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| 00:00.31 | Sky2042 | Hakkar was easy |
| 00:00.36 | Sky2042 | Jindo was the hard one :/ |
| 00:00.44 | Sky2042 | And those imps. |
| 00:00.56 | foxlit | Meh, was fun not decursing people |
| 00:00.56 | CyberMac | :D |
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| 00:02.12 | CyberMac | Sorry bout that |
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| 01:21.44 | Kirkburn | Junior Senior ftw |
| 01:22.35 | pcj | hmm? |
| 01:23.00 | pcj | where are people supposed to ask to be considered to be admin, is there a sub page like the community teams |
| 01:23.05 | Kirkburn | Ask someone who's danish :P |
| 01:23.22 | pcj | who's danish |
| 01:24.32 | Kirkburn | No subpage exists indeed |
| 01:26.19 | pcj | fisker <Kirkburn> Junior Senior ftw |
| 01:28.03 | Sky2042_afk | I was thinking about drafting such a page. |
| 01:28.09 | Sky2042_afk | I'll be back in about 10 |
| 01:28.42 | pcj | 10 days, weeks? |
| 01:29.39 | Kirkburn | seconds? |
| 01:32.56 | Kirkburn | Be my guest |
| 01:33.19 | pcj | he's still gone i think |
| 01:37.42 | Sky2042_afk | minutes nubs |
| 01:39.55 | pcj | well make the subpage already |
| 01:40.34 | Kirkburn | s/reason/idea/ |
| 01:40.38 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 01:40.53 | pcj | wow it doesn't work with emotes |
| 01:40.56 | pcj | epic fail |
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| 02:17.31 | Sky2042_afk | Kirkburn / pcj: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Sky2042/RFA ? |
| 02:17.43 | Sky2042_afk | ripped from wikipedia, with some editing on my part, but there it is |
| 02:17.47 | pcj | Shouldn't it be in the WoWWiki namespace |
| 02:18.16 | Sky2042_afk | it will be |
| 02:18.19 | Sky2042_afk | that's jsut a draft |
| 02:18.22 | Kirkburn | d'oh |
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| 02:19.09 | Kirkburn | I'd say no need to say just me of Fandy, an admin will do |
| 02:19.11 | Kirkburn | *any |
| 02:19.19 | pcj | or* |
| 02:19.43 | Kirkburn | Yes, thanks :P |
| 02:20.06 | Kirkburn | I don't think time restrictions are needed either |
| 02:20.20 | Sky2042_afk | neither did i |
| 02:21.30 | Sky2042_afk | done |
| 02:23.04 | pcj | it still refers to a definitive period |
| 02:23.07 | pcj | tho it doesn't specify it |
| 02:23.23 | Sky2042_afk | does it? |
| 02:23.25 | Sky2042_afk | gah |
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| 02:23.41 | Sky2042_afk | well, yeah |
| 02:23.53 | Sky2042_afk | until a bureau decides to close it. |
| 02:24.12 | Sky2042_afk | see: Kirkburn. |
| 02:24.15 | pcj | "bureaucrats extend RfAs beyond seven days" |
| 02:24.32 | pcj | "At the end of that period, " |
| 02:24.38 | pcj | "The purpose of this time" |
| 02:25.39 | Sky2042_afk | done?... xD |
| 02:26.09 | Sky2042_afk | anyway, brb in 5 min |
| 02:26.31 | Kirkburn | Looks good |
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| 02:29.54 | Sky2042_afk | ok, back. |
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| 02:35.14 | pcj | wb |
| 02:35.50 | Sky2042_afk | heh |
| 02:36.31 | Sky2042_afk | pcj: you can write regexes, right? |
| 02:36.37 | pcj | yes |
| 02:36.38 | Kirkburn | Er, Sky |
| 02:36.45 | Kirkburn | You deleted something that was 4 minutes old |
| 02:36.51 | Kirkburn | And called it "abandoned" |
| 02:36.53 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 02:36.57 | pcj | loooooooooooooool |
| 02:36.57 | Sky2042_afk | duplicate |
| 02:37.12 | Kirkburn | it was also linked |
| 02:37.20 | Sky2042_afk | and now it's not |
| 02:37.32 | pcj | hahaha |
| 02:37.45 | Sky2042_afk | =) |
| 02:37.59 | Kirkburn | It is |
| 02:38.00 | Sky2042_afk | I reuploaded it under the original images name. |
| 02:38.03 | Sky2042_afk | not as a picture. |
| 02:38.16 | Kirkburn | See Sandwich's talk page |
| 02:38.26 | Kirkburn | gOurra is probably wondering what the hell is going on |
| 02:38.33 | Sky2042_afk | possibly. |
| 02:39.06 | Sky2042_afk | what the |
| 02:39.28 | Sky2042_afk | this is confusing though: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Image:HumanFoundrywc2.gif&curid=141153&diff=1098556&oldid=978789 |
| 02:40.34 | Kirkburn | May be a dupe, sec |
| 02:41.19 | Kirkburn | Aye dupe |
| 02:41.26 | Kirkburn | Fix without the wc2 bit |
| 02:41.50 | Kirkburn | [[WoWWiki:List of non-WoW Warcraft icons]] |
| 02:41.50 | [NewsBot] | Kirkburn meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:List_of_non-WoW_Warcraft_icons |
| 02:41.56 | Sky2042_afk | oooo |
| 02:42.16 | Sky2042_afk | they're both used tho? or is that caching |
| 02:42.30 | Kirkburn | Page likely needs updating |
| 02:43.09 | pcj | ...wow, SWman's talk page is confusing |
| 02:47.30 | Sky2042_afk | anyway, back to original question. pcj, how would you make a regex for finding a text string; eg, the string is [[aaabbbde|dcef]] where dcef is a variable # in length and of characters, how would you do it? |
| 02:47.39 | Sky2042_afk | i can't write them, but that's what I want to do :/ |
| 02:48.11 | Sky2042_afk | aaabbbde remains a constant, as do the surrounding text |
| 02:49.11 | pcj | hmm i think something like .*\[\[aaabbbde|\w{4}\]\].* |
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| 02:49.17 | pcj | i'll have to check real quick |
| 02:49.53 | Sky2042_afk | thanks. |
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| 02:51.41 | pcj | .*\[\[aaabbbde\|\w{4}\]\].* actually |
| 02:52.03 | pcj | where 4 is the number of letters |
| 02:52.15 | Sky2042_afk | up to, or exclusively? |
| 02:52.30 | pcj | exclusively |
| 02:52.34 | pcj | if you wanted a range i can do that |
| 02:52.40 | Sky2042_afk | that would be good =) |
| 02:52.47 | pcj | range of what? |
| 02:53.21 | Sky2042_afk | up to 20 would be good. |
| 02:53.26 | Sky2042_afk | call it 5-20 |
| 02:54.40 | pcj | \[\[aaabbbde\|\w{5,20}\]\] then |
| 02:55.04 | pcj | the .* around the outside will replace the whole page if you include them |
| 02:55.25 | pcj | and \w only matches letters a-z, A-Z |
| 02:55.38 | pcj | if you wanted to do any character replace \w with . |
| 02:55.48 | pcj | \[\[aaabbbde\|.{5,20}\]\] |
| 02:55.49 | pcj | thus |
| 02:56.04 | Sky2042_afk | ok. |
| 02:56.24 | Sky2042_afk | um... so reiterate what .* does? |
| 02:56.34 | pcj | .* matches any character, anything |
| 02:56.48 | pcj | so if you use them it will match the whole page if the page contains the middle part |
| 02:56.59 | Sky2042_afk | mk |
| 02:57.03 | pcj | it will still check to see if the middle part is there but if you're trying to replace it leave it off |
| 02:57.21 | Sky2042_afk | ok |
| 02:58.20 | Sky2042_afk | can I use the character ":" in the beginning part, or must that alos be preceded with a backslash? |
| 02:58.51 | pcj | yeah you don't need a backslash |
| 02:59.02 | Sky2042_afk | mk |
| 02:59.53 | Sky2042_afk | in the range, can the lower end also include 0, or must it be from 1+? |
| 03:00.47 | pcj | if you don't want a lower limit just do {,20} |
| 03:00.57 | Sky2042_afk | mk |
| 03:01.00 | Sky2042_afk | thanks pcj |
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| 03:01.46 | pcj | hmm |
| 03:02.21 | pcj | that doesn't seem to work, use 0 I guess |
| 03:02.39 | pcj | it's {5,} on the upper bound that you can leave off it seems |
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| 03:04.29 | Sky2042_afk | huh |
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| 03:05.35 | pcj | http://www.regular-expressions.info/reference.html reference |
| 03:05.40 | pcj | http://www.regular-expressions.info/javascriptexample.html test place |
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| 03:16.50 | Sky2042 | hrm |
| 03:17.17 | pcj | what |
| 03:18.20 | DuTempete | !seen Adys |
| 03:18.36 | DuTempete | ~seen Adys |
| 03:18.39 | infobot | adys <n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 11h 27m 25s ago, saying: 'ill be back later, too'. |
| 03:18.43 | pcj | ~seen Gryphon |
| 03:18.44 | infobot | gryphon <n=gryphon@71.216.187.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowi-lounge, 57d 6h 11m 9s ago, saying: 'ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.'. |
| 03:18.51 | pcj | ~seen Gryphen |
| 03:18.52 | infobot | gryphen <n=gryphon@71.216.187.10> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 19d 4h 2m 31s ago, saying: 'ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.'. |
| 03:18.54 | DuTempete | 57d?! |
| 03:18.56 | DuTempete | ohhh |
| 03:19.01 | DuTempete | still... |
| 03:19.07 | pcj | yeah |
| 03:19.17 | pcj | [[User talk:Gryphon#Hey]] |
| 03:19.17 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Gryphon#Hey |
| 03:19.18 | DuTempete | awww crap... somebody gave Sky op... |
| 03:19.25 | pcj | yeap |
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| 03:21.49 | Sky2042 | uh... I seem to recall someone's bf doing that... I wonder who... |
| 03:22.17 | pcj | Keolah's? |
| 03:22.25 | Sky2042 | nope. |
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| 03:22.41 | pcj | crap, ran out of girls to equivocate with |
| 03:22.46 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 03:23.03 | DuTempete | lol |
| 03:24.21 | DuTempete | Well, someone doesn't get involved with her boyfriends work- or admin-related decisions, despite how they frighten her. :P |
