| 00:33:32 | Hellaenergy | Kombanwa |
| 00:37:02 | ljp | whardier: is that you on the island? |
| 00:38:11 | whardier | ljp: me back home |
| 00:40:59 | whardier | I spilled pop |
| 00:41:13 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 00:41:47 | Night_Vis | anyone use openSSH |
| 00:42:08 | Night_Vis | on the Z |
| 00:42:37 | ljp | yes |
| 00:42:59 | Night_Vis | do you connect to it with 2 different computers? |
| 00:43:17 | Ober | should have ordered one of the developer models |
| 00:43:18 | Ober | :) |
| 00:44:06 | Ober | woah! |
| 00:44:14 | ljp | Might: yes |
| 00:44:20 | ljp | opss Night |
| 00:45:10 | Night_Vis | thats what I'm trying to do but when I get to the second computer and use putty or winscp I get connection error |
| 00:46:35 | Night_Vis | the only way I can get it to work on my home PC and work PC is to keep uninstalling the package on the Z |
| 00:46:43 | Night_Vis | and reinstalling it |
| 00:47:19 | ljp | have you tried to run it from the commandline sshd -d |
| 00:47:27 | Night_Vis | right now I just did that and it works here at home but when I go to work on Monday it will me work there |
| 00:47:59 | Night_Vis | what do you mean |
| 00:48:18 | Night_Vis | from the terminal on the Z I do type sshd |
| 00:48:27 | ljp | if you run it from the commandline, it will exit when you logoff of it |
| 00:48:28 | Night_Vis | so it can listen on port 22 |
| 00:49:00 | ljp | there's a bug in rom's where ssh wont run as a daemon |
| 00:49:07 | Night_Vis | oh really |
| 00:49:15 | Night_Vis | that might be it then |
| 00:49:27 | ljp | I always open term and sshd -d |
| 00:51:36 | Night_Vis | I just typed exit but I can still connect |
| 00:52:42 | Night_Vis | this is weird |
| 00:54:36 | ljp | hey v23: why you looking for mailit? |
| 01:05:27 | whardier | HI! |
| 01:05:32 | whardier | hugs ToyKeeper |
| 01:13:31 | scanline | is back (gone 00:32:18) |
| 01:20:02 | Neo|Work | man, I can't get RPM building with mkikps to work |
| 01:46:27 | scanline | is away: friday night is anime night |
| 01:47:53 | Neo|Work | whoha. my binary is 113 KB now |
| 01:55:15 | treke | that up or down? |
| 01:56:00 | Neo|Work | ? |
| 01:56:23 | treke | <Neo|Work> whoha. my binary is 113 KB now |
| 01:56:29 | treke | was that an improvement? |
| 01:56:32 | Neo|Work | up |
| 01:56:35 | Neo|Work | from say 60 kb... |
| 01:56:45 | Neo|Work | the theme stuff is half the size. trying to reduce now |
| 01:57:03 | treke | ok. so its gone up |
| 01:57:35 | Neo|Work | yeps |
| 02:13:18 | roge99 | evening all |
| 02:19:43 | Neo|Work | Wonder if gzexe would work on the Z. :P |
| 02:25:17 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: no need if you are using jffs2 |
| 02:26:30 | Neo|Work | BZFlag: it's compressign? |
| 02:27:30 | Neo|Work | either way, 114k isn't that bad considering |
| 02:28:34 | Neo|Work | goes home. |
| 02:29:15 | Fastolfe | Hello everybody |
| 02:30:18 | BZFlag | Neo|Work: under jffs2 or cramfs all data on the filesystem is compressed. |
| 02:30:29 | BZFlag | cya |
| 02:42:07 | Hellaenergy | Cheers! |
| 02:43:48 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: yo |
| 02:46:26 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Hey roge99 |
| 02:46:26 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: what happened yesterday?? |
| 02:46:26 | Hellaenergy_Partying | No Fickin success |
| 02:46:26 | roge99 | i see |
| 02:46:27 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I don't know what the hell it is |
| 02:46:27 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: i waited around for a while and then went to bed |
| 02:46:27 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Frikin NAT |
| 02:46:27 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I totally understand |
| 02:46:27 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I did the same |
| 02:46:27 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I only got 3 hours of sleep last night |
| 02:46:27 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I am borg |
| 02:46:27 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: i f you get that router tweeked everything else should fall into place |
| 02:46:28 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I know but the router is a piece |
| 02:46:28 | Hellaenergy_Partying | It ain't doing what it supposed to |
| 02:46:28 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Its old |
| 02:46:28 | roge99 | hmmm |
| 02:46:28 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Or something.......... |
| 02:46:28 | roge99 | could be something else |
| 02:46:28 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I can't see :( |
| 02:46:28 | roge99 | if you had anonther box we could ts better |
| 02:46:28 | Hellaenergy_Partying | the port is open tcp and udp |
| 02:46:31 | roge99 | i know |
| 02:46:46 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I did a portscan and nothing |
| 02:46:54 | Hellaenergy_Partying | ahhhhhhh |
| 02:46:59 | roge99 | do you have a friend that could bring over another box ? |
| 02:47:18 | Hellaenergy_Partying | ya I got a laptop with widow$ |
| 02:47:43 | roge99 | yea we could test with that i guess |
| 02:47:57 | Hellaenergy_Partying | not here though bro |
| 02:47:58 | roge99 | i hate windows :-) |
| 02:48:02 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I know |
| 02:48:05 | Fastolfe | Hi Hella |
| 02:48:06 | Hellaenergy_Partying | fuck windows |
| 02:48:15 | Hellaenergy_Partying | what up Fastolfe |
| 02:48:20 | Fastolfe | not much |
| 02:48:25 | Fastolfe | what's the party ? |
| 02:48:27 | Hellaenergy_Partying | You having a nice Friday? |
| 02:48:33 | Fastolfe | not really |
| 02:48:36 | Fastolfe | family probs |
| 02:48:38 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Oh I'm going out in a second |
| 02:48:44 | Hellaenergy_Partying | oh im sorry |
| 02:48:48 | Fastolfe | cool bananas |
| 02:48:50 | Fastolfe | you have fun eh |
| 02:49:03 | Hellaenergy_Partying | My friends dad just died and I am going to go cheer him up |
| 02:49:10 | Fastolfe | :( |
| 02:49:17 | Hellaenergy_Partying | He was a good man |
| 02:49:19 | Fastolfe | My Dad just got admitted in the hospital |
| 02:49:35 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Did you get him a Zaurus :) |
| 02:49:40 | Fastolfe | heh :)) |
| 02:49:46 | roge99 | Fastolfe: sorry to hear that |
| 02:49:49 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I'm sorry I hope he gets well soon |
| 02:49:59 | Fastolfe | no, a windows box : he plugged it in and dropped |
| 02:50:06 | Fastolfe | shouldn't joke |
| 02:50:06 | Hellaenergy_Partying | hahahaha |
| 02:50:17 | Fastolfe | thanks guys |
| 02:50:21 | Fastolfe | I'm sure he'll be okay |
| 02:50:47 | Hellaenergy_Partying | My frikin router isn't ok |
| 02:51:02 | Fastolfe | computer equipment that doesn't function properly should be kicked |
| 02:51:03 | Fastolfe | hard |
| 02:51:08 | Fastolfe | it's my remedy |
| 02:51:17 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: do you have a sniffer |
| 02:51:25 | Hellaenergy_Partying | The funny thing is that works |
| 02:51:30 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: ethereal perhaps |
| 02:51:31 | Hellaenergy_Partying | not here |
| 02:51:33 | Fastolfe | yes :) |
| 02:51:37 | Hellaenergy_Partying | for windows |
| 02:51:47 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: no on the linux box |
| 02:52:00 | Hellaenergy_Partying | the trial version that came with the Internet Core Protocols book I bought |
| 02:52:11 | Fastolfe | Windows sucks pond scum so bad that I'm upgrading my kernel with CDCEther |
| 02:52:12 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Orielly |
| 02:52:17 | roge99 | thinks of anyway he can avoid using windows |
| 02:52:18 | Fastolfe | this OS is disgusting |
