| 00:10:27 | Neo|Work | wonder how many minutes of battery life a Zaurus would get with the IBM microdrive. :P |
| 00:14:11 | Shunt | NeoTron: It would be... minutes :) |
| 00:19:21 | Neo|Work | wouldn't it be cool if someone invented a rechargable fuel cell which lasted, say, 1000 times longer than todays. ? :P |
| 00:20:40 | Shunt | NeoTron: It would... it truly would. |
| 00:25:52 | scribe | hey guys. |
| 00:29:29 | Shunt | hey |
| 00:33:51 | scribe | are you guys entering the contest? |
| 00:34:12 | Neo|Work | I plan to yes |
| 00:35:03 | Night_Vis | does anyone sync there emails with outlook? |
| 00:35:47 | Neo|Work | MSpin: howdy |
| 00:35:49 | Night_Vis | i mean sync the Z with outlook for emails |
| 00:35:52 | Shunt | Night_Vis: I think that's just *begging* for trouble. |
| 00:35:58 | MSpin | NeoTron: heya |
| 00:35:59 | Fastolfe | holy crap, my Z is overheated |
| 00:36:11 | Night_Vis | heh |
| 00:36:18 | Neo|Work | Fastolfe: gesh. :P Put it in the freezer. heh |
| 00:36:45 | Fastolfe | I think those embedded CPUs are more designed to sleep a lot and run fast a little than run fast all the time |
| 00:36:54 | Fastolfe | the Zaurus smells like hot plastic |
| 00:37:13 | Shunt | Fastolfe: How did you overheat it? |
| 00:37:34 | Fastolfe | Shunt: by running my VNC server on it. It's draws CPU constantly |
| 00:37:47 | Neo|Work | heh |
| 00:38:02 | Fastolfe | oh well, it's taking a nap now |
| 00:38:02 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 00:38:17 | Neo|Work | how much CPU does it use? |
| 00:38:54 | Fastolfe | not that much, but the fact that it uses CPU at all means the CPU never has a chance to go into low power mode |
| 00:39:19 | Shunt | Does anybody use the QTpalmtopcenter thingy? |
| 00:39:28 | Fastolfe | On Winblows ? |
| 00:39:34 | Fastolfe | I tested it for a while |
| 00:39:42 | Shunt | on windows or on linux? |
| 00:39:53 | Fastolfe | I didn't try on Linux |
| 00:39:58 | Night_Vis | anyone having problems playing mp3 from CF card, my songs are playing in slowmo |
| 00:40:42 | Fastolfe | Night_Vis: the sound driver is broken, it plays at weird bitrates, like 16000 hz, or 32000 hz |
| 00:41:12 | Night_Vis | I guess no new drivers came out then |
| 00:41:19 | Fastolfe | but I heard mpg123 does a good job at overcoming the prob |
| 00:41:27 | Fastolfe | Night_Vis: not that I know of |
| 00:41:29 | Shunt | I am writing a replacement, it's able to download and edit, save contacts now.. just wondering if it's worth it. |
| 00:41:39 | scribe | What kind of app are you guys entering in the contest. I want to write one, but want to write for an area no ones else is yet working. |
| 00:41:39 | ljp | ahhhh.... home.... |
| 00:41:54 | Fastolfe | Night_Vis: I think you can get a program to output sound right if you're rigorous about setting the sound device |
| 00:42:09 | Neo|Work | scribe: hehe. of course. ;-) You do know that you only have 3-4 days left right? |
| 00:42:14 | Fastolfe | Night_Vis: but if you're sloppy, it won't default to a well-know playback freq like most sound drivers do |
| 00:42:31 | Night_Vis | heh |
| 00:42:34 | scribe | Neo|Work: :) yep. I started one. It's a book reader / study tool. |
| 00:42:49 | Neo|Work | scribe: :) |
| 00:42:54 | scribe | but want to see if it's worth it to finish. |
| 00:43:01 | Night_Vis | I think I might be a bit sloppy |
| 00:43:02 | Neo|Work | has no idea. |
| 00:43:18 | Neo|Work | I mean, you won't know who's working on what until later I assume |
| 00:43:31 | scribe | if someone else is writing something similar, no sense in wasting effort |
| 00:43:39 | Neo|Work | isn't. |
| 00:44:14 | Shunt | does a doubletake... it really does work. :) |
| 00:44:33 | scribe | Do you think they'll really get 50 usable apps submitted? |
| 00:45:22 | Neo|Work | shrugs |
| 00:45:33 | Neo|Work | 50 "most promising" apps. :P |
| 00:45:53 | Neo|Work | I have no clue on the number of contestants obviously |
| 00:46:00 | Neo|Work | the prices are sweat though, so you never know |
| 00:46:26 | Shunt | Was anyone at linuxworld? |
| 00:46:31 | Neo|Work | so we can only speculate |
| 00:46:39 | Neo|Work | Shunt: nah, wrong part of the country |
| 00:46:46 | Night_Vis | Yeah |
| 00:47:01 | Night_Vis | it was very small |
| 00:47:16 | Shunt | I was there 2 years ago and it was a good time... heard it wasn't so much fun this year. |
| 00:47:34 | Night_Vis | It wasn't |
| 00:47:34 | Neo|Work | Linux isn't as "hip" and "hyped" anymore? |
| 00:47:50 | Neo|Work | or all "interesting" companies are gone perhaps |
| 00:47:58 | Night_Vis | it's not that it's the fact that all the .com's went outta business |
| 00:48:26 | Night_Vis | only companies with money here there mainly |
| 00:49:13 | Shunt | My .com went out of business... well, mostly. |
| 00:49:29 | Shunt | I heard the zauruses they were selling up there had newer roms. Jealous. |
| 00:49:49 | Night_Vis | yeap thats where I bought mine |
| 00:50:10 | Night_Vis | the ones they had on display were the 64mb ones |
| 00:50:23 | Neo|Work | is flashing the rom a painful process btw? |
| 00:50:26 | Shunt | Night_Vis: Do you know if yours is different than ours? |
| 00:50:29 | Shunt | NeoTron: Not at all. |
| 00:50:33 | Night_Vis | and the sound mp3 actually worked and sounded good |
| 00:50:41 | Neo|Work | I really wants a Zaurus but can't afford to buy one, so I have to win one. :-P |
| 00:50:50 | Night_Vis | not sure but I know I don't have the same ROM |
| 00:51:07 | MSpin | Night_Vis: what's the version shown in system info |
| 00:51:26 | roge99 | Shunt: the ones at the show were identical except for the rom |
| 00:51:37 | Shunt | roge99: Yeah, I know... just wondering what's different. |
| 00:51:50 | Night_Vis | QT palmtop says version 1.5.0 |
| 00:52:03 | Night_Vis | and the kernel says |
| 00:52:22 | Night_Vis | version 2.4.6-rmk1 -np2-embed |
| 00:52:33 | Night_Vis | thats all it says about version |
| 00:52:44 | Neo|Work | the zaurus doesn't have USB w/o docking does it? |
| 00:52:52 | MSpin | what about the line below that? |
| 00:53:09 | Night_Vis | compiled by yamade@yampc |
| 00:53:21 | Night_Vis | thats it |
| 00:53:22 | MSpin | Night_Vis: hrm, interesting |
| 00:53:33 | cpenguin_work | is away: Going where death awaits me with sharp pointy teeth |
| 00:53:44 | Night_Vis | sure is it got me in a twist myself |
| 00:53:58 | Night_Vis | I thought I had some old junker ROM |
| 00:55:10 | MSpin | well, the upgrade process is easy |
| 00:55:36 | Night_Vis | when I reboot the first line says ROM version 2.78 does this make any sense |
| 00:56:28 | MSpin | hehe |
| 00:56:29 | roge99 | thats the version of init |
| 00:56:37 | Night_Vis | oh |
| 00:56:46 | MSpin | bleh, time to start a load or two of laundry |
| 00:56:48 | MSpin | bbl |
| 00:57:32 | Shunt | is jealous. Dunno why, just am. |
| 00:58:28 | Night_Vis | here is a pic I took of some of the acessories http://nocturnalis.net:90/LinuxWorld/11.html |
| 00:59:42 | Night_Vis | It will be out shortly. I will be working on it tomarrow. |
| 00:59:42 | Night_Vis | -Benjamin Meyer |
| 00:59:42 | Night_Vis | On Thursday 31 January 2002 07:22 pm, you wrote: |
| 00:59:42 | Night_Vis | > when will you release Kinkatta-lite or a beta version of it for the Zaurus? |
| 00:59:42 | Night_Vis | > I'm really anxious to use it. |
| 00:59:42 | Night_Vis | > |
| 00:59:44 | Night_Vis | > Thanks Good Work |
| 00:59:46 | Night_Vis | > |
| 00:59:48 | Night_Vis | > Noc. |
| 01:00:29 | Night_Vis | thats the email I just got from Benjamin Meyer about Kinkatta-lite |
| 01:00:39 | Neo|Work | which is? |
| 01:00:45 | Neo|Work | Jabber was it? |
| 01:01:00 | kergoth`away | no, aim |
| 01:01:26 | Neo|Work | ah |
| 01:01:43 | Neo|Work | likes jabber better. :P allows me to talk with all the networks transparently |
| 01:01:50 | kergoth | Neo |
| 01:02:00 | kergoth | the tKc jabber client will be in OpenZaurus beta 3.0 |
| 01:02:05 | kergoth | :-) |
| 01:03:11 | kergoth | gah i didnt make it home in time to call into the tt/sharp/handhelds.org/lineo meeting at linuxworld |
| 01:03:21 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 01:03:41 | kergoth | ah well, i'm sure jason will represent the interests of opie and openzaurus well |
| 01:03:46 | kergoth | brb |
| 01:04:42 | Night_Vis | heh Fujitsu/Siemens new pocketPC http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/1380.php |
| 01:05:09 | Night_Vis | not sure |
| 01:05:22 | Night_Vis | wrong window |
| 01:10:46 | Neo|Work | is thee any pages related to open zaurus? |
| 01:11:53 | Neo|Work | wow. 256 MB SD cards |
| 01:12:17 | MSpin | oo..I want one of those:) |
| 01:13:49 | Neo|Work | or 1 GB compact flash. :P reading on infosync.no |
| 01:13:49 | Night_Vis | where |
| 01:13:57 | Neo|Work | http://www.infosync.no/show.php?id=1369 |
| 01:14:10 | Night_Vis | not that the 256 sd card |
| 01:14:10 | MSpin | NeoTron: but my CF slot is in use by the WLAN card:) |
| 01:14:24 | Night_Vis | thats where sd card comes in :) |
| 01:14:32 | MSpin | exactly:) |
| 01:14:39 | Night_Vis | the bigger the better |
| 01:15:16 | MSpin | heh |
| 01:15:23 | MSpin | except for power |
| 01:15:37 | Night_Vis | yeah |
| 01:15:38 | Neo|Work | MSpin: right. seems like SD for storage and CFLASH for "other" is the way to go |
| 01:15:44 | MSpin | which got me thinking, wouldn't it me neat is the kernel couldselectivly power down banks of ram? |
| 01:17:10 | Neo|Work | wtf. Bluetooth SD Card |
| 01:17:17 | Neo|Work | though MMC/SD was just for storage |
| 01:17:30 | Night_Vis | anythinh is possible |
| 01:18:51 | MSpin | BT in the PDA directly would be great |
| 01:19:25 | MSpin | then a cell phone with no KB/display...just a protocol translator. Add a BT headset and all is good:) |
| 01:28:02 | Neo|Work | hehe. Running xcopilot/POSE on the Z sounds rather funny. :P |
| 01:28:14 | Neo|Work | wonder if it's fast enough for decent performance etc |
| 01:36:29 | whardier | hi |
| 01:39:46 | Neo|Work | hello |
| 02:01:14 | Fastolfe | God I hate Windoze |
| 02:02:05 | ljp | which one? |
| 02:02:28 | Fastolfe | 98 |
| 02:02:45 | ljp | ahh.. ya that one sucks |
| 02:02:46 | Fastolfe | I can't take a breath without it wanting me to reboot the computer |
| 02:03:47 | ljp | the only prob I have with win2k is that very occasionally it forgets it's default gateway, and looks, for example.. to the Zaurus for the internet |
| 02:04:41 | Fastolfe | I don't know, I mean I've started goofing around with Winblows a week ago for the 1st time :) |
| 02:04:50 | Fastolfe | It does not impress me |
| 02:05:25 | ljp | don't suspect it would... |
| 02:08:18 | Fastolfe | How do you unzip a file with it ? I can't find an icon and there is no command line completion in the DOS prompt |
| 02:09:39 | ljp | you have to install unzip. http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/ |
| 02:10:00 | Fastolfe | really ? |
| 02:10:02 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 02:10:03 | Fastolfe | okay |
| 02:11:58 | Night_Vis | or winzip |
| 02:12:13 | Night_Vis | www.winzip.com |
| 02:13:11 | Night_Vis | command line won't help you too much in windows everything, I mean everything is point and click or double click |
| 02:15:44 | ljp | ya, but he's just started using windows, coming from linux |
| 02:17:43 | Fastolfe | grr |
| 02:17:50 | Fastolfe | this thing keeps rebooting |
| 02:18:07 | ljp | and if you hate that damned command, try 4 dos http://www.jpsoft.com/4dosdes.htm I think it does have completion |
| 02:18:44 | Fastolfe | DOS I know, I used to maintain the DR-DOS kernel |
| 02:18:59 | Fastolfe | but Window is one really stupid GUI on top of a really bad OS |
| 02:19:10 | ljp | :D |
| 02:20:51 | ljp | http://www.litestep.net |
| 02:26:21 | Fastolfe | uuh |
| 02:26:36 | Fastolfe | I just plugged the Z and it BSODed |
| 02:28:46 | Night_Vis | heh my Z BSODed my XP yesterday |
| 02:28:53 | Night_Vis | but it's fine now |
| 02:30:05 | Fastolfe | I heard XP wasn't supposed to crash anymore |
| 02:30:12 | Fastolfe | guess not :) |
| 02:30:19 | ljp | heh.. thats MICROS~1 technology for ya! |
| 02:30:54 | Fastolfe | So, someone told me if I install the Sharp stuff correctly, I should get a little icon at the bottom right of the screen, but I don't get anything |
| 02:30:58 | Fastolfe | any thought ? |
| 02:32:11 | roge99 | Fastolfe: reolad windows and sharp software ...... 17 times |
| 02:32:20 | roge99 | :-P |
| 02:32:34 | Fastolfe | grr |
| 02:32:38 | Fastolfe | thanks :( |
| 02:32:43 | ljp | I think 98 and the Z dont play very well |
| 02:32:59 | Fastolfe | it's the 3rd time I reinstall winblows and the sharp stuff and it does something new each time |
| 02:33:05 | roge99 | upgrade windows .... install linux |
| 02:33:17 | roge99 | :-)) |
| 02:33:17 | Shunt | I think it's the drivers... |
| 02:33:19 | ljp | try booting up.. and THEN put the Z in the cradle |
| 02:33:21 | Fastolfe | yeah, well Linux works thank you very much :)) |
| 02:33:36 | Fastolfe | ljp: ah okay, brb |
| 02:34:27 | Shunt | has found having Z in cradle booting up works best... weird |
| 02:34:42 | Fastolfe | AAAARRGGHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:34:55 | Fastolfe | IT DIED AGAIN F*CKING SONOFABITCH !!!! |
| 02:35:12 | Fastolfe | mommy ... |
| 02:35:30 | Shunt | Has anyone ever put a file on the zaurus and had the Z refuse to believe it was the size it was? Like if I put a 4K file on the zaurus, and do a dir, the ftp program tells me it's 4K, but a ls-l from terminal tells me it's 780 bytes |
| 02:36:01 | Fastolfe | yeah, it's a filesystem storage space vs. actual filesize issue |
| 02:36:11 | Fastolfe | you can see that happen on your desktop too |
| 02:36:22 | Fastolfe | the fs allocates blocks of 4k |
| 02:37:11 | Shunt | Fastolfe: I don't think that's quite it... |
| 02:37:16 | Fastolfe | you reckon ? |
| 02:37:18 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 02:37:23 | Fastolfe | okay, maybe I misunderstand |
| 02:37:34 | Shunt | Fastolfe: I'm talking about doing a ls -l which shows me the size of the file. The file's length, not allocation |
| 02:37:41 | Fastolfe | oic |
| 02:37:42 | Fastolfe | sorry |
| 02:37:43 | Shunt | like 4552 bytes, or 4616 bytes |
| 02:37:54 | Fastolfe | that's strange |
| 02:37:57 | Shunt | but when I put it up on the zaurus, it shrinks to 760 bytes. |
| 02:38:12 | Fastolfe | can you tell if the file is corrupted ? |
| 02:38:13 | Shunt | but only to the zaurus. If I grab it again, it's the proper size. |
| 02:38:20 | NightVis | hehe i'm on irc with the Z :) |
| 02:38:24 | Shunt | well, I don't think it is, because I can grabe it. |
| 02:38:28 | Fastolfe | kool night |
| 02:38:51 | Fastolfe | Shunt: is it reproduceable ? |
| 02:39:32 | Fastolfe | hey ! I've got a red icon :) |
| 02:39:34 | Shunt | Fastolfe: Seems to be... I'm playing with it more to see for sure. |
| 02:39:34 | Fastolfe | finally ! |
| 02:39:36 | Shunt | a red icon? |
| 02:39:51 | Fastolfe | yeah, doesn't seem to talk to the PDA |
| 02:40:17 | Fastolfe | an icon showing two red blobs that don't want to talk to each other |
| 02:40:55 | Fastolfe | Strange, it looks like the MCCI driver is setup to get its IP from DHCP |
| 02:40:59 | Fastolfe | is that right ? |
| 02:41:18 | Shunt | Fastolfe: They should be fixed |
| 02:41:48 | Fastolfe | oh okay. But it came up like that |
| 02:42:33 | Fastolfe | so do I pick what I want or is it supposed to be some special IP that the sync software tries to talk to ? |
| 02:43:14 | Shunt | 192.168.1.201 I think |
| 02:43:20 | Fastolfe | okay :) |
| 02:43:22 | Fastolfe | tries |
| 02:44:14 | Fastolfe | reboot again ?? |
| 02:44:17 | Fastolfe | gee weez |
| 02:45:26 | Fastolfe | YES! I got me a green icon !:) |
| 02:45:33 | Fastolfe | hugs Shunt ! |
| 02:46:18 | Shunt | well, that's nice and all.... :P |
| 02:46:49 | Fastolfe | man, it's been 3 hours I'm struggling with these 2 shits (M$ and the Qtopia garbage that is) |
| 02:46:54 | Fastolfe | uuh |
| 02:47:05 | Fastolfe | now it broke the LAN card settings ... |
| 02:47:08 | Fastolfe | grrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 02:48:33 | Fastolfe | This is strange, each of the network adapters under Windows have a hostname/DNS setting tab, like if it was on a per-adapter basis ... |
| 02:53:38 | ljp | heh.. when I boot up my win2k at work with the nic enabled.. it forgets it's DNS... |
| 02:55:09 | Drago | i am now the proud father of a new zaurus |
| 02:55:09 | Drago | mmm |
| 02:56:09 | Fastolfe | "father" of a zaurus ? :)) |
| 02:56:14 | Fastolfe | or "owner" ? |
| 02:56:34 | ljp | congrats! |
| 02:56:38 | Fastolfe | hehe |
| 02:57:17 | Fastolfe | I finally managed to get my VNC server running over USB on Windows myself :) |
| 02:57:20 | Fastolfe | yeeahh ! |
| 02:57:32 | Fastolfe | signs up for the MCSE |
| 02:58:02 | ljp | and how many hours have you used windows? |
| 02:58:22 | Drago | now i need to get usb working on my laptop so i can connect to this little guy |
| 02:58:29 | Drago | is the screen supposed to be offset btw? |
| 02:58:37 | Fastolfe | Counting since I started playing with it last week, maybe 10, 9 of them trying to figure out why it reboots all the time :) |
| 02:58:37 | Drago | there is more spacing on the right side than the left |
| 02:58:57 | Fastolfe | Drago: you mean with the VNC server ? |
| 02:59:03 | Fastolfe | oh |
| 02:59:04 | Fastolfe | the Z |
| 02:59:05 | Drago | Fastolfe, no, the actual device |
| 02:59:06 | Drago | yea |
| 02:59:25 | Fastolfe | yes, I've noticed that when I did my calibration program :) |
| 02:59:26 | Fastolfe | how odd |
| 02:59:45 | Drago | as long as everyones is like that :) |
| 02:59:54 | Fastolfe | I bet it's because it's got wiring at the bottom of the LCD (the bottom being the right side on a landscape LCD) :) |
| 02:59:57 | Drago | i got two carrying cases with mine hehe |
| 03:00:06 | Fastolfe | cool man |
| 03:00:08 | Fastolfe | you're loaded |
| 03:00:13 | Drago | yea right :) |
| 03:00:18 | Drago | i still feel like i overpaid |
| 03:00:21 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 03:00:28 | Fastolfe | I mean you're loaded with goodies :) |
| 03:00:37 | Drago | yah i know :) |
| 03:00:40 | Drago | needed more goodies! |
| 03:00:44 | Drago | maybe 2 for 399 i would feel better |
| 03:00:52 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 03:00:54 | Drago | but thats the price for geekism |
| 03:01:11 | Fastolfe | Okay, so now how do I get Windows to do a port redirection ? anybody knows ? |
| 03:01:31 | Drago | a TCP port redirection? |
| 03:01:34 | ljp | hahaha.. thats ADVANCED networking |
| 03:01:36 | Fastolfe | yeah, and UDP |
| 03:01:45 | Fastolfe | ljp: not really |
| 03:01:52 | Fastolfe | ljp: are you telling me it can't do it ? |
| 03:01:53 | Drago | hmm dunno if there is anything built in for that, might have to go third party |
| 03:01:53 | ljp | for winblows it is |
| 03:02:03 | Fastolfe | grrrr |
| 03:02:21 | ljp | win2k can.. for win98, you'll have to install something |
| 03:02:23 | Fastolfe | I just want Windows to go ... :( |
| 03:02:25 | nelazul | is anyone here running openzaurus? |
| 03:02:51 | Fastolfe | okay time for a nicotine break |
| 03:02:52 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 03:03:07 | ljp | I ran OZ for about `5 minutes |
| 03:03:13 | ljp | 15 |
| 03:03:17 | nelazul | heh |
| 03:03:24 | nelazul | it breaks a lot of the games |
| 03:03:31 | kergoth | nelazul: 2.6 does not. |
| 03:03:36 | nelazul | is it out? |
| 03:03:39 | kergoth | yes. |
| 03:03:42 | kergoth | fixed wlan too. |
| 03:03:48 | nelazul | cool, time for another flash :) |