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| 03:25.13 | DuTempete | how they *may* frighten her... :P |
| 03:25.13 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 03:25.52 | Sky2042 | speaking of which, Kirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Requests_for_adminship |
| 03:26.39 | Kirkburn | beat you! |
| 03:26.46 | DuTempete | Holy shit... you had a good idea, Sky?! |
| 03:27.03 | pcj | ...no |
| 03:27.04 | Sky2042 | bastard |
| 03:27.09 | pcj | That was my idea first |
| 03:27.12 | Sky2042 | well, it was Kirkburns |
| 03:27.14 | Sky2042 | ;) |
| 03:27.16 | DuTempete | bwahahahaha |
| 03:27.20 | Sky2042 | from about a month or so ago. |
| 03:27.26 | DuTempete | He's so smart :) |
| 03:27.31 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 03:27.39 | pcj | yeah but didn't follow through on it |
| 03:27.48 | Kirkburn | Cause I is lazy, man |
| 03:27.56 | DuTempete | Well, I never said he was ambitious... just smart :P |
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| 03:28.16 | pcj | So do you create another page or just make it a third-level heading |
| 03:28.18 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, WW:ADMIN needs teh linkz (and thanks) |
| 03:28.34 | DuTempete | I still think he's the bestest evar, though. ;) |
| 03:28.53 | Kirkburn | pcj, 3rd level is probably enough for now |
| 03:29.20 | Sky2042 | no need for transclusions. |
| 03:30.02 | DuTempete | Kirky, it needs a Nominate Someone! link |
| 03:30.26 | DuTempete | or Sky2042, rather |
| 03:30.29 | DuTempete | sicne it's your page |
| 03:30.46 | Sky2042 | btw, Kirkburn, you suck for ww:rfa |
| 03:30.48 | Sky2042 | theif |
| 03:30.51 | Fisker- | yay |
| 03:30.54 | Fisker- | i have to get up in 30 minutes |
| 03:31.00 | DuTempete | thus one need not guess how to properly format the nomination |
| 03:31.05 | Fisker- | shame i've been up for the last 48 hours or so |
| 03:31.06 | Fisker- | :( |
| 03:31.28 | Sky2042 | DuTempete: I'm not sure if it's possible to specify that the user should add a level 3 section.. :/ |
| 03:31.48 | DuTempete | Look at the community group pages |
| 03:31.58 | DuTempete | What I'm talking about is used there. |
| 03:32.01 | Sky2042 | which are level 2s |
| 03:32.05 | DuTempete | It probably isn't a 3rd level heading |
| 03:32.12 | DuTempete | but it should be done in that way. |
| 03:32.15 | Fisker- | beep beep i'm an alarm clock btw |
| 03:32.24 | DuTempete | So, fix the page if you need to, but get it in there. |
| 03:32.24 | Kirkburn | i r teh theif |
| 03:32.25 | Sky2042 | Fisker-: getting up in 30 minutes. Ew. |
| 03:32.29 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 03:32.48 | DuTempete | Fisker- I would suggest not getting down at all. |
| 03:32.54 | DuTempete | Thus, no gettign up in 30 minutes. |
| 03:33.16 | DuTempete | Unless you've already got down. |
| 03:33.18 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, Junior Senior |
| 03:33.21 | DuTempete | Then you're screwed. |
| 03:33.25 | DuTempete | lol |
| 03:33.33 | Fisker- | your mother Kirkburn ? |
| 03:34.21 | Kirkburn | Look, you're .dk, what do you expect me to ask you about ... non Danish things? |
| 03:34.59 | Fisker- | i dislike danish music |
| 03:35.09 | Kirkburn | But ... Junior Senior! |
| 03:35.10 | Fisker- | i.e. i haet it and i want it to die |
| 03:35.11 | Fisker- | DIE |
| 03:35.16 | DuTempete | lol |
| 03:35.27 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 03:35.43 | Fisker- | do you see what you get Kirkburn? DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU MESS WITH THE WARRRRRIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR? |
| 03:36.55 | Kirkburn | A slightly amused expression? |
| 03:37.11 | DuTempete | A pink elephant? |
| 03:37.20 | Fisker- | :( |
| 03:37.55 | Kirkburn | your mom? |
| 03:38.17 | Fisker- | :) |
| 03:38.35 | pcj | [[WW:RFA#Pcj]] |
| 03:38.36 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:RFA#Pcj |
| 03:38.37 | DuTempete | in my pants? |
| 03:38.39 | pcj | is that good |
| 03:38.43 | Fisker- | no |
| 03:38.45 | Fisker- | whatever it is |
| 03:39.03 | Fisker- | imo i'm a better candidate |
| 03:39.05 | Fisker- | i troll |
| 03:39.10 | Fisker- | you need moar troll admins |
| 03:39.19 | pcj | lool |
| 03:39.30 | Sky2042 | "quality-ridden"? |
| 03:39.34 | Sky2042 | o_o |
| 03:39.57 | DuTempete | English is fun, Sky! |
| 03:39.57 | Fisker- | doesn't that mean opposite of what he wants it to mean? |
| 03:40.06 | DuTempete | lol no, Fisker :P |
| 03:40.07 | pcj | No |
| 03:40.21 | pcj | It means exactly what I want it to mean, damn it |
| 03:40.31 | DuTempete | psh, to hell with the trolls... you need moar gurl admins |
| 03:40.42 | pcj | doesn't adys count |
| 03:40.54 | DuTempete | adys is inactive :P |
| 03:41.00 | DuTempete | and I only said *moar* |
| 03:41.01 | pcj | hmm good point |
| 03:41.12 | Fisker- | adys is a girl?! |
| 03:41.12 | Fisker- | :O |
| 03:41.12 | Kirkburn | pcj, I do hope other readers "get" your message |
| 03:41.18 | Kirkburn | Who paid for it? |
| 03:41.30 | Kirkburn | And do we get a picture of you sitting on a desk? |
| 03:41.51 | pcj | Adys is French, which means he probably dresses in drag twice a week |
| 03:41.56 | Fisker- | i'd want in on that |
| 03:41.58 | Fisker- | definitely |
| 03:42.00 | DuTempete | lol |
| 03:42.11 | DuTempete | I think we're mixing jokes, ehre... |
| 03:42.12 | Fisker- | wears a thong each day, every day |
| 03:42.13 | Kirkburn | pcj, wait, Adys dresses in men's clothes twice a week? |
| 03:42.24 | pcj | Exactly |
| 03:42.37 | Kirkburn | Ah, he fools us expertly. |
| 03:42.48 | Fisker- | i'm hip with the internet community, i browse 4chan! |
| 03:43.00 | Kirkburn | No, that's just scary |
| 03:43.25 | Sky2042 | i r responded to pcj. |
| 03:43.46 | Sky2042 | question: why doesn't Fandyllic use the delete button?... |
| 03:43.51 | Kirkburn | It's like saying "I'm definitely a family man, I'm an axe-wielding maniac" |
| 03:44.06 | Kirkburn | Sky2042, because he's a good admin |
| 03:44.13 | Sky2042 | =( |
| 03:44.26 | Kirkburn | No, "touche" is the correct response :P |
| 03:44.37 | DuTempete | hehehe |
| 03:44.51 | Sky2042 | Sky2042_touche |
| 03:44.52 | pcj | Wait, I've seen you use the Delete button Kirkburn |
| 03:44.56 | Kirkburn | Unless something is an obvious delete, generally it's best if another admin take a look |
| 03:47.49 | Kirkburn | Especially in the article namespace, if it's in any way a controversial delete (to anyone), there should be some opportunity for others to take note |
| 03:48.26 | Sky2042_touche | naturally |
| 03:48.59 | Fisker- | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1199244455390.jpg :D |
| 03:49.06 | Kirkburn | As for images, I should mention, until 1.12a, we don't have the ability to restore them after deletion, so you gotta be extra careful there |
| 03:49.19 | Sky2042_touche | I haven't touched the ones I wasn't sure on. |
| 03:49.55 | Fisker- | hmm |
| 03:50.01 | Fisker- | thought they supported that a long time ago |
| 03:50.03 | Kirkburn | Yeah, no accusations, just wanted to mention it cause it'll make me dance |
| 03:50.38 | Kirkburn | Well, if it is supported already, it ain't turned on for us, but I'm sure it'll appear as a result of the upgrade |
| 03:52.09 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, awesome picture |
| 03:55.37 | DuTempete | I thought that when the revolution came, I was supposed to put my head between my knees, my hands behind my neck, and cry for my mommy? |
| 03:59.25 | Fisker- | definitely awesome |
| 04:03.57 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=2111524374&postId=21112454507&sid=1#11 |
| 04:03.57 | Fisker- | :D |
| 04:04.59 | Bibi | #care called Fisker-, they want you back. |
| 04:05.23 | Fisker- | just like your mother |
| 04:05.52 | Bibi | this was inappropriate. |
| 04:06.07 | Fisker- | no u |
| 04:06.19 | Bibi | anyway, January 2 |
| 04:06.26 | Bibi | holidays starting for Bibi ! |
| 04:06.43 | Bibi | blue posters will be back today, and I won't have to write news anymore |
| 04:07.20 | Fisker- | oh u |
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| 04:08.09 | Bibi | and yay, dawnstone in my bag of gems |
| 04:08.44 | Fisker- | i got 2 of those |
| 04:08.48 | Fisker- | and a living ruby |
| 04:09.20 | Bibi | exalted ? |
| 04:09.24 | Fisker- | yes |
| 04:09.31 | Bibi | i'm only revered :/ |
| 04:09.50 | Fisker- | owned |
| 04:09.52 | Fisker- | farm moar |
| 04:10.02 | Kirkburn | Well ain't you just all that, Bibi |
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| 04:10.40 | Bibi | can't really farm more on this character, I stopped playing on the server |
| 04:10.45 | Bagginsww | hmm I see an issue with the new character infobox... it doesn't allow for hybrid characters... |
| 04:10.51 | Amarande | ugh |
| 04:10.54 | Bagginsww | I mean hybrid race |
| 04:10.56 | Amarande | should I have gone to outland at 58 as a priest? |
| 04:10.56 | Bagginsww | like sargeras |
| 04:11.13 | Bibi | if you can kill 58/59 monsters, yes Amarande |
| 04:11.20 | Bibi | just go grind the buzzards |
| 04:12.04 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, assume it has a [[ and the start and a ]] at the end already |
| 04:12.29 | Bagginsww | ya that's the problem |
