| 16:46:31 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Bigger, better models? |
| 16:46:35 | bipolar | woot! |
| 16:46:37 | JasonNJ | yep. |
| 16:46:41 | bipolar | Hi ibot! |
| 16:46:41 | JasonNJ | and possible OEMs. |
| 16:46:54 | JasonNJ | an OEM may decide to give it more flash. |
| 16:47:07 | bipolar | JasonNJ: that would be awesome.... |
| 16:47:14 | bipolar | Tangent: greetings! |
| 16:47:14 | | :) |
| 16:47:14 | Tangent | ibot: botsnack |
| 16:47:26 | Tangent | bipolar : All set up and working now :) |
| 16:47:32 | bipolar | Tangent: thank you for ibot! :) |
| 16:47:46 | JasonNJ | kergoth: we should probably start building 5500 kernels for OZ |
| 16:47:48 | | it has been said that opie is at opie.handhelds.org |
| 16:47:48 | bipolar | ibot: opie? |
| 16:47:52 | Tangent | bipolar : No problem |
| 16:48:01 | JasonNJ | and distribute OZ in two peices instead of a ROM image |
| 16:48:09 | JasonNJ | kernel and rootfs |
| 16:48:19 | kergoth | JasonNJ: hmmm yeah that'd probably be best |
| 16:48:37 | peanut | JasonNJ: does your 55 have the final rom on it? |
| 16:48:42 | JasonNJ | nope. |
| 16:48:51 | JasonNJ | same rom as the developer ROM we are going to release. |
| 16:49:03 | JasonNJ | just tweaked kernel for heap/filesystem differences |
| 16:49:05 | bipolar | JasonNJ: do you think that production Z's will use Jffs2? |
| 16:49:13 | JasonNJ | bi: doubtful. |
| 16:49:21 | bipolar | K |
| 16:49:24 | JasonNJ | not in this release |
| 16:49:42 | bipolar | JasonNJ: well, at least we can chose. :) |
| 16:50:04 | JasonNJ | thats whats going to set apart OZ from the Sharp ROM |
| 16:50:13 | bipolar | JasonNJ: right. |
| 16:50:21 | JasonNJ | its kind of dangerous to give the average end user JFFS2. |
| 16:50:35 | JasonNJ | until we can put some kind of controls in place, its way too easy for them to trash their unit. |
| 16:50:37 | peanut | JasonNJ: ands that why you want the kernel and rootfs separated.. |
| 16:50:44 | bipolar | JasonNJ: is OZ going to use the apps from sharp or Opie? |
| 16:50:53 | peanut | get some of the oz benefits with the sharp release software :) |
| 16:51:06 | JasonNJ | OZ will have apps from Opie and probably TheKompany.com |
| 16:51:14 | bipolar | JasonNJ: awesome. |
| 16:51:30 | bipolar | has *got* to find out how to add CVS users! |
| 16:51:30 | JasonNJ | kergoth I would like you to make some docs on that copy protection thing for me. |
| 16:51:55 | sjohnson | bipolar: On SourceForge? |
| 16:51:56 | kergoth | JasonNJ: will do. |
| 16:52:02 | bipolar | sjohnson: no. on hh.org |
| 16:52:04 | JasonNJ | so I can explain to Opera and Insignia that if they donate apps to the project, they dont have to worry about users running them on ipaqs. |
| 16:52:16 | JasonNJ | cause Sharp owners should be allowed to use the apps. |
| 16:52:22 | kergoth | JasonNJ: speaking of which, I suppose I should make the changes necessary to make that work. |
| 16:52:29 | kergoth | JasonNJ: heheh :-) |
| 16:52:32 | kergoth | ah yeah. |
| 16:52:42 | bipolar | sjohnson: Opie is hosted on hh.org. There is an Opie module in the CVS tree there. |
| 16:52:54 | JasonNJ | actually they can anyway, but we cant distribute packages unless they wont run on an ipaq |
| 16:53:27 | Tangent | Does the CF slot on the Zaurus accept typeII cards? |
| 16:53:36 | JasonNJ | yes |
| 16:53:37 | sjohnson | Tangent: Yes it does. |
| 16:53:39 | bipolar | JasonNJ: wait a min.... How are we going to do that? |
| 16:53:40 | JasonNJ | it can take microdrives |