| 03:03:51 | Shunt | when is the regular rom going to be updated? |
| 03:04:01 | Drago | hmm what USB driver am i supposed to use to get talking to m Z |
| 03:04:02 | kergoth | according to jason, i'll likely be able to put opera in beta 3 |
| 03:04:16 | kergoth | and he's working on a deal to get a jvm in beta 3 as well |
| 03:04:51 | kergoth | shit i need to talk to someone who was in the meeting at linuxworld |
| 03:05:24 | kergoth | jason, bzflag, france, where are you...? |
| 03:05:26 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:05:33 | Drago | kergoth, was there a meeting for the z? i missed it i guess :( |
| 03:05:45 | kergoth | Drago: not for the z, no |
| 03:05:49 | Drago | oh |
| 03:05:55 | kergoth | Drago: it was a meeting to discuss the future of the Opie and OpenZaurus projects |
| 03:06:01 | kergoth | Drago: my projects, but i couldnt be there |
| 03:06:06 | kergoth | Drago: heh |
| 03:06:10 | nelazul | is x stable enough to play with without worrying about everything disappearing? |
| 03:06:13 | Drago | ah |
| 03:06:52 | Drago | hmm |
| 03:07:00 | Drago | anyone know what usb driver im supposed to use? |
| 03:07:07 | kergoth | Drago: for which rom? |
| 03:07:15 | Drago | kergoth, no idea :( |
| 03:07:20 | Drago | i just bought the thing at linux world |
| 03:07:24 | Drago | tries to find out |
| 03:07:40 | kergoth | Drago: then its using the jan 28 pre-release sharp rom |
| 03:07:55 | kergoth | Drago: they havent released the new windows or host side linux drivers for that rom yet, iirc |
| 03:08:10 | Shunt | kergoth: do you know what's new in that rom? |
| 03:08:22 | Drago | kergoth, err then how am i supposed to connect this to my desktop? :) |
| 03:09:03 | kergoth | Shunt: not off hand.. the last one i tested was jan08 |
| 03:09:11 | kergoth | Drago: good question. ask Jason when he appears |
| 03:09:18 | Drago | hahaha are you serious? |
| 03:09:23 | Drago | thats pretty funny |
| 03:09:32 | kergoth | Drago: not certain, no |
| 03:09:37 | kergoth | Drago: as I havent tested that particular rom |
| 03:09:47 | kergoth | Drago: perhaps they reverted to the old networking driver.. i dont know |
| 03:09:49 | Drago | it did come with a cd, but that looked like ti was for windows |
| 03:09:54 | kergoth | Drago: ohhh |
| 03:09:59 | kergoth | Drago: have you insatlled the windows drivers? |
| 03:10:08 | Drago | kergoth, i dont run windows :/ |
| 03:10:15 | kergoth | Drago: ah |
| 03:10:20 | Fastolfe | is afraid to take the Zauro off the cradle now |
| 03:10:24 | kergoth | Drago: well then, i dunno. you can try using the CDCEther driver |
| 03:10:31 | kergoth | Fastolfe: whats up? |
| 03:10:36 | kergoth | Fastolfe: drop it again? |
| 03:10:39 | kergoth | Fastolfe: heheh |
| 03:10:55 | Fastolfe | kergoth: I've got this feeling that it's going to crash Windoze again |
| 03:11:01 | kergoth | Fastolfe: ah |
| 03:11:18 | Fastolfe | kergoth: do you know if the CDCEther driver is stable > |
| 03:11:19 | Fastolfe | ? |
| 03:12:48 | Drago | hmm CDCEther is not registering those vendor/product ids |
| 03:12:54 | Drago | guess ill try to hack it by hand |
| 03:13:08 | roge99 | Drago: did you patch ? |
| 03:13:21 | Drago | i didnt do anything |
| 03:13:24 | Drago | im just trying to get started |
| 03:13:38 | roge99 | Drago: you need a kernel patch for the CDCEther module |
| 03:13:39 | Drago | figured the usb device would just be a standard usb ethernet interface |
| 03:13:57 | kergoth | Drago: no, it took alteration of the driver to add support for this particular device |
| 03:14:33 | Drago | found something on rualt.com about this, reading... |
| 03:14:55 | roge99 | that where it is |
| 03:15:03 | roge99 | s/that/thats/ |
| 03:15:06 | Drago | looks like its down though :( |
| 03:15:12 | Drago | got google cache from |
| 03:15:19 | Drago | the main page, not the patch |
| 03:15:24 | Fastolfe | Does anybody knows if the SA1110's MMU can generate exceptions (or raise a flag) upon writing in a predefined memory zone ? |
| 03:16:29 | Drago | anyone got the patch on hand? |
| 03:16:42 | roge99 | Yep... DCC ? |
| 03:16:51 | Drago | sure |
| 03:17:12 | Drago | hmm does the Z have an internal speaker? |
| 03:17:19 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 03:17:23 | Fastolfe | buzzer |
| 03:17:47 | Fastolfe | supposedly it's possible to tell the speaker to play the DSP too |
| 03:18:32 | Drago | roge99[~roge99@24.151.34.22 [192.168.2.214:32989]] 3.49 |
| 03:18:33 | kergoth | Fastolfe: yes cdcether is stable, i havent seen difficulties with it. unlike usb-storage. heheh |
| 03:18:42 | Drago | roge99, your clienting is sending your private ip |
| 03:18:56 | roge99 | ah peice o shit |
| 03:18:57 | Fastolfe | kergoth: okay thanks. I gotta try it and junk the stupid Windows box :) |
| 03:19:03 | roge99 | hold on |
| 03:19:10 | Drago | yepper |
| 03:19:46 | Drago | if its easier for you, email would be ok too |
| 03:19:50 | kergoth | Fastolfe: nice. go for it :-) |
| 03:20:16 | Fastolfe | kergoth: sure will |
| 03:21:00 | roge99 | Drago: sure whats your address |
| 03:21:14 | Drago | roge99, drago@0x00.org |
| 03:22:13 | Fastolfe | nice email address :) |
| 03:22:17 | Drago | :) |
| 03:22:52 | roge99 | Drago: on its way |
| 03:22:58 | Drago | awesome |
| 03:29:14 | Drago | CDCEther.c: eth1: Sharp SL Series 40:00:02:00:00:01 |
| 03:29:16 | Drago | weeeeeee |
| 03:29:29 | roge99 | that was quick |
| 03:30:02 | Drago | 64 bytes from 192.168.1.201: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=4.324 msec |
| 03:30:10 | Drago | this is exciting |
| 03:31:27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:32:18 | kergoth | Drago: so it worked even tho you got your unit at the show eh? wonder if they reverted the driver changes |
| 03:32:20 | kergoth | brb |
| 03:32:33 | Drago | kergoth, where do i find out what version im runnning? |
| 03:32:41 | Drago | i see the Qt desktop version |
| 03:32:43 | Drago | and the kernel ver |
| 03:32:47 | Drago | is there like a rom ver or something? |
| 03:32:49 | kergoth | it should be below the kernel ver |
| 03:32:52 | kergoth | its not there? |
| 03:33:01 | kergoth | wonder if they removed that from the sysinfo util |
| 03:33:04 | Drago | hmm |
| 03:33:09 | Drago | i see "Linux kernel" |
| 03:33:14 | Drago | and then a version and a compiled by |
| 03:33:23 | Drago | kernel version is 2.4.6-rmk1-np-embed |
| 03:33:45 | Shunt | who is it compiled by? |
| 03:33:54 | Drago | yamade@yampc |
| 03:34:02 | Shunt | you've got a ultraslick new rom |
| 03:34:17 | Drago | yea? should i rip it and distro it? |
| 03:34:18 | kergoth | I'm glad the usb networking works with that rom |
| 03:34:25 | kergoth | Drago: I dont think sharp would appreciate that :-) |
| 03:34:26 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:34:27 | Shunt | Drago: Can you? |
| 03:34:28 | Shunt | :P |
| 03:34:33 | Drago | who cares what sharp appreciates |
| 03:34:33 | Drago | hehe |
| 03:34:36 | kergoth | hah |
| 03:34:45 | Shunt | Aren't we entitled to the roms? :P |
| 03:34:49 | kergoth | just be patient people. that rom is in QA, and should be released soon |
| 03:34:51 | kergoth | :-) |
| 03:35:01 | Drago | hehe |
| 03:35:28 | Drago | so if i get this flashrom version 1.02 from the dev site, am i actually going to be downgrading? |
| 03:35:32 | kergoth | Drago: yes |
| 03:35:42 | nasa | What exactly is soon? I thought it was due before the linux conference |
| 03:35:43 | kergoth | Drago: do you see 3 hancom applications in the applications tab? |
| 03:35:45 | Shunt | Drago: IF it even works |
| 03:35:47 | Drago | th strange thing is that the sound widget does not have all the components that 1.02 has |
| 03:35:55 | kergoth | hmm |
| 03:36:06 | Neo|Work | hmm. late. time to go home. |
| 03:36:12 | Drago | kergoth, no i dont have the hancom apps. i tried to get the hancom guys to send them to me at the conf, but they wouldnt ;) |
| 03:36:43 | Drago | sounds to me like i have an older version than 1.02 |
| 03:36:59 | kergoth | Drago: you have the first rom .. the one that i had when my unit was shipped to me |
| 03:37:05 | kergoth | Drago: which is why there's no rom ver in the sysinfo tab |
| 03:37:09 | Drago | ah |
| 03:37:15 | Drago | so scrap it and upgrade to 1.02? |
| 03:37:19 | kergoth | Drago: I'd recommend updating to openzaurus beta 2.6 if you dont use java, or 1.02 if you do |
| 03:37:23 | Shunt | Or OpenZaurus |
| 03:37:50 | Drago | i was hoping to do a litte java hacking :/ |
| 03:37:55 | Drago | no jre in openzaurus? |
| 03:39:21 | kergoth | Drago: no jre in openzaurus.. i dont have a license to distribute Jeode |
| 03:39:23 | kergoth | Drago: heh |
| 03:39:43 | nasa | Where is the latest openZ romimage? |
| 03:39:57 | kergoth | nasa: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus/ |
| 03:40:00 | Drago | ok well ill try openzaurus |
| 03:40:09 | Drago | what is the recommend means of file transfer to this little guy? |
| 03:40:26 | Shunt | you need CF to flash the rom |
| 03:40:33 | nasa | Thanks |
| 03:40:39 | Drago | luckly i got one for free a the expo ;) |
| 03:40:51 | Drago | dont tell me i need a cf card reader too |
| 03:40:53 | Shunt | <cough>lucky prick</cough> |
| 03:40:54 | Drago | other than the one built in |
| 03:41:04 | Shunt | Drago: I'm going to tell you that, yes :P |
| 03:41:08 | Drago | hahaha |
| 03:41:13 | Drago | killing me! |
| 03:41:28 | Drago | puts tis dumb thing in his drawer and gets the ipaq out |
| 03:41:45 | Drago | ah its got nc! |
| 03:41:48 | Drago | woot! |
| 03:41:56 | Drago | now for a little hacking |
| 03:42:06 | kergoth | Drago: you can just ftp the image onto the cf from your linux box. heh. |
| 03:42:08 | nasa | You don't need a reader, if the cf card comes formated correclty |
| 03:42:42 | Drago | ah it does have an ftp client! |
| 03:42:49 | kergoth | Drago: and server |
| 03:42:54 | kergoth | Drago: built in ftp server on port 4242 |
| 03:42:56 | Drago | even better |
| 03:43:10 | Drago | this is my kinda pda |
| 03:43:14 | kergoth | Drago: Openzaurus also comes with a web server, and sshd,ssh,scp |
| 03:43:16 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:43:23 | kergoth | I may put the samba server on the unit for beta 3 |
| 03:43:27 | Drago | 220 Qt Palmtop transfer service ready! |
| 03:43:40 | Drago | kergoth, are you the lead developer on oz? |
| 03:44:46 | nasa | kergoth, what things changed from 2.5 to 2.6 of OpenZ? |
| 03:44:56 | Shunt | kergoth: You need to do something about http://openzaurus.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:45:08 | kergoth | Shunt: I know |
| 03:45:34 | kergoth | nasa: the games were fixed, embeddedkonsole updated to use tabs, and wlan cards work again |
| 03:45:39 | kergoth | nasa: primarily a bugfix reelase. |
| 03:45:40 | kergoth | Drago: yes |
| 03:46:14 | Drago | kergoth, anyone ever looked into squeezing kaffe on there or something? |
| 03:46:38 | kergoth | Drago: yes Twuin looked into it.. it worked.. but there are apparently no hooks into QT for non command line stuff |
| 03:46:55 | Drago | :( |
| 03:47:34 | kergoth | Shunt: I need to find time to do the web devel, or find a php backend for it or something. I'm better at backends than user interfaces. |
| 03:47:55 | kergoth | Drago: however, Jason at sharp is working to make a deal with Insignia to get jeode included |
| 03:48:00 | kergoth | Drago: we'll see what comes of that |
| 03:48:01 | nasa | kergoth, has connecting the Z via usb been addressed? |
| 03:48:12 | Shunt | kergoth: I hear that... my website is ultra simple |
| 03:48:26 | kergoth | nasa: hmmm? it was working in 2.5.. its still working in 2.6 |
| 03:48:26 | nasa | As it stands it is pretty convulated in using usb, both in windows and linux |
| 03:48:28 | Drago | kergoth, are the hancom apps going to be able to be put in oz? |
| 03:49:01 | kergoth | Drago: doubtful.. we're working to get koffice shrunk down and ported for inclusion in Opie (the fork of Qtopia) |
| 03:49:07 | kergoth | Drago: but who knows |
| 03:49:43 | nasa | I know I am being a little unclear. Yes, usb works -- but having to place the Z on the cradle with it powered on doesn't sound user freindly |
| 03:49:58 | Fastolfe | Cool, I got the vnc server to stop chew up CPU when no clients are connected |
| 03:50:05 | kergoth | Fastolfe: sweet |
| 03:50:06 | Fastolfe | Time for some assembler in there |
| 03:50:37 | kergoth | nasa: indeed. havent looked into simplifying that process as of yet. |
| 03:50:55 | nasa | Ok |
| 03:51:03 | Drago | so if i get one of those neato ibm 1g microdrives i could actually have a full working distribution |
| 03:51:13 | Drago | gcc and all |
| 03:51:14 | Drago | mmm |
| 03:51:33 | kergoth | Drago: certainly. someone was working on putting a gcc toolchain onto a 256mb cf card, if i recall correctly |
| 03:51:37 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:51:55 | kergoth | Drago: you should see the text editor theKompany.com is producing for the Z.. has syntax highlighting, line numbering, etc |
| 03:51:58 | Drago | this is the greatest thing since fried rice |
| 03:52:12 | kergoth | Drago: yeah i havent stopped developing and working on it since i received it. hehe. |
| 03:52:13 | Drago | kergoth, but whats wrong with vim :( |
| 03:52:31 | kergoth | Drago: hah.. nothing.. i use vim myself. |
| 03:52:46 | kergoth | Drago: microemacs and vim and pico have all been ported |
| 03:52:54 | kergoth | Drago: I'm going to switch from pico to nano in oz beta 3 |
| 03:52:57 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:53:12 | Fastolfe | won't that make it bigger ? :)) |
| 03:53:33 | kergoth | bah.. not by all that much :-) |
| 03:53:48 | kergoth | Fastolfe: how stable is your fb vnc server at this point? |
| 03:54:03 | Drago | you know, it isnt easy to hit c and d and the full reset button all at the same time |
| 03:54:13 | Fastolfe | It's solid, apart from the core dump when you nmap port 5900 |
| 03:54:18 | Fastolfe | I'm working on it |
| 03:54:39 | kergoth | Drago: we know.. i could do it blindfolded now, but I've flashed my unit like 60 times. hehe. |
| 03:54:55 | kergoth | Fastolfe: k, nice. how large is it? file size, i mean |
| 03:54:59 | Fastolfe | 100k |
| 03:55:10 | Fastolfe | but I'm planning on adding the java client too |
| 03:55:15 | kergoth | ah cool |
| 03:55:35 | Fastolfe | and hopefully my bit of asm will reduce the size a wee bit |
| 03:55:36 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 03:55:49 | kergoth | argh i wish i could get this fucking libnsl.so.1 undefined reference resolved |
| 03:55:52 | Drago | kergoth, i assume this process can be repeated even if the rom gets written half way? |
| 03:55:54 | kergoth | i should work on Opie some |
| 03:55:58 | kergoth | Drago: yes |
| 03:57:10 | Drago | that boot screen kicks ass |
| 03:57:41 | kergoth | Drago: hehe. whardier did the work on that.. wish we could turn on the backlight or whatever prior to it animating tho |
| 03:58:05 | Drago | this is very nice |
| 03:58:10 | Drago | great job |
| 03:58:24 | Fastolfe | turn backlight == easy |
| 03:58:57 | Drago | uh no way, i think i have two dead pixels |
| 03:58:58 | Drago | wtf |
| 03:59:05 | Fastolfe | uh |
| 03:59:09 | Fastolfe | that sux |
| 03:59:16 | Drago | fing a! |
| 03:59:21 | kergoth | shit |
| 03:59:23 | kergoth | that does suck |
| 03:59:44 | Drago | not cool :( |
| 03:59:46 | Fastolfe | we can swap if you want, my scratched LCD for you 2 missing pixels :) |
| 04:00:14 | Drago | Fastolfe, dont you put a screen cover on! |
| 04:00:38 | Drago | those are definitely dead pixels |
| 04:00:40 | Fastolfe | yeah, but I tripped on the power cord and the thing went flying for 3 meters |
| 04:00:45 | Drago | so hows sharps support? |
| 04:01:37 | Drago | i should have checked that before i left linuxexpo |
| 04:01:41 | Drago | slaps himself |
| 04:01:55 | Fastolfe | slaps Drago too, for the hell of it :) |
| 04:02:01 | Drago | hehe |
| 04:02:02 | Shunt | loves his zaurus... just wishes some of the apps were a bit more robust. |
| 04:02:11 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 04:02:13 | Fastolfe | X ? |
| 04:02:15 | Fastolfe | :)) |
| 04:02:20 | Drago | i wonder if sharp is going to give me a hard time replacing it |
| 04:02:26 | kergoth | Shunt: we're still developing for the thing for gods sake, what do you expect? hehe. |
| 04:02:44 | Davediego | any zaurus news at linuxworld? |
| 04:02:57 | roge99 | Drago: how far are you from NYC |
| 04:02:59 | Shunt | kergoth: Blah. I just want a better address book and media player. Not the moon. |
| 04:03:09 | Drago | the booth couldnt clear credit cards for about an hour |
| 04:03:14 | kergoth | Shunt: lol.. dont we all.. i'm sure that'll improve. |
| 04:03:17 | Drago | roge99, im in connecticut, about a 1h train ride |
| 04:03:29 | roge99 | where in ct ... Im in ct |
| 04:03:35 | Drago | roge99, westport |
| 04:03:42 | roge99 | cool |
| 04:03:45 | roge99 | im in columbia |
| 04:03:46 | Drago | you? |
| 04:03:50 | Drago | ah |
| 04:03:52 | kergoth | Shunt: those of us in the Opie project are trying to improve the application framework more, since tt isnt doing much with regard to that |
| 04:04:13 | Drago | i would go back to the expo tomorrow and see if they will replace it, but i have some snowboarding to do |
| 04:04:16 | Shunt | kergoth: Has tt taken a hands-off approach to qtopia? |
| 04:04:28 | roge99 | ahh |
| 04:04:34 | Fastolfe | Does anybody know if the Z has some nice coprocessor to do some bitblt things, by any chance ? |
| 04:04:36 | kergoth | Shunt: no .. far from, they're doing a fair amount of work on it. |
| 04:04:42 | roge99 | havent snowboarded in years |
| 04:04:43 | Drago | two dead pixels < snowboarding |
| 04:04:51 | Shunt | kergoth: What are they working on then? |
| 04:04:51 | Drago | roge99, i started last weekend :) |
| 04:04:58 | kergoth | Shunt: but some of us would like to leverage the open source developer community to improve things faster |
| 04:05:08 | kergoth | Shunt: they're stabilizing things for the 1.5.0 release. |
| 04:05:12 | roge99 | i have an orignal first year burton board |
| 04:05:30 | Drago | roge99, ah i think i remember those, yellow/purple? |
| 04:05:38 | roge99 | before that |
| 04:05:45 | Drago | oh, thats the oldest i remember hehe |
| 04:05:46 | roge99 | red\yellow\orange |
| 04:05:53 | roge99 | elete 150 |
| 04:06:01 | Drago | i just picked up a burton custom on sunday |
| 04:06:05 | roge99 | cool |
| 04:06:09 | Drago | cant wait to ride it again |
| 04:06:39 | roge99 | i think i got it in 83 or 84 |
| 04:06:49 | Drago | roge99, hmm i was 1 in 83 :) |
| 04:06:57 | Drago | prob why i dont remember |
| 04:07:17 | roge99 | feels old |
| 04:07:37 | Drago | would rather be older than he is |
| 04:07:49 | roge99 | naa |
| 04:07:49 | Shunt | feels old. |
| 04:07:56 | kergoth | Drago: that attitude will pass. hehe. |
| 04:08:20 | roge99 | you'll wish you were young again soon enough |
| 04:08:47 | Drago | until then, i will wish i was older :) |
| 04:09:06 | Drago | so is there an oz todo list? im ready to hack |
| 04:09:39 | ljp | well.. I'm working on embeddedkonsole |
| 04:09:56 | ljp | grab the cvs and start hackin |
| 04:10:26 | Drago | of course these two dead pixels are right where the handwirting window is |
| 04:10:26 | ljp | text editor needs something |
| 04:10:30 | Drago | god this is going to be annoying |
| 04:11:23 | kergoth | ljp: mind if we merge your changes to embeddedkonsole into Opie, when you're done? |
| 04:11:34 | Drago | is oz a complete code fork from the sharp code base? |
