| 00:00.05 | Ragestorm | The descriptions don't even begin to match up apart from that! |
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| 00:01.55 | Adys__ | Where the hell am I connected from? |
| 00:02.36 | foxlit | Adys__@gitmo.mil |
| 00:03.12 | Adys__ | wtf |
| 00:03.29 | Adys | ah there |
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| 00:04.16 | Bagginsww | its not my fault blizzard tries to turn everything into mobs :p |
| 00:05.03 | Ragestorm | As you just pointed out, you've no evidence that they did turn them into mobs |
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| 00:05.41 | Bagginsww | they made elemental spirit mobs, thats all the evidence I have... |
| 00:05.51 | Bagginsww | if they are the same or not I don't know |
| 00:06.00 | Bagginsww | make a speculation section at the bottom if you like |
| 00:06.05 | Bagginsww | debating your theory |
| 00:06.18 | Ragestorm | It sounds to me like you are the one with the theory |
| 00:06.33 | Bagginsww | I'm trying to be neutral about this as possible |
| 00:06.50 | Bagginsww | I can only stick with the fact that htey were called elemental spirits |
| 00:07.05 | Ragestorm | Right, so that's the real root of the problem |
| 00:07.18 | Ragestorm | If I'd named the page something different, we wouldn't be in this mess. |
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| 00:07.29 | FullDolphinX | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Warcraft_3_Human_Beginning_a.JPG This image is unused, and at an angle that is not ment to be seen in WoW, so I was going to mark it for deletion when I saw that it was the only contrib of a user who no longer exists. He was moved to WoWWiki-KKRP, so how can this be? Is it the Wikia user who replaced him? |
| 00:07.49 | Bagginsww | which is why I said it isn't my problem, Blizzard developed it |
| 00:08.18 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, the problem with with us |
| 00:08.55 | Ragestorm | The page is called elemental spirits because that's the best description of these beings that came along. |
| 00:09.22 | Ragestorm | Then more creatures that can be described as such come along, so they are naturally added. |
| 00:09.29 | Bagginsww | sure its a description, and its not a proper noun, like any race name. |
| 00:10.01 | pcj | wtf database lock |
| 00:10.08 | Ragestorm | Yeah, it's not a racename either. |
| 00:10.09 | Bagginsww | but ya I suggest you go and take it up with Metzen |
| 00:10.31 | Ragestorm | <bangs head against the wall> |
| 00:10.47 | Ragestorm | This isn't a Blizzard problem, this is a WoWWiki problem! |
| 00:11.22 | Bagginsww | sure we do not know if its a race name or only a description "yet", but knowing blizzard I wouldn't be surprised if we got some kind of article entitled that and giving a background... :p |
| 00:11.41 | Bagginsww | it is a blizzard problem because that is the terminology they have been using in various sources |
| 00:11.52 | Bagginsww | evne if it is only a description |
| 00:11.53 | Ragestorm | BAGGINSWW, I'M THE ONE WHO TITLED THE ARTICLE THAT! |
| 00:12.24 | Ragestorm | I didn't use any Blizzard source, other than that they're "Spirits" and that they are of the elements. |
| 00:13.06 | Ragestorm | It was a descriptive term, like "demonic eredar" was before man'ari was assigned, |
| 00:13.09 | Bagginsww | so you assumed yet there have been sources using that terminology for who knows how long |
| 00:13.18 | Ragestorm | ? |
| 00:13.30 | Bagginsww | although you can be egotistical and assume Blizzard copied Wowwiki :p |
| 00:13.42 | Ragestorm | No, I assumed that the title would either be adequate or changed to reflect new sources |
| 00:14.06 | Ragestorm | And the day Blizzard copies us, I'll be flying to visit you from Pig Airport |
| 00:14.12 | Ragestorm | :D |
| 00:14.19 | Bagginsww | hah hah |
| 00:14.29 | Bagginsww | I hope they don't LOL |
| 00:14.53 | Ragestorm | Yeah, I've ridden on one of those things. They're filthy creatures. |
| 00:15.01 | Bagginsww | but ya the novels don't use elemental spirits, they switch it spirits of the elements |
| 00:15.12 | Ragestorm | Or just "the elements" or somesuch. |
| 00:15.14 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 00:15.15 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 00:15.25 | Bagginsww | well all the sources use the The spirits, or the elements |
| 00:15.34 | Bagginsww | those are probably the more common |
| 00:15.40 | Ragestorm | Right so we apparently agree on this. |
| 00:15.57 | Ragestorm | Now, let's gently push forward and we can find where the problem starts. |
| 00:16.22 | Ragestorm | If anybody wants the chatroom, now's a good time to speak up, we're gonna be here a while |
| 00:16.29 | Bagginsww | well as it is elemental spirit has been used to define possible 2-3 seperate things |
| 00:16.43 | Ragestorm | 1) the five shamany ones |
| 00:16.51 | Ragestorm | 2) the Fury things in Outland |
| 00:17.12 | Bagginsww | which are shaman spirits but we won't get into that :p |
| 00:17.32 | Ragestorm | My argument for them is that they have names and are corporeal. |
| 00:17.56 | Ragestorm | They seem to be higher-power elementals. |
| 00:18.31 | Bagginsww | Watesoon is confusing, it seems to be higher than the furies, it come sin visions |
| 00:18.46 | Bagginsww | and gives permission... |
| 00:18.54 | Ragestorm | The Wilds ones aren't elementals, they're the elements themselves. |
| 00:19.19 | Bagginsww | funny that the elementals are called the elements at times too :p |
| 00:19.25 | Bagginsww | so that doens't really help :p |
| 00:19.54 | Bagginsww | I've seen elementals get described as the elements, spirits, elemental spirits, spirits of the elemets, etc :p |
| 00:20.22 | Bagginsww | this is one reason I fault blizzard |
| 00:20.50 | Ragestorm | Even so, there's a fundamental difference in the way the Wilds ones are described and the ones that are in-game |
| 00:21.02 | Ragestorm | the aforementioned names and the aforementioned bodies. |
| 00:21.21 | Bagginsww | Well I'd say it would be fair to make a spirits of the wild article |
| 00:21.21 | Ragestorm | Thrall wasn't lifted into the air by an elemental, he just rose. |
| 00:21.53 | Ragestorm | Fine with me <wonders why that wasn't considered when I suggested it hours ago> |
| 00:21.53 | Bagginsww | I mean elementals have their own article too |
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| 00:22.13 | Bagginsww | well I"m still using elemental spirits as a catchal , :p |