| 02:52:26 | Hellaenergy_Partying | AMEN |
| 02:52:40 | roge99 | Fastolfe: kernel patchen is cake |
| 02:52:46 | Hellaenergy_Partying | What do you do if your work shop is only windows, though? |
| 02:52:52 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Not a damb thing |
| 02:53:04 | roge99 | CONVERT EM' |
| 02:53:14 | Fastolfe | roge99: yes, but I need to update my cuecat driver to upgrade to 2.4.17 :) |
| 02:53:15 | Hellaenergy_Partying | I got a bugzilla box going so far |
| 02:53:26 | Hellaenergy_Partying | RH 7.2 |
| 02:53:31 | Hellaenergy_Partying | It's a start |
| 02:53:44 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: download and install ethereal |
| 02:53:47 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Too may D HELL HELLs to convert |
| 02:54:09 | Hellaenergy_Partying | OK roge99 but I got to go yall have a wonderful night :) |
| 02:54:25 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: dont drink too much!!!! |
| 02:54:31 | Hellaenergy_Partying | Cheers to everyones health |
| 02:54:44 | Fastolfe | or do drink to much but get a cab back home |
| 02:54:44 | roge99 | Hellaenergy_Partying: alright drink too much |
| 02:54:45 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 02:55:30 | Fastolfe | wow, there is so much junk in the kernel these days, it's scary |
| 02:56:17 | roge99 | brb gotta go get more firewood |
| 02:56:22 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 03:04:00 | Fastolfe | kergoth: you here ? |
| 03:25:16 | Fastolfe | reboot time |
| 03:25:17 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 03:59:39 | Night_Vis | . |
| 04:03:28 | Aelfweld | greetings and salutations |
| 04:03:34 | Fastolfe | hiya |
| 04:04:00 | Aelfweld | so anyone tried installing familiar on a zaurus? |
| 04:04:33 | Fastolfe | nope |
| 04:09:15 | ljp | hmm. I am familiar with installing on Zaurus.. :D |
| 04:09:17 | Aelfweld | hmm just no interest in doing so or to many issues? |
| 04:09:27 | Aelfweld | lol |
| 04:10:26 | Fastolfe | ljp: did you play with CDCEther ? |
| 04:11:31 | ljp | ya.. but it won't work all the way.. :/ |
| 04:11:46 | Fastolfe | whatdyamean ? |
| 04:12:07 | ljp | I can ping 192.168.129.200 but not 192.168.129.201 |
| 04:12:41 | Fastolfe | ah, same here! Do you see a "usb_set_interface() failed" error as well in dmesg ? |
| 04:13:06 | ljp | hmm. I haven't tried in a while... |
| 04:13:11 | Fastolfe | k |
| 04:13:13 | Fastolfe | nevermind |
| 04:13:19 | Fastolfe | fixes the patch |
| 04:13:22 | ljp | I get some message about multi somethings |
| 04:13:29 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 04:13:46 | Fastolfe | I think it doesn't complete the eth init but it carries on creating it anyway |
| 04:13:50 | Fastolfe | but it's half/baked |
| 04:14:00 | ljp | somewhere I heard CDCEther patch does not work with my rom |
| 04:14:11 | Fastolfe | which is it ? |
| 04:14:15 | ljp | 1/08 |
| 04:14:18 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 04:14:28 | Fastolfe | not sure which one I have : how do you tell ? |
| 04:15:17 | Fastolfe | well, it doesn't matter since I probably run a Lineo-only ROM anyway |
| 04:15:22 | ljp | it depesystem info |
| 04:15:31 | Fastolfe | k |
| 04:15:33 | Fastolfe | tries |
| 04:15:39 | ljp | it depends ... system info |
| 04:15:58 | ljp | build date |
| 04:16:12 | Fastolfe | oh I know that |
| 04:16:13 | ljp | 1.03 was in November |
| 04:16:18 | ljp | :) |
| 04:16:19 | Fastolfe | Jan 8 |
| 04:16:24 | ljp | Lineo-only??!! |
| 04:16:32 | ljp | ahh same one! |
| 04:16:38 | Fastolfe | it's got some internal Lineo crap in it |
| 04:16:45 | Fastolfe | ljp : whatdyamean ? |
| 04:16:51 | Fastolfe | oooohhhh |
| 04:17:01 | Fastolfe | heard a click in his brain |
| 04:17:12 | Fastolfe | so 1/08 is the build date, note a version # :)) |
| 04:17:26 | Fastolfe | feels smart today |
| 04:17:32 | ljp | yep. there really was no version on that one |
| 04:17:41 | Fastolfe | no version ? |
| 04:17:45 | kyoorius | Hey, I uploaded a newer ROM today and now under System Info -> Version, it reads "ROM Version: --:--" |
| 04:17:54 | Fastolfe | oh ic |
| 04:17:58 | Fastolfe | confusing |
| 04:18:02 | kyoorius | is that what u got? |
| 04:18:18 | Fastolfe | I don't have a ROM version string anywhere |
| 04:18:21 | ljp | 1/08 is a test version given to developers that were at the San Jose thingy... |
| 04:18:21 | Fastolfe | just a build date |
| 04:18:31 | Fastolfe | ic |
| 04:18:33 | kyoorius | under Linux Kernel? |
| 04:18:46 | Fastolfe | oh yeah, i see it now |
| 04:18:54 | Fastolfe | damn I'm tire |
| 04:18:55 | Fastolfe | damn I'm tired |
| 04:19:25 | Aelfweld | is it better then the nov one? |
| 04:19:29 | ljp | I was until I drank a double espresso |
| 04:19:45 | Fastolfe | Well, I'll fix the CDCEther patch anyway because I don't want to use Windows ever again |
| 04:19:48 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 04:20:08 | ljp | Aelf: well.. its more updated.. less bugs.. but not distributable |
| 04:20:28 | ljp | there should be a Sharp release rom 'soon' |
| 04:20:30 | scanline | is back (gone 02:34:03) |
| 04:20:54 | Aelfweld | ah sort of annoying as they told us a lwe to get the new rom but it turned out to be from nov |
| 04:21:41 | ljp | ya.. Sharp is being anal about the new rom |
| 04:21:53 | Aelfweld | and said free downloads were ending in march when the 64m retail version should be almost ready |
| 04:22:18 | ljp | but it's kinda understandable, cause there were so many problems with 1.02/3 |
| 04:22:45 | ljp | what? no free rom updates?? hmmmm |
| 04:22:49 | kyoorius | whats the latest version rom? |
| 04:22:53 | kyoorius | I just upgraded to 1.02.. |
| 04:23:04 | ljp | thats the latest released rom |
| 04:23:19 | kyoorius | ok |
| 04:23:33 | ljp | 1.03 is 1.02 with one wireless driver |
| 04:23:34 | Aelfweld | the openzaurus one seems better as all the apps have close icons |
| 04:23:48 | tux_mike | i think i just found a bug in evolution... |
| 04:23:58 | kyoorius | u know, i was wondering about that.... if OK = close app. |
| 04:24:13 | tux_mike | when i input a date, e.g. 5/11/80, it puts the year as 2080 :)d |
| 04:24:21 | kyoorius | i ran TOP on a separate console, watching the processes, and OK does seem to shut down the apps. |
| 04:25:17 | Aelfweld | yeah |
| 04:25:18 | ljp | kyoorius: thats changed.. now cancel closes them |
| 04:25:58 | ljp | which sucks becuase when you push the on/off button to turn on the light, the app on top gets shut down |
| 04:26:03 | Aelfweld | the icon bar is confusing I expect it to be open apps but its like quick lauch on the last n apps |
| 04:26:22 | ljp | thats changed also.. its now current processes |
| 04:26:35 | Aelfweld | thats better |
| 04:26:54 | Aelfweld | the cancel sounds bad though |
| 04:26:57 | kyoorius | the OK button and middle circle button doesnt seem to get much use. |
| 04:27:18 | Aelfweld | games ;) |
| 04:27:22 | kyoorius | im going to use the direction+middle & OK buttons a lot in my apps. |
| 04:27:26 | ljp | the middle button is like a space |
| 04:27:31 | kyoorius | like a nintendo controller. |
| 04:29:28 | finkployd | anyone have any luck getting one of these puppies to sync on WinXP? |
| 04:33:33 | ljp | I use win2k.. but I heard of problems with winXP |
| 04:36:40 | finkployd | I don't understand it. It recognizes when I add and remove it, but if I hit the sync button on the cradle, the network connection (looking at network proporties) will disconnect, and actually vanish for a second then come back |
| 04:37:12 | scanline | is away: getting blown up by ickysneeze and jigga |
| 04:37:53 | ljp | the sync button does disconnect and then tries to reconnect |
| 04:38:27 | ljp | use the software to start the sync |
| 04:42:25 | ljp | crap. I gotta reboot.. :( |
| 04:49:34 | kyoorius | where is this openzaurus 2.6b ROM file? |