| 04:11:38 | kergoth | no |
| 04:11:41 | kergoth | oz is an altered rom |
| 04:11:49 | kergoth | its 1.02 + numerous changes and a slightly altered kernel |
| 04:12:33 | kergoth | Opie is a code fork of Qtopia, however. though we merge back in changes from the qtopia project. (http://opie.handhelds.org/) |
| 04:12:34 | Drago | the sound widget still seems to be lacking a few components that are in the sharp screen shot |
| 04:12:35 | Shunt | is anyone using swap on CF? |
| 04:12:41 | nasa | Is there a reason for leaving the icons on the taskbar after an app is closed? |
| 04:12:59 | Drago | nasa, i guess thats intended to be a "recently used" type thing |
| 04:13:01 | Fastolfe | no, and frankly it's confusing |
| 04:13:02 | kergoth | Drago: sharp made numerous changes and hired Trolltech to make changes and they havent released those changes into cvs.. which is why we were annoyed enough to start Opie anyway. |
| 04:13:18 | kergoth | you can disable the MRU in a configuration file on the unit, iirc |
| 04:13:47 | Drago | kergoth, so sharp doesnt do us any favors by making their respository public or anyting? |
| 04:14:30 | kergoth | Drago: no |
| 04:14:40 | ljp | kergoth: thats what I'm hackin on it for. I believe I have write access to the cvs... at least.. I did.. |
| 04:14:50 | kergoth | ljp: oh, nice. didnt realize ;-) |
| 04:15:16 | kergoth | ljp: you'll be happy to know it actaully compiles again. i merged in warwick's shitload of cvs changes that occured yesterday and earlier today |
| 04:15:19 | kergoth | heheh |
| 04:15:19 | ljp | I was going to upload what I have so far, maybe |
| 04:15:22 | Drago | could use an alarm application |
| 04:15:35 | kergoth | Drago: the datebook has an alarm function |
| 04:15:50 | ljp | or maybe send you a patch so you can do it |
| 04:16:21 | Drago | ah that solves that delima |
| 04:16:56 | ljp | just need to figure out editing the commandlist |
| 04:17:06 | ljp | everything else is done. |
| 04:17:28 | ljp | except for maybe finding better color schemes |
| 04:17:30 | kergoth | ljp: excellent. feel free to commit it yourself if you like. |
| 04:17:34 | kergoth | brb. |
| 04:19:38 | ljp | ok |
| 04:20:47 | kergoth | k |
| 04:21:06 | kergoth | i love jffs2. I hope tim riker gets it working in oz soon. that'll be nifty. |
| 04:21:19 | Fastolfe | I saw it working on his Z today |
| 04:21:23 | Fastolfe | it's slick |
| 04:21:56 | kergoth | Fastolfe: yeah i was using that test image he threw together.. just being able to touch /test and reboot and have it still exist was damn cool. hehe. |
| 04:22:14 | Fastolfe | yeah, rewritable flash, what a concept :)) |
| 04:22:19 | kergoth | hehe |
| 04:22:34 | Fastolfe | does jffs2 do wear-levelling ? |
| 04:23:01 | kergoth | aghh i cant crosscompile gnupg w/o getting rid of this fucking undefined ref prob |
| 04:23:21 | Fastolfe | ah, the beauties of glibc ... |
| 04:23:27 | Drago | i guess the built in spoker isnt going to be playing mp3s |
| 04:23:40 | Fastolfe | not out of the box, no |
| 04:23:40 | Drago | speaker too |
| 04:23:59 | Fastolfe | I was planning on making a little tool to redirect the sound source to the internal speaker |
| 04:24:04 | Fastolfe | some day :) |
| 04:24:39 | Fastolfe | good grief, that VNC library sux |
| 04:24:57 | Fastolfe | Why do I even bother fixing it, I could have written my own by now |
| 04:25:56 | Drago | ok now this is sweet, ssh |
| 04:26:04 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 04:26:21 | Drago | you guys must get people like me all the time eh? all gitty because we got our new toys |
| 04:26:53 | Fastolfe | Drago: work on them enough and you'll soon find yourself playing tennis every week-end :)) |
| 04:27:00 | Drago | hehe |
| 04:27:09 | ljp | heh- I'm still giddy over mine.. and I've had mine about 2 months! |
| 04:27:11 | kergoth | lol |
| 04:27:14 | kergoth | ljp: exactly! |
| 04:27:47 | Drago | i was under the impression that this ran a standard X11 server? |
| 04:27:57 | Fastolfe | it can |
| 04:27:57 | Drago | but it does not appear that way |
| 04:28:03 | Drago | ah |
| 04:28:20 | Fastolfe | crap, this guy must have skipped malloc() 101 |
| 04:28:25 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 04:28:30 | kergoth | still leaks all over the place eh? |
| 04:28:59 | Fastolfe | no, this time he frees something he hasn't malloced when the server bails a client early :)) |
| 04:29:02 | Fastolfe | I'm telling you |
| 04:29:03 | Fastolfe | .. |
| 04:29:08 | kergoth | aha |
| 04:29:15 | Drago | so if this is not running X11, is porting apps not as trivial as i had imagined? |
| 04:29:16 | Fastolfe | nothing like variety |
| 04:29:16 | kergoth | thats fucking hilarious |
| 04:29:19 | kergoth | wtf |
| 04:29:28 | Fastolfe | Drago: correct |
| 04:29:46 | Drago | so i guess do do want to download trolltechs sdk? |
| 04:29:47 | Fastolfe | or you can go get my X distro and blow qtopia, eh kergoth (hint hint nudge nudge) :)) |
| 04:29:50 | kergoth | Drago: most qt applications can be ported fairly easily, assuming they dont depend on kde libraries.. everything else would be a pain |
| 04:30:02 | kergoth | Fastolfe: ehe. course could always do that :-) |
| 04:30:03 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: hey |
| 04:30:07 | kergoth | hey Hella |
| 04:30:20 | Fastolfe | Hella is the man |
| 04:30:37 | Fastolfe | he took many great pains to try the mem-leaking version of fbvncserver |
| 04:31:08 | kergoth | ehe. numerous reboots involved i'm sure |
| 04:31:16 | Fastolfe | yes indeed |
| 04:31:23 | Fastolfe | twas helpful |
| 04:31:28 | Fastolfe | (to me0 |
| 04:34:36 | Fastolfe | presto, it's fixed |
| 04:34:43 | Fastolfe | packages the new release |
| 04:35:17 | Drago | i think xbill needs to be ported |
| 04:35:21 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 04:35:23 | Fastolfe | yeah |
| 04:35:51 | Drago | maybe that will be my first task to get used to Qt |
| 04:36:02 | Fastolfe | what I'm dreaming about is hooking a iambic keyer on the Z and porting morseshell :)) |
| 04:39:18 | Drago | hmm delete does not seem to be working from that desktop view |
| 04:43:20 | scanline | is back (gone 08:38:25) |
| 04:48:05 | Hellaenergy | Fastolfe: you fixed fbvncserver? |
| 04:52:36 | Fastolfe | Hellaenergy: yes |
| 04:53:19 | Hellaenergy | Cool what was it |
| 04:53:35 | Drago | no developer list for openzaurus? |
| 04:54:02 | Fastolfe | The memory leaks needed heavy-duty fixing, that I did yesterday, and the nmap problem was just a free() that happened before a malloc() |
| 04:54:14 | Fastolfe | it's getting really solid now |
| 04:55:16 | Drago | hmm is the repository not on sourceforge? |
| 04:55:25 | Fastolfe | for what ? |
| 04:55:25 | Drago | im only seeing a buildroot-oz module |
| 04:55:34 | Fastolfe | oh oz |
| 04:55:41 | Fastolfe | kergoth can tell you |
| 04:55:42 | NeoTron | is there a way to get a list of available files with a certain extension (ie *.etf or so) as opposed to of a certain mime type? |
| 04:55:50 | kergoth | Drago: what source are you looking for, in particular? |
| 04:55:58 | NeoTron | alternatively, can you add custom mime types? |
| 04:56:04 | kergoth | NeoTron: this is unix, file extension is irrelevant |
| 04:56:07 | kergoth | NeoTron: hehe |
| 04:56:14 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: find <directory> -name "*.<extension>" |
| 04:56:17 | Drago | kergoth, nothing in paticular right now, just wanna look around the code base and get my feet wet |
| 04:56:29 | kergoth | Drago: well, the rom consists of numerous components |
| 04:56:55 | NeoTron | kergoth: I want file extensions to easily recognise files as "my own". more exactly I'm thinking about various ways to support themes w/o a static list |
| 04:57:02 | Drago | kergoth, would porting xbill be a good getting started task? or is that going to be a little complicated? |
| 04:57:04 | kergoth | Drago: the graphical interface is Qtopia/Opie. Opie being hte fork of qtopia. they are very similar. the source to opie is at http://opie.handhelds.org/, the soruce to qtopia is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/qpe/ |
| 04:57:07 | kergoth | Drago: up to you |
| 04:57:09 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: programmatically. :-P |
| 04:57:18 | kergoth | NeoTron: the theme problem is on my todo list :-) |
| 04:57:33 | kergoth | NeoTron: qtopia uses mime type to associate files with applications, period |
| 04:57:42 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: "man opendir", "man readdir", "man closedir" |
| 04:58:16 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: I'd rather avoid such a low-level interface... |
| 04:58:25 | NeoTron | Oh well, will experiment. |
| 04:58:37 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: aaww man, I don't know, I'm trying to be helpful here :-) |
| 04:58:45 | Fastolfe | is a low-level programmer |
| 04:58:49 | kergoth | NeoTron: read the qt documentation |
| 04:58:56 | Fastolfe | don't know nothing about no stinking OO programming |
| 04:58:56 | Drago | NeoTron, maybe scandir() |
| 04:59:06 | kergoth | NeoTron: to open files. read the qtopia docs to open DocLnk's (including mime type stuff) |
| 04:59:11 | kergoth | heh |
| 04:59:34 | NeoTron | kergoth: Know about DocLnk, just wondering about content types etc |
| 04:59:53 | kergoth | NeoTron: btw, one of my tasks for Opie is to not compile in the QStyle's into libqpe, but instead keep them as seperate object files, and link them in using hte QLibrary class |
| 05:00:48 | NeoTron | using files in Config format would be good, just finding them is the problem (well, it's not if you use absolute links but... :) |
| 05:00:55 | NeoTron | anyhow, time to watch tv. :-P |
| 05:01:58 | Drago | kergoth, what repository will i find things like the text editor in? |
| 05:02:17 | kergoth | Drago: qtopia or opie. |
| 05:02:29 | Drago | ah, k |
| 05:02:38 | kergoth | Drago: either one.. since one is based on the other, they're nearly identical except for some changes we made that Trolltech didnt |
| 05:02:38 | v23 | Hi, is the SD card reading stuff implemented in beta2.6? It does not recognise my SD card. |
| 05:02:50 | kergoth | v23: is it formatted for vfat or ext2? |
| 05:03:03 | kergoth | v23: the sdcontrol file still tries to force to a vfat mount |
| 05:03:16 | kergoth | v23: i forgot to alter sdcontrol for this build |
| 05:03:25 | v23 | It has the default format. Should I reformat? |
| 05:04:00 | Drago | kergoth, sorry about the million questions...but am i going to want to get trolltechs zaurus SDK? or will i be fine with the strongarm cross compiler? |
| 05:04:00 | kergoth | v23: hmm.. are you certain it isnt seen? |
| 05:04:15 | kergoth | v23: you wont see an icon in the corner for the sd |
| 05:04:24 | kergoth | v23: that was a sharp specific change that wasnt released into cvs |
| 05:04:36 | kergoth | v23: however, it should be mounted on /mnt/card, iirc |
| 05:04:44 | v23 | let me check |
| 05:05:07 | kergoth | Drago: you need the sdk if you're doing ddevelopment with qt or qpe.. gui devel. you'll also need the crosscompilation toolchain from sharp's devel site to crosscompile for arm. |
| 05:05:32 | whardier | hi |
| 05:05:39 | v23 | oops, its there. I was fooled by the missing icon. Thanks. |
| 05:05:57 | kergoth | v23: thats on my todo list for Opie to add that function. no prob. |
| 05:06:01 | kergoth | whardier: sup? |
| 05:06:31 | ljp | hey wardier: it got cold here!! :D |
| 05:06:33 | Fastolfe | wow, I got my Zaurus' display in Nutscrape |
| 05:06:35 | Fastolfe | kewl |
| 05:06:44 | Hellaenergy | Fastolfe: Any new features for the fb...? |
| 05:06:46 | kergoth | whardier: you out of alaska yet? hehe |
| 05:06:52 | kergoth | Fastolfe: nice.. |
| 05:07:32 | Fastolfe | Hellaenergy: yeah, conservative CPU usage when the server is idle, keyboard and touchscreen redirection, http server for the java client ... |
| 05:07:35 | roge99 | Hellaenergy: yo |
| 05:11:16 | Fastolfe | Somebody suggested to me that I should include backlight control from the VNC client : what do you all think ? |
| 05:11:30 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 05:11:32 | kergoth | why? |
| 05:11:34 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:12:03 | Fastolfe | well, the guy says on the iPAQ, once the VNC client has started, you can turn the LCD off and/or the backlight off and it saves power |
| 05:12:47 | kergoth | ah.. hmm. |
| 05:13:02 | Fastolfe | I dunno, sounds pointless to me, but maybe he's got a point |
| 05:19:40 | Fastolfe | aawww great, now the library doesn't catch SIGPIPE :((( |
| 05:19:41 | Fastolfe | grrrrrrr |
| 05:24:21 | kergoth | needs a drink |
| 05:41:22 | Fastolfe | Gosh that server is rock solid now |
| 05:41:31 | kergoth | nice. |
| 05:41:41 | Fastolfe | yessireebob |
| 05:41:48 | kergoth | I'm bored, very, very bored. |
| 05:41:49 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:42:12 | Fastolfe | Are you not on that crazy island whardier is on too ? |
| 05:42:13 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:45:19 | kergoth | aha. i'm in minnesota |
| 05:45:28 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 05:45:32 | Fastolfe | it's cold too |
| 05:45:33 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:45:45 | kergoth | indeed :-) |
| 05:45:48 | kergoth | i hate winter. |
| 05:45:50 | kergoth | with a passion. |
| 05:45:52 | kergoth | i need to move. |
| 05:45:53 | kergoth | heheh |
| 05:45:55 | Fastolfe | you do ? |
| 05:46:02 | Fastolfe | I loooove the cold |
| 05:46:09 | Drago | hmm thats interesting |
| 05:46:14 | Drago | when i run qpe my screen gets inverted |
| 05:46:19 | Fastolfe | it's 10 out there and I'm barefoot and in shorts |
| 05:46:22 | kergoth | i'm more into summer activities than winter.. i get depressed in the winter. my moods are tied to the weather. heh. |
| 05:46:24 | Fastolfe | just ask BZFlag |
| 05:46:25 | kergoth | Fastolfe: lol |
| 05:46:33 | kergoth | Fastolfe: where you located? |
| 05:46:42 | Fastolfe | Beautiful boring Utah |
| 05:46:43 | kergoth | Drago: run qpe from where? |
| 05:47:39 | Drago | kergoth, my desktop |
| 05:47:45 | Drago | am i doing this all wrng? hehe |
| 05:47:55 | kergoth | Drago: oh ic.. in a qvfb? |
| 05:48:23 | kergoth | Drago: or are you trying to run qpe from an ssh session? |
| 05:48:27 | kergoth | heh |
| 05:48:27 | Drago | kergoth, nope, which is probably the problem ;) |
| 05:48:48 | kergoth | Drago: k, compile qpe for x86, run 'qvfb' (qt virtual frame buffer), then run'qpe' |
| 05:49:01 | Drago | yep, got it |
| 05:49:09 | Drago | so is there an IDE that i got with this thing? |
| 05:49:39 | Drago | or do i just code in my favorite editor and build with the cross compiler and what not? |
| 05:49:44 | kergoth | you can always use Kdevelop, it works well for qpe development and for crosscompiling |
| 05:49:47 | Drago | i see i got a widget designer with it |
| 05:49:50 | kergoth | or you can just do it manually |
| 05:49:55 | kergoth | yeah qtdesigner works well |
| 05:50:11 | kergoth | I like kdevelop + qtdesigner, or gvim. hehe. |
| 05:51:48 | Drago | so i test my code in qpe in the local fb and then cross compile it and move it over to my z when ready im guessing |
| 05:52:41 | kergoth | precisely |
| 05:54:24 | whardier | shoves his cock into the channel |
| 05:54:33 | whardier | it just wanted to poke around a bit |
| 05:55:02 | Fastolfe | echo 100 > /dev/zapmd |
| 05:55:07 | Fastolfe | crap |
| 05:55:08 | Fastolfe | sorry |
| 05:55:08 | whardier | ? |
| 05:55:13 | kergoth | eheh |
| 05:55:15 | Fastolfe | wrong term |
| 05:55:15 | whardier | what is a zapmd? |
| 05:55:30 | whardier | I don't have one of those |
| 05:55:31 | whardier | heh |
| 05:55:40 | whardier | oh |
| 05:55:40 | Fastolfe | it's the apm daemon that comes with X11 |
| 05:55:42 | whardier | z apm d |
| 05:55:44 | whardier | HAH |
| 05:55:47 | whardier | breaks apart |
| 05:55:56 | Fastolfe | w hard ier |
| 05:55:58 | Fastolfe | exactly |
| 05:56:08 | whardier | pokes fastolfe |
| 05:56:16 | Fastolfe | huffs |
| 05:56:47 | Fastolfe | you know kerg, it would be useful if you could turn off the LCD altogether when using VNC |
| 05:56:52 | Fastolfe | the guy has a point |
| 05:57:00 | whardier | howso |
| 05:57:07 | Fastolfe | to conserve power |
| 05:57:12 | kergoth | Fastolfe: true true. |
| 05:57:24 | Fastolfe | looks at the kernel source code |
| 05:57:35 | kergoth | goddamnit. there are a number of bugs that prevent compilation of the 2.5.3 kernel. wonder if im doing somethin wrong |
| 05:57:55 | Fastolfe | kergoth: I say just blame it on BZFlag |
| 05:57:56 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 05:58:03 | kergoth | hah |
| 05:58:50 | whardier | too conserve power |
| 05:58:56 | whardier | breaks down crying |
| 05:59:06 | Fastolfe | ??? |
| 05:59:13 | whardier | if you are using a wlan card.. what.. that option buys you like 2 minutes of power? |
| 05:59:17 | Fastolfe | Man, you really need to see some people now |
| 05:59:20 | whardier | dies |
| 05:59:43 | Fastolfe | they do have rescue boats you know |
| 05:59:45 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 06:00:52 | whardier | not for criminals they don't |
| 06:01:06 | PaIRnEiOx | What differences are there between the 5000D and 5500 |
| 06:01:10 | whardier | the snow drifts here get pretty big against buildings |
| 06:01:10 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 06:01:15 | PaIRnEiOx | other than memory |
| 06:01:32 | Hellaenergy | Battery Life |
| 06:01:33 | whardier | like foxes will climb up the snow drifts and attack seagulls on roofs of buildings |
| 06:01:52 | Fastolfe | well, whard, my advice to you is just come back inside the house, the cold is getting to you man |
| 06:02:03 | whardier | might buy a 5500d just for the sake of having a spare stylus |
| 06:02:12 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 06:02:13 | Fastolfe | gee |
| 06:02:13 | kergoth | whardier: thats just twisted. |
| 06:02:30 | whardier | the foxes here are everywhere |
| 06:02:40 | MSpin | whardier: you guys have regular mail/package service up there even? Impressive:) |
| 06:02:50 | whardier | if something dies around here.. there is a 100% chance that foxes either caused it.. or are surrounding it |
| 06:02:50 | Fastolfe | no no, it's just those silly herbs you smoke |
| 06:03:09 | Fastolfe | thinks whardier is stoned out of his mind |
| 06:03:09 | whardier | I do no drugs |
| 06:03:13 | whardier | I am high on iptables |
| 06:03:23 | Fastolfe | well, that proves it I say |
| 06:03:30 | PaIRnEiOx | Well im interested in developing for the Zaurus 5500, should I buy the 5000D or wait and get the 5500 cause of the extra memory? |
| 06:03:32 | kergoth | <whardier> I am high on iptables <-mind if i quote you? hehe |
| 06:03:37 | whardier | hahaha |
| 06:03:39 | whardier | sure |
| 06:03:52 | Fastolfe | that island should be quarantined |
| 06:04:03 | kergoth | whardier is high on iptables, and i'm up to my ass in makefiles |
| 06:04:05 | | ...but whardier is on crack or a pimp... |
| 06:04:05 | sjohnson | ibot: whardier is high on iptables |
| 06:04:05 | kergoth | shudders |
| 06:04:07 | whardier | there is nothing wrong with this island |
| 06:04:17 | Fastolfe | lolol |
| 06:04:19 | Fastolfe | rotfl |
| 06:04:25 | Fastolfe | cracks up |
| 06:04:29 | | bugger all, i dunno, sjohnson |
| 06:04:29 | sjohnson | ibot: hello? |
| 06:04:33 | | ...but whardier is on crack or a pimp... |
| 06:04:33 | sjohnson | ibot: whardier is high on iptables. |