| 00:22.15 | Ragestorm | Keep elemental spirits the way it is (to your editing satisfaction, of course) |
| 00:22.46 | Ragestorm | And then an editorial at the end of the Spirits of the wilds article |
| 00:22.47 | Bagginsww | but at least spirits of the wild is the closest to a defining term as we have :p |
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| 00:22.58 | Ragestorm | Sadly, I must concur |
| 00:23.11 | Bagginsww | and if Blizzard screws up later, well its not our problem |
| 00:23.17 | Ragestorm | The only other option is Elemental Spirits (Shaman) |
| 00:23.26 | Bagginsww | which is a problem |
| 00:23.30 | Ragestorm | Yeah |
| 00:23.33 | Bagginsww | since the other elemental spirits are used by shaman |
| 00:23.46 | Ragestorm | I REALLY want to know how Zuluhed kept his powers |
| 00:24.02 | Ragestorm | Incidentally, read Unbroken |
| 00:24.04 | Bagginsww | the ones earthen ring and shaman fight in stonetalon mountains and other parts of kalimdor are related to shaman quests |
| 00:24.11 | Bagginsww | btw did you ever do the shaman quests? |
| 00:24.21 | Ragestorm | nope |
| 00:24.22 | Bagginsww | its speaks of the Spirit of the Wind, etc |
| 00:24.29 | Bagginsww | but they become corporeal |
| 00:24.33 | Bagginsww | for you to fight them |
| 00:24.44 | Dotted | outlands |
| 00:24.48 | Bagginsww | once you defeat them you gain their powers |
| 00:24.51 | Bagginsww | or totems |
| 00:24.56 | Bagginsww | this is the early level quests |
| 00:25.01 | Bagginsww | starting in Durotar |
| 00:25.29 | Ragestorm | Sounds like an in-game justification of the trials of the shaman |
| 00:25.40 | Ragestorm | Thrall just talked to them, not very exciting for a quest. |
| 00:25.41 | Bagginsww | yep but they built quest story around them :p |
| 00:26.01 | Bagginsww | I loath when game mechanics and story mix, but what can you do? |
| 00:27.31 | Ragestorm | Which reminds me. |
| 00:27.45 | Ragestorm | LotC explicitly states "Spirit of the Air" |
| 00:27.58 | Bagginsww | and Spirit of Air :p |
| 00:28.05 | Bagginsww | ya I noticed that both were used |
| 00:28.09 | Ragestorm | Unbroken and Blizzard promotional materials say Spirit of the Wind |
| 00:28.30 | Bagginsww | needs an AKA comment |
| 00:29.04 | Bagginsww | ingame I think they speak of both Spirits of the Air and Spirits of the Wind :p |
| 00:29.35 | Ragestorm | Yep, AKA notice |
| 00:30.39 | Ragestorm | Editing question, not really important |
| 00:30.44 | Ragestorm | is Known types in WoW |
| 00:30.56 | Ragestorm | a needed section? most of those are dead links |
| 00:31.58 | Bagginsww | well we are supposed to have a focus on Wow :p |
| 00:32.12 | Bagginsww | and mob articles are made... |
| 00:32.38 | Bagginsww | dotted what's your template again? |
| 00:32.54 | Ragestorm | Actually we are "WoWWiki the free Warcraft universe info source anyone can edit" |
| 00:32.54 | Dotted | huh? |
| 00:33.18 | Bagginsww | maybe i'm mixing you up with someone else |
| 00:33.25 | Dotted | aye |
| 00:33.38 | Bagginsww | but the template that marks something as needing to be added to |
| 00:33.45 | Bagginsww | for mob stuff |
| 00:33.59 | Dotted | i dont edit the wiki, so i wouldnt know :P |
| 00:34.03 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 00:34.21 | Bagginsww | well ragestorm I can demark them for now |
| 00:34.29 | Bagginsww | I mean not make them links |
| 00:34.51 | Ragestorm | <shurg> I was just curious |
| 00:35.01 | Ragestorm | Oh, have a look at Illidari if you have time |
| 00:35.11 | Bagginsww | I loath that page |
| 00:35.29 | Bagginsww | it needs citations badly |
| 00:35.37 | Bagginsww | quest links etc |
| 00:36.52 | Bagginsww | I came a cross a quest that called the naga in shadowmoon Illidari specifically. But that doesn't mean all naga outside shadowmoon are illidari. It was referring to the ones in the quest specifically :p |
| 00:37.58 | Ragestorm | Also, do we know that the Azerothian side of the Dragonmaw counts? |
| 00:39.59 | Bagginsww | they are Dark Hore |
| 00:40.01 | Bagginsww | specifically |
| 00:40.04 | Bagginsww | *Horde |
| 00:40.08 | Bagginsww | so no thye shouldn't count |
| 00:40.45 | Bagginsww | Not unless Dark Horde and Fel Horde have some kind of connection mentioned somewhere, I haven't heard about :p |
| 00:41.47 | Ragestorm | I just found a Pandaran reconiliation |
| 00:41.53 | Ragestorm | *reconciliation |
| 00:42.08 | Ragestorm | "Each world had its own elements, its own powers to call upon" |
| 00:42.33 | Ragestorm | {{cite|Unbroken|38}} |
| 00:42.33 | Dotted | Ragestorm meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/38 |
| 00:42.45 | Ragestorm | No I didn't |
| 00:42.56 | Ragestorm | I meant page 38 of Unbroken |
| 00:43.12 | Bagginsww | I personally didn't see there being a problem... |
| 00:43.18 | Bagginsww | but that line is good |
| 00:43.26 | Ragestorm | One could argue (though I'd rather not) that the extra Pandaren elements are ones specific to Azeroth. |
| 00:43.27 | Bagginsww | I'll add it |
| 00:43.44 | Bagginsww | so are the Elementals heh |
| 00:43.45 | Ragestorm | I'm working on the new article right now, be done in a few. |
| 00:44.43 | Bagginsww | there is enough info in LotC that each spirit could probably be expanded upon in their own articles too |
| 00:44.50 | Bagginsww | but that multiple name thing could be an issue |
| 00:45.01 | Ragestorm | I don't think we need to go that far. |
| 00:45.18 | Bagginsww | generally speaking, wind, earth, fire, and water are always lower case in the quest lines oddl enough |
| 00:45.36 | Ragestorm | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spirits_of_the_Wilds |
| 00:45.49 | Ragestorm | I'll edit and expand, but as a preview. |
| 00:46.56 | Ragestorm | Earth, Air and Water have associated speeches that I'd like to add. |
| 00:46.57 | Bagginsww | wilds should probably be lower case |
| 00:47.03 | Bagginsww | like in the book |
| 00:47.09 | Bagginsww | only the Spirit itself was caps |
| 00:47.15 | Ragestorm | Fair enough. |
| 00:48.04 | Ragestorm | also add speculation at the bottom |
| 00:48.38 | Ragestorm | The only other pagename option is "Everything that is, is alive" |
| 00:48.38 | Bagginsww | about the outland spirits? |
| 00:48.47 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 00:48.58 | Ragestorm | The Furies are already on the main page. |
| 00:49.43 | Bagginsww | I'd suggest adding the stub/lore to that wilds article too, so people can add more form unbroken, and lotc |
