| 00:00:02 | Mallory | Yeah, the painter is real nice |
| 00:00:17 | Mallory | The text editor beats the crap out of the stock one and the "file browser" thing is slick too |
| 00:00:22 | kendrick2 | altered - i only want mahjongg and MAYBE painter |
| 00:00:23 | Hellaenergy | what kind of files does the painter create? |
| 00:00:34 | sean | PNGs |
| 00:00:38 | kendrick2 | i dont like the painter too much, honestly :^( |
| 00:00:40 | sean | i beleive |
| 00:00:43 | altered | kendrick2: you don't want tkcKapital? |
| 00:00:48 | kendrick2 | not enuf tools... needs lines, circles, etc. |
| 00:00:49 | Jag | Hey, I've gotten some bad feedback about G3 in here in the past, but never a reason why. Anyone know why? |
| 00:01:04 | kendrick2 | altered - dunno. does it talk to gnucash!? |
| 00:01:14 | altered | kendrick2: do you use gnucash? |
| 00:01:35 | kendrick2 | well... i would :) |
| 00:01:36 | altered | kendrick2: it talks to Kapital 1.0 (when it's available :) |
| 00:01:40 | kendrick2 | blah |
| 00:01:41 | Jag | sean: Will painter open up arbitary sized PNG's you load on the system... like say network maps? |
| 00:01:42 | kendrick2 | fooey |
| 00:01:57 | kendrick2 | sharp's/trolltech's image viewer needs zoom-and-pan |
| 00:01:58 | kendrick2 | goddamnit! |
| 00:02:14 | sean | jag, dunno. i don't have it. i just read the info @ the web site a little while ago. |
| 00:02:20 | Jag | Ahh |
| 00:02:26 | Jag | I'll beg treke to try it out |
| 00:02:32 | altered | kendrick2: well, if you want a free money manager, there is always Stash, and if I get around to using GNUcash, I'll make it sync with it... |
| 00:02:40 | sean | but i'd like to know the answer too |
| 00:03:02 | kendrick2 | altered - that's right. i looked at stash once :) |
| 00:03:08 | Hellaenergy | Stash syncs with GNUCash? |
| 00:03:15 | Hellaenergy | Sweet! |
| 00:03:23 | kendrick2 | i of course dont have a working cradle :^( |
| 00:03:28 | kendrick2 | and never set up qtopia desktop |
| 00:03:56 | Hellaenergy | altered: Get around to it please! |
| 00:04:11 | altered | Hellaenergy: just starting to get some free time... |
| 00:04:24 | Hellaenergy | Go have some fun then :) |
| 00:04:25 | altered | Hellaenergy: and there is a *lot* to do for Stash :) |
| 00:04:47 | Hellaenergy | You should release the source? |
| 00:05:05 | altered | Hellaenergy: http://www.sf.net/projects/stash |
| 00:05:09 | altered | already done! |
| 00:05:09 | Hellaenergy | Open Source Baby ;) |
| 00:05:21 | kendrick2 | so why is painter so good. compared to, say, scrap paper? |
| 00:06:33 | kendrick2 | tkcpainter is weak :( |
| 00:06:45 | kendrick2 | only advantage is more colors, 'multiple pictures per document', and fill |
| 00:07:13 | kendrick2 | a true app needs zoom (for pixel editing), arbitrarily-sized images (eg, say i want to make a new 32x32 icon... i dont want to have to do it on some 640x480 canvas) |
| 00:07:36 | kendrick2 | grid-snapping, and more tools (line, oval, rectangle) and maybe some effects |
| 00:08:02 | kendrick2 | argh.. :) i wish i knew qt |
| 00:08:11 | tux_mike | hrm.. they should have java syntax highliting for the tkcEditor |
| 00:08:22 | kendrick2 | decides there's only one tkc app worth buying right now |
| 00:08:23 | tux_mike | granted you can make a java app and compile it on the z |
| 00:08:31 | altered | tux_mike: don't they have Java highlighting? |
| 00:08:39 | tux_mike | it doesn't say so. |
| 00:08:47 | altered | let me see.. |
| 00:09:17 | tux_mike | i could prolly use the C++ syntax and it work 90% |
| 00:10:00 | kendrick2 | so do these apps get emailed, or downloaded, or what? |
| 00:10:01 | file | what about the other 10%? |
| 00:10:02 | altered | tux_mike: true... no Java... hmm... I think it's an oversight. |
| 00:10:06 | kendrick2 | is at work.. cant talk to zaurus til he gets home |
| 00:10:09 | treke | downloaded |
| 00:10:20 | file | kendrick2: phone? |
| 00:10:25 | tux_mike | altered: yah, but java is so close to C++ i don't think it'll matter too much. |
| 00:10:31 | kendrick2 | file - huh? |
| 00:10:35 | tux_mike | file: no syntax for 10%! |
| 00:10:37 | Fastolfe | hmm, this morse thing is tougher than I thought |
| 00:10:39 | file | nothing |
| 00:11:01 | file | steals the 10% |
| 00:11:35 | kendrick2 | so i guess i can download here, scp to isp, scp from isp when i get home, and then xfer to z |
| 00:11:44 | kendrick2 | damn... total of about 1MB! |
| 00:11:49 | Jag | altered: You should put stash on freshmeat |
| 00:11:54 | file | lol |
| 00:11:58 | kendrick2 | every project should be on freshmeat! |
| 00:12:05 | kendrick2 | they should set up a linux-pda category! |
| 00:12:31 | treke | someone needs a decent set of links to qpe apps |
| 00:12:40 | kendrick2 | this had better install on the SD card! |
| 00:12:47 | kendrick2 | i only have 900k free in ram! |
| 00:14:36 | file | Initializing Trillian... come on baby - work on ICQ properly |
| 00:14:37 | kendrick2 | yeah.. agenda had the agenda software repository (which just got moved/converted to perl) |
| 00:14:52 | file | kendrick2: how much does an Agenda go for these days? |
| 00:15:10 | kendrick2 | uh, like $90 :) |
| 00:15:11 | kendrick2 | sad :( |
| 00:15:18 | file | sighs |
| 00:15:20 | kendrick2 | speaking of sad.. just got an email from loki |
| 00:15:21 | file | not as bad as the Helio |
| 00:15:27 | file | going for like $50 |
| 00:15:35 | kendrick2 | what're the specs? |
| 00:15:40 | kendrick2 | the agenda is on 'clearance' tho. :( |
| 00:15:56 | file | Helio is 75MHz, 2MB flash, 8MB ram |
| 00:16:02 | file | the Helio isn't produced anymore |
| 00:16:14 | kendrick2 | bizarre |
| 00:16:18 | kendrick2 | fast, but crap ram |
| 00:16:30 | treke | man, the interface on the thekompany apps could use some work |
| 00:16:43 | kendrick2 | how so? |
| 00:16:57 | kendrick2 | was always confused by the mouse icon... it should be a wrench, damnit :) |
| 00:17:03 | kendrick2 | like in opera |
| 00:17:06 | treke | I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure out how they work |
| 00:17:15 | tux_mike | mouse icon? |
| 00:17:18 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 00:17:20 | kendrick2 | i think it's a mouse |
| 00:17:26 | tux_mike | what is it to? |
| 00:17:29 | treke | as far as I can tell the file manager cant add files to the Documents list |
| 00:17:30 | kendrick2 | of course, i always thought the tkc icon was a very pissed looking face |
| 00:17:42 | kendrick2 | mouse icon seems to do options |
| 00:17:43 | tux_mike | lol :) |
| 00:17:54 | kendrick2 | this is from what i remember of tkcEditor and Painter, when i had it at the symposium |
| 00:18:20 | tux_mike | tkcEditor looks awesome. |
| 00:18:29 | treke | trying kapital was a click the button and see where it goes proposition |
| 00:18:35 | kendrick2 | bigboss! |
| 00:18:39 | kendrick2 | i just bought something from you :) |
| 00:18:43 | treke | other than that sort of thing they arent bad |
| 00:18:43 | | | Is there any syncing software out in development for the Agenda vis a vis |
| 00:18:44 | | | Lotus Notes R5? Failing that, is there any being developed for the Zaurus |
| 00:18:44 | | | (for which I've developed rather a hankering)? |
| 00:18:44 | tux_mike | i wonder what ever happened to athera. |
| 00:18:55 | BigBoss | but now did you know I was coming so quickly? |
| 00:19:03 | BigBoss | thanks for you're order :) |
| 00:19:05 | altered | anyone named Adam Black here? |
| 00:19:23 | kendrick2 | got some random email from "C Crane Co" in Fortuna, CA |
| 00:19:39 | tux_mike | BigBoss: i think you left out java in tkcEditor |
| 00:19:56 | kendrick2 | doesnt remember ordering something, but that could be me :) |
| 00:20:30 | kendrick2 | oh shit - i remmeber now! wireless doorbell! |
| 00:20:35 | altered | uhoh... what happened to contest.trolltech.com? |
| 00:20:40 | altered | it isn't responding to me... |
| 00:20:43 | tux_mike | ka boom? |
| 00:20:55 | kendrick2 | kaboom!? mad bomber! im gonna port to zaurus!? |
| 00:20:57 | kendrick2 | where's overcode... |
| 00:21:46 | tux_mike | it's kinda hard due to the format |
| 00:22:33 | tux_mike | kendrick2: we need some hardware to make the Z usable in a horzontal format for games |
| 00:22:38 | treke | altered : I got through |
| 00:22:38 | altered | is anyone else having a hard time connecting to: http://contest.trolltech.com/members ? |
| 00:22:49 | kendrick2 | tux_mike - yeah :^/ |
| 00:23:19 | tux_mike | altered: timeout on server |
| 00:23:49 | altered | tux_mike: ARGHH!!!! I just want to get the latest SDK and submit my contest application... |
| 00:24:00 | tux_mike | doh |
| 00:24:03 | treke | BigBoss : So far the apps look really nice. some documentation would have been nice though |
| 00:25:10 | tux_mike | hrmm.... how should I go about with rand() to make the number between 1 and i? |
| 00:25:25 | kendrick2 | (rand() % i) + 1 |
| 00:25:38 | kendrick2 | so if i is 10, it'll be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 or 10 |
| 00:25:47 | tux_mike | ok |
| 00:25:53 | BigBoss | tux_mike: you think people want Java in that? I guess with the Java support it would be a good idea |
| 00:26:08 | tux_mike | BigBoss: yah, granted you can make java apps on the Z :) |
| 00:26:15 | tux_mike | i'd use the hell outta it :) |
| 00:26:17 | kendrick2 | isn't there a java compiler FOR the Z? |
| 00:26:21 | tux_mike | 2 of them |
| 00:26:33 | kendrick2 | well there ya go! bigboss, get on it! :) |
| 00:26:36 | BigBoss | i'll check with the boys |
| 00:26:39 | kendrick2 | (not that i personally care about java :) ) |
| 00:26:55 | kendrick2 | discovered he's in the tkcjabber screenshots :) |
| 00:27:25 | tux_mike | BigBoss: and offer that qstyle! i'd buy it! :) |
| 00:27:40 | kendrick2 | 'qstyle'? |
| 00:27:49 | tux_mike | widget style |
| 00:27:53 | tux_mike | in qte |
| 00:27:57 | tux_mike | qt |
| 00:28:02 | kendrick2 | what does it do? |
| 00:28:11 | tux_mike | it looks like the XP buttons |
| 00:28:17 | tux_mike | it looks really good on the Z |
| 00:28:24 | kendrick2 | ughds |
| 00:28:26 | tux_mike | at least in the shots it does |
| 00:30:00 | kendrick2 | notices his /. article hasn't been REJECTED yet :) |
| 00:30:12 | file | wow |
| 00:30:16 | file | such an accomplishment |
| 00:30:19 | tux_mike | lol :) |
| 00:30:21 | kendrick2 | hehehehe |
| 00:30:41 | tux_mike | kendrick2: at least it hasn't been rejected... YET! |
| 00:30:47 | kendrick2 | well exactly :) |
| 00:31:18 | tux_mike | well you said REJECTED yet.... i think the yet should be emphasized :) |
| 00:31:24 | BigBoss | kendrik: we made you famous |
| 00:31:36 | BigBoss | apparently Max gave kergoth our Qstyle for OZ |
| 00:31:46 | kendrick2 | bigboss - hehe |
| 00:32:00 | tux_mike | woo! :) |
| 00:32:15 | kendrick2 | anyone working on some kind of 'home page' app? |
| 00:32:24 | BigBoss | cool - our press release just hit linuxtoday |
| 00:32:46 | kendrick2 | like, i guess, pocketPieceaCrap has some kind of "here's today's appointments, etc" screen |
| 00:32:56 | kendrick2 | bigboss - url? |
| 00:33:17 | kendrick2 | ah - linuxdevices.com :) |
| 00:33:57 | BigBoss | http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-05-001-20-PR |
| 00:34:36 | BigBoss | now everyone that bought something should go and post about how great it is :) |
| 00:34:40 | kendrick2 | .. bringing conversation with tux_mike back into channel... |
| 00:34:53 | kendrick2 | i think a simple app which can read the XML data from the existing pims would be nifty |
| 00:35:23 | tux_mike | i will have import functions directly in the apps... it's just a matter of time... i'm just getting my footing with QT |
| 00:35:43 | kendrick2 | tell me about it :) /me too |
| 00:35:45 | tux_mike | so, help is very appreciated :) |
| 00:36:02 | kendrick2 | just wants sdl :) |
| 00:36:25 | tux_mike | i was gonna do that... but granted i don't know enough of qt, it'd be hard for me now |
| 00:36:53 | tux_mike | i have ported SDL for X... wasn't hard. |
| 00:37:37 | kendrick2 | bigboss! |
| 00:37:39 | kendrick2 | crap |
| 00:37:43 | kendrick2 | damna damn damn |
| 00:40:12 | kendrick2 | overcode (john hall) has been working on SDL for iPAQ/Zaurus on Framebuffer |
| 00:40:32 | treke | kendrick2 : He might have done a release already |
| 00:41:53 | kendrick2 | he's been busy working, i think :) |
| 00:42:15 | tux_mike | i got SDL working for the framebuffer... but it bitched about not having a mouse |
| 00:42:18 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: qtopia is pretty nice for programming though. :P |
| 00:42:29 | tux_mike | i yelled back, but it didn't wanna work |
| 00:42:36 | kendrick2 | bleah. i'm used to event-driven, not this socket pocket junk :) |
| 00:45:42 | tux_mike | hrm.. is there a way to truncate a qstring at a specific char? |
| 00:47:23 | altered | kendrick2: umm... this "socket pocket" junk *is* event driven... but it's cleanly implemented... |
| 00:47:31 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 00:47:37 | kendrick2 | yeah. i just need to wrap my head around it. |
| 00:47:39 | altered | (apart from having all of the moc files laying around) :) |
| 00:47:47 | kendrick2 | honestly, i think i have most of what i need to start writing/porting some games |
| 00:47:56 | kendrick2 | tho mad bomber is ALREADY ready for sdl :) |
| 00:48:00 | kendrick2 | tee-hee |
| 00:48:11 | fiferboy | tux_mike: there is a truncate for qstring, but I forget haow to use it. |
| 00:48:27 | fiferboy | I think it is strName.truncate(x) |
| 00:48:47 | kendrick2 | what's bigboss's addr? |
| 00:48:49 | Neo|Work | the main issue I can see is that it's C++ as opposed to C |
| 00:48:58 | Neo|Work | when it comes to converting/porting that is |
| 00:49:13 | mtm | tux_mike: QString::remove |
| 00:49:17 | kendrick2 | needs a big canvas, img loading, sound playing, and keyboard/stylus input |
| 00:49:23 | kendrick2 | that's about it :) and C preferably :) |
| 00:49:58 | kendrick2 | hey - it'd rule if the media player could play MP3s off of a stream |
| 00:50:04 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: all of that is easy except that sound never worked (ok) for me in the x86 dev environment for some reason (although I ithink my computer is the issue since play/playwave doesn't work either) |
| 00:50:15 | kendrick2 | or perhaps if one could, maybe, NFS mount a desktop's HD to get to MP3s over a network |
| 00:50:21 | treke | itd also rule if media player could play divx video or even sound decently |
| 00:50:29 | kendrick2 | sound works fine |
| 00:50:38 | kendrick2 | listens to mp3s in the car all the time... tho, i dont really HAVE many mp3s :) |
| 00:50:57 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: I'm talking about the desktop environment not on the device itself, since I don't have one |
| 00:51:01 | nasa | Is the framrate for mpg going to improve? |
| 00:51:03 | Neo|Work | I'm sure it'd work if I had it |
| 00:51:52 | kendrick2 | noe - i was responding to treke :) |
| 00:51:56 | kendrick2 | s/noe/neo/ |
| 00:52:02 | mtm | tux_mike: remove(startPos, stringLength - startPos) will remove all the chars from startPos to the end of the string (i.e. truncate it) |
| 00:52:19 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: ah |
| 00:52:41 | treke | kendrick2 : perhaps it was the files themselves then |
| 00:52:41 | fiferboy | you can also do strName.truncate(int) that works on QStrings as well. |
| 00:53:25 | mtm | tux_mike: ooops, just saw that truncate() -- didn't know that was there. That'll probably be cleaner :) |
| 00:58:29 | sakha123 | sakha is now gonna attempt to write a jabber client for the Z |
| 00:58:47 | kendrick2 | bigboss! |
| 00:58:50 | kendrick2 | check your email! :) :) |
| 00:58:51 | kendrick2 | damnit... |
| 00:59:02 | BigBoss | ok |
| 00:59:04 | BigBoss | I had to step out |
| 00:59:20 | BigBoss | it appears to be hung, must kill and restart |
| 01:01:19 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 01:01:32 | BigBoss | ok, I read it |
| 01:02:11 | kendrick2 | we need this for z :) http://happypenguin.org/images/shot_2002-01-23_05.53.59.png |
| 01:04:40 | ljp | hey, anyone tried jumpx? |
| 01:05:12 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: hehe. :-P |
| 01:07:23 | ljp | BB: nice work on the editor.. |
| 01:09:19 | kendrick2 | neo - you're game is not on happypenguin.org, is it? |
| 01:09:34 | Neo|Work | nope |
| 01:09:37 | Neo|Work | not done yet |
| 01:09:44 | kendrick2 | so!? :) |
| 01:09:45 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 01:09:51 | kendrick2 | neither are any of my games! hehehe |
| 01:10:06 | Neo|Work | ...and it's not going to be open source either... |
| 01:10:12 | kendrick2 | so? |
| 01:10:12 | Neo|Work | (don't hit me. ;-) |
| 01:10:16 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 01:10:22 | kendrick2 | not everything on gametome is open source, obviously. |
| 01:10:35 | kendrick2 | fuck - i was gonna go home :) |
| 01:10:37 | Neo|Work | I'll list it whenever there's anything to list |
| 01:10:59 | kendrick2 | okeydoke :) |
| 01:11:52 | kendrick2 | ok - i'm off! byebye! |
| 01:15:24 | altered | Neo|Work: what are you working on? |
| 01:16:01 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/screenshots.html |
| 01:16:53 | ljp | Neo: you have a chess app? |
| 01:17:20 | altered | by Eon Games? |
| 01:17:22 | Neo|Work | http://david.hedbor.org/tmp/snapshot05.png |
| 01:17:27 | tux_mike | mtm: yah, i saw the truncate... i'd like something that accepts a char, but oh well. |
| 01:17:48 | ljp | tux: what are you looking for- to do? |
| 01:17:48 | Neo|Work | ljp: nah, ball elimination app. Like "Lines" but with a bunch of different game modes |
| 01:18:04 | altered | Neo|Work: looks pretty. |
| 01:18:14 | Neo|Work | altered: Eon Games == name of the "company" I might start for doing space time gamedev |
| 01:18:30 | Neo|Work | altered: got a good gfx guy. :P |
| 01:18:37 | finkployd | anyone hear anything new about the upcoming Sharp ROM? |
| 01:18:39 | altered | Neo|Work: ah.. well, Eon Games is already taken :) |
| 01:18:45 | finkployd | Is it still on for tonight or tomorrow? |
| 01:19:08 | Neo|Work | finkployd: last I heard, yes |
| 01:19:18 | tux_mike | ljp: i think i know what i have to do |
| 01:19:28 | Neo|Work | altered: I didn't find anything "live" in the computer game business with that name |
| 01:19:33 | finkployd | impatiently hits refresh over and over |
| 01:19:35 | finkployd | :) |
| 01:19:42 | Neo|Work | saw some defunct board game company tho |
| 01:19:43 | altered | Neo|Work: ah.. yes, it's true.. Eon is dead... I forgot :) |
| 01:21:35 | mtm | tux_mike: accepts any old char? how would it handle multiple of that char in a string? |
| 01:22:02 | mtm | tux_mike: don't you kind of need to tell it exactly what char you want (i.e. the position)? |
| 01:26:25 | Jag | Anyone know if the Zaurus will support 3G CF cards? |
| 01:26:38 | finkployd | I will be happy if the only improvement in this new rom is a working battery meter :) |
| 01:27:10 | AelfAFK | microdives a little cheaper then usual: http://www.apricorn.com/promotions/mdrivecloseout.html |
| 01:27:27 | sean | new rom? |
| 01:27:59 | finkployd | sean: Sharp is releasing a new rom tonight or tomorrow according to Jason and Mitchy |
| 01:28:28 | scanline | is back (gone 00:27:09) |
| 01:28:30 | finkployd | Similar to the one given to people at Linuxworld (which I think was 1/08) |
| 01:29:00 | sean | zapped his linuxworld rom |
| 01:29:07 | finkployd | did too |
| 01:29:12 | finkployd | sucks huh? :) |
| 01:29:23 | Hellaenergy | It's like 11:00 in Japan right now |
| 01:29:30 | Hellaenergy | PM |
| 01:29:34 | sean | heh 1.02 seems newer to me.. but i'm using OZ right now anyways. |
| 01:29:50 | AelfAFK | I didn't get a rom at lwe o( |
| 01:30:23 | finkployd | They were updating people's roms on Friday |
| 01:30:33 | finkployd | Maybe even Thursday, but I didn't see it then |
| 01:30:38 | sean | .. oh. i didn't know that. |
| 01:31:07 | sean | i just bought mine, walked over to the bean bag chair, checked to make sure all was good, and that was that. |
| 01:31:11 | finkployd | I think they only did it for about 20 people |
| 01:31:15 | sean | ahh |
| 01:31:38 | AelfAFK | ah I got my wed |
| 01:31:43 | finkployd | It had the Hancom office stuff |
| 01:31:51 | sean | ooh nice |
| 01:32:06 | finkployd | I imagine tonight's/tomorrow's will also |
| 01:32:08 | qwertz | hi..cool this channel really exists..discovered ti from this screenshot:) http://www.thekompany.com/embedded/tkcjabber/_img/screenshots/irc_list.png |
| 01:32:15 | finkployd | Although I didn't hear anyone verify that |
| 01:32:20 | sean | hehe qwertz |
| 01:32:26 | zero1 | looking for kergoth - around anywhere? |
| 01:32:34 | peanut | finkployd: verify what? |
| 01:32:46 | ljp | kergoth was here earlier |
| 01:32:53 | zero1 | ok, thx |
| 01:33:04 | finkployd | peanut: That the new rom will/will not have the Hancom office apps |
| 01:33:38 | finkployd | I'm assuming it does since they feel the need to put out two roms with different allocations of RAM |
| 01:33:45 | peanut | is that still up in the air.. |
| 01:34:13 | finkployd | I don't know, I never heard anything one way or the other |
| 01:38:45 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 01:38:51 | peanut | are you here jason? |
| 01:39:25 | Jag | Guess I'll give this one more try tonight. Anyone know if the Zaurus will support 3G CF cards? |
| 01:45:48 | BZFlag | Jag: if they are just serial cards from the OS view, then yes. ;-) |
| 01:46:08 | Jag | Dunno... |
| 01:46:22 | Jag | I would assume they appear to be some kind of network interface |
| 01:46:24 | BZFlag | may need some ppp hacking to get the right AT+... commands sent, but that's easy. |
| 01:46:48 | BZFlag | gprs cards show up as a serial modem. I assume 3g cards will to. |
| 01:47:07 | BZFlag | ppp then makes the network address. |
| 01:53:56 | tux_mike | do the regular string functions work on a qstring |
| 01:58:17 | peanut | whats up with the rom release? |
| 01:58:22 | peanut | whats the latest rumor? |
| 01:59:00 | finkployd | Last I heard they dumped Linux in favor of WinCE |
| 01:59:02 | finkployd | :) |
| 01:59:07 | peanut | hehehe |
| 01:59:35 | peanut | you mean pocketpc 2002 |
| 01:59:39 | peanut | isn't that why they call it now? |
| 01:59:44 | finkployd | Whatever they call it this week |
| 01:59:44 | peanut | s/why/what/ |
| 02:00:11 | Neo|Work | Actually, I think PocketPC is the hardware platform with the OS still being named Windows CE |
| 02:00:27 | Neo|Work | or so I've read |
| 02:00:30 | roge99 | slaps finkployd for even thinking that |
| 02:01:23 | tux_mike | Neo|Work: no, pocketpc is the PDA specific distribution of Windows CE |
| 02:01:38 | Night_Vis | that sound more like it |
| 02:01:40 | tux_mike | they fucked the name up for the public, so they had to change it |
| 02:01:57 | Night_Vis | the Z could be a good PPC |
| 02:02:13 | Neo|Work | Night_Vis: don't swear. ;-) |
| 02:02:20 | Night_Vis | hehe |
| 02:02:23 | Night_Vis | :P |
| 02:02:24 | finkployd | http://www.thejokeline.com/funny/cement/?s=t&m=m |
| 02:02:48 | Night_Vis | that was funny when I first saw it |
