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01:08:09ljphelloooooo.....
22:02:24kergoth`workBZFlag: I'm going to checkin the buildsystem.. dont try to use it though, just fix up the kernel source in sources/dl/linux :-)
22:02:47kergoth`workBZFlag: i'll let you know when its in
22:03:08BZFlagkergoth`work: ok.
22:04:25tux_mikefixes the borked cursor interface
22:04:46BZFlagsf is down
22:05:32kergoth`workhah
22:05:33kergoth`workwonderful
22:05:42tux_mikegreat.
22:05:53BZFlagweb sites etc are up, dev areas are down.
22:06:00tux_mikeah
22:06:03tux_mikegreat
22:06:15bipolaris away: going away...
22:06:56tux_mikeok... this should fix it.
22:07:24BigBossis away since 2:13:48 PM - automagically set away after 10 min idling. Msglog [ON]
22:19:45whardierkergoth you overwrote the valid wlan-ng config files :(
22:20:13kergoth`workwhardier: errr i did?
22:20:20kergoth`workwhardier: i dont remember doing that
22:20:21kergoth`workwhardier: heh
22:21:12kergoth`workwhardier: create an ipk that replaces them if you want.. bugfix for oz beta 2.5-2, otherwise beta 3 is going to be created from scratch. no rsyncing, nothing from old rootfs
22:24:43brettlooks like we're running pcmcia-cs 3.1.22
22:26:35brettkernel drivers though
22:27:05kergoth`workhrm whats the most often used syntax to diff to create a recursive patch?
22:31:46sakhaok, how do i save a damn file under qt/e qpe programatically
22:32:31sakhai changed the scribble prog. to make it doc centric, using file selector dialog, and it fails saying :Categories::labels didn't find app Document View
22:32:37sakhawhatdoido
22:34:22kergoth`workhm how do i delete a directory from a cvs repository, recursively?
22:34:51MalloryYou don't, CVS keeps them around in the repository
22:35:21Malloryhttp://www.loria.fr/~molli/cvs/doc/cvs_7.html#SEC63
22:35:39kergoth`workk, how do I get rid of all the files in a given directory, recursively?
22:35:43kergoth`workneed i cvs delete them one by one?
22:36:00Malloryfor i in `find ...`; do rm $i; cvs remove $i; done
22:36:03MalloryThen commit your changes.
22:36:15Mallory(In bash, of course, your shell may differ)
22:36:22kergoth`workk, figured it might come to that
22:36:23kergoth`workthanks
22:36:40MalloryNo problem.  that URL is the bomb.  If you want to really learn CVS download it and read it. :)
22:38:18kergoth`workMallory: will do :-)
22:38:53sakhahello, ne 1 around know how to save a file in qpe?
22:38:54brettIt's really nice to have local access to the repository.  It's handy to be able to delete the stuff that way sometimes.
22:39:01sakhai simply cant do it
22:40:55kergoth`workwtf
22:41:05kergoth`worki cant delete files
22:41:10kergoth`workbecause it says administration files are missing
22:41:13kergoth`workon the repository
22:41:47kergoth`work"cvs remove: in directory buildroot-oz/buildroot-oz/configs:" "cvs [remove aborted]: *PANIC*: administration files missing"
22:42:13kergoth`workblah
22:42:22kergoth`workthere are files there, but no CVS/*
22:42:28kergoth`workso i cant remove them from the repository
22:42:29kergoth`workfun fun
22:45:11kergoth`workMallory: that find.. i forgot to grep -v CVS on it.. so i ended up deleting cvs admin files prior to deleting the files in that dir.. so i've got files i cant delete at all now. lol
22:50:55MalloryWierd
22:51:01MalloryThat means the CVSROOT directory is not there
22:51:08MallorySo it looks.
22:51:26kergoth`workcvsroot is there, but the CVS/ dir in the directory in which i was deleting files has nothing in it
22:51:32MalloryThe repository has ",v" files, no CVS subdirectory.  the CVS subdirectory is only there for working copies.