| 04:12.29 | Kirkburn | Fixing it the other way would probably take too long |
| 04:12.29 | Amarande | well, mainly 1) even some of the beginner quests at Thrallmar seem to be beyond my reach |
| 04:12.34 | Bagginsww | [[sargeras]] |
| 04:12.35 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/sargeras |
| 04:12.46 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, I mean, get rid of the start [[ and the end ]] |
| 04:12.51 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 04:13.01 | Amarande | Mainly due to some of the quest mobs being too close to other adds (as we know, adds are a priest's nightmare ...) |
| 04:13.16 | Amarande | 2) the fact that priests kill even-leveled mobs too slowly for the Outland mentality, apparently. |
| 04:13.46 | Amarande | At least, the impression I get of fel reavers is they're trying to force people to get in, kill a few mobs and get out instead of being able to grind indefinitely :P |
| 04:13.54 | Kirkburn | Is it me, or is the wiki going slow? |
| 04:14.03 | Bibi | well I just know that hunters can go here @ lvl 57, almost 56 |
| 04:14.05 | Sky2042_touche | it's me too. |
| 04:14.20 | Bibi | but hunters are grinding machines :/ |
| 04:14.25 | Amarande | Bibi: You're talking about hunters :P |
| 04:14.46 | Amarande | I'm going to gank the next person on thottbot who talks about how this or that quest was ridiculously easy for "my hunter and pet at (insert ridiculously low level here)" |
| 04:14.47 | DuTempete | Amarande, I would wait until 60, probably. |
| 04:14.48 | Bibi | yeah that's why I added a level or two |
| 04:15.10 | Bibi | well maybe you should start playing a decent class |
| 04:15.11 | Amarande | it's no wonder some people are calling for a big nerf on pets |
| 04:15.13 | DuTempete | I still had a bitch of a time with my holy priest at level 60, doing the lvl 58 quests |
| 04:15.27 | Amarande | Bibi: Okay, everyone will go and play "a decent class" |
| 04:15.34 | Amarande | Let's see how far you get in raid instances without priests :) |
| 04:15.38 | Amarande | heh |
| 04:15.44 | Bibi | I'm a hunter, people don't invite me in raid instances |
| 04:16.06 | Bibi | as far as I'm concerned, you can remove priests from the game ^^ |
| 04:16.20 | pcj | [[WW:RFA#Pcj]] |
| 04:16.20 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:RFA#Pcj |
| 04:16.23 | pcj | there you go sky |
| 04:18.36 | Bagginsww | hmm kirkburn that didn't have desired effects |
| 04:18.45 | Bibi | [SERVER] Restart in 13:00 |
| 04:18.45 | Bibi | :/ |
| 04:18.47 | Sky2042_touche | sounds good pcj. |
| 04:18.48 | Amarande | This comes after having done awesomely in Scholomance with a short-handed group that had a serious lack of tank (we had to rely on the warlock's pets and the fact that one of the players was a 70, basically) |
| 04:18.51 | Kirkburn|sleep | Bagginsww, yeah, weird |
| 04:19.02 | Sky2042_touche | not quite what I had in mind for a response, but it works. =) |
| 04:19.13 | Bibi | well Amarande , want to level fast in Outland with a holy priest ? |
| 04:19.18 | Sky2042_touche | i was more concerned about tagging WW:GUILD vios when they aren't all vios. |
| 04:19.20 | Bibi | get yourself a lvl 70 warrior and run hellfire remparts |
| 04:19.35 | Bibi | or just pull lvl 62+ monsters and get them killed by a 70 |
| 04:19.39 | Bibi | (ungroupped) |
| 04:19.39 | Kirkburn|sleep | Bagginsww, meet pcj, pcj, meet Baggins. /me throws npcbox into the mix ;) |
| 04:19.47 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 04:19.53 | pcj | lol wut? |
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| 04:20.06 | Kirkburn|sleep | npcbox doesn't support multiple races |
| 04:20.21 | pcj | Yeap, noticed that problem |
| 04:20.26 | Sky2042_touche | dum dum dum dummmmmmmm |
| 04:20.33 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm thinking an alternate line for multiraces? |
| 04:20.33 | Sky2042_touche | who's got a multiple race though? :/ |
| 04:20.38 | Kirkburn|sleep | Sargy |
| 04:20.40 | pcj | Illidan |
| 04:20.44 | pcj | Night elf/demon |
| 04:20.47 | Kirkburn|sleep | Bananaman |
| 04:20.58 | Kirkburn|sleep | Annoying kid/superhero |
| 04:21.00 | pcj | Yeah, alternate line would be fine |
| 04:21.01 | Sky2042_touche | just use {{{races}}} if included. |
| 04:21.03 | Bagginsww | almost any satyr |
| 04:21.04 | Amarande | actually, I'm a shadow specced priest |
| 04:21.09 | Bagginsww | any satyr is hybrid |
| 04:21.28 | Bagginsww | although most are night elf |
| 04:21.29 | Amarande | however, I have in general noticed that against even-level and slightly-higher mobs I have distinct difficulties that do not happen with, say, my hunter. |
| 04:21.32 | Sky2042_touche | or.. yeah. |
| 04:21.36 | Sky2042_touche | i'll be quiet now |
| 04:21.59 | Kirkburn|sleep | Amarande, that's cause are OP in PvE :) |
| 04:22.09 | Kirkburn|sleep | s/cause/cause hunters are/ |
| 04:22.25 | Sky2042_touche | is that .... |
| 04:22.39 | Kirkburn|sleep | Being able to keep a mob off you is amazingly useful, priests need an offtank for that |
| 04:22.50 | Kirkburn|sleep | I mean, a tank |
| 04:23.02 | Amarande | you mean OP in general, Kirkburn |
| 04:23.05 | Amarande | *cough* WSG *cough* |
| 04:23.09 | Kirkburn|sleep | I only PvE :P |
| 04:23.20 | Sky2042_touche | lol, Beastial Wrath ouch |
| 04:24.46 | Kirkburn|sleep | lul wut fear? |
| 04:25.07 | Sky2042_touche | lul aemdshot |
| 04:27.10 | Kirkburn|sleep | wut? |
| 04:27.22 | Sky2042_touche | duh |
| 04:27.40 | Kirkburn|sleep | I have lost favour :( |
| 04:27.55 | Bagginsww | [[dark titan]] |
| 04:27.55 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/dark_titan |
| 04:28.33 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 04:28.36 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 30436 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 8hrs 27mins 16secs. |
| 04:29.16 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 04:29.21 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 38390 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 0secs. |
| 04:29.31 | pcj | baggins, try races= |
| 04:29.37 | pcj | it's unformatted and unlinked |
| 04:29.41 | pcj | it also pre-empts race |
| 04:30.26 | Bagginsww | so category:racees= ? |
| 04:30.31 | Bagginsww | *races |
| 04:30.31 | pcj | no |
| 04:30.41 | pcj | {{npcbox |
| 04:30.44 | pcj | |name=Sargeras |
| 04:31.01 | pcj | |races=[[Demon Lord]], [[Lich King's Mother-in-Law]] |
| 04:31.02 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Lich_King's_Mother-in-Law |
| 04:31.10 | pcj | |level=30 kabillion |
| 04:31.11 | pcj | }} |
| 04:31.14 | Bagginsww | ok |
| 04:31.20 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 04:32.07 | Kirkburn|sleep | Disturbingly accurate |
| 04:33.22 | Bagginsww | ya, LOL |
| 04:34.00 | Kirkburn|sleep | Hmm, or possibly grandmother |
| 04:34.37 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 04:35.11 | Bagginsww | so uh kiljaeden is the mother? |
| 04:35.19 | Sky2042 | lol, wtf |
| 04:35.23 | Sky2042 | it works now. |
| 04:35.28 | pcj | What does |
| 04:36.02 | Kirkburn|sleep | Bagginsww, yeah |
| 04:36.14 | Kirkburn|sleep | totally :) |
| 04:36.17 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm off now |
| 04:36.18 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 04:36.52 | Kirkburn|sleep | A mother who's lost control of her daughter, and isn't pleased with her choice of boyfriend |
| 04:37.06 | Bagginsww | Lawl |
| 04:37.30 | Kirkburn|sleep | Sorry, I lost the theme, "her choice of girlfriend". |
| 04:37.35 | Bagginsww | Let me guess s/he is also a class [[Lumberjack]], ;) |
| 04:37.56 | pcj | And that's ok! |
| 04:38.01 | Bagginsww | Heh heh |
| 04:38.18 | Kirkburn|sleep | There's only one real man in Warcraft |
| 04:38.45 | Bagginsww | oh? |
| 04:38.48 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm flattered |
| 04:39.03 | Kirkburn|sleep | Sleeping with the fishes |
| 04:39.27 | Kirkburn|sleep | I'm a slow drowner |
| 04:40.15 | Kirkburn|sleep | Okay, okay, zZzTempete is pestering me :P |
| 04:40.19 | Kirkburn|sleep | G'night all! |
| 04:40.34 | zZzTempete | g'night everyone ;) |
| 04:40.40 | pcj | ...lol |
| 04:40.53 | pcj | you guys don't even live in the same house and you're going to sleep together? |
| 04:41.10 | zZzTempete | 5.75 days... |
| 04:43.40 | Sky2042 | pcj: the regex you gave me |
| 04:43.52 | pcj | attempted to take over the world? |
| 04:43.58 | pcj | I should've added an extra \ |
| 04:44.00 | pcj | ...damn |
| 04:44.09 | Sky2042 | turn on bot edits on recentchanges =) |
| 04:45.50 | pcj | k |
| 04:47.50 | Sky2042 | tnhis is fuujuuuuun |
| 04:48.02 | pcj | k |
| 04:48.17 | Sky2042 | you have no clue |
| 04:48.19 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 04:51.45 | pcj | is that a question i'm supposed to be able to answer |
| 04:52.01 | Sky2042 | aye |
| 04:53.08 | pcj | k |
| 04:53.13 | pcj | probably |
| 04:53.23 | Sky2042 | mk |
| 04:55.35 | Bagginsww | so has anyone played twilight princess that can give me a hint on how to get a certain chest :p |
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| 04:56.32 | pcj | ...sorry not finished with hello kitty island adventure yet |
| 04:56.41 | Bagginsww | there is such a game? |
| 04:56.44 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 04:56.53 | Bagginsww | I'm sure Zelda is superior, ;) |