| 02:02:52 | Night_Vis | it had me thinking |
| 02:03:22 | tux_mike | Night_Vis: but it will never be one |
| 02:03:45 | Night_Vis | I know and it's a good thing |
| 02:04:13 | Night_Vis | as of now linux is the best thing that happed to a PDA |
| 02:05:10 | tux_mike | i've got another question :) i have a string like this something:something. granted i know where the colon is, what's the best way to get the second something out of it and put it into another string? |
| 02:05:26 | peanut | using what programming language? |
| 02:05:49 | BZFlag | meetings, meetings, meetings. /me finally starts some work today and it's only 7 pm |
| 02:05:55 | tux_mike | c++ and QT |
| 02:05:59 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: heh |
| 02:06:06 | Neo|Work | tux_mike: so QString then? |
| 02:06:46 | tux_mike | yah |
| 02:07:04 | tux_mike | but that can be a char by doing (char *)stringname, right? |
| 02:07:04 | Neo|Work | file:///opt/Qtopia/doc/html/qstring.html then |
| 02:07:35 | tux_mike | i've been looking at that, but i dont see a good way get the second half out... |
| 02:07:41 | altered | stringname.latin1() would be more explicit. |
| 02:08:02 | Neo|Work | newstring = oldstring.right(colorlocation); ? |
| 02:08:16 | Neo|Work | oh, sorry. |
| 02:08:21 | Neo|Work | read it wrong. |
| 02:08:48 | Neo|Work | newstring = oldstring.right(string.length()-colon_location) should work |
| 02:09:22 | Neo|Work | or newstring = oldstring.mid(colon_location+1) or so |
| 02:09:23 | altered | how about using QRegExp? |
| 02:09:30 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 02:10:05 | woot | hello everyone |
| 02:10:05 | Neo|Work | altered: overkill if the position is known already and for a simple : you can always search for it using find or findRev |
| 02:10:29 | altered | Neo|Work: yes, but it looks cleaner in code to just have one RegExp line. |
| 02:11:06 | Neo|Work | altered: perl sickness! |
| 02:11:28 | Neo|Work | it's significantly more expensive to use regexps (well, it's more expensive, to a degree) and completely unnecessary |
| 02:11:37 | altered | Neo|Work: yes, though, it's been a long long time since I used RegEx's |
| 02:12:15 | Neo|Work | string postfix = str.mid(str.find(":")+1); |
| 02:12:24 | tux_mike | i just saw that :) |
| 02:12:27 | Neo|Work | but of course the above returns the entire string if : isn't found |
| 02:12:54 | Neo|Work | Qt has nicely designed datatypes I must say |
| 02:13:06 | tux_mike | Neo|Work: don't care about that |
| 02:13:16 | Neo|Work | although I do miss functionality to replace all occurances of a string with another string |
| 02:13:48 | Neo|Work | i.e new = old.replace("from", "to") => "from a from cat" to "to a to cat" |
| 02:14:08 | Neo|Work | ...then again, QT is open source... ;-) |
| 02:16:59 | Triskelios | Neo|Work: you can always add a replace() function.. |
| 02:17:23 | Neo|Work | Triskelios: that's what i was thinking. Perhaps I should write one and send a patch to them |
| 02:19:06 | ljp | what's wrong with QString::replace(const QRegExp &rx, const QString &str) ? |
| 02:19:52 | Neo|Work | I didn't get it to work first of all, plus it's less easy to use |
| 02:19:56 | Triskelios | ah. oops |
| 02:20:29 | Triskelios | it should just be a normal regexp match? |
| 02:20:42 | woot | hey guys, I am having trouble making (via make) the example app in the Qtopia SDK |
| 02:20:50 | Neo|Work | I tried to replace \\n with \n (ie replace quoted \n to literal \n) |
| 02:21:10 | woot | im getting undefined references to something@@GLIBC_2.2 |
| 02:21:37 | Neo|Work | ended up writing a small function that does it for me |
| 02:21:45 | woot | with /opt/Qtopia/sharp/lib/libqte.so |
| 02:21:45 | CosmicPenguin | is away: Finally got the kernel booted - heading home |
| 02:21:46 | Neo|Work | woot: you need glibc 2.2.. |
| 02:21:54 | woot | i have the tar.gz file |
| 02:21:58 | woot | and i extracted it |
| 02:22:01 | woot | but where should I put it |
| 02:22:13 | woot | i have glibc2.2.2 |
| 02:22:35 | Neo|Work | strange then. I have 2.2.4 (mandrake cooker) and no problem |
| 02:22:49 | woot | glibc-arm-2.2.2-0.tar.gz to be exact |
| 02:22:52 | Mallory | Are you SURE you have glibc 2.2 installed? |
| 02:22:59 | woot | as far as installed, dunno |
| 02:23:02 | Neo|Work | woot: you compiling for ARM or for x86? |
| 02:23:09 | woot | ARM |
| 02:23:14 | woot | (the zaurus) |
| 02:23:43 | Neo|Work | sure you're using the correct environment? |
| 02:23:46 | Neo|Work | what is QPEDIR etc? |
| 02:23:59 | woot | lesse..... |
| 02:24:07 | woot | damn |
| 02:24:16 | woot | it is /opt/Qtopia/sharp |
| 02:24:22 | Neo|Work | well, that's correct |
| 02:24:24 | woot | QTDIR is the same |
| 02:24:25 | Neo|Work | did you rerun tmake? |
| 02:24:31 | woot | yes |
| 02:24:32 | woot | that worked |
| 02:24:32 | Neo|Work | to get the correct makefile etc. |
| 02:24:42 | Neo|Work | shrugs. |
| 02:24:47 | woot | tmake -o Makefile example.pro |
| 02:24:54 | woot | but make is what is doing it |
| 02:25:03 | woot | i mean, i dunno if I really have glibc installed |
| 02:25:11 | woot | or if it is the right glibc |
| 02:25:25 | woot | i dled the glibc arm tgz, |
| 02:25:31 | woot | but do i need the non-arm one as well? |
| 02:25:34 | Triskelios | you probably do have it installed, or nothing would run |
| 02:25:38 | Neo|Work | I just installed the trolltech dev rpms |
| 02:25:52 | woot | yeah, i should have dled the RPMS |
| 02:26:05 | woot | but i decided to be adventerous and dled the tars instead |
| 02:26:18 | Triskelios | woot: uh, contents are identical |
| 02:26:26 | woot | i guess ill just download the rpms tonight and try again tomorrow |
| 02:26:26 | Triskelios | rpms suck |
| 02:26:38 | woot | im not a big rpm fan |
| 02:26:39 | Triskelios | woot: anyway... run /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:26:53 | Neo|Work | Triskelios: it's the cross-compile environment though |
| 02:27:02 | Neo|Work | woot: which compiler binary does it run? |
| 02:27:20 | woot | umm |
| 02:27:25 | woot | linux-sharp-g++ |
| 02:27:28 | Neo|Work | ok |
| 02:27:29 | woot | is that right? |
| 02:27:37 | Neo|Work | sorry to say I have no clue why it wouldn't work. :P |
| 02:27:40 | woot | hehe |
| 02:27:50 | Neo|Work | hmm, what fails btw? linking or compiling? |
| 02:27:55 | kendrick2 | bigboss? |
| 02:28:00 | woot | making |
| 02:28:03 | kendrick2 | crap >:^( |
| 02:28:26 | ljp | whzzup kendrick? |
| 02:28:30 | Neo|Work | do: ldd /usr/local/arm/bin/arm-linux-g++ |
| 02:28:36 | woot | k |
| 02:28:51 | kendrick2 | i cant install this tkc stuff on my SD card! |
| 02:28:52 | woot | aight |
| 02:28:55 | kendrick2 | "ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry." |
| 02:28:58 | kendrick2 | sonofabitch |
| 02:29:03 | Neo|Work | and then: /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:29:10 | Neo|Work | and check your computers libc |
| 02:29:18 | Neo|Work | "GNU C Library stable release version 2.2.4, by Roland McGrath et al. |
| 02:29:18 | Neo|Work | " etc |
| 02:29:42 | woot | how am i supposed to know that? |
| 02:30:03 | ljp | kendrick: I got that error also.. I installed it manually. |
| 02:30:09 | kendrick2 | "manually"? |
| 02:30:09 | Neo|Work | /lib/libc.so.6 is executable. run it |
| 02:30:15 | woot | ok |
| 02:30:27 | kendrick2 | like, from the commandline? |
| 02:30:30 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: ipkg's are tar files |
| 02:30:36 | kendrick2 | oh screw that :^( |
| 02:30:36 | ljp | mv bla.ipk bla.tar.gz and ftp the files in :) |
| 02:30:49 | woot | i have 2.2.2 |
| 02:30:51 | woot | stabl |
| 02:30:54 | woot | *stable |
| 02:31:00 | kendrick2 | i wish add/remove app would show me WHERE things are installed |
| 02:31:07 | Neo|Work | woot: hmm. sorry, no clue then :-( |
| 02:31:10 | kendrick2 | (as well as where packages are, and more details about them) |
| 02:31:13 | woot | hehe |
| 02:31:15 | woot | thx anyway |
| 02:31:21 | woot | maybe should I get 2.2.4? |
| 02:31:26 | ljp | kendrick: I agree |
| 02:31:37 | Triskelios | woot: 2.2.5 |
| 02:31:48 | kendrick2 | SHIT! i cant install onto RAM either! |
| 02:31:56 | woot | ok |
| 02:31:59 | woot | ill dl that |
| 02:31:59 | Neo|Work | woot: shouldn't be needed, but I guess you can try. or you can rebuild the arm toolkit. :P |
| 02:32:11 | woot | and try again tomorrow i guess |
| 02:33:00 | woot | thx for all of yall's help |
| 02:33:23 | kendrick2 | ok - needed to yank a few other packages out (strace, zlines, fifteen) to make room |
| 02:33:24 | kendrick2 | blargh |
| 02:33:41 | kendrick2 | and it looks like the thekompany package didnt install right, either |
| 02:33:52 | kendrick2 | i have an iconless/nameless tab in my launcher, with an iconless 'mahjongg' app |
| 02:34:18 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: might need some more development eh? :P |
| 02:34:29 | kendrick2 | totally :) |
| 02:34:35 | kendrick2 | i also blame the add/remove app and ipkg |
| 02:34:37 | ljp | you have enough room? I didn't have room on cf when I ftp'd the ipk there, and it got truncated |
| 02:34:41 | kendrick2 | it's weak that it can't tell IF there's enough room |
| 02:34:44 | woot | nonetheless im still excited about developing for the zaurus |
| 02:34:55 | woot | it all seems pretty damn cool |
| 02:34:57 | kendrick2 | i didnt ftp to cf (i can't :) my ethernet is a cf card) |
| 02:35:13 | kendrick2 | i copied it using a cardreader (mount /cf/ ; cp qpe*.ipk /cf/ ; umount cf) |
| 02:35:15 | woot | i just havent done c++ in a while, been doin java instead |
| 02:35:26 | kendrick2 | and cf card isn't full (still has 488k) |
| 02:35:40 | kendrick2 | uninstalls these two and tries again |
| 02:35:50 | ljp | I ran into the same prob, though. |
| 02:36:33 | kendrick2 | blarh - qtopia isn't restarting >:^( |
| 02:36:36 | woot | one more question, can a 256 mb CF card hold 256 thousand kilobytes, or 256 megabytes (does it compensate for the 1024 thingy)? |
| 02:36:51 | kendrick2 | it'd be MB, not mb ;) |
| 02:37:05 | kendrick2 | one is MegaBytes, the other is, what, millibits? :) |
| 02:37:06 | woot | oh come, i was lazy |
| 02:37:16 | kendrick2 | sorry ;) ;) |
| 02:37:23 | woot | (i mean, oh come on) |
| 02:37:27 | woot | forgot the damn "on" |
| 02:37:33 | woot | but, anyway |
| 02:37:54 | scanline | is away: ZzZzZzZzzzzzz |
| 02:38:05 | woot | i have 240 something megabytes (160 something kilobytes) of data that I want to put on my CF, but will it fit? |
| 02:38:21 | woot | i meant 260, not 160 |
| 02:40:45 | whardier | wheres my baby? |
| 02:40:46 | kendrick2 | ok - this sucks |
| 02:40:46 | kendrick2 | bye! |
| 02:52:39 | zero1 | kergoth been here latley? |
| 02:53:17 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 3 hours, 16 minutes and 59 seconds ago, saying: hah [Mon Feb 4 23:36:18 2002] |
| 02:53:18 | roge99 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 02:53:31 | zero1 | that's cool |
| 02:53:43 | whardier | I am :) |
| 02:53:43 | zero1 | i'm not new to anything but irc |
| 02:53:55 | zero1 | i need a take a crash course |
| 02:54:18 | zero1 | i'll be baq, thx |
| 02:54:19 | roge99 | run your client on windows and it wil crash |
| 02:54:32 | zero1 | you talking to me |
| 02:54:33 | zero1 | ? |
| 02:54:40 | roge99 | :-) |
| 02:54:48 | zero1 | i only run linux :) |
| 02:55:03 | roge99 | that would be a good thing |
| 02:55:28 | zero1 | i got a special power strip for my windows box so i can reboot it remotely ;) |
| 02:55:31 | zero1 | see ya |
| 03:00:17 | | no idea, ljp |
| 03:00:17 | ljp | ibot: why does windows suck? |
| 03:00:42 | ljp | BB: kendrick has been lookin frantically for you |
| 03:01:37 | BigBoss | yea, he didn't install the software right :) |
| 03:02:14 | ljp | ya... well.. I can't say much about that.. :) |
| 03:03:15 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: user error you say? :-P |
| 03:03:29 | whardier | stand back I say |
| 03:03:51 | BigBoss | well we are finding it is a common error, so we need to explain it a bit more I think |
| 03:05:06 | roge99 | hey JasonNJ |
| 03:05:26 | JasonNJ_sleep | just spoke to mitchy, images are going up within the next 6 hours |
| 03:05:34 | JasonNJ_sleep | maybe even now |
| 03:05:41 | JasonNJ_sleep | last talked to him about 4 hours a go |
| 03:05:43 | tux_mike | wheee! |
| 03:05:45 | peanut | what??? |
| 03:05:48 | roge99 | not there yet |
| 03:05:48 | peanut | is dreaming! |
| 03:05:55 | ljp | BB: well I got mine installed. I told kendrick to install it manually.. he didn't like that idea. |
| 03:06:01 | tux_mike | JasonNJ-shrp: so there's 2 images? |
| 03:06:02 | peanut | JasonNJ_sleep: is hancom on that image? |
| 03:06:06 | JasonNJ_sleep | no hancom |
| 03:06:10 | JasonNJ_sleep | hancom was a problem |
| 03:06:16 | JasonNJ_sleep | we have a lot of issues with it |
| 03:06:19 | peanut | JasonNJ_sleep: bummer! |
| 03:06:21 | peanut | is it coming? |
| 03:06:24 | Hellaenergy | hancom is a PIM? |
| 03:06:25 | JasonNJ_sleep | eventually |
| 03:06:28 | JasonNJ_sleep | not with this drop |
| 03:06:32 | JasonNJ_sleep | hancom is an office suite |
| 03:06:42 | peanut | JasonNJ_sleep: now for a more important question.. |
| 03:06:44 | peanut | hows mitchy? |
| 03:06:48 | peanut | hows the ulcer |
| 03:06:49 | JasonNJ_sleep | mitchy is better |
| 03:06:50 | BigBoss | hey Jason |
| 03:06:56 | whardier | hows all |
| 03:07:03 | ljp | mitchyis hating developers... :) |
| 03:07:06 | JasonNJ_sleep | friggin 12 hour day for first day at week |
| 03:07:09 | JasonNJ_sleep | un real |
| 03:07:09 | whardier | sees that JasonNJ is typing in his sleep again |
| 03:07:10 | peanut | hehehe |
| 03:07:18 | whardier | this is a good time to get him to do stuff |
| 03:07:20 | whardier | damnit |
| 03:07:49 | BigBoss | ljp: you need to install the qpe-thekompany file as well, this is what gives you the tab for our apps |
| 03:08:01 | peanut | is terminal included? |
| 03:08:06 | ljp | ya that one installed too |
| 03:08:49 | ljp | BB: nice work, BTW |
| 03:08:53 | Hellaenergy | JasonNJ_sleep: any new cool jeode stuff? |
| 03:09:25 | JasonNJ | hmm havent seen the image yet |
| 03:09:39 | BigBoss | thanks |
| 03:09:42 | BigBoss | tell all your friends :) |
| 03:10:18 | peanut | more.sbc.co.jp is responding slowly.. |
| 03:10:49 | ljp | none of my friends outside of #zaurus and #opie has one! |
| 03:12:08 | Neo|Work | I truely wish great success for Sharp. :) |
| 03:13:19 | BigBoss | we had a nice little chunk of sales today |
| 03:13:19 | Hellaenergy | Heck for Linux and Open Source! |
| 03:13:38 | Hellaenergy | Cheers! |
| 03:14:02 | peanut | BigBoss: i'll be buying soon as well |
| 03:14:25 | ljp | BB: I didn't even hear you were releasing today, I just checked... |
| 03:14:29 | roge99 | BigBoss: lots of people buying the bundle ? |
| 03:15:17 | finkployd | great, I was gonna go to bed, but now if there is an image coming in the next few hours I have a reason to stay up :) |
| 03:15:37 | peanut | will believe it when he sees it |
| 03:15:46 | roge99 | BigBoss: you should post to the mailing list |
| 03:15:47 | BigBoss | we sold a chunk of bundles |
| 03:15:52 | BigBoss | what mailing list? |
| 03:15:53 | finkployd | has seen it, and wants it back :) |
| 03:16:08 | roge99 | zaurus devleoper |
| 03:16:09 | peanut | BigBoss: how many people work at thekompany? |
| 03:16:47 | BigBoss | I think we are up to about 400 now |
| 03:17:01 | peanut | wow |
| 03:17:03 | Neo|Work | wow indeed |
| 03:17:19 | peanut | where is thekompany located? |
| 03:17:21 | BigBoss | just kidding |
| 03:17:25 | BigBoss | it's about 15 or so |
| 03:17:32 | peanut | hehehe |
| 03:17:44 | BigBoss | we have various contractors do ad-hoc work, so I'm never positive the exact number at any given time |
| 03:17:46 | ljp | you WISH it was 400! |
| 03:17:51 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: heh. :-) |
| 03:18:10 | JasonNJ | BigBoss is actually the head of the russian mafia |
| 03:18:46 | peanut | jason! |
| 03:18:52 | BigBoss | I don't want 400 people. I would max out at about 30 to 40 I think |
| 03:18:54 | finkployd | Can't fool me, BigBoss is the main enemy at the end of MetalGear |
| 03:18:57 | ljp | wow, he hides his accent well! |
| 03:19:01 | peanut | jason is the head of the new jersey mafia |
| 03:19:09 | BigBoss | I have a couple russian and ukrainian programmers actually |
| 03:19:22 | roge99 | payroll for 400 people would suck |
| 03:19:55 | finkployd | used to run payroll jobs for 10000+ people |
| 03:19:57 | BigBoss | I don't know if I could keep it totally virtual after about 25 people - it would get to be too cumbersome |
| 03:20:17 | BigBoss | I use to run the IT department of a payroll company |
| 03:20:21 | BigBoss | I know it all too well |
| 03:20:43 | BigBoss | come on guys, everyone go to http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-05-001-20-PR and tell them how cool our stuff is :) |
| 03:21:08 | roge99 | yea but at a payroll company the money isn't coming out of your account |
| 03:21:40 | peanut | JasonNJ: does this rom have better irda built in? |
| 03:22:30 | finkployd | while we are asking questions about the new rom, will it have a more accurate battery meter? :) |
| 03:22:51 | finkployd | Mine has two settings, full, 1/4 and off |
| 03:23:13 | roge99 | thats 3 |
| 03:23:16 | peanut | thats 3 |
| 03:23:19 | JasonNJ | long list of improvements. |
| 03:23:21 | bipolar | is back (gone 05:03:20) |
| 03:23:21 | roge99 | echo |
| 03:23:24 | peanut | well?? |
| 03:23:32 | finkployd | I wasn't really counting "off" as a setting :) |
| 03:23:33 | JasonNJ | let me see if I can find the link to the internal pages |
| 03:23:38 | peanut | will there be a changelog of sorts? |
| 03:23:46 | JasonNJ | yeah I am going to post it here |
| 03:23:48 | JasonNJ | wait a sec |
| 03:25:30 | JasonNJ | holy shit he posted the roms |
| 03:25:41 | JasonNJ | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp#software |
| 03:25:52 | JasonNJ | he must be updating the html now |
| 03:26:09 | finkployd | cheers :) |
| 03:26:17 | peanut | yes! |
| 03:26:37 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 03:26:44 | peanut | sweet |
| 03:26:44 | peanut | imap4 |
| 03:26:44 | JasonNJ | now, 1.10 and 1.11 are identical |
| 03:26:49 | peanut | backup/restore |
| 03:26:53 | JasonNJ | with the exception of the memory ratio |
| 03:26:55 | peanut | voice recorder! |
| 03:27:07 | tux_mike | woo |
| 03:27:18 | peanut | so for linux, we're still stuck with the dec release of qtopiadesktop yes? |
| 03:27:30 | peanut | damn.. too many people downloading.. |
| 03:27:32 | Neo|Work | does the Z have a builtin speaker or does sounds require speakers or headphones btw? |
| 03:27:41 | peanut | both.. |
| 03:27:50 | peanut | the audioout is also audio in (like cell phones) |
| 03:27:54 | finkployd | JasonNJ: Do these ROMS come with the terminal? There was some confusion over that before |
| 03:27:59 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 03:28:01 | JasonNJ | terminal |
| 03:28:04 | JasonNJ | and filemanager |
| 03:28:05 | finkployd | thanks |
| 03:28:30 | finkployd | tell Mitchy us annoying developers thank him :) |
| 03:28:41 | ljp | heh, but the term at zaurus SF is better... :) |
| 03:28:59 | tux_mike | grr |
| 03:29:18 | JasonNJ | i had to bust a lot of heads to get these roms out |
| 03:29:32 | ljp | well, thanks for the head bustin' |
| 03:29:44 | JasonNJ | gotta go grab my 5000 to test these |
| 03:29:45 | finkployd | Headbusting is always good |
| 03:29:52 | Neo|Work | leaves work finally. |
| 03:30:01 | peanut | is still downloading.. |
| 03:30:09 | peanut | JasonNJ: maybe they could get a fatter pipe :) |
| 03:30:12 | finkployd | everyone is downloading :) |
| 03:30:19 | ljp | its coming from Japan... |
| 03:30:36 | roge99 | im getting 31K/sec |
| 03:30:38 | roge99 | not bad |
| 03:30:42 | finkployd | would there be a legal problem with me putting up a temporary mirror? |
| 03:30:50 | finkployd | I have dual OC12s in the states |
| 03:30:56 | ljp | I'm sure Jason might do that at ZZ |
| 03:31:33 | JasonNJ | I'll put it up on ZZ |
| 03:31:45 | ljp | see what I mean..? |
| 03:31:48 | ljp | :D |
| 03:32:16 | finkployd | heh |
| 03:34:33 | ljp | mole asses |
| 03:34:46 | finkployd | maybe we should have taken turns :) |
| 03:34:56 | roge99 | like watchn golf |
| 03:35:06 | finkployd | Only with some interest in the outcome |
| 03:35:12 | sean | heh |
| 03:35:13 | roge99 | true |
| 03:35:14 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 03:35:19 | peanut | is getting about 15k |
| 03:35:22 | roge99 | 99% |
| 03:35:26 | sean | <-- dialup. |
| 03:35:26 | peanut | bastard.. |
| 03:35:33 | finkployd | 24k |
| 03:35:37 | ljp | time to sync |
| 03:35:38 | peanut | its kind of sad.. |
| 03:35:42 | roge99 | got it |
| 03:35:45 | peanut | theres only a few people on this channel |
| 03:35:58 | peanut | they can't handle this many users? |
| 03:36:05 | JasonNJ | give me a few minutes |
| 03:36:12 | JasonNJ | I'll put it all up on zz |
| 03:36:16 | peanut | JasonNJ: seriously.. |
| 03:36:16 | JasonNJ | I have 20 megabits |
| 03:36:21 | peanut | not knocking them or anything.. |
| 03:36:24 | peanut | has oc3 |
| 03:36:36 | peanut | well actually dual oc3 |
| 03:36:37 | JasonNJ | you have your own oc3? |
| 03:36:40 | finkployd | I have cable from where I am now |
| 03:36:40 | JasonNJ | damn |
| 03:36:53 | peanut | is ssh'ed through work.. |
| 03:37:01 | peanut | for my downloading anyway |
| 03:37:03 | finkployd | I should do that. |
| 03:37:04 | sjohnson | peanut: Tinker toys. At work I've dual 135MB feeds. |
| 03:37:10 | JasonNJ | well, I have 20 megabit but it is colocated on a OC-666 or something |
| 03:37:16 | peanut | oc3 != 135 |
| 03:37:21 | peanut | oc3 is 155 |
| 03:37:30 | roge99 | flashing ! |
| 03:37:40 | peanut | roge99: what kind of connection are you on? |
| 03:37:45 | roge99 | cable |
| 03:38:00 | peanut | JasonNJ: is that 20mb at home? |
| 03:38:01 | finkployd | I'm pulling both images, so it's taking me a while |
| 03:38:13 | peanut | both images? |
| 03:38:17 | JasonNJ | remember, new windows driver and sync software |
| 03:38:22 | roge99 | i just grabed one |
| 03:38:22 | finkployd | 1.10&1.11 |
| 03:38:25 | sjohnson | peanut: Argh. I forget. I keep mis-remembering the Oc levels. :-/ |
| 03:38:25 | peanut | yeah.. i don't use that.. |
| 03:38:42 | peanut | would like to see an updated qtopiadesktop for linux though.. |
| 03:38:47 | peanut | guess i'll have to ask trolltech |
| 03:39:09 | peanut | JasonNJ: do you have 20mb to home? |
| 03:39:30 | fiferboy | peanut: Doesn't the qtopiadesktop for Linux work well for you? |
| 03:39:48 | peanut | it does indeed |
| 03:39:54 | ljp | S...L...O...W...I...N...G... D...O...W....N.... |
| 03:39:57 | peanut | hehehe |
| 03:40:08 | JasonNJ | no I have cable at home |
| 03:40:15 | JasonNJ | 20MB at zauruszone |
| 03:40:18 | JasonNJ | dedicated |
| 03:40:19 | peanut | ahhh... |
| 03:40:22 | fiferboy | I would like a new one for Linux too, just to keep up with Windows... |
| 03:40:22 | roge99 | ooooohh ahhhhhh! |
| 03:40:32 | peanut | fiferboy: agreed |
| 03:40:39 | peanut | 13.2k |