| 16:53:56 | Tangent | Hrm... if only I didn't already have an iPAQ, I'd buy one |
| 16:53:57 | JasonNJ | bipolar: OZ is separate from Opie |
| 16:54:03 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I see... |
| 16:54:05 | JasonNJ | OZ will have commercial closed source apps in it. |
| 16:54:11 | Tangent | is bored with iPAQ now |
| 16:54:12 | JasonNJ | in addtiion to opie |
| 16:54:37 | bipolar | JasonNJ: Do they get money from sharp for them? |
| 16:55:04 | JasonNJ | bipolar: no, but sharp paid Opera and Insignia for their use on the Zaurus. |
| 16:55:20 | JasonNJ | so all we need to do is make OZ packages that wont run on a ipaq. |
| 16:55:38 | JasonNJ | basically kergoth is putting an entry into /dev that the apps will look for |
| 16:55:46 | JasonNJ | that is kernel dependent |
| 16:56:03 | JasonNJ | the apps will just fail to start if they dont see that. |
| 16:56:16 | peanut | then couldn't someone reproduce that on an ipaq? |
| 16:56:21 | bipolar | JasonNJ: ok. I was just thinking about what they would be losing by letting all opie users use them. No one is going to be selling a PDA with Opie on it anyway. |
| 16:56:30 | JasonNJ | once we have that I can go to any of Sharp's partners and they can contribute their software to OZ. |
| 16:56:45 | kergoth | /proc actually :-) I'm tempted to make it do more than just look at it. |
| 16:57:08 | JasonNJ | well, the objective is to have an environment that hardware manufacturers can sell. |
| 16:57:14 | kergoth | peanut: it could be reproduced yes, anything we do can conceivably be worked around, we just want to make it so difficult that most wont bother |
| 16:57:14 | JasonNJ | on their PDA's |
| 16:57:29 | JasonNJ | they can still use Opie but they would likely license qtopia from TT. |
| 16:57:41 | JasonNJ | actually, I think they have to. |
| 17:00:34 | Tangent | runs away... back to my dull hotel room for another night with my laptop to amuse me. |
| 17:03:03 | peanut | argh.... |
| 17:03:08 | peanut | needs another cradle!!!! |
| 17:06:05 | JasonNJ | yeah wait until the 5500 cradle is released. |
| 17:06:13 | JasonNJ | it works with the 5000. |
| 17:07:06 | JasonNJ | its got a nice plastic guard on it that prevents you from accidentally breaking the sync connecto |
| 17:07:17 | JasonNJ | you can only slide it in and out one way |
| 17:07:55 | JasonNJ | the 5000 can sync in a 5500 cradle but not the other way around. |
| 17:08:13 | JasonNJ | so we are discontinuing the 5000 cradle going forward |
| 17:08:50 | peanut | sweet!!! |
| 17:09:05 | peanut | more importantly though.. when will i be able to get another cradle? |
| 17:09:11 | peanut | (and power supply) |
| 17:09:24 | peanut | i realize that you probably can't answer this.. |
| 17:09:27 | JasonNJ | well, one thing you might want to do is call the support number for defects |
| 17:09:33 | JasonNJ | and see if they will sell you another one |
| 17:09:37 | Mallory | Jason: Does that mean there will be surplus 5000 cradles available to be bought? :) |
| 17:09:46 | JasonNJ | mallory probably not |
| 17:09:55 | JasonNJ | I dont think they produced that many extras |
| 17:10:03 | bipolar | JasonNJ: when will I be able to get a 5500? |
| 17:10:05 | Mallory | probably not, but it would be so nice to have a spare |
| 17:10:21 | JasonNJ | bipolar: february/march |
| 17:10:34 | bipolar | I'll start saving.... |
| 17:10:51 | JasonNJ | man this java palm doc reader is great. |
| 17:10:56 | JasonNJ | have you guys used it yet? |