| 04:57.13 | pcj | aha |
| 04:57.33 | Sky2042 | scoooooooooooooooore |
| 05:02.46 | Amarande | ok, those mobs were easier than I thought |
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| 05:07.20 | Sky2042 | pcj: what's the Laurlybot for a quest page? |
| 05:07.34 | pcj | {{User:Laurlybot/Doquests}} |
| 05:07.34 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:User:Laurlybot/Doquests |
| 05:07.39 | Sky2042 | with an s. |
| 05:09.54 | Amarande | I've never quite understood Laurlybot |
| 05:10.13 | pcj | why |
| 05:10.54 | Bagginsww | I need a good screenshot of a dreadsteed for gorgon article :) |
| 05:11.32 | pcj | level a warlock to 60 then |
| 05:12.52 | Bagginsww | eh, I know there are people that do fancy screengrabs using model viewers :p |
| 05:13.13 | pcj | ask varghedin |
| 05:13.22 | Bagginsww | I'm going to check Monster Guide too |
| 05:13.26 | Sky2042 | pcj: the character "-" is considered a special one for regexs, isn't it? |
| 05:14.01 | pcj | http://www.regular-expressions.info/reference.html |
| 05:14.31 | Sky2042 | pft |
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| 05:56.08 | Zeal | back and caught up reading.. bah. |
| 05:56.23 | Zeal | hope everyone has a happy new years |
| 05:56.26 | Zeal | *had |
| 05:56.38 | Zeal | <+pcj> foxlit/kirkburn can you add the class "itemlink" to {{loot}} <-- yay, finally |
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| 06:07.40 | `jaaku | morning. |
| 06:07.54 | Zeal | lo |
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| 06:15.36 | `jaaku | is it possible to see who wrote an article on wowwiki? |
| 06:15.41 | pcj | yes |
| 06:15.46 | Arideni | Anyone here know a css hack I can use for width in opera? |
| 06:15.49 | pcj | just click the history tab at the top |
| 06:16.04 | `jaaku | i wonder who wrote that shadowpriest pvp article. gotta register :S |
| 06:17.36 | `jaaku | how come i knew the same guy wrote those articles :/ |
| 06:18.07 | Zeal | if you need to do width seperate in any browser, you're likely doing something else wrong (margin, padding, quirks mode). |
| 06:19.56 | Arideni | Zeal: I have a list used for a nav menu & I actually forgot why now to think of it, but I needed to set width: auto; for opera only. Other browsers should see width: 8em; |
| 06:20.10 | Arideni | It appears to be working in Opera 9 so I don't even know why I had that put in my document, well it is 1:22AM lol |
| 06:21.02 | Zeal | hehe |
| 06:27.31 | Zeal | hm.. someone might want to fix the hieght for div.NavFrame div.NavHead, should have a fixed min-hieght in px to match the tallest icon used in itc (atm, wotlk) atm the icons spill over outside it. |
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| 06:47.04 | `jaaku | someone also might want to fix that line about druids removing diseases in a certain pvp guide. |
| 06:48.54 | Arideni | I would so fix that, lol, but I have about 6 tabs being simultaneously used (another 3 inactive) & working with 2 documents while browsing a thesaurus & IM'ing friends |
| 06:49.08 | Arideni | Give me the link to the article & if no one fixes it I'll take a look when I get time |
| 06:54.56 | `jaaku | Thanks, i'd do it myself, but i am kind of sure i would never again log into wowwiki anyway, since you can look up all you need without being registered. |
| 06:56.04 | Sky2042_afk | Thoughts for the future: require people to register for wowwiki, hopelessly sucking them into editing. |
| 06:56.05 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 06:57.01 | `jaaku | well i never really paid attention, so this was the first flaw i found in there |
| 06:58.37 | Sky2042_afk | fine. he's ending up blocked. |
| 06:58.54 | `jaaku | but druids curing diseases scared the shit out of me, i began to wonder whether i just suck. |
| 06:59.37 | `jaaku | and i seriously logged into wow and opened my spellbook :x |
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| 07:02.45 | Sky2042_afk | last I checked, durids can heal poinso |
| 07:03.42 | `jaaku | and remove curses |
| 07:04.17 | Sky2042_afk | aye |
| 07:04.22 | Sky2042_afk | but Mages usually get to do that. |
| 07:05.01 | `jaaku | probably in pve, but i quit pve'ing |
| 07:05.49 | `jaaku | and in arenas you will see like....well 20 durids in 20 games |
| 07:06.00 | `jaaku | at least i get that feeling. |
| 07:06.38 | Sky2042_afk | nah. only 19. |
| 07:06.40 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 07:08.32 | `jaaku | and they're all resto. yesterday i saw a durid named "wegrennlol", which is german and would be something like "runningawaylol" in english |
| 07:08.57 | `jaaku | i felt owned. |
| 07:11.58 | kd3 | wth... Digg thinks SC2 could be coming for the 360 |
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| 07:15.08 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 07:15.11 | Sky2042_afk | nowai |
| 07:15.27 | Sky2042_afk | they tried SC on N64. It failed horribly. |
| 07:15.40 | Sky2042_afk | consoles + rts = bad combination. |
| 07:16.23 | `jaaku | sc as in starcraft? |
| 07:16.38 | Sky2042_afk | aye |
| 07:16.51 | `jaaku | that would be like playing some game from the 10th layer of hell. |
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| 07:17.56 | `jaaku | nevermind Ariendi, i'm gonna edit it. |
| 07:18.02 | `jaaku | i just decided to register :/ |
| 07:18.17 | `jaaku | Arideni* |
| 07:18.42 | Sky2042_afk | DUM DUM DUM |
| 07:18.48 | Sky2042_afk | welcome to hell! |
| 07:18.50 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 07:19.30 | `jaaku | after i read about hunters having a 3 yard minrange and durids casting healing wave |
| 07:19.49 | `jaaku | i began to hate that guide. |
| 07:21.29 | `jaaku | "Your account has been created." = hell? |
| 07:25.49 | Sky2042_afk | yup. |
| 07:25.51 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 07:27.41 | `jaaku | damn |
| 07:28.00 | `jaaku | i kind of just experienced hell |
| 07:28.09 | `jaaku | i thought i'll edit those 3 lines |
| 07:28.15 | `jaaku | and then i found like another 6 |
| 07:28.16 | `jaaku | :/ |
| 07:28.35 | Sky2042_afk | >:) |
| 07:28.44 | Sky2042_afk | I told you, welcome to hell. |
| 07:31.08 | `jaaku | is it okay to just flug everything as a minor edit? |
| 07:31.16 | Sky2042_afk | "flug"> |
| 07:31.16 | `jaaku | flag* |
| 07:31.18 | Sky2042_afk | ? |
| 07:31.23 | `jaaku | typo |
| 07:32.05 | Sky2042_afk | if you're changing more than spelling, probably best to leave it a normal edit with a comment. i personally overflag minor edits |
| 07:32.24 | `jaaku | you "overflag" them? |
| 07:32.46 | Sky2042_afk | i flag too many edits as minor* |
| 07:32.57 | `jaaku | ah, i see |
| 07:33.20 | `jaaku | well, adding a comment to every edit could become a pain in the ass |
| 07:33.40 | `jaaku | and really annoying, depending on how many edits i'll have to make |
| 07:34.06 | Sky2042_afk | people at wikipedia do it for every edit; some of them have over 10k. there are a few in the realm of 60k edits |
| 07:34.13 | Sky2042_afk | ;) |
| 07:35.20 | `jaaku | i'm in hell. that's gonna be the longest morning i ever had :/ |
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| 07:47.08 | Arideni | `jaaku: That's how I got started, though I haven't edited very much at all, usually a spelling error, etc. I was reading pages at one point so often (in the lore section) that I got hooked - from there on, I just fix little errors like that when I see them, if I have time. They're easily looked over |
| 07:48.56 | `jaaku | up to now, i just made factual corrections |
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| 07:49.39 | `jaaku | at least i think that's what you would call it when durids cure diseases. |
| 07:57.45 | `jaaku | is ranged damage the same as melee damage? |
| 07:57.59 | `jaaku | hunters for example. |
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| 08:22.02 | Arideni | `jaaku: No, they are quite different. |
| 08:22.19 | `jaaku | i was quite sure they are |
| 08:22.25 | `jaaku | didn't change it yet though |
| 08:22.53 | `jaaku | as it says "melee attacks", that would mean ranged damage will not trigger it |
| 08:22.55 | `jaaku | right? |
| 08:23.16 | Arideni | Melee damage is not ranged damage, but they both deal damage which is equivalent in value |
| 08:23.46 | Arideni | `jaaku: I would presume you are correct, since it specified. |
| 08:24.02 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Guildwatch: Too much holiday cheer - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/guildwatch-too-much-holiday-cheer/ |
| 08:24.26 | `jaaku | i know touch of weakness is not triggered by spells |
| 08:24.41 | `jaaku | i never paid attention wether it procs against hunters though |
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| 08:25.14 | Bagginsw | is it just me or is this an example of how not to use templates |
| 08:25.17 | Arideni | That would be classified as dealing physical damage vs magical |
| 08:25.23 | Bagginsw | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ered%27ruin |
| 08:25.24 | Bagginsw | its ugly |
| 08:25.30 | Arideni | a ranged attack can be either |
| 08:25.33 | Bagginsw | the templates totally overtake the entire article |
| 08:25.43 | Pzyk | whoa |
| 08:26.45 | Bagginsw | maybe if the templates were autohidden it would be better |