| 03:40:40 | peanut | argh.. |
| 03:40:50 | fiferboy | 9.2k |
| 03:40:58 | sean | 3.49k.. |
| 03:41:03 | peanut | so when is mitcy going back to work? |
| 03:41:04 | tux_mike | 8.8 on a 1.5Mbit dsl |
| 03:41:20 | JasonNJ | mitchy is back at work |
| 03:41:24 | peanut | great! |
| 03:41:24 | JasonNJ | but he wont be running the forums |
| 03:41:31 | JasonNJ | he works directly with me |
| 03:41:37 | JasonNJ | as my translator counterpart |
| 03:41:56 | peanut | good.. |
| 03:42:00 | peanut | for him that is.. |
| 03:42:10 | peanut | he'll be missed on the forums.. |
| 03:42:14 | peanut | answers some people on there.. |
| 03:42:21 | peanut | too many losers wanting to complain though.. |
| 03:42:25 | peanut | never likes that.. |
| 03:42:30 | JasonNJ | dont post the rom locations yet |
| 03:42:33 | sean | just ignore them. |
| 03:42:33 | JasonNJ | we have to do that officially |
| 03:42:40 | peanut | i know nothing.. |
| 03:42:43 | JasonNJ | I dont want it to get hammered |
| 03:42:48 | peanut | does... |
| 03:42:50 | JasonNJ | I want the zauruszone mirrors up first |
| 03:42:58 | peanut | good idea all things considering.. |
| 03:43:12 | JasonNJ | that sharp server at japan is a joke |
| 03:43:21 | peanut | and it runs windows! |
| 03:43:23 | peanut | hahahahaha |
| 03:43:23 | JasonNJ | its like some backwater lefotover peice of crap |
| 03:43:43 | JasonNJ | my developer site will rock |
| 03:43:46 | BigBoss | oh, if anyone wants to post our tkcApps announcement to a #zaurus list I'd be most appreciative |
| 03:43:48 | JasonNJ | when I get it up |
| 03:43:49 | BigBoss | I'm not on any of them |
| 03:43:54 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 4 hours, 7 minutes and 36 seconds ago, saying: hah [Mon Feb 4 23:36:18 2002] |
| 03:43:54 | zero1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 03:43:59 | BigBoss | not if you don't put a link to our software :) |
| 03:44:08 | peanut | it does not sound nice outside.. |
| 03:44:33 | JasonNJ | dammit my download froze at 86 percent |
| 03:44:49 | peanut | JasonNJ: i'm almost done and off |
| 03:44:52 | JasonNJ | if anyone has been able to get them down, I'd appreciate it if I can download from ya |
| 03:45:03 | peanut | has downloaded the rom only.. |
| 03:45:04 | JasonNJ | but I need the drivers and sync software too |
| 03:45:20 | JasonNJ | wait I'm not frozen just real slow |
| 03:45:29 | JasonNJ | 12k per second |
| 03:46:08 | peanut | is uploading the rom to the dual oc3 system |
| 03:46:25 | peanut | hates restricted upstream companies |
| 03:46:54 | ljp | BB: send me the release, I'll post it. |
| 03:46:55 | roge99 | sweet the emal client supports imap |
| 03:47:06 | roge99 | s/emal/email/ |
| 03:49:00 | JasonNJ | k first rom done |
| 03:49:14 | peanut | jason.. i notice that they don't break the rom out |
| 03:49:17 | JasonNJ | let me flash the first one |
| 03:49:18 | peanut | split |
| 03:49:41 | BigBoss | ljp: this link has it http://alllinuxdevices.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2002-02-04-001-03-PL-HH |
| 03:49:47 | BigBoss | thanks for the help :) |
| 03:50:37 | roge99 | BigBoss: you can send a mail to the list -- zaurus-general@lists.sourceforge.net |
| 03:51:05 | Mallory | hmm, where are they? |
| 03:51:11 | Mallory | I see y'all talking about new ROMs :) |
| 03:51:19 | ljp | who... us? |
| 03:51:20 | BigBoss | thanks roge99 |
| 03:51:24 | peanut | Mallory: scroll up |
| 03:51:33 | roge99 | no prob |
| 03:51:47 | finkployd | Mallory: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp |
| 03:51:47 | roge99 | BigBoss: nice work btw |
| 03:51:51 | Mallory | ahh, danke |
| 03:52:50 | peanut | anyone done flashing? |
| 03:52:57 | roge99 | peanut: yea |
| 03:52:58 | peanut | just started.. |
| 03:53:05 | peanut | but on my microdrive.. will probably take 20 minutes :( |
| 03:53:14 | peanut | whats your first thoughts? |
| 03:53:20 | roge99 | looks good |
| 03:53:31 | roge99 | wlan workd out the box |
| 03:53:37 | peanut | JasonNJ: can we beam to/from palm now? |
| 03:53:41 | Mallory | descisions descisions |
| 03:53:42 | JasonNJ | flashing 110 now |
| 03:53:46 | JasonNJ | yes beam to palm works |
| 03:53:48 | JasonNJ | and vice versa |
| 03:53:50 | roge99 | makes you run thru setup first |
| 03:53:53 | peanut | awesome.. |
| 03:53:59 | JasonNJ | but it is turned off by default |
| 03:53:59 | peanut | why are you trying 110? |
| 03:54:03 | Mallory | So I probably want 1.10? |
| 03:54:04 | JasonNJ | so you dont waste energy |
| 03:54:07 | Mallory | (yes, cluebie here) |
| 03:54:21 | peanut | JasonNJ: how do i turn it on? |
| 03:54:23 | JasonNJ | you gotta go into the ir applet and turn beaming on |
| 03:54:28 | peanut | oh.. duh.. |
| 03:54:34 | peanut | you have to do that on palm as well.. |
| 03:54:43 | peanut | well.. it might be on by default for them.. i always turn it off |
| 03:54:46 | JasonNJ | guys make sure you hard reset your units before trying to do anything |
| 03:54:56 | JasonNJ | clear your filesystem |
| 03:55:07 | peanut | but of course.. |
| 03:55:15 | whardier | bran.fsck |
| 03:55:15 | peanut | hard reset before flashing? |
| 03:55:20 | whardier | ^ cleans your system |
| 03:55:21 | sean | whats the heap/stack on <= 1.10 ? |
| 03:55:22 | JasonNJ | mallory 1.10 is 16/16 memory split |
| 03:55:27 | sean | ah |
| 03:55:31 | JasonNJ | 1.11 is 26/4 memory split |
| 03:55:33 | peanut | why would we want 1.10? for more space |
| 03:55:45 | JasonNJ | 1.11 is designed for java programmers |
| 03:55:51 | Mallory | Okay, so 1.11 will leave me with more RAM, correct? |
| 03:55:52 | JasonNJ | for big java apps |
| 03:55:56 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 03:56:04 | JasonNJ | more ram less disk |
| 03:56:06 | finkployd | 1.10 should be fine for most users? |
| 03:56:09 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 03:56:12 | peanut | so 1.11 == more ram, 1.10 == more space |
| 03:56:14 | Mallory | I think I'll stick with the 16/16, it's good so far |
| 03:56:15 | finkployd | thanks |
| 03:56:21 | Mallory | You should /topic that Jason :) |
| 03:56:27 | Mallory | err, peanut |
| 03:57:47 | peanut | its windy outside.. |
| 03:58:00 | peanut | still flashing.. |
| 03:58:07 | JasonNJ | 1.11, great taste less filling |
| 03:58:50 | finkployd | would there be a non programmer advantage with 1.11? Like better performance with media player or browsing large web sites? |
| 04:00:42 | peanut | still flashing.. |
| 04:00:49 | peanut | damn microdrive |
| 04:00:49 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 04:00:50 | Mallory | yeah it's funny, I was outside in a T-Shirt today. Now it's FREEZING with snow blowing all around |
| 04:01:27 | peanut | wow.. 6kb on 1.10 |
| 04:01:30 | Mallory | Okay, I left my CF reader at home... I can scp it to the CF card on the Z before I shut it down, right? |
| 04:01:38 | peanut | i believe so.. |
| 04:01:46 | finkployd | or ftp will also work |
| 04:01:53 | fiferboy | I ftp the file to the /mnt/cf and it works fine |
| 04:01:57 | Mallory | Yeah, same thing |
| 04:01:58 | JasonNJ | 6Meg.. |
| 04:02:17 | Mallory | I'm at 4 and I started after most of y'all, I must be lucky :) |
| 04:02:27 | finkployd | will the palmtop center upgrade save my data? |
| 04:02:33 | peanut | has 1.11 |
| 04:02:36 | JasonNJ | 1.10 great taste. 1.11 less filling |
| 04:02:54 | peanut | likes jason's quote better |
| 04:03:17 | JasonNJ | I liked their original names for the roms better |
| 04:03:20 | JasonNJ | 1.20a and 1.20b |
| 04:03:39 | peanut | why? |
| 04:03:41 | finkployd | tries to press only c and d at the same time |
| 04:03:42 | JasonNJ | but somehow they got in some huge internal argument and the idiots won |
| 04:03:43 | finkployd | fails |
| 04:03:58 | JasonNJ | I wasnt about to delay the roms for some stupid reason |
| 04:04:06 | JasonNJ | would have added a day or so to qa it again |
| 04:04:08 | fiferboy | finkployd: I can never get that either. And then you have to hit the reset too... |
| 04:04:42 | Mallory | HTML tagged mail supported. |
| 04:04:43 | Mallory | ewwww |
| 04:04:51 | peanut | boots |
| 04:05:18 | whardier | scoots |
| 04:05:24 | whardier | now somebody has to boogie.. |
| 04:05:56 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 4 hours, 29 minutes and 38 seconds ago, saying: hah [Mon Feb 4 23:36:18 2002] |
| 04:05:56 | zero1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 04:06:05 | roge99 | hmmm dosent look like the old addressbook or datebook data will work |
| 04:06:10 | whardier | just keeps going up and up and up |
| 04:06:15 | whardier | nothing outlasts ibot's timer |
| 04:06:17 | finkployd | no penguin logo :( |
| 04:06:26 | whardier | I made dat! |
| 04:06:30 | finkployd | no boot messages :( |
| 04:06:36 | | zero1: i'm not following you... |
| 04:06:36 | zero1 | ibot pay my bills |
| 04:06:46 | zero1 | :) |
| 04:06:48 | finkployd | Oh well, it's more professional I suppose. If you are into that kind of thing :) |
| 04:06:59 | whardier | no pinguin in what? |
| 04:07:19 | finkployd | when it first boots |
| 04:07:23 | whardier | what rom? |
| 04:07:25 | peanut | much nicer |
| 04:08:04 | whardier | you turds do not like the pingizauru logo? |
| 04:08:26 | JasonNJ | /* Base class, the rest inherit from this */ |
| 04:08:26 | JasonNJ | TABLE, TR, TD { font: 10pt Verdana; color:#000000 } |
| 04:08:26 | JasonNJ | BODY { font: 10pt Verdana; color:#000000; background-image:url(<#SKIN_DIR#>/images/background.gif) |
| 04:08:26 | JasonNJ | } |
| 04:08:26 | JasonNJ | a:link, a:visited{ text-decoration:underline; color:#000033 } |
| 04:08:39 | Mallory | heh, looks like he was playing with Konq |
| 04:09:02 | peanut | hey. ip address is user configurable |
| 04:09:09 | whardier | finkployd what rom were you booting? |
| 04:09:14 | ljp | wardier: new sharp rom |
| 04:09:16 | whardier | oh |
| 04:09:17 | whardier | yeah |
| 04:09:25 | whardier | mypatch is not in their rom |
| 04:09:39 | JasonNJ | sorry about the flood |
| 04:09:39 | ljp | which patch? |
| 04:09:50 | whardier | do you guys dig the semi animated openzaurus logo ? |
| 04:09:57 | whardier | ^one |
| 04:12:45 | JasonNJ | ok guys |
| 04:12:47 | JasonNJ | dos my server. |
| 04:12:49 | JasonNJ | :) |
| 04:13:15 | JasonNJ | http://www.zauruszone.com/files/SL5UpdateV110.zip |
| 04:13:34 | Mallory | I can mirror it someplace if you want |
| 04:13:44 | JasonNJ | yeah that would be cool |
| 04:13:57 | Mallory | one sec |
| 04:14:22 | JasonNJ | I cant announce anything until mitchy gives me the go signal though |
| 04:14:27 | Mallory | Throw me an md5sum |
| 04:14:29 | JasonNJ | I anticipate that will be fairly soon though |
| 04:14:39 | Mallory | $ md5sum SL5UpdateV110.zip |
| 04:14:39 | Mallory | 296fb3e7567d4f2d3e1e318193cf99cc SL5UpdateV110.zip |
| 04:15:28 | Mallory | {ftp,http}://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/SL5UpdateV110.zip |
| 04:15:31 | Mallory | Use http, FTP is throttled :) |
| 04:15:50 | tux_mike | hrmm....i'm getting a segfault trying to connect signals to slots |
| 04:18:13 | finkployd | OK, I gotta play the reboot game with windows to get the new sync software installed. |
| 04:20:03 | peanut | anyone have a rec for a combo mic/headphone setup? |
| 04:20:36 | ljp | what?! no jumpx?!?! |
| 04:20:56 | tux_mike | ljp: ever have any problems connecting signals and slots? |
| 04:21:11 | ljp | occasionally |
| 04:21:21 | ljp | sometimes it requires a make clean |
| 04:21:25 | bipolar_ZzZzZz | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 04:22:47 | tux_mike | it is clean |
| 04:23:53 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: You evil troll. I was going to finish setting up my new Palm. But now i guess my plans have changed. |
| 04:24:56 | sjohnson | Now where did I stick my Zaurus... |
| 04:25:16 | tux_mike | ljp: i made sure no stale files were around, still segfault |
| 04:26:00 | ljp | hmmm. hang on a few.. I'll help ya out... |
| 04:26:37 | tux_mike | everything else is working but the slot -_- |
| 04:26:47 | tux_mike | s/slot/connect |
| 04:27:55 | BZFlag | Mallory: it's a zip file. that includes crc code internaly. just zip -t foo.zip |
| 04:28:10 | Mallory | mmmh? |
| 04:28:17 | Mallory | Yes, it's in the process of flashing. :) |
| 04:28:26 | Mallory | I offered to mirror it |
| 04:28:38 | BZFlag | <Mallory> Throw me an md5sum |
| 04:28:49 | Mallory | Yeah, of the zip so I can verify that the copy I'm mirroring is good |
| 04:29:00 | BZFlag | as I mentioned... zip -t foo.zip |
| 04:30:12 | peanut | of course, you mean unzip -t |
| 04:30:18 | peanut | in case any of you are wondering :) |
| 04:30:44 | BZFlag | heh, ah yes. unzip. so "unzip -t SL5UpdateV110.zip", thanx peanut |
| 04:31:04 | nasa | ok, just joined -- is the new rom out? |
| 04:31:14 | BZFlag | out? no available? yes. ;-) |
| 04:31:33 | BZFlag | http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/SL5UpdateV110.zip |
| 04:31:52 | JasonNJ | ok 1.11 is up on zauruszone |
| 04:31:54 | JasonNJ | same url |
| 04:32:00 | JasonNJ | just with 111 |
| 04:32:17 | AelfAFK | woohoo thanks a lot o) |
| 04:33:09 | JasonNJ | intellisync is IS_update.zip |
| 04:33:30 | kyoorius | i'm sort of enjoying this rapid paced uncertainty of Z development... sort of like Linux in the early days.. heh . |
| 04:36:46 | kend-zaur | bboss? |
| 04:37:07 | Mallory | http://ftp.engardelinux.org/pub/engarde/people/ryan/ZAURUS-ROMS |
| 04:37:13 | Mallory | Unzipped and the zip |
| 04:37:19 | Mallory | Along with an md5sum file for verification |
| 04:38:05 | kend-zaur | can someone whois him for me? check idle time |
| 04:38:32 | JasonNJ | thank god these roms are out |
| 04:38:44 | JasonNJ | I was really getting tired of this underhanded " |
| 04:38:47 | tux_mike | preps his cf |
| 04:39:01 | JasonNJ | "psst! heres an internal rom!" crab |
| 04:39:03 | JasonNJ | crap |
| 04:39:12 | kend-zaur | is innocent |
| 04:39:29 | JasonNJ | kend new roms are out |
| 04:39:34 | kend-zaur | i love free software, but the only 'pirating' i've done is of 20yr old atari stuff :) |
| 04:39:37 | JasonNJ | read the topic |
| 04:40:13 | Mallory | I miss the penguin |
| 04:40:22 | kend-zaur | i cant read the tipic! zic doesnt show it! d'oh! :) |
| 04:40:24 | kend-zaur | jason - eta for when we can buy spare chargers? |
| 04:40:36 | kend-zaur | i forgot mine at work |
| 04:41:12 | | JasonNJ: huh? |
| 04:41:12 | JasonNJ | ibot topic |
| 04:41:35 | kend-zaur | oh god! tkcmahjingg ssays "you are win" hahahahaah! |
| 04:41:39 | JasonNJ | kend: http://www.zauruszone.com/files/SL5UpdateV110.zip |
| 04:41:55 | sjohnson | is getting handle at holding down C+D one-fingered |
| 04:42:17 | tux_mike | lol |
| 04:42:33 | JasonNJ | sj: I had to do it like 50 times last week |
| 04:42:38 | kend-zaur | thz |
| 04:42:45 | kend-zaur | any compat issues? |
| 04:43:50 | BigBoss | well I didn't proof all of the dialogs yet :) |
| 04:43:56 | kend-zaur | eg, i recently loaded TONS of data into todo & addrbook |
| 04:44:08 | kend-zaur | bigboss - the game doesnt work. no layouts! |
| 04:44:20 | kend-zaur | and any idea why it didnt install on sd? |
| 04:44:41 | roge99 | kend-zaur: dosnet look like the address book / date book files are compatible |
| 04:45:01 | BigBoss | not sure, but we don't have an SD card to test with, but I've forwarded the problem to Max to check into |
| 04:45:04 | kend-zaur | daaaaaammnnn! |
| 04:45:07 | BigBoss | probably a Qtopia problem :) |
| 04:45:19 | roge99 | kend-zaur: ill whoop up a converter |
| 04:45:21 | kend-zaur | bboss thx. so where're the layouts then? :( |
| 04:46:14 | kend-zaur | roge - thx. (you work for troll?) |
| 04:46:33 | roge99 | kend-zaur: nope |
| 04:47:06 | sjohnson | I think I fubar's my SD card. I formatted it back to FAT but it won't automount. Any ideas? |
| 04:47:22 | whardier | not much talk in sharp-linux nowadays |
| 04:47:23 | whardier | hahaha |
| 04:48:26 | kend-zaur | jason - suggestion to opera: highlight/copy |
| 04:48:36 | whardier | free |
| 04:48:43 | whardier | just thought he would throw that in |
| 04:48:52 | whardier | open source :) |
| 04:49:18 | whardier | Ibet they still make most money on advertisement and overseas mass buying |
| 04:49:33 | kend-zaur | who? |
| 04:51:07 | kend-zaur | (ping?) |
| 04:51:11 | kend-zaur | bboss? |
| 04:51:39 | Mallory | Okay, this is pissing me off |
| 04:51:46 | Mallory | I'm giving it a static IP but WTF is it trying to use dhcp? |
| 04:51:51 | Mallory | tcpdump: listening on eth1 |
| 04:51:51 | Mallory | 23:53:41.710464 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0xcde53b03 secs:5 [|bootp] |
| 04:51:53 | Mallory | ... |
| 04:52:02 | Mallory | I have a friend who bought one |
| 04:52:04 | Mallory | err, ww |
| 04:52:21 | JasonNJ | god I love tkcjabber |
| 04:52:26 | JasonNJ | what a great program |
| 04:52:38 | Mallory | And then, of course, the Z just sits there braindead waiting for an IP |
| 04:52:54 | JasonNJ | go into wlan config |
| 04:52:58 | JasonNJ | and then exit |
| 04:52:59 | kend-zaur | mahjongg layout editor SLOW |
| 04:53:06 | JasonNJ | needs to write a basic file |
| 04:53:15 | Mallory | I would if it would respond |
| 04:53:20 | Mallory | I just put a dhcpd up real quick |
| 04:53:30 | Mallory | that did it |
| 04:53:32 | JasonNJ | and make sure you configure ip |
| 04:53:37 | Mallory | It didn't even use the IP it got from the dhcpd |
| 04:55:45 | kend-zaur | bigboss? |
| 04:56:06 | kend-zaur | i might need to buy tkcjabber just to be able to talk to shawn |
| 04:56:59 | Mallory | Okay, is there any trick to get networking working through the cradle again? :) |
| 04:57:10 | JasonNJ | I think shawn's jabber server is down |
| 04:57:52 | JasonNJ | anyone know of a good alternative server |
| 04:57:56 | sjohnson | Silly me. I built the ext2 fs on my /dev/mmcda device instead of /dev/mmcda1 |
| 04:58:31 | ljp | Mallory: it has a different IP |
| 04:58:42 | kend-zaur | shawn needs to use a normal irc server/client :) |
| 04:59:19 | tux_mike | is there a doc on using tmake? |
| 04:59:32 | sjohnson | Strange. Why isn't fdisk on these developer ROMs? |
| 05:00:28 | sjohnson | Hot D*mn! 1.10 is automount my ext2 formated SD card. |
| 05:00:54 | kend-zaur | man oh man |
| 05:01:01 | kend-zaur | this stinks! |
| 05:01:46 | sjohnson | And yeah. They fixed the MMC cards be dismouted after a resume. Excellent!!! |
| 05:02:26 | kend-zaur | so 1.10 is a sharp rom, right? |
| 05:02:40 | sjohnson | yes |
| 05:02:50 | kend-zaur | and pim data incompat? |
| 05:03:12 | nasa | How do you start up ppp from the Z (with new rom) |
| 05:03:29 | nasa | I set up everything using the wizard |
| 05:04:52 | roge99 | hmm the xml for the pim data dosent look that off |
| 05:05:07 | roge99 | couple new feilds |
| 05:06:20 | kend-zaur | so if i run1/08 backup & then run 1.10 restore, it won't work? :) |
| 05:06:42 | roge99 | kend-zaur: i dont know didnt see 1/08 |
| 05:06:50 | scribe | hey guys. |
| 05:06:59 | sjohnson | Interesting, how do your setup ppp? |
| 05:07:01 | kend-zaur | jason??? |
| 05:07:06 | roge99 | i copied the files i had from oz 2.6 and they didnt work |
| 05:07:09 | scribe | still having troubles uploading my app to trolltech :) bummer |
| 05:07:23 | scribe | and still didn't hear from them if they accepted my email with an URL to download the app |
| 05:08:27 | roge99 | kend-zaur: let me know if your datafiles work w/ the new pim |
| 05:08:31 | kend-zaur | jason, bigboss, where are you? |
| 05:08:46 | nasa | Ok, I had ppp working -- what needs to change to get it working now? |
| 05:08:46 | kend-zaur | roge - batts almost dead. nos pare charger |
| 05:08:56 | roge99 | ahh |
| 05:09:00 | roge99 | that sucks |
| 05:09:06 | kend-zaur | prob wont try it til tomorrow :) |
| 05:09:14 | roge99 | rig somting up |
| 05:09:20 | kend-zaur | but wnna verify i wont be fscked, pim data wise |
| 05:09:21 | finkployd | hmmm, I cannot seem to install Qtopia Desktop and Intellisync at the same time |
| 05:09:34 | roge99 | its just xml |
| 05:09:35 | JasonNJ | BigBoss your jabber server is down |
| 05:09:46 | roge99 | i have a boatload of data as well |
| 05:09:54 | JasonNJ | hmm his server pings |
| 05:09:59 | kend-zaur | yeah, but i'd like to be able to keep USING it |
| 05:10:02 | kend-zaur | jason??? |
| 05:10:03 | tux_mike | ok, i think i'm gonna start breaking things. |
| 05:10:06 | kend-zaur | jason |
| 05:10:23 | kend-zaur | will 1/08 pim xml work on 1.10 rom? |
| 05:10:29 | roge99 | and i need to be able to write the new format for my evo-sync script |
| 05:10:31 | JasonNJ | hmm |
| 05:10:41 | JasonNJ | that is a very good question, kendrick-san. |
| 05:10:53 | kend-zaur | i spent the last coupla days LOADING my z with tons of stuff off my palm |
| 05:10:55 | JasonNJ | the answer is, I have no freaking idea. |
| 05:10:57 | kend-zaur | mostly manyally |
| 05:11:12 | kend-zaur | d'oh!! where're releasenotes!? :) |
| 05:11:13 | roge99 | kend-zaur: i *will* come up w/ a converter |
| 05:11:37 | kend-zaur | ok - til then, i'llwait |
| 05:11:41 | Mallory | Okay, so the addresses changed. What IP does the Z now assume is on the other end of the cable? |
| 05:11:58 | kend-zaur | now i need to get mahjongg to work :( |
| 05:12:13 | nasa | Try setting it with the wizard |
| 05:12:19 | Mallory | I did, that didn't work |
| 05:12:27 | Mallory | There are now about four places where you enter addreses |
| 05:12:32 | nasa | oh well, it didn't work for me either |
| 05:13:55 | Mallory | GAH typos |
| 05:16:42 | fiferboy | Okay, is there any way to get the new ROMIMAGE to sync in Linux? |
| 05:16:46 | kend-zaur | i want my $5 bucks back :) |
| 05:20:25 | fiferboy | I can't sync, ping or ftp it in Linux... |
| 05:20:32 | ljp | new IP |
| 05:20:47 | ljp | ?? |
| 05:21:00 | fiferboy | I changed the IP back to the same as before, but still no go... |
| 05:22:09 | fiferboy | Anyone had any luck? |
| 05:22:35 | nasa | not much |
| 05:22:50 | kend-zaur | runs off |
| 05:23:31 | kend-zaur | byebye |
| 05:23:32 | finkployd | I can't sync with qtopia |
| 05:23:57 | fiferboy | The old IP for the unit was 192.168.1.201 right? |
| 05:24:01 | Mallory | same here, no luck |
| 05:24:04 | nasa | right |
| 05:24:06 | Mallory | I'd settle for pinging the damn thing |
| 05:24:37 | nasa | it's strange, I can ping from the Z to my computer -- but the Z shows no reponse |
| 05:24:48 | Mallory | It's sending out ARP like mad |
| 05:24:51 | Mallory | 00:26:47.278459 arp who-has 192.168.1.201 tell 192.168.1.200 |
| 05:26:11 | nasa | Mallory: I am not understanding what you just said |
| 05:26:27 | Mallory | And when I set up a static IP in the Networking config it sends out dhcp requests |
| 05:26:32 | Mallory | 00:28:10.163785 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0x363e8130 secs:5 [|bootp] |
| 05:28:44 | nasa | All the packets it recieves are showing up as errors |
| 05:30:14 | fiferboy | Also, I managed to get my datebook data back, but todolist and addressbook don't seem compatible. |
| 05:30:19 | fiferboy | Anyone notice that as well? |
| 05:30:32 | roge99 | workin on it |
| 05:32:03 | kyoorius | alright, who's in with me on the Beowulf-Z project? |