22:51:34kergoth`workthe Repository, Entries, and Root files are gone
22:51:37Mallorythe ,v files are RCS files.
22:51:48MalloryOh, hmm
22:51:58MalloryI'd go into another directory and checkout a fresh copy.
22:52:06kergoth`worki did
22:52:10MalloryRe-do your changes.  It sounds like you removed the CVS directory by mistake. :(
22:52:27kergoth`worknot the dir, but all the files in it.. only did that in a few directories
22:52:38kergoth`workbut in those directories, i cant delete the files now because CVS/Entries is gone
22:52:39kergoth`workargh
22:52:46kergoth`workwishes he had local access to his repository on sf
22:54:36brettcross compiling is not fun.
22:55:04kergoth`workbrett: no kidding.. I produced configuration files to crosscompile like 15 packages.. was hell.
22:55:12whardierlalala
22:55:22brettI'm working on getting wlan-cs to compile right now...
22:55:27bretter, wlan-ng
22:55:51kergoth`workbrett: let me know what configure and make commands you end up running to get them to cross compile sanely, I can add that to my OZ buildsystem
22:56:04brettwill do
22:56:18whardierthe wlan-ng.* in /etc/pcmcia wwere fucked
22:56:21brettThe thing has a config script.  I'll just send you a copy of mine.
22:56:24whardiermore on this at 9
22:58:14kergoth`workwhew
22:58:19kergoth`workcvs cleaned up
22:58:23brettw00t
22:58:41kergoth`workBZFlag: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.openzaurus.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/openzaurus co buildroot-oz
22:59:10kergoth`workBZFlag: sources/linux-2.4.6-rmk1-np2-mtdflash.patch.gz . apply it to a clean sharp kernel source
22:59:11BZFlagdid you add timriker to the project?
22:59:16kergoth`workis sf back up?
22:59:23BZFlagdoubt it
22:59:27kergoth`workthen no :-)
23:00:17BZFlagMakefile.in?
23:00:47kergoth`workI told you I changed the system some :-)
23:00:49kergoth`workheh
23:01:01kergoth`workits still not where I want it to be, but I like it the way it is in this buildroot
23:01:21kergoth`workdo a 'make showpackages'
23:01:30BZFlagjust that you have both a Makefile and a Makefile.in
23:01:42kergoth`workyeah I know, i need to change a few things
23:01:44kergoth`workheh
23:03:00BZFlagglibc get's unpacked under dl?
23:03:22kergoth`workthere, i fixed that
23:03:32kergoth`workyeah I changed the paths a bit
23:03:41kergoth`workeverything that is downloaded extracts under dl, iirc
23:03:43BZFlagI don't like the builds under dl
23:03:53kergoth`workfeel free to move them, its a minor thing
23:04:26BZFlagheh, well once I have write I may. ;-)
23:04:31kergoth`workhehe
23:04:37kergoth`workI will fix that when i can
23:04:55BZFlaggotta start with kernel, then do glibc
23:05:12BZFlagglibc should not be reading anything from /usr/include/*
23:05:33kergoth`workyeah the crosscompilation on most of the packages is incorrect
23:05:44BZFlagnor should anything else for that matter...
23:05:44kergoth`workI was working to tweak the system, wasnt focused on improving specific compiles
23:07:03BZFlagso where are the package lists read from?
23:07:15kergoth`workconfigs/
23:07:30kergoth`workglibc, grep arent done the way i want them to
23:07:37kergoth`worktake a look at ncurses.mk & nano.mk
23:07:44whardierjust xmessage spammed a mailserver
23:07:47whardiererr
23:07:49whardiera workstation
23:07:50whardierheh
23:07:56whardiersomebody made fun of me
23:07:59whardierthey had xhost +
23:08:04whardierthey died
23:08:07kergoth`workit does a wildcard match on .mk's in config/, ignores anything anywhere else.. so disabling a package is a matter of moving the .mk into config/disabled . heh
23:08:13BZFlagso I need a kernel.mk?