| 08:28.25 | `jaaku | That was my first guess, but i figured i would not change anything until im 100% sure ;x |
| 08:28.45 | Pzyk | eww |
| 08:28.48 | Pzyk | you took em out |
| 08:29.26 | Pzyk | how's this? |
| 08:30.16 | Bagginsw | ya better authidden |
| 08:30.22 | Bagginsw | if they have to be there :p |
| 08:30.37 | Bagginsw | actually I'd personally suggest it only needs one of the two templates not both |
| 08:30.45 | Bagginsw | burning legion preferred |
| 08:30.49 | `jaaku | "Keep your back away from the Rogue if they're carrying a dagger, and your front away from the rogue if otherwise." |
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| 08:31.05 | Pzyk | -_-; |
| 08:31.15 | Pzyk | keep your back away from the rogue always |
| 08:31.21 | `jaaku | can anyone tell me why the hell you would turn your back to a rogue |
| 08:31.22 | Pzyk | where was this little gem from? |
| 08:31.26 | `jaaku | lol |
| 08:31.33 | `jaaku | a shadowpriest pvp guide.... |
| 08:31.38 | `jaaku | im editing it since |
| 08:31.39 | `jaaku | uhm |
| 08:31.49 | Pzyk | well you could use it to avoid gouge I guess |
| 08:32.00 | `jaaku | about half past 7 |
| 08:32.25 | `jaaku | a rogue would not gouge a priest |
| 08:32.32 | `jaaku | he would simply rape him, because he can |
| 08:33.01 | `jaaku | and gouge = 5,5 seks less of weakened soul = more shields |
| 08:33.26 | Pzyk | same for rogues though |
| 08:33.39 | `jaaku | same for rogues? |
| 08:33.42 | Pzyk | stuns |
| 08:33.47 | `jaaku | yea, true. |
| 08:33.50 | `jaaku | however |
| 08:34.09 | Pzyk | oh shit |
| 08:34.13 | Pzyk | 2x tuesday |
| 08:34.20 | Pzyk | must order some food |
| 08:34.23 | `jaaku | do you actually think the author is capable of thinking about gouge while he's talking about druids curing diseases? |
| 08:34.24 | `jaaku | :x |
| 08:34.28 | Arideni | Gouge comes up when you need to interrupt casting or prevent movement. |
| 08:35.19 | `jaaku | they have shiv :x |
| 08:35.37 | Pzyk | shiv won't stop a heal though |
| 08:35.45 | Pzyk | unless MACE STUN A#%A$~! |
| 08:36.04 | `jaaku | lol! im a shadowpriest! i dont heal! |
| 08:36.07 | `jaaku | just kidding |
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| 08:37.06 | Arideni | Shiv is for slowing, not for stopping* |
| 08:37.13 | Pzyk | close enough |
| 08:37.17 | `jaaku | i'll just let that "always turn your back to rogues if they're not dagger specced" slide |
| 08:37.56 | Arideni | You can slow a player & they can still turn around, if they are incapacitated... |
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| 08:38.32 | `jaaku | yea, sure |
| 08:38.33 | Arideni | I don't really see how "always turn your back to rogues if they're not dagger specced" is useful advice, situational at most & apparently controversial. |
| 08:38.44 | Pzyk | it's not something they should worry about |
| 08:38.54 | `jaaku | ofc i know that gouge is useful, i have a rogue myself |
| 08:38.56 | Pzyk | a rogue is going to find a way some how |
| 08:39.08 | Pzyk | especially when priests don't have a snare |
| 08:39.09 | Arideni | Perhaps it would be better to say, "Rogues who use daggers commonly attempt to attack a player from the back" etc |
| 08:39.28 | `jaaku | but the fact that he's indicating shadowpriest has autowin vs. rogues if he shields himself before a duel |
| 08:39.35 | `jaaku | is kind of ridiculous |
| 08:39.37 | Pzyk | eww |
| 08:40.23 | `jaaku | a good rogue kills me in like 30seconds |
| 08:40.29 | Pzyk | HARP rogues are ridiculous at this point that any good player will win with one |
| 08:40.33 | `jaaku | and i have 495 resilience / 12k hp on my priest.... |
| 08:40.35 | Arideni | With Prayer of Mending before the changes, it was proven in a 1v1 situation a priest could kill a rogue without even directly dealing damage. |
| 08:40.59 | Pzyk | lol instant heals ftw? |
| 08:41.11 | Arideni | That was pre-2.1 I think |
| 08:41.14 | `jaaku | that was before the changes though |
| 08:41.33 | `jaaku | and he does not even mention healing himself |
| 08:41.51 | Arideni | yeah |
| 08:41.56 | `jaaku | oh wait |
| 08:41.58 | `jaaku | he does |
| 08:42.18 | `jaaku | that shocked me. |
| 08:42.44 | Pzyk | eww |
| 08:42.49 | Pzyk | says shadow priests lack burst |
| 08:42.57 | Pzyk | when was this written? |
| 08:43.10 | `jaaku | long ago. |
| 08:43.15 | Arideni | Probably when Bubble won duels |
| 08:43.18 | `jaaku | before i edited some it said |
| 08:43.26 | Arideni | or before, and just amended, lol |
| 08:43.26 | `jaaku | fear ward has a 10min duration |
| 08:43.29 | `jaaku | and 30sec cd. |
| 08:43.43 | Arideni | That's a fairly recent change, though (imo) |
| 08:43.57 | `jaaku | well true. |
| 08:44.06 | `jaaku | but devouring plague is a disease since release imho |
| 08:44.07 | `jaaku | ;x |
| 08:44.10 | Arideni | I haven't played since 2.1 so I can't interject but so much |
| 08:44.16 | Arideni | Lol |
| 08:44.25 | Arideni | Yeah, rly |
| 08:44.37 | `jaaku | okay. |
| 08:44.46 | `jaaku | interesting |
| 08:44.53 | `jaaku | he's going to manaburn a shaman |
| 08:45.10 | Arideni | It's good you're updating stuff like that, nice to see that with all the changes goin' about |
| 08:45.13 | Arideni | It'll only get worse when 3.0 hits |
| 08:45.58 | `jaaku | why? :O |
| 08:47.04 | Arideni | Because things about class abilities & talents which are currently out of date, will only become more so when 3.0 comes |
| 08:47.09 | Zeal | mmm.. gief IE8 |
| 08:47.22 | Arideni | It won't matter if or when they become updated, but their age will be even more prevalent. |
| 08:47.42 | Arideni | Zeal: are they "fixing" hasLayout in ie8? |
| 08:48.44 | `jaaku | according to that guide every shaman is melee specced and ele shamans have huge casting times |
| 08:49.06 | `jaaku | i guess this was pre- bloodlust and lightning overload too.... |
| 08:51.41 | Zeal | why wouldn't they? |
| 08:53.13 | Arideni | Zeal: they didn't "fix" it in ie7 afaik |
| 08:53.26 | Zeal | they didn't intend to |
| 08:53.41 | Arideni | It seems everyone is so adjusted to using hacks they didn't even bother |
| 08:53.48 | `jaaku | does stuff like "I hate warlocks. They are (for me) easily the hardest class to beat" belong into an article? |
| 08:54.00 | Arideni | I haven't read up on IE8, any comments on it? |
| 08:54.01 | `jaaku | seems rather personal :S |
| 08:54.28 | Arideni | lol, it's definitely biased |
| 08:55.20 | Zeal | http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/ |
| 08:56.55 | Arideni | ty |
| 08:56.57 | `jaaku | "You could try reading up on the official forums, but I find them a little too depressing." wtf.... |
| 08:57.02 | Zeal | and i can actually confirm, hasLayout is gone. |
| 08:57.25 | Arideni | `jaaku: I vote that one stays intact. |
| 08:57.41 | `jaaku | i didn't edit it |
| 08:57.42 | `jaaku | :x |
| 08:57.49 | Zeal | http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2007Dec/0151.html |
| 08:58.15 | Arideni | Zeal: bout time, lol |
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| 08:58.53 | Pzyk | honestly, I'd just slap a "this is outdated" on every pvp page every time a patch comes around |
| 08:59.49 | `jaaku | yea, true |
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| 08:59.56 | `jaaku | however most of it was just plain wrong |
| 08:59.59 | `jaaku | and not outdated |
| 09:00.02 | Arideni | I think only general advice should be given. Only something that doesn't require updating if an ability is slightly changed or added. |
| 09:00.03 | Pzyk | delete it! |
| 09:00.40 | Pzyk | only problem is that blizzard loves changing PVP mechanics in a huge way. |
| 09:00.49 | `jaaku | true |
| 09:01.10 | `jaaku | i just did minor changes though |
| 09:01.55 | `jaaku | i didn't want to completely change the article and spread my opinion of shadowpriests losing against rogues and not facing them backwards |
| 09:02.20 | `jaaku | i just didn't like druids curing devouring plagues etc :/ |
| 09:02.21 | Arideni | For example: Rogues have a natural advantage against cloth classes, including Priests, however there are certain tactics which can be adapted to suit different situations. ...leading up to...When facing off against a rogue, be mindful of their attacks; they have a tendency to attack from behind, especially if using daggers. |
| 09:02.41 | Pzyk | =/ |
| 09:02.59 | Arideni | Something like that wouldn't go out of date if they changed how bubble worked, for example. |
| 09:03.10 | `jaaku | yes, that's what i would have done, but if i actually decided to edit it in that way |
| 09:03.13 | Arideni | You can get even more exact and still not lose detail |
| 09:03.21 | `jaaku | i would be editing that article until tomorrow |
| 09:03.53 | Arideni | `jaaku: you could edit paragraphs & place them in the talk page for review, maybe |
| 09:04.07 | Arideni | or paste here, for commentary |
| 09:04.08 | Pzyk | it'd need a lot more manpower than we have |
| 09:04.43 | `jaaku | i'd rather go smoke now and get something to eat. |
| 09:05.03 | Arideni | can I have some of whatever you're eating? anything except snails or middle eastern |
| 09:05.09 | `jaaku | btw, this one was epic: |
| 09:05.13 | `jaaku | "(Factual correction - shadowform does not actually decrease all sources of dmg.)" |