| 05:32:12 | kyoorius | j/k :) |
| 05:32:14 | Mallory | heh |
| 05:36:39 | Mallory | nasa: Yes, all the RX packets on the Z are showing up as errors |
| 05:38:58 | sakha123 | ok how do i print some debug statements to the console, e.g. on Ok button clicked echo "Ok clicked" to the console? |
| 05:40:27 | Mallory | Do you need a "USB - TCP/IP" Service to get this working or will it just run off teh IP you have listed for Sync'ing? |
| 05:41:08 | finkployd | I wouldn't think so |
| 05:41:17 | finkployd | although I guess it couldn't hurt |
| 05:41:57 | nasa | Has anyone tried syncing from windows? |
| 05:42:24 | finkployd | I've been trying for a while :( |
| 05:42:42 | nasa | wonderful |
| 05:42:49 | finkployd | Got it! |
| 05:42:50 | finkployd | :) |
| 05:43:00 | Mallory | 00:44:56.848522 192.168.1.200 > 192.168.1.201: icmp: echo request (DF) |
| 05:43:05 | Mallory | Pick up the fscking phone |
| 05:43:13 | finkployd | Appearently configuring the USB networking as 192.168.129.201 worked |
| 05:43:52 | nasa | You mean the ip address? |
| 05:43:54 | Mallory | Okay, in the "Sync" tab or you mean creating a USB service? |
| 05:44:00 | finkployd | yeah |
| 05:44:09 | roge99 | hmmm seems the pim data is compatable after all |
| 05:44:12 | finkployd | Creating a USB service |
| 05:44:25 | Mallory | (and I assume it wants the other end on 192.168.129.201?) |
| 05:44:26 | finkployd | All my data seemed to wrok |
| 05:44:26 | Mallory | err, .200 |
| 05:45:03 | roge99 | the addressbook runs in the background and caches the data it had when it started |
| 05:45:53 | finkployd | I have 192.168.129.201 in Gtopia Dekstop, in Sync and in network services as the USB - TCP/IP address |
| 05:45:58 | roge99 | if you modify the file ( or copy a new one in its place ) after you've started addressbook it overwrites what you had put there |
| 05:46:17 | roge99 | even if you clos the GUI |
| 05:49:27 | Mallory | still no go, I'm about to give up |
| 05:49:36 | finkployd | Ok, I'm going to test IR and dial up then I'm going to bed. I keep forgetting I have a job that doesn't involve this :) |
| 05:49:48 | Mallory | is at said job |
| 05:51:44 | JasonNJ | new openssh up at sourceforge |
| 05:51:46 | JasonNJ | version 3.0 |
| 05:51:48 | rospahr | has anyone pulled the email client and opera from the sharp Rom and installed them on the OZ rom? |
| 05:52:07 | finkployd | IR works with a Palm III in both directions |
| 05:53:44 | nasa | How did you activate the network |
| 05:54:09 | sjohnson | nasa: It's actiate after adding A service in the Network/Sync app |
| 05:54:15 | JasonNJ | someone needs to repackage the SSH |
| 05:54:23 | JasonNJ | this dude compiled it but didnt make an ipkg |
| 05:54:39 | kyoorius | finkployd: u got ir on the Z to beam between the Palm? What app is that? |
| 05:55:12 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Any idea when/if updated will be availe for linux usb networking? |
| 05:55:34 | finkployd | kyoorius: any app. I tried it with address on both to test though |
| 05:55:44 | sjohnson | kyoorius: 'Bream Receive' app in Settings |
| 05:56:01 | sjohnson | ER, Beam Receive |
| 05:56:06 | sjohnson | To receive |
| 05:56:20 | nasa | sjohnson, I did add a service and it still is not showing up |
| 05:57:01 | nasa | I have been checking with netstat and it shows nada |
| 05:57:35 | Mallory | Um, is there a root password all of a sudden, or can you not telnet to it as root ;) |
| 05:57:37 | sjohnson | Well ppp and usb (tried to start) started for me |
| 05:57:38 | finkployd | Hmmm, It is not recognizing my Targus 56k CF modem.... |
| 05:57:48 | Mallory | (which I'd find odd since you can ftp to it as root with no password) |
| 05:58:34 | kyoorius | hrm. i dont seem to see a beam receive option in my settings. is that availaboe on the OZ rom' s or only the sharp ROM? |
| 05:58:40 | Mallory | (didn't get USB working, just plugged in the CF card) |
| 05:59:12 | finkployd | only the new sharp rom |
| 05:59:54 | kyoorius | is off to flash, flash, and flash again. |
| 06:00:11 | finkployd | any ideas on why the new rom doesn't see my modem? The old one did |
| 06:00:35 | sjohnson | finkployd: What does 'cardctl status' show? |
| 06:01:18 | rospahr | any word on when an average guy like myself can get the new Sharp Rom? |
| 06:01:31 | sjohnson | finkployd: and 'cardctl ident' |
| 06:01:38 | finkployd | Socket 0: 3.3v 16-bit PC Card |
| 06:01:52 | finkployd | function 0: [ready] |
| 06:02:02 | finkployd | Socket 1: no card |
| 06:02:23 | finkployd | Ident: |
| 06:03:05 | finkployd | Product info: "targuKN(Xokkm|Molmm(=>8:" |
| 06:03:30 | finkployd | manfid: 0x0813, 0x0808 |
| 06:03:41 | finkployd | function: 2 (serial) |
| 06:04:43 | sjohnson | Product info doesn't look good. But it see's the card and binds w/ the right driver |
| 06:04:49 | sjohnson | It should be working |
| 06:05:10 | roge99 | rospahr: link to new rom is in the topic |
| 06:05:13 | finkployd | I don't get the little "dial up" icon next to the volume control |
| 06:05:26 | rospahr | hehe thanks |
| 06:05:40 | sjohnson | finkployd: That must be the pppd control applet icon |
| 06:05:44 | finkployd | Although I DO have a dial up thingie created in network settings |
| 06:06:06 | sjohnson | Try tapping it. |
| 06:06:25 | finkployd | tapping it? |
| 06:07:26 | sjohnson | tap, press, hit, destroy... |
| 06:07:35 | sjohnson | You choose. :) |
| 06:07:54 | NeoTron | lo |
| 06:07:55 | sjohnson | The "dial up" icon |
| 06:07:59 | nasa | What the hell, why isn't usbd0 showing up? I only get lo |
| 06:08:21 | finkployd | I don't get a dial up icon when I install the modem |
| 06:09:05 | nasa | What subnet mask should I use for the Z? |
| 06:09:13 | finkployd | 255.255.255.0 |
| 06:09:34 | nasa | Shit, I have that right |
| 06:11:54 | nasa | Under the Network & Sync option it shows nothing under the current tab, shouldn't there be something there? |
| 06:14:33 | finkployd | nasa: Did you create a USB network service? |
| 06:14:47 | nasa | I am doing that now |
| 06:15:15 | finkployd | manualy set you ip address to be 192.168.129.201 |
| 06:16:34 | finkployd | hmmm, how can I tell it to dial up from the command line? |
| 06:16:58 | kyoorius | beams palm pilot info to the Z and cackles like Dr. Evil. mwahahah mwaahahaha! |
| 06:17:36 | nasa | ifconfig still doesn't show usbd0 |
| 06:18:12 | finkployd | does "network and sync" current tab show anything? |
| 06:18:22 | finkployd | really has to get to bed |
| 06:18:24 | NeoTron | so is the new rom kicking? |
| 06:18:31 | nasa | No, not a damn thing |
| 06:18:32 | finkployd | but I want this modem working dammit! :) |
| 06:18:36 | tux_mike | finally loads his new rom :) |
| 06:18:56 | finkployd | nasa: what do you have in your sync tab? |
| 06:19:41 | nasa | usb -ip address 192.168.129.201 |
| 06:19:54 | nasa | serial - ip address 192.168.130.101 |
| 06:20:10 | nasa | and an Apply button |
| 06:21:19 | finkployd | hmmm, I don't know what to tell you then |
| 06:21:58 | JasonNJ | I wonder what is holding mitchy up |
| 06:22:20 | JasonNJ | if I post on zauruszone before he posts in japan he is going to be royally pissed at me |
| 06:22:35 | Mallory | heh |
| 06:22:51 | finkployd | JasonNJ: I should be getting a dial up icon when I insert a modem right? |
| 06:23:03 | JasonNJ | I've never tried it that way |
| 06:23:23 | JasonNJ | I think you have to configure a PPP in the networking |
| 06:23:32 | finkployd | I did. |
| 06:23:48 | tux_mike | nuts. still cram? :) |
| 06:25:10 | JasonNJ | its gonna be cram for a while |
| 06:25:18 | JasonNJ | until we deal with the security issues |
| 06:25:28 | tux_mike | security? |
| 06:25:28 | sakha123 | cool, i juz wrote my first socket program for the Z, shud have a working Jabber client by this weekend |
| 06:25:33 | JasonNJ | dont want users doing rm -R * on their rootfs |
| 06:25:40 | tux_mike | hrm... |
| 06:28:31 | NeoTron | sakha123: you know of tkcjabber right? |
| 06:30:02 | kendrick2 | finally got Mah Jongg working |
| 06:30:07 | kendrick2 | then my batteries finally gave up :) |
| 06:30:33 | tux_mike | kendrick2: tkc mah jongg? |
| 06:30:36 | kendrick2 | yeah |
| 06:30:41 | nasa | finkfloyd, got something on the current tab (at last) -- but network still unreachable |
| 06:30:44 | kendrick2 | i had to install the mah jongg package onto SD _first_ |
| 06:30:51 | kendrick2 | then install thekompany package onto RAM _second_ |
| 06:31:00 | kendrick2 | and voila! it works. it's kinda slow, but it works, and it's purrrrty |
| 06:31:45 | tux_mike | why is it so slow? from runing off the SD? |
| 06:31:53 | nasa | what should bcast be? |
| 06:32:24 | roge99 | kendrick2: old data is compatible |
| 06:32:38 | kendrick2 | with 1-08 ? |
| 06:32:39 | mtm | Am I the only one who thinks this new ROM is slower in launching apps / opening documents (not a lot slower, but noticeable)? |
| 06:32:40 | ljp | geezz. no wonder why Mitchy quit the sharp forum.... |
| 06:32:55 | kendrick2 | mtm - what were you using before? |
| 06:32:57 | finkployd | I notice no speed difference |
| 06:32:57 | kendrick2 | ljp - what? |
| 06:33:03 | mtm | kendrick2: 1.02 |
| 06:33:08 | tux_mike | ljp: images aren't working with my progrm... but i'll figure that out later :) |
| 06:33:11 | finkployd | I DO notice my modem no longer works (grrr) :) |
| 06:33:12 | ljp | go to the Sharp dev forum... |
| 06:33:18 | kendrick2 | mtm - did you have any apps set to "stay running (uses more mem)"? |
| 06:33:22 | mtm | nope |
| 06:33:26 | roge99 | kendrick2: im assumeing 1/08 will work |
| 06:33:31 | kendrick2 | ljp - uh... ok :) |
| 06:33:38 | kendrick2 | roge99 - ok. well, will still have to wait til tomorrow :) |
| 06:33:44 | kendrick2 | zaurus went to bed :) |
| 06:33:57 | kendrick2 | good thing, probably... otherwise i'd be up all night fooling with it ;) |
| 06:34:09 | mtm | actually, it's not really the app launching as much as document opening closing |
| 06:34:11 | kendrick2 | ljp - can you summarize real quick? :) |
| 06:34:18 | roge99 | kendrick2: when you start up the datebook / addressbook seems they dont die when you close the gui |
| 06:34:32 | roge99 | kendrick2: addressbook -qcop /tmp/qcop-msg-addressbook |
| 06:34:38 | mtm | there is a very noticable pause when clicking on, for instance, a text file on the Documents tab and the time that the text editor opens up |
| 06:34:42 | roge99 | kendrick2: is still running |
| 06:34:45 | kendrick2 | roge99 - click-and-hold their icon |
| 06:34:47 | mtm | I don't recall it being like that before |
| 06:34:50 | kendrick2 | (in the launcher) |
| 06:35:12 | kendrick2 | you can turn that feature on or off... in the new roms (as of late dec. or the 1/08 one), a few typical apps are set up to not quit, for quicker response |
| 06:35:15 | kendrick2 | it's actually really nice :) |
| 06:35:30 | roge99 | kendrick2: ahh |
| 06:35:35 | mtm | maybe somebody did some bad tweaks to the QPEFileManager class or something |
| 06:35:50 | roge99 | kendrick2: well you cant copy the data over while its running |
| 06:36:16 | roge99 | kendrick2: ill try that |
| 06:36:29 | roge99 | kendrick2: but i locked it up .... again |
| 06:36:36 | kendrick2 | roge - hehe.. d'oh! :) |
| 06:36:49 | sjohnson | roge99: Tap and hold the icon under launch to get to the properties dialog |
| 06:37:02 | roge99 | yea didnt think of that |
| 06:37:42 | finkployd | Dammit! I think my modem is fried. Every time I put it in, cardmgr ident returns something different |
| 06:37:46 | roge99 | yep fast load was checked |
| 06:37:50 | finkployd | That's it, I'm going to bed :) |
| 06:37:53 | finkployd | Later all |
| 06:37:57 | kendrick2 | cya fp |
| 06:38:19 | kendrick2 | ljp - finally getting to forums |
| 06:38:25 | kendrick2 | takes so long... this is why i dont use them :^P |
| 06:38:38 | kendrick2 | was it the dev2dev forum, or the pda xchange forum? |
| 06:39:32 | kendrick2 | ljp? |
| 06:39:41 | ljp | kendrick: whiners |
| 06:39:44 | ljp | :) |
| 06:40:04 | ljp | dev2dev |
| 06:40:17 | kendrick2 | sees some mean comment about english |
| 06:40:19 | roge99 | kendrick2: thanks |
| 06:40:25 | roge99 | works now |
| 06:40:27 | kendrick2 | well what, you want me to read all this crap?! :) |
| 06:40:38 | kendrick2 | i dont use the forums for a reason :) they're slow and a pain to use! :) |
| 06:41:02 | kendrick2 | so is mitchy on any of the mailing lists proper? (ie, zaurus-*@lists.sf.net)? |
| 06:41:32 | kendrick2 | has been totally pro-Zaurus on comp.sys.[handhelds/palmtops] lately :) |
| 06:42:03 | roge99 | kendrick2: you got the kompanys apps to install on sd ? |
| 06:42:25 | kendrick2 | yes |
| 06:42:29 | roge99 | how ? |
| 06:42:33 | kendrick2 | installed mahjong FIRST, onto SD |
| 06:42:40 | kendrick2 | then installed thekompany...ipk SECOND, onto RAM |
| 06:42:44 | kendrick2 | seemed to make it happy! |
| 06:42:45 | roge99 | ahh |
| 06:42:54 | roge99 | ill give that a wack |
| 06:42:59 | kendrick2 | you'd think theKompany ipk was a prereq :) |
| 06:43:02 | kendrick2 | good luck |
| 06:43:04 | ljp | god those people are pissingm eoff there... |
| 06:43:09 | roge99 | yea that what i did |
| 06:44:10 | kendrick2 | gimme some example quotes or urls :) |
| 06:44:16 | kendrick2 | i'll help beat them into submission :) |
| 06:44:33 | kendrick2 | roge99 - what did you do? think thekomp was a prereq? |
| 06:44:56 | roge99 | yep |
| 06:45:18 | kendrick2 | ok :) |
| 06:45:31 | kendrick2 | lemme (and shawn) know if the install works like it did for me |
| 06:45:34 | kendrick2 | i'm using 1/08 btw |
| 06:45:40 | BZFlag | wonders how long it will take to jffs2 1.10 ;-) |
| 06:45:49 | nasa | Why the hell doens't tcp/ip work!!! |
| 06:45:58 | roge99 | trying it now |
| 06:46:23 | BZFlag | will finish shipping TuxScreens first. then try out 1.10/1.11 |
| 06:47:45 | roge99 | mahjongg went into sd |
| 06:47:53 | roge99 | painter went into sd |
| 06:48:08 | kendrick2 | kewlio |
| 06:48:13 | NeoTron | TuxScreens? |
| 06:48:13 | nasa | cya |
| 06:48:22 | roge99 | tkcapital went into sd |
| 06:48:22 | kendrick2 | BZflag - how much are those again? |
| 06:48:28 | kendrick2 | roge - sounding good :) |
| 06:48:37 | kendrick2 | you get the $50 all you can eat? :) |
| 06:48:43 | roge99 | yep |
| 06:49:03 | roge99 | explorer ... |
| 06:49:08 | kendrick2 | S3nd me jor warez! |
| 06:49:42 | roge99 | jabber shits |
| 06:49:42 | NeoTron | what is your favorite open source QT application? |
| 06:49:51 | roge99 | editor .. sd |
| 06:49:55 | kendrick2 | jabber no SD? |
| 06:50:02 | ljp | hehehe I have hancom on my new rom :) |
| 06:50:05 | kendrick2 | includes a daemon... hmm |
| 06:50:12 | roge99 | jabber is the only one that wouldn't install in sd |
| 06:50:12 | kendrick2 | ljp - the new rom has hancom? CRAP :( |
| 06:50:17 | ljp | nope |
| 06:50:20 | Triskelios | NeoTron: kvirc. of course, I code for it, too.. |
| 06:50:24 | ljp | I transferred it |
| 06:50:26 | kendrick2 | oh! GOOD! the 1/08 one did. waste of my space :) |
| 06:50:27 | NeoTron | Jason said they had problems |
| 06:50:36 | NeoTron | Triskelios: eek. :) /me used xchat |
| 06:50:42 | ljp | presenter was a waste |
| 06:50:44 | NeoTron | kvirc didn't work too great for me when I used it |
| 06:50:49 | kendrick2 | i can wait for hancom :) i dont really use spreadsheets at ALL, let alone on a PDA ;) ;) |
| 06:50:51 | NeoTron | but then again that was years ago |
| 06:50:59 | kendrick2 | it IS a nifty selling point for the hardcore PDA junkies, tho |
| 06:51:01 | Drago | ljp, share? :) |
| 06:51:17 | ljp | sorry.. hancom is proprietary |
| 06:51:20 | kendrick2 | "yeah, sure it's got a spreadsheet! [click] hang on... it's loading. any minute now. yep. ah, wait! no... ok! there it is!" |
| 06:51:42 | kendrick2 | think sharp's gonna do some deal to make it free? :) (ie, pay hancom oodles, like they probably did opera) |
| 06:51:44 | Triskelios | NeoTron: it works pretty well now, and kvirc3 builds on win32 also.. |
| 06:51:52 | kendrick2 | crap - daily show on in 5 mins |
| 06:53:13 | kendrick2 | posts about thekompany.com on comp.sys.[palm/hand] |
| 06:56:09 | JasonNJ | fbvncserver is busted in the new sharp rom |
| 06:56:18 | kendrick2 | runs to watch tv |
| 06:56:19 | kendrick2 | byebye! |
| 06:56:25 | JasonNJ | doesnt control, only views |
| 07:10:23 | ep0ch | morning |
| 07:10:52 | ep0ch | do i want 1.11? |
| 07:11:38 | ep0ch | or 1.10 |
| 07:13:14 | roge99 | i went for the 1.11 |
| 07:13:25 | ep0ch | smaller FS? |
| 07:13:30 | roge99 | yep |
| 07:13:39 | ep0ch | cool thats the one i want then |
| 07:13:45 | roge99 | i got a sd card |
| 07:13:55 | roge99 | loaded as much there as possible |
| 07:14:10 | roge99 | /dev/ram1 44 25 19 57% /dev |
| 07:14:10 | roge99 | /dev/mtdblock1 5371 4124 940 81% /home |
| 07:14:10 | roge99 | /dev/mmcda1 61922 40170 21752 65% /usr/mnt.rom/card |
| 07:14:40 | ep0ch | sweet |
| 07:14:47 | roge99 | # free |
| 07:14:48 | roge99 | total used free shared buffers |
| 07:14:48 | roge99 | Mem: 24112 23548 564 0 1200 |
| 07:14:48 | roge99 | Swap: 0 0 0 |
| 07:14:48 | roge99 | Total: 24112 23548 564 |
| 07:15:27 | ep0ch | how different to 1.02 is it? |
| 07:15:42 | roge99 | way |
| 07:16:02 | ep0ch | is Hancom included? |
| 07:16:28 | roge99 | no hancom |
| 07:16:35 | ep0ch | Tetris? |
| 07:16:43 | roge99 | hmmm let me look |
| 07:17:01 | roge99 | no |
| 07:17:11 | ep0ch | i'm disappointed already ;) |
| 07:18:54 | roge99 | well im off to bed |
| 07:18:56 | roge99 | nite all |
| 07:19:06 | ep0ch | laters |
| 07:19:29 | roge99_sleep | is away: zzZZZZzzzZz |
| 07:26:47 | kyoorius | hrmm. what's with the ip# change in v1.11 - not mentioned in the changelog. |
| 07:29:07 | ljp | you can change it |
| 07:29:36 | kyoorius | i did initially have a problem with my windows box being on the NAT subnet 192.168.1.x, but i changed the netmask of the MCCI driver interface to 255.255.255.128, and that solved the conflict. |
| 07:31:21 | ljp | you might also want to update the Zaurus usb driver for windows |
| 07:31:45 | kyoorius | there are up to date ones? |
| 07:31:49 | kyoorius | where, on the sharp site? |
| 07:33:19 | ljp | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp |
| 07:33:30 | kyoorius | man, im not thrilled about having to set up net routes and ifconfig ip#'s via that tiny crippled Z keyboard. |
| 07:33:46 | ljp | use ssh |
| 07:33:57 | ljp | or use jumpx |
| 07:34:01 | kyoorius | can't until i set up the network. |
| 07:34:11 | ljp | ahhh.. |
| 07:34:31 | ljp | can't you just ftp into it? |
| 07:34:46 | kyoorius | not until the net is setup |
| 07:34:54 | kyoorius | my windows is still using 192.168.1.200 |
| 07:35:00 | kyoorius | but the updated rom has a different ip. |
| 07:35:08 | kyoorius | i guess i could just change my netmask and reboot windows. |
| 07:35:22 | ljp | which windows? |
| 07:35:28 | kyoorius | 98 |
| 07:35:45 | ljp | ahh.. win2k you wouldn't have to reboot to change ip's |
| 07:36:10 | kyoorius | ya |
| 07:37:03 | AelfAFK | cheat and use windows to upload a route script to the z |
| 07:38:43 | kyoorius | hrm. bizarre. |
| 07:39:10 | kyoorius | when i pull the Z out of the cradle, and change the ip via ifconfig , then put it back in the cradle, it resets to the old ip. |
| 07:39:25 | AelfAFK | the hotplug script |
| 07:40:00 | kyoorius | and i cant type on the kdb while its in the cradle.. |
| 07:40:18 | AelfAFK | yeah that was a silly design mistake |
| 07:40:37 | AelfAFK | edit the hotplug script while its out? |
| 07:40:52 | kyoorius | someone will come up with a usb or serial cable for it. |
| 07:41:16 | kyoorius | i just used the up-array in the console, to repeat the last few commands. |
| 07:41:33 | kyoorius | it was ez to ifconfig usbd0 down; ifconfig 192.168.1.201 usbd0 |
| 07:41:34 | kyoorius | heh. |
| 07:41:42 | kyoorius | (while it was in the cradle) |
| 07:42:57 | AelfAFK | ah up arrow rocks |
| 07:43:01 | kyoorius | where's the hotplug script? |
| 07:43:21 | AelfAFK | /etc/hotplub/somegilenamelike-usbd... |
| 07:43:22 | kyoorius | my in.telnetd doesnt seem to be responding.. |
| 07:43:54 | AelfAFK | after the on/off cradle I usually have to reset the routes on my linux box too |
| 07:44:09 | kyoorius | strange |
| 07:44:34 | AelfAFK | err /etc/hotplug |
| 07:45:08 | kyoorius | dhcpd.conf |
| 07:45:30 | AelfAFK | ah thats how they fixed the windows setup |
| 07:45:40 | AelfAFK | added dhcp |
| 07:46:00 | AelfAFK | wonder if telling dhcp to listen would work on linux too |
| 07:46:36 | AelfAFK | ok I must go to bed. have fun and good luck. |
| 07:46:41 | kyoorius | thnx |
| 07:46:43 | kyoorius | u 2 |
| 07:47:21 | AelfZonked | I suppose it would not working in my case because I already have a 192.168.1 network poor choice there o( |
| 07:48:38 | kyoorius | i just changed the netmask for the MCCI device to 255.255.255.128 |
| 07:48:51 | kyoorius | and kept all my pc ip's in the lower half |
| 07:49:53 | kyoorius | whats the root passwd in the new ROM? |
| 07:50:02 | kyoorius | how annoying! |
| 07:50:09 | AelfZonked | should be no passwood still I hope |
| 07:50:26 | kyoorius | oh duh. cant telnet in as root. |
| 07:50:49 | AelfZonked | anyway now I am really running off o) |
| 08:24:07 | scribe | ok, I'm excited about this thing. |
| 08:24:22 | scribe | what apps have you guys written? |
| 08:24:31 | scribe | I did a book reader |
| 08:27:35 | ljp | what sort of book reader? |
| 08:28:10 | scribe | Well, it works for dictionaries / lexica / versified texts (Bibles mostly) / critical commentaries |
| 08:28:25 | scribe | and general book support is in the engine, but not finished in the UI yet |
| 08:28:37 | scribe | need to figure out how to use tree controls in qt |
| 08:28:39 | ljp | ahh I wrote gutenbrowser and ported it to qtopia |
| 08:29:04 | scribe | cool! What is it? |
| 08:29:24 | ljp | http://sourceforge.net/projects/gutenbrowser |
| 08:30:44 | scribe | really cool. |
| 08:30:50 | scribe | does it use qt? |
| 08:30:58 | scribe | (well, the qtopia version must) |
| 08:30:59 | scribe | :) |
| 08:31:18 | scribe | Does it know about entries in the table of contents? |
| 08:31:31 | scribe | (I don't know how it would) |
| 08:31:39 | ljp | yep qt |
| 08:31:46 | scribe | I wish the gutenberg guys would mark their stuff up more. |
| 08:32:15 | ljp | table of contents? |
| 08:32:23 | scribe | The guys at CCEL have the right idea, but they still haven't finished the markup for most of their texts |
| 08:32:29 | scribe | for each book. |
| 08:32:37 | scribe | (looking at your screenshot) |
| 08:32:41 | ljp | there's 3000 gutenberg texts |
| 08:32:44 | scribe | right. |
| 08:32:52 | scribe | sorry, not expressing well. |
| 08:33:00 | ljp | who would volunteer to mark those up? |
| 08:33:07 | scribe | most books have toc. Can use use the toc to just to a point in a book |
| 08:33:25 | scribe | same people who volunteer to scan, etc. |
| 08:33:48 | scribe | see www.ccel.org |
| 08:33:51 | ljp | hmmmm. I like the simplisity of plain text |
| 08:35:02 | ljp | gutenbrowser has a search/find function |
| 08:35:29 | scribe | right, but no markup means no computer readable meta info about the books: DRM, TOC, cf, etc. |
| 08:36:02 | scribe | your app looks nice. |