23:08:13kergoth`workhah
23:08:22kergoth`workprecisely
23:08:41BZFlagwat determines build order?
23:08:46kergoth`workoptimally, we should use some sort of template for it similar to the way I handled ncurses & nano
23:08:56kergoth`workDepends: in the .mk files that use the template
23:09:10kergoth`workit just drops that as a prerequisite for the build target
23:09:31kergoth`worknote Depends: ncurses in nano.mk
23:09:39kergoth`workresults in ncurses.mk being built first
23:10:15kergoth`workI wanted the system more modular. I started to notice that the .mk files were starting to look like configuration files for a package manager, which is what led me to pursue the debian source package system as a possible tool in the ultimate build system
23:10:45kergoth`workyou can create the .mk like glibc & grep if you want.. that was my first attempt to seperate packages from the main makefile
23:10:51kergoth`workor you can use a template
23:11:44BZFlagok
23:11:55kergoth`workthe make packagename_[clean|distcleean|etc] targets dont work for templated .mk's yet
23:14:57BZFlagbuildroot-oz/buildroot-oz ?
23:15:02kergoth`worklol
23:15:11kergoth`workyeah i screwed that one up. all the dirs in there are empty
23:15:20kergoth`worknext time do a cvs co -P buildroot-oz
23:15:21kergoth`work:-)
23:15:38kergoth`workgrumbles about not having local access to his repository on sf
23:15:39kendrick2re
23:15:43kergoth`workhey bill
23:15:44kergoth`workhow goes it
23:15:45kergoth`work?
23:15:56kendrick2workin' hard (for once :) )
23:16:59kergoth`workah.. not me.. i'm at work doing nothing. :-)
23:17:49kergoth`workBZFlag: I should create a template for pulling down a package from cvs.
23:18:14BZFlagby date
23:18:24kergoth`workyup
23:18:52kergoth`workreally I'd like to split out package downloading into various 'methods' ala apt, which could then be used in whatever template..
23:19:10BZFlagagreed
23:20:50kergoth`workshould also have package output methods.. one to just install into a rootfs, one to install into a tmpdir and create an ipk/dpkg/whatever package from it
23:21:15BZFlagmk.in is not very clear. One assumes that automake will create a .mk out if it.
23:21:20BZFlaggnu.mk.in
23:21:38kergoth`workindeed. that was a hack at the time anyway. wasnt planning on keeping it as long as i have
23:21:43BZFlagk
23:21:51kergoth`worknote that ncurses & nano dont use it :-)
23:21:52BZFlagjust giving comments as they occur to me
23:21:57kergoth`workcool, i appreciate it
23:22:41BZFlagso how does nano get sources?
23:22:56kergoth`workuses wget
23:23:12kergoth`workwell really it uses whatever I did in config/templates/gnu, which i think was wget
23:23:17BZFlagon what file? only one constructed from version name?
23:23:39kergoth`workyeah currently it grabs one file based on version name..
23:23:53BZFlagonly one source and only one patch?
23:23:55kergoth`workwhich is why i'm only using that template for the gnu stuff
23:24:11BZFlagand no bzip support?
23:24:22whardieranybody know how to tell where the x cursor is?
23:24:39BZFlagwhardier: turn on the cursor and look at the screen?
23:24:46whardierhaha
23:24:48whardierno shit
23:24:53kergoth`workyeah currently the patch is one.. its a simple matter to add a for loop through all the patches supplied in Patches: directive in the primary .mk file
23:24:54BZFlagcracks up
23:24:57whardierhow about using the X11R6 protocal right up the ol port
23:25:23kergoth`workBZFlag: understandably, my next task is to split off extraction, obtain, and output into seperate methods
23:25:24BZFlagkergoth`work: I'd suggest that there be multiple sources and patches are just sources.