| 17:11:46 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I guess that OZ/Opie should include pyQT/e to replace java. |
| 17:13:56 | msmax[test] | bigboss here testing jabber on the Z |
| 17:14:10 | bipolar | msmax[test]: yay! |
| 17:14:43 | bipolar | msmax[test]: how much is that app going to cost? :) |
| 17:15:33 | msmax[test] | for you? |
| 17:15:42 | msmax[test] | free on OZ |
| 17:15:48 | bipolar | msmax[test]: cool |
| 17:15:56 | msmax[test] | 20 in real life |
| 17:16:19 | sjohnson_away | is away: off to lunch |
| 17:16:25 | bipolar | msmax[test]: we were just talking about the OZ/donated app thing. |
| 17:16:51 | bipolar | msmax[test]: that app sounds cool to me. :) |
| 17:16:58 | msmax[test] | care to summarize for me? |
| 17:17:42 | sakha123 | i might be able to get my hands on a Z, my company might juz buy one for my group :)) |
| 17:18:26 | bipolar | msmax[test]: I was just being stuid again... :) I'm trying to understand where the depenancy is. JasonNJ was saying that it is going to be kernel level. I thought it was going to depend on Opie, so that it would run on the iPaq if it has Opie on it as well. |
| 17:18:48 | bipolar | It's not my decision to make though, so I don't really care. :) |
| 17:19:16 | sakha123 | im gonna throw out an email to my group, asking them for ideas for any apps that they can think of which could be good for internal use,and also they might be good for everyone in general |
| 17:19:36 | bipolar | hell, I'll fork over $20 if the app is useful to me. :) |
| 17:20:08 | msmax[test] | jabber is good |
| 17:20:30 | msmax[test] | i think you will really like this |
| 17:20:58 | msmax[test] | kergoth: any news for 3.0? |
| 17:21:34 | sakha123 | msmax: i was thinking of doing a jabber app, i guess i dont need to do it anymore :( |
| 17:23:29 | kergoth | well, I'm uploading the OZ build system to cvs today so that Tim Riker can fix the mtd partitioning / jffs2 stuff on the kernel I'm using |
| 17:23:37 | bipolar | msmax[test]: so, where is the dependany for Kompany apps going to be? |
| 17:23:55 | kergoth | bipolar: it will depend on OZ.. specifically, the OZ kernel. |
| 17:25:26 | bipolar | kergoth: a /proc interface? :) |
| 17:25:35 | kergoth | bipolar: most likely. |
| 17:25:51 | kergoth | bipolar: either that or an actual conversation of sorts via a device |
| 17:26:15 | bipolar | kergoth: A /proc interface would be pretty easy to hack into the iPaq's kernel. |
| 17:26:30 | kergoth | bipolar: anything I do could be easily hacked into the ipaq |
| 17:26:43 | kergoth | bipolar: I'm just trying to make it difficult enough that most wont bother |
| 17:26:43 | bipolar | kergoth: is that OK with everyone? |
| 17:27:28 | msmax[test] | if people start trying to hack our stuff then we will just pull it |
| 17:27:52 | msmax[test] | this is meant to be cooperative. not hostile |
| 17:28:26 | kergoth | msmax[test]: indeed. the same individuals who try to hack this would be the individuals who would purchase the apps and then distribute them. a relatively small portion of the population. |
| 17:29:08 | msmax[test] | ive found that if people buy software they are less likely to give it away |
| 17:30:39 | bipolar | msmax[test]: so you guys don't want the software donated to OZ to be run on the iPaq my any means, right? |
| 17:34:54 | bipolar | is away: BBL.... lunch w/ the boss. |
| 17:35:05 | msmax[test] | right |
| 17:35:33 | bipolar_lunch | msmax[test]: ok. I'll keep that in mind and look out for your intrests. :) |
| 17:35:50 | msmax[test] | thanks |