| 08:36:27 | ljp | thanks. |
| 08:36:48 | scribe | When my general book support is done, one will have to at least divide the text of a book into TOC sections to create a module. |
| 08:37:08 | scribe | It currently supports compressed drivers and encryption also. |
| 08:38:03 | ljp | well, keep hackin' I have to go to sleep... |
| 08:41:45 | scribe | ljp: g'nite! |
| 10:46:07 | MazterVIP | have anyone made a package of opera? |
| 10:48:42 | MazterVIP | (a ipkg package) |
| 10:54:45 | BZFlag | MazterVIP: not distributable. |
| 10:55:23 | BZFlag | MazterVIP: see the buildroot-oz on openzaurus for scripts to extract the files from a romimage. |
| 11:26:06 | fatalerror | i am new to Zaurus, i heard it is an browser for embedded systems. can i use it for commercial purpose |
| 11:30:19 | file | fatalerror: huh? |
| 11:53:25 | Kopsis | is back (gone 13:53:09) |
| 12:48:37 | extremis | so, what is the difference between 1.10 and 1.11? |
| 12:51:36 | extremis | 26mb heap and 6meg ramdisk in 1.11, what does 1.10 have? |
| 12:51:56 | sean | 16/16 |
| 12:52:20 | extremis | more heap is better for running apps? |
| 12:52:45 | extremis | ramdisk is a FS for storage |
| 12:52:51 | sean | i guess its mainly aimed at java devel folks |
| 12:52:54 | extremis | since I have external media then I need more heap |
| 12:53:05 | sean | thats what i figure too, i'm doing 1.11 |
| 12:54:23 | Guest | hiyall, can anyone rccomend a usable telnet or ssh client for use on the Sl5000 |
| 12:55:17 | sean | usable? |
| 12:55:37 | Guest | sorry, one that works!! |
| 12:56:00 | sean | does the telnet client that comes with it not work? (i haven't tried it yet, no networking) |
| 12:56:13 | extremis | wonders what all is in the backup file |
| 12:56:50 | extremis | heh, its a targz |
| 12:58:24 | extremis | yes I don't see any address book files |
| 12:58:28 | extremis | s/yes/yet |
| 12:58:38 | extremis | wonders where it recovers that from |
| 13:46:53 | bipolar | is back (gone 09:25:26) |
| 13:55:05 | roge99_sleep | is back (gone 06:35:37) |
| 13:55:32 | roge99 | mornin everybody |
| 13:59:43 | roge99-z | the jabber client from the kompany is sweet |
| 14:00:59 | roge99 | kergoth: you around ?? |
| 14:02:01 | | kergoth was last seen on #zaurus 14 hours, 25 minutes and 43 seconds ago, saying: hah [Mon Feb 4 23:36:18 2002] |
| 14:02:01 | roge99 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 14:08:59 | Nightvisi | anybody get the new ROM? |
| 14:11:30 | roge99 | yea |
| 14:11:39 | Nightvisi | how is it |
| 14:11:53 | roge99 | nice -- lots o new stuff |
| 14:12:15 | Nightvisi | is it built on ssh |
| 14:12:32 | roge99 | no ssh out the box |
| 14:12:42 | roge99 | install the ipk from SF |
| 14:12:52 | Nightvisi | hmm ok |
| 14:29:40 | Hellaenergy | Wherer is the new rom! |
| 14:29:46 | Hellaenergy | what happend? |
| 14:29:55 | Nightvisi | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp |
| 14:30:00 | roge99 | http://www.zauruszone.com/files/SL5UpdateV110.zip |
| 14:30:04 | Nightvisi | both of em are there |
| 14:30:14 | roge99 | i do belive so |
| 14:30:18 | Hellaenergy | Thanks |
| 14:30:46 | Nightvisi | roge99: which one did you install 1.11 or 1.10? |
| 14:30:52 | roge99 | 1.11 |
| 14:31:01 | Nightvisi | cool thats the one I just did also |
| 14:31:44 | Hellaenergy | How are they? |
| 14:32:26 | roge99 | nice |
| 14:32:33 | Nightvisi | booting up right now |
| 14:33:10 | Hellaenergy | Do you thing 1.10 would work on the 5000? |
| 14:33:27 | roge99 | they both work on the 5000 |
| 14:33:30 | Hellaenergy | I don't understand that ram stuff |
| 14:33:42 | Hellaenergy | heap this ramdisk that... |
| 14:33:47 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 14:33:58 | roge99 | 1.11 has 5/26 split 1.10 16/16 or so |
| 14:34:14 | Hellaenergy | what does that mean I'm asking |
| 14:34:28 | roge99 | home filesystem on 1.11 is 5 MB ram is 26 MB |
| 14:34:41 | roge99 | home filesystem on 1.10 is 16 MB ram is 16 MB |
| 14:34:48 | roge99 | or so |
| 14:35:08 | roge99 | one meg gets gobbled up by the kernel i think |
| 14:35:15 | Hellaenergy | hm |
| 14:35:53 | Hellaenergy | What is the advantage of 110? |
| 14:36:04 | Nightvisi | ok OZ needs to come out with one next |
| 14:36:06 | roge99 | more space on system |
| 14:36:16 | roge99 | if you have no sd/cf |
| 14:36:43 | Hellaenergy | It is all clear to me now :) |
| 14:37:04 | Hellaenergy | thanks again |
| 14:37:56 | Nightvisi | why can"t sharp just include the screen rotate :/ |
| 14:39:36 | Kopsis | Has anyone gotten CDCEther to work with the new ROMs? |
| 14:39:42 | Hellaenergy | I know since that engineer marvel of putting the irDa on the side even :(* |
| 14:40:01 | Hellaenergy | Is the qtiopia desktop for Linux updated? |
| 14:40:57 | Kopsis | Hellaenergy: I don't think so. |
| 14:41:39 | Hellaenergy | wtf |
| 14:41:50 | Hellaenergy | tckma |
| 14:42:01 | Hellaenergy | $#@^@%#! |
| 14:42:55 | Hellaenergy | With all that time we should all be getting beer of the month club :) |
| 14:43:24 | bipolar | Opie is going to have it's own sync software. :) |
| 14:43:47 | Hellaenergy | Oh good job then, bipolar |
| 14:44:10 | Hellaenergy | Cheers to Opie! |
| 14:44:21 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: it's going to start with syncing for KDE apps, and then plugins for other data. |
| 14:44:22 | Hellaenergy | Wait its too early for that :) |
| 14:44:34 | Hellaenergy | KDE?! |
| 14:44:39 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: there is already code, it's just not in our CVS yet. |
| 14:44:46 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: yes. |
| 14:45:07 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: Specificly. KAB, Korganizer, Kmail, and Knode. |
| 14:45:08 | Hellaenergy | I guess I will have to work on Gnome |
| 14:45:17 | roge99 | bipolar: koragnizer is just vCal right ? |
| 14:45:30 | Hellaenergy | Evolution |
| 14:45:41 | bipolar | roge99: I don't think so. It can export it though. |
| 14:45:48 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 14:46:12 | Hellaenergy | You guys seem like you working hard over there at Opie, bipolar :) |
| 14:46:17 | roge99 | someone was using my evo-sync script withit and said it worked fine |
| 14:46:19 | bipolar | roge99: yeah! You wrote that script for me. :) |
| 14:46:30 | roge99 | which one |
| 14:46:35 | bipolar | roge99: I had to export vcal to get it to work. |
| 14:46:39 | roge99 | ahh |
| 14:47:00 | roge99 | wasnt that the addressbook |
| 14:47:03 | bipolar | roge99: you wrote that script to do KAB dumping into addressbook too. |
| 14:47:51 | roge99 | i got mail (and a patch ) from this guy who said he was using it on korganizer |
| 14:48:12 | bipolar | roge99: could you mail me the script? |
| 14:48:22 | roge99 | its on sf |
| 14:48:36 | bipolar | roge99: the patched one? zaurus.sf.net? |
| 14:48:40 | roge99 | yep |
| 14:48:51 | roge99 | v0.04 |
| 14:49:17 | roge99 | ########## |
| 14:49:17 | roge99 | # what ical compatible file do you want to sync? |
| 14:49:17 | roge99 | # |
| 14:49:17 | roge99 | $ical_file="$ENV{HOME}/evolution/local/Calendar/calendar.ics"; |
| 14:49:17 | roge99 | #$ical_file="$ENV{HOME}/.kde2/share/apps/korganizer/mike.ics"; |
| 14:49:40 | roge99 | says it works fine for him --- except kills todo's |
| 14:50:18 | roge99 | bipolar: what are you writeing the sync stuff in |
| 14:50:28 | bipolar | roge99: well, there is a sepreate todo list anyway.... |
| 14:50:35 | roge99 | yea |
| 14:50:42 | roge99 | there is w/ evo as well |
| 14:50:51 | bipolar | roge99: I'm not writing it. zecke is. |
| 14:50:59 | bipolar | roge99: hes useing qt3 |
| 14:51:27 | roge99 | but according to him its stored in the same file ( todo mixed in w/ cal items ) |
| 14:52:00 | bipolar | roge99: Yeah, on the PC. But QPE holds it in seperate files, right? |
| 14:52:07 | roge99 | yea |
| 14:52:24 | roge99 | evo holds it seperate files as well |
| 14:52:40 | peanut | waves |
| 14:53:05 | bipolar | hi peanut |
| 14:53:10 | ljp | heheheh my AvantGo stylus/pen just got laundered... ! |
| 14:53:33 | peanut | likes 1.11 |
| 14:53:38 | roge99 | bipolar: there should be a sync daemon on the pc and on the z |
| 14:53:47 | peanut | however, the media player is not as stable as it is in oz |
| 14:54:15 | roge99 | bipolar: the one on the pc should be modular -- plugins for what desktop pim your using |
| 14:55:35 | Hellaenergy | What is CTRL-D on the z again? |
| 14:56:24 | bipolar | roge99: that is what we are planning. |
| 14:56:30 | roge99 | cool |
| 14:56:40 | roge99 | bipolar: i would love to help |
| 14:56:56 | bipolar | roge99: talk to zecke in #opie. He's the man. :) |
| 14:57:18 | Hellaenergy | Man an Erorr occured durring the file system check; |
| 14:57:22 | Hellaenergy | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:57:30 | roge99 | bipolar: yea.... my C is well ..... lets say not quite there |
| 14:57:49 | bipolar | roge99: any input would be helpfull. |
| 14:58:09 | roge99 | bipolar: yea thats about what i could do |
| 14:58:32 | roge99 | bipolar: i could prototype in perl :-) |
| 14:58:53 | roge99 | bipolar: backend stuff that is |
| 14:59:04 | bipolar | roge99: that would be fine. There is nothing that says plugins can't be written in perl. |
| 14:59:13 | roge99 | bipolar: true |
| 14:59:35 | bipolar | roge99: zecke is waiting for you in #opie.... :) |
| 14:59:49 | roge99 | ok |
| 15:08:12 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 15:08:24 | peanut | has anyone managed to get the 1.11 rom to connect to linux over cdcether? |
| 15:10:57 | Kopsis | peanut: I'm fighting with it now ... no luck yet |
| 15:11:01 | peanut | wait.. |
| 15:11:08 | peanut | i think we need to define it |
| 15:12:29 | Kopsis | peanut: how so? |
| 15:12:43 | peanut | in network/sync |
| 15:12:47 | peanut | add usb/tcp-ip service |
| 15:13:15 | Kopsis | I just tried that ... no luck |
| 15:13:56 | Kopsis | ifconfig on the Z shows usbd0 is up with the right IP ... |
| 15:14:30 | Kopsis | CDCEther detects the Z and sets up eth1 on the desktop ... |
| 15:14:44 | peanut | thats more than i have.. |
| 15:14:46 | Kopsis | but I still can't ping. |
| 15:15:05 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 15:15:25 | peanut | if i click on usb/tcp-ip and then click on properties. |
| 15:15:27 | peanut | it hangs.. |
| 15:15:57 | peanut | damn.. |
| 15:16:00 | peanut | 1.11 is buggy |
| 15:16:38 | Kopsis | I can get into the usb/tcp-ip props ok on 1.11 |
| 15:16:46 | peanut | i can't |
| 15:16:49 | peanut | its fubar |
| 15:17:02 | Nightvisi | i'm in too |
| 15:17:38 | kergoth | re |
| 15:18:47 | peanut | hrmm.. |
| 15:19:02 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 15:19:54 | peanut | wait.. |
| 15:19:59 | peanut | remove usb tcp/ip |
| 15:20:38 | peanut | check that.. |
| 15:21:00 | Kopsis | trying ... |
| 15:21:44 | peanut | if you add usb/tcpip as a service, it wipes out your sync setting ip.. |
| 15:22:00 | peanut | you then need to reconfigure it back into the properties of usb/tcpip |
| 15:22:50 | peanut | hrmm.. 6 errors, 6 dropped |
| 15:23:09 | peanut | does anyone have an unpatched cdcether handy? |
| 15:23:47 | peanut | tries an unpatched version.. |
| 15:25:18 | Kopsis | Removing usb tcp/ip gives me no change. Everything comes up but 100% packet loss. |
| 15:32:39 | bipolar | Where can I get the screenshot app that the Zaurus uses? |
| 15:34:21 | peanut | a redhat guy |
| 15:34:59 | dkl | hello |
| 15:35:32 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 13:13:45) |
| 15:43:28 | kergoth | mornin shawn |
| 15:43:31 | kergoth | yawns |
| 15:43:58 | BigBoss | hey kergoth |
| 15:44:02 | BigBoss | what's new and exciting? |
| 15:44:12 | BigBoss | our embedded software has proven very popular so far :) |
| 15:44:31 | kergoth | yes, i've noticed :-) I'll have to pick up that bundle myself |
| 15:46:04 | Jag|Lap | Anyone know if the Zaurus wills support and GSRP (G3) CF cards? |
| 15:48:19 | peanut | argh.. |
| 15:48:51 | roge99 | BigBoss: hey i got everything to load in sd except the jabber client |
| 15:49:13 | BigBoss | what happened? |
| 15:49:22 | BigBoss | we haven't actually tested with an SD card yet |
| 15:49:55 | roge99 | BigBoss: ipkg pissed and moand |
| 15:50:22 | bipolar | can't wait for the new ipkg to be released... |
| 15:50:32 | roge99 | BigBoss: everything seems to work fine |
| 15:50:42 | roge99 | BigBoss: on the 1.11 rom |
| 15:50:58 | peanut | you can't sync to linux with the 1.11 rom though.. |
| 15:51:22 | roge99 | my evo-sync scrip still works ! |
| 15:51:33 | BigBoss | if you haev any specific details please send them to max@thekompany.com |
| 15:51:40 | BigBoss | I'm not sure if he can get an SD card in moscow |
| 15:52:03 | roge99 | BigBoss: i didnt really dig i just installed it in ram and lived with it |
| 15:52:18 | kergoth | bipolar: what features are they adding? |
| 15:52:51 | bipolar | kergoth: Rewrite in C. Able to load ipk's and deb's. |
| 15:53:02 | bipolar | kergoth: It will be much, much faster. |
| 15:53:17 | kergoth | excellent. |
| 15:53:35 | bipolar | kergoth: The goal is to move away from ipk's and to deb's |
| 15:59:37 | peanut | is anyone syncing 1.11 with linux? |
| 15:59:48 | peanut | or at least can you ping from the linux box |
| 16:02:52 | sean | drat. |
| 16:03:07 | sean | notes, they're not kidding when they say you can't update the rom w/o being connected to AC. |
| 16:05:49 | dkl | Anyone know if the new roms coming our soonish are the same or better than the one they were giving out at LinuxWorld Expo? |
| 16:06:22 | Drago | dkl, the one we got at LE was ancient |
| 16:06:43 | Nightvisi | new ROM here |
| 16:06:45 | sean | drago, apparently they were flashing some folks to the new version @ lwce. |
| 16:06:47 | Nightvisi | as of last night |
| 16:06:49 | Nightvisi | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp |
| 16:06:49 | dkl | Drago: ok. For some reson when running sysinfo, I get 0.0d as the Rom Version. Anyone else seeing that? |
| 16:07:01 | Drago | sean, oh crapola :( |
| 16:07:06 | Drago | sean, i missed out on that too |
| 16:07:10 | sean | me too. |
| 16:07:20 | Drago | i want hancom :( |
| 16:07:25 | sean | me too. |
| 16:07:28 | sean | anyway, lunch time. |
| 16:07:28 | sean | bbl |
| 16:07:48 | Drago | dkl, i flashed mine the minute i got home, dont remember. sorry. |
| 16:08:02 | dkl | Drago: The rom that was on the unit out of the box at LWE was from November. One of the kind ladies there had a CF card with a newer ROM that had the Hancom Office suite on it that she flashed to my unit for me |
| 16:08:06 | mandrake | oh so the update is finally out :) |
| 16:08:17 | Drago | dkl, wtf :( |
| 16:08:23 | sjohnson | read Topic! |
| 16:08:26 | Drago | dkl, what a rip off! |
| 16:08:41 | Drago | dkl, give drago hancom :) |
| 16:09:06 | dkl | Drago: the Hancom stuff she said was very Alpha quality but I havent found any real problems with it. |
| 16:09:18 | dkl | Is there any way to pull off a ROM that is currently on the unit? |
| 16:09:28 | kergoth | dkl: dd |
| 16:09:50 | kergoth | dkl: at least, you can get the root filesystem, cant get the kernel or bootloader or anything easily |
| 16:09:52 | dkl | kergoth: ok |
| 16:10:09 | Drago | i still dont have enough free memory to view my images from my digital camera |
| 16:10:17 | Drago | and the swap is way too slow :( |
| 16:10:33 | Drago | i should try 1.11 |
| 16:10:45 | dkl | Looks like the new 1.10 is the same as they were giving out at LWE |
| 16:10:56 | dkl | 1.11 just has the memory rearrangement changes |
| 16:11:07 | Drago | dkl, 1.10 does not have hancom |
| 16:11:21 | dkl | nope |
| 16:12:33 | peanut | notes that you can not connect (so far) to your linux box with 1.11 (I imagine with 1.10 as well) |
| 16:12:56 | Drago | you cant? |
| 16:13:01 | Drago | tries |
| 16:13:51 | peanut | is bummed |
| 16:15:20 | Drago | well thats interesting |
| 16:15:26 | Drago | RX errors on the | |
| 16:15:27 | Drago | Z |
| 16:15:42 | dkl | peanut: what is the Qtopia build date reported in sysinfo? |
| 16:16:30 | peanut | 2-4-02 |
| 16:16:43 | JasonNJ-shrp | heya. |
| 16:16:47 | peanut | jason! |
| 16:16:48 | dkl | peanut: thanks. The one from the show says Jan25 |
| 16:16:57 | peanut | i can't connect from my linux box to the Z anymore.. |
| 16:16:59 | dkl | so it is newer |
| 16:17:02 | JasonNJ-shrp | well, it appears that the new roms have a problem syncing with intellisync |
| 16:17:10 | JasonNJ-shrp | which is why you do not see them officially posted |
| 16:17:15 | peanut | ahh.. |
| 16:17:22 | peanut | is that why i can't connect from linux either? |
| 16:17:28 | JasonNJ-shrp | but it appears to be an intellistnc problem and not a rom problem |
| 16:17:28 | Drago | cant get IP communication either |
| 16:17:38 | peanut | argh.. |
| 16:17:40 | JasonNJ-shrp | no the linux problem is spearate |
| 16:17:46 | JasonNJ-shrp | lineo is on that right now |
| 16:17:56 | peanut | so that will be addressed in another rom update? |
| 16:18:03 | JasonNJ-shrp | actually in drivers |
| 16:18:05 | JasonNJ-shrp | not in the rom |
| 16:18:07 | JasonNJ-shrp | the rom is fine |
| 16:18:11 | peanut | sweet |
| 16:18:18 | Drago | wonders how he is going to flash a new rom with no network support |
| 16:18:20 | peanut | be careful.. you might give yourself an ulcer! |
| 16:20:11 | JasonNJ-shrp | peanut: they are still debating what my title is |
| 16:20:13 | JasonNJ-shrp | :) |
| 16:20:30 | JasonNJ-shrp | I think my cards are going to say Jason-San on it |
| 16:20:36 | JasonNJ-shrp | thats my title around here |
| 16:20:55 | kergoth | hah. |
| 16:21:12 | mandrake | Drago: you dump it on compactflash. |
| 16:21:16 | mandrake | Drago: it's cake. |
| 16:21:41 | Drago | mandrake, and when my Z was my CF writer? :) |
| 16:22:03 | sjohnson | Get an IPAQ? |
| 16:22:06 | sjohnson | :) |
| 16:22:17 | Drago | have one, wanna buy it? its got a broken lcd |
| 16:22:26 | mandrake | Drago: do you have a laptop? |
| 16:22:30 | Drago | mandrake, yep |
| 16:22:34 | Drago | im thinking irda maybe |
| 16:22:36 | dkl | Drago: they sell the PCMCIA card readers for about `10 bucks or less |
| 16:22:44 | mandrake | then use your laptop for writing CF in your pcmcia adapter |
| 16:22:49 | mandrake | mount it as a disk |
| 16:22:55 | Drago | ah yes, i saw those at radioshack |
| 16:23:03 | Drago | that will wrk |
| 16:23:10 | treke | /back |
| 16:23:10 | mandrake | it's 100x faster to do that than use the usb networking. |
| 16:24:06 | mandrake | although I have yet to use CDCEther on my laptop with the zaurus, I do use usbnet with my ipaq |
| 16:24:24 | mandrake | and it's still a lot faster to unmount the cf and mount it on my laptop and copy it there |
| 16:25:31 | peanut | oh.. jason-san, any ideas when lineo will release driver? |
| 16:31:09 | Hellaenergy | All I got to say is.... The new ROM wonderful :) |
| 16:32:28 | Hellaenergy | I really wish they had released this earlier |
| 16:37:20 | Hellaenergy | Can someone give me the URL to the new ROMS? |
| 16:37:30 | Shunt | Which one should we be using, 1.11 or 1.10? |
| 16:37:45 | Nightvisi | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp |
| 16:37:56 | Hellaenergy | Nightvisi: Thanks :) |
| 16:37:59 | Nightvisi | np |
| 16:38:32 | Hellaenergy | Is it possible even to navigat from the index to that url? |
| 16:39:19 | Nightvisi | I think so if you serch hard enough |
| 16:40:51 | Hellaenergy | Its Hellaenergy proof I guess ;) |
| 16:44:33 | treke | and a decent image viewer |
| 16:48:18 | | kergoth was last seen on #opie 2 minutes and 26 seconds ago, saying: heh [Tue Feb 5 16:45:52 2002] |
| 16:48:18 | zero1 | ibot seen kergoth |
| 16:49:02 | kergoth | ? |
| 16:51:30 | finkployd | I KNEW I shouldn't have stayed up till 3 last night playing with the new ROM. I was too tired to go into work today |
| 16:53:12 | Hellaenergy | haahah |
| 16:53:45 | Hellaenergy | finkployd: I did that the night before. I know exactly how you feel. |
| 16:56:41 | Hellaenergy | Anyone know of a APOP client for Window$? |
| 16:58:05 | finkployd | crap, my modem is actually broken. I put 1.02 back on and it still fails. Lousy cheap Targus |
| 17:02:03 | sean | shweet.. my cf 802.11b card should be @ my house by the time i get home from work. |
| 17:02:21 | sean | hope it doesn't blow away.. freakin' windy here lately. |
| 17:03:56 | Hellaenergy | They still haven't put a Central Time zone in City Time app!? |
| 17:15:49 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:17:05 | Neo|Work | morning |
| 17:22:01 | BigBoss | so is the new rom out? |
| 17:22:10 | altered | I didn't see it. |
| 17:22:25 | BigBoss | where is there at least a current rom at? |
| 17:22:27 | roge99 | BigBoss: another new rom ?? |
| 17:22:29 | Nightvisi | sure is BB |
| 17:22:38 | altered | Nightvisi: where at? |
| 17:22:39 | BigBoss | something was supposed to come out yesterday |
| 17:22:39 | roge99 | other than 1.10 and 1.11 |
| 17:22:54 | Nightvisi | right here |
| 17:22:56 | Nightvisi | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/qa/test/check/download.asp |
| 17:23:11 | roge99 | or check out the topic |
| 17:23:14 | Nightvisi | came out last night |
| 17:23:54 | roge99 | BigBoss: you apps all run fine on them |
| 17:24:04 | bipolar | BigBoss: I just linked to you on Opie's website, and there is a screenshot of tckPainter in the screenshot section. |
| 17:24:12 | BigBoss | thanks :) |
| 17:24:57 | treke | BigBoss : there anyplace in particular to send bug reports? |
| 17:25:30 | BigBoss | bugs? you must be kidding - all of our software is bug free :) |
| 17:25:37 | BigBoss | send it to info@thekompany.com for now |
| 17:26:15 | treke | alright. I've got a semi regular crash in tkckaptital. Trying to see how to reproduce it consitantly |
| 17:27:11 | altered | is the only difference between 1.10 and 1.11 the heap allocation? |
| 17:29:17 | finkployd | yes |
| 17:31:25 | altered | can you sync the 1.02 ROM with the new USB MCCI Driver and Qtopia Desktop? |
| 17:31:25 | altered | (so I don't lose anything in the update?) |
| 17:32:16 | finkployd | I don't think so |
| 17:32:24 | finkployd | I somehow didn't lose anything in the update |
| 17:32:45 | dkl | finkployd: so when you updated, you still had your addresses, schedule, etc? |
| 17:32:48 | finkployd | I just uninstalled everything, and reinstalled it. My data was still there. |
| 17:32:49 | altered | finkployd: by syncing with the old software, upgrading everything and syncing again? |
| 17:32:54 | finkployd | Don't ask me how :) |
| 17:33:40 | BigBoss | tkcKapital has had sporadic problems with different roms - sometimes it works perfect then a new rom comes out and it doesn't work anymore |
| 17:34:34 | finkployd | Man I'm pissed about this modem. A $140 Targus CF modem, never mistreated (never even left the house), craps out after four days |
| 17:34:37 | treke | Good thing you've got a good upgrade policy :) |
| 17:34:49 | BigBoss | no kidding :) |
| 17:34:52 | altered | The only thing I'm gonna miss with the upgrade are the nice demo apps that BigBoss hooked me up with at the Symposium :) |