| 00:49.55 | Bagginsww | although that individual info could be put on individual spirit pages |
| 00:49.59 | Ragestorm | as LotC was before the "every planet has their own" idea, we don't know if Thrall was talking to the Draenor ones or the Azeroth ones |
| 00:50.11 | Ragestorm | I don't think we need individual pages |
| 00:50.30 | Bagginsww | well each spirit at least needs to redirect to that page at least |
| 00:50.45 | Ragestorm | And seriously, stub notices do nothin |
| 00:50.56 | Ragestorm | If people want to add, they add, if they don't they don't |
| 00:51.17 | Ragestorm | Sadly the add the the ones that are fine and don't do anything to the stubs! |
| 00:51.28 | Ragestorm | *add to |
| 00:52.08 | Bagginsww | Fundamentally incorporeal until someone starts citing the ingame quest info :p |
| 00:52.20 | Bagginsww | arly quests I mean |
| 00:52.35 | pcj | baggins http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Multisource |
| 00:52.38 | pcj | finish construction |
| 00:52.55 | Bagginsww | I need a picture LOL |
| 00:53.00 | Bagginsww | that represents it |
| 00:53.02 | Ragestorm | Fundamentally incorporeal might imply that they are capable of bodies, they usually don't |
| 00:53.15 | Bagginsww | and I need someone who knows how to make it so you can set it to list sources used |
| 00:53.16 | Ragestorm | The cover of unbroken is the closest thing we have |
| 00:53.42 | Bagginsww | like {{multisource|Lord of the Clans, Unbroken}} |
| 00:53.43 | Bagginsww | etc |
| 00:54.05 | Bagginsww | oh I was talkign about th emulti source template |
| 00:54.24 | Bagginsww | but ya I like the unbroken cover |
| 00:54.34 | Bagginsww | for your page |
| 00:54.42 | Bagginsww | pcj if you could help |
| 00:54.45 | Bagginsww | I'd appreciate it |
| 00:54.50 | pcj | hmm |
| 00:54.59 | pcj | can you give me an example of how it should look |
| 00:55.03 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.08 | foxlit | so ironic |
| 00:55.33 | Bagginsww | well think of our source needed template |
| 00:55.34 | foxlit | "Hey, let's set protection to sysop so that regular users can't delete this template... oh, wait" |
| 00:55.52 | Bagginsww | you know how you can make it show what needs to be fixed |
| 00:55.58 | Bagginsww | or maybe i'm thinking of wikify |
| 00:56.01 | Bagginsww | the template |
| 00:56.04 | pcj | oh |
| 00:56.05 | pcj | ambox |
| 00:56.29 | Bagginsww | but instead use that feature to show people ahead of time what sources are being referred to in the article |
| 00:56.37 | Bagginsww | this was to avoid people stackign the other templates |
| 00:56.48 | Bagginsww | which look sbad |
| 00:56.55 | Bagginsww | personally I'd vote to do away with all of them |
| 00:56.58 | Ragestorm | Hmm... |
| 00:57.47 | pcj | can you link to a page baggins |
| 00:57.52 | Ragestorm | Most of them could probably be removed. |
| 00:57.58 | Ragestorm | They're not even used properly |
| 00:58.25 | Bagginsww | which page? |
| 00:58.30 | Bagginsww | pcj? |
| 00:58.48 | pcj | what do you mean show what needs to be fixed |
| 00:59.03 | Bagginsww | ok I think its wikifiy |
| 00:59.05 | pcj | you want to use an ambox for sources? |
| 00:59.15 | pcj | that doesn't really make sense |
| 00:59.31 | pcj | amboxes are for info relating to editing the article itself |
| 00:59.32 | Bagginsww | but you can type something like {{wikify|clean up grammar, check sources}} |
| 00:59.39 | Ragestorm | ??? |
| 00:59.43 | Bagginsww | I think we are confused |
| 00:59.49 | Ragestorm | What does that have to do with sources? |
| 01:00.01 | Bagginsww | I was just wanting an option that would work similarly |
| 01:00.10 | pcj | we're talking about http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Multisource as far as i know lol |
| 01:00.36 | Bagginsww | {{multisource|Lord of the Clans, Lands of Conflict, The Burning Crusade}} |
| 01:00.37 | Dotted | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lord_of_the_Clans,_Lands_of_Conflict,_The_Burning_Crusade |
| 01:00.39 | Bagginsww | if you do that |
| 01:00.47 | Bagginsww | then it would list in the banner those sources |
| 01:00.50 | pcj | dotted, fail |
| 01:00.54 | Bagginsww | so that the banner i smodifiable |
| 01:01.05 | Ragestorm | Dotted, what the hell are you doing? |
| 01:01.13 | Bagginsww | instead of people stacking two or three of our regular source banners |
| 01:01.13 | Dotted | lol Ragestorm |
| 01:01.17 | Ragestorm | Nvrmnd, I don't want to know |
| 01:01.38 | Dotted | pcj feel free to fix it |
| 01:01.43 | pcj | um did you want those three to be linked baggins |
| 01:02.37 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, what source banners are you talking about? the only ones I've seen are {{novel}}, {{RPG}} etc., not for specific sources |
| 01:02.40 | Bagginsww | its an example :p |
| 01:02.48 | Bagginsww | yes ragesgorm those type |
| 01:02.56 | Ragestorm | Just use the novel stamp |
| 01:03.01 | Bagginsww | say an article cites form the game, novel, rpg etc |
| 01:03.03 | pcj | you want it to look like {{novel}}? |
| 01:03.10 | Bagginsww | fandy and others then go around |
| 01:03.22 | Bagginsww | adding all the templates :p |
| 01:03.35 | Bagginsww | I want something that looks similar but can be modified to fit the sitatuion |
| 01:03.43 | Ragestorm | I'd say just use {{novel}}, if you desperately feel the need, |
| 01:03.53 | Ragestorm | As you insists, they turn up elsewhere |
| 01:04.06 | pcj | something like that baggins? http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Multisource |
| 01:04.09 | Bagginsww | not everything falls undernovel though:p |
| 01:04.22 | Bagginsww | that's pretty good |
| 01:04.46 | Ragestorm | Read the novel disclaimer, it mentions short stories. |
| 01:04.57 | Bagginsww | not everything is from short stories |
| 01:05.07 | Bagginsww | think of it this way |
| 01:05.12 | Ragestorm | I'm all ears |
| 01:05.23 | Bagginsww | if yo had a multisource that was rpg, warcraft iii, and warcraft ii |
| 01:05.34 | Bagginsww | those arent novels or short stories, unless of course it was from an rpg short story |
| 01:06.05 | Bagginsww | so I wanted a single template that be user defined based on the circumstances |
| 01:06.22 | Bagginsww | multisource being the template |
| 01:06.45 | Bagginsww | after multisource |(list of the sources) |
| 01:06.51 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, using that logic, every lore article on the wiki is going to bear this stamp. |