| 04:49:38 | kyoorius | is it vaporware or something? |
| 04:53:33 | fusion94 | is away: dvd then sleep |
| 04:54:18 | Aelfweld | ther is a zip on sourceforge |
| 04:54:34 | Aelfweld | just 3 files instead of 1 to put on the flas, works the same though |
| 04:55:27 | Fastolfe | rraaahh |
| 04:55:28 | finkployd | is there any way to upgrade the rom image without a CF card reader for my pc? |
| 04:55:34 | Fastolfe | CDCEther doesn't like me |
| 04:55:59 | kyoorius | what's it called? Im there now. |
| 04:56:30 | kyoorius | floyd, I think you're out of luck |
| 05:01:32 | roge99 | kyoorius: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=43045 |
| 05:01:45 | kyoorius | duh. found it. rather that being a part of the Zaurus Open group, its the Open Zaurus group. |
| 05:01:45 | kyoorius | heh |
| 05:02:45 | roge99 | Fastolfe: what problems are you having with CDCEther |
| 05:03:00 | Fastolfe | Are you on the Zaurus-general list ? |
| 05:03:05 | roge99 | yep |
| 05:03:15 | Fastolfe | I just sent a post about it |
| 05:03:23 | roge99 | checks his mail |
| 05:03:23 | tux_mike | roge99: does your script to dump address book get stuff in different folders? |
| 05:03:33 | roge99 | ?? |
| 05:03:38 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 05:03:40 | Fastolfe | I guess not |
| 05:03:47 | roge99 | what do you mean |
| 05:04:15 | tux_mike | i have my contacts spread out in diffrent folders under the main contacts, friends, busniess, etc, and i was wondering if it got all the folders |
| 05:05:02 | roge99 | hmmm i dont know never tryied it like that |
| 05:05:23 | roge99 | if its stored in the same database it should work |
| 05:05:31 | tux_mike | the only entry i have in the base of my contacts is my busniess card :) |
| 05:06:28 | roge99 | evolution stores the addressbook info in a sleepycat db but its just vCard data keyd by UID |
| 05:06:48 | tux_mike | hrm. |
| 05:07:13 | tux_mike | i think my method is more extensable, and it may be faster |
| 05:08:14 | roge99 | I dont think they were going for speed as much as compatibilty |
| 05:08:32 | roge99 | vCard i s very common |
| 05:08:36 | tux_mike | true |
| 05:08:59 | tux_mike | is there a custom field for vCard? so you can add things like, im names and such? |
| 05:10:22 | tux_mike | with my method, i have every string as a different entry in the bdb, and you can add and subtract fields |
| 05:12:00 | roge99 | i think you can define new data feilds |
| 05:12:00 | roge99 | digs out his vCard specs |
| 05:13:12 | tux_mike | i really wish there was a library to handle these vcard/vcal for linux |
| 05:13:28 | roge99 | tux_mike: there is |
| 05:13:41 | tux_mike | where, i couldn't find it |
| 05:14:13 | roge99 | mmm i think its included w/ evolution |
| 05:14:40 | roge99 | libical |
| 05:15:32 | roge99 | http://softwarestudio.org/libical/ |
| 05:15:50 | tux_mike | hrmm... i have no package by that name... |
| 05:16:10 | tux_mike | there it is, doh |
| 05:16:14 | roge99 | it comes w/ the evolution tarball |
| 05:16:31 | roge99 | you can download it from that url |
| 05:17:18 | tux_mike | and this handles vcard too? |
| 05:17:24 | roge99 | i think so |
| 05:17:37 | roge99 | i havent used it |
| 05:18:11 | roge99 | i just remember seeing it when i was poken round evo's src |
| 05:19:24 | roge99 | Fastolfe: you still here |
| 05:19:28 | Fastolfe | sure am |
| 05:20:14 | roge99 | can you ping the linux box from the Z ? |
| 05:20:23 | Fastolfe | nope. Neither way |
| 05:21:44 | roge99 | i have it working on 2.4.16 |
| 05:21:56 | Fastolfe | did you do anything special with it ? |
| 05:22:00 | roge99 | nope |
| 05:22:03 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 05:22:09 | Fastolfe | maybe I should try with 2.2.16 |
| 05:22:22 | roge99 | lemm go grab my cradle and we can see if we get the same messages |
| 05:22:32 | Fastolfe | ljp thinks it's the 1/08 rom I have |
| 05:22:38 | Fastolfe | do you have that version too ? |
| 05:22:48 | roge99 | nope OZ 2.6 |
| 05:22:57 | tux_mike | 2.6 is out? |
| 05:22:58 | finkployd | hmmm here is a wierd problem. I can dial in with a CF modem, and I can use all the consol internet clients (ping, ftp, etc) but the opera browser refuses to work. |
| 05:22:59 | Fastolfe | ah well, that might explain |
| 05:24:56 | tux_mike | hrmm.... my project page got 16 views yesterday |
| 05:25:30 | roge99 | usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x4dd/0x8004) is not claimed by any active driver |
| 05:25:36 | roge99 | i get that as well |
| 05:28:16 | roge99 | Fastolfe: do have a way to flash your Z |
| 05:31:35 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 05:31:37 | Fastolfe | back |
| 05:31:50 | Fastolfe | roge99: I can flash new images |
| 05:32:23 | roge99 | did you try a different rom ? |
| 05:32:54 | Fastolfe | no, I guess I could |
| 05:33:11 | Fastolfe | but newer non-OZ roms don't allow you to drop to the console anymore |
| 05:33:16 | Fastolfe | (at least last I checked) |
| 05:33:36 | roge99 | do you have a way to get the image on the cf card other that the usb on the z |
| 05:33:51 | Fastolfe | sure, I have a CF writer :) |
| 05:34:18 | roge99 | I didnt know if you were usning windows to copy over the usb port |
| 05:34:35 | Fastolfe | it's just that I use the console a lot, so even if the CDCEther thing worked, it wouldn't cut it for me |
| 05:35:01 | Fastolfe | The CDCEther is something I want to try out out of curiosity, but I have a network card, so it's not urgent |
| 05:35:09 | roge99 | ahh |
| 05:35:16 | Fastolfe | I'll try |
| 05:35:51 | roge99 | what did you mean the newer roms dont allow you to open a console ?? |
| 05:36:38 | Fastolfe | well, the reason why I stick with 1/08 is because the one that came right after here at Lineo didn't allow you to do the <SPACE>-a thing to avoid loading qtopia altogether |
| 05:36:52 | Fastolfe | did they revert that "feature" in the newer ones ? |
| 05:37:23 | roge99 | 1.02 was the latest *official* one that i was able to get |
| 05:37:30 | Fastolfe | oic |
| 05:37:45 | finkployd | how exactally would I copy a rom image to a CF over the usb cradle? |
| 05:37:52 | Fastolfe | We get internal test images at Lineo, that's probably why |
| 05:38:04 | roge99 | ahh |
| 05:38:11 | roge99 | finkployd: ftp |
| 05:38:50 | roge99 | brb gota go get some firewood :-) |
| 05:38:56 | Fastolfe | lolol |
| 05:39:01 | Fastolfe | must be real cold at your place :)) |
| 05:39:25 | ljp | Fastolfe: the console has become an addon |
| 05:39:39 | Fastolfe | ljp: rraaahh that's so *stupid* |
| 05:39:55 | ljp | I agree.. |
| 05:40:04 | Fastolfe | they could hide the "type <SPACE> |
| 05:40:06 | Fastolfe | thing |
| 05:40:22 | Fastolfe | that'd make it kosher for Joe Blow and usable for us |
| 05:40:44 | ljp | I have updated konsole |
| 05:40:55 | Fastolfe | konsole ? |
| 05:40:58 | Fastolfe | oh |
| 05:41:01 | Fastolfe | embeddedkonsole |
| 05:41:29 | ljp | is that what you're talking about? |
| 05:42:00 | ljp | oh.. your talking startup console |
| 05:42:04 | Fastolfe | no no, I mean, when you boot the Z, you used to get a message saying "Press <ENTER>" |
| 05:42:05 | Fastolfe | ... |
| 05:42:06 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 05:42:27 | Fastolfe | The new one I've seen, you can type whatever you want, it'll start qtopia anyway |
| 05:42:31 | ljp | ya.. I guess they are also putting up an image over all the start up stuff |
| 05:43:19 | Fastolfe | well, that don't make me happy because it means I'll have to stop distributing X11 packages and start making new image *without* the stupid qtopia junk |
| 05:45:20 | ljp | hmmmmm. :/ |
| 05:45:57 | Fastolfe | Oh well, hopefully kergoth will make an X11 OZ distro |
| 05:46:00 | Fastolfe | he said he would :) |
| 05:46:02 | ljp | perhaps Jason can conjole them into leavin ghtat, or perhaps a key to get to it |