| 17:36:10 | finkployd | Hmm, it would be nice if there were a way to remove some of the things in the ROM image. I really don't need a mail client or to do list |
| 17:36:14 | altered | so, is the extra heap provided by the 1.11 ROM worth losing some storage space over? |
| 17:36:19 | finkployd | maybe make it more modular |
| 17:36:40 | kergoth | finkployd: i dont know about sharp's plans, but the next openzaurus release will be using a jffs2 filesystem.. writable flash |
| 17:36:41 | finkployd | altered: Not unless you are doing java development. |
| 17:36:45 | treke | BigBoss : any idea how upgrades will be handeled? |
| 17:37:03 | roge99 | kergoth: sweet |
| 17:37:16 | roge99 | kergoth: are ya gona use the 1.11 as a base |
| 17:37:18 | finkployd | kergoth: Will OZ's next build incorporate all the changes that 1.10 has? |
| 17:37:29 | treke | oh, I think I see now |
| 17:38:00 | kergoth | finkployd: well, I'm trying to avoid using sharps proprietary developments that they havent released to cvs, as it encourages their failure to do so |
| 17:38:41 | finkployd | I would expect it wouldn't have opera or java, but all the other goodies should be open sourced right? |
| 17:38:51 | finkployd | Like the IR stuff and filemanager updates? |
| 17:38:59 | kergoth | finkployd: a great many of sharp's changes to qtopia havent been released as source |
| 17:39:13 | finkployd | hmmm, interesting |
| 17:39:19 | kergoth | finkployd: indeed. |
| 17:39:31 | treke | finkployd : TrollTech wants to keep some goodies as a reseon to license through them |
| 17:39:43 | kergoth | finkployd: which one reason why we got annoyed and forked qtopia into opie |
| 17:39:46 | kergoth | treke: precisely |
| 17:39:47 | roge99 | has the ir stuff been released |
| 17:39:55 | kergoth | yawns |
| 17:40:10 | treke | is happy to get the source he's gotten |
| 17:40:44 | kergoth | treke: indeed, i was pleasantly surprised to see the various pieces going into qpe cvs recently |
| 17:41:00 | finkployd | yeah, I suppose there is no reason to pass judgement until all is said and done. They are still in development, and they seem to "get" open source so far. |
| 17:41:15 | bipolar | needs to get food before he passes out.... |
| 17:41:40 | bipolar_lunch | is away: going to pick up lunch |
| 17:48:53 | Shunt | The hancom apps aren't in these new roms? |
| 17:49:21 | finkployd | nope |
| 17:49:31 | finkployd | Jason said there was some issues with the hancom stuff |
| 17:49:45 | Shunt | ah... |
| 17:52:16 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:10:36) |
| 17:52:28 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 17:52:40 | peanut | any idea when the lineo drivers will be out to enable syncing with linux? |
| 17:55:56 | peanut | notes that he's had some problems playing videos with 1.11 that were not present in oz 2.x or 1.02 |
| 17:58:41 | Shunt | has never had a lot of success with videos |
| 17:59:21 | peanut | videos usually work great (from pocketmovies.net) |
| 17:59:43 | peanut | however, with 1.11, the audio plays fine, but the video stops playing in the middle |
| 17:59:53 | peanut | and causes the system to become unstable |
| 17:59:53 | Shunt | peanut: Weird... did that happen in 1.10? |
| 18:00:02 | Shunt | AND... did they improve the MP3 player at all? |
| 18:00:07 | finkployd | I made the mistake of letting my roommate play with it and he put some porn videos on it. They played fine |
| 18:00:33 | peanut | hasn't tried 1.10, shouldn't make a difference, 1.10 and 1.11 are identical, except 1.11 has more memory available to it.. |
| 18:00:39 | peanut | maybe too much memory is a bad thing *grin* |
| 18:00:50 | peanut | the MP3 player is improved |
| 18:01:01 | Shunt | peanut: How so? Describe it to me.. :) |
| 18:01:11 | peanut | don't you have the rom? |
| 18:01:28 | Shunt | I do. And I have a zaurus. I don't have the power cord here at work tho :( |
| 18:01:40 | peanut | one improvement is that it breaks out videos/audio/playlist onto three tabs |
| 18:02:12 | peanut | and shows more information (i.e. media type and size) |
| 18:02:27 | peanut | the player itself shows time information (i.e. 0.01 of 3:43) |
| 18:02:39 | peanut | so you can see how you're progressing in the song |
| 18:02:41 | Shunt | Yes... that's what I was lookin for... time information :) |
| 18:03:45 | peanut | the email client has imap4 capability! |
| 18:03:59 | Shunt | Are all the files in the same spots...? |
| 18:08:33 | ][N-Flux | so, what is better at this point OZ2.6 or the new update from Sharp? |
| 18:09:07 | finkployd | right now, sharp |
| 18:09:09 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: the new update from sharp is more feature rich at this point, id say |
| 18:09:34 | ][N-Flux | great, getting it now, just wanted to know before I upgraded |
| 18:09:36 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: though you cant do usb networking with a linux desktop with the sharp rom right now due to driver alterations |
| 18:09:44 | ][N-Flux | anyone get the pocket quake working? |
| 18:11:33 | Shunt | kergoth: No networking at all? |
| 18:12:04 | kergoth | Shunt: no usb networking between linux desktop and the Z with the new sharp rom. you can connect using networking over usb to a windows host with the new drivers |
| 18:12:38 | Drago | kergoth, the fix is on the host side or Z? |
| 18:12:48 | Drago | im guessing the host based on what you said |
| 18:12:54 | kergoth | Drago: the fix will be to the host side, to accomidate the change made on the Z side :-) |
| 18:13:03 | Shunt | kergoth: Where are the new drivers located? |
| 18:13:07 | Drago | ah |
| 18:13:18 | kergoth | Shunt: for windows? on the romimage page on the sharp dev site |
| 18:14:13 | BZFlag | kergoth: gotten back to testing the jffs2 kernel on OZ? |
| 18:15:44 | kergoth | BZFlag: actually, i just flashed that kernel with a jffs2 image to the z like 30 seconds ago to test |
| 18:15:46 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:16:13 | kergoth | BZFlag: hm. its hanging with the cursor flashing. no kernel messages ever printed |
| 18:17:02 | kergoth | fires up jffs2reader to verify that the mtds and mtdblock devices are in there |
| 18:17:14 | kergoth | yawns |
| 18:17:15 | kergoth | hmm |
| 18:17:29 | peanut | hmms at kergoth |
| 18:18:18 | ][N-Flux | here goes the update |
| 18:18:20 | Fastolfe | what ROM do I want if I don't care about Java ? 1.11 or 1.10 ? |
| 18:18:36 | kergoth | Fastolfe: either, they both include it. the only diff is a heap size diff |
| 18:18:40 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:18:50 | peanut | you'll have less useable space with 1.11 |
| 18:18:52 | peanut | but more ram |
| 18:18:58 | peanut | would say 1.11 |
| 18:19:00 | Fastolfe | yeah, that's my point : wouldn't 1.10 give me more ram for non-java things ? |
| 18:19:05 | peanut | no.. |
| 18:19:12 | peanut | 1.10 would give you more free space on the device |
| 18:19:14 | BZFlag | kergoth: feel free to turn virtual console back on. |
| 18:19:21 | kergoth | BZFlag: good idea |
| 18:19:24 | Fastolfe | k |
| 18:19:26 | peanut | 1.11 has only ~4MB free |
| 18:19:29 | Fastolfe | brb boss calls |
| 18:19:33 | BZFlag | kergoth: I am using that kernel on my 1.02 hack right now. works fine here. |
| 18:19:36 | Shunt | peanut how many MB? |
| 18:19:39 | kergoth | BZFlag: k |
| 18:19:47 | peanut | Shunt: about 4 on 1.11 |
| 18:19:54 | BZFlag | I'll do a 1.10/1.11 jffs2 hack soon and upload that someplace. ;-) |
| 18:20:02 | peanut | according to system info |
| 18:20:13 | peanut | 1.10 should have closer to 11-12 if i remember correctly |
| 18:20:48 | kergoth | hmm the clean target in configs/linux.mk is broken. better fix that |
| 18:21:18 | BZFlag | huh? my patch does not touch that does it? |
| 18:21:35 | kergoth | BZFlag: nope, my mistake, probably made a typo or something :-) |
| 18:21:42 | BZFlag | ok |
| 18:22:09 | BZFlag | as a sanity check you could flash the 1.02hack and then replace the kernel. that will insure that the kernel is ok. |
| 18:22:40 | kergoth | BZFlag: ah! good idea |
| 18:25:55 | BZFlag | kergoth: might also want to change the command line to have init=/bin/sh for starters then use "exec /sbin/init" or "exec /linuxrc" after you get to a shell. |
| 18:26:23 | kergoth | BZFlag: already did on the compile thats going right now ;-) |
| 18:26:30 | BZFlag | heh ;-) |
| 18:27:16 | BZFlag | so what does that hexstring say? 49206C6F76652041657269616E6 |
| 18:28:37 | BZFlag | "I love Aeriana" for the curious. |
| 18:37:12 | Mallory | man it's fucking cold out |
| 18:37:49 | peanut | BigBoss: what type of credit cards do you take? |
| 18:39:00 | Hellaenergy | The Calculator in ROM 1.11 sucks compared to OZ's |
| 18:39:38 | Hellaenergy | They still haven't fixed the Documents view making repeats either |
| 18:40:47 | BigBoss | peanut: all credit cards |
| 18:41:09 | Hellaenergy | Does anyone know if it is possible to connect to the internet from the z with this new driver for windows? |
| 18:41:23 | dkl_lunch | Hellaenergy: does the calc in OZ have more functionality that the standard one such as binary,hex calculations? |
| 18:41:34 | Hellaenergy | yup |
| 18:41:36 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: of course. |
| 18:41:38 | Hellaenergy | metric |
| 18:42:03 | Hellaenergy | american |
| 18:42:23 | Hellaenergy | Kergoth: of course what? |
| 18:42:42 | dkl_lunch | Hellaenergy: is it available separately in an ipkg somehere or is it only usable with the whole rom? |
| 18:43:13 | Hellaenergy | what oz's calc |
| 18:43:25 | dkl | Hellaenergy: yeah |
| 18:43:34 | dkl | It would be useful for CSC classes. |
| 18:43:37 | Fastolfe | did anybody try fbvncserver with the new ROM ? |
| 18:43:42 | Hellaenergy | Intellsync's file transfer sucks! |
| 18:43:58 | Hellaenergy | Not yet fastolfe |
| 18:44:02 | Fastolfe | k |
| 18:44:07 | Fastolfe | I'll do that too anyway |
| 18:44:44 | Hellaenergy | The splash screen at bootup ain't shit comared to OZ's :) |
| 18:44:58 | kergoth | dkl: opie.handhelds.org .. click on the packages, click on the ipaq feed, and download the opie-calculator ipk, install it |
| 18:45:20 | kergoth | dkl: it'll overwrite the symlinks to the files in the romimage, should work fine |
| 18:45:22 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: thanks :) |
| 18:45:22 | dkl | kergoth: thanks |
| 18:45:25 | kergoth | np |
| 18:47:06 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: What symlinks are you refering to? |
| 18:47:32 | Fastolfe | Is it just me or the sourceforge d/l stats don't work anymore ? |
| 18:48:32 | ep0ch | lo ppl |
| 18:49:03 | Hellaenergy | hello |
| 18:49:16 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: /opt/QtPalmtop/bin/ contains a shitload of symlinks to the corresponding files on the rom in /usr/QtPalmtop.rom/bin/ |
| 18:49:37 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: installing an opie ipk will overwrite those links. if you uninstall the ipk later and want the old calc back, you'd have to recreate them |
| 18:49:52 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: I shoudl say, it'll overwrite the links that are for the calculator :-) |
| 18:49:53 | ep0ch | bogus... i gotta reload all me apps in me Z now... |
| 18:49:57 | scribe_ | anyone know how to get stl apps to compile with the toolchain? |
| 18:50:00 | kergoth | ep0ch: hate that |
| 18:50:15 | kergoth | scribe_: what do you mean? |
| 18:50:21 | ep0ch | yeah the new calculator is pants!!! |
| 18:50:35 | Hellaenergy | I won't be using this piece of crap again ;) |
| 18:50:46 | Hellaenergy | sorry to it creator :) |
| 18:50:50 | Hellaenergy | its |
| 18:51:04 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: tried the opie calc in that rom yet? i want to verify binary compatibility has been maintained |
| 18:51:09 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:51:14 | Hellaenergy | one sec |
| 18:51:16 | ep0ch | is FTP still running on 4242???? |
| 18:51:17 | kergoth | k |
| 18:51:48 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: You might need to force the install of the ipk if it tries to find opie-base. |
| 18:51:52 | Hellaenergy | no |
| 18:52:04 | Hellaenergy | force install how? |
| 18:52:05 | kergoth | bipolar: good point |
| 18:52:06 | treke | oh lord no! minesweeper is broken |
| 18:52:15 | ep0ch | is FTP running at all? |
| 18:52:16 | treke | whoops wrong channel |
| 18:52:30 | Hellaenergy | I can't get it working |
| 18:52:31 | bipolar | Hellaenergy: -force-depends |
| 18:52:45 | Hellaenergy | bipolar: thanks |
| 18:53:21 | scribe_ | kergoth: no string header |
| 18:53:41 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: Install no prob |
| 18:53:44 | scribe_ | And when I include my x86 /usr/include/g++-3/ |
| 18:53:50 | scribe_ | it compiles but doesn't link |
| 18:53:51 | kergoth | scribe_: there should be |
| 18:54:00 | kergoth | scribe_: /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/include/string.h |
| 18:54:01 | scribe_ | nope, not in the crosscompiler disto |
| 18:54:08 | kergoth | scribe_: but remember, there's no stl on the Z |
| 18:54:11 | scribe_ | string.h is different from string |
| 18:54:32 | scribe_ | libstdc++ ??? |
| 18:54:39 | Hellaenergy | AHHH Much better :) |
| 18:54:39 | kergoth | scribe_: /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/include/g++-3/string |
| 18:54:53 | scribe_ | what crosscompiler are you using? |
| 18:55:05 | kergoth | the lineo toolchain from the sharp developer site |
| 18:55:10 | kergoth | dont use the trolltech one, its missing shit |
| 18:55:14 | scribe_ | I'm using trolltechs |
| 18:55:18 | scribe_ | ah! |
| 18:55:19 | scribe_ | ok |
| 18:55:21 | scribe_ | :) |
| 18:55:22 | kergoth | :-) |
| 18:55:34 | Hellaenergy | Intellsync doesn't work with zip files too well |
| 18:55:34 | scribe_ | so is there no libstdc++ on the zaurus? |
| 18:55:39 | kergoth | scribe_: nope |
| 18:55:40 | scribe_ | will I have to link statically? |
| 18:55:53 | kergoth | scribe_: yes, unless you feel like porting the code to use QString instead of String |
| 18:55:56 | kergoth | scribe_: heh |
| 18:56:17 | scribe_ | nope. I use tons of other stl things |
| 18:56:23 | kergoth | k |
| 18:56:27 | scribe_ | thanks! |
| 18:56:29 | kergoth | np |
| 18:56:31 | Hellaenergy | How do I prevent repeats in the doc view again? |
| 18:56:44 | altered | scribe_: what are you writing/porting? |
| 18:56:53 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: unmount your cf before you remove it? |
| 18:57:16 | Hellaenergy | what? |
| 18:57:22 | scribe_ | altered: my book reader app. |
| 18:57:36 | Hellaenergy | Oh that is cause by not unmounting |
| 18:57:41 | Hellaenergy | Oh that is caused by not unmounting |
| 18:57:51 | Hellaenergy | ? |
| 18:58:16 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: dunno, i havent seen it personally, just throwing it out there as a possibility |
| 18:58:32 | scribe_ | altered: it supports versified books, (Bibles), dictionaries / lexica, critical commentaries, and general books (pending me figuring out how the tree control works in qt to display the index appropriately |
| 18:58:48 | Hellaenergy | I have both SD and CF and it is doing that with the data on the SD right now |
| 18:59:10 | altered | scribe_: any particular reason to use STL? |
| 18:59:13 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: hm |
| 18:59:32 | scribe_ | yeah, all over the place in the engine |
| 18:59:41 | scribe_ | maps lists strings mostly |
| 18:59:57 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: they are both in at the same time mind you |
| 19:00:38 | scribe_ | I got the x86 compiler to build it, but now am having these troubles with the crosscompiler. |
| 19:00:39 | altered | scribe_: I mean any reason to use STL maps over Qt maps? or was this written before you decided to make it a Qt app? |
| 19:00:52 | scribe_ | there are a number of frontends to the engine |
| 19:01:09 | scribe_ | altered: gnome, qt, windows, curses |
| 19:01:35 | altered | scribe_: ah, then STL is probably a good choice... |
| 19:02:09 | altered | scribe_: as long as you aren't using too much of it, statically linking shouldn't be so bad. |
| 19:02:28 | scribe_ | altered: thanks. I hope not. |
| 19:02:59 | jperlow-sharp | heya. |
| 19:03:10 | jperlow-sharp | hey I have a title now. I am no longer "hey you" |
| 19:03:25 | altered | wow... a title... what is it? |
| 19:03:25 | scribe_ | altered: I statically linked in x86 mode (but not to libstdc++) and the app was 500k. I was already disappointed with the size |
| 19:03:40 | jperlow-sharp | although Hey You would have been a cool title on the biz cards |
| 19:03:51 | altered | scribe_: is that after stripping out the symbols? |
| 19:04:05 | scribe_ | yeah |
| 19:04:06 | scribe_ | :) |
| 19:04:09 | jperlow-sharp | Developer Liason and Software Manager, Sharp Mobile Products Group |
| 19:04:16 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: fancy |
| 19:04:16 | jperlow-sharp | I am not sure that even fits on a card |
| 19:04:25 | scribe_ | altered: it was 5 megs before! :) |
| 19:04:59 | Shunt | jperlow-sharp: Sounds like a "first to be downsized" title |
| 19:05:07 | jperlow-sharp | hmm. I think thats my title anyway |
| 19:05:08 | altered | scribe_: yikes... my app jumps from 150k to 300k after linking with static libraries... |
| 19:05:16 | jperlow-sharp | shunt: dont jinx it |
| 19:05:27 | mtm | jperlow-sharp: any idea how close the new ROM qtopia is to the CVS qtopia? |
| 19:05:30 | jperlow-sharp | First To Be Downsized would be a cool title |
| 19:05:37 | Shunt | sorry. :) Now "Senior Developer"... short, simple, and... hard to get rid of |
| 19:05:46 | Shunt | I'm fond of "that idiot"... I'd love to be "that idiot" cochran |
| 19:06:09 | roge99 | or 'company scapegoat' |
| 19:06:15 | jperlow-sharp | mtm I think it IS the CVS qtopia |
| 19:06:20 | mtm | hmmmm |
| 19:06:22 | mtm | ok |
| 19:06:35 | Shunt | roge99: In my company, the tech. dept is the company scapegoat. Funny considering we write software. Sigh. |
| 19:06:36 | mtm | guess I just don't know what I'm looking for then |
| 19:06:49 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: no. what about the new internet settings app? the calculator is quite different also, among other items |
| 19:07:07 | jperlow-sharp | anyone want to build an ipk for the new openssh? |
| 19:07:43 | kergoth | Jason, are you aware that one cant flash just the zImage to the Z as it says in the docs? I HAVE to put an initrd.bin on there or I wont be able to turn on my Z |
| 19:08:04 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth I asked for them to release the source to those applet |
| 19:08:18 | peanut | thinks the new calculator sucks. |
| 19:08:18 | mtm | all: In the old ROM, the text editor only had an "x" button in the the titlebar. Now it had an "x" plus "OK". Any idea what they changed to get that? My app still only has an "x" button, so it doesn't seem to be a global change. |
| 19:08:21 | kergoth | brb |
| 19:08:58 | kergoth | mtm: they made it a dialog not a widget. the OK will call the apps accept() slot, iirc |
| 19:09:01 | mtm | I'd like to add the "OK" button as well, to mean "save and close", and have the "x" mean "just close" |
| 19:09:03 | kergoth | k now brb really |
| 19:09:13 | mtm | kergoth: ahhh |
| 19:09:16 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth I think you have to flash the kernel and initrd simultaneously |
| 19:09:31 | mtm | guess I'll have to look at the source more closely -- I didn't notice that |
| 19:10:58 | BZFlag | jperlow-sharp: that was not the case before. |
| 19:11:10 | BZFlag | I flash kernels without initrd.bin all the time. |
| 19:12:45 | kergoth | BZFlag: yeah i was mistaken. heh |
| 19:17:39 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:01:51) |
| 19:18:08 | altered | are *both* lights supposed to turn off after the update is complete? or just the green one? |
| 19:18:33 | altered | the readme.txt says "the LEDs will turn off." |
| 19:18:46 | altered | but the orange one is still on... |
| 19:19:02 | sjohnson | The Mail LED turns off after the flashing is done |
| 19:19:25 | roge99 | iv had the mail one turn off sometimes and both turn off others |
| 19:19:27 | altered | they should change the readme.txt then... (since they tell you to make sure it's plugged in the whole time... |
| 19:19:34 | altered | roge99-z: odd... |
| 19:20:09 | roge99 | i think it has to do with the battery being fully charged or not |
| 19:20:34 | roge99 | when the batts topped off the led goes out |
| 19:20:43 | altered | gotcha |
| 19:23:56 | jperlow-sharp | holy crap |
| 19:24:01 | jperlow-sharp | someone ported korganizer |
| 19:24:08 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: really? |
| 19:24:09 | jperlow-sharp | with a micro kdelibs |
| 19:24:10 | jperlow-sharp | yeah |
| 19:24:13 | kergoth | who? |
| 19:24:18 | jperlow-sharp | I am not allowed to say |
| 19:24:23 | kergoth | k :-) |
| 19:24:25 | kergoth | nice tho |
| 19:24:49 | kergoth | we've been discussing how to handle the kdelibs situation in opie recently. integration discussion |
| 19:24:55 | jperlow-sharp | however looks like the kdelibs could be used to port koffice |
| 19:25:05 | kergoth | excellent. |
| 19:25:36 | Shunt | has been pulling apart the korganizer .kab file to make it sync with the zaurus the last couple days. |
| 19:25:37 | ][N-Flux | where can I find the rotaion option that comes with the OZ rom |
| 19:26:12 | kergoth | ][N-Flux: get the qt-embedded rotation fonts ipk and the opie-rotation ipk from opie.handhelds.org under packages in the feed. |
| 19:26:22 | ][N-Flux | thanks |
| 19:26:23 | jperlow-sharp | someone built a task manager/process viewer |
| 19:26:24 | kergoth | np |
| 19:26:25 | jperlow-sharp | cool |
| 19:26:59 | jperlow-sharp | some really nice stuff was submitted |
| 19:27:22 | treke | jperlow-sharp : for the contest? There any indications of licenses yet? |
| 19:30:40 | jperlow-sharp | looks like someone did a port of kspread |
| 19:32:11 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: A port of kspread? |
| 19:32:18 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: Where?! |
| 19:32:24 | Shunt | if only there was a port of Kword :) |
| 19:32:34 | altered | I think that GPL applications should get extra consideration in the contest... :) |
| 19:33:10 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: Is there some place that I can go and look at the submissions? |
| 19:33:12 | Jag|Lap | jperlow-sharp: Did anyone submit a kick-ass image viewer? |
| 19:34:23 | peanut | jason: any timetable on the driver release from lineo to sync with linux |
| 19:34:36 | jperlow-sharp | damn someone did a hp-48 emulator |
| 19:34:43 | jperlow-sharp | some people are sick in the head |
| 19:34:55 | ][N-Flux | need a c+64 emu |
| 19:35:00 | ][N-Flux | c=64 even |
| 19:36:34 | jperlow-sharp | lots of cool sync apps |
| 19:36:57 | jperlow-sharp | the israelis and chinese really went all out |
| 19:37:00 | roge99 | jperlow-sharp: anything that syncs w evo |
| 19:39:57 | mtm | jperlow-sharp: will there ever be a list of contest submissions, or will it be up to the developers to publicize/distribute them? |