| 17:36:25 | bipolar_lunch | msmax[test]: And I'll buy a copy of your jabber app if I get a wireless net link. ;) |
| 17:36:29 | bipolar_lunch | bbl |
| 17:36:31 | Mallory | So Opie is a fork of qpe, essentially? |
| 17:36:44 | kergoth | Mallory: yes. |
| 17:36:45 | Mallory | What different direction is it taking? |
| 17:36:56 | Mallory | (ie, why the fork) |
| 17:37:31 | kergoth | Most of the goals with opie are discussed on opie.handhelds.org. the goals are primarily things we didnt see happening w/ qtopia. |
| 17:37:40 | kergoth | iirc. havent been to the site in a bit |
| 17:38:14 | Mallory | Yeah, all the goals on that site except "Fully open development model with public CVS" look to me like the same goals of QTE. |
| 17:38:31 | Mallory | So then I could download opie and use it in place of qpe if building qpe is giving me trouble? |
| 17:38:44 | Mallory | (Never done any Qt coding, but want to start playing) |
| 17:39:25 | kergoth | Mallory: there have been a number of qtopia components developed and licensed by companies that have not been released open source, which was a cause for concern. |
| 17:39:41 | kergoth | Mallory: opie will be binary compatible with qpe |
| 17:40:15 | JasonNJ | as to whether OPIE uses the same PIM as QPE is under discussion though |
| 17:40:26 | kergoth | so it doesnt matter which you build against really from an app development standpoint |
| 17:40:28 | JasonNJ | and the sync framework will be completely open source when it is ready. |
| 17:42:16 | msmax[test] | we are looking at porting aethera to the Z |
| 17:43:39 | Mallory | Okay, thanks for the info. |
| 18:14:00 | Hellaenergy | Whats new? |
| 18:18:19 | Hellaenergy | I discovered this new mirror app for the z. All you have to do is hold down Cancel and wallah. |
| 18:26:11 | Mallory | Heh, my girlfriend used to use that on my old Palm all the time |
| 18:36:20 | bipolar | is back (gone 01:01:25) |
| 18:38:00 | bipolar | JasonNJ: I have a script that converts KAB exports into addressbooks xml format. :) |
| 18:38:20 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:22:02) |
| 18:50:10 | bipolar | kergoth: have you tried to upload the CVS changes yet? |
| 18:54:56 | bipolar | Does anyone have any apps they want in Opie's CVS right now? |
| 18:58:06 | peanut | JasonNJ: are we still looking good for the end of the week rom release? |
| 19:10:43 | peanut | is anyone using hancom (either embedded or not)? |
| 19:11:59 | bugfixer | bipolar: Does J. Conrad have his stash program in there? |
| 19:12:16 | bugfixer | bipolar: That looks like it will be a promissing app |
| 19:13:04 | bipolar | bugfixer: nope. Right now it's just a Qtopia mirror. |
| 19:13:46 | bugfixer | bipolar: You should contact him, maybe through zuaruszone, and ask him. |
| 19:14:06 | bugfixer | bipolar: He is on this list sometimes. |
| 19:14:19 | bipolar | bugfixer: I'll be posting msgs to all the lists as soon as CVS and the Website is ready. |
| 19:14:39 | bugfixer | bipolar: kool |
| 19:15:15 | Hellaenergy_away | what is opies web address again? |
| 19:15:38 | bugfixer | Hellaenergy_away: How is the cf reader working? |
| 19:16:10 | Hellaenergy | Great Thanks |
| 19:16:37 | bugfixer | Hellaenergy: I just got mine today, haven't even taken it out of the box yet |
| 19:17:13 | Hellaenergy | I had to get mine my CF card got currupt. Now I am happy I got it, though. |
| 19:17:32 | Hellaenergy | FInally I can use linux soley |
| 19:17:43 | bugfixer | Yip |