| 01:06.53 | Bagginsww | you know the for template? |
| 01:07.23 | Bagginsww | well then you will continue to have fandy |
| 01:07.30 | Ragestorm | ?? |
| 01:07.31 | Bagginsww | adding novel, rpg, and warcraft III templates |
| 01:07.33 | Bagginsww | at the top of the page |
| 01:07.44 | Bagginsww | he stacks all three |
| 01:08.29 | Bagginsww | if the article has info from all three |
| 01:08.29 | Ragestorm | Cite? |
| 01:08.29 | Bagginsww | you want me to show an example? |
| 01:08.29 | Ragestorm | ys. |
| 01:08.29 | Bagginsww | ok going to have to hunt one |
| 01:08.29 | Bagginsww | I usually rmeove them right after he does |
| 01:08.30 | Bagginsww | or if others od it |
| 01:08.32 | Ragestorm | I thought that if it was multisourced we just didn't stamp it |
| 01:09.14 | Bagginsww | that was my opinion |
| 01:09.16 | Bagginsww | too |
| 01:09.30 | Bagginsww | but fandy seems to have something against leaving banners off pages |
| 01:10.09 | Bagginsww | another possible interpretation is to use it for the first location of that topic |
| 01:10.18 | Bagginsww | the first time such and showed up |
| 01:10.43 | Bagginsww | but then the templates would have to be rewritten to acknowledge that use |
| 01:11.06 | Bagginsww | for example dark troll would get a warcraft III template |
| 01:11.13 | Bagginsww | since that was the first time they were seen |
| 01:12.26 | Bagginsww | ragestormits going to be very hard to hunt down the last time he did it since I don't remember which article I removed it from :p |
| 01:13.23 | Ragestorm | It's not a pressing issue |
| 01:13.31 | Ragestorm | Just a wierd one. |
| 01:14.00 | Bagginsww | true |
| 01:14.17 | Ragestorm | In spite of the fact that I've been touted as being in charge of lore, a rather large number of lore choice have been made without me. |
| 01:14.30 | pcj | good work fandy http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Ent |
| 01:33.38 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 01:33.40 | Dotted | The WoWWiki job queue length is currently 8103 |
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| 01:54.09 | kd3 | what "race" are the harvest collectors in westfall? |
| 01:54.44 | Jimdinventor | I seem to recall they're Mechanical (model: scarecrow). |
| 01:54.47 | Dotted | lol pcj |
| 01:54.54 | pcj | what |
| 01:55.04 | Dotted | [+pcj]: good work fandy http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Ent |
| 01:55.08 | Dotted | thats just win |
| 01:55.17 | Dotted | in ever aspect of win |
| 01:55.19 | Jimdinventor | I can get verification on the model's name if that's what you're looking for, KD3. |
| 01:55.20 | Dotted | every* |
| 01:55.20 | pcj | lol |
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| 01:56.53 | kd3 | nah, just looking for the race classification we've got them as... 'Harvest golem', by the way |
| 01:57.13 | Jimdinventor | *nod*. Great! :-) |
| 02:06.35 | Jimdinventor | .... The ability page for Gouge ... is a sandbox? /boggle |
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| 03:00.36 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww? |
| 03:02.42 | Bagginsww | yes? |
| 03:02.52 | Bagginsww | I was off doing real life things |
| 03:03.19 | Ragestorm | Best news I've had all day. |
| 03:03.35 | Ragestorm | Are you trying to imply something? |
| 03:04.03 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 03:04.47 | Ragestorm | Which should give you some idea of the day I've had 9.9 |
| 03:05.19 | Bagginsww | just making sure my loans and grants were coming... :p |
| 03:05.28 | Ragestorm | Are they? |
| 03:05.34 | Bagginsww | yes |
| 03:05.46 | Bagginsww | the compuster system was posting false information :p |
| 03:05.53 | Ragestorm | Excellent. This for the geo or the anthro? |
| 03:06.16 | Bagginsww | the archaelogy field school this summer, and my classes in the fall |
| 03:06.28 | Ragestorm | ah |
| 03:06.48 | Bagginsww | 2 more weeks until I go |
| 03:06.53 | Ragestorm | Where? |
| 03:07.46 | Bagginsww | Kauai |
| 03:08.21 | Ragestorm | Staying local, then? |
| 03:08.32 | Bagginsww | can't afford an extra 2-3k to get out LOL |
| 03:08.40 | Bagginsww | with plane ticket prices these days |
| 03:11.22 | Ragestorm | x:x |
| 03:11.27 | Ragestorm | :x |
| 03:11.32 | Ragestorm | It's horrific. |
| 03:11.52 | Bagginsww | yes... :( |
| 03:13.19 | Ragestorm | Speaking of which, have you read Roland's latest offering on Talk:Satyr? |
| 03:13.29 | Bagginsww | do I want to know? |
| 03:13.43 | Ragestorm | The anthropologist in you will die. |
| 03:14.06 | Ragestorm | Either that or you'll just bang your head against a table |
| 03:14.17 | Bagginsww | they are indepdently but legion aligned |
| 03:14.41 | Ragestorm | No, tthat's Kesmana |
| 03:14.47 | Ragestorm | The one above it. |
| 03:15.19 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 03:15.48 | Ragestorm | I know, not particularly shocking, but I can't wrap my head around it. |
| 03:16.14 | Ragestorm | I mean, the Odyssey didn't come with pictures! |
| 03:17.14 | Ragestorm | And now look at the Eternals |
| 03:17.16 | Bagginsww | posted |
| 03:17.37 | Ragestorm | What is Murmur classified as? |
| 03:17.38 | Bagginsww | he is let me put it bluntly "feeble" |
| 03:17.45 | Bagginsww | elemental of pure sound |
| 03:17.50 | Bagginsww | or some cuch thing |
| 03:18.00 | Bagginsww | not sure why he puts anything that is vaguely worhipsed |
| 03:18.14 | Bagginsww | and whydo w need a diety article would a category suffice? |
| 03:18.31 | Bagginsww | there isn't aot of info defining "diety" in warcraft terms |
| 03:18.58 | Ragestorm | Particularly when we had that epic argument two years ago when you made the Eternal page. |
| 03:19.14 | Ragestorm | Plus, if he left Elune why bother moving An'she? |
| 03:19.22 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 03:19.29 | Bagginsww | Elune btw is an Eternal :p |
| 03:19.47 | Ragestorm | Err... I know |
| 03:19.49 | Bagginsww | I leave an'she because well they are the same being |
| 03:19.57 | Bagginsww | did he move her? |
| 03:20.01 | Ragestorm | An'she is the sun |
| 03:20.05 | Bagginsww | oh oops |
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| 03:20.19 | Ragestorm | Roland moved An'she to the deity page and then added his new ones. |
| 03:20.31 | Bagginsww | I"m going to delete the page, and redirect it |
| 03:20.36 | Bagginsww | to faiths |