| 06:04:34 | whardier | besides the fact that they wanna get me to set up a wireless link inbetween another island as well.. so that they can all share off the crappy internet service here |
| 06:04:44 | PaIRnEiOx | And I keep hearing that the Zaurus will run pretty much any linux app, is this true? |
| 06:04:59 | | you are on crack or a pimp |
| 06:04:59 | whardier | ibot: whardier? |
| 06:05:06 | kergoth | lol |
| 06:05:07 | whardier | heheh |
| 06:05:13 | Fastolfe | pees his kax |
| 06:05:19 | sjohnson | PaIRnEiOx: generally yes. |
| 06:05:33 | PaIRnEiOx | Ahh, cool |
| 06:05:59 | PaIRnEiOx | I saw the Quake port now they just need to go and get Doom Legacy on it |
| 06:06:10 | PaIRnEiOx | It has a linux port already and has multiplayer support |
| 06:06:13 | | ...but whardier is on crack or a pimp... |
| 06:06:13 | kergoth | ibot: no, whardier is high on iptables |
| 06:06:17 | | ...but whardier is on crack or a pimp... |
| 06:06:17 | kergoth | ibot: no, whardier is high on iptables |
| 06:06:19 | sjohnson | PaIRnEiOx: Forget the Quake port. |
| 06:06:24 | kergoth | stupid bot |
| 06:06:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:06:26 | | sjohnson: I forgot whardier |
| 06:06:26 | sjohnson | ibot: forget whardier |
| 06:06:29 | Fastolfe | jeezus h. christ |
| 06:06:32 | | OK, sjohnson. |
| 06:06:32 | sjohnson | ibot: whardier is high on iptables. |
| 06:06:37 | Fastolfe | this is a funny bot |
| 06:06:42 | | :) |
| 06:06:42 | sjohnson | ibot: botsnack |
| 06:06:42 | PaIRnEiOx | sjohnson: Doom 2 Legacy would be better, uses less ram |
| 06:06:51 | | you are high on iptables. |
| 06:06:51 | whardier | ibot whardier? |
| 06:07:14 | sjohnson | PaIRnEiOx: Forget any quake for right now. It will only run at 1 FPS at best on a StrongARM based machine. |
| 06:07:16 | Fastolfe | I gotta get outta here man, I'm really gonna pee my pants |
| 06:07:18 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 06:07:54 | | okay, sjohnson. |
| 06:07:54 | sjohnson | ibot: whardier is also a pimp |
| 06:08:03 | | okay, sjohnson. |
| 06:08:03 | sjohnson | ibot: whardier is also a high on a crack pipe |
| 06:08:05 | PaIRnEiOx | sjohnson: Im not talking about quake, Im talking about Doom, the game that came before Quake, Its much less graphical but still fun as hell |
| 06:08:19 | sjohnson | plucks ibot's strings |
| 06:08:38 | whardier | hey |
| 06:08:40 | whardier | I do no crack |
| 06:08:42 | whardier | hehe |
| 06:08:43 | whardier | well |
| 06:08:44 | whardier | I do some |
| 06:08:51 | whardier | but they have names.. and feelings |
| 06:09:02 | whardier | and oders |
| 06:09:19 | sjohnson | is near fainting with lafter |
| 06:09:45 | whardier | ? |
| 06:10:03 | sjohnson | whardier: You cracked me up. |
| 06:10:09 | sjohnson | Oh my sides hurt. |
| 06:10:16 | whardier | yambo |
| 06:10:22 | whardier | god damnit that is funny stuff |
| 06:10:32 | whardier | I was watching the late late show with whats his fuck.. |
| 06:10:39 | whardier | craig cilborne? |
| 06:11:01 | whardier | whatever right.. anyhoot they did these funny question thingys they called the game of Yambo |
| 06:11:08 | whardier | it was dumb.. yet funny |
| 06:11:10 | whardier | YOU KNOW |
| 06:11:28 | whardier | has a somewhat fast connectino right now so I am typing as fast as I can and as much as I can.. |
| 06:11:57 | whardier | anyhoot I gave this island a 250gig squid cache and transparent proxied all web traffic into it |
| 06:12:05 | Fastolfe | aahh gee |
| 06:12:05 | whardier | there is a lot of porn goings ons on this island |
| 06:12:17 | Fastolfe | what ? the damn gulls fornicating ? :)) |
| 06:12:23 | whardier | haha |
| 06:12:31 | whardier | there are like 600 people on this island |
| 06:12:49 | whardier | there are 750 megs of cache already |
| 06:12:54 | Fastolfe | oh, you mean the gulls with the people ??? |
| 06:12:58 | whardier | the logfile for squid is 90 megs |
| 06:13:06 | kergoth | hm i need to check out this new revision control system |
| 06:13:12 | whardier | Fastolfe: be a good little mormon |
| 06:13:21 | Fastolfe | whardier: amen brother |
| 06:13:28 | whardier | thanks |
| 06:13:30 | whardier | heh |
| 06:13:33 | whardier | NOW FUCK ALL! |
| 06:13:46 | Fastolfe | aaww now *that* hurts my LDS feelings |
| 06:14:14 | whardier | LSD? |
| 06:14:22 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 06:14:28 | Fastolfe | latter |
| 06:14:29 | Fastolfe | day |
| 06:14:30 | Fastolfe | saints |
| 06:14:33 | Fastolfe | ==mormon |
| 06:14:37 | whardier | Latter Saints Day |
| 06:14:59 | whardier | you people and your commercials |
| 06:15:07 | whardier | they make you feel all warm and fuzzy |
| 06:15:24 | whardier | and then they condemn you to hell for thinking about organized religion |
| 06:15:36 | Fastolfe | whatdyamean "you people" ? I ain't LDS, excuse the hell out of me |
| 06:15:38 | whardier | it makes me feel dirty |
| 06:15:50 | whardier | you live in Utah |
| 06:15:55 | whardier | you have to be LDS |
| 06:15:58 | whardier | its LAW |
| 06:16:06 | Fastolfe | well, you live in shitland too dontcha ? :) |
| 06:16:31 | Fastolfe | ain't my fault, I emigrated to the US and I missed my destination by 600 miles |
| 06:16:32 | whardier | yeah but our people don't pretend to walk on water (float) |
| 06:16:46 | whardier | I think that salt water was invented by mormons |
| 06:16:56 | whardier | so that they could fool people into thinking they can walk on water |
| 06:16:57 | Fastolfe | gives up |
| 06:17:10 | whardier | but they could not get the whole surface area thing down |
| 06:17:13 | Fastolfe | calls the men in white for whardier |
| 06:17:18 | whardier | haha |
| 06:17:24 | whardier | lets see them land on this island |
| 06:17:27 | sjohnson | whardier's mind works in mysterious ways. |
| 06:17:30 | whardier | is protected by massive cloud cover |
| 06:17:50 | Fastolfe | whardier's mind *is* a very large cloud cover |
| 06:18:12 | whardier | I am not organized |
| 06:18:21 | kergoth | whardier: we know |
| 06:18:23 | whardier | organization is from the deviol |
| 06:18:25 | Fastolfe | ROTFL |
| 06:18:27 | whardier | devil |
| 06:18:35 | whardier | even my spelling is onorganized |
| 06:18:39 | whardier | that way death cannot track me |
| 06:18:41 | Fastolfe | oh fuck, I gotta finish that release |
| 06:18:42 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 06:19:25 | whardier | lots of chicks here want to spank my bum and call me daddy |
| 06:19:37 | whardier | just cause I am white |
| 06:19:44 | Fastolfe | filter(*whardier*) |
| 06:19:44 | whardier | its a freaky thing |
| 06:19:49 | | whardier is your Daddy! |
| 06:19:49 | sjohnson | ibot: whardier? |
| 06:19:54 | whardier | haha |
| 06:20:02 | whardier | don't filter me |
| 06:20:19 | whardier | ever seen Waterworld.. of course you have .. Kevin Kostner is mormon |
| 06:20:43 | whardier | or a scientologist |
| 06:20:58 | whardier | hey Fastolfe where did you expect to land? |
| 06:21:33 | Fastolfe | Salt Lake "sissyland" City + 600 miles due west == San Francisco |
| 06:21:42 | whardier | haha |
| 06:21:53 | whardier | you know what is in San Fransisco right? |
| 06:22:02 | Fastolfe | many things |
| 06:22:17 | whardier | but you know.. the one thing SF is famous for having too much of |
| 06:22:21 | whardier | hint hint |
| 06:22:27 | Fastolfe | YES |
| 06:22:29 | whardier | trolleys.. |
| 06:22:31 | sjohnson | Californians? |
| 06:22:35 | Fastolfe | ROTFL |
| 06:22:52 | Fastolfe | Fornicalians |
| 06:23:22 | Fastolfe | what's the difference between "standby" and "suspend" in the Zaurus ? |
| 06:23:26 | sjohnson | It seems that I have also been infected with the insanity |
| 06:23:36 | whardier | retracts his needle |
| 06:23:38 | sjohnson | Fastolfe: Same difference |
| 06:23:40 | whardier | (then it is done) :) |
| 06:23:51 | Fastolfe | ... |
| 06:23:52 | Fastolfe | ... |
| 06:23:57 | Fastolfe | uuh okay |
| 06:24:02 | Fastolfe | sobs |
| 06:24:13 | whardier | trash bags meat good defracting window covers |
| 06:24:13 | sjohnson | Same thing, just two different name |
| 06:24:30 | sjohnson | now he's talking in code. |
| 06:24:35 | Fastolfe | stj: but there are 2 different ioctls with 2 different routines in the APM code |
| 06:24:39 | Fastolfe | can't be the same |
| 06:24:48 | whardier | http://www.beringsea.com/staff/ |
| 06:24:57 | whardier | here.. this is the class ToyKeeper and I am teaching :) |
| 06:25:10 | whardier | so far the Manager is the dumbest |
| 06:25:21 | sjohnson | Fastolfe: Trust me. Just a few layers before the suspend code. I've been though all of that code. |
| 06:25:37 | sjohnson | s/before/between/ |
| 06:25:41 | Fastolfe | okay then |
| 06:26:06 | Fastolfe | well then, since you've been through the code, how do you turn off the LCD ? |
| 06:26:13 | Fastolfe | That's what I'm looking for |
| 06:26:32 | whardier | hehe |
| 06:26:39 | whardier | you are looking in the wrong code |
| 06:27:00 | Fastolfe | oh yeah, sorry : "vi crazygull.c" |
| 06:27:03 | Fastolfe | :-))) |
| 06:27:04 | whardier | in the kernel look at drivers/video/collie_fl* |
| 06:27:19 | whardier | that defines a few APM calls I think |
| 06:27:20 | Fastolfe | oh, it's in the video driver ! :) |
| 06:27:23 | Fastolfe | silly me |
| 06:27:29 | Fastolfe | takes a look |
| 06:27:29 | whardier | silly fucking you |
| 06:27:43 | whardier | this sprite needs to be a big beer |
| 06:27:59 | sjohnson | the drivers register suspend and wakeup callback with the APM subsystem. |
| 06:28:14 | Fastolfe | A day never ends well if you don't get insulted silly by a crazed island troll |
| 06:28:15 | Fastolfe | :)) |
| 06:28:26 | whardier | I am no troll |
| 06:28:31 | whardier | I am 6'4" |
| 06:28:36 | Fastolfe | begs to think differently |
| 06:28:50 | whardier | cock slaps Fastolfe |
| 06:29:09 | Fastolfe | steps out before things get out of hand |
| 06:29:11 | whardier | is just testing the channel for anny hiccups |
| 06:29:12 | Fastolfe | is away: I'm busy |
| 06:29:19 | whardier | heh |
| 06:29:22 | whardier | I should CTFD! |
| 06:29:37 | whardier | did he make an out of hand cock joke? |
| 06:30:43 | whardier | dhcp rules |
| 06:30:46 | whardier | is so crafty |
| 06:31:57 | sjohnson | D*mn, I've lost my Z stylus. Argh!!! |
| 06:32:54 | kergoth | sjohnson: i did that like a week after i got mine. bought a new one, then found my z stylus again. heheh. |
| 06:33:06 | sjohnson | goes shopping |
| 06:33:48 | sjohnson | 8 bucks for a stylus? I don't think so. |
| 06:34:22 | whardier | where did you buy a new one? |
| 06:36:22 | sjohnson | whardier: You can get them from the sharp store site. |
| 06:36:56 | kergoth | I hate the stylus that came with my Z. i threw it away after i found it. heh |
| 06:37:20 | sjohnson | kergoth: What type of replacement stlylus did you get? |
| 06:37:22 | whardier | there is a new one that is better? |
| 06:37:28 | sjohnson | And where? |
| 06:37:35 | kergoth | whardier: we hear the 5500 stylus will be nicer |
| 06:38:04 | whardier | we. |
| 06:38:05 | whardier | hah |
| 06:38:07 | kergoth | sjohnson: i bought mine at a computer store around here, CompUSA. its just a Cross stylus/pen combo. as a bonus, its got a bit more weight to it, and fits more solidly. doesnt feel like its gonna fall out |
| 06:38:07 | whardier | you maybe |
| 06:38:09 | whardier | I hear nothing |
| 06:38:10 | whardier | :) |
| 06:38:22 | kergoth | whardier: well its no wonder, being stuck on that damned island :-P |
| 06:38:30 | whardier | haha |
| 06:38:39 | whardier | kergoth gimme the SKU on your stylus |
| 06:39:20 | kergoth | whardier: dont have the container it came in anymore, and the sku isnt on the stylus itself |
| 06:39:51 | whardier | laser etched possibly |
| 06:39:54 | whardier | grab a microscope |
| 06:39:58 | sjohnson | Hey a Palm stylus is the right diameter, but it's a 1/2 inch to long |
| 06:40:13 | whardier | sjohnson.. you said size did not matter to you.. |
| 06:40:14 | whardier | :( |
| 06:40:28 | kergoth | whardier: did you see bzflag released a version of the 1.02 romimage that uses jffs2 on the rootfs.. and you can write to it.. works flawlessly. |
| 06:40:36 | sjohnson | whardier: When did I day that? |
| 06:40:52 | whardier | Di Dunno |
| 06:41:06 | whardier | kergoth.. stuck on island.. send help.. |
| 06:41:31 | sjohnson | whardier: Why? Job related? |
| 06:42:00 | kergoth | http://oss.lineo.com/~timr/zaurus/SL5UpdateV102jffs2.img <-nifty |
| 06:42:28 | whardier | hmm |
| 06:42:29 | whardier | kergoth |
| 06:42:31 | whardier | OZ# |
| 06:42:35 | whardier | OZ3 |
| 06:42:40 | whardier | make happy witht the JFFS |
| 06:42:48 | whardier | I was not able to flash in a new thingy ma bob |
| 06:42:54 | whardier | whats on geezer right now that I should test? |
| 06:43:14 | kergoth | yes. bzflag needs to figure out why the kernel build in the buildroot isnt working for his new mtd driver.. then we can start testing jffs2 oz images |
| 06:43:17 | whardier | slap it into /var/www somewhere if you want me to test it |
| 06:43:22 | kergoth | whardier: hmm. k |
| 06:43:40 | kergoth | whardier: there isnt much that needs testing right now. I'm working out the kinks with the buildsystem to make it build most of OZ from source |
| 06:44:29 | whardier | augh |
| 06:44:33 | whardier | you left rsync out as well |
| 06:44:49 | kergoth | whardier: currently, it can crosscompile glibc, the kernel, bash, busybox, ncurses5, nano, grep, fileutils, findutils, mtd, net-tools, sharprom (splits apart a romimage), sharproot (mounts initrd.bin using loop), textutils, tinylogin, zlib, and it can create a jffs2 root image |
| 06:45:05 | kergoth | whardier: heh. deal with it. 2.6 was a bugfix release. i didnt bother with feature additions. |
| 06:45:18 | whardier | it was not an addition |
| 06:45:19 | whardier | heh |
| 06:45:33 | whardier | all my changes I did to 2.0 were killed |
| 06:45:37 | kergoth | err |
| 06:45:39 | whardier | iptables/rsync |
| 06:45:43 | whardier | all the new modules |
| 06:45:46 | whardier | working wlan stuff |
| 06:46:16 | kergoth | oh you mean in the 2.0->2.5 transition |
| 06:46:34 | kergoth | oops |
| 06:46:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:46:38 | kergoth | we'll fix that in beta 3 |
| 06:46:58 | kergoth | adds to todo list |
| 06:47:01 | whardier | is happy |
| 06:47:32 | kergoth | my current build area is /home/kergoth/roms/openzaurus/oldbuild/ for creation of romimages similar to how i was doing them previously.. the new fancy buildsystem is in /home/kergoth/roms/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/ |
| 06:47:52 | kergoth | current checkout of Opie from cvs is at /home/kergoth/roms/openzaurus/buildroot-oz/build/opie/ |
| 06:47:53 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:48:15 | kergoth | I want to hear what happened at the meeting today at linuxworld regarding opie/oz |
| 06:48:24 | whardier | me too |
| 06:48:31 | whardier | since I was invited and all |
| 06:48:39 | kergoth | yeah |
| 06:48:44 | whardier | they might not have licked my cock humor anywahs |
| 06:48:55 | whardier | err |
| 06:48:56 | whardier | liked |
| 06:48:58 | whardier | :) |
| 06:49:00 | kergoth | I was working, didnt make it home in time to call in on the conference call |
| 06:49:02 | whardier | damnit.. |
| 06:49:03 | kergoth | argh |
| 06:49:06 | kergoth | oh well |
| 06:49:19 | whardier | I would have been delayed by 500ms |
| 06:49:31 | kergoth | builds linux-2.5.3-o1-k0 for his desktop |
| 06:49:35 | kergoth | heh |
| 06:50:06 | whardier | 2.5.3? |
| 06:50:08 | whardier | fuck |
| 06:51:02 | Fastolfe | is back (gone 00:21:50) |
| 06:51:34 | kergoth | goddamn tv sucks |
| 06:51:35 | whardier | did you get a lot done? |
| 06:51:45 | Fastolfe | yup |
| 06:52:06 | whardier | WOOWOO! |
| 06:52:14 | whardier | you gonna let me say cock anymore? |
| 06:52:23 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 06:52:30 | Fastolfe | oh yes, please say cock :)) |
| 06:52:32 | kergoth | hm why is it sometimes even though I know I have shitloads of projects to work on, all i find myself doing is being bored, and whats worse, complaining about it? |
| 06:52:39 | kergoth | Fastolfe: should i leave you two alone? |
| 06:52:40 | kergoth | eheh |
| 06:53:02 | Fastolfe | kergoth: oh no, don't leave me alone with whard |
| 06:53:13 | kergoth | hah |
| 06:53:36 | whardier | Fastolfe are you a big guy or something |
| 06:53:44 | whardier | all your smiley faces have an extra smile |
| 06:53:45 | whardier | or chin |
| 06:53:47 | whardier | or something |
| 06:53:48 | whardier | :) |
| 06:53:52 | whardier | :)> |
| 06:53:55 | whardier | goatee |
| 06:53:56 | Fastolfe | This is scary |
| 06:54:03 | whardier | aww man |
| 06:54:15 | whardier | he is hard to predict |
| 06:54:25 | whardier | one second I think he is kidding with me.. |
| 06:54:34 | kergoth | lol.. i didnt expect him to run away |
| 06:54:36 | whardier | next minute he is off to the whore house in tears |
| 06:54:44 | kergoth | pictures someone running away screaming |
| 06:55:12 | whardier | spanks his leg |
| 06:56:59 | whardier | jerk chicken |
| 06:57:00 | whardier | hehe |
| 06:57:03 | whardier | jerk pickles |
| 06:57:06 | whardier | man |
| 06:57:09 | whardier | the world sure is funny |
| 06:57:43 | whardier | wants Fastolfe to come back :( |
| 06:58:17 | Fastolfe | dammit |
| 06:58:28 | whardier | hehe |
| 06:58:31 | whardier | where did you come from! |
| 06:58:39 | whardier | it said you exited |
| 06:58:42 | Fastolfe | I killed my fucking kde session |
| 06:58:45 | whardier | haha |
| 06:58:57 | whardier | we thought you ran away screaming and crying |
| 06:59:15 | whardier | kergoth was calling you a puss and everything |
| 06:59:15 | Fastolfe | what ? because you think I'm a poofta and you're all wet ? |
| 06:59:16 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 07:00:16 | whardier | haha |
| 07:00:21 | whardier | I love u Fastolfe |
| 07:00:31 | Fastolfe | not too close eh |
| 07:00:39 | whardier | you make the gulls chirp in the morning |
| 07:01:02 | Fastolfe | you're messed up dude |
| 07:01:08 | whardier | I am bored |
| 07:01:11 | whardier | lemme be |
| 07:01:33 | whardier | puts in a few hours in armagetron |
| 07:03:56 | sjohnson | g'd nite, you wild and crazy guys |
| 07:04:11 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 07:05:58 | whardier | hu |
| 07:06:01 | whardier | hi |
| 07:07:46 | whardier | fastolfe is no pussy |
| 07:08:04 | whardier | he is hardc0re |
| 07:12:18 | whardier | I wanna lay myself down in a bed of roses |
| 07:15:58 | kergoth`zzz | night people |
| 07:18:00 | roge99 | nite kerg |
| 07:30:42 | roge99 | is away: of f to bed |
| 07:41:11 | NeoTron | hah. :P |
| 07:44:30 | Fastolfe | hmmm |
| 07:44:41 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 07:44:45 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 07:44:50 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 07:45:08 | NeoTron | I wonder I wonder... |
| 07:51:44 | Fastolfe | ah! done with the release |
| 07:52:11 | MSpin | Fastolfe: this must be good:) |
| 07:52:31 | Fastolfe | it's a good one, it's got new goodies and I think it's bug free |
| 07:52:46 | MSpin | hehe |
| 07:52:49 | Fastolfe | (note the careful "I think") :-) |
| 07:52:55 | MSpin | what is it? |
| 07:53:10 | Fastolfe | framebuffer VNC server, so you can remote-control your Zaurus |
| 07:53:52 | MSpin | ah! yes |
| 07:55:02 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: was it you who tries the CDCEther driver earlier ? |
| 07:55:11 | Fastolfe | s/tries/tried |