| 19:18:29 | Hellaenergy | I have never seen the web through my Z. Thank makes Hella sad :( |
| 19:18:35 | Hellaenergy | That |
| 19:20:02 | Hellaenergy | I really wish USB to Ethernet worked with OZ |
| 19:20:21 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: it does, i use it regularly. |
| 19:21:15 | Hellaenergy | Well what the hell have I been doing wrong |
| 19:21:32 | Hellaenergy | I patched the 2.4.17 kernel and everything |
| 19:22:12 | kergoth | thats your problem. I never did get the CDCEther in 2.4.17 to work. |
| 19:22:28 | Hellaenergy | Well what Kernel are you using? |
| 19:22:45 | kergoth | I stole the CDCEther.c & .h from 2.4.16, overwrote the ones in the 2.4.17 tree, and patched them and compiled them. |
| 19:22:48 | kergoth | I'm using 2.4.17 |
| 19:23:31 | Hellaenergy | I shall take notes Sir Kergoth :) |
| 19:23:31 | peanut | uses 2.4.17 with cdcether |
| 19:24:06 | kergoth | peanut: really? odd. I could never get a ping response wehn I used the stock 2.4.17 cdcether + patch |
| 19:24:08 | kergoth | hm |
| 19:24:25 | peanut | has it working with 2.4.17 on his laptop and his desktop |
| 19:24:40 | peanut | sometimes the pings are a little slow, but they always come through (and syncing works nicely) |
| 19:24:51 | kergoth | interesting. |
| 19:24:57 | kergoth | oh well |
| 19:24:59 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:25:02 | peanut | is the Z on before you load CDCEther |
| 19:25:12 | kergoth | of course |
| 19:25:14 | peanut | AND before you connect it to the USB port? |
| 19:25:25 | kergoth | I did everything correctly, but there were no ping replies. when I rebuild from 2.4.16, works flawless. |
| 19:25:29 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:25:34 | Hellaenergy | Using then docing staion I pressed the sync button and did an ifconfig and saw it. I changed the ip address of my host to 192.168.1.200 and pinged it fine |
| 19:25:44 | peanut | DON |
| 19:25:48 | peanut | DO NOT PRESS SYNC! |
| 19:25:49 | peanut | EVER |
| 19:25:51 | kergoth | yawns |
| 19:25:55 | Hellaenergy | I just couln't ftp to it |
| 19:25:59 | kergoth | sync temporarily disconnects the usb bus |
| 19:26:03 | kergoth | er interface |
| 19:26:19 | peanut | i can never get it to reonnect properly on 2.4.17 if I press sync |
| 19:26:25 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: that makes NO sense |
| 19:26:32 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: if you can ping, you shoudl be able to ftp |
| 19:26:33 | Hellaenergy | oH |
| 19:26:45 | peanut | i'm hookinh up my Z now.. |
| 19:26:46 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: unless you changed the Z's ip to something other than 192.168.1.201 |
| 19:26:47 | Hellaenergy | I couldn't I swear look at peanuts comment |
| 19:27:02 | peanut | Hellaenergy: did you make sure to copy the new module over the old one? |
| 19:27:11 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: his comment has nothing to do with ftp vs ping, it has to do with ANY connectivity at all |
| 19:27:13 | peanut | well you must have if you gave it an ip.. never mind.. |
| 19:27:26 | Hellaenergy | I guess huh |
| 19:27:42 | Hellaenergy | The Z had the default ip |
| 19:27:51 | peanut | did you run ifconfig on the Z to confirm? |
| 19:27:58 | Hellaenergy | yes |
| 19:27:58 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: on the Z, run "ftp localhost 4242" |
| 19:28:03 | kergoth | Hellaenergy bah nevermind |
| 19:28:06 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: that wont work |