| 03:21.03 | Ragestorm | Works for me |
| 03:21.40 | Ragestorm | How does Hetaera fit into either category? |
| 03:22.02 | Ragestorm | Nath, Anzu and Rukhmar I can see. |
| 03:22.14 | Bagginsww | right now I don't even know what hetaera is... |
| 03:22.29 | Bagginsww | the |
| 03:22.33 | Bagginsww | umm hydra? |
| 03:22.51 | Bagginsww | he was putting up that other hydra too |
| 03:22.52 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 03:23.09 | Bagginsww | and even in the quest text it wasn't really treated as a "god" |
| 03:23.55 | Ragestorm | Right, so should we add Nath, Anzu and Rukhmar to the overall list? |
| 03:24.08 | Ragestorm | Maybe we should alphabetize. |
| 03:24.31 | Bagginsww | to which list? |
| 03:24.36 | Ragestorm | Eternals |
| 03:24.48 | Bagginsww | oh they dont' fit the eternals definition as we currentlhy know it |
| 03:25.01 | Bagginsww | not part of Azeroth |
| 03:25.06 | Bagginsww | in any way |
| 03:25.15 | Bagginsww | they didn't influece azeroth's history |
| 03:25.26 | Bagginsww | or alter the world |
| 03:26.25 | Ragestorm | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/417.xml |
| 03:27.54 | Ragestorm | Did that enter into your Eternal calculations? |
| 03:28.33 | Bagginsww | that article might be beyond Eternals in general |
| 03:29.08 | Bagginsww | and we do have articles for demigods, faith etc |
| 03:29.13 | Ragestorm | Not beyond, perhaps within |
| 03:29.34 | Ragestorm | Thing it, "god" does appear to be a viable classification |
| 03:29.35 | Bagginsww | well ifs only from Azeroht perspective |
| 03:29.44 | Ragestorm | ? |
| 03:30.02 | Bagginsww | I mean draenor doesn't really count by the specific definitions of Eternal |
| 03:30.20 | Ragestorm | ? |
| 03:30.20 | Bagginsww | unless something was to come from Draenor and totally alter the face of AZeroth, or alter it shistory |
| 03:30.28 | Bagginsww | that was immortal |
| 03:30.29 | Ragestorm | I'm lost |
| 03:30.38 | Bagginsww | well read the first line of Eternal |
| 03:30.46 | Bagginsww | and first paragraph of background |
| 03:30.49 | Bagginsww | and the history section |
| 03:31.02 | Bagginsww | basically its referring to only thigns that influenced Azeroth's history |
| 03:31.07 | Bagginsww | in some way |
| 03:31.14 | Ragestorm | <bangs head against the table? |
| 03:31.17 | Bagginsww | or built the wrold |
| 03:31.18 | Ragestorm | *> |
| 03:31.44 | Bagginsww | there hans't been any updates to the definition of Eternal, than the ones Metzen and what's his name gave in the book... |
| 03:31.52 | Ragestorm | Right, so Eternal would not apply to the creator of draenor? |
| 03:31.54 | Bagginsww | and its been used only a few times in other books |
| 03:32.09 | Bagginsww | so I'm just trying to avoid asusming more into the definition than was already there |
| 03:32.46 | Ragestorm | And god and eternal can't be completely separate classifications because...? |
| 03:33.04 | Bagginsww | since the encyclopedia didn't mention eternal it could be beyond the scope of eternal but parts of it that defnitely fit into Eternals definition |
| 03:33.22 | Bagginsww | Hakkar influenced the history of the world majorly |
| 03:33.41 | Bagginsww | obviously anything about Ancients |
| 03:33.51 | Bagginsww | fits into scope of Eternal |
| 03:33.57 | Bagginsww | because ancients are Eternals |
| 03:34.11 | Ragestorm | the Old Gods, Hakkar and Elune are gods |
| 03:34.26 | Bagginsww | and titans were "akin to gods" |
| 03:34.29 | Bagginsww | or demigods |
| 03:34.55 | Bagginsww | the book already discusses those differences in definition btw :p |
| 03:35.02 | Bagginsww | erm |
| 03:35.03 | Bagginsww | article |
| 03:35.09 | Ragestorm | I think that "akin to gods" MUST be different to demigods |
| 03:35.13 | Bagginsww | yes the article arealdy had alot of stuff rom that article |
| 03:35.20 | Bagginsww | it uses both terms :p |
| 03:36.05 | Bagginsww | demigods and akin to gods are used in the same sources :p |
| 03:36.20 | Bagginsww | but anycase thats already discussed in the titans section of the article |
| 03:36.31 | Bagginsww | and thea rticle already has alot of material fro the encyclopedia |
| 03:36.38 | Bagginsww | jsut in the related sections |
| 03:45.08 | Bagginsww | but ya, even LichKing is called a god at times LOL |
| 03:46.05 | Bagginsww | someone can go about defining what "god" means but in some ways its sillly since every someone or something else gives another use for god :p |
| 03:46.12 | Bagginsww | *others |
| 03:46.22 | Bagginsww | god is such a generic term |
| 03:50.28 | Bagginsww | but ya the definition given in the website woudl deny alot of things that are not "gods" by its rules |
| 03:50.37 | Bagginsww | but are consdired gods to those who revere them |
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| 04:02.03 | Ragestorm | Like I said, only seven confirmed gods. |
| 04:02.20 | Ragestorm | I really do like the direction they went with Elune |
| 04:04.49 | Bagginsww | same |
| 04:05.21 | Ragestorm | If only would have taken the easy route and dealt with An'she. |
| 04:07.08 | Bagginsww | I wish we knew more about An'she |
| 04:08.03 | Ragestorm | The problem is, it stands to reason that An'she would be an elven sun god |
| 04:08.24 | Ragestorm | and it would have been simple and sensible for him to be the deity that the highbourne embraced |
| 04:08.46 | Ragestorm | The original difference between high elves and night elves was that high elves were diurnal. |
| 04:09.08 | Ragestorm | But that's not the route they took. |
| 04:12.10 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 04:12.18 | Bagginsww | well the light |
| 04:12.19 | Bagginsww | an'she |
| 04:12.23 | Bagginsww | and the light |
| 04:12.29 | Bagginsww | not pefect |
| 04:12.54 | Bagginsww | but highborne did embrace the divine light faith |
| 04:13.11 | Bagginsww | just speculating here though |
| 04:15.12 | Ragestorm | This would have also provided a simpler explanation for blood elf paladins: they were paladins of An'she. |
| 04:16.02 | Bagginsww | I like it |
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| 04:17.00 | Ragestorm | But An'she=the Light |
| 04:17.06 | Ragestorm | Could work |
| 04:18.46 | Ragestorm | Also, the Holy Light philosophy as explained doesn't seem to fit in with the naaru and the draenei. |
| 04:20.00 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 04:20.31 | Bagginsww | besides interestingly its said the church's early beliefs were lost during the first, second and third wars |