| 05:46:20 | Fastolfe | ljp: yeah, that'd be great |
| 05:46:39 | Fastolfe | ljp: you know, just hide it behind a rah-rah marketdroid image, but leave it there |
| 05:47:48 | ljp | they are dummy ing it down.. |
| 05:47:54 | Fastolfe | I know :( |
| 05:48:18 | Fastolfe | But my point is, they could just make it pretty and polished, not less functional |
| 05:50:06 | ljp | ya.. Jason's the man to talk too...too bad Mitchy is gone, cause he was another techie go between |
| 05:50:34 | Fastolfe | yeah Mitchy was good |
| 05:57:24 | NeoTron | they made it so that you can't start in console mode or something? |
| 05:57:37 | Fastolfe | yes |
| 05:57:52 | NeoTron | can't you kill qtopia once it's started or does that reboot it? |
| 05:58:02 | NeoTron | has no idea since he doesn't have such a unit |
| 05:58:34 | roge99 | where are they sticking in that feature |
| 05:58:51 | roge99 | im lookin thru the init scripts now and i dont see it |
| 05:58:59 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: when you terminate qtopia, it'll rerun /sbin/launch, which doesn't allow you to go in the console, so it restart qtopia |
| 05:59:06 | roge99 | what happens if you set initdefault to 1 |
| 05:59:22 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: ok |
| 05:59:23 | Fastolfe | unless you can overwrite /sbin/launch, I'm not changing from 1/08 :) |
| 05:59:40 | Fastolfe | roge99: good question |
| 05:59:52 | Fastolfe | roge99: I think it runs /sbin/launch regardless |
| 06:00:00 | roge99 | im trying it now |
| 06:00:10 | Fastolfe | what rom do you have ? |
| 06:00:41 | roge99 | OZ 2.6 |
| 06:00:50 | Fastolfe | I'm talking about sharp images |
| 06:00:58 | ljp | OZ will always have that option. :) |
| 06:01:02 | Fastolfe | yep |
| 06:01:13 | roge99 | still came up |
| 06:01:24 | roge99 | yea i know i still have the option |
| 06:01:43 | roge99 | im just trying to find out where it gets called from |
| 06:02:43 | roge99 | hmm launch is called from inittab |
| 06:03:08 | roge99 | if you set it to once you should be able to kill it and not have it respawn |
| 06:03:37 | roge99 | comment's out /sbin/launch and reboots |
| 06:03:47 | NeoTron | gah |
| 06:04:20 | NeoTron | Config doesn't quote strings for you. how rude. :P |
| 06:04:52 | Fastolfe | Okay : here's a challange for y'all : I have all reasons to believe the kernel's scancode->keycode mapping is messed up and that you can't type [, ], {, }, and ` from the keyboard in any possible way. If you care to try and you prove me wrong by giving me working key combos for those characters, I'll personally send you $10 :-) |
| 06:05:33 | roge99 | well the q palmtop didn't stat but i got no console |
| 06:05:40 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 06:05:44 | roge99 | i can stil ssh though |
| 06:05:51 | Fastolfe | killing qtopia is a very good start |
| 06:06:04 | roge99 | it starts from inittab |
| 06:06:04 | Fastolfe | replace the /sbin/launch with a getty |
| 06:06:09 | roge99 | yep |
| 06:06:14 | roge99 | easy enough |
| 06:06:58 | roge99 | or fireone up via ssh |
| 06:07:03 | roge99 | that workd |
| 06:07:26 | roge99 | sl5k login: |
| 06:07:30 | roge99 | sweet |
| 06:07:37 | ljp | anybody tried jumpx?? |
| 06:10:15 | Fastolfe | jumpx ? |
| 06:10:40 | Fastolfe | Aah great, fbvncserver works on the latest OZ after all |
| 06:12:16 | ljp | // cerr<<peakmax<<endl; |
| 06:12:23 | ljp | whoopas.. not that |
| 06:12:39 | ljp | http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e9326522/jumpx/ |
| 06:14:01 | Fastolfe | OOHH |
| 06:14:19 | Fastolfe | I just hit a wierd key combo that panics the kernel |
| 06:14:44 | roge99 | Fastolfe: hmmm init isnt working the way it should |
| 06:15:20 | Fastolfe | yes, I figured it's been butchered to be annoying for tech-heads |
| 06:15:46 | Fastolfe | damn, I locked my Z hard ... |
| 06:15:59 | roge99 | what keys did ya wack |
| 06:16:11 | Fastolfe | I'm going to try again in a minute |
| 06:16:15 | Fastolfe | not sure |
| 06:16:42 | roge99 | ln:45:respawn:/sbin/launch |
| 06:17:24 | roge99 | should only run in rl 4 &5 but runs nomatter what you set id:2:initdefault: to |
| 06:17:28 | Fastolfe | lol ! |
| 06:17:50 | Fastolfe | I didn't lock anything, it happened that I was typing something when the Z ran out of battery :) |
| 06:17:58 | roge99 | lol |
| 06:18:00 | Fastolfe | plugs the power cord |
| 06:18:10 | roge99 | i hate when that happes |
| 06:18:45 | Fastolfe | it's usually plugged in all the time, but I was trying CDCEther on the cradle and I took it off the cradle :)) |
| 06:18:53 | Fastolfe | *damn USB* |
| 06:19:48 | roge99 | hehehe |
| 06:19:58 | Fastolfe | boy am I glad I made that VNC server |
| 06:20:05 | Fastolfe | it's sooo comfortable to develop on the PC |
| 06:20:09 | roge99 | hmm how bout a wrapper |
| 06:20:36 | roge99 | for /sbin/launch |
| 06:21:32 | Fastolfe | roge99: like Checkhov said : When you start trying a lot of medication for an ailment, you can be sure it's because there is no cure :) |
| 06:21:56 | roge99 | write a little somtin to prompt you and either fireup a console or run launch |
| 06:22:09 | roge99 | shouldnt be too hard |
| 06:22:13 | Fastolfe | yeah I guess |
| 06:22:25 | roge99 | or just run OZ |
| 06:22:34 | Fastolfe | or just install the old /sbin/launch in ram and point /etc/inittab to it |
| 06:22:43 | Fastolfe | tada |
| 06:22:45 | Fastolfe | is clever |
| 06:22:45 | roge99 | that would work too |
| 06:23:07 | Fastolfe | or just screw new dumbed-down Sharp images |
| 06:23:57 | roge99 | ok so whos gona fix init ? |
| 06:24:04 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 06:24:18 | Fastolfe | sounds like we have a volunteer |
| 06:24:23 | Fastolfe | points at roge99 |
| 06:24:34 | roge99 | yea right |
| 06:24:43 | Fastolfe | oh come on :) |
| 06:25:25 | roge99 | maybe if it was written in perl :-) |
| 06:26:10 | Fastolfe | ... then nobody could fix it :-) |
| 06:26:21 | roge99 | this would be true |
| 06:26:59 | roge99 | :-P |
| 06:28:28 | Fastolfe | ah CRAP I did it again |
| 06:28:35 | Fastolfe | can't program kernel modules ... |
| 06:28:39 | Fastolfe | sob |
| 06:28:45 | roge99 | what did you do |
| 06:28:49 | Fastolfe | panic |
| 06:28:59 | Fastolfe | I forgot to initialize a pointer |
| 06:29:06 | Fastolfe | slaps himself on the head |
| 06:30:11 | Fastolfe | nicotine calls |
| 06:30:12 | roge99 | Fastolfe: use a hammer .... you get better results |
| 06:30:14 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 06:30:21 | Fastolfe | yeah it's tempting :) |
| 06:38:48 | Fastolfe | I wonder if I should implement vnc+sound, that *that* would be hot :) |
| 06:38:52 | Fastolfe | hey BZF |
| 06:40:15 | roge99 | Fastolfe: yea that would be hot |
| 06:41:08 | Trisk[awaay] | Fastolfe: use NAS or arts? |
| 06:41:44 | Fastolfe | Trisk[awaay]: NAS ? arts ? |
| 06:42:06 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: you're testing the /join command ? |
| 06:42:07 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 06:42:40 | Fastolfe | Trisk[awaay]: ooh ok sorry |
| 06:42:59 | Fastolfe | Trisk[awaay]: I meant, VNC+sound, there is a guy who did that |
| 06:43:08 | Fastolfe | Trisk[awaay]: special server and client and all |
| 06:43:58 | BZFlag | Fastolfe: trying to get auto-ops in another channel. |
| 06:44:29 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 06:44:35 | Fastolfe | I figured |
| 06:44:50 | BZFlag | hmm still does not op me. oh well |
| 06:47:32 | roge99 | time for sleep |
| 06:48:06 | roge99_sleep | nite all |
| 06:48:36 | Fastolfe | nite man |
| 06:49:17 | roge99_sleep | Fastolfe: nite - good luck with your panics :-) |
| 06:49:31 | roge99_sleep | is away: sleep |
| 06:50:08 | BZFlag | anyone using gprs on the Z (or on linux) |