| 19:28:07 | kergoth | heh |
| 19:28:09 | kergoth | yawns |
| 19:28:11 | kergoth | hmm |
| 19:28:16 | Hellaenergy | that is how I set the device to have the 200 address |
| 19:28:20 | Hellaenergy | 201 |
| 19:28:21 | peanut | kergoth`: localhost does not equal 192.168.1.x |
| 19:28:29 | peanut | hehe |
| 19:28:40 | kergoth | peanut: i know that. which is why I quickly said nevermind, as I forgot it only listens on 192.168.1.201 :-) |
| 19:28:49 | peanut | i know.. |
| 19:29:05 | peanut | downloaded stock 2.4.17, applied the patch (got some offsets) |
| 19:29:14 | peanut | then make modules (then make modules_install) |
| 19:29:23 | Hellaenergy | I was doing ftp://root@192.168.1.201:4242 using Mozilla |
| 19:29:27 | kergoth | peanut: nice. Ill have to try that again |
| 19:29:34 | kergoth | Hellaenergy: try using a REAL ftp client |
| 19:29:41 | kergoth | afk. food. |
| 19:29:43 | Hellaenergy | peanut thats what I did too |
| 19:30:12 | Hellaenergy | gftp? |
| 19:30:15 | peanut | then, turn the Z on in the cradle and plug the cable into the pc, then load cdcether |
| 19:30:39 | Hellaenergy | How do I load CDCEther again? |
| 19:30:47 | peanut | you shouldn't have to.. |
| 19:30:54 | peanut | it should load automatically and give you something like |
| 19:30:59 | Hellaenergy | Thats what I thought (USB) |
| 19:31:03 | peanut | CDCEther.c: eth2: Sharp SL Series 40:00:02:00:00:01 |
| 19:32:56 | Hellaenergy | Will I be able to connect to the internet from my z then? |
| 19:33:00 | peanut | No.. |
| 19:33:06 | Hellaenergy | Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:33:27 | peanut | you would need to follow the additional directions to either setup masquerading/forwarding OR use a proxy server |
| 19:33:34 | peanut | the only think this does is ethernet over usb |
| 19:33:50 | peanut | you will still need to follow the directions on your PC to bind eth (2 in my case) to 192.168.1.200 |
| 19:33:57 | peanut | i.e. ifconfig eth2 192.168.1.200 |
| 19:34:07 | peanut | in order to "ping" the Z at 201 |
| 19:34:49 | peanut | ahh.. thats the part you forgot eh? |
| 19:35:51 | peanut | has it running just to use qtopiadesktop on linux so I can sync |
| 19:35:56 | peanut | has 80211 for the Z |
| 19:36:07 | peanut | prefers that over cradle'd network access |
| 19:39:13 | peanut | though qtopiadesktop is buggy |
| 19:40:52 | peanut | the icons don't always appear |
| 19:41:13 | peanut | (if you run qtopiadesktop from the path) |
| 19:41:28 | peanut | i have a script, cd /usr/qtopiadesktop; ./bin/qtopiadesktop |
| 19:41:35 | peanut | that seems to always get it working right.. |
| 19:43:17 | Error403 | Tangent: lol |
| 19:43:19 | Error403 | err |
| 19:45:21 | peanut | is done talking for now.. |
| 19:48:22 | peanut | all i want to know is when does the new rom come out? |
| 19:50:52 | Hellaenergy | I can get qtopiadesktop to run just not syc |
| 19:51:31 | peanut | wait.. |
| 19:51:40 | peanut | you can ping the Z ? |
| 19:51:59 | peanut | what steps do you take to bring the Z online? (you're not doing ppp over usb are you?) |
| 19:52:08 | Hellaenergy | I will mess with it when I get back to the crib where my cradle is ;) |
| 19:52:12 | peanut | i.e. usbcontrol on the Z |
| 19:52:14 | Hellaenergy | peanut: no |
| 19:52:22 | peanut | it *should* work then.. |
| 19:52:41 | peanut | should being the operative word.. |
| 19:52:46 | Hellaenergy | Sounds like it and I got close but ftp did not work so I gave up |
| 19:53:11 | peanut | how about a firewall? |