| 07:55:21 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: nope |
| 07:55:35 | Fastolfe | oh okay |
| 07:55:38 | Fastolfe | I'm losing it |
| 07:56:01 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 07:58:41 | MSpin | Fastolfe: ok, I might just have to add it to my package feed now;) |
| 07:58:57 | Fastolfe | hehe |
| 07:59:11 | Fastolfe | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/fbvncserver_0.0.4-3_arm.ipk |
| 08:00:41 | Fastolfe | hi kendrick |
| 08:00:56 | kendrick2 | re |
| 08:01:22 | MSpin | 90k....not bad |
| 08:01:46 | Fastolfe | a third of that is the java client |
| 08:02:00 | MSpin | hehe |
| 08:02:32 | Fastolfe | Instructions on how to use it are here : |
| 08:02:33 | Fastolfe | http://sourceforge.net/project/shownotes.php?release_id=72845 |
| 08:03:28 | kendrick2 | deja vu |
| 08:03:33 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 08:03:37 | kendrick2 | just reading that url in my email :) |
| 08:03:44 | Fastolfe | you're a fast email dude :) |
| 08:03:55 | kendrick2 | hehe |
| 08:04:48 | MSpin | oooo...it's purty |
| 08:05:05 | Fastolfe | purty ? |
| 08:05:06 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 08:06:52 | MSpin | you know, the word 'sick' comes to mind |
| 08:06:59 | Fastolfe | sick ? why ? |
| 08:07:25 | MSpin | the fact that I'm controlling my PDA from my Linux over a wireless network> |
| 08:07:26 | MSpin | ? |
| 08:07:36 | Fastolfe | well, ain't that cool ? |
| 08:07:39 | Fastolfe | ain't sick |
| 08:07:41 | Fastolfe | :) |
| 08:07:52 | MSpin | sick in the best sense of the word:) |
| 08:08:00 | Fastolfe | oooh i see |
| 08:08:17 | Fastolfe | claims ignorance as english is not his native tongue |
| 08:08:36 | MSpin | oo |
| 08:08:39 | MSpin | mouse control died |
| 08:08:49 | Fastolfe | did you calibrate the ts first ? |
| 08:08:53 | MSpin | yup |
| 08:08:56 | MSpin | it was working |
| 08:08:58 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 08:09:00 | Fastolfe | strange |
| 08:09:00 | MSpin | and then stopped |
| 08:09:10 | kendrick2 | so hey, one of my websites was mentioned in the LA Times today :) :) |
| 08:09:12 | MSpin | I was in the scrap paper app |
| 08:09:17 | kendrick2 | (or, at least, on their website) |
| 08:09:19 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 08:09:24 | Fastolfe | what site Ken ? |
| 08:10:04 | kendrick2 | billsgames.com |
| 08:10:08 | kendrick2 | http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-000007683jan31.story |
| 08:10:40 | Fastolfe | lol |
| 08:10:41 | Fastolfe | cool |
| 08:10:55 | Fastolfe | MSpin: try restarting the server |
| 08:11:06 | Fastolfe | (it shouldn't do that) |
| 08:11:11 | kendrick2 | fame for me! yay! :) |
| 08:11:19 | MSpin | Fastolfe: I am |
| 08:11:25 | Fastolfe | did you try the CDCEther driver kendrick ? |
| 08:11:29 | MSpin | works now |
| 08:11:35 | Fastolfe | oh goody |
| 08:12:02 | MSpin | I can reproduce it tho:) |
| 08:12:10 | Fastolfe | how does it happen ? |
| 08:12:30 | MSpin | extended mose movement with the button down |
| 08:12:37 | Fastolfe | hmmm |
| 08:12:39 | Fastolfe | tries |
| 08:12:43 | kendrick2 | huh? when? where? |
| 08:12:46 | kendrick2 | not for a looong time |
| 08:13:01 | kendrick2 | last i tried (1-08 rom (ssshhh!!)), i still couldn't ping :( |
| 08:13:47 | kendrick2 | is there a new one??? |
| 08:14:04 | Fastolfe | oh I was just going to ask it there's anything you configure in menuconfig, or if it just goes |
| 08:14:48 | kendrick2 | god, it's been a long time |
| 08:14:51 | Fastolfe | MSpin: yes, it dies alright, but it recovers eventually |
| 08:14:51 | kendrick2 | and it not working didn't help :) |
| 08:15:09 | Fastolfe | MSpin: doesn't yours recover too ? |
| 08:15:12 | kendrick2 | i'd REALLY like for my cradle to not be so useless, but since it's USB and all this driver shit :( |
| 08:15:17 | kendrick2 | ... it just sits on my desk here at home |
| 08:15:19 | kendrick2 | unused |
| 08:15:22 | Fastolfe | kendrick2: I'm trying it right now |
| 08:15:32 | Fastolfe | I heard it's working okay these days |
| 08:15:44 | MSpin | mine hasn't |
| 08:15:47 | Fastolfe | and I'm a windows idiot, so I need to get this going under Linux |
| 08:15:51 | kendrick2 | new ver? with which rom? |
| 08:15:56 | kendrick2 | i don't _HAVE_ windows |
| 08:16:10 | kendrick2 | so i was totally fscked for a few weeks after i first got my z :( :( |
| 08:16:15 | Fastolfe | MSpin: I know what it is, it's the VNC client that sends events faster than qtopia can digest them |
| 08:16:21 | Fastolfe | will fix this tomorrow |
| 08:16:25 | MSpin | ahh, cool |
| 08:16:43 | Fastolfe | MSpin: wait till it's fixed :) |
| 08:16:53 | MSpin | hehe |
| 08:16:56 | MSpin | nice job though:)( |
| 08:17:10 | Fastolfe | thanx. If you just tap around, it works great tho |
| 08:17:18 | Fastolfe | and the kbd works too |
| 08:17:20 | MSpin | sure does |
| 08:17:33 | MSpin | I love doing network software installs |
| 08:17:41 | Fastolfe | on what ? |
| 08:17:45 | MSpin | the Z |
| 08:17:48 | Fastolfe | oic |
| 08:18:25 | Fastolfe | contemplates having a coffee |
| 08:18:46 | MSpin | I'm going to be working on an embedded StrongArm linux platform, I'll prolly be using ipkg for the packagement management |
| 08:18:57 | Fastolfe | cool |
| 08:19:13 | Fastolfe | use the latest versions tho, the one on the Z is somewhat broken |
| 08:20:24 | MSpin | yeah |
| 08:20:33 | MSpin | I ran into some problems with the zic package |
| 08:20:37 | MSpin | it was lacking _arm |
| 08:20:45 | Fastolfe | damn, you're right, if I leave the pen down long enough it'll die |
| 08:20:52 | Fastolfe | crap |
| 08:21:02 | kendrick2 | mspin - you didn't do zic, did you? |
| 08:21:04 | kendrick2 | or |
| 08:21:46 | MSpin | kendrick2: nope, I'm strictly a user:) |
| 08:22:07 | kendrick2 | ok :) |
| 08:22:37 | MSpin | now I jsut need KinkattaLite and all will be good:) |
| 08:22:41 | altered | anyone hard at work for Monday's deadline? |
| 08:23:11 | kendrick2 | oh shit, huh? |
| 08:23:19 | kendrick2 | i should start working on something sunday, otherwise i might be late :) |
| 08:23:20 | kendrick2 | laughs |
| 08:23:47 | altered | well, at least it doesn't have to work on the Zaurus yet :) |
| 08:24:59 | NeoTron | wonders why QDir segfaults on him. |
| 08:25:30 | NeoTron | #0 0x08059c2c in QValueList<QString>::detach (this=0x80b69d0) |
| 08:25:30 | NeoTron | at /opt/Qtopia/include/qvaluelist.h:415 |
| 08:25:30 | NeoTron | #1 0x404722f4 in QValueList<QString>::append () |
| 08:25:30 | NeoTron | from /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 08:25:30 | NeoTron | #2 0x402e3414 in QDir::readDirEntries () from /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 08:25:30 | NeoTron | #3 0x402ed043 in QDir::entryList () from /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 08:25:32 | NeoTron | #4 0x402ecfe3 in QDir::entryList () from /opt/Qtopia/lib/libqte.so.2 |
| 08:25:41 | Fastolfe | okay, here we go ... |
| 08:25:55 | NeoTron | $2 = (QValueListPrivate<QString> *) 0x1 <-- not strange that it dies... |
| 08:26:04 | NeoTron | hmm |
| 08:27:09 | kendrick2 | go to zauruszone.com |
| 08:27:17 | kendrick2 | boggle at: <title>zaurus_homepage.gif</title> |
| 08:27:18 | kendrick2 | laughs |
| 08:27:40 | kendrick2 | and i leave you with that |
| 08:27:59 | kendrick2 | nite |
| 08:31:24 | Fastolfe | I think I found the bug |
| 08:34:24 | Fastolfe | mspin, you still here ? |
| 08:34:39 | MSpin | yeah |
| 08:35:07 | Fastolfe | mind trying a new binary of fbvncserver ? it works for me but I'd like to know if it works for you too |
| 08:35:15 | MSpin | yeah, where is it? |
| 08:35:21 | Fastolfe | I can email it to you |
| 08:35:28 | MSpin | ok, jjhuff@mspin.net |
| 08:35:40 | NeoTron | gah, this is frustrating |
| 08:36:40 | Fastolfe | it's gone |
| 08:36:53 | Fastolfe | this should work |
| 08:40:48 | MSpin | ok, what's with qpe locking up in the hourglass screen after installing software? |
| 08:41:28 | Fastolfe | that's okay |
| 08:41:31 | Fastolfe | it's not a problem |
| 08:41:56 | Fastolfe | it's just that the icons call shell scripts and shell scripts can't tell qpe they're done with their work |
| 08:42:20 | Fastolfe | hmm |
| 08:42:26 | Fastolfe | am I misunderstanding you ? |
| 08:42:41 | MSpin | could be it |
| 08:42:58 | MSpin | it seems the only way out is to kill power |
| 08:43:00 | Fastolfe | I didn't send you a package, I sent you a binary |
| 08:43:04 | Fastolfe | ouch |
| 08:43:31 | NeoTron | uses dirent instead of QDir... |
| 08:43:56 | Fastolfe | you know what, I just updated the package on SF anyway, so you could re-download it and you'd get the newer version in the form of a package |
| 08:44:14 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: so much for not using low-level interfaces, eh :-) |
| 08:44:34 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: hehe. Well, the most important part was finding the correct directory |
| 08:44:49 | NeoTron | once that was done, using low-level crap isn't really an issue |
| 08:45:04 | NeoTron | it's only a few lines of code to do what I want: Found theme file /opt/Qtopia/pics/eligo/industrial.theme |
| 08:45:05 | NeoTron | :-)\ |
| 08:45:05 | MSpin | Fastolfe: yeah, sorry it took me so long, I had uninstalled it hehe |
| 08:45:13 | Fastolfe | heh |
| 08:45:20 | Fastolfe | ok, just get the ipk then, it'll be easier |
| 08:45:46 | Fastolfe | http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/zaurus/fbvncserver_0.0.4-3_arm.ipk |
| 08:46:20 | MSpin | it works fine |
| 08:46:31 | MSpin | was it the rate thing? |
| 08:46:35 | Fastolfe | great |
| 08:46:39 | Fastolfe | rate thing ? |
| 08:47:01 | MSpin | vnc sneding events faster than qpe could take it |
| 08:47:31 | NeoTron | whee. :P |
| 08:47:34 | Fastolfe | that's what I thought it was, but it's not possible since I receive VNC events no faster than I can send them to qpe. |
| 08:47:47 | Fastolfe | Turned out to be me forgetting to close my file descriptors :) |
| 08:47:52 | MSpin | oh, oops:) |
| 08:47:56 | Fastolfe | so after 256 events, it would hang there |
| 08:48:12 | MSpin | for every event it opens a fd? |
| 08:48:26 | Fastolfe | yeah, then closes it (usually ;-) |
| 08:48:31 | MSpin | ahh |
| 08:48:33 | Fastolfe | I have to |
| 08:48:41 | Fastolfe | I can't keep them open for different reasons |
| 08:48:50 | MSpin | fun fun:) |
| 08:49:03 | Fastolfe | well, at least it's fixed |
| 08:49:06 | Fastolfe | thanks a lot for your time |
| 08:49:08 | Fastolfe | I appreciate |
| 08:49:19 | MSpin | no problem |
| 08:53:53 | MSpin | well, I'm off to bed, see y'all later |
| 08:53:57 | Fastolfe | seeya |
| 08:54:00 | Fastolfe | gnite |
| 08:54:17 | NeoTron | whee it works |
| 08:54:23 | Fastolfe | what works ? |
| 08:54:35 | NeoTron | locating / reading names of themes |
| 08:54:38 | Fastolfe | hehe |
| 08:54:39 | NeoTron | of course that's all it does right now |
| 08:54:44 | Fastolfe | the beauty of C :) |
| 08:54:48 | kyoorius | hey. im reading conflicting stories about audio input on the zaurus. |
| 08:54:53 | kyoorius | is there or isnt there? |
| 08:55:17 | Fastolfe | you're not making a flat list of files with an extension that interest you in memory are you ? :) |
| 08:55:30 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: well, basically, yes |
| 08:55:39 | Fastolfe | hmm, well that's wrong :) |
| 08:55:54 | NeoTron | Nah, good enough for now |
| 08:55:56 | Fastolfe | kyoorius: what's the prob with the audio ? |
| 08:56:07 | NeoTron | I know one might want to support memory cards, but at the moment I don't care |
| 08:56:20 | kyoorius | audio input: is there or isn't there capability for it? |
| 08:56:43 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: it'll work most of the time, but I have a microdrive with 7000 text files in the same directory that say it's really easy to bring a computer to its knees with that method. |
| 08:57:01 | Fastolfe | kyoorius: yes, although the input gain mixer is rather mixed up |
| 08:57:20 | Fastolfe | kyoorius: you can record things my connecting a mike in the speaker port |
| 08:57:24 | NeoTron | Fastolfe: well, this specific directory will be used only by me and will contain: theme specification files, some shared images and theme image directories |
| 08:57:26 | NeoTron | that's it |
| 08:57:32 | kyoorius | are there hardware specs for that? I'm assuming the input is part of the speaker jack.. |
| 08:57:35 | Fastolfe | okay :) |
| 08:57:59 | NeoTron | but support for memory cards should probably be added. I'll write it in a way that easily allows you do to that |
| 08:57:59 | Fastolfe | kyoorius: I'm not sure Sharp released that. In fact, I'd bet they haven't. |
| 08:58:13 | NeoTron | anyhow, need to take out garbage and go to bed. |
| 08:58:32 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: okay. But don't worry about it, because Trolltech does it and they don't feel too bad about it :) |
| 08:58:38 | Fastolfe | NeoTron: okay, gnite :) |
| 08:59:09 | Fastolfe | nicotine o'clock |
| 08:59:10 | Fastolfe | brb |
| 09:06:17 | Fastolfe | time for bed. See you all |
| 09:10:08 | altered | kyoorius: I've wondered the same thing... haven't seen any specs for it though. |
| 09:11:18 | altered | kyoorius: I just want to know if it can do stereo output and mono input at the same time... (or at least with a single connector) |
| 14:20:38 | Nightvisi | anyone get samba running on the Z? |
| 14:25:31 | bipolar | is back (gone 16:25:56) |
| 14:44:45 | kyoorius | ya. i got samba running yesterday. |
| 14:44:46 | kyoorius | it was ez |
| 14:45:02 | Nightvisi | where did you get the ipk |
| 14:45:08 | kyoorius | zauruszone.com |
| 14:45:41 | Nightvisi | did you get is from the forum of a Dec post |
| 14:46:35 | kyoorius | sambaserver_2.0.7-1_arm.ipk |
| 14:46:48 | kyoorius | the date on the file reads 6-22/01 |
| 14:47:14 | kyoorius | actually it came in a sambaserver.zip file |
| 14:47:26 | Nightvisi | ok |
| 14:47:52 | kyoorius | http://www.zauruszone.com/ib3/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=3c5aaa987eedffff;act=ST;f=15;t=6 |
| 14:48:05 | Nightvisi | yeah I have that one I got an error when I tried to install it |
| 14:49:59 | kyoorius | worked 4 me. |
| 14:50:17 | Nightvisi | hmm I'm trying again now |
| 14:51:41 | Nightvisi | this is the error I get ipkg says something went wrong. Sorry |
| 14:51:59 | kyoorius | bbiasec |
| 14:59:55 | scanline | is away: food(sorta) |
| 15:06:12 | Drago | hmm is my unit only supposed to have 268k free? |
| 15:06:24 | Drago | seems a little low |
| 15:13:24 | Nightvisi | how comes the total is onlt 18mb |
| 15:15:13 | cpenguin_work | is back (gone 14:21:37) |
| 15:19:00 | kergoth | mornin |
| 15:23:46 | roge99 | is back (gone 07:53:05) |
| 15:24:23 | roge99 | good morning all |
| 15:24:37 | scanline | is back (gone 00:24:43) |
| 15:41:54 | kyoorius | anyone have problems with qt desktop 1.5 for windows? |
| 15:42:07 | kyoorius | the new version won't let me synch.. |
| 15:42:14 | kyoorius | the old version works though. |
| 15:42:59 | kyoorius | it does properly connect though.. i think (green icon in bottom right) |
| 15:45:53 | bugfixer | This may be a repost, but did anyone read this article: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-827640.html |
| 15:48:21 | bugfixer | This is the second time that i have seen an analyst say that the the zaurus is "high priced" |
| 15:48:37 | Shunt | bugfixer: Audi's and BMW's are "high priced" too. |
| 15:49:27 | bugfixer | But when compare the hardware to what Compaq and HP offered it looks like they are in the ball park |
| 15:49:55 | Shunt | bugfixer: How ya figure? The nearest comparison to the zaurus is probably that new casio with 2 card slots. |
| 15:50:52 | bugfixer | Shunt: I am looking at processor and memory |
| 15:52:33 | Shunt | bugfixer: Well, great. Look at features too. Keyboard, slots, etc. |
| 15:52:41 | kyoorius | it is high priced, but they need some leeway so they can drop the price when the pda war's hit. |
| 15:52:42 | bugfixer | Shunt: I don't think it is so high priced, I think it is comparable to other offerings, with extra's to boost |
| 15:53:16 | Nightvisi | has anyone tried to ssh into the Z via network card and not the cradle? |
| 15:53:16 | Hellaenergy | Hi Yall, TGIF. |
| 15:53:17 | Shunt | just hopes the software is sorted out by the time it launches... Don't need another VR3 on our hands. |
| 15:53:47 | kyoorius | it work pretty well, but for practicality, I still prefer the thinness and speed of my PalmVx |
| 15:54:08 | kyoorius | it sits well in my upper left shirt pocket. |
| 15:54:17 | Shunt | kyoorius: I've *never* liked palms... until I got the zaurus, my pda was a psion. |
| 15:54:30 | kyoorius | heh |
| 16:01:40 | kyoorius | hey. check this out (this is on the zaurus): |
| 16:01:41 | kyoorius | Active Internet connections (servers and established) |
| 16:01:42 | kyoorius | Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State PID/Program name |
| 16:01:42 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4992 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 134/qpe |
| 16:01:42 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1025 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 134/qpe |
| 16:01:42 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1034 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 134/qpe |
| 16:01:43 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 70/rpc.portmap |
| 16:01:45 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4242 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 134/qpe |
| 16:01:47 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4243 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 134/qpe |
| 16:01:49 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 140/sshd |
| 16:01:51 | kyoorius | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1051 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 134/qpe |
| 16:01:53 | kyoorius | tcp 0 20 192.168.1.201:22 192.168.1.200:1056 ESTABLISHED 577/sshd |
| 16:01:55 | kyoorius | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:111 0.0.0.0:* |
| 16:02:04 | kyoorius | what's it listening to on all those ports? |
| 16:04:19 | kyoorius | oh: |
| 16:04:20 | kyoorius | # telnet localhost 4242 |
| 16:04:20 | kyoorius | 220 Qt Palmtop transfer service ready! |
| 16:04:33 | kyoorius | # telnet localhost 4243 |
| 16:04:33 | kyoorius | 220 Qt Palmtop QCop bridge ready! |
| 16:04:52 | Triskelios | heh |
| 16:05:01 | kergoth | kyoorius: and..? |
| 16:08:03 | kyoorius | just snooping .. |
| 16:08:40 | kergoth | kyoorius: 4242 is a feature limimted ftp server. 4243 is qcop, which is used for inter application messaging in qpe, iirc |
| 16:08:42 | kergoth | yawns |
| 16:12:34 | Triskelios | is QCOP meant to be network-capable, or why isn't it using a local socket? |
| 16:12:49 | kergoth | Triskelios: good question, was wondering that myself |
| 16:14:04 | Nightvisi | anyone using ssh? |
| 16:14:22 | kyoorius | ya. got that working too. |
| 16:16:38 | Nightvisi | I can't sem to get it workinf anymore |
| 16:16:52 | Nightvisi | I'm using putty |
| 16:17:05 | kergoth | Nightvisi: elaborate on "cant seem to get it working anymore" |
| 16:17:09 | Nightvisi | and I did start it on the Z using sshd |
| 16:17:15 | Nightvisi | ok |
| 16:17:22 | Mallory | Is it listening? |
| 16:17:26 | Mallory | netstat --inet -an | grep :22 |
| 16:18:49 | Shunt | Anyone have the alarm on their zaurus just stop working? |
| 16:19:02 | Nightvisi | there is no pipe button |
| 16:19:09 | Shunt | shift + space |