| 06:50:36 | BZFlag | I can't get my motorola p280 w/ voicestream to connect. |
| 07:21:01 | scribe | hey guys. |
| 07:21:09 | Fastolfe | hello fellow human being |
| 07:21:12 | scribe | can someone help me with the qtopia sdk. |
| 07:21:31 | Fastolfe | I'm definitely the wrong guy to help you I'm 'fraid |
| 07:21:45 | scribe | I'm trying to get other apps installed in qvfb/qpe sdk emulator |
| 07:21:50 | scribe | :) |
| 07:21:55 | Fastolfe | nice try :) |
| 07:21:57 | scribe | Fastolfe: That's ok. |
| 07:22:02 | Fastolfe | I don't know really |
| 07:22:11 | Fastolfe | I hardly ever run qtopia |
| 07:23:57 | Kand-ALF | moin |
| 07:24:01 | Kand-ALF | anyone awake ? |
| 07:24:02 | Kand-ALF | :) |
| 07:24:04 | Fastolfe | moin moin |
| 07:24:20 | Kand-ALF | kergoth, whardier ? :) |
| 07:24:51 | Fastolfe | not here |
| 07:42:23 | Fastolfe | anybody knows where I can find a really good image of the zaurus with the keyboard open ? |
| 08:02:10 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 08:02:24 | NeoTron | how can I get a list of the default icons available in qpe? |
| 08:02:35 | NeoTron | i.e where in the source should I look? |
| 08:04:03 | Trisk[awaay] | NeoTron: pics dir..? |
| 08:04:35 | Trisk[awaay] | or do a find -name '*.png' |
| 08:06:08 | Trisk[awaay] | Fastolfe: http://www.sharp.co.uk/pda/images/PDA_OPEN.jpg |
| 08:08:25 | Fastolfe | yeah, I saw that one, but it's not flat |
| 08:08:43 | Fastolfe | thanks anyway |
| 08:56:48 | NeoTron | cool. Nice little doc browser setup. |
| 09:01:33 | whardier | ? |
| 09:01:53 | whardier | I R Awake |
| 09:02:20 | NeoTron | is writing docs etc. |
| 09:05:11 | NeoTron | hmm. Know if it's possible to add your own rules to tmake? |
| 09:05:24 | NeoTron | (i.e how to generate file foo from file bar, |
| 09:28:26 | NeoTron | yawns. |
| 09:28:28 | NeoTron | shoudl go to bed. |
| 09:39:28 | whardier | we need to delete a single byte from the beginning of a 7 gig file |
| 09:39:35 | whardier | anybody got a fast way of doing this :) |
| 09:40:00 | NeoTron | gah, when x-compiling you certainly have a limited c++ library... |
| 14:53:31 | ep0ch | does linux use /etc/defaultrouter? |
| 14:58:25 | ljp | not in my experience |
| 14:59:36 | ep0ch | do you know how to add a default route? 'route add default 192.168.1.200'?? |
| 15:00:03 | ljp | yep same command |
| 15:00:51 | ep0ch | SIOCADDRT: No such device |
| 15:02:19 | ljp | route add default 192.168.1.200 eth0 |
| 15:28:47 | roge99_sleep | is back (gone 08:39:16) |
| 15:29:04 | roge99 | morning all |
| 15:32:40 | ljp | hiya |
| 15:33:20 | roge99 | you forgot the gw in that route command |
| 15:33:34 | roge99 | route add default gw 192.xxx |
| 15:35:43 | ljp | whoops.. too early.. |
| 15:36:01 | ljp | what OS uses /etc/defaultrouter? |
| 15:36:07 | roge99 | solaris |
| 15:39:25 | JasonNJ | anyone able to get fastolfe's VNC server working right? |
| 15:39:31 | JasonNJ | I can connect to it but I cant control |
| 15:39:51 | JasonNJ | I tried his calibration instructions but there is no way to get any feedback from teh deamon that it worked |
| 15:39:52 | roge99 | havent tried it yet |
| 15:40:15 | roge99 | morning JasonNJ |
| 15:40:36 | roge99 | JasonNJ: how was the rest of the show |
| 15:40:43 | JasonNJ | not bad |
| 15:40:49 | JasonNJ | I'm still kind of beat |
| 15:41:10 | roge99 | i was dissapointed .... it was pretty small this year |
| 15:41:11 | JasonNJ | man this is so cool to be able to view the zaurus display via the browser |
| 15:41:33 | JasonNJ | the playstation linux stuff was neat |
| 15:41:41 | roge99 | yea that was cool |
| 15:42:01 | roge99 | i cant belive that sgi didn't show |
| 15:42:42 | roge99 | they usually have a killer booth |
| 15:42:47 | ljp | Jason, I don't think he's got it all hooked up yet |
| 15:43:08 | JasonNJ | hmm cause in the release notes he talks about a calibration deamon |
| 15:45:05 | ljp | hmm..I don't know. I haven't been paying attention to his VNC stuff. I have been updating embeddedkonsole |
| 15:45:22 | JasonNJ | yeah I gotta try your new version |
| 15:45:27 | JasonNJ | thanks for reminding me |
| 15:46:01 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Calibration is required for VNC stuff |
| 15:47:00 | ljp | OZ is going to include my version of konsole :D |
| 15:47:05 | JasonNJ | sj: yeah but I dont think his calibration deamon works |
| 15:47:06 | ljp | its in the cvs |
| 15:47:29 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Opps. I meant is _not_ required. |
| 15:48:40 | JasonNJ | sj: hmm. |
| 15:48:51 | JasonNJ | I'm using his java vnc client |
| 15:49:01 | JasonNJ | doesnt accept input though |
| 15:49:34 | sjohnson | Calibration for touch screens is to figure the offsets and scaling factions necessary to match physical location on the display. |
| 15:51:38 | roge99 | is away: out -n- about |
| 15:52:26 | sjohnson | What's the latest word on the driver Spectrum 24 CF WLAN cards? |
| 15:53:32 | JasonNJ | we're still working on it |
| 15:53:47 | JasonNJ | bzflag at lineo is dealing with the firmware issues |
| 15:56:00 | ljp | JasonNJ: someone here last night was saying that Sharp is going to charge for new rom's after the release date. True? |
| 15:56:09 | JasonNJ | what? |
| 15:56:12 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Any estimated ETA of the driver? |
| 15:56:22 | JasonNJ | who said that? |
| 15:56:34 | JasonNJ | we are NOT charging for the roms |
| 15:56:41 | ljp | I don't know.. some new guy |
| 15:56:50 | JasonNJ | well, he's wrong :) |
| 15:57:06 | JasonNJ | sj: no ETA on the driver yet |
| 15:57:10 | ljp | ya I didn't think he knew whathe was talking about... |
| 15:57:28 | JasonNJ | did he say where he got his info from? |
| 15:58:02 | ljp | no |
| 15:58:31 | ljp | I think he said someone at LWE |
| 15:58:40 | JasonNJ | well it sure as hell wasnt me |
| 15:59:55 | ljp | ya, that doesn't really make much sense |
| 16:02:30 | ljp | wow.. I just heard that tanks were guarding the super bowl! |
| 16:05:12 | Aelfweld | the standalone usb package on sourceforge worked fine on my redhat 7.1 system |
| 16:05:15 | Aelfweld | o) |
| 16:06:52 | sjohnson | tanks?!? |
| 16:07:12 | ljp | Sjohnson: yep.. frickin' tanks |
| 16:07:37 | ljp | Aelfweld: what kernel version? |
| 16:07:46 | Aelfweld | 2.4.9-21 |
| 16:46:42 | kyoorius | jason, do u work for sharp? |
| 17:29:17 | Hellaenergy | Warning! Ethereal hoses Evolution |
| 17:30:12 | Hellaenergy | Wouldn't tha be nice to have Ethereal on the Z. |
| 17:30:33 | Hellaenergy | I can't seem to download the damb source, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh |
| 17:47:24 | sven | Hey guys |
| 17:47:36 | sven | can the Z, do usbnet networking? |
| 17:51:46 | sjohnson | sven: Yes and no. It |
| 17:52:15 | sjohnson | It's not usbnet, but it can do usb networking, but the linux connectivity wasn't working with linux last I heard. |
| 17:53:53 | Aelf-afk | its working for me using the module on the sourceforge site |
| 17:54:10 | Aelf-afk | my linux box is rh7.1 kernel 2.4.9-21 |
| 17:54:31 | Aelf-afk | and I am using the 2.6b openzaurus rom |
| 17:55:44 | kyoorius | hey, would there be any operational problems if I flashed the sharp 1.02 rom back into the Z after having OZ 2.6b in there? |
| 17:55:59 | Aelf-afk | nope I did that myself once |
| 17:56:13 | Aelf-afk | just save your data since it get wiped |
| 17:56:16 | kyoorius | I did notice that in the OZ flash, there's a zimage and bootflag file as well. |
| 17:56:32 | Aelf-afk | those files are inside the romimage file |
| 17:56:33 | kyoorius | but not in the sharp rom. |
| 17:56:37 | kyoorius | IC. |
| 17:56:38 | kyoorius | cool. |
| 17:56:58 | kyoorius | aelf: how are you xferring files to/from PC to Z? |
| 17:57:02 | Aelf-afk | the 2.4b was just like the sharp one. they just changed it to not stick them all in ne file |