| 09:05.23 | Pzyk | waowaowao |
| 09:05.25 | Kalroth | o rly? |
| 09:05.27 | Pzyk | just |
| 09:05.30 | `jaaku | rly. |
| 09:06.21 | Arideni | physical & magical damage, yes? |
| 09:06.25 | Arideni | What other types are there for players? |
| 09:06.27 | `jaaku | I don't know what i'll be eating yet, but i'll let you know if it was snails :S |
| 09:07.00 | Arideni | oh, I think I read it wrong |
| 09:08.13 | Arideni | cya going to kitchen, Lol |
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| 09:26.15 | jaaku | arena vendors in nagrand still there? or was it just for the first weeks of s3? :S |
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| 09:35.35 | Kamik | hey guys |
| 09:38.53 | Niat | g'morning everyone! |
| 09:40.10 | Kamik | morning |
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| 09:41.10 | Royal | Good morning |
| 09:41.55 | Royal | Quick question, seeing how Blizzard does not allow naming and shaming on the realmforums, I thought it would be interesting to set up a different page for it (just for my server) |
| 09:42.28 | Royal | Would be sweet if I were able to add it to the Wiki page - Wanted to know if that's allowed |
| 09:42.37 | Royal | Naming and shaming, that is. |
| 09:44.05 | Royal | Botters overrun AV, it's so bad nowadays that even some respected players are doing it... I guess a 3 day ban by Blizzard isn't exactly scary enough to stop people from getting free honor |
| 09:46.13 | Kalroth | I'd go out on a limb here and say; hell no. |
| 09:46.57 | Royal | Why not then... The ToU don't say anything about it I think, it's just some Forum rule of Blizz? |
| 09:47.27 | Royal | It's so annoying that these people are 'protected' :x |
| 09:47.32 | Royal | doesnt* |
| 09:48.13 | Kalroth | The amount of flames that it'll generate will be silly. Not to mention it's rather pointless. Do you really think they'll care about their name on some random page, when they don't mind botting their way to already free epics? |
| 09:49.25 | Royal | I'm pretty sure they'll care... Flames etc. would be moderated - you could even go as far as only allowing someones name up there with some screenshot or vid as proof |
| 09:49.43 | Royal | Just a name with small description of what he/she did, no flames on the page itself |
| 09:49.53 | Royal | if the player gets flamed for it ingame - so be it ... you think thats unfair? |
| 09:51.13 | Royal | About the not caring part, reputation is pretty much THE thing that gets you anywhere in WoW. Even if they eventually get their epics, if they are known morons there will prolly be a lot guilds/players that avoid these people |
| 09:51.17 | Kalroth | Don't get me wrong, I'm all against botting and afking in battlegrounds. I think it's utter shit and it often ruins my own gaming. I'm just stating that naming and shaming doesn't lead to anything good. |
| 09:52.08 | Kalroth | Especially not on a site like WoWWiki. But until the admins wake up, I can't tell you it's against the rules, because I can't find anything about it. |
| 09:52.24 | Royal | I used to think the same, but it got so bad now that I had to rethink all of this... You can tell just by the amount of name & shame posts that are emerging on our realms forum that people are starting to be fed up... |
| 09:53.11 | Royal | These 3 day bans that the botters are getting (if at all) aren't exactly scaring them away from botting. So now honest players are even risking a week forumban just to try and stop this shit |
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| 09:54.23 | Kalroth | Well that's where we disagree. :) I don't believe naming and shaming will stop them from botting. |
| 09:54.39 | Royal | :) |
| 09:54.53 | Royal | At least it's better than ignoring it :( |
| 09:54.57 | Kalroth | With the current amount of players doing it, it's no longer a problem with the players, it's a problem with the game. |
| 09:55.24 | Kalroth | The punishment isn't harsh enough, so more do it. When more do it, it gets more "legal" and so on. |
| 09:55.34 | Royal | Exactly, and unfortunately Blizz doesn't seem to do anything about it.. theres known botters on our realms who have been reported a gazillion times, some players even made vids I think - yet they still bot every day |
| 09:55.42 | Royal | true |
| 09:55.53 | Royal | and when that happens the citizens form a vigilante |
| 09:55.59 | Royal | if thats how you say it in English :) |
| 09:56.22 | Royal | take action in their own hands... guess it's wrong, but until Blizz takes action it's the best there is imo |
| 09:56.52 | Kalroth | Sure, but there isn't much action to be taken. You can keep a list of players that Blizzard doesn't punish and the player themself can ignore, simply because the list is so big. |
| 09:56.57 | Royal | I'd love to ignore it as well... but with the amount of botters in every AV game nowadays it's kinda hard to :( |
| 09:57.35 | Royal | Hmm, you have a good point there :) But I still believe that the (fear of a) blow to their reputation will be a good enough reason for a lot of them to stop botting |
| 09:57.43 | Kalroth | The only thing the list will accomplish is to point the problem out to Blizzard and they're already well aware of it. |
| 09:59.00 | Kalroth | Anyways, you should talk to Kirkburn about it. When he wakes up, that is. |
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| 09:59.28 | Royal | I don't know, you made me more depressed now about this whole subject :P |
| 09:59.44 | Royal | About the list not resulting to anything anyway :D |
| 09:59.51 | Royal | Will see |
| 09:59.52 | Kalroth | Don't be, it's just a game :) AV is getting changed again in 2.4 |
| 10:00.02 | Kalroth | Until then, I highly doubt Blizzard will change anything. |
| 10:00.16 | Kamik | what are the changes? |
| 10:00.19 | Royal | Hmyeah, unfortunately |
| 10:00.57 | Kalroth | Well they're going to allow organized groups in AV again. Also there should be some guild vs guild stuff for battlegrounds. |
| 10:01.13 | Kalroth | Nothing confirmed though, only rumours and/or guesses though. |
| 10:01.35 | Royal | That'll prolly mean there will be nothing but botters left in the non-guild games ;) |
| 10:01.45 | Kalroth | I doubt they'll change anything in the actual layout of AV. |
| 10:02.07 | Royal | Since TBC the changes made to the game are all in favor of casual gamers.. no wonder people are all botting - everyone got so damn lazy |
| 10:02.17 | Royal | sparkling herbs and boosted XP, gimme a break. |
| 10:02.21 | sacarasc | got? |
| 10:02.26 | Royal | Not to mention that every inaginable NPC is trackable now... |
| 10:02.27 | sacarasc | i was always lazy |
| 10:02.31 | sacarasc | thank you very much |
| 10:02.36 | Kalroth | Even though Balinda should be harder. The NPCs in alliance base should fuck off. There should be more than one entrance to alliance base, etc. etc. |
| 10:02.36 | Royal | ^^ |
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| 10:03.09 | sacarasc | i've only ever done 1 AV |
| 10:03.15 | Royal | hehe |
| 10:03.19 | sacarasc | i was a healer and died a lot ;( |
| 10:03.24 | Kalroth | I'm exalted on 2 characters, almost 3. :) |
| 10:03.36 | Royal | Everyone wants the Season 1 epics now.. another thing Blizz did for casuals :( |
| 10:03.44 | Royal | Couldve at least made them blue items ;( |
| 10:04.15 | sacarasc | epics like them are the only ones i can see me ever getting ;( |
| 10:04.16 | Kalroth | Meh, it's just a color. It used to mean something, but that changed in TBC. |
| 10:04.21 | Royal | Until 2 weeks ago I havent played for 6 months because I was fed up with TBC, tbh it only got worse |
| 10:04.56 | Royal | I already quit once at TBC release, started playing again in april or so, just to quit again in summer - giev pre-TBC :( |
| 10:05.45 | sacarasc | Royal: could be worse... my realm has totally gone to shit... an RP realm with less RPing than if you trained monkeys to play |
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| 10:06.00 | Royal | That's a shame :( |
| 10:06.15 | Kalroth | WoW isn't much of an roleplaying game. |
| 10:06.16 | Royal | always wanted to play RPPvP.. but couldnt be arsed to move or restart a char |
| 10:06.17 | *** mode/#wowwiki [-o sannse] by sannse_ |
| 10:06.23 | Royal | unfrotunately |
| 10:06.34 | Royal | just some basic RP rules _should_ be enforced in any realm though, imo |
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| 10:06.37 | Kalroth | sannse is a hacker! |
| 10:06.52 | Royal | Running into someone named Ihealyou or Nightelfrogue just ruins it. |
| 10:06.58 | sannse | you mean, she knows IRC comands? ;) |
| 10:07.01 | Kalroth | Legolassss |
| 10:07.05 | Royal | Xxroguex is a popular one as well |
| 10:07.22 | Kalroth | sannse: Same difference! |
| 10:07.38 | sannse | :P |
| 10:07.40 | Royal | Yeah although Legolas still sounds pretty cool, can't say that about Ihealyou! |
| 10:08.43 | sacarasc | Eyehealyou! |
| 10:09.21 | jaaku | i rerolled last week |
| 10:09.26 | jaaku | on an rp pvp realm <3 |
| 10:09.42 | Kalroth | And there will always be people picking stupid names. |
| 10:09.55 | sacarasc | i got some friends on an rp pvp realm... i should go join them some time... |
| 10:11.22 | Royal | most of my friends stopped playing, couldnt get them to start again when I did |