| 04:20.38 | Bagginsww | if anyone argued any other philosophies |
| 04:20.40 | Bagginsww | theyare gone |
| 04:20.44 | Bagginsww | an'she = god ;) |
| 04:21.18 | Bagginsww | god being an aspect of an'she or whatever the elves equivalant was |
| 04:22.22 | Ragestorm | Which would fit nicely into alliance between the elves and Arathor. |
| 04:22.37 | Ragestorm | the elves wound up diffusing some of their beliefs. |
| 04:24.21 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 04:25.54 | Ragestorm | This would still allow for the Sunwell and whatever other developments |
| 04:26.10 | Ragestorm | We should write this up and send it to Metzen. |
| 04:28.06 | Bagginsww | hmm his maygos post, I'd say non editorial |
| 04:28.20 | Bagginsww | heh, ya |
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| 04:50.14 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Religion |
| 04:50.19 | Bagginsww | added the minor relgions there |
| 04:50.31 | Bagginsww | if someone happens to look up "diety" it will lead there |
| 04:50.42 | Ragestorm | Fine. |
| 04:50.52 | Ragestorm | Satyr Origins again |
| 04:51.47 | Bagginsww | ... |
| 04:52.33 | Ragestorm | I'm going to call it a night. |
| 04:52.38 | Ragestorm | Feel free to ban him |
| 04:53.12 | Bagginsww | although I' not convinced that's an editorial article :p |
| 04:53.16 | Bagginsww | *discussion |
| 04:54.06 | Ragestorm | Short ban for ignoring repeating talk policy warnings and making stupid comments. |
| 04:54.31 | Bagginsww | sounds good to me :p |
| 04:54.35 | Ragestorm | Although if that last one were official policy, Dotted would have been permabanned long ago. |
| 04:54.54 | Dotted | outlands |
| 04:55.03 | Ragestorm | Oh shut up |
| 04:55.08 | Dotted | ;D |
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| 04:55.15 | Dotted | no u |
| 04:55.24 | Ragestorm | Good night <bows> |
| 04:55.27 | Bagginsww | gnight |
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| 04:55.38 | Dotted | off again to do additional cleaning |
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| 05:22.10 | Bagginsww | ok he did it |
| 05:22.13 | Bagginsww | he's going to get a ban |
| 05:22.28 | Dotted | sweet |
| 05:33.16 | pcj | is there something wrong with your keyboard baggins lol |
| 05:43.27 | Bagginsww | his page |
| 05:43.47 | Bagginsww | was causing the keyboard to run slowly |
| 05:43.53 | Bagginsww | I couldn't even really see what I was typing |
| 05:44.21 | Bagginsww | I tried to fix alot of the missed text.~~~~ |
| 05:44.31 | Bagginsww | but eh... misse dsome |
| 05:45.26 | pcj | lol |
| 05:47.38 | Bagginsww | someone want to change known vandals table to known violations? |
| 05:48.54 | pcj | uh it already is |
| 05:49.12 | Bagginsww | hmm at the top of thepage it says "vandal" |
| 05:49.20 | Bagginsww | when I was editing in rolandius on the list |
| 05:50.21 | Bagginsww | he doesn't seme to understand that its more than just moving, things but goes beyond that... |
| 05:50.26 | Bagginsww | *seem |
| 05:50.39 | Bagginsww | oh and I an blame some of my typing on lack of sleep |
| 05:50.50 | Bagginsww | I've been up for almost 20 hours :p |
| 05:50.59 | Bagginsww | I think I only slept 3 hours |
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| 09:52.04 | SeverinAndrews | Hello everyone |
| 09:53.15 | SeverinAndrews | Once again nobody here? |
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| 13:20.41 | pcj | http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article4182003.ece |
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| 16:52.01 | Kirkburn | Morning |
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| 16:56.46 | Adys | morning Kirkburn |
| 17:01.17 | Kirkburn | Getting revved up for next weekend? |
| 17:02.53 | foxlit | snooze! |
| 17:03.09 | foxlit | You should wear a wikia-ad tshirt, kirk! |
| 17:25.39 | pcj | Yeah, one which shows the comparison between New Monaco and monobook |
| 17:29.27 | pcj | i just wanted to point out http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Ent again |
| 17:30.39 | Kirkburn | foxlit, I have several :P |
| 17:31.40 | Kirkburn | I'll wear the WoWWiki though |
| 17:32.17 | Kirkburn | I think it has the Diablo logo on too ... |
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| 17:39.41 | foxlit | I think you can do something really nice with logos being cut by google ads :) |
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| 17:52.05 | Bagginsww | gmorning |
| 17:55.35 | pcj | sup |
| 17:56.42 | Bagginsww | not much |
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| 18:05.30 | Ragestorm | Bagginsww, I think this situation with Rolandius has taught us some valuable lessons/ |
| 18:05.47 | Bagginsww | not the first time this has happened :p |
| 18:06.19 | Bagginsww | if yo mean content removal sort of stuff :p |
| 18:06.35 | Ragestorm | Firstly, Being bold is all well and good, of you were here for the arguments that shaped policy. |
| 18:06.42 | Ragestorm | If you new, frak being bold. |
| 18:07.02 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 18:07.06 | Bagginsww | I agree there |
| 18:07.10 | Ragestorm | Second, we only know what the heck everyone else is saying about half the time. |
| 18:07.26 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 18:07.35 | Bagginsww | yes, i've run into that a few times |
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| 18:07.54 | Ragestorm | And fourth, I think for one I'd like a retcon |
| 18:08.01 | Ragestorm | dealing with Eternals. |
| 18:09.11 | Bagginsww | I'd like an update if that's what you mean? |
| 18:09.48 | Ragestorm | I don't care if it's an update, retcon, a massacre or a fish. |
| 18:09.57 | Ragestorm | Some word would be nice. |
| 18:10.11 | Bagginsww | beyond random references in later sources ;p |
| 18:10.38 | Ragestorm | Which are then blown out by a lore-end-all source that is never updated. |
| 18:10.40 | foxlit | World of /care :) |
| 18:11.30 | Bagginsww | "lore-end-all" which Blizzard says in other places is just another source of lore :p, and in other interviews the games are the true "end-all" |
| 18:12.16 | Ragestorm | Just so we're clear, I was referring to the Warcraft encyclopedia. |
| 18:12.22 | Bagginsww | which I was too |
| 18:12.26 | Ragestorm | Good. |
| 18:12.48 | Ragestorm | Apparently, after they posted it, people asked why they were bothering because WoWWiki was there. |