| 19:53:18 | peanut | are you running iptables/chains on your linux box? |
| 19:53:24 | peanut | it shouldn't matter.. |
| 19:53:43 | Hellaenergy | aaahhhh yaaaa......... |
| 19:53:54 | Hellaenergy | :) |
| 19:54:20 | peanut | is looking at the bluetooth stuff now.. |
| 19:54:31 | peanut | damn.. maybe i should have gotten a bluetooth (instead of IR) phone |
| 19:54:39 | Hellaenergy | transparenttooth |
| 19:55:55 | Hellaenergy | sniff sniff |
| 19:57:58 | peanut | wait.. mmc == sd yes? |
| 19:59:31 | whardier | hi |
| 19:59:43 | peanut | damn..they're expensive |
| 19:59:48 | peanut | hi whardier |
| 20:00:16 | bipolar | whardier: hiya! |
| 20:01:17 | peanut | whats the best price people are seeing for mmc/sd cards? |
| 20:01:37 | peanut | i read somewhere that people were having problems using sd/cf at the same time |
| 20:02:00 | peanut | is that resolved yet? (i thought it was being addressed in an oz release) |
| 20:03:01 | peanut | yawns.. |
| 20:03:19 | peanut | my 192 mb cf == a 64mb sd basically |
| 20:03:44 | peanut | i guess a 64mb sd would make a nice "home" |
| 20:05:01 | peanut | what about overlays? |
| 20:05:18 | peanut | is sharp going to sell ones that fit? |
| 20:25:18 | sakha | kergoth: finally i managed to compile qpe successfully, although when i try to run it it gives error msg: Cant drive depth 32 |
| 20:25:44 | sakha | kergoth: how do i change that, is the a paramter to qpe to say depth = 8 or 16? |
| 20:26:27 | sakha | kergoth: or do i have to rebuild qpe with depth 8,16? |
| 20:26:37 | Error403 | sakha: Qt/E needs to be compiled with a '-depth 16' parameter |
| 20:27:00 | sakha | oh ok, so i need to rebuild qt/e |
| 20:27:03 | Error403 | yes |
| 20:27:04 | sakha | will do that thx |
| 20:27:35 | Error403 | sakha: You also need to tell QVFB that you are running at 16bit |
| 20:27:41 | Error403 | and not 32 |
| 20:27:55 | sakha | and how do i tell that to qvfb? |
| 20:28:15 | Error403 | go into the preferences :) |
| 20:28:37 | sakha | ok gotcha |
| 20:29:06 | altered | or qvfb -depth 16 |
| 20:29:11 | Error403 | yeah, that too |
| 20:29:24 | BZFlag | kergoth: progresss on buildroot? remember to add timriker to oz. |
| 20:29:45 | sakha | ya, i did that, but i have to rebuild qt/e now, so does qpe pick the depth from the qt/e? |
| 20:29:49 | kergoth | BZFlag: yup I know. I got distracted and wrote a script to rip apart a sharp romimage and generate ipks for everything |
| 20:29:52 | Error403 | is away |
| 20:31:08 | BZFlag | cool |
| 20:34:19 | sakha | Error403: do i also have to rebuild qpe,after i rebuild qt/e? |
| 20:59:26 | Hellaenergy | kergoth: can I have a copy? |
| 21:09:06 | bipolar | is away: on the phone... |
| 21:12:47 | mandrake | okay this is making no sense... |
| 21:13:05 | mandrake | so, I finally have documents on my qtopia emulator desktop somewhere |
| 21:13:11 | mandrake | and they show up with the appropriate icon |
| 21:13:20 | mandrake | but then it tells me that there's no handler ofr that mimetype |
| 21:13:28 | mandrake | now, call me crazy, but it even gives me the appropriate ICON |
| 21:13:41 | mandrake | that just seems a bit odd |
| 21:14:17 | mandrake | also the emulator doesn't want my file to have a name :) |
| 21:18:23 | mandrake | oh figured out the filename thing :) |
| 21:20:34 | mandrake | yay |
| 21:20:36 | mandrake | okay nevermind |
| 21:23:25 | sakha | KVIrc 2.1.1 'Monolith' by Szymon Stefanek |
| 21:23:41 | sakha | uses KVIrc 2.1.1 'Monolith' by Szymon Stefanek |