| 17:57:09 | kyoorius | I found some problems with Samba and SSH in traffering files > 100K. |
| 17:57:24 | Aelf-afk | yes I just used ftp to put zic on the z and I was webbrowsing |
| 17:57:46 | kyoorius | ftp eh? |
| 17:58:01 | Aelf-afk | of course I installed zic but cannot find where it stuck the binary |
| 17:58:07 | Aelf-afk | yes ftp on port 4242 |
| 17:58:29 | kyoorius | im thinking that samba + ssh store the data in some temporary buffer before writing to disk, and the Z is running out, which is why large file transfers dont go through. |
| 17:58:56 | Aelf-afk | could be |
| 18:00:00 | kyoorius | oh, btw whoever was asking how to do a [ and ] from the kbd yesterday, its: CTRL-SHIFT-BS & CTRL-SHIFT-, |
| 18:01:09 | kyoorius | i'd like to see an up arrow button, so i can do tab completion. |
| 18:01:34 | Mallory | Just use the up on the round thingie |
| 18:01:40 | kyoorius | does that work? |
| 18:01:43 | Mallory | yes |
| 18:01:49 | kyoorius | sweet! |
| 18:01:50 | Mallory | Try it out :) |
| 18:02:22 | kyoorius | HAHAHAHA |
| 18:02:27 | kyoorius | these little things keep me happy. |
| 18:02:32 | sjohnson | Center button is a space, the OK is return and Cancel is a TAB |
| 18:02:51 | Mallory | I thought cancel was ESC |
| 18:02:57 | Mallory | (in vi, for example, it is) |
| 18:03:03 | kyoorius | those buttons are too far away. I'd sprain my thumb doing taht repeatedly. |
| 18:03:55 | sjohnson | cancel might be ESC in vi, but on console it's a TAB |
| 18:04:29 | kyoorius | that is wierd. i'd think that a keymap is a keymap |
| 18:04:52 | sven | how do you edit the keymap? |
| 18:04:59 | kyoorius | cant seem to find any technical info on how the control buttons map out. |
| 18:05:33 | sjohnson | in QPE I have no idea |
| 18:20:25 | roge99 | kyoorius: theres a pdf about the key mappings ( i think its on sharps site) |
| 18:20:33 | roge99 | is back (gone 02:28:55) |
| 18:26:32 | roge99 | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/doc/pdf/SL5000KeyAssign.pdf |
| 18:29:34 | kyoorius | i got that. doesnt say anything about the control buttons. |
| 18:37:15 | roge99 | what do mean like CTRL-C |
| 18:37:38 | roge99 | or the 6 buttons on the front of the unit |
| 18:38:31 | roge99 | check out |
| 18:38:33 | roge99 | http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/doc/pdf/keycode_qt.pdf |
| 18:40:46 | kyoorius | thats the ticket. |
| 18:41:09 | kyoorius | whoa.. there's an event for LEFT & rotate 270 degrees.. |
| 18:41:14 | kyoorius | like a playstation cheat code.. |
| 18:55:53 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: yo |
| 18:56:05 | Hellaenergy | Hey bro :) |
| 18:56:08 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: you gona be round tonight |
| 18:56:20 | Hellaenergy | No I don't think so |
| 18:56:28 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: or ya gona be Hellaenergy_drinken |
| 18:56:48 | Hellaenergy | Hellaenergy_drinkin_lovin |
| 18:56:58 | roge99 | :-) |
| 18:57:22 | Hellaenergy | Every once in a while you gotta get away :) |
| 18:57:41 | Hellaenergy | I downloaded ethereal :| |
| 18:57:44 | roge99 | I got to run to a birthday party now |
| 18:57:50 | roge99 | yea i saw your message |
| 18:57:53 | Hellaenergy | Have fun :) |
| 18:58:01 | roge99 | we can ts later |
| 18:58:13 | Hellaenergy | Any quick advise? |
| 18:58:32 | roge99 | we will look for packets passing the router |
| 18:58:53 | roge99 | you dont have iptables or ipchains setup do you ? |
| 18:59:09 | Hellaenergy | No |
| 18:59:31 | roge99 | Ok gotta run talk w/ ya later |
| 18:59:35 | Hellaenergy | Peace |
| 19:00:05 | roge99_away | is away: out-n-about |
| 19:00:05 | tux_mike | anyone play with QT Designer? |
| 19:07:23 | ljp | I do, sometimes |
| 19:13:15 | ljp | why? |
| 19:14:53 | tux_mike | you use tmake to change the ui files to source code? |
| 19:20:55 | ljp | nope uic, like this |
| 19:21:09 | ljp | uic -o myFile.h myFile.ui |
| 19:21:25 | ljp | uic -o myFile.cpp -impl myFile.cpp myFile.ui |
| 19:21:31 | ljp | errr |
| 19:21:47 | ljp | uic -o myFile.cpp -impl myFile.h myFile.ui |
| 19:22:16 | ljp | use tmake to create a Makefile from a myFile.pro |
| 19:37:03 | timeless | i wanto buy this how is it workin' out for you guys |
| 19:41:31 | ljp | great! |
| 19:41:48 | ljp | The software is still very muchin development |
| 19:43:42 | NeoTron | still does layout programmatically |
| 19:45:43 | tux_mike | another question, how can you tell the parent in the qt designer? |
| 19:46:20 | NeoTron | "The item after the removed item becomes the new current list item if the removed item is not the last item in the list. If the last item is removed, the new last item becomes the current item. The current item is set to null if the list becomes empty. |
| 19:46:21 | NeoTron | " |
| 19:46:49 | NeoTron | how irritating. It makes it somewhat hard to make a QList iteration that deletes entries if sometimes the iter becomes the next, sometimes the previous |
| 19:48:02 | timeless | so you are here |
| 19:48:24 | timeless | how is it |
| 19:48:41 | NeoTron | ah, fixed my problem. |
| 19:49:16 | NeoTron | timeless: wouldn't know personally. don't own one unfortunately |
| 19:49:44 | timeless | you know if there is a shell |
| 19:51:28 | NeoTron | bah. :P |
| 19:52:19 | ljp | timeless: There is embeddedkonsole as an addon in the consumer version. |
| 19:53:15 | tux_mike | it's not gonna be included? |
| 19:53:30 | ljp | nope. but it's an easy install |
| 19:53:47 | NeoTron | it doesn't make a whole lot of sense in a consumer version so I don't blame them |
| 19:53:58 | tux_mike | ljp: do you know how to see the parent of a widget in qt designer? |
| 19:57:51 | Hellaenergy | where does /bin/hostname get its info? |
| 19:58:39 | Hellaenergy | anyone know? |
| 19:59:03 | sjohnson | A kernel call |
| 19:59:28 | Hellaenergy | How do I set it permenently? |
| 20:00:23 | sjohnson | It depends on boot scripts. The "permanent" host name is generally get from a configure file during the initial boot scripts. |
| 20:00:40 | sjohnson | I don't know where it is on the Sharp |
| 20:00:59 | fusion94 | The host name is usually set once at system startup in |
| 20:00:59 | fusion94 | /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 or /etc/init.d/boot (normally by read- |
| 20:00:59 | fusion94 | ing the contents of a file which contains the host name, |
| 20:00:59 | fusion94 | e.g. /etc/hostname). |
| 20:01:10 | Hellaenergy | rc.sysinit? |
| 20:01:51 | sjohnson | grep for 'hostname' in the boot scripts. That will be the script you want to look at. |
| 20:02:11 | sjohnson | 's zaurus ia at the office |
| 20:05:25 | sjohnson | smachs himself. He's get a backup of the ext2 fs's |
| 20:06:28 | NeoTron | decides to look at qcanvas |
| 20:06:30 | sjohnson | Hellaenergy: They're setting the host name in /etc/rc.d/rc.local to 'locahost' |
| 20:06:41 | sjohnson | er, 'localhost'. |
| 20:07:00 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 20:07:11 | sjohnson | They don't have a config file to hold a hostname. |
| 20:08:06 | Hellaenergy | accually mine is being set to sl5k |
| 20:08:57 | sjohnson | I guess it depends on the romimage |
| 20:09:06 | sjohnson | version |
| 20:09:51 | Hellaenergy | What are you running? |
| 20:10:09 | sjohnson | An old sharp romimage |
| 20:10:20 | Hellaenergy | oz 2.6 here |
| 20:11:56 | sjohnson | OZ is still a little too 'beta' for me. |
| 20:12:27 | Hellaenergy | I thik the sharp stuff is much more beta |
| 20:12:31 | NeoTron | I think qcanvas is unecessary for what I'm doing. /me adds double buffering instead |
| 20:12:37 | scanline | is back (gone 15:35:26) |
| 20:12:54 | Hellaenergy | sjohnson: What aspects are you refering to? |
| 20:16:17 | sjohnson | Just the overall "feel" of it. |
| 20:16:56 | sjohnson | I'm really waiting in great anticipation of jffs2. Then I can really cut lose... :) |