| 18:13.03 | Ragestorm | These people were subsequently banned from the forums |
| 18:13.12 | Ragestorm | And the encyclopedia was never updated. |
| 18:13.25 | Bagginsww | lawl |
| 18:13.38 | Bagginsww | banned? they must have done more than that |
| 18:13.47 | Bagginsww | like break some kind of policy |
| 18:13.48 | Bagginsww | insults |
| 18:13.51 | Bagginsww | that kind of thing |
| 18:14.33 | Ragestorm | The comments were in the vein of "why are you bothering when everyone goes to WoWWiki because they're better anyway" or something like that." |
| 18:15.04 | Bagginsww | ok that probably does breach something in the terms of use |
| 18:15.08 | Ragestorm | These same people found no souccour from me, as I was NOT pleased to discover the lack of encyclopedia updates. |
| 18:16.03 | foxlit | "you suck", by itself, breaches no policy :) |
| 18:16.10 | Kirkburn | I have an email from Rolandius btw |
| 18:16.25 | Fisker- | "Your mother" |
| 18:16.30 | Ragestorm | Alright them |
| 18:16.33 | Bagginsww | oh and its somewhat unclear but there is definitely some kind of difference between faith and Eternals.. not all faiths are Eternals according to later books in the series |
| 18:16.41 | Kirkburn | It's long. |
| 18:16.45 | foxlit | is your father, Fisker-. |
| 18:16.50 | Fisker- | no u |
| 18:17.32 | Bagginsww | Since the release of the first Warcraft game, the lore of the Warcraft universe has been evolving and expanding at an incredible rate. Today, Warcraft lore is spread across four games and three expansions as well as a number of novels, a pen-and-paper roleplaying game, and even a manga series. Now you can find all there is to know about Warcraft in one official source of all things Warcraft: The Warcraft Encyclopedia. |
| 18:17.35 | Bagginsww | Lawl |
| 18:18.16 | Bagginsww | generally speaking we need website citations to be dated... |
| 18:18.42 | Ragestorm | The two things I want to ask Metzen: are you going to do anything with An'she, and when are you updating? |
| 18:18.43 | Bagginsww | as would be the case in most if not all university citation methods :p |
| 18:18.52 | Bagginsww | hah ha |
| 18:19.23 | Bagginsww | its funny when other sources update things faster than it does :p |
| 18:19.36 | Camicio2 | REAL LOL |
| 18:19.47 | Bagginsww | me thinks they just gave up on it... and decided to just update things with books, game, etc... |
| 18:19.55 | Ragestorm | Yeah. |
| 18:19.59 | Bagginsww | the only real update they did was extend the timeline |
| 18:20.10 | Bagginsww | on history of warcraft, and its still flawed |
| 18:20.13 | Ragestorm | Still, it confirmed that WotA was fully confirmed. |
| 18:20.42 | foxlit | do we have any confirmation on that? |
| 18:20.46 | Bagginsww | they have confirmed that series several times heh |
| 18:22.08 | Bagginsww | besides the only way to know all there is to know about warcraft is to own everything there is to know about warcraft :p unless they plan to put up copies of the books... |
| 18:22.43 | Bagginsww | encyclopedias are hardly a place to go if you want to know everything there is to know on a subject :p |
| 18:23.51 | Bagginsww | You'd need research in journals, thesises, books etc to get a good idea of what subject is about, and what people are saying about it |
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| 18:25.14 | Bagginsww | but ya I'd vote for free copies of the books for everyone ;) |
| 18:25.20 | Bagginsww | in nice searchable pdf |
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| 18:35.11 | Ragestorm | If we're ever bought out by Blizzard, that should be a condition. |
| 18:35.52 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ancient#Ancients_.28demigods.29 see some of rolandius edits just don't make sense why would he put aku'mai under anciences, god or anything related... |
| 18:36.30 | Bagginsww | *ancients |
| 18:37.17 | Bagginsww | its like he went about sticking anything and everything on any page that was even remotely related in some way :p |
| 18:37.26 | Bagginsww | same thing he did on burning legion page... |
| 18:37.36 | Bagginsww | which I don't even want to begin trying to clean up... |
| 18:37.53 | Bagginsww | I' thinking of just moving out the bottom section to a strict speculation page... |
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| 18:58.00 | Ragestorm | Which section? |
| 19:06.59 | Kirkburn | One of the more interesting GIFs I've seen - http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g153/Kyoga_Shimaru/1188924514947.gif |
| 19:09.57 | pcj | it's one of those shocker gifs isn't it |
| 19:10.10 | pcj | oh |
| 19:10.15 | pcj | you look at weird stuff kirkburn |
| 19:10.29 | Kirkburn | Just saw it on a forum, is all |
| 19:10.36 | pcj | suuuure |
| 19:10.38 | Kirkburn | Surprised me it was a gif |
| 19:28.13 | Ragestorm | Kirkburn, whatever will we do with you? |
| 19:28.24 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:28.33 | Ragestorm | Moreover, what am I going to do with the Illidari article? |
| 19:34.38 | Kaso | Kirkburn, i think thats going to give me a seizure |
| 19:35.18 | Ragestorm | Then stop watching it. |
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| 19:48.02 | Dotted | outlands |
| 19:48.56 | Dotted | i seriously need a random timer saying that every once in a while when Ragestorm is online :P EPIC RAGE STORM IS EPIC! |
| 19:48.59 | Dotted | aw he quit |
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| 19:54.50 | Jimdinventor | Good day, folks! I am going to work on implementing "Passive", "Racial", and "Racial Passive" into Abilitytip today. |
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| 20:14.55 | Ragestorm | Hey, Dotted. |
| 20:15.23 | Dotted | you missed: [+Dotted]: i seriously need a random timer saying that every once in a while when Ragestorm is online :P EPIC RAGE STORM IS EPIC! |
| 20:15.29 | Dotted | also hey Ragestorm |
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| 20:15.52 | Dotted | :( |
| 20:15.55 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:15.57 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:15.58 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:15.59 | Dotted | also hey sweetie |
| 20:15.59 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:16.20 | Fisker- | jeg skal skide Dotted |
| 20:16.22 | Ragestorm | I've never seen the good in that. Ruins a perfectly good trout. |
| 20:16.36 | Dotted | sends some DDoS in Ragestorm's direction |