| 21:27:44 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:18:39) |
| 21:43:00 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 21:43:06 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:00:01) |
| 21:48:43 | Hellaenergy | What is a good icon editor for linux |
| 21:50:53 | altered | KIconEdit? |
| 21:58:13 | msmax[test] | l |
| 22:35:02 | kendrick2 | re |
| 22:37:27 | bipolar | is away: Not here... |
| 22:49:37 | Hellaenergy | Why is it that multiple instances of the same documnet show up in the Documents tab? |
| 22:56:23 | kergoth | grumbles |
| 22:56:31 | kergoth | still not done with this stupid rom_to_ipk script |
| 22:58:05 | msmax[test] | 6ou know the software installer on the Z needs a serious rewrite. it is just aweful |
| 22:58:06 | kergoth | but once I am, I can upload the buildsystem to cvs and have it actually generate a romimage (though not all from source..) |
| 22:58:19 | kergoth | msmax[test]: the gui one? yes it does |
| 23:02:03 | kendrick2 | hey msmax |
| 23:06:22 | msmax[test] | its shawn |
| 23:06:34 | msmax[test] | you can tell by my english |
| 23:06:55 | msmax[test] | max has the user hard coded in the client right now |
| 23:14:07 | kendrick2 | heheheh |
| 23:23:34 | sakha | kergoth/all: i get a core dump now when i try to run qpe |
| 23:24:14 | sakha | it is giving messages like : Unable to open /root/Settings/Categories.xml |
| 23:24:34 | sakha | and also : QImage::smoothScale: Image is a null image |
| 23:24:34 | sakha | QPixmap::convertFromImage: Cannot convert a null image |
| 23:25:25 | sakha | pls help |
| 23:25:26 | kergoth | sakha: sounds like you dont have the pixmaps it needs in $QPEDIR/pics |
| 23:25:42 | sakha | i juz copied them from the qpe/pics dir |
| 23:26:14 | kergoth | did you try running it from $QPEDIR/bin, just after compiling it? rather than moving it to somewhere else? |
| 23:26:34 | sakha | hmm lemme try that |
| 23:26:44 | kergoth | k, let me know how it goes |
| 23:27:42 | sakha | kergoth: it gives a core dump saying cant drive depth 32 |
| 23:28:12 | kergoth | sakha: what depths did you build into qt/e? |
| 23:28:34 | sakha | im really mad now, i juz built qt/e with 8,16 the default depths |
| 23:28:42 | kendrick2 | runs off to do work |
| 23:29:09 | kergoth | I'd recommend building qt/e with 16,32 personally, as thats what is used on the zaurus (32 is needed for the alpha channels) |
| 23:29:16 | sakha | got it now, i had to set qvfb to 16 bits |
| 23:29:21 | kergoth | its failing because its trying to display qpe using 32 bits |
| 23:29:34 | kergoth | yawns |
| 23:29:39 | sakha | sorry 4 the trouble, itz working now, lemme try some apps |
| 23:29:55 | sakha | sakha is sorry to trouble ye all |
| 23:31:42 | sakha | wow this is amazing, iv been waiting to do this for a long time, i have not tried writing any apps yet for qt/e |
| 23:31:49 | sakha | will try something |
| 23:32:03 | sakha | now only if i can get an idea for a cool app |
| 23:32:33 | sakha | maybe opie should have a wishlist of proj. that ppl think would be cool or nice to have apps |
| 23:41:43 | kergoth | sakha: agreed. though an app for the Z doesnt necessarily need to be part of opie. |
| 23:41:45 | kergoth | :-) |
| 23:43:26 | sakha | kergoth: agreed, im juz saying that, so that the Z becomes more useful to ppl in general |
| 23:47:15 | kergoth | hm. qtopia/opie needs to save your current input method and pull it up by default when it restarts. |
| 23:47:27 | kergoth | keeps reverting to handwriting and pissing me off |