| 16:19:13 | Nightvisi | ok |
| 16:19:26 | Mallory | Or use the virtual keyboard :) |
| 16:21:19 | Nightvisi | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* listen |
| 16:21:24 | Nightvisi | thats what is says |
| 16:21:44 | Nightvisi | this is what happens on putty |
| 16:22:09 | Nightvisi | I put in the IP ans select ssh and the screen pops up and goes away really fast |
| 16:22:40 | Mallory | Did you generate host keys? (Not sure if SSH will even start without them) |
| 16:22:58 | Nightvisi | yeah I did I got it working yesterday |
| 16:23:12 | Nightvisi | let me do that again |
| 16:27:01 | Nightvisi | ok I regen the key and the same thing happend again the Putty screen came and went real fast |
| 16:32:02 | kergoth | Nightvisi: you may want to wipe putty's cached keys.. it may not like the fact that the ip of your z is using a different host key than it used to be |
| 16:32:22 | Nightvisi | ok how do I do that? |
| 16:33:42 | kergoth | Nightvisi: in your 'my documents' dir, in the .ssh subdir |
| 16:36:22 | Nightvisi | nope don't see that dir |
| 16:37:09 | kergoth | Nightvisi: then i have no idea. search your system using Start->Find for "known_hosts" |
| 16:37:58 | Nightvisi | I'm doing that now |
| 16:38:03 | Nightvisi | it's strange |
| 16:38:16 | kergoth | I've seen that behavior out of putty before |
| 16:38:36 | Nightvisi | It worked here at work and then I went home and work there then I come back to work and it does not work |
| 16:38:55 | Nightvisi | whats on alternative program |
| 16:39:52 | kergoth | huh? |
| 16:41:04 | Mallory | So yesterday, at LWCE, Hancom was demonstrating their office suite on the Z. |
| 16:41:14 | Mallory | It was REALLY nice. Apparently it will ship on the 5500 ROMs. |
| 16:41:51 | Mallory | I also saw the 5500 cradles. There is a little guard on the front so the Z can only slide in one way, it was nice too. |
| 16:42:21 | kergoth | Mallory: indeed |
| 16:43:11 | Mallory | http://www.hancom.com/en/product_service/embedded0905.html |
| 16:43:20 | Mallory | There it is for anybody who hasn't seen it yet. |
| 16:43:27 | Mallory | Does .doc, .xls, .ppt. |
| 16:46:28 | Shunt | it'd be nice if they'd update the rom so we could try it out |
| 16:46:55 | kergoth | Shunt: its still in QA. patience! ;-) |
| 16:47:26 | kergoth | hm where are jason and bzflag and france.. i need a report on the opie meeting from lwce |
| 16:50:19 | Shunt | kergoth: I have none! :) |
| 16:50:37 | kyoorius | opie meeting? |
| 16:51:34 | kergoth | ljp: there's a minor bug in your embeddedkonsole changes.. if you run it, then hide the command list, the "edit command list" is disabled. however, if you exit it, and run it with the command list disabled, edit command list is not disabled as it should be. |
| 16:52:12 | kergoth | kyoorius: yes |
| 16:52:20 | kyoorius | thats that/ |
| 16:52:23 | kyoorius | whats that? |
| 16:52:34 | kergoth | kyoorius: http://opie.handhelds.org/ |
| 16:53:26 | kyoorius | i was @ linuxworld on wednesday and didnt hear of any opie meeting. |
| 16:53:44 | kergoth | kyoorius: you wouldnt. it was only for certain key people who are involved in the opie project. |
| 16:53:55 | kergoth | kyoorius: i'm just wondering when jason or bzflag or france will appear |
| 16:54:02 | kyoorius | ah. |
| 17:00:17 | Drago | good morning |
| 17:00:28 | kergoth | mornin Drago |
| 17:00:29 | Drago | is it a good or bad idea to buy an SD disk and use it as swap? |
| 17:00:40 | Drago | i seem to be running slightly low on memory :( |
| 17:04:37 | kyoorius | wouldn't it be better to move your apps to the external SD or CF and use the internal RAM as swap? |
| 17:04:37 | Drago | hmm 192mb cf card for $80 |
| 17:04:54 | Drago | but i should prob use an SD card, then i can still use CF for peripherals |
| 17:05:53 | kergoth | Drago: why dont you just create a swapfile in ram and install apps on the cf/sd? |
| 17:06:47 | Drago | that would work as well |
| 17:06:55 | Drago | im having trouble figuring out how this ramdisk is getting setup there |
| 17:07:00 | kergoth | Drago: ? |
| 17:07:24 | Drago | i need to shrink the ramdisk so i can keep more memory |
| 17:07:36 | Drago | err, no wait |
| 17:07:43 | Drago | hehe im having trouble figuring out how this memory is setup |
| 17:08:16 | Drago | i have 32mb in total right? used for both storage and ram |
| 17:08:20 | kergoth | Drago: 16 mb of flash, 32 mb of ram |
| 17:08:42 | kergoth | Drago: part of the 32mb of ram is a mtdram driver .. which makes part of the ram appear to be a standard mtd device |
| 17:09:14 | kyoorius | here's an interesting one: |
| 17:09:20 | kergoth | Drago: future openzaurus versions will be able to write to the 16 mb of flash |
| 17:09:38 | Drago | kergoth, oh is oz not going into the flash right now? |
| 17:09:44 | kergoth | Drago huh? |
| 17:09:53 | kergoth | Drago: oz is a flash image |
| 17:10:02 | Drago | oh yea, duh |
| 17:10:06 | kyoorius | I'm ssh'd into the zaurus, and when i fire up an mpeg on mediaplayer, its SUPER choppy. Top shows that multiple processes of mpegplayer are running |
| 17:10:19 | kyoorius | any clues? |
| 17:11:12 | Drago | hmm |
| 17:11:35 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 17:11:56 | Drago | if i wanted to shrunk the mtdbblock1 device (I assume that is my internal storage), whre would i do that? |
| 17:12:08 | Drago | shrink too ;) |
| 17:12:35 | bipolar | is away: Going to pick up lunch. bbiab... |
| 17:12:54 | kergoth | Drago: you would have to recompile the kernel |
| 17:13:03 | kergoth | Drago: the next sharp rom shrinks it by 6 megs |
| 17:13:13 | kergoth | Drago: and the next OZ rom will do the same |
| 17:13:29 | Drago | kergoth, im going to have a hell of a time using this one device for devel and PIM arent i? |
| 17:13:48 | kergoth | Drago: only if you forget to backup your documents to CF before your flash :-) |
| 17:14:01 | kergoth | Drago: like i do.. i keep losing my pim info cuz i forget to backup prior to my next flash |
| 17:14:02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:15:41 | kergoth | is in crosscompilation hell. again. |
| 17:15:45 | Drago | well right now with an out of the box oz flash, i dont have much free memory |
| 17:15:52 | kergoth | Drago: i know |
| 17:15:58 | kergoth | Drago: create a swapfile for now |
| 17:16:03 | Drago | ah ok |
| 17:16:09 | Drago | is going to buy an SD disk |
| 17:16:29 | kergoth | dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/root/swap bs=1024 count=1024; mkswap /home/root/swap; swapon /home/root/swap; # create a 1 mb swapfile |
| 17:16:30 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:16:35 | Drago | yep |
| 17:16:57 | Drago | oh btw |
| 17:17:11 | Drago | how do i generate a ^C or and EOF in the console? |
| 17:17:33 | kyoorius | function C seems to ^C |
| 17:17:35 | Drago | knew him getting used to hjkl in vim would pay off one day |
| 17:17:45 | kergoth | fn+C for ^C, fn+shift+[char] to hit ctrl anything else (i.e. fn+shift+D for EOF) |
| 17:17:45 | Drago | kyoorius, not in the console out of qde though |
| 17:18:04 | kergoth | Drago: you cant hit ctrl+stuff without the hardware keyboard, iirc |
| 17:18:35 | kergoth | Drago: but fn + C and fn+shift+key works in embeddedkonsole as long as you use the hardware keyboard |
| 17:19:01 | Drago | i was unable to generate a ctrl c out of embeddedkonsle |
| 17:19:06 | rospahr | Question: I am about to flash the latest OZ 2.6, can anyone tell me the file siz of the zImage and the initrd.bin, or maybe the md5sum? |
| 17:19:15 | kergoth | Drago: works flawlessly here. |
| 17:19:22 | rospahr | I want to make sure the files are not corrupt |
| 17:19:23 | Drago | 17860e15c02d881ec00641615745ab3a zImage |
| 17:19:23 | Drago | b524239b2e5b82cdb0e7583431b2d7a6 initrd.bin |
| 17:19:28 | rospahr | thanks! |
| 17:19:39 | Drago | kergoth, must be those two dead pixels breaking everything on mine :( |
| 17:19:44 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 17:19:56 | kergoth | try fn+shift+C in konsole using the hardware slide out keyboard |
| 17:21:11 | Drago | kergoth, wait but i mean the console as in, no qde |
| 17:21:19 | kergoth | qde? |
| 17:21:24 | kergoth | oh you mean qpe |
| 17:21:27 | Drago | hehe |
| 17:21:29 | kergoth | i dont know how from there |
| 17:21:30 | Drago | yea that one too |
| 17:21:34 | kergoth | never tried |
| 17:21:37 | Drago | ah |
| 17:21:43 | kergoth | WTF |
| 17:21:44 | kergoth | goddamnit |
| 17:21:47 | kergoth | arghh |
| 17:21:56 | Drago | ok well im off to buy an SD disk, bbs |
| 17:21:59 | Drago | thanks for the help |
| 17:21:59 | kergoth | ttyl |
| 17:22:38 | kergoth | my fucking build of libc.so.6 doesnt have versioning on __rpc_thread_svc_pollfd and __rpc_thread_svc_max_pollfd@!% |
| 17:22:57 | kergoth | yet the build of libnsl.so.1 references those symbols WITH versioning |
| 17:23:10 | kergoth | hence the undefined references when i link in libnsl.so.1 into an application |
| 17:23:12 | kergoth | growls. |
| 17:27:40 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:15:05) |
| 17:51:16 | | jasonNJ was last seen on #zaurus 1 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes and 30 seconds ago, saying: sourceforge has a wiki service doesnt it [Thu Jan 31 15:31:46 2002] |
| 17:51:16 | bipolar | ibot: seen jasonNJ? |
| 17:52:07 | Drago | well there goes that idea |
| 17:52:10 | Drago | they only had 32mb in stock |
| 17:52:12 | Drago | lame staples |
| 17:52:18 | kergoth | heh |
| 17:54:07 | kergoth | recopiles glibc. again. |
| 17:54:58 | bipolar | wonders if qpe will even compile on QT/e 3.0.1.... |
| 17:55:17 | kergoth | bipolar: doubtful. good luck. |
| 17:55:26 | kergoth | bipolar: dont format to -qt3 on the configure |
| 17:55:29 | kergoth | bipolar: heheh |
| 17:55:33 | bipolar | kergoth: I did not say I was going to try.... :) |
| 17:55:37 | kergoth | ah |
| 17:55:38 | kergoth | hehe |
| 17:55:48 | kergoth | if i get bored ill give it a shot |
| 17:55:53 | bipolar | kergoth: I got a patch for the hanging mediaplayer. |
| 17:58:33 | Drago | doh the writeright screen covers are just slightly too long |
| 18:02:25 | Neo|Work | moring |
| 18:02:55 | Drago | good morning |
| 18:04:12 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 18:04:32 | Kopsis | Drago: which size writerights did you get? I don't mind trimming if I can find the right width. |
| 18:04:40 | Neo|Work | "There will be a new Qtopia SDK available on Monday." (from contest email) - wonder if that means they want you to use that or... |
| 18:04:42 | Neo|Work | hmm |
| 18:05:17 | Drago | Kopsis, they were some left overs i had from the ipaq, it is the windows ce palm size PC ones |
| 18:05:27 | Drago | the widthis perfect |
| 18:05:35 | Kopsis | Drago: Thanks :) |
| 18:06:13 | Drago | ./hw |
| 18:06:13 | Drago | Hello world |
| 18:06:18 | Drago | weeeee |
| 18:08:39 | Neo|Work | Drago: :P |
| 18:08:59 | Drago | excited by the smaller things in life |
| 18:13:52 | Drago | hmm wait a minute, im not sure if i want an SD card |
| 18:14:06 | Mallory | I have a CF Ethernet card and a 128mb CF card. I want a SD card :) |
| 18:14:07 | Drago | does the hardware restrict what can be stored on it? |
| 18:14:30 | Neo|Work | Drago: you mean the secure part of SD? |
| 18:14:34 | Drago | yea |
| 18:14:36 | Neo|Work | I doubt it |
| 18:14:44 | Mallory | No |
| 18:14:45 | Neo|Work | actually I'm pretty sure not |
| 18:14:48 | kergoth | Drago: zaurus doesnt even support those features |
| 18:14:50 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:14:51 | Mallory | All the Z docs say "Copyright Protection Disabled" |
| 18:14:51 | weimer | is away: I'm busy |
| 18:14:53 | Drago | "security level complies with both current and future SDMI protable device requirements" |
| 18:15:00 | Drago | ah ok ;) |
| 18:15:22 | kergoth | I need to order a 802.11 cf card and a sd card one of these days |
| 18:15:47 | Drago | hmm i cant find anything larger than 128 |
| 18:16:28 | Drago | looks like that is the largest |
| 18:16:29 | Drago | doh |
| 18:16:42 | Drago | 256 would be nice |
| 18:17:01 | Mallory | http://www.esend.com/sandisk/products.asp?value=MESD&valueIs=dept |
| 18:17:08 | Mallory | That's as big as SanDisk produces them so it looks. |
| 18:17:14 | Shunt | SD cards have limited lifetimes I think. |
| 18:17:19 | Shunt | CD/MMC I should say |
| 18:17:35 | Mallory | Yeah? |
| 18:17:35 | Neo|Work | just read how Sandisk is coming out with a 256 MB SD soon |
| 18:17:39 | Mallory | What makes you say that? |
| 18:17:42 | Drago | should i stick with CF? |
| 18:17:51 | Neo|Work | All flash disk has limited writes |
| 18:18:10 | Neo|Work | CF flas has the same problem really |
| 18:18:12 | kergoth | Drago: up to you. most people want sd cards so they can use cf for actual devices like lan cards |
| 18:18:21 | Shunt | Doesn't CF spread the read and writes across the media? |
| 18:18:25 | Shunt | SD doesn't do that, right? |
| 18:18:29 | Drago | i should get ibms 1g drive, that is a fully spinning drive isnt it? platter and everything? |
| 18:18:32 | Neo|Work | that I have no idea o |
| 18:18:33 | Neo|Work | of |
| 18:18:37 | Neo|Work | Drago: indeed |
| 18:18:44 | Neo|Work | Drago: but it kills battery life |
| 18:18:46 | Drago | but then i cant put cool toys in the cf slot ;( |
| 18:18:59 | Drago | too bad we cant daisy chain the cards |
| 18:19:02 | Shunt | I've read that CF cards have roughly the same lifespan as a hard drive, and SD cards have much shorter lifespans. |
| 18:19:26 | Shunt | SD is fine if you want to store docs and stuff, but don't use it for swap. :) |
| 18:19:42 | Mallory | hmm, that's interesting |
| 18:19:50 | Mallory | Something I'll have to keep in mind. :) |
| 18:20:41 | Drago | is 5500 going to have 16m flash or 32? |
| 18:20:49 | kyoorius | i see in the not-so-distant future: memory cards that contain both dram+flash ram built into one.. |
| 18:20:52 | Drago | Shunt, i was going to use it as swap, there goes that idea ;) |
| 18:21:13 | Shunt | Drago: I have a 128MB CF card I'll probably use as swap |
| 18:21:25 | Mallory | I do that, but then I can't use the ethernet. |
| 18:21:27 | Drago | Shunt, wanna trade me for two 64mb cf cards? :) |
| 18:21:32 | Mallory | And you have to swapoff whenever you want to take it out to put in the ethernet card. |
| 18:21:34 | Shunt | Drago: nah... |
| 18:21:48 | Drago | Shunt, ill throw in a light up ibm pen from the expo ;) |
| 18:22:02 | Shunt | Drago: Um... describe this pen :P |
| 18:22:07 | Shunt | KIDDING! :0 |
| 18:22:12 | Drago | hehe |
| 18:22:35 | Shunt | My zaurus only sees the net from it's cradle. IT'll get wireless once the serial cable comes out. If it comes out. Blah. |
| 18:22:57 | Drago | mm 512mb cf card |
| 18:23:04 | Drago | and it cost more than the z |
| 18:23:06 | Drago | yay |
| 18:23:25 | kyoorius | shunt- how did u get the net working w/ the cradle? Did u use some sort of packed fowarding on your PC? |
| 18:23:35 | kyoorius | err packet. |
| 18:23:37 | Drago | i just masq mine out |
| 18:23:51 | Drago | one iptables line |
| 18:24:17 | Shunt | kyoorius: Followed the directions for the CDCEther module... |
| 18:26:11 | kendrick2 | so, uh... jason? |
| 18:26:31 | kendrick2 | anyone here able to answer an eth question for me for 1.02 rom? |
| 18:26:45 | kendrick2 | (not for me specifically, but i dont want to leave this guy on the ML hanging :) ) |
| 18:26:47 | kergoth | kendrick2: possibly, whats the question |
| 18:27:13 | kendrick2 | well, ok, when i first tried out my socket eth CF card, i just plugged it in and poked somethin gin the Network app, and voila! |
| 18:27:19 | kendrick2 | that was with a 12-xx rom |
| 18:27:35 | kendrick2 | i'm assuming this guy just has a stock (1.02) rom, and he says he doesn't know how to get eth going |
| 18:27:42 | kendrick2 | i dont remember if the network app was in that rom :) |
| 18:27:52 | Mallory | I still have the stock ROM |
| 18:28:00 | kendrick2 | you got a CF eth card? :) |
| 18:28:01 | Mallory | And the Socket ethernet card |
| 18:28:03 | Mallory | Yeah |
| 18:28:06 | kendrick2 | ah! excellent! |
| 18:28:11 | Mallory | set it to use dhcp, plug it in, wallah |
| 18:28:11 | kendrick2 | you on zaurus-general? |
| 18:28:13 | Mallory | yup |
| 18:28:22 | Mallory | I just purged all my mailboxes though so I might not have the original |
| 18:28:32 | Mallory | nope |
| 18:28:36 | kendrick2 | damn |
| 18:28:40 | kendrick2 | can i fwd? :) |
| 18:28:41 | Mallory | (you can fwd it ot me at ryan@guardiandigital.com) |
| 18:28:42 | Mallory | sure |
| 18:28:48 | Mallory | Going out for a smoke, I'll answer when I come back in |
| 18:29:10 | kendrick2 | fwd'ing |
| 18:29:11 | kendrick2 | thx!!! |
| 18:30:12 | kendrick2 | was at Murder Burger in Davis (err.. Redrum Burger now, I guess) |
| 18:30:33 | kendrick2 | and was reading scooped sites with Opera and some rather well-dressed guy was sitting next to me and asked "Is that Palm or PocketPC?" |
| 18:30:34 | kendrick2 | bwahahaha |
| 18:31:08 | kendrick2 | turns out he was some bigwig lawyer heading to SF... |
| 18:31:14 | Shunt | how are you scooping sites? |
| 18:31:21 | kendrick2 | now he's sending me URLs & such he's found about the Zaurus :) |
| 18:31:24 | kendrick2 | site scooper ;) |
| 18:31:30 | Shunt | where'd ya get it? |
| 18:31:36 | kendrick2 | apt-get install sitescooper ;) |
| 18:31:44 | kendrick2 | http://www.sitescooper.org/ |
| 18:31:52 | Shunt | good... no apt-get here. :P |
| 18:31:58 | kendrick2 | i'm so, so, sorry |
| 18:31:59 | kendrick2 | heheheheheh |
| 18:32:17 | Shunt | I'm not. No debian period. No waiting friggin 2 years for packages to move to stable. |
| 18:33:03 | kergoth | Shunt: so dont use stable. |
| 18:33:18 | kergoth | Shunt: I run unstable and have never had any difficulties whatsoever. |
| 18:33:19 | kendrick2 | uses stable at work |
| 18:33:21 | Shunt | I'll stick with RPM... |
| 18:33:26 | kergoth | Shunt: try Conectiva linux |
| 18:33:27 | kendrick2 | uses testing or something at home |
| 18:33:31 | kergoth | Shunt: rpm + apt-get |
| 18:33:32 | kendrick2 | mmmm... kde2 <drool> |
| 18:33:40 | kergoth | Shunt heh |
| 18:34:28 | kendrick2 | "Warwick Allison Of QT And KDE Fame" |
| 18:34:30 | Shunt | I like Suse. It installs well. Doesn't overload ya with crap |
| 18:34:41 | kendrick2 | (from july 2000 :) ) |
| 18:34:41 | kergoth | Suse? |
| 18:34:43 | kergoth | shudders |
| 18:34:49 | kendrick2 | example sitescoop'ed slashdot |
| 18:34:56 | kergoth | Suse uses nonstandard package names. i HATE that. |
| 18:35:04 | kendrick2 | suse -doesn't- overload you with crap!? |
| 18:35:20 | kergoth | suse is like fucking 7 cds man |
| 18:35:23 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:35:36 | Drago | doh, i did not know the sd slot also works with mmc |
| 18:35:37 | kendrick2 | i mean, i dont dislike suse, but from every boxed suse package i've seen, it touts, like, 6-7 CDROMs, and actually lists a z-80 emu on the side of the box! |
| 18:35:38 | kendrick2 | haha |
| 18:35:43 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:35:44 | Shunt | kergoth: You don't have to install it all. |
| 18:35:44 | kendrick2 | drago - yep |
| 18:35:59 | Drago | this magical device is wonderful |
| 18:36:05 | kergoth | Shunt: non standard package names just to be different is simply bad design |
| 18:36:26 | Shunt | kergoth: Yes and no. It is a bad idea, but it rarely is a problem. |
| 18:36:36 | kergoth | I mean, suse's kernel source paackage is called "linux". every other distro calls it kernel-source. |