| 10:11.30 | jaaku | yea, i saw a lvl 55 warrior rp'ing in silvermoon |
| 10:11.30 | Royal | Can't blaim them really :) |
| 10:11.36 | jaaku | and his nick was....deadwarrior... |
| 10:11.38 | jaaku | :/ |
| 10:11.41 | Royal | blame* |
| 10:11.47 | Royal | hehe |
| 10:12.19 | Royal | On a regular server that would still be pretty ok compared to other crap names, but on RP... :( |
| 10:12.31 | jaaku | yup |
| 10:12.42 | jaaku | i wanted to call my druid pedobare |
| 10:12.54 | Royal | It's those little things that started messing up the game for me way before TBC, although it was easy to ignore it then |
| 10:13.02 | Royal | haha |
| 10:13.05 | jaaku | then i realized i wouldn't want that when i saw the realm was rp pvp :x |
| 10:14.58 | jaaku | and now he's named thyran :X |
| 10:15.44 | Royal | Nothing wrong with that! |
| 10:16.36 | jaaku | i'll have nightmares farming honor for s1 gear when i hit 70 |
| 10:16.50 | jaaku | i hate bg's |
| 10:17.31 | jaaku | though warsong as a resto druid is probably fun, just running around with flags |
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| 10:17.59 | jaaku | gotta get that sleep-on-hit chestpiece and the frostnova-on-hit ring from scarlet monastary ^^ |
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| 10:33.04 | Lukian | jaaku, my friend got that the other day xD -- had no idea what to do with it at high level |
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| 10:44.56 | Kamik | anyone here that plays on deathwing who would like to get a eye of the storm pug started? pm me please! |
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| 10:58.04 | Lukian | Kamik, a) you didn't specify faction |
| 10:58.21 | Lukian | b) you have about a 1% chance that there's someone on that realm in here. |
| 11:00.06 | Kamik | are the majority of players in channel from different servers? |
| 11:00.16 | Pzyk | probably. |
| 11:00.52 | Kamik | would you guys know of any irc servers/channels that have a wow server chat? |
| 11:01.35 | Pzyk | try looking on your own realm forums |
| 11:01.40 | Pzyk | to see if there's an irc |
| 11:02.25 | Kamik | good idea |
| 11:09.27 | jaaku | .... |
| 11:09.31 | jaaku | this gotta be a joke |
| 11:09.45 | jaaku | i just critted a primal mooncloth priest |
| 11:09.58 | jaaku | for 5,5k with berserk + shred in warsong |
| 11:10.31 | Pzyk | anything can happen when people try to pvp in 0 resilience |
| 11:10.44 | jaaku | ye ofc but |
| 11:11.01 | jaaku | shred has an energy cost similiar to a sinister strike |
| 11:11.15 | jaaku | where in the world do sinister strikes crit for 5,5k |
| 11:12.06 | Pzyk | in a world with berzerker and 0 armor |
| 11:12.34 | jaaku | maybe :S |
| 11:12.35 | Pzyk | try hemo though |
| 11:12.46 | jaaku | i have hemo on my rogue |
| 11:13.27 | jaaku | the feral im playing right now is not my char, i don't have the time to have 20 alts :S |
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| 12:27.56 | Fisker- | haha Bibi |
| 12:28.55 | Fisker- | they already announced that the podcast slated for this week will have 2.4 info |
| 12:29.12 | Kalroth | Bibi is here again?! |
| 12:30.08 | Pzyk | WTB 2.4 to come out faster |
| 12:31.22 | Fisker- | i just want 2.3.2 |
| 12:31.34 | Pzyk | rogue nerf go go go |
| 12:31.53 | Pzyk | that's all I remember |
| 12:47.57 | Dotted | and i dont care at all |
| 12:47.58 | Dotted | so i win |
| 12:48.20 | Dotted | btw Fisker-, sniper TF2 nerf ftl |
| 12:51.49 | Bibi | Fisker- : I know |
| 12:52.03 | Bibi | It's not like I've got tons of news to post lately |
| 12:52.08 | Bibi | and stop crying Dotted |
| 12:52.11 | Bibi | they nerfed my spy to death |
| 12:52.46 | Dotted | its anooying there is a delay ón switching weapons, atleast they could have made it like in CS, tards |
| 12:53.13 | Dotted | no matter anyway i can barely play as a sniper with my current mouse |
| 12:54.02 | Dotted | if i only move it abit its precision drops to zero which makes it impossible to aim |
| 13:00.41 | Bibi | but they nerfed my spy |
| 13:00.45 | Bibi | THEY NERFED IT DOTTED ! |
| 13:00.56 | Dotted | i care |
| 13:00.58 | Dotted | so much |
| 13:01.03 | Bibi | engineers are going to be god soon :/ |
| 13:01.09 | Dotted | ye |
| 13:01.15 | Bibi | they slighty reduced the range of sappers |
| 13:01.21 | Bibi | you can't sap from behind an engineer anymore |
| 13:01.38 | Dotted | that makes sense though :P |
| 13:01.45 | Bibi | and there is this nerf that was applied a few weeks ago |
| 13:01.56 | Bibi | you don't deal as much damage as before to buildings you sapped |
| 13:02.00 | Bibi | (and this one doesn't make sense sir) |
| 13:02.16 | Bibi | and that's very, very, very lame. |
| 13:02.17 | Dotted | mebe |
| 13:03.59 | Dotted | gonna play some |
| 13:04.18 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: Resolutions - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/breakfast-topic-resolutions/ |
| 13:06.05 | Dotted | when the fuck is valve gonna fix the focus bug? god i hate having to use task manager every time i start TF2 |
| 13:06.18 | [NewsBot] | World of Raids: Death Knight, 2.4, Popular Arena Setups - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-9944-1.html |
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| 13:07.02 | Fisker- | they nerfed my mother |
| 13:07.03 | Fisker- | >* |
| 13:07.05 | Fisker- | :( |
| 13:07.18 | Fisker- | btw |
| 13:07.22 | Fisker- | illegal danish 2 was shit |
| 13:07.40 | Fisker- | even how to paladin have better storyline and it's funnier too |
| 13:07.41 | Dotted | old machinima is oooooooooooooooooooooooooold |
| 13:07.57 | Fisker- | fail Dotted is faiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiil |
| 13:08.05 | Fisker- | because it's a couple of hours old |
| 13:08.31 | Dotted | escape from orgrimmar? |
| 13:08.40 | Fisker- | yes |
| 13:09.12 | Dotted | heh i thought ID2 was Super Snacks |
| 13:09.40 | Fisker- | no |
| 13:09.43 | Fisker- | and you suck |
| 13:10.46 | Fisker- | but it's really really bad |
| 13:11.09 | Fisker- | feels like a stupid clipshow |
| 13:11.15 | Fisker- | americas funniest homevideos |
| 13:11.20 | Fisker- | except |
| 13:11.23 | Fisker- | not that funny |
| 13:11.33 | Fisker- | WoW's not so funny home videos |
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| 13:36.46 | Dotted | Fisker- yeah it makes you wonder why it took so long |
| 13:37.02 | Fisker- | heh yeah |
| 13:37.31 | Fisker- | i wanted to punch the creator in the face when it ended with "Arcanite Reaper, HOOOO" |
| 13:37.41 | Dotted | where is Dirty nightslayer edition? |
| 13:37.46 | Dotted | me2 |
| 13:37.50 | Fisker- | dunno :o |
| 13:38.57 | Dotted | [14:27:16] [Jackdans]: yo |
| 13:38.57 | Dotted | [14:35:47] [Dotted]: yo |
| 13:38.57 | Dotted | [14:36:16] [Jackdans]: what does Kakav e toi mean in english |
| 13:39.00 | Dotted | what the hell |
| 13:40.40 | Fisker- | :D |
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| 14:38.46 | ]hohoho[ | http://meineex.ath.cx/?id=ef48fe54 |
| 14:44.10 | zeal | wow, belated santa |
| 14:47.38 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 14:47.41 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 18577 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 5hrs 9mins 37secs. |
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| 15:06.08 | Rprp | What should be better for healing, A pally (Plate, Etc) Or a priest (Cloth etc)? |
| 15:11.34 | Pzyk | pallies are boring |
| 15:11.44 | Pzyk | you have exactly two buttons |
| 15:12.21 | deltron | plate because it has the stats you need |
| 15:12.26 | deltron | spirit = sux for pallies |
| 15:13.19 | Arideni | Yeah, paladins don't exactly get time to regenerate |
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| 15:16.49 | Pzyk | spirit hasn't been a great stat anyways for pretty much any class |
| 15:17.11 | deltron | priests and druids can't get enough of it |
| 15:17.58 | Pzyk | for druids, mp5 is a tiny bit more effective |
| 15:18.16 | Pzyk | but then again, chain potting makes any sort of regen obsolete |
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| 15:24.24 | pcj | good morning DuTempete :) |
| 15:24.33 | pcj | or...not |
| 15:24.48 | Pzyk | o_O |
| 15:24.49 | zZzDuTempete | hehe I'm here |
| 15:24.50 | Pzyk | fast reaction |
| 15:25.12 | zZzDuTempete | didn't realise I hadn't registered my short away nicks |
| 15:26.02 | DuTempete | btw, I added to [[WW:RFA#Pcj]] |
| 15:26.12 | pcj | :o |
| 15:26.14 | DuTempete | blargh |
| 15:26.20 | DuTempete | [[WW:RFA |
| 15:26.24 | DuTempete | AH! |
| 15:26.24 | pcj | fail |
| 15:26.31 | DuTempete | [[WW:RFA]] |
| 15:26.32 | [NewsBot] | DuTempete meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:RFA |
| 15:26.38 | DuTempete | fuck you, NewsBot. |
| 15:26.48 | pcj | [[WW:RFA#Pcj]] works too |
| 15:26.50 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:RFA#Pcj |
| 15:26.56 | DuTempete | I know, I just didn't want to type it. |
| 15:28.53 | DuTempete | Hey, are we going to drop a link to that page on the MP and/or VP? |
| 15:29.04 | DuTempete | Doesn't do us any good if no one knows about it |
| 15:29.45 | pcj | Go ahead |
| 15:31.30 | Rprp | hmm |
| 15:31.36 | Rprp | So, Priests should be better for healing? |
| 15:31.46 | DuTempete | oh god |