| 19:41:00 | bipolar | jperlow-sharp: Is there any way I can find out about the GPL apps that have come in so that I can inform them about Opie and possibly adding the cool stuff to the distribution? |
| 19:41:08 | Fastolfe | ah! |
| 19:41:19 | Fastolfe | I need to release a new VNC server |
| 19:41:34 | ljp_work | hmmm, I do not think Sharp merges bug fixes from qpe cvs... onto new rom |
| 19:41:38 | Fastolfe | Jason: this is a good rom methink |
| 19:41:48 | mtm | bipolar: I don't know if they know which ones are GPL yet. I submitted something, but I didn't see any place to indicate what the license would be. |
| 19:42:01 | bipolar | mtm: hmm... |
| 19:42:07 | ljp_work | bipolar: http://sourceforge.net.projects/gutenbrowser |
| 19:42:18 | bipolar | ljp_work: I have that bookmarked. :) |
| 19:42:25 | ljp_work | :) |
| 19:42:33 | kergoth | sup ljp |
| 19:42:36 | altered | bipolar: do you have http://jamesconrad.org/stash bookmarked too? :) |
| 19:42:41 | bipolar | ljp_work: I have to build it yet. How complete is it? |
| 19:42:45 | ljp_work | JasonNJ: where do I send new rom bug report? |
| 19:42:50 | bipolar | altered: nope. Let me look at it. |
| 19:43:00 | ljp_work | bipolar: it is pretty well finished |
| 19:43:56 | ljp_work | hey kergoth |
| 19:44:23 | ljp_work | damn.. sharp didn't merge bug fixes from qpe cvs |
| 19:44:47 | ljp_work | krapper! |
| 19:44:57 | kergoth | yep, unfortunate. |
| 19:45:08 | ljp_work | stupid, if you ask me. |
| 19:45:23 | jperlow-sharp | gpl pdf readers |
| 19:45:31 | jperlow-sharp | someone ported ghostview |
| 19:45:42 | ljp_work | I submitted a bug to warwick about grabKeyboard()- who fixed it.. but it still exists in the new rom |
| 19:46:03 | jperlow-sharp | video for linux for zaurus? what the hell |
| 19:46:09 | jperlow-sharp | so you can watch tv on your z? |
| 19:46:27 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: lol |
| 19:46:36 | treke | video for linux is just the library interface I think |
| 19:46:40 | Mallory | A PDF reader would be REALLY nice |
| 19:46:50 | kergoth | ljp_work: wonder if he ugly addressbook issues have been fixed in the sharp rom |
| 19:47:09 | ljp_work | I doubt it.. but I had no problems.. |
| 19:47:28 | ljp_work | that's the problem with an extended "QA" period... |
| 19:47:43 | Shunt | kergoth: What issues did you find ugly with the addressbook? |
| 19:47:54 | kergoth | indeed |
| 19:48:06 | ljp_work | there's supposed to be incompatibility issues |
| 19:48:18 | kergoth | Shunt: not personally.. just following qpe-devel. heh |
| 19:48:26 | ljp_work | trolltech is working on them, I guess |
| 19:48:29 | Shunt | kergoth: The XML is... kinda f'ed up a little too. |
| 19:48:31 | jperlow-sharp | lots of games were submitted |
| 19:48:39 | kergoth | Shunt: indeed |
| 19:49:07 | Shunt | kergoth: I had to write a uglify xml procedure... because the addressbook crapped when I fed it proper xml. Sigh. |
| 19:49:28 | kergoth | Shunt: eh thats just fucked up |
| 19:50:07 | Shunt | kergoth: Not a big deal, but it was frustrating to figure out. |
| 19:50:13 | ljp_work | I guess OZ is the only hope...! |
| 19:50:16 | kergoth | Shunt: I'm sure |
| 19:50:50 | jperlow-sharp | 802.11 hacking utilities |
| 19:50:51 | jperlow-sharp | nice |
| 19:51:09 | Fastolfe | okay, new fbvncserver released |
| 19:51:22 | ljp_work | I'm hoping people will be more open about their Z app now that the contest deadline passed.. |
| 19:51:30 | Fastolfe | jperlow-sharp: thanks for the good work man, this rom is definitely my friend |
| 19:51:39 | jperlow-sharp | someone made a program that turns the z into a cellphone |
| 19:51:43 | jperlow-sharp | with a cf cell card |
| 19:52:26 | jperlow-sharp | man lots of cool apps here |
| 19:52:38 | jperlow-sharp | some stuf here that was plain impossible to do on a pocketpc |
| 19:52:48 | mtm | jperlow-sharp: will Sharp publish a list? |
| 19:52:49 | peanut | smiles |
| 19:53:18 | Nightvisi | Sharp need to hold contest like this more often |
| 19:53:32 | Mallory | Isn't the contest sponsored by Trolltech? |
| 19:53:37 | Nightvisi | this way we get all the best apps for the Z |
| 19:53:39 | Mallory | (Not Sharp) |
| 19:53:50 | Nightvisi | oh Trolltech then |
| 19:54:06 | jperlow-sharp | several replacement pims |
| 19:54:11 | jperlow-sharp | the java contest is in march |
| 19:54:31 | Nightvisi | cool |
| 19:57:51 | tux_mike | jason: are there any apps available for the general public yet? |
| 19:58:03 | ljp_work | heh- mine is.. |
| 19:58:03 | kergoth | thinks we're going to need a better interface to Z apps than SF, perhaps a apps.kde.org type of thing |
| 19:58:21 | ljp_work | good idea, kergoth |
| 19:58:25 | tux_mike | that would be much better :) |
| 19:58:31 | treke | ljp_work : and which is yours? |
| 19:58:56 | ljp_work | http://sourceforge.net/projects/gutenbrowser |
| 19:59:01 | treke | oh cool |
| 19:59:05 | treke | I just installed that |
| 19:59:05 | ljp_work | nothing flashy |
| 19:59:25 | tux_mike | kergoth: did bigboss give you a qstyle for OZ? |
| 19:59:28 | treke | screw flashy as long as it works well |
| 19:59:50 | kergoth | tux_mike: yes, he okayed its inclusion as long as I give credit. there'll be a tKc option in the appearance settings app |
| 20:00:17 | tux_mike | hrm... how much longer for the next OZ? :) i want that qstyle :) |
| 20:00:35 | tux_mike | it looks so much better than the built in ones : |
| 20:00:37 | tux_mike | :) |
| 20:00:41 | kergoth | agreed |
| 20:00:48 | kergoth | i have it merged in, in my local opie tree |
| 20:01:09 | whardier | puts some clothes on |
| 20:01:10 | tux_mike | on CVS? |
| 20:01:22 | kergoth | no, the code isnt for public distribution |
| 20:01:25 | tux_mike | ah |
| 20:01:27 | kergoth | just my local tree |
| 20:01:30 | kergoth | but it works |
| 20:01:37 | kergoth | i'm working on jffs2 now |
| 20:01:41 | ljp_work | aren't youspecial...? :) |
| 20:01:49 | tux_mike | hurry up with the next oz :) heheh :) |
| 20:02:08 | kergoth | tux_mike: hey, i'm at work, i do have to acutally WORK, you know |
| 20:02:09 | kergoth | hehe |
| 20:02:37 | tux_mike | hey i work too... yesterday... for an hour... :)( |
| 20:02:57 | tux_mike | and i get edjumacated! |
| 20:04:00 | tux_mike | kergoth: what other nifty things are in the next OZ? |
| 20:04:12 | Fastolfe | CDCEther still doesn't work with the new ROM |
| 20:04:19 | Mallory | Is that the problem? |
| 20:04:25 | Mallory | I could not get it working last night for the life of me. |
| 20:04:39 | tux_mike | i haven't tried |
| 20:04:56 | kergoth | tux_mike: openssh 3, the tKc jabber client, jffs2, it'll use the latest opie, so there'll be code changes and improvements there, not certain beyond that yet |
| 20:04:57 | ][N-Flux | I like the new look for the fbvncviewer |
| 20:05:04 | sjohnson | Mallory: The desltop and IPAQ see each other, but no packets can be sent in either direction |
| 20:05:06 | scribe_ | how do I get a qtopia screen shot? |
| 20:05:14 | Fastolfe | ][N-Flux: Glad you like it :) |
| 20:05:54 | Mallory | Yeah, you can be as dumb as jeff :) |
| 20:05:56 | Fastolfe | scribe_: either usr /usr/sharp/bin/scshot or install the fbvncserver |
| 20:06:02 | Mallory | err, I really need to stop sending stuff to the wrong window |
| 20:06:16 | scribe_ | I'm on an ipaq. |
| 20:06:23 | Fastolfe | aah |
| 20:06:25 | Fastolfe | hm |
| 20:06:36 | bipolar | scribe_: scshot works on the iPaq too. |
| 20:06:44 | Fastolfe | use fbvnc and Xvnc then |
| 20:06:50 | bipolar | scribe_: let me dcc it to you. |
| 20:06:52 | Fastolfe | oh yeah, and scshot work on the paq |
| 20:06:56 | scribe_ | bipolar: :) hey, I remember you from handhelds! |
| 20:06:59 | Fastolfe | oops :) |
| 20:06:59 | treke | ljp_work : gutenbook is pretty nifty. Kind of an annoying iterface though :) |
| 20:07:13 | bipolar | scribe_: I'm still there. :) |
| 20:07:20 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 20:07:20 | scribe_ | :) |
| 20:07:28 | ljp_work | treke: how so? Ralf doesn't appreciate it either |
| 20:07:35 | scribe_ | bipolar: I don't think dcc will work thru my firewall |
| 20:08:11 | bipolar | scribe_: Well i'm offering. Can you grab it? |
| 20:08:22 | scribe_ | I accepted, but it doesn't do anything. |
| 20:08:26 | treke | ljp_work : My biggest complaint is the color scheme. I'm not seeing any images on the toolbar, but thats problably my fault during the install |
| 20:08:28 | kergoth | ljp_work: the interface should be made more consistant with other qtopia/opie applications, imho |
| 20:08:33 | bipolar | scribe_: Email? |
| 20:08:35 | Hellaenergy | I see pierre released fbvncserver again has anyone tested it? |
| 20:08:47 | scribe_ | bipolar: sure, scribe@crosswire.org |
| 20:09:05 | ljp_work | kergoth: than it would have that cool style. |
| 20:09:10 | ljp_work | wouldn't |
| 20:09:30 | treke | ljp_work :the coolness of the style is relative |
| 20:09:31 | kergoth | true, but i agree with treke, the color scheme is the only thing that gets to me |
| 20:09:47 | ljp_work | you can change that |
| 20:10:00 | bipolar | scribe_: sent |
| 20:10:03 | kergoth | ljp_work: imho, the style should be controlled by qpe |
| 20:10:17 | kergoth | ljp_work: if you like your qstyle, try to get it included in qpe/opie |
| 20:10:31 | kergoth | ljp_work: personally, i wish opie/qtopia used a less static means of handling styles |
| 20:10:45 | kergoth | but i suppose that'll be dealt with once it uses qt 3.. but i'm impatient |
| 20:10:51 | bipolar | altered: hmmm... cool looking app. |
| 20:10:51 | altered | anybody else have trouble updating the USB networking drivers in win2k? |
| 20:10:58 | ljp_work | try the 'default' style |
| 20:11:13 | altered | bipolar: thanks.. it might eventually become useful... :) |
| 20:11:16 | bipolar | altered: how complete is it? |
| 20:11:35 | altered | bipolar: it's about a month off... should be complete by the final contest deadline. |
| 20:11:44 | bipolar | altered: Kinof competes with TheKompany's tkcKapitol |
| 20:11:51 | altered | bipolar: I'm just now getting a break from real work deadlines. |
| 20:12:12 | bipolar | altered: might be something for our feed. |
| 20:12:30 | altered | bipolar: well, I started it before The Kompany mentioned anything about doing an embedded version of Kapital. |
| 20:12:42 | treke | is this stash? |
| 20:13:04 | altered | treke: yes. |
| 20:13:07 | bipolar | scribe_: Did you get the email? |
| 20:13:23 | treke | altered : very nice job |
| 20:14:14 | tux_mike | http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1323901197 |
| 20:14:15 | altered | treke: thanks... there's a lot left to do, but so far I'm pleased with it... |
| 20:14:22 | scribe | looking |
| 20:14:25 | tux_mike | some people will buy anything |
| 20:14:36 | Kopsis | altered: I'll second that - Stash looks very promising! |
| 20:15:05 | treke | altered : Do you use your zaurus/ipaq rotated? |
| 20:16:26 | altered | Kopsis: thank you! :) want to make some pie graph widgets for it? |
| 20:16:54 | altered | treke: I don't, but stash looks very good rotated (I tried it out in the virtual framebuffer). |
| 20:17:13 | treke | altered : from using I got the impression it works best rotated :) |
| 20:17:26 | altered | treke: I also have a 2 line account detail view that looks better on in page mode... but it's not complete. |
| 20:17:43 | altered | treke: you using the preview release? |
| 20:17:48 | treke | yeah. |
| 20:17:55 | treke | still torn between it and Kapital |
| 20:18:16 | Kopsis | altered: Actually, the first thing I need to do is a utility to convert from FreeCoins databases on the Palm. |
| 20:18:29 | altered | treke: well, Kapital might be more useful for now... but Stash is free, and will become something much more useful. :) |
| 20:18:52 | altered | Kopsis: FreeCoins? have a URL? |
| 20:19:03 | treke | altered : Yeah, I'm using kaptial right now, but I really liked the feel of stash |
| 20:19:12 | Kopsis | altered: http://freecoins.sourceforge.net |
| 20:19:14 | ToyKeeper | Any hint of a Z database yet? :) |
| 20:21:33 | altered | ToyKeeper: Trolltech has said something of a simple Database interface will exist in Qtopia 2 |
| 20:22:07 | Hellaenergy | ToyKeeper: you mean data structure |
| 20:22:17 | Hellaenergy | ? |
| 20:22:46 | ToyKeeper | I mean a database front-end. |
| 20:23:00 | Hellaenergy | to what? |
| 20:23:08 | ToyKeeper | Anything. :) |
| 20:24:27 | Hellaenergy | Has anyone got fbvncserver working on Windows yet? |
| 20:25:09 | Fastolfe | sure :) |
| 20:25:23 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 20:25:26 | Fastolfe | oh you mean the *server* on windows ? |
| 20:25:26 | Hellaenergy | How did you do it (settings) |
| 20:25:35 | kergoth | why doesnt my jffs2 initrd work when bzflags 1.02 jffs2 initrd works fine |
| 20:25:40 | whardier | sqlite rules |
| 20:25:44 | kergoth | uses jffs2reader to compare & contrast |
| 20:25:53 | whardier | a simple qtopia app to interface to it would rule |
| 20:26:00 | whardier | sqlite is SOOO cool |
| 20:26:05 | Fastolfe | the fbvncserver is Zaurus-only, but you can install the normal Windows VNC server |
| 20:26:58 | file | cable comes... cable goes |
| 20:27:27 | ToyKeeper | A database front end wouldn't really be trivial.. It'd have to do screwy things to avoid loading too much data at once. Probably can't just select * and dump it into a Qt listbox for display. |
| 20:28:52 | jperlow-sharp | fastolfe I still am having issues with the 1.11 rom with vnc |
| 20:28:54 | jperlow-sharp | wont calibrate |
| 20:29:05 | Hellaenergy | I am |
| 20:29:07 | Shunt | ToyKeeper: I doubt it's a DB like that... it probably will be more like Borland's ClientDataSet functionality... |
| 20:29:48 | jperlow-sharp | youre modules still arent running |
| 20:30:00 | jperlow-sharp | anyone else get it to work? |
| 20:30:08 | Hellaenergy | Not me |
| 20:30:18 | ToyKeeper | Yeah.. Hopefully with Qt's built-in database stuff, it'll be a little easier. :) |
| 20:30:20 | Hellaenergy | Did you jperlow-sharp? |
| 20:30:30 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth: incorporate ssh3 into the next build |
| 20:30:32 | jperlow-sharp | its on SF |
| 20:30:38 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: planning on it |
| 20:30:54 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: I'm messing around with my jffs2 initrd, trying to figure out why it wont mount |
| 20:31:44 | Shunt | ToyKeeper: I don't think it's quite like a DB server... |
| 20:31:58 | ToyKeeper | Okay. :) |
| 20:32:12 | ToyKeeper | You can tell I haven't paid much attention to trolltech. |
| 20:33:17 | ToyKeeper | goes off for food |
| 20:33:35 | jperlow-sharp | no wait, I'm a moron, I think vnc works |
| 20:33:48 | Hellaenergy | How? |
| 20:33:56 | jperlow-sharp | ya it works |
| 20:34:06 | jperlow-sharp | calibration is squirrely though |
| 20:34:23 | treke | jperlow-sharp : someone submitted a new vnc viewer? |
| 20:34:43 | Hellaenergy | walk us through it :) |
| 20:39:50 | Hellaenergy | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/fbvncserver_0.0.5-5_arm.ipk |
| 20:42:43 | hexjunky | the vnc server is nice, wish i had 2x more RAM with it tho |
| 20:43:18 | tux_mike | i hate icq |
| 20:43:24 | tux_mike | random people just message me |
| 20:43:47 | ][N-Flux | can't you block that |
| 20:43:55 | ][N-Flux | I haven't used my icq in ages |
| 20:44:15 | tux_mike | i don't know... but i don't wanna block everyone, i have people not on my list, but that i would like to talk to |
| 20:47:38 | scribe | bipolar: got it! |
| 20:47:44 | scribe | bipolar: http://www.crosswire.org/images/qpsword0001.jpg |
| 20:52:27 | Fastolfe | jason: does it work not ? |
| 20:53:02 | Fastolfe | s/not/now :) |
| 20:53:03 | bipolar | scribe: Your server timed out.... :\ |
| 20:53:18 | bipolar | ahh... there is goes. |
| 20:53:20 | bipolar | :) |
| 20:53:43 | bipolar | scribe: cool |
| 20:54:26 | hexjunky | anyone lend a hand with NAT for iptables? i got eth/usb, but no NAT |
| 20:55:21 | bipolar | scribe: Now if only it had the New World Translation... ;) |
| 20:56:43 | kergoth | woot. my jffs2 initrd worked |
| 20:56:54 | kergoth | course it doesnt have everythign from oz yet, but i'm getting there |
| 20:57:18 | bipolar | kergoth: :) |
| 20:57:45 | kergoth | all i need to do is undo the symlink hell in the fileysstem |
| 20:57:48 | kergoth | shudders |
| 20:58:21 | roge99 | hexjunky: what do you want to do |
| 20:59:30 | BZFlag | kergoth: cool! what was the issue? |
| 20:59:43 | scanline | is back (gone 18:21:48) |
| 20:59:55 | jperlow-sharp | anoyne getting segfaults in opera? |
| 21:00:12 | hexjunky | trying to do nat my zaurus behind my linux laptip |
| 21:00:16 | hexjunky | laptop |
| 21:00:51 | kergoth | BZFlag: lol.. my stupidity.. didnt staticly compile ash .. it failed trying to load libc.so.6 |
| 21:00:58 | kergoth | BZFlag: :-) |
| 21:01:05 | hexjunky | i followed the eth/usb doc, and have traffic passing, i see the unNATted traffic leaving |
| 21:02:38 | BZFlag | kergoth: so the kernel worked fine? cool! /me awaits the jffs2 OZ release. ;-) |
| 21:02:56 | kergoth | BZFlag: yup, kernel worked flawlessly |
| 21:03:14 | BZFlag | pats himself on the back |
| 21:03:21 | kergoth | BZFlag: good work :-) |
| 21:03:53 | kergoth | BZFlag: I'm going to pull down the bootstrap loader tarballs for familiar and hack at them a bit later |
| 21:04:08 | kergoth | BZFlag: perhaps get familiar loading on the z, now that the kernel is happy |
| 21:04:34 | hexjunky | well, Ill be, i got it to work....should have RTFM on iptables |
| 21:05:11 | roge99 | hexjunky: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.1.201 -o eth0 -j SNAT --to ipaddress_of_outside |
| 21:05:23 | roge99 | whoops too late |
| 21:05:47 | kergoth | hm wonder what the official source repos is for the ash shell |
| 21:05:58 | hexjunky | yeah, the doc i was reading confused me with the YOUR_IP thing |
| 21:06:01 | kergoth | suppose i could just switch the /bin/sh to bash, since we're including bash anyway |
| 21:09:00 | treke | anyone else here had problems connecting to the thekompany jabber server? |
| 21:09:20 | Shunt | Any word on when accessories go on sale? |
| 21:14:01 | Hellaenergy | I know I need another docking station :) |
| 21:14:04 | altered | so, is the idea that you use *either* Intellisync or Qtopia Desktop, or are you supposed to use *both*? |
| 21:14:34 | ljp | either |
| 21:14:47 | ljp | one or the other |
| 21:15:21 | altered | ljp: that makes more sense.. :) |
| 21:16:18 | altered | can plugins be written for Intellisync? |
| 21:17:53 | rospahr | treke: yes thekompany jabber server seems to be down |
| 21:18:27 | treke | rospahr : Ok that clears it up. Its happened the last two times I tried tkcjabber :) Need to find a new server |
| 21:18:57 | whardier | LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:20:05 | rospahr | treke: i was thinking the same thing, time to install a jabber server on my own machine :-) |
| 21:20:20 | treke | not a bad idea |
| 21:24:05 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 21:25:22 | altered | so, when are the contest entries supposed to be judged, and Zaurus's sent out? |
| 21:29:00 | Neo|Work | wonders too. |
| 21:36:11 | Shunt | Sometimes I find myself putting comments in code, like code that I do at my job, that I shouldn't. :) |
| 21:38:10 | altered | Shunt: the code that I work on at work has comments from 1993... they've were updated in 1997 to read "Abandon hope all ye who enter." |
| 21:38:43 | Shunt | I put stuff in like |
| 21:38:54 | Shunt | "//Kill me" |
| 21:39:00 | Shunt | "//For the love of god, kill me" |
| 21:39:06 | Shunt | "//Someone have mercy and kill me" |
| 21:39:09 | Shunt | it's a common theme :) |
| 21:39:29 | Mallory | I like quoting song lyrics |
| 21:40:06 | Mallory | Of whatever song I was listening to at that time. |
| 21:40:08 | Shunt | Yeah, depeche lyrics used to find their way in sometimes.... that was ages ago tho. |
| 21:40:36 | Mallory | ### That deaf, dumb, and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball. |
| 21:40:36 | Mallory | &ryanFooter("list_secrets.cgi"); |
| 21:41:47 | Hellaenergy | How is the voice recording app? |
| 21:42:20 | Hellaenergy | Does it work? |
| 21:45:50 | Hellaenergy | Anyone able to use the irda app either? |
| 21:46:06 | Hellaenergy | If so what was the senerio? |
| 21:46:12 | Neo|Work | sugar, make me a dry martini |
| 21:46:12 | Sugar | stirs vermouth and gin over ice cubes in mixing glass, strains it into a cocktail glass then adds a twist of lemon peel or olive, if desired and serves it to Neo|Work. |
| 21:46:35 | Hellaenergy | I wan't one too :) |
| 21:46:46 | Neo|Work | :P |
| 21:48:20 | Mallory | People were saying that the IrDa app worked last night with their Palsm. |
| 21:48:30 | Mallory | I brought my Palm in today to try, just haven't had time yet. |
| 21:48:43 | sjohnson | Mallory: Yes. They work just gream |
| 21:48:52 | sjohnson | and great even. |
| 21:48:59 | Hellaenergy | What does it sync? |
| 21:49:02 | Mallory | i'll go try now over a smoke :) |
| 21:49:03 | tux_mike | Mallory: yah it works, i tried it earlied today in class |
| 21:49:26 | Neo|Work | so who will make the first palm-zaurus cross-platform irda game? :P |
| 21:50:28 | Hellaenergy | What exactly did it do? |
| 21:51:36 | Shunt | That means it should work with Psion too... |
| 21:53:35 | Hellaenergy | What are people transfering with the irda ? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:53:59 | rospahr | Hellaenergy: the addressbook and text files |
| 21:55:10 | tux_mike | rospahr: is that all that works? |
| 21:55:22 | rospahr | well that is all I have tried so far |
| 21:55:29 | Hellaenergy | rospahr: thanks, can you choose what contacts to transfer? |
| 21:55:31 | rospahr | I received from a palm |
| 21:55:39 | rospahr | and sent one address to the palm |
| 21:55:51 | tux_mike | i did the same |
| 21:55:52 | rospahr | yes you can choose what contacts |
| 21:55:53 | Hellaenergy | How does it work? |
| 21:55:55 | Mallory | Up, the IR is nice |
| 21:56:03 | Mallory | s/Up/Yup/ |
| 21:56:13 | rospahr | the IR is great! |
| 21:56:16 | Fastolfe | Damn my morse key signal bounces all over the place :( |
| 21:56:25 | Mallory | When I sent an addressbook entry it asked me if I wanted to put it in the address app. |
| 21:56:29 | tux_mike | morse key signal? |
| 21:56:36 | Mallory | When I sent a palm app it asked me if I wanted to save it to Documents. |
| 21:56:37 | Hellaenergy | Does Palm come with an IR app by default? |
| 21:56:39 | altered | hmm... Qtopia desktop handles multiple Zaurus' in an unpredictable manner. |
| 21:56:42 | Mallory | Yeah |
| 21:56:44 | Mallory | It's in PalmOS |
| 21:56:44 | Fastolfe | I've got a morse key connected to the audio port |
| 21:56:51 | Fastolfe | to tap morse in the Z |
| 21:57:22 | Hellaenergy | s.o.s |
| 21:57:23 | tux_mike | Fastolfe: you a ham operator? |
| 21:57:27 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 21:58:10 | Hellaenergy | Im a ham :) |
| 21:58:17 | Fastolfe | I'm a hamster :) |
| 21:58:33 | tux_mike | heh. i like ham, i just have no extra time learn it :) |