23:25:43BZFlagthen use file type or similar to determine what to do with it.
23:25:55kergoth`workhmm
23:25:58kergoth`workyeah
23:26:21kergoth`worklike I said, I'll create the various methods, then we'll determine extraction method based on file type, output and input methods based on directives in the .mk
23:26:21BZFlagthen tar, diff, logo, etc can all be sources.
23:26:25kergoth`workyeah
23:26:28BZFlagcool.
23:26:37whardierloves the 2.5-2 rom
23:26:44BZFlaglooks like I have to do the old method in order to build.
23:26:44whardierexcept for the whole non working wlan-ng stuff
23:26:53whardierbecause someboy is a silly head
23:26:56brettw00t I got it to build
23:27:00kergoth`workBZFlag: indeed, I warned you :-)
23:27:01kergoth`workhehe
23:27:16lazzy_8Where can I find info about making a *.ipkg
23:27:19kergoth`workBZFlag: its quite incomplete
23:27:24kergoth`worklazzy_8: search google for 'ipkg'
23:27:26kergoth`workah nm
23:27:27kergoth`workheh
23:27:45kergoth`workwhardier: and a few of the games are broken.. binary incompatible w/ that qpelib
23:27:48kergoth`workwhardier: hehe
23:27:53kergoth`workwhardier: I was planning a bugfix release shortly
23:28:04kergoth`workwhardier: but got distracted by mtd/jffs2 stuff and revamping the buildsystem
23:28:17BZFlagthe old method has no way to do depends?
23:28:23brettFrom the wlan-ng compile: #warning "CONFIG_NETLINK not enabled, not compiling sniffing/indication code"
23:28:29whardierwell
23:28:41whardiermake sure you steal all the wlan-ng confs from /etc/pcmia
23:28:41brettThink we should enable netlink?
23:28:44whardierfrom the 2 rom
23:28:50kergoth`workBZFlag: just add the prerequisite packagename_install rule to the prerequisites for the configuration rule in the old method
23:29:22kergoth`workBZFlag: i.e. $(packagename_config): $(packagename_dirname) $(prerequisite_install) , iirc
23:29:52kergoth`workwhardier: yeah
23:30:17BZFlagnothing depends on glibc at present?
23:30:43kergoth`workBZFlag: it doesnt? probably cuz I was trying to get the crosscompilation to proceed without a hitch
23:30:50kergoth`workBZFlag: of glibc i mean
23:30:51kergoth`workheh
23:31:30kergoth`workBZFlag: feel free to fix anything you want, we can check them in when i'm able to add you to the project
23:31:34kergoth`workheh
23:32:09kergoth`workI think I'll add seperate 'methods' for various aspects of a package build to the system next.
23:32:26kergoth`workwonder if they should be Makefiles or independent scripts/code
23:32:28kergoth`workhm
23:32:52kergoth`workbah I'll do them as Makefiles until I hit a point where it isnt flexible enough, then I'll rewrite if need be
23:32:57kergoth`workyawns
23:35:14brettok, both pcmcia-cs 3.1.31 and wlan-ng 0.1.13-pre1 compile.
23:35:32brettls
23:35:35brettcrap
23:36:07BZFlagkergoth: one script with the various methods as functions might be interesting.
23:36:25BZFlagie: . the script, then call the function.
23:37:00kergoth`workhmmm that would be interesting
23:37:51whardierI was at one point looking at some really cool xmove software
23:37:53kergoth`workBZFlag: do we have one extract function in this script, and have IT analyze the file to figure out what to do with it, or do we analyze the file in the makefile, and then call the function?
23:37:55whardierit was cool
23:38:07whardierI even got some non gpl code from a TV station that was using X duplication servers
23:38:19BZFlagkergoth: in the script would be easier.
23:38:33kergoth`workBZFlag: thats what i thought also, figured id see what ya thought tho
23:38:42BZFlaghmmm...