| 20:18:09 | sjohnson | QPE and qtopia is nice, but what I really want is Familiar and X windows. |
| 20:18:11 | Hellaenergy | Yes I am excited to see what sharp will finally release as well :) |
| 20:18:26 | Hellaenergy | When the hell is that going to be is the question. |
| 20:19:17 | sjohnson | I figure March. I think the comsumer romimage still needs a lot of polishing before it's ready for primetime. |
| 20:19:47 | Hellaenergy | Are we even going to be able to install it on the sl5kd, though? |
| 20:20:17 | sjohnson | Hellaenergy: I don't have any inside info but I think so |
| 20:20:34 | Hellaenergy | Hope so :\ |
| 20:20:41 | sjohnson | The only hardware differece between the 5000 and 5500 is more RAM. |
| 20:21:44 | Hellaenergy | So the ROM stays the same |
| 20:22:16 | Hellaenergy | What is the largest Rom image this device can handle, I wonder? |
| 20:22:50 | sjohnson | yes. I'd like to so 32MB of flash, but I can suvive with 16MB + SD/MMC cards/ :) |
| 20:23:26 | Hellaenergy | That will be nice once we can accually write to the rom :) |
| 20:23:38 | Hellaenergy | jffs2 |
| 20:25:42 | sjohnson | Yes. I can't so enough good things about jffs2, and what a big difference it makes. |
| 20:26:17 | Hellaenergy | is it a hog? |
| 20:27:57 | sjohnson | Well, it can get a bit slow during large amounts of writes. The garbage collector has to work overtime. (poor little thing) |
| 20:28:17 | sjohnson | But overall, I's just a tad slower then cramfs on reads. |
| 20:52:53 | scanline | is away: standing in the wet room |
| 21:23:57 | scanline | is back (gone 00:31:04) |
| 21:41:13 | Fastolfe | Hello everybody |
| 21:46:33 | tux_mike | hey Fastolfe |
| 21:46:55 | Fastolfe | howdy tux |
| 21:47:02 | Fastolfe | how are you mister ? |
| 21:48:03 | tux_mike | hrmm.... i think i have to rewrite my ui for the input |
| 21:48:26 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 21:48:29 | NeoTron | gah. my new supposedly flicker free drawing flickers... |
| 21:48:30 | Fastolfe | sounds like fun |
| 21:48:32 | NeoTron | how amazingly annoying' |
| 21:48:33 | tux_mike | i need to add a QScrollView |
| 21:48:46 | tux_mike | shouldn't be too hard... i just have to get that into designer |
| 21:49:27 | NeoTron | believe it's because it clears to the background pixmap, which sometimes is visible. I want it to retain the previous state.. hmm |
| 21:51:23 | Fastolfe | Does anybody know if there is an equivalent of "xmessage" under qtopia ? |
| 21:51:44 | tux_mike | dunno |
| 21:52:25 | NeoTron | should be easy to implement otherwise |
| 21:53:38 | NeoTron | aha! Flicker free. Whee. :P |
| 21:58:26 | ljp | whats xmessage? |
| 22:02:36 | tux_mike | grumbe. i think i need to write all this stuff by hand :/ |
| 22:05:43 | ljp | Fastolfe: QMessageBox??? |
| 22:08:29 | antlarr | hello |
| 22:08:36 | ljp | hiya |
| 22:11:48 | antlarr | Can somebody help me with a problem I have in an app I'm doing ? |
| 22:11:51 | tux_mike | hrmm... anyone know what qt widget will give me a look like the outlook card view? |
| 22:12:03 | tux_mike | antlarr: i can try |
| 22:12:37 | Fastolfe | sorry back |
| 22:12:44 | antlarr | tux_mike: do you know how AlarmServer works (specifically, how it sends alarms to your application) ? |
| 22:12:47 | Fastolfe | ljp: Oh ? |
| 22:12:49 | Fastolfe | tries |
| 22:12:55 | tux_mike | nope |
| 22:13:04 | antlarr | well, thanks anyway :) |
| 22:13:27 | ljp | Fastolfe: is that what you want? or something from the commandline? |
| 22:13:31 | antlarr | the problem is that when my app is not running and an alarm is triggered, it's supposed to execute my app and then send the alarm notification |
| 22:13:34 | Fastolfe | ljp: I'm sorry, it QMessageBox a C++ call ? :) |
| 22:13:41 | ljp | yes |
| 22:13:48 | antlarr | but it does that and then my app quits |
| 22:13:50 | antlarr | suddenly |
| 22:13:51 | Fastolfe | ljp: I just need a cmd line thingy to pop a message |
| 22:13:56 | Fastolfe | ljp: like xmessage :)) |
| 22:14:14 | antlarr | Btw, tux_mike, what kind of widget is that in outlook? |
| 22:14:19 | Fastolfe | feels SOL |
| 22:14:25 | ljp | I don't think there's anything included. Some guy wrote 'qdialog' for scripts |
| 22:14:32 | Fastolfe | k |
| 22:14:36 | Fastolfe | I might include it |
| 22:14:54 | tux_mike | the card view, it shows all the contacts as little cards, evolution does a good clone of it |
| 22:14:59 | ljp | It would be easy to write one... |
| 22:16:47 | antlarr | You could write a QListBoxItem based class that represents just a card and then insert many of those into a QListBox... |
| 22:17:09 | antlarr | (anyway, don't know if that would work) |
| 22:17:30 | tux_mike | looks like that would |
| 22:17:37 | Fastolfe | Little poll everybody : I'm doing an extension to the VNC server so that it also displays the state of the 2 LEDs at the bottom of the screen. But I'm thinking of making it look good by emulating a Zaurus case and keyboard around the display. As an added bonus, that would allow me to emulate the keyboard through the mouse also, but the server would become larger because of the image. What would you prefer ? nice looking and bigger or bargain-bas |
| 22:17:37 | Fastolfe | ement looking and smaller ? |
| 22:17:45 | Fastolfe | oops |
| 22:18:02 | tux_mike | how much bigger |
| 22:18:10 | Fastolfe | maybe as much as 50K |
| 22:18:40 | tux_mike | good trade off. if i was to use it, i'd sacrifice 50k |
| 22:18:47 | Fastolfe | okay |
| 22:18:48 | ljp | nice looking.. |
| 22:18:58 | ljp | impressions are everything |
| 22:19:03 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 22:19:06 | Fastolfe | that's true |
| 22:20:13 | Fastolfe | okay then, JasonNJ: do you know where I can find hi-res images of the Z facing dead straight (flat) with the keyboard open ? I'm thinking, maybe Sharp has some for the press or something ? |
| 22:20:23 | Fastolfe | I can't find any myself on the innurnet |
| 22:21:45 | whardier | innurnet? |
| 22:21:46 | BZFlag | Fastolfe: it would be nice to have that optional. |
| 22:22:01 | whardier | I can take a 1600x1200 of it |
| 22:22:02 | Fastolfe | whardier: hello fellow human being |
| 22:22:05 | BZFlag | a parent app that swallows the smaller version etc/ |
| 22:22:08 | Fastolfe | whardier: "internet" |
| 22:22:22 | whardier | hello fellow flesh people.. |
| 22:22:30 | BZFlag | higher concern for me is a pixel double/triple/etc client. |
| 22:22:36 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: I'm thinking of sticking the empty case image in a jpeg, and if the jpeg isn't there, the server defaults to what it does now |
| 22:22:49 | | whardier is nothing but a mammering plate of jarring red dye number-9. |
| 22:22:49 | BZFlag | ibot insult whardier |
| 22:22:50 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 22:22:56 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 22:23:00 | whardier | we have soap here like that |
| 22:23:00 | Fastolfe | this is good |
| 22:23:15 | Fastolfe | soap ? |
| 22:23:19 | whardier | heh |
| 22:24:08 | whardier | yeah.. when we first got to the condo here, the bathroom had two jars of yellow translucent goolabled "Sample 1"and "Sample 2" |
| 22:24:18 | whardier | we were scared |
| 22:24:25 | whardier | but eventually found out it was soap |
| 22:25:06 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 22:25:32 | Fastolfe | hey whard, do you have a scanner ? |
| 22:25:41 | Fastolfe | for the image I mean ? |
| 22:27:00 | Fastolfe | brb Lady Nicotine is calling |
| 22:28:50 | ljp | Fastolfe: I have a scanner at work. It's only a few blocks away.... |
| 22:30:18 | whardier | no scanner here |
| 22:30:30 | whardier | besides you would need too much touchup on theimage |
| 22:30:40 | Fastolfe | ljp: well, if you pass by your office, can you take a hi-res scan of the Z's face with the keyboard open ? :) |