| 18:37:05 | kergoth | indeed. that just turned me away. If i see obvious bad design decisions from the get go, i'm tending to go elsewhere. hehe. |
| 18:37:08 | Shunt | how many people keep that source tho? Just grab your own and upgrade the kernel |
| 18:37:24 | kendrick2 | hisses |
| 18:37:24 | kergoth | I always use package management to maange all aspects of my system, including kernel source |
| 18:37:51 | kendrick2 | ljp? |
| 18:38:31 | kyoorius | whats /sbin/sdmgr, the SD slot daemon? |
| 18:38:41 | kendrick2 | thinks so |
| 18:38:52 | kendrick2 | so how many people here /just/ got their zaurus? |
| 18:38:54 | Mallory | Safe assumption. |
| 18:39:01 | kendrick2 | i've noticed extra traffic here since LWE,NY |
| 18:39:07 | Mallory | I saw about 10 people walking around holding them at the expo :) |
| 18:39:10 | kyoorius | kills it to free up extra memory. |
| 18:39:15 | kendrick2 | altho the irc chan was also mentioned in linux[mag|journ] |
| 18:39:23 | kendrick2 | mallory - that's all!? |
| 18:39:28 | kendrick2 | just 10!? |
| 18:39:29 | kendrick2 | hehehe |
| 18:39:32 | Mallory | I was only there for 2 hours |
| 18:39:34 | Shunt | kergoth: you upgrade kernel source thru package management? Blah. |
| 18:39:36 | kendrick2 | were they all crowded with onlookers? :) |
| 18:39:36 | Mallory | It was pretty beat :( |
| 18:39:36 | kyoorius | ya. i think every linux hacker walked out of that show with $432 less in the bank acct. |
| 18:39:41 | Mallory | The booth was PACKED though |
| 18:39:45 | Drago | i saw way more than 10 |
| 18:39:50 | kendrick2 | mal - "It was" or "I was"? ;) |
| 18:39:56 | kendrick2 | ky - hehehe |
| 18:39:56 | Drago | Mallory, yah and they couldnt clear ccs for like two hours :( |
| 18:39:57 | Mallory | It was, the expo :( |
| 18:39:58 | Drago | i had to wait |
| 18:40:02 | Drago | it was tedious |
| 18:40:14 | Mallory | I was tempted to say "I just bought one a few weeks ago, can I get a free case?" |
| 18:40:20 | kendrick2 | mall - hehehe |
| 18:40:23 | kendrick2 | yeah, i'm kinda pissed |
| 18:40:23 | Mallory | (since you guys dont' SELL them yet and I'd happily buy one) |
| 18:40:26 | Drago | Mallory, want a case |
| 18:40:27 | kyoorius | so Im guessing most everyone here is from the NYC area.. |
| 18:40:27 | kendrick2 | oh wait, i didnt pay for mine ;) |
| 18:40:29 | Drago | Mallory ? |
| 18:40:32 | Mallory | Sure |
| 18:40:34 | Mallory | Is it any good? |
| 18:40:37 | Drago | Mallory, i asked for two since i had to wait so long |
| 18:40:40 | kendrick2 | is in Calif ;) |
| 18:40:44 | Mallory | Basically I want something that will hold the Z and my CF Ethernet card. |
| 18:40:53 | Mallory | If it won't hold the ether card then I'll pass and keep looking :) |
| 18:40:53 | kendrick2 | cool |
| 18:40:57 | Drago | Mallory, its ok, it doesnt fit exactly, but a decent fit |
| 18:41:01 | kendrick2 | i notice my z is getting a little beat around the edges |
| 18:41:04 | kendrick2 | silver turning black |
| 18:41:06 | Drago | Mallory, actually, maybe thats why it is extra long |
| 18:41:12 | kendrick2 | (nothing like my agenda vr3d tho - yikes!) |
| 18:41:49 | kendrick2 | wanders for a moment to see if boss is actually here |
| 18:42:04 | kendrick2 | decides, 16mos later, that he needs a monitor stand :) |
| 18:42:28 | Drago | Mallory, email me an address, i will drop it in the mail. nathan@0x00.org |
| 18:43:05 | Mallory | Wow, I'd really appreciate that. |
| 18:43:19 | Mallory | Where are you located? |
| 18:43:22 | scanline | is away: class |
| 18:43:23 | Drago | connecticut |
| 18:43:29 | Mallory | Cool, my GF lives in CT |
| 18:43:32 | kend2-akf | err.. afk |
| 18:43:35 | kend2-akf | (you get the idea ;) ) |
| 18:43:36 | Mallory | I work in Northern NJ around Paramus |
| 18:43:56 | Shunt | goes to CT a lot on business and loves it. |
| 18:44:01 | Drago | ah cool |
| 18:44:07 | Drago | hmm CT isnt very exciting :) |
| 18:44:31 | Shunt | Yes, but I know a very cute girl in CT. :P |
| 18:44:36 | Mallory | too |
| 18:44:43 | Drago | ah thats my problem! |
| 18:45:08 | Drago | Mallory, its yours free, ill try to drop it in the mail on monday. |
| 18:45:25 | Mallory | Thanks again! |
| 18:46:12 | Drago | am i the only one that has dead pixels? :( |
| 18:46:15 | Drago | i feel so violated |
| 18:46:18 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:34:43) |
| 18:50:52 | Drago | notes that he did a terrible job cutting this screen cover |
| 18:50:53 | kyoorius | go get a replacement. |
| 18:51:23 | kyoorius | maybe its just dirt inside the glass. |
| 18:51:23 | Drago | im hoping they will send me a new one and i will send the broken one back |
| 18:51:37 | Drago | na, its definitely two dead pixels |
| 18:51:52 | Mallory | That sucks |
| 18:52:04 | Drago | what surprises me is that nobody else seems to have any |
| 18:52:10 | Drago | i should go buy a lotto ticket |
| 18:52:14 | Shunt | is annoyed with the addressbook... it seems to not like the XML I'm feeding it... |
| 19:04:25 | Drago | hmm i hae the trolltech toolkit, qtman-2.00, and the cross compiler tools, anything else i need to hack before i go away for the weekend to hack? |
| 19:04:32 | Drago | hmm should prob get the qtopia source |
| 19:05:01 | Mallory | I got the new ORA Qt book at the expo |
| 19:05:06 | Mallory | I was psyched because no bookstores had it yet |
| 19:05:15 | Drago | got it at the show? |
| 19:05:18 | Mallory | Read the first three chapters on the train ride home, pretty good overiew. |
| 19:05:22 | Mallory | Yeah at the O'Reilly booth. |
| 19:05:34 | Triskelios | free? :) |
| 19:05:39 | Mallory | Na, $30 I think |
| 19:05:45 | Mallory | I own about 25 ORA books. I love 'em :) |
| 19:07:03 | Shunt | has a few... their palmOS book makes programming for palmos somewhat less painful than it is. |
| 19:07:09 | Shunt | but it's still pretty damn painful. |
| 19:08:37 | Drago | it does use qt2 not 3 right? |
| 19:11:11 | kendrick2 | just lent his palmos prog book (from '99!) to a friend |
| 19:12:54 | Shunt | palmos is the devil |
| 19:13:52 | sjohnson | But it's better then WinCE. :) |
| 19:14:04 | Shunt | sjohnson: It's less bloated, sure. But better.... ? |
| 19:14:33 | sjohnson | In term of the running. For programmers, it a toss up. |
| 19:14:34 | Mallory | Thank's Ryan - shame on me: I was using a plug that was not connected to |
| 19:14:34 | Mallory | the hub. |
| 19:14:37 | Mallory | heh, that would do it :) |
| 19:15:00 | kendrick2 | palmos is very nice |
| 19:15:05 | kendrick2 | interface-wise - for an end-user |
| 19:15:19 | Shunt | sjohnson: Dunno... text fields on CE have scrollbars.... you don't have to handle that manually. It's those little things you appreciate. :P |
| 19:15:20 | kendrick2 | and you can't (currently) beat its userbase ;) |
| 19:16:18 | sjohnson | Shunt: Like I said a toss up. To me the WinCE programming is ickier. |
| 19:17:02 | Shunt | sjohnson: Dunno... I'd think WinCE programming would be easier... I dislike VB, but how hard can that be? |
| 19:18:35 | sjohnson | Not hardm just ickier. :) |
| 19:18:52 | Shunt | sjohnson: well, C on palm manages to be hard and icky. So blah. |
| 19:18:59 | icefox | Where do I upload my files to test? |
| 19:19:07 | icefox | not test, for the contest I mean |
| 19:22:50 | icefox | Do I have to give the source code now? |
| 19:23:12 | icefox | or just the ipk? |
| 19:27:22 | whardier | has seen like over 20 icefoxes |
| 19:27:45 | icefox | ? |
| 19:27:56 | icefox | you mean *fox? |
| 19:28:03 | icefox | Every just wants to be like me hehe |
| 19:29:59 | Triskelios | icefox: http://contest.trolltech.com/members/ I think |
| 19:30:09 | icefox | yup |
| 19:30:11 | icefox | Just found it |
| 19:30:15 | Triskelios | you need at least the source, I suppose |
| 19:30:21 | icefox | hehe |
| 19:30:30 | icefox | How is this for a Description? |
| 19:30:33 | icefox | Kinkatta-Lite is an AOL compatible instant messanger. Providing excellent chat support while still keeping the binary size small. |
| 19:31:21 | Shunt | icefox: you wrote kinkatta-lite? |
| 19:32:09 | icefox | Shunt: yup |
| 19:32:20 | icefox | Got 2.4 working again today and have a new build |
| 19:32:22 | Shunt | icefox: When are you going to publically release it? |
| 19:32:26 | icefox | Today |
| 19:32:32 | Shunt | oh :) |
| 19:32:32 | kergoth | hey icefox |
| 19:32:33 | icefox | Once I come up with a good discription |
| 19:32:34 | kergoth | sup? |
| 19:32:48 | | bzflag was last seen on #bzflag 19 hours, 26 minutes and 15 seconds ago, saying: ok [Fri Feb 1 00:06:33 2002] |
| 19:32:48 | kergoth | ibot: seen bzflag? |
| 19:32:50 | icefox | Getting the flu sucks :) |
| 19:33:03 | icefox | I spent almost 2 weeks in bed |
| 19:33:15 | kergoth | shit... |
| 19:33:18 | icefox | But now I am better and am putting out a new kinkatta-lite |
| 19:33:23 | tux_mike | hrm... i got 2 days to figure out QT |
| 19:33:27 | icefox | haha |
| 19:33:36 | Hellaenergy | me too |
| 19:33:39 | icefox | So is that a good discription? |
| 19:33:50 | tux_mike | looks like i'm pulling an all nighter tomrrow |
| 19:34:00 | icefox | all you need is a beta |
| 19:34:12 | icefox | http://www.comics.com/comics/dilbert/ |
| 19:34:13 | icefox | haha |
| 19:34:15 | Triskelios | icefox: mention it's a fork of kinkatta? :Þ |
| 19:34:39 | tux_mike | icefox: i havent done gui programming in C++ :) |
| 19:34:42 | icefox | ah |
| 19:35:08 | Hellaenergy | Tux_mike: What have you done it with? |
| 19:35:17 | tux_mike | i've done VB, and i understand C++. i |
| 19:35:24 | tux_mike | 'm pulling an all-nighter :) |
| 19:35:25 | icefox | Kinkatta-Lite is an AOL compatible instant messanger. Kinkatta-Lite which is based upon Kinkatta provides excellent chat support while keeping the binary size small. It is released under the gpl and lgpl license. |
| 19:35:55 | icefox | How is that? |
| 19:36:07 | tux_mike | looks ok to me |
| 19:36:11 | Hellaenergy | Where in the world are you tux_mike? |
| 19:36:28 | tux_mike | here :) |
| 19:36:33 | Hellaenergy | me too |
| 19:36:34 | tux_mike | hehe, chicago |
| 19:37:09 | tux_mike | you can't be here! only i am here! |
| 19:37:09 | Hellaenergy | where in chicago |
| 19:37:11 | Neo|Work | wheee! Basic themed loading works. :-PP |
| 19:37:12 | Hellaenergy | I got friends there |
| 19:37:29 | tux_mike | western suburbs, about 8 miles or so outside of o'hare |
| 19:37:51 | tux_mike | directly west of o'hare |
| 19:37:51 | Hellaenergy | cool they live in Rigley ville |
| 19:38:14 | bipolar | Neo|Work: Themed loading for what? |
| 19:38:31 | Hellaenergy | Anyone here in Japan? |
| 19:38:35 | tux_mike | brb... gotta get ac adapter from car before laptop implodes |
| 19:39:05 | whardier | haha |
| 19:39:15 | Hellaenergy | Go get that ROM from Sharp for us :) |
| 19:39:16 | Neo|Work | bipolar: my game |
| 19:40:32 | bipolar | Neo|Work: What's the game? |
| 19:41:39 | Neo|Work | puzzle game, Eligo |
| 19:42:31 | icefox | What do you send to a mail server to remove yourself from the list? |
| 19:51:07 | rospahr | question: for those who are using the OZ beta rom's, what do you all do for an email client? Have you grabbed the qtmail app from sharp? of do you just log in and use pine :-) |
| 19:55:09 | icefox | How do you upload both the source and ipk when it only asks for 1 file? |
| 19:55:53 | Shunt | icefox: zip them together? |
| 19:56:09 | icefox | Is that what we should do? |
| 19:57:15 | Mallory | I think they actually want it in RPM format. |
| 19:58:25 | Mallory | Submissions must be made in the form of binary executables. For the beta entry, .tgz/rpm for x86 file format or .ipkg packages are accepted. For the final release, only .ipkg packages will be accepted. Entrants who are submitting open source applications must also provide source code. |
| 20:00:36 | icefox | how though? |
| 20:00:42 | icefox | upon request? |
| 20:01:47 | Mallory | Try reading the rules. |
| 20:01:52 | Mallory | http://contest.trolltech.com/rules.html |
| 20:02:05 | Mallory | If you can't determine it from that you should probably ask contest@trolltech.com. |
| 20:10:32 | kyoorius | I think there are like 5 categories & 10 prizes each + a grand prize. |
| 20:10:38 | kyoorius | that's like 51 prizes. |
| 20:10:52 | kyoorius | looks like everyone who enters is going to win something. |
| 20:10:53 | kyoorius | heh. |
| 20:10:59 | kendrick2 | i think 5 category prizes, plus 1 grand prize, plus 10 top-of-cat prizes |
| 20:11:03 | kendrick2 | haahah |
| 20:12:10 | whardier | kyoorius here are a few hundred entries |
| 20:12:16 | icefox | Woho! I want that candy bar! ...wait a sec I mean... |
| 20:12:41 | kyoorius | really? where? |
| 20:13:27 | icefox | From browsing trolltechs ftp it doesn't look like there are too many entries so far |
| 20:13:33 | icefox | Anyone given many of them a try? |
| 20:13:35 | icefox | How are they? |
| 20:13:46 | kendrick2 | runs off to lunch |
| 20:18:06 | Kopsis | icefox: Where'd you find the contest entries on the FTP site? |
| 20:18:21 | icefox | ftp://ftp.trolltech.com |
| 20:18:50 | markm | hello |
| 20:18:58 | Kopsis | I found a "contest" dir, but it's ancient stuff (1997) |
| 20:19:07 | icefox | oh |
| 20:19:22 | icefox | That is what I thought it was |
| 20:19:38 | whardier | heh |
| 20:19:39 | kyoorius | I would think that it would be better to keep the entries hidden from public view, once submitted. |
| 20:19:46 | markm | does anybody know what the charging time is on a brand new out of the box zaurus to fully charge the battery? it's been charging for 4 + hours and the light hasn't gone out |
| 20:19:48 | Shunt | wants a copy of that handheld quake |
| 20:19:56 | kyoorius | the light never goes out. |
| 20:20:00 | kyoorius | its charged already. |
| 20:20:04 | markm | no shit |
| 20:20:13 | Shunt | the light does indeed go out |
| 20:20:20 | Shunt | mine does at least. |
| 20:20:32 | whardier | yeah |
| 20:20:33 | Shunt | or you could open the konsole and type APM to check the charging status |
| 20:20:33 | kyoorius | when i first got it, i left it in the charger for 1/2 hr and then realized that the battery was not included INSIDE the unit. |
| 20:20:38 | Kopsis | Mine too, but I had to leave it overnight the first time. |
| 20:20:40 | markm | hmm the docs say it is fully charged when teh light goes out |
| 20:20:44 | Nightvisi | mine too |
| 20:20:51 | kyoorius | hrm. ive had mine in for 2 days and the light is still on. |
| 20:21:05 | icefox | depends on your rom |
| 20:21:08 | markm | hmm |
| 20:21:09 | markm | ok |
| 20:21:22 | icefox | the older roms wouldn't stop "charging" even though they were done |
| 20:21:30 | markm | well i havent even turned it on yet as I wanted to fully charge the battery |
| 20:22:11 | kyoorius | uh oh. i think i have an older rom. APM says 100% and the light is still on. |
| 20:22:13 | markm | guess i'll give it a shot and upgrade the rom |
| 20:22:32 | kyoorius | anyone have a URL on how to upgrade the rom? |
| 20:23:40 | kyoorius | if i remember, my light was flashing while charging, but is now solid. |
| 20:25:27 | Shunt | kyoorius: There's a newer rom on the developer.sharpsec.com site |
| 20:25:43 | markm | id assume being bran new out of the box it shipped with an older rom |
| 20:25:59 | markm | there is no linking sysncing software with these? is that correct? |
| 20:26:09 | markm | syncing |
| 20:26:15 | markm | linux |
| 20:26:26 | markm | its only windows2000/98? |
| 20:26:37 | Shunt | there is software available from trolltech, but it sucks... |
| 20:27:10 | Shunt | I've written some, but for some odd reason, the addressbook hates the XML I'm giving it, and I'm stumped as to why |
| 20:27:14 | markm | is there an xp version or do the 2000 drivers work with xp? |
| 20:27:36 | kyoorius | there's a posting on zauruszone.com about xp/2000 drivers. |
| 20:27:54 | sjohnson | Shunt: Create addressbook with one or two entries, save and them compare syntax to your XML file |
| 20:28:10 | markm | well when it gets commerically released there will be linux syncing software? |
| 20:28:47 | Shunt | sjohnson: Oh I've done that. My addressbook is the exact same as the one on the zaurus, but it still chokes on it. I've got to check attrs. when I get home, maybe the attributes are being messed up by ftping it up |
| 20:28:54 | markm | i'd hate to boot into win to run my calendering |
| 20:29:13 | kyoorius | someone will create it. u can be sure of that. |
| 20:29:16 | markm | yea |
| 20:29:17 | sjohnson | Shunt: File permission is a distinct possiblity |
| 20:29:24 | markm | anyway want to buy a vr3? |
| 20:29:25 | markm | haha |
| 20:29:35 | Shunt | sjohnson: I've got to check that out... I think it's probably the answer... |
| 20:29:40 | markm | time to get rid of this puppy |
| 20:29:56 | sjohnson | markm: How will you give me to take it? |
| 20:30:02 | sjohnson | ;> |
| 20:30:18 | markm | bwahah |
| 20:30:30 | markm | ebay here i come |
| 20:31:19 | kyoorius | heh. a good buddy of mine did most of the kernel porting for the vr3 |
| 20:32:04 | markm | the vr3 was cool |
| 20:32:11 | markm | until i saw the zaurus |
| 20:32:32 | Shunt | I always thought the vr3 was lacking (ram) |
| 20:32:37 | markm | but then again I havent even turned it on |
| 20:32:58 | markm | yea ---but for what it was---i paid 89 bucks for it |
| 20:33:01 | markm | which was worth it |
| 20:33:06 | markm | i wouldnt have paid 250 |
| 20:37:49 | kergoth | shit |
| 20:38:09 | kergoth | can someone here send me the latest qtopia sdk? i lost my pw to contest.trolltech.com |
| 20:38:58 | kergoth | .. |
| 20:41:02 | kergoth | wtf |
| 20:48:31 | tux_mike | kergoth: you still need it? |
| 20:48:52 | kergoth | tux_mike: yeah, i need to compare the libqte in it to the libqte built from source |
| 20:49:22 | tux_mike | do you just need libqte? |
| 20:49:38 | kergoth | yeah that'll work |
| 20:49:47 | tux_mike | ok... |
| 20:50:00 | tux_mike | let me check my version |
| 20:52:27 | tux_mike | ok, http://www.tuxnami.org/~mike/sl-5000 |
| 21:04:04 | kergoth | tux_mike: thanks man |
| 21:04:32 | tux_mike | no prob |
| 21:04:35 | kergoth | tux_mike: can you do me a another favor? do a find /opt/Qtopia -name "qconfig*h" -print for me? |
| 21:04:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:04:55 | kergoth | i cant get either qpe or opie to compile anymore. i broke something in my devel env, and i'm not sure what |
| 21:06:12 | tux_mike | k/opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig-large.h |
| 21:06:16 | tux_mike | gah |
| 21:06:33 | tux_mike | /opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig-large.h |
| 21:06:42 | tux_mike | /opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig-dist.h |
| 21:07:13 | tux_mike | /opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig-small.h |
| 21:07:21 | tux_mike | /opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig.h |
| 21:07:28 | tux_mike | /opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig-minimal.h |
| 21:07:35 | tux_mike | /opt/Qtopia/include/qconfig-medium.h |
| 21:07:41 | tux_mike | do you need the files? |
| 21:08:01 | kergoth | tux_mike: i need qconfig.h only.. mind throwing that up there also? |
| 21:08:13 | tux_mike | sure |
| 21:08:17 | kergoth | thanks |
| 21:11:30 | tux_mike | it's in the same dir |
| 21:11:41 | kergoth | tux_mike: thanks a lot |
| 21:11:43 | tux_mike | np |
| 21:16:16 | icefox | how can I upgrade the ftp server on the Zaurus to do get -R "folder" |
| 21:16:36 | kergoth | icefox: the ftp daemon on port 4242 is actually part of Qtopia itself. |
| 21:17:00 | icefox | oh, well how can I grab folders? |