23:38:53BZFlagthough that assumes the script can determine what to do.
23:39:00kergoth`workyep
23:39:01BZFlagnot always possible.
23:39:20kergoth`workwhen we add a method to the script, we'd have to add the ability to analyse the file.
23:39:30BZFlagie: imagine x builds or broken patches that need to be applied down in the tree someplace.
23:39:36kergoth`workhmmm
23:39:57kergoth`workhow should we handle it? pass a default method to handle a given file in the case where it cant figure it out?
23:40:05kergoth`workhm
23:40:50BZFlagwell, it would be nice to have the _source[x] option be the only requirement, and then have a _source[x]_prep method that is optional. thoughts?
23:41:27BZFlagif there are no _preps then the script should be able to determine what to do with the source.
23:41:33kergoth`workhmmm
23:41:56kergoth`workthat may work.. are the prep methods created in the makefile and called there? where do they reside?
23:42:22kergoth`workor are the prep methods a part of the script itself?
23:42:26BZFlagin the .mk, yeah.
23:42:29kergoth`workk
23:42:54kergoth`workthat makes sense, then there's a means of overriding the extraction method script
23:43:01BZFlagright
23:45:33kergoth`workso we've got source obtain, source extraction, configuration (possibly optional, depending on source), compilation, and output/installation. do we create a method script for each?
23:45:53kergoth`workor should we leave conf & compilation wholly in the hands of a .mk or a template?
23:46:16kergoth`worki'm thinking latter, personally, but i dunno
23:46:29kergoth`works/latter/the latter/
23:46:32kergoth`workblah however thats spelled
23:46:35kergoth`workhey sj
23:46:53sjohnsonkergoth`work: HI
23:47:53BZFlaghmm.
23:48:46BZFlagthere should be make targets for sources, source tree, binary, and installed binary.
23:49:10BZFlagif sources don't exist... then obtain
23:49:24BZFlagif source tree does not exist then extract
23:49:44BZFlagif binary does not exist then build (configure is here as far as I can tell)
23:50:00BZFlagif installed binary does not exist then install
23:50:12BZFlagwith date checks on each.
23:50:40kergoth`workagreed. so each target also has corresponding methods that may or may not be used in method scripts, in order to ease the process and reduce code duplication, right?
23:51:03BZFlagobtain/extract are per source, build/install is per package.
23:51:27BZFlagyep, sounds good.
23:52:23BZFlagall methods should have good defaults for the normal wget, tar/patch, configure/make, make install.
23:52:43kergoth`workcertainly.
23:53:48kergoth`worksf is back, i'll add you to the project
23:54:07fileanybody wanna see what I did when I was bored?
23:54:28kergoth`workI think itd be nifty to have a Feed, ala ipk/dpkg for the source packages in the buildsystem.
23:54:31kergoth`workfile: sure
23:54:35filehttp://users.staticky.com/joshnet/drives.jpg
23:55:04kergoth`workfile: all the way to Z eh? :-)
23:55:09BZFlagsf is back
23:55:12filekergoth: yes
23:55:18BZFlagoh, you noticed. ;-)
23:55:20kergoth`workhehe
23:55:21kergoth`workyup
23:55:26fileit took me 10 minutes to get Windows to work without crashing on boot
23:55:49BZFlagkergoth: yes, a source feed is a requirement imho.
23:56:04BZFlagit can just populate the configs directory though, no?
23:56:28kergoth`workBZFlag: certainly
23:57:14kergoth`workBZFlag: we'll have to have a sharp_sl5000d_image.mk, and openzaurus.mk, and other root level task-like mks so it'll be more generally useful for all our projects. of course.
23:57:51kergoth`workBZFlag: you're added
23:58:12kergoth`workhmm, how does one go about getting a cvslogs mailing list on sf, ala qpe-cvslogs?
23:59:55lazzy_8Hello

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