| 22:30:51 | Fastolfe | ljp: (hint hint nudge nudge say no more) |
| 22:31:26 | Fastolfe | whardier: I can do the touchup, I'm rather handy with gimp, but I need a square image |
| 22:31:30 | ljp | ya.. I can go now.. if ya want.. it's 6 blocks away |
| 22:31:45 | Fastolfe | ljp: don't go if you don't want, I don't want to force you |
| 22:32:12 | ljp | nothing forced... |
| 22:32:13 | Fastolfe | ljp: I can always get by with a shitty image for now |
| 22:32:39 | ljp | it'll take maybe 15 minutes... :D |
| 22:32:54 | Fastolfe | okay then, thanks a lot |
| 22:32:57 | NeoTron | QPixmap::operator=: Cannot assign to pixmap during painting |
| 22:32:57 | NeoTron | <-- any way to figure out where that happens? :P |
| 22:33:06 | NeoTron | like a special breakpoint or whatever |
| 22:33:28 | ljp | Fastolf:jpg? |
| 22:33:36 | Fastolfe | tiff if you can |
| 22:33:41 | ljp | sure |
| 22:33:47 | Fastolfe | but they're huge, so jpg will do fine too |
| 22:34:14 | Fastolfe | as long as it's high res it'll do great |
| 22:34:21 | ljp | that's ok, I have dsl :) |
| 22:34:40 | Fastolfe | oh, I thought maybe you'd bring it back on a diskette :) |
| 22:34:44 | Fastolfe | that's what I do :) |
| 22:35:14 | BZFlag | what me to do a scan? |
| 22:35:25 | ljp | well for a tiff, I was just going to put it on my laptop and upload from here, where I have dsl |
| 22:35:26 | BZFlag | I did scans of the serial card, but no link anywhere yet. |
| 22:35:27 | Fastolfe | heh sure, that'll save ljp a trip |
| 22:35:48 | Fastolfe | ljp: hold on, looks like BZF is equipped |
| 22:35:55 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: are you ? |
| 22:36:18 | BZFlag | http://zaurus.sourceforge.net/img/ce170ts-bg.jpg |
| 22:36:25 | BZFlag | http://zaurus.sourceforge.net/img/ce170ts-fg.jpg |
| 22:36:37 | BZFlag | at home, yes. |
| 22:36:54 | Fastolfe | are you here ? :)) |
| 22:37:03 | BZFlag | nope, I'm home. |
| 22:37:18 | Fastolfe | can you do a scan of the Z's front panel then ? |
| 22:37:21 | BZFlag | I'll do a scan in 10 minute or so. |
| 22:37:29 | Fastolfe | okay, rock'n'roll |
| 22:37:46 | Fastolfe | ljp: looks like you can stay home after all eh |
| 22:37:47 | ljp | holy gazooks that's a big image! |
| 22:37:51 | BZFlag | kbd open? then you can edit that portion out if you want? |
| 22:38:13 | JasonNJ | what is that a serial cable autopsy? |
| 22:38:22 | BZFlag | ljp: ;-) I wanted to be able to read the part numbers. |
| 22:38:25 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: yeah, if I have an image of the Z with the kbd open, then I'll make a sliding kbd in VNC for fun |
| 22:38:30 | BZFlag | JasonNJ: yes. |
| 22:39:31 | Fastolfe | starts coding the jpg decoder in fbvncserver |
| 22:39:50 | ljp | BZ: looks like Japanese to me :) |
| 22:40:08 | JasonNJ | fastolfe: ask dlewis@sharpsec.com |
| 22:41:19 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: thanks, but no need to bother him, I should be okay with BZF's scan |
| 22:46:31 | Fastolfe | Anybody know if it's possible to tell qpe what touchscreen device file it should use instead of the default /dev/ts > |
| 22:46:32 | Fastolfe | ? |
| 22:50:12 | JasonNJ | fastolfe: are you looking at doing some kind of custom VNC client or something? |
| 22:51:04 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: I'm doing an optional Zaurus case and graphical keyboard emulation in VNC, that'll also show the status of the 2 leds |
| 22:51:28 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: but the client will be stock |
| 22:51:41 | JasonNJ | oh I hope you plan to do it in Windows as well as Linux |
| 22:51:42 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: it's only in the server |
| 22:51:56 | JasonNJ | how can you do that in the server? |
| 22:52:06 | Fastolfe | French magic my friend :) |
| 22:52:19 | Fastolfe | I can just add bitmaps around the main screen |
| 22:52:31 | Fastolfe | and map zones to keys |
| 22:52:47 | Fastolfe | and change tiny screen zones to make the leds flash |
| 22:57:39 | scanline | is away: buying overpriced fruit drinks for yuppies |
| 22:58:36 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 22:58:55 | Fastolfe | I always thought scanline looked like a vending machine |
| 23:00:33 | Fastolfe | ah! the jpeg loading routine is already done and BZF isn't back with his scan yes ;-) |
| 23:04:18 | scanline | is back (gone 00:06:39) |
| 23:05:43 | scanline | Fasfolfe: nope, just a GUI hacker that has Zaurus envy |
| 23:05:58 | scanline | and no drinks for me... the store is closed |
| 23:06:06 | scanline | luckily i have my Pepsi! |
| 23:06:15 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 23:08:42 | Fastolfe | uuh, something's wrong, my new routines compile without error the first time ... |
| 23:09:44 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: are you still alive ? |
| 23:09:48 | ljp | maybe your just getting too good! |
| 23:10:14 | Fastolfe | ljp: I don't think so |
| 23:16:10 | JasonNJ | I gotta get OpenZaurus 2.6 loaded up on my 5000D |
| 23:16:21 | JasonNJ | kergoth: any chance on doing a 5500 version of 2.6? |
| 23:16:29 | Fastolfe | you should try the server on your 5000 |
| 23:16:36 | JasonNJ | we should probably start separating the initrd from the kernel |
| 23:17:07 | JasonNJ | kergoth: give your kernel to bzflag so he can do a 5500 drop |
| 23:20:40 | JasonNJ | trolltech is using OZ 2.6 now by the way |
| 23:21:11 | ljp | what do you mean by that? |
| 23:21:23 | JasonNJ | I mean, every person who has a Zaurus at TT is using OZ |
| 23:21:32 | Fastolfe | that's funny :) |
| 23:21:35 | ljp | ahhhh... cool |
| 23:21:48 | JasonNJ | Miguel De Icaza has Z and is running OZ |
| 23:21:57 | JasonNJ | he bought one on thursday |
| 23:22:09 | JasonNJ | everyone important in Linux has a Z now |
| 23:22:16 | JasonNJ | cause they all bought em at Linuxworld |
| 23:22:30 | JasonNJ | slashdot guys have em |
| 23:22:36 | JasonNJ | redhat has em |
| 23:22:39 | ljp | does that mean RMS also has one? |
| 23:22:46 | JasonNJ | rms does not have one |
| 23:22:57 | JasonNJ | raymond has one |
| 23:23:16 | JasonNJ | the playstation linux guys have them |
| 23:23:18 | Fastolfe | JasonNJ: pff, that's a relief, he might have starting ranting about calling the thing GNU/Zaurus |
| 23:23:34 | JasonNJ | va linux guys have em |
| 23:23:48 | JasonNJ | microsoft bought a couple too |
| 23:23:50 | ljp | heh- its not open source enough for RMS |
| 23:23:56 | JasonNJ | the ones working on mono with ximian |
| 23:23:59 | Fastolfe | good for us :) |
| 23:24:22 | Fastolfe | bzf man, I need an image |
| 23:24:47 | ljp | I don't know if I care for mono... |
| 23:25:27 | BZFlag | back. |
| 23:25:31 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 23:25:49 | BZFlag | http://zaurus.sourceforge.net/img/sl5000d.jpg |
| 23:25:54 | Fastolfe | allright |
| 23:25:57 | Fastolfe | gets it |
| 23:26:20 | Fastolfe | wow perfect |
| 23:26:25 | Fastolfe | you da man |
| 23:26:38 | Fastolfe | excellent |
| 23:28:03 | BZFlag | ;-) |
| 23:30:12 | Fastolfe | BZFlag: It's off my 0.3 degrees man, what are you doing ? :-) |
| 23:39:38 | Fastolfe | hey BZF, you didn't scan that did you ? |
| 23:43:02 | BZFlag | I did scan it. |
| 23:43:09 | Fastolfe | hmm okay |
| 23:43:13 | BZFlag | why? |
| 23:43:18 | Fastolfe | see it's strange because it shows a little parallax |
| 23:43:27 | BZFlag | that is odd. |
| 23:43:45 | Fastolfe | if you look at the pic, you can see the left edge but not the right one, like if the Z was tilted |
| 23:43:57 | Fastolfe | But that's okay, I'm fixing it up :) |
| 23:44:49 | BZFlag | yeah, I think that my scanner shoots at somewhat of an angle. wierd, huh? |
| 23:45:13 | Fastolfe | it is strange indeed |
| 23:45:20 | Fastolfe | oh well, it's a great pic to work on |