| 21:18:47 | tux_mike | hrm... so.. signals and slots are all macros.... |
| 21:19:46 | icefox | hehe tar is installed |
| 21:19:57 | icefox | tar * > folders.tar |
| 21:19:58 | icefox | hehe |
| 21:26:20 | Shunt | I wonder if the C++ produced with Borland's C++ ver of kylix will compile with gcc. If you could use that to write qtopia apps, look out. |
| 21:31:29 | kendrick2 | re |
| 21:31:56 | kergoth | sup kendrick2, bzflag |
| 21:31:58 | kergoth | yawns |
| 21:32:05 | kendrick2 | returns from food |
| 21:32:11 | kendrick2 | toxic hell... i mean taco bell |
| 21:33:30 | kendrick2 | jason! |
| 21:33:41 | kergoth | hey jason |
| 21:33:41 | kendrick2 | crap - i had a few things to ask you :) |
| 21:33:49 | kergoth | didnt make it home in time for the conf call. |
| 21:33:50 | kendrick2 | how about: any eta on a new sharp rom? :) |
| 21:34:06 | kergoth | JasonNJ: mind debriefing me on the opie meeting? eheh |
| 21:34:09 | kergoth | brb |
| 21:34:22 | kendrick2 | heh |
| 21:34:38 | JasonNJ | kergoth: we have a call 4pm EST on monday to recap |
| 21:34:48 | JasonNJ | we had a little trouble with the phones |
| 21:34:53 | JasonNJ | tim was on it |
| 21:35:03 | JasonNJ | basically, we agreed to agree on things |
| 21:35:06 | kendrick2 | cool - i got some form to fill out to have someone from google come talk at lugod :) :) |
| 21:35:32 | JasonNJ | as far as OZ is concerned Trolltech and Sharp fully are in support of it as as Lineo |
| 21:35:37 | kendrick2 | now i'm really interested. :) what's all this about? |
| 21:35:54 | kendrick2 | ack! word attachment! hehehe |
| 21:36:15 | icefox | JasonNJ: get my message? |
| 21:36:31 | JasonNJ | OZ will be chosen as the reference standard linux distribution for all Embedix Plus PDA vendors |
| 21:36:59 | kendrick2 | 8^o ooh! |
| 21:37:04 | kendrick2 | wait, what does that imply? |
| 21:37:20 | icefox | tar needs some help |
| 21:37:21 | icefox | hehe |
| 21:37:27 | JasonNJ | handhelds.org's involvement is still not completely finalized |
| 21:37:37 | JasonNJ | its really in Jim Getty's corner |
| 21:37:37 | icefox | I can't tar up anything of great size without it segfaulting |
| 21:37:52 | JasonNJ | he wants us to adopt X |
| 21:38:00 | JasonNJ | and GTK |
| 21:38:03 | kendrick2 | that'd make things... easier :) |
| 21:38:11 | icefox | Adopt X and I will leave |
| 21:38:15 | kendrick2 | GTK would, imho, be useful for Dillo :) - but that's about it |
| 21:38:38 | Shunt | X and GTK are probably not the right way to go... for a consumer device |
| 21:39:09 | kendrick2 | Qt/E is a good -start- for making a well-integrated and [forgot the word: everything looks the same] interface |
| 21:39:20 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Hiya! |
| 21:39:22 | kendrick2 | pounds head til he thinks of the word |
| 21:39:25 | icefox | JasonNJ do newer versions of the ftp server allow of get -R *.bla |
| 21:39:29 | bipolar | JasonNJ: How did the meeting go? |
| 21:39:30 | kendrick2 | UNIFORM! :) |
| 21:39:40 | kergoth | k |
| 21:39:40 | icefox | JadonNJ: How are you suppost to upload your source? |
| 21:39:43 | kergoth | bipolar: scroll up |
| 21:39:44 | kergoth | eheh |
| 21:39:46 | bipolar | hehe |
| 21:39:57 | kergoth | watches opie actually compile, in awe |
| 21:40:00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 21:40:54 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Was anything said about Opie? |
| 21:41:15 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I dont like the idea of switching to X+gtk as a base, personally. I think it should remain an additional, optional component |
| 21:41:27 | kergoth | JasonNJ: though qtopia/opie definately needs to gain the ability to run on either fb of X |
| 21:41:31 | kergoth | s/of X/or X/ |
| 21:41:34 | kergoth | yawns |
| 21:43:12 | kergoth | bipolar: when my buildsystem gains the ability to build opie, i should add a 'sdk' target to build an sdk with a similar structure to TT's |
| 21:43:27 | bipolar | -nods- |
| 21:43:40 | icefox | Man I transfer 2MB and the Z Crashes |
| 21:44:18 | kergoth | icefox: hmm ive seen that behavior too. when i first tried to get the flash image off my Z i had to split it apart with dd and send it in pieces.. talk about a pita |
| 21:44:19 | kergoth | heh |
| 21:44:53 | icefox | The file I want is 152MB |
| 21:44:58 | kergoth | shudders |
| 21:45:01 | kergoth | heheh |
| 21:45:16 | icefox | It is on my ibm hard drive. |
| 21:45:38 | kergoth | hm |
| 21:45:49 | kergoth | bipolar: for the packages i'm building for you, what should i define SUBVERSION to? |
| 21:46:07 | bipolar | kergoth: beta4 |
| 21:46:13 | kergoth | k |
| 21:48:33 | kendrick2 | ljp? |
| 21:48:47 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here.... Really.... |
| 21:51:07 | Neo|Work | and now theme selection works. rock. :P |
| 21:51:26 | kendrick2 | neo? |
| 21:51:50 | Neo|Work | yes? |
| 21:52:03 | Neo|Work | graphics themes in my game if that's what you wondered |
| 21:52:16 | JasonNJ | kergoth someone built openssh 3.0 |
| 21:52:29 | JasonNJ | he said he couldnt upload it to zauruszone |
| 21:52:29 | kergoth | JasonNJ: I saw that, very nice |
| 21:52:33 | kergoth | oh |
| 21:52:34 | kergoth | nm |
| 21:52:35 | JasonNJ | yeah contact him |
| 21:52:35 | kendrick2 | cool - what game again? |
| 21:52:38 | kergoth | k |
| 21:52:39 | icefox | Does anyone know if the ftp server has been improved sense December? |
| 21:52:44 | JasonNJ | I told him to give me his sourceforge account |
| 21:52:50 | JasonNJ | add pierre's VNC server to OZ |
| 21:52:54 | icefox | JasonNJ: Did you get my new build of Kinkatta-lite? |
| 21:52:57 | kergoth | JasonNJ: was planning on it |
| 21:53:02 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: question for you, the contest email mentioned an SDK update on monday. I assume it's not required to use that one? |
| 21:53:03 | JasonNJ | ice I just got back from teh show |
| 21:53:07 | JasonNJ | havent tried it yet |
| 21:53:08 | icefox | It is on kinkatta.sourceforge.net if you need it |
| 21:53:23 | JasonNJ | new not requrired but recommended |
| 21:54:04 | Neo|Work | JasonNJ: ok. Is the deadline Monday evening... timezone...? don't want to miss submission :-) |
| 21:54:12 | Neo|Work | kend-busy: Eligo |
| 21:54:17 | JasonNJ | check contest.trolltech.com |
| 21:54:59 | Neo|Work | Says the date, but I can't see any time references.. |
| 21:55:20 | Kopsis | TT's last contest email said 02/03/02 23:59:59 EST (GMT -5) |
| 21:55:41 | kend-busy | sucks to be a european - hahahah |
| 21:55:55 | kend-busy | oh wait, no... sorry.. they get 5 EXTRA hours i guess :) damn! |
| 21:56:32 | Neo|Work | ahh, rules. ...received no later than 11:59 p.m. ET on January 14 [postponed: February 3rd], 2002 |
| 21:57:22 | Neo|Work | so it's actually Sunday at 9pm pacific, which means that the new SDK released on the 4th can't be used for the beta submission. |
| 21:57:30 | icefox | JasonNJ: How should the src be submitted? |
| 21:57:54 | Shunt | Does the SDK document file formats and permissions? |
| 22:01:45 | JasonNJ | tarball? |
| 22:06:58 | icefox | I submited a ipk, should I re-submit a tar with src and ipk? |
| 22:13:15 | JasonNJ | yeah thats cool |
| 22:14:26 | JasonNJ | this show was INSANE |
| 22:14:40 | sjohnson | JasonNJ: Hi. How so? |
| 22:14:55 | icefox | JasonNJ: was your comment to mine? |
| 22:15:02 | JasonNJ | http://news.com.com/2100-1040-827546.html?tag=cd_mh |
| 22:15:19 | JasonNJ | yes submit as sourcetarball plus ipk binary |
| 22:15:23 | JasonNJ | that will cover both bases |
| 22:15:54 | JasonNJ | nonstop insanity at the sharp booth |
| 22:15:59 | JasonNJ | lots and lots of people |
| 22:16:09 | JasonNJ | every VIP in Linux bought a Zaurus |
| 22:16:14 | sjohnson | Ah. Yes, I read about that. I was wonder how bad it was. |
| 22:16:16 | icefox | More fun then ces? |
| 22:16:23 | JasonNJ | you name it, they bought it |
| 22:16:40 | JasonNJ | miguel de icaza bought a zaurus |
| 22:16:50 | JasonNJ | he wants to write the evolution sync |
| 22:16:54 | Mallory | Yeah, your booth was packed |
| 22:16:57 | JasonNJ | probalby doing it right this minute |
| 22:17:06 | icefox | JasonNJ: hmm might have been fun to go |
| 22:17:29 | JasonNJ | java one will be even more insane |
| 22:17:41 | JasonNJ | every attendee of java one has the ability to opt in and buy a zaurus |
| 22:17:50 | JasonNJ | sun wants to sell 5,000 of them to attendees |
| 22:18:00 | JasonNJ | and wants to make the worlds largest 802.11 WLAN |
| 22:18:12 | JasonNJ | with zauruses and wireless cards |
| 22:18:26 | icefox | That is cool |
| 22:19:21 | JasonNJ | ice: do you think AOL will go after tik/tok clients like kinkatta next like they just did to trillian |
| 22:19:53 | icefox | no |
| 22:19:59 | icefox | Trillian was using oscar |
| 22:20:06 | icefox | the closed source protocal |
| 22:20:15 | icefox | Kinkatta uses TOC |
| 22:20:20 | icefox | the open source protocal |
| 22:20:32 | icefox | But it can't hurt to have relations with AOL just to be safe |
| 22:20:34 | JasonNJ | but didnt they withdraw the source from yhe web site |
| 22:20:47 | icefox | For TIK? |
| 22:20:53 | JasonNJ | TOC |
| 22:21:08 | icefox | TIK is the open source aol unix client |
| 22:21:11 | icefox | it runs TOC |
| 22:21:15 | JasonNJ | ah |
| 22:21:24 | JasonNJ | ok |
| 22:21:39 | JasonNJ | because steve petix is concerned if we bundle kinkatta with the unit AOL will sue us |
| 22:21:47 | sjohnson | I should try TIK. I've got an ol AOL account I keep for emergencies |
| 22:21:57 | icefox | I would love to contact aol, but every time I have tried I can't get anywhere but aol's tech support |
| 22:22:11 | whardier | JasonNJ |
| 22:22:27 | whardier | hiu babycakes |
| 22:22:37 | icefox | JasonNJ: if you are worried then contact aol, be safe. Heck I can even give you the e-mail to there lawyers office if you would like |
| 22:23:00 | JasonNJ | hiya eskimo F##$er |
| 22:23:34 | JasonNJ | ice: we are talking to AOL on various levels, even talked about the possiblity of them doing a client |
| 22:23:39 | JasonNJ | but they want a LOT of money for it. |
| 22:23:59 | JasonNJ | it would significantly drive up the price of the device |
| 22:24:37 | whardier | Ima eskimo F##$er? |
| 22:25:28 | sjohnson | WTF? Gnome to be based on .NET?!?!!? |
| 22:25:36 | kergoth | sjohnson: ?? |
| 22:25:36 | icefox | hehe yah kde for me |
| 22:25:46 | kergoth | ive always stuck with kde |
| 22:25:47 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:26:08 | sjohnson | http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html |
| 22:27:11 | JasonNJ | I expect Ximian to come out with Zaurus apps |
| 22:29:16 | kergoth | shit. my opie/openzaurus/buildsystem directories are 996 megs |
| 22:29:20 | kergoth | lol |
| 22:31:43 | kergoth | whew. the opie undefined references problem is fixed, now if only my crosscompiled glibc would build properly i'd be quite happy |
| 22:34:46 | kergoth | .. |
| 22:34:53 | kergoth | back to glibc hell |
| 22:34:54 | kergoth | wish me luck |
| 22:39:33 | kyoorius | hey. just realized something.. |
| 22:39:50 | kyoorius | if I go into terminal (from the pda), run sshd, then type exit, it locks up. |
| 22:40:02 | kyoorius | and i am unable to start any more terminals. |
| 22:40:06 | kyoorius | anyone experience this? |
| 22:40:32 | kyoorius | i can launch other apps, just not terminal again. |
| 22:44:07 | kend-busy | shit - jason left :( |
| 22:54:16 | | I haven't seen 'warwick', kergoth |
| 22:54:16 | kergoth | ibot: seen warwick? |
| 22:54:27 | kendrick2 | ooh - a new bot, eh? |
| 22:54:38 | kergoth | yeh |
| 22:57:29 | | jasonnj was last seen on #zaurus 30 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: I expect Ximian to come out with Zaurus apps [Fri Feb 1 22:27:11 2002] |
| 22:57:29 | kergoth | ibot: seen jasonnj? |
| 23:02:51 | kyoorius_ | hrm.. i need to add some tasty flavor to the back end of my stylus. |
| 23:04:55 | kyoorius_ | can anyone tell me what rom version is 2.4.6-rmk1-np2-embed ? |
| 23:06:56 | sjohnson | kyoorius_: That' the linux kernel version that is being used in the all of the current rom's |
| 23:07:30 | kyoorius | I went here to find out my version: http://more.sbc.co.jp/slj/download/readme/readme_fromimage.asp#version_check |
| 23:07:52 | kyoorius | however my current rom version does not display the version # in the information box. |
| 23:08:04 | kergoth | kyoorius: in your sysinfo tab, under version, on the bottom, you should see a ROM Version: field. if not, you have the rom version prior to 1.02, iirc |
| 23:08:26 | kyoorius | ya. doesnt list anything under there. |
| 23:08:30 | kyoorius | i think i have a prior ver. |
| 23:08:33 | kergoth | as far as I know anyway. kyoorius: where'd you get your Z? |
| 23:08:46 | kyoorius | @ the linux world expo wednesday. |
| 23:08:57 | kergoth | hm. i thought they were preloading those with jan28 roms |
| 23:09:14 | kergoth | kyoorius: what applications are on your applications tab? |
| 23:09:17 | kyoorius | is the rom = kernel image? |
| 23:09:20 | kergoth | no |
| 23:09:25 | kyoorius | can i go in there and find out a build date? |
| 23:09:30 | kergoth | no |
| 23:09:40 | kyoorius | bleh. |
| 23:09:43 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:09:46 | kergoth | what apps do you have? |
| 23:09:53 | kergoth | i can give you an approximation based on what youve got |
| 23:09:54 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:10:10 | kyoorius | what does the old one NOT come with? |
| 23:10:28 | kyoorius | as far as games goes: asteroids, go, mindbreaker, mine hunt |
| 23:10:33 | kyoorius | patience, snake, tictac, tux, wordgame |
| 23:10:45 | kergoth | the hancom applications, voice recorder |
| 23:10:47 | kergoth | are in the new sharp roms |
| 23:10:51 | kyoorius | dont have that. |
| 23:10:52 | kergoth | among other things |
| 23:10:57 | kergoth | then you likely have an old version |
| 23:11:04 | kyoorius | is off to update |
| 23:11:10 | kergoth | i'd recommend the 1.02 rom if you use java, or openzaurus beta 2.6 if you dont |
| 23:11:27 | kyoorius | also, the ver i have doesnt sync with the latest qt desktop |
| 23:11:28 | whardier | finally reverse dns for the island |
| 23:11:38 | kergoth | whardier: congrats |
| 23:11:56 | whardier | heh |
| 23:12:13 | whardier | 9.54 megs of bandwidth going out on the cable system |
| 23:12:15 | kergoth | kyoorius: if you want to sync with qtopiadesktop you'll need openzaurus or wait for hte upcoming sharp rom |
| 23:12:17 | whardier | to the homes |
| 23:12:20 | whardier | to bad it is shared |
| 23:12:25 | kergoth | no kidding |
| 23:12:25 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:12:29 | whardier | and so is the 256k up |
| 23:12:38 | whardier | I think I might wanna order in more CMTS's |
| 23:12:58 | kyoorius | kerth: mine syncs with the qtdesktop it came with, but not the latest one off the web. |
| 23:13:09 | kergoth | kyoorius: like i said :-) |
| 23:13:14 | kyoorius | actually, i don't really care about synching anymore now that I have sshd and samba running on it. |
| 23:13:14 | kyoorius | heh. |
| 23:13:22 | kergoth | hehe. know how ya feel there |
| 23:13:40 | kergoth | scp is your friend |
| 23:13:45 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:14:07 | kyoorius | samba isnt so bad either, except that it wont write to the /mnt/cf |
| 23:14:32 | kergoth | kyoorius: wonder why.. perhaps it doesnt follow symlinks |
| 23:15:02 | Night_Vis | where di you get samba from? |
| 23:15:17 | kyoorius | zauruszone.com somewhere. |
| 23:15:29 | Night_Vis | I can get one to work |
| 23:15:35 | kyoorius | lots off good stuff here too: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=39939&release_id=72984 |
| 23:15:40 | Night_Vis | keep saying something went wring |
| 23:15:42 | whardier | rsync -e ssh is your friend |
| 23:15:43 | whardier | :) |
| 23:16:01 | kergoth | hah. that too :-) |
| 23:16:06 | kergoth | ahaha |
| 23:16:09 | sjohnson | is away: nick sj_away |
| 23:16:13 | kergoth | my homedir on geezer is 1.5 gigs |
| 23:16:14 | kergoth | wtf |
| 23:16:18 | kergoth | does a bit of cleanup |
| 23:16:44 | whardier | time to get dhcp classes to work |
| 23:16:56 | kyoorius | hey kergoth: regarding samba: i could not write to /mnt/cf/*, but i just created a symlink from /mnt/cf -> /home/cf and i CAN write to that. |
| 23:16:56 | whardier | kergoth.. hahaha.. don't make me kill you |
| 23:17:12 | kergoth | kyoorius: odd |
| 23:17:43 | kergoth | whardier: hehe. its the build directory for the buildsystem.. it has the source to nearly every application thats in openzaurus.. glibc, fileutils, findutils, the kenrle, etc.. its about 950 megs |
| 23:17:52 | kergoth | brb |
| 23:18:34 | whardier | wow |
| 23:18:37 | whardier | its all good |
| 23:18:41 | whardier | it should have room |
| 23:21:22 | kyoorius | hrm. .odd.. with samba I can copy small files to the cardflash partition , but not nothing over roughly 150K |
| 23:21:41 | scanline | is back (gone 04:38:19) |
| 23:23:28 | kergoth | kyoorius: the large file transfer problems occur regardless of which means you're using to transfer them, for the most part |
| 23:24:09 | kyoorius | j copied the rom image over with scp, no problems. |
| 23:24:22 | kyoorius | repeatedly w/ samba it says that i do not have permission |
| 23:24:38 | kyoorius | i can copy to the onboard rom no problem - but not to the cardflash. |
| 23:24:47 | kyoorius | err onboard ram |
| 23:25:11 | kyoorius | i would have been nice to drag + drop mp3's.. |
| 23:26:13 | kergoth | kyoorius: we'll have to look at the code of a number of applications to solve large file transfer issues, particularly with memory consumption in mind |
| 23:29:03 | kergoth | TimRiker: how goes it? |
| 23:32:18 | kyoorius | hey, is vfat = FAT16? |
| 23:32:26 | kergoth | vfat = fat32 |
| 23:32:43 | kyoorius | i just "mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/hda1" |
| 23:32:52 | kyoorius | and upon mounting it lists as a vfat |
| 23:33:17 | kergoth | kyoorius: it may be forcinga mount as vfat with -t. i dont recall |
| 23:33:25 | kergoth | s/forcinga /forcing a/ |
| 23:40:19 | kyoorius | bleh. scp isn't copying the rom over properly either. |
| 23:40:43 | kyoorius | this is bad |
| 23:41:01 | kyoorius | i have to get a 12MB image onto the cardflash and i dont have a reader/writer. |
| 23:41:26 | kergoth | kyoorius: have fun. heh. i warned you, large file copying can be a bitch with the Z. |
| 23:41:33 | whardier | oww |
| 23:41:34 | kyoorius | hrm. maybe the qtdesktop app will do it.. |
| 23:41:37 | whardier | my * hurts |
| 23:41:45 | kergoth | kyoorius: thats what i was gonna suggest.. try that software |
| 23:41:54 | kergoth | whardier: heh. wtf did you do? |
| 23:43:12 | kyoorius | isn't there some high port # that has ftp on it? |
| 23:44:43 | kergoth | kyoorius: port 4242 |
| 23:45:17 | whardier | kergoth: well.. it was pretty dumb |
| 23:45:21 | whardier | we were bored |
| 23:45:25 | whardier | we had a baseball bat |
| 23:45:30 | whardier | a small room |
| 23:45:33 | whardier | and a bouncy ball |
| 23:45:37 | whardier | and three bored guys |
| 23:45:39 | kergoth | lol.. |
| 23:45:45 | whardier | so we played extreme baseball |
| 23:45:52 | whardier | and broke a few things |
| 23:45:58 | whardier | bouncy balls are cool |
| 23:46:11 | whardier | it like hit the room 20x times before we could even see it |
| 23:46:16 | kergoth | i firmly believe people get in more trouble and break more laws out of boredom than anything else. |
| 23:46:21 | kergoth | hah |
| 23:48:15 | whardier | hehe |