| 20:17.10 | Ragestorm | Yeah. |
| 20:19.32 | Dotted | ::: L RON HARALD - BRÃNNE DÃK : 02:31 : 128kbps : Stereo ::: |
| 20:19.33 | Dotted | ! |
| 20:19.49 | Dotted | Fisker- |
| 20:21.04 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:21.11 | Dotted | ::: L RON HARALD - BRÃNNE DÃK : 02:31 : 128kbps : Stereo ::: |
| 20:21.11 | Fisker- | skrid nu med det lorte pis musik |
| 20:21.17 | Dotted | nånå |
| 20:21.23 | Fisker- | fucking win |
| 20:21.38 | Dotted | ::: Headhunterz vs Wildstylez - Blame It On The Music : 05:24 : 320kbps : Joint Stereo ::: |
| 20:21.41 | Dotted | bedre? |
| 20:21.55 | Fisker- | alt er bedre end l ron harald |
| 20:22.00 | Dotted | nice |
| 20:22.53 | Dotted | ::: Avril Lavigne - Girlfriend : 03:37 : 256kbps : Joint Stereo ::: |
| 20:22.57 | Dotted | Fisker-? |
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| 20:34.56 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:35.07 | Dotted | stabs Fisker- in the face |
| 20:36.22 | Fisker- | slaps Dotted around a bit with a large trout |
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| 20:42.18 | Ragestorm | Stop wasting the fish. |
| 20:42.34 | pcj | trout is terrible anyway |
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| 21:11.09 | Discordkt | Has anyone done the new Fire Festival yet? |
| 21:12.21 | pcj | yes |
| 21:17.45 | Discordkt | Are the old quests still available to click on the flames? |
| 21:18.23 | pcj | Partially |
| 21:18.26 | pcj | I don't know |
| 21:18.36 | pcj | They've changed them around a bit |
| 21:19.05 | Discordkt | :P I was doing some edits on the fire festival page and i'm running around doing the flames, but all i see is you give incense to little dudes... no clicking on bonfires. |
| 21:23.58 | pcj | yeah you still can click on them |
| 21:24.28 | pcj | that's what the listing of bonfires at the bottom of http://www.wowwiki.com/Midsummer_Fire_Festival is for |
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| 21:25.11 | Discordkt | At the top of the page, do those quests still exist which have you go get 4 fires each? |
| 21:26.36 | pcj | yes |
| 21:29.42 | Jimdinventor | If a "construct" (a type of template that performs a basic function) is not present in WoWWiki, can I 1) make it? 2) ask an admin to install it? or 3) sulk and then move on? I speak specifically of {{lc:}}. |
| 21:31.39 | Jimdinventor | hmmm, says here {{lc:}} is in MediaWiki 1.5+.. I thought that was us... |
| 21:32.10 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure we have {{lc:}} |
| 21:32.27 | Adys | We dont |
| 21:32.32 | Adys | we do have {{#lc:}} though |
| 21:32.36 | Jimdinventor | aha! |
| 21:32.46 | foxlit | And if it works for me that's because... |
| 21:32.58 | Adys | thats because you always want to be different |
| 21:33.07 | Jimdinventor | smiles. |
| 21:33.57 | pcj | {{lc:}} works fine |
| 21:34.13 | Adys | we prob got both |
| 21:34.28 | foxlit | Would you like a minute to get your story straight? :) |
| 21:34.30 | Corgan | Adys :D |
| 21:34.50 | Adys | Corgan D: |
| 21:35.06 | Jimdinventor | Foxlit was right -- we have lc:, and I had an error in my syntax :-) |
| 21:35.20 | Jimdinventor | Thanks everyone for setting me straight. |
| 21:35.36 | Adys | this is your last warning, next time you're banned for having bad syntax Jimdinventor |
| 21:35.50 | foxlit | On the other hand {{#lc:}} doesn't work |
| 21:35.50 | Jimdinventor | I'll never syn again! |
| 21:35.57 | Adys | Oh man, compilers should have that kind of stuff |
| 21:36.18 | Adys | "Error on line 581: You got three tries left" |
| 21:37.08 | Kirkburn|afk | parser tags don't all /need/ the # iirc, but it's a good idea to use them |
| 21:38.14 | pcj | It's a good idea to floss your teeth daily, and I don't do that either |
| 21:39.08 | Adys | wtf? |
| 21:39.09 | Adys | you dont? |
| 21:39.11 | Adys | ok |
| 21:39.14 | Adys | you're out of here thats it |
| 21:40.36 | Kirkburn|afk | It's hard enough remembering to brush them :P |
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| 21:44.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Remind me who's at WWI next week |
| 21:44.52 | Adys | o/ |
| 21:44.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Perhaps we should create a wiki page for it? |
| 21:45.04 | Adys | gourra is coming i think |
| 21:45.04 | Kirkburn|afk | (the meetup) |
| 21:45.26 | Adys | why, you really think people care enough about europe to come here? :P |
| 21:45.54 | Kirkburn|afk | heh, well, afaik a few of the UI people will be here |
| 21:46.04 | Kirkburn|afk | But I've yet to check up on it |
| 21:46.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, thunder. /me runs to the window |
| 21:48.10 | Adys | dont suicide just because its raining Kirkburn|afk ... |
| 21:48.24 | pcj | adys it's not like he has a choice |
| 21:48.30 | pcj | he drowns just by looking up |
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| 21:49.31 | Fisker- | .o/ |
| 21:51.06 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 21:51.43 | Kirkburn|sleep | ^ I may be gone some time... |
| 21:51.57 | Kirkburn|sleep | runs back to the window |
| 21:52.07 | Jimdinventor | nighty night, man |
| 21:52.14 | Kirkburn|sleep | g'night! |
| 21:54.19 | pcj | is he gone |
| 21:54.42 | foxlit | This "every horde settlement" thing is a lie |
| 21:56.21 | pcj | how so |
| 21:58.48 | Jimdinventor | Wewt. Halfway done, implementing the (Racial Passive) condition to Infobox_ability. |
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| 22:08.27 | kd3 | sort question... "von Stromhearth". v or S? |
| 22:09.37 | Jimdinventor | (so you don't feel ignored: ) I don't know. |
| 22:15.04 | pcj | S |
| 22:19.16 | Fisker- | bubblesort! |
| 22:21.04 | foxlit | Fisker-: bubblekill! |
| 22:21.39 | Jimdinventor | bubble wrap! *happy popping sounds can be heard* |
| 22:21.51 | Fisker- | http://i30.tinypic.com/dy56ky.jpg <-massive win |
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| 22:39.40 | Jimdinventor | I'm struggling with a concept. I believe there's some way to define a temporary variable inside a page. Does anyone know about this? |
| 22:40.52 | foxlit | there isn't |
| 22:41.01 | foxlit | Or some things would be a lot easier :) |
| 22:41.13 | Jimdinventor | I concur. |
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| 23:15.37 | pcj | There is, but WoWWiki doesn't have it |
| 23:16.16 | Jimdinventor | I'll live. :-) |
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