| 21:58:56 | Fastolfe | I like ham too, with a slice of swiss cheese and rye bread |
| 21:59:11 | tux_mike | wahh wahh waaaaahhh |
| 21:59:13 | Fastolfe | sorry |
| 21:59:20 | Fastolfe | feeble om joke |
| 22:01:14 | ljp_work | how about green eggs and ham? |
| 22:03:07 | Hellaenergy | http://www.joecartoon.com/cartoons/microgerbil.html |
| 22:05:59 | sjohnson | Hellaenergy: That's hilarious |
| 22:07:06 | Hellaenergy | Thank Joe he's kind of out of hand though ;) |
| 22:08:25 | Hellaenergy | Did you view it on the z. Don't think Opera has a flash plugin :) |
| 22:09:16 | ljp_work | not yet, anyway |
| 22:09:53 | Hellaenergy | That would be nice to have a mini flash studio on the Z (Hellaenergy Dreams). |
| 22:10:13 | tux_mike | doesnt the media player play flash? |
| 22:10:21 | ljp_work | I don't kjow about creating them... |
| 22:10:32 | Hellaenergy | Don't know if it can play swf files? |
| 22:10:44 | Hellaenergy | Does it? |
| 22:11:07 | Neo|Work | Wonder if Real Networks (where I work) is looking towards the Z |
| 22:11:26 | treke | someone send Neo|Work a zaurus so he can pimp it |
| 22:11:27 | ljp_work | doubtful.. they barely supprt linux |
| 22:11:41 | Neo|Work | ljp_work: embedded devices are a different story though |
| 22:12:04 | Hellaenergy | ljp_work: true :( |
| 22:12:26 | Hellaenergy | Neo|work: Thats true too :) |
| 22:12:29 | Neo|Work | and btw, I'm pretty sure RealOne will make it to linux, for embedded and enterprise reasons |
| 22:12:31 | ljp_work | althoguht tier support for linux is muxh better than it was |
| 22:12:42 | treke | Neo|Work hasnt it already made it? |
| 22:12:44 | Neo|Work | but I can tell you it's "on hold" at the moment, but not "abandoned" |
| 22:12:57 | Neo|Work | treke: in an early, incomplete version, yes |
| 22:13:00 | Neo|Work | alpha I suppose |
| 22:13:09 | ljp_work | heh- ya.. the linux version is ALWAYS one version behind the window one |
| 22:13:31 | Neo|Work | which, if you think about it, does make sense. Linux is a pityful market compared to Windows |
| 22:13:35 | ljp_work | although, realone is nice |
| 22:13:38 | Neo|Work | I mean, it's not like there's Mac player at all |
| 22:13:39 | Hellaenergy | I am going to a hit single on the z just to promote it |
| 22:13:55 | Hellaenergy | make -> a |
| 22:14:14 | Neo|Work | the main issue I have with the Linux player is the use of <quiet swearing>Motifl</> |
| 22:14:24 | Hellaenergy | Don't even think about WINE'in it :) |
| 22:16:18 | Hellaenergy | Any one got Quake to work on the Zaurus yet? HM. |
| 22:16:39 | treke | Hellaenergy : probably wouldnt happen, seems like they were targeting more than just Linux with their unix player |
| 22:16:59 | sjohnson | Hellaenergy: Yes. Bit only at 1FPS |
| 22:17:20 | Hellaenergy | One Fram Per Sec? |
| 22:17:36 | scanline | is back (gone 00:53:31) |
| 22:17:43 | sjohnson | Hellaenergy: Yep. no FPU on ARM |
| 22:18:29 | Hellaenergy | sjohnson: How come? they have it working for the Casio just fine and it doesn't have nearly as much power. |
| 22:19:02 | Hellaenergy | What is a FPU? |
| 22:19:11 | treke | Floating Point Unit |
| 22:19:30 | sjohnson | Hellaenergy: It must have been a different port. |
| 22:19:48 | Hellaenergy | No 3D games for the Z? |
| 22:19:55 | Drago | the ARM does not have an FPU? |
| 22:20:08 | sjohnson | Drago: No it doesn't |
| 22:20:09 | mark__ | Drago: no |
| 22:20:16 | Drago | it is doing fpu emulation in software then? |
| 22:20:17 | sjohnson | Well the SA1100 doesn't |
| 22:20:20 | mark__ | Hellaenergy: Quake works on my ipaq |
| 22:20:39 | treke | Hellaenergy : you could do 3d games, you just need to code them carefully |
| 22:20:58 | mark__ | treke: its fine on my ipaq |
| 22:21:12 | treke | mark__ : Windows or Linux? |
| 22:21:13 | Hellaenergy | Well we better get on it if this machine is going to be anything |
| 22:21:16 | Drago | maybe i can solder my 387 on ;) |
| 22:21:22 | v23 | There is 3d library for the Arm, developed by some swedish company. It is supposed to be very decent. |
| 22:21:29 | Hellaenergy | I vote for tribes II |
| 22:21:31 | mark__ | treke: linux |
| 22:21:37 | treke | mark__ : Impressive |
| 22:21:47 | mark__ | treke: its a bit jerky but playabe |
| 22:21:47 | Hellaenergy | what company is that? |
| 22:21:49 | mark__ | dont know the fpu |
| 22:21:58 | treke | Hellaenergy : dynamix. never happen |
| 22:22:11 | v23 | Some oldskool Amiga coders... :-) I'll look up the URL. |
| 22:22:14 | mark__ | fps* |
| 22:22:25 | Hellaenergy | Word to the Amiga |
| 22:25:50 | Hellaenergy | http://www.esemagazine.co.uk/common/viewer/archive/2001/Jun/14/news3.phtm |
| 22:26:31 | v23 | The company is FatHammer, the library is X-Forge. There will be a linux port, too. |
| 22:26:48 | sean | does the vncd only work w/ OZ, or can you use it w/ 1.1[01] ? |
| 22:26:51 | Hellaenergy | treke: What is dynamix |
| 22:27:06 | treke | Hellaenergy : Thought you were asking another question :) |
| 22:27:27 | treke | Hellaenergy : I vote for tibes II, what company is that? Didnt see v23s comment |
| 22:28:16 | v23 | A 3d engine for the ARM, http://www.pocketgamer.org/archives/00000347.shtml |
| 22:28:18 | Hellaenergy | I don't know but they had a linux port |
| 22:29:03 | treke | Hellaenergy : dynamix is the company that wrote tribes 2 |
| 22:30:11 | Hellaenergy | Oh are they assholes or something? |
| 22:30:48 | treke | Hellaenergy :1) They are out of business 2) It barely runs on a p3 with a fast video card. You can count an arm with no floating point :) |
| 22:31:37 | Hellaenergy | Well somone send them a z :) |
| 22:31:45 | treke | haha |
| 22:31:45 | Hellaenergy | They got time :) |
| 22:32:06 | Neo|Work | T2 with stick figures! |
| 22:32:19 | Hellaenergy | It says that there was a version of Fathammer optimized for the ipaq but what about the z? |
| 22:33:01 | treke | z is roughly the same as the ipaq(some differences) |
| 22:33:16 | Hellaenergy | the ipaq got a fpu? |
| 22:33:19 | treke | no |
| 22:33:24 | ][N-Flux | guess it's a pcoket pc .exe :P |
| 22:33:29 | Hellaenergy | enough said |
| 22:33:57 | Hellaenergy | :p'''''''' |
| 22:34:09 | Neo|Work | check http://www.ardiri.com/ - they are working on a fps engine for the palm |
| 22:35:28 | ][N-Flux | wonders why the typical doom port hasn't arisen yet |
| 22:35:41 | Hellaenergy | It would even be nice to have sim 3000 on the z |
| 22:35:53 | treke | doom might actually run well |
| 22:36:00 | Neo|Work | Hellaenergy: never in hell that's going to happen. |
| 22:36:12 | Neo|Work | it was apparently a rather horrid thing to port to Linux in the first place. :P |
| 22:36:19 | treke | maybe postal.... |
| 22:36:38 | Neo|Work | treke: heh, might even be playable on the Z |
| 22:36:38 | Hellaenergy | Ouch |
| 22:36:53 | Neo|Work | Now Sim City 1 on the other hand. :-PP |
| 22:36:54 | treke | Hellaenergy : stop picking the games with horrible performance :) |
| 22:37:04 | Hellaenergy | OK :) |
| 22:37:05 | ][N-Flux | postal is icky |
| 22:37:22 | fiferboy | Hello! Has anyone here had any luck getting Linux to talk to the new ROM? |
| 22:37:22 | treke | Neo|Work : shouldnt take to much work to convert it from tcl ad postscript :) |
| 22:37:39 | sjohnson | fiferboy: It won't talk. The ROM drive has been redone. |
| 22:37:46 | Neo|Work | treke: hehe. ;-) There's a SC for PalmOS and a free clone too |
| 22:38:06 | fiferboy | sjohnson: so does it require a different kerenl patch? |
| 22:38:21 | ][N-Flux | there is already doom for arm though isn't there |
| 22:38:25 | ][N-Flux | thinks |
| 22:38:28 | Hellaenergy | I think so |
| 22:38:33 | Hellaenergy | Where is it? |
| 22:38:33 | ][N-Flux | yes, they had it working on hte yopy |
| 22:39:00 | treke | ][N-Flux : It works in ipaq on x fine also. The qte/framebuffer front end is probably the hard part |
| 22:39:19 | Hellaenergy | Forget these little punk ass games :| |
| 22:39:38 | Hellaenergy | Well we got that SNES Emulator |
| 22:39:42 | Hellaenergy | How does that work? |
| 22:39:52 | Hellaenergy | How do you get a game on there? |
| 22:40:16 | ][N-Flux | snes emu speed need improvment |
| 22:40:31 | ][N-Flux | ftp/sync it over |
| 22:40:32 | treke | we have minesweep. What more do you need |
| 22:40:46 | sjohnson | Solitaire!!! |
| 22:40:55 | Hellaenergy | Are there games on sf for it? |
| 22:41:03 | sean_ | hmm |
| 22:42:07 | jperlow-sharp | rgh |
| 22:42:11 | Hellaenergy | I like the word game I'm not going to lie |
| 22:42:17 | jperlow-sharp | anyonehome |
| 22:42:41 | Hellaenergy | the computer cheats though :) |
| 22:42:41 | jperlow-sharp | herro. |
| 22:42:46 | ][N-Flux | http://www.jimmysoftware.com/software/doom4ce/ |
| 22:42:51 | ][N-Flux | there is that one |
| 22:43:12 | Hellaenergy | Have you tried that one on the z? |
| 22:43:19 | Hellaenergy | Never mind |
| 22:43:24 | Mallory | Ooh, doom? |
| 22:43:29 | Mallory | I couldn't get Quake working, not enough RAM |
| 22:43:44 | ][N-Flux | I couldn't get quake working period |
| 22:43:47 | treke | ][N-Flux : Look for linux apps :) |
| 22:43:58 | Hellaenergy | My boy's casio has 16MB and quake worked fine? |
| 22:44:01 | Mallory | It started but then just killed itself |
| 22:44:04 | ][N-Flux | either couldn't find gfx.wad or I needed the full version to play modified games |
| 22:44:17 | kendrick2 | downloads 1.11 rom |
| 22:44:22 | kendrick2 | had dl'd the 1.10 rom before |
| 22:44:30 | Mallory | Quake uses *.pak's, not *.wad's |
| 22:44:56 | Mallory | lrwxrwxrwx 1 rwm rwm 38 Dec 11 00:09 .quake/idsw/pak0.pak -> /usr/share/games/quake/./idsw/pak0.pak |
| 22:45:06 | ][N-Flux | Mallory: thx :P I'm just givning you what it gave me |
| 22:45:07 | Mallory | I copied the pak's onto a CF card and made the appropriate symlinks. |
| 22:45:11 | Mallory | c/lear |
| 22:45:31 | Hellaenergy | what the hell is a pak? |
| 22:45:38 | ][N-Flux | id's format |
| 22:45:48 | Hellaenergy | ipaq file? |
| 22:45:59 | ][N-Flux | ID software |
| 22:46:10 | Hellaenergy | hmmmm... |
| 22:46:10 | ][N-Flux | what they use for quake/rtcw and so on |
| 22:46:30 | treke | its a zip file with an odd extention :) |
| 22:46:42 | Hellaenergy | Mallory: It just don't work huh |
| 22:47:22 | Mallory | Guess you never played Quake much :) |
| 22:47:29 | Mallory | Nope, but I didn't try very hard |
| 22:47:36 | Mallory | I got it far enough to take a screen shot :) |
| 22:47:52 | Mallory | http://www.dir-t.org/gallery/zaurus/aav |
| 22:48:23 | Mallory | (those are all my Z pix) |
| 22:48:57 | Hellaenergy | Amature Pix :) |
| 22:49:10 | Hellaenergy | Zaurus Porn |
| 22:50:34 | Mallory | heh |
| 22:50:50 | Mallory | All my friends asked me for good pics of it so I took a bunch and just slapped them up. |
| 22:51:04 | Mallory | I've been seeing hits from all over the world to my un-linked-to gallery |
| 22:51:09 | Mallory | Gotta love it |
| 22:52:15 | Hellaenergy | dir-t.org |
| 22:52:20 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 22:53:46 | ][N-Flux | Quake error |
| 22:53:47 | Hellaenergy | Mallory: Wouldn't that be nice if we had a cf GSM chip reader? |
| 22:53:56 | ][N-Flux | the following error occured: |
| 22:54:15 | ][N-Flux | W_LoadWadFile: couldn't load |
| 22:54:19 | ][N-Flux | gfx.wad |
| 22:54:25 | ][N-Flux | blah blah blah |
| 22:55:34 | Mallory | heh |
| 22:55:45 | Mallory | That's for Quake? |
| 22:56:06 | ][N-Flux | yeah |
| 22:56:43 | ][N-Flux | packages from qpe.soundforge.net/packages/ipaq/unstable |
| 22:57:08 | Mallory | yeah, I used those |
| 22:57:22 | ][N-Flux | and it works to a point for you> |
| 22:57:38 | Mallory | Yup, to the point you see in the screen shots :) |
| 22:57:43 | Mallory | Damn, I'm almost out of Easy Cheese. |
| 22:57:55 | ][N-Flux | what did you do |
| 22:58:07 | ][N-Flux | so that I may try to do the same |
| 22:58:22 | kendrick2 | hey socket@! |
| 22:58:25 | Mallory | I installed the package, put the *.pak files from my local computer on my CF card, made symlinks to them from where it was looking for them (Settings/quake IIRC, but I"m not sure) and it worked |
| 22:58:27 | kendrick2 | i have one of those :) |
| 22:58:37 | Mallory | heh |
| 22:59:04 | ][N-Flux | ok. |
| 23:00:40 | jperlow-sharp | this vnc client rules |
| 23:00:54 | jperlow-sharp | I can qa rom problems so much faster with the vnc server |
| 23:01:53 | Hellaenergy | I agree jperlow-sharp |
| 23:02:02 | Hellaenergy | Are you using it on linux? |
| 23:02:07 | jperlow-sharp | windows |
| 23:02:17 | Hellaenergy | How the hell did you get it to work? |
| 23:02:29 | jperlow-sharp | which rom are you using it on |
| 23:02:35 | Hellaenergy | 1.11 |
| 23:02:36 | kendrick2 | where's bigboss? |
| 23:02:42 | Mallory | Anybody know if the rotation packages from http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/ work on the Z? |
| 23:02:54 | kendrick2 | is using a rotn pkg |
| 23:02:56 | ][N-Flux | Mallory: yes they do |
| 23:02:59 | kendrick2 | forget where it came from tho :) but it works nice! |
| 23:03:00 | Mallory | I tried installing them ones from qpe.sourceforge.net and they were a bit flakey |
| 23:03:03 | kendrick2 | mmm.. sideays terminal |
| 23:03:07 | jperlow-sharp | it works but make sure you reboot the unit, and before you run the vnc server you have to touch the stylus to the upper left and lower right to calibrate the deamon |
| 23:03:12 | jperlow-sharp | it may take a few times |
| 23:03:17 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 23:03:26 | ][N-Flux | also you may need to install zlib for vnc if I remember correctly |
| 23:03:26 | kendrick2 | mahjongg doesn't save state when you quit |
| 23:03:34 | jperlow-sharp | yes zlib and libjpeg |
| 23:03:34 | kendrick2 | wonders why it has both an OK and an X button, then. :^( |
| 23:03:40 | kendrick2 | harasses shawn some more :) |
| 23:03:48 | BigBoss | huh?> what? |
| 23:03:54 | jperlow-sharp | which are the extralibs packages on sourceforge |
| 23:04:00 | jperlow-sharp | on the zaurus project |
| 23:04:01 | kendrick2 | bboss |
| 23:04:12 | BigBoss | tell max@thekompany.com that you want it to save the games |
| 23:04:15 | kendrick2 | when you're playing mahjongg, the window has an [Ok] button and an [x] button |
| 23:04:18 | kendrick2 | ah ok :) will do |
| 23:04:22 | kendrick2 | i'll cc you :) |
| 23:04:22 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:04:23 | kendrick2 | woot |
| 23:04:26 | sean | they're also linked right from teh vncd page on zauruszone.. |
| 23:04:31 | scanline | is back (gone 00:00:08) |
| 23:04:33 | scanline | is away: I'm busy |
| 23:04:41 | scanline | is away: food??? |
| 23:04:58 | Hellaenergy | jperlow-sharp: ??? |
| 23:05:31 | Neo|Work | kendrick2: I haven't figured out how to control those buttons. And I have another problem too - a dialog with yes/no (yes == enter, no = escape). the (x) button triggers yes.. |
| 23:05:34 | BigBoss | our next big product will be a high speed internet porn search, retrieval and convenient one handed display for the Z :) |
| 23:05:34 | Neo|Work | which is illogical |
| 23:05:49 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: that'd probably sell too. ;-) |
| 23:06:00 | treke | preorders |
| 23:06:04 | sean | bigboss, a true killer app |
| 23:07:33 | BigBoss | sell for $99 :) |
| 23:07:47 | BigBoss | I wish we could sell our "special" screen saver, but alas, they aren't our data files |
| 23:07:54 | BigBoss | some of you got to see it though :) |
| 23:08:43 | Neo|Work | BigBoss: hah. :) |
| 23:10:00 | kendrick2 | bbgoss - sent |
| 23:10:44 | kendrick2 | bigboss - illustrated kama sutra! |
| 23:10:48 | kendrick2 | perhaps animated, too? hahaha |
| 23:11:05 | kendrick2 | you might want to make it for pocket pc too, just to make it worth the effort |
| 23:11:05 | Neo|Work | well, there is a kamasutra thing for palm |
| 23:11:08 | kendrick2 | (stop hissing at me!) |
| 23:11:15 | kendrick2 | neo - yeah... where do you think i got the idea? :) |
| 23:11:17 | Neo|Work | I think you can check things as "done" too. :) |
| 23:11:20 | Neo|Work | hehe |
| 23:11:27 | kendrick2 | hehe... my suggestion was to have a pulldown |
| 23:11:32 | finkployd | geeze, no wonder Mitchy is pissed at the dev2dev forum. There is no shortage of whining idiots in there |
| 23:11:37 | kendrick2 | "Haven't tried", "Good", "So-so", "Boring", "OUCH!" |
| 23:11:41 | Neo|Work | finkployd: url ? |
| 23:11:58 | kendrick2 | developer.sharpsec.com, login, click, click again, god this is irritating, click click... |
| 23:12:41 | Hellaenergy | We need defender on the Z :) |
| 23:12:53 | finkployd | kendrick2: just bookmark http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/index.asp |
| 23:12:59 | finkployd | Neo |
| 23:13:13 | finkployd | Neo|Work: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/support.asp |
| 23:13:22 | Neo|Work | ah, that board |
| 23:13:40 | Neo|Work | I always looked at zauruszone and wondered what ppl were talking about. :-PP |
| 23:14:19 | finkployd | Brian Capouch & Raelxp need severe beatings |
| 23:14:46 | Hellaenergy | Has anyone done the secure in the SD card? |
| 23:15:11 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: the z doesnt support those aspects.. |
| 23:15:30 | finkployd | Hellaenergy: no, but why would you want to? Copy protection is bad, mkay :) |
| 23:15:49 | Hellaenergy | Just for personal docs???? |
| 23:16:32 | Hellaenergy | What is the Secure usuall used for I guess I could ask? |
| 23:16:36 | Neo|Work | haha, the encoding on the forum pages is japanese so there are japanese chars here and there. :-) |
| 23:18:00 | kendrick2 | god what a dork :) |
| 23:18:39 | kendrick2 | i swear, i thought sharp was gonna kill the bbses :( |
| 23:19:33 | jperlow-sharp | kendrick: I am going to kill the sharp bbs |
| 23:19:37 | jperlow-sharp | and start another one |
| 23:19:38 | scanline | is back (gone 00:14:59) |
| 23:20:01 | jperlow-sharp | I may even phase out zauruszone if I can migrate all the data to something else, like phpbb |
| 23:20:23 | jperlow-sharp | using the sourceforge engine as the upload/download area |
| 23:20:28 | kendrick2 | NOO!!!! |
| 23:20:36 | kendrick2 | mailing lists mailing lists mailing lists!!!! :) |
| 23:20:38 | jperlow-sharp | I am considering using sourceforge as the developer site |
| 23:20:44 | jperlow-sharp | it will have mailing lists |
| 23:20:52 | jperlow-sharp | but the lists will be linked into the forums |
| 23:20:52 | kendrick2 | the bbs will?! |
| 23:20:54 | jperlow-sharp | yes |
| 23:20:56 | Neo|Work | news would be nice |
| 23:21:00 | kendrick2 | OK! good god, finally |
| 23:21:02 | jperlow-sharp | news server too |
| 23:21:05 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: we need a better files interface than either zz or sf |
| 23:21:06 | Hellaenergy | what port is vnc listening on? |
| 23:21:07 | jperlow-sharp | its in the master plan |
| 23:21:10 | Neo|Work | webboards have never been something I enjoy using |
| 23:21:14 | kendrick2 | sets clock on his agenda |
| 23:21:19 | kendrick2 | it's been a while since i used this little guy |
| 23:21:23 | kendrick2 | gives it a hug |
| 23:21:26 | jperlow-sharp | kergoth: I am going to hire the guy who designed sourceforge to make a totally custom system |
| 23:21:48 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: gesh. :P Like a Savannah for Zaurus etc? |
| 23:21:54 | jperlow-sharp | it will be the envy of every open source developer stie on the internet |
| 23:22:01 | kergoth | jperlow-sharp: hehe. excellent. |
| 23:22:03 | jperlow-sharp | exactly like a savannah for zaurus |
| 23:22:06 | jperlow-sharp | but it will look much nicer |
| 23:22:09 | jperlow-sharp | and have more features |
| 23:22:11 | jperlow-sharp | AND |
| 23:22:17 | Neo|Work | shouldn't be entirely hard. ;-)) |
| 23:22:19 | jperlow-sharp | you'll be able to interact with it using a Zaurus. |
| 23:22:31 | kendrick2 | w00t |
| 23:22:38 | kendrick2 | about time :) zzone is WAY hard to use on a z :) |
| 23:22:39 | Neo|Work | will it be open source only? I actually use ostdev right now since it allows closed source |
| 23:22:46 | jperlow-sharp | close and open |
| 23:23:08 | kendrick2 | anyone working on a global find app? |
| 23:23:25 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: cool |
| 23:24:14 | Neo|Work | jperlow-sharp: is that like your job now? :) |
| 23:25:52 | Neo|Work | is away: afk for a while |
| 23:28:50 | Mallory | find / -names \*x\* doesn't work good enough? :) |
| 23:28:54 | Mallory | s/names/name/ |
| 23:29:49 | Trisk[awaay] | ..and may need -print for some versions of find :Þ |
| 23:30:07 | kendrick2 | blar |
| 23:30:13 | kendrick2 | i meant like palmos and agenda have |
| 23:30:57 | Mallory | Yeah, not so much a find but a Search? |
| 23:31:07 | Mallory | Find "tom" in the addresbook, calender, todo, etc... |
| 23:32:09 | kendrick2 | uh yeah :) |
| 23:32:14 | kendrick2 | called find on palm and agenda ;) |
| 23:33:41 | kendrick2 | hmm.. gtk for embeded on pg29 of emb linux journ |
| 23:36:45 | Neo|Work | is back (gone 00:10:53) |
| 23:37:09 | kendrick2 | zaurus is briefly reviewed on pg22 |
| 23:39:39 | Mallory | I saw that at the RH boot at LWCE |
| 23:39:54 | Mallory | There is a Qt/E article in the 2/2002 Dr. Dobbs |
| 23:40:03 | Mallory | Make that March |
| 23:42:16 | file | lol @ topic |
| 23:44:47 | altered | why does the image viewer still suck on the new ROM? |
| 23:45:03 | Mallory | Jason: I also have the 1.10 ROM mirrored. If you get bogged down feel free to direct some traffic here. |
| 23:45:03 | kendrick2 | does it? :( damn |
| 23:45:05 | Neo|Work | why does the image viewer suck? |
| 23:45:06 | treke | what format images can it even open? |
| 23:45:08 | Neo|Work | (how does it suck?) |
| 23:45:22 | treke | Neo|Work : it hasnt been able to open any of the images I've tried |
| 23:45:23 | roge99 | has anyone had any luck w/ email client and imap ? |
| 23:45:27 | altered | 300k jpg's from my Nikon CoolPix775 camera cause it to run out of memory and force itself to close (with 8M of free RAM) |
| 23:45:36 | Neo|Work | treke: sounds like... useless |
| 23:45:49 | treke | roge99 : I nope :( Hopefully in the contest |
| 23:46:12 | treke | roge99 : Thats one of the few apps I _really_ want. Using webmail is a pain |
| 23:46:43 | roge99 | treke: i agree |
| 23:46:46 | Neo|Work | altered: how large is the image? |
| 23:46:52 | kendrick2 | runs off |
| 23:46:54 | Neo|Work | dimensions that is |
| 23:46:56 | kendrick2 | lugod meeting! http://www.lugod.org/meeting/ |
| 23:47:48 | roge99 | treke: i keep a shitload of mail on my server it completely hosed the mail client |
| 23:48:57 | treke | roge99 : same here, I want access to my mailboxes, but there is no way in hell it would fit in ram |
| 23:52:14 | roge99 | treke: i try to keep my inbox small -- ive got filters up the ying-yang to sort all the incoming mail i just want to see whats in the inbox |
| 23:52:40 | treke | roge99 : and I want access to it all :) |
| 23:53:12 | roge99 | treke: that wouldn't be bad |
| 23:57:26 | jperlow-sharp | hmm. when you hear the vacuum cleaners and the housekkeping staff its time to go home |
| 23:59:20 | roge99 | jperlow-sharp: when i hear the vacuum i *am* home |