| 15:31.52 | pcj | Priests are more of a hybrid healer |
| 15:31.57 | pcj | Pallies are more for direct healing |
| 15:32.03 | Rprp | mm.. |
| 15:32.04 | pcj | Druids are more for HoT/AOE healing |
| 15:32.07 | DuTempete | That sort of question is for #wowhead, not here. |
| 15:32.59 | DuTempete | We don't go for that sort of "my class is better than you class" bullshit, here. :P |
| 15:33.09 | DuTempete | But #wowhead does :P |
| 15:33.29 | Rprp | Well, I would to start a class who could heal, and asked for the 'best?' class... |
| 15:34.06 | DuTempete | However, pcj does give the correct and wise answer to that question :P |
| 15:35.08 | DuTempete | btw, pcj... |
| 15:35.16 | pcj | what |
| 15:35.16 | DuTempete | I go to sleep, and you're still online... |
| 15:35.27 | DuTempete | I wake up, and you're still around... |
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| 15:35.32 | pcj | lool |
| 15:35.32 | DuTempete | Do you sleep? |
| 15:35.35 | pcj | Sure |
| 15:35.40 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 15:36.20 | DuTempete | Now if only Kirkburn|sleep would wake up :P |
| 15:37.01 | DuTempete | Oh, I think that ping did it :P |
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| 15:52.49 | Pzyk | o_O druids for aoe healing? |
| 15:53.53 | pcj | [[WW:RFA#Pcj]] |
| 15:53.53 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:RFA#Pcj |
| 15:53.54 | pcj | DuTempete |
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| 15:55.50 | DuTempete | kks, will read it later. I've got some super important business to get taken care of asap :P |
| 15:56.57 | pcj | bbiab then |
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| 15:59.50 | Zeal | hm.. lol |
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| 16:08.18 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: On age discrimination - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/on-age-discrimination/ |
| 16:09.49 | Kirkburn | Morning all! |
| 16:11.45 | Kirkburn | Royal, regarding naming and shaming - no go on the wiki, sorry. Apart from the possible legal ramifications, the admins wouldn't want to spend their time fighting battles with angry people :( |
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| 16:12.18 | Kirkburn | Bibi, what's this about being unable to embed due to Vista? |
| 16:12.25 | Kirkburn | I've heard of no such limitation ... |
| 16:12.44 | pcj | Embed what? |
| 16:12.57 | Kirkburn | Illegal Danish 2 |
| 16:13.50 | Kirkburn | First post on MMO-C |
| 16:14.47 | pcj | <embed> should work fine...except it's deprecated in the w3 spec |
| 16:15.12 | foxlit | Isn't it object yet? |
| 16:15.27 | pcj | It should be object |
| 16:15.44 | Kirkburn | Yeah, there's no big difference between IE7 on Vista and XP, so I'm wondering what Bibi is talking about |
| 16:21.08 | MentalPower | Kirkburn: does the XP version of IE7 have safe mode? |
| 16:21.17 | Kirkburn | Protected mode, no |
| 16:21.24 | MentalPower | that could be it |
| 16:21.39 | Kirkburn | Shouldn't make a difference afaik |
| 16:21.45 | MentalPower | also if they are running 64bit IE7 the 32bit foo won't run |
| 16:21.58 | MentalPower | modules-n-stuff |
| 16:22.05 | Kirkburn | Then they should run the 32bit version, it's available to them :P |
| 16:22.11 | MentalPower | correct |
| 16:22.27 | MentalPower | those are the two differences that I know of |
| 16:22.38 | Kirkburn | If protected mode breaks it, then divx are worse coders than I had already realised :P |
| 16:22.51 | pcj | lol kirkburn |
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| 16:23.13 | Kirkburn | Took them months to support divx on Vista in the first place :/ (and I *assume* they support it by now) |
| 16:24.18 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: Illegal Danish - Escape from Orgrimmar - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/wow-moviewatch-illegal-danish-escape-from-orgrimmar/ |
| 16:24.37 | foxlit | So, question |
| 16:24.53 | foxlit | Is there any particular reason the roundspecicons have a template each? :) |
| 16:26.43 | pcj | You mean like {{Horde Icon}} ? |
| 16:26.51 | foxlit | {{Bal_Spec_RoundIcon}} |
| 16:26.52 | [NewsBot] | foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bal_Spec_RoundIcon |
| 16:27.14 | foxlit | {{SpecIcon|Druid|Balance}} would be so much more <3 |
| 16:27.14 | [NewsBot] | foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Balance |
| 16:27.19 | pcj | idk, but that seems to be some unknown user who created it |
| 16:28.36 | pcj | Only used in a few places too |
| 16:28.50 | foxlit | Because they're such a pain to look up :) |
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| 16:32.13 | Kirkburn | Laurlybot hasn't run for over a month :( |
| 16:34.47 | pcj | :( |
| 16:34.50 | pcj | ~seen laurly |
| 16:34.53 | infobot | laurly <n=test@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 35d 8h 9m 37s ago, saying: 'arena promoter thats what i was looking for :)'. |
| 16:35.03 | pcj | laurly said she'd been on IRC since then but i'm not seeing it |
| 16:36.42 | Fisker- | Adys |
| 16:36.49 | Fisker- | i misplaced one of my thongs |
| 16:36.54 | Fisker- | you have a replacement you can spare? |
| 16:36.55 | Fisker- | HOHO |
| 16:36.56 | foxlit | botmail time! |
| 16:37.45 | pcj | finish him! |
| 16:39.21 | Fisker- | already did |
| 16:43.07 | Kirkburn | foxlit, ? |
| 16:43.14 | foxlit | Kirkburn, ! |
| 16:43.38 | Kirkburn | foxlit, #&;*%! |
| 16:44.17 | foxlit | Kirkburn, *@:#? |
| 16:49.32 | Lukian | who leads the Kil'sorrow Orcs? |
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| 16:54.04 | Fisker- | btw fail foxlit :D |
| 16:54.15 | foxlit | mm? |
| 16:54.26 | Fisker- | DSB apparently paid 250k for each of their remote terminals where you can buy a ticket on the station |
| 16:54.41 | Fisker- | 250k for a computer with a touchscreen and a card reader |
| 16:54.42 | Fisker- | :DDD |
| 16:54.46 | Fisker- | boy did they get ripped off |
| 16:55.03 | foxlit | (a) Where do I come into the picture? :) |
| 16:55.12 | Fisker- | you're danish |
| 16:55.19 | foxlit | (b) You're underestimating the amount of damage that terminal can resist |
| 16:55.23 | Fisker- | and i want to share the lulz |
| 16:55.57 | Fisker- | what does that have to do with them paying 250k for each? :o |
| 16:56.40 | Kirkburn | Don't forget, the often do nuclear tests in the area, Fisker- |
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| 16:57.48 | foxlit | I'm implying that that isn't quite "1. Buy touchscreen. 2. Steal basement PC. 3. Done!" |
| 16:58.30 | Kirkburn | 250k what btw? US dollars? |
| 16:58.34 | Fisker- | 50k |
| 16:58.57 | Fisker- | the frame isn't 50k |
| 16:59.02 | Fisker- | nowhere near that |
| 16:59.51 | foxlit | Does that include installation, btw? :) |
| 16:59.57 | Fisker- | dunno |
| 17:00.13 | Fisker- | installation, apart for the cables that need to be wired is pretty easy though |
| 17:01.19 | foxlit | When you're dealing with a terminal that essentially prints money |
| 17:01.40 | foxlit | You start taking odd precautions :P |
| 17:01.46 | foxlit | {{SpecIcon}} |
| 17:01.47 | [NewsBot] | foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:SpecIcon |
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| 17:03.38 | Fisker- | well they're apparently not getting touched until new year's eve so i guess they might as well just save on the frame since it's going to be blown up anyways |
| 17:10.35 | pcj | foxlit wouldn't class then spec be more logical |
| 17:11.02 | foxlit | pcj: At first glance, yeah |
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| 17:11.33 | foxlit | But not really; they don't conflict enough |
| 17:12.03 | foxlit | I'm contemplating whether to force the class requirement or make it optional |
| 17:12.32 | foxlit | {{SpecIcon|Balance}} is unambiguous, for example; why require more typing? :) |
| 17:12.33 | [NewsBot] | foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Balance |
| 17:13.35 | pcj | because you're sadistic? |
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| 17:15.19 | Yeppy | anyone know the server laughing skull? |
| 17:20.49 | Zeal | optional sounds fine to me |
| 17:21.21 | Zeal | and you still could do class|spec |
| 17:22.40 | Zeal | have your class specific switches on {{{1}}}, if it doesn't match a class for disambig, then switch it against the talent tree names. if it does match, then switch {{{2}}} for them. |
| 17:23.08 | foxlit | I'm not a big fan of optional parameters that appear in the middle of your non-optional parameters |
| 17:23.22 | Zeal | hm? |
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| 17:27.16 | Zeal | eg. {{#switch:{{lc:{{{1|}}}}}|pala={{#switch:{{lc:{{{2|}}}|holy=Holy Pala}}|priest={{#switch:{{lc:{{{2|}}}|holy=Holy priest}}|Retribution=Ret Pala}} really many ways to do that, but meh. |
| 17:27.25 | Zeal | bbl |
| 17:28.29 | DuTempete | Zeal, you're an ass. |
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| 17:29.05 | DuTempete | [[WW:RFA#Pcj]] |
| 17:29.06 | [NewsBot] | DuTempete meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:RFA#Pcj |
| 17:29.43 | zeal | why, because i opposed it? |
| 17:30.10 | DuTempete | Because you yourself are incredibly biased, and you play yourself arrogantly off as the expert of all things. |
| 17:30.33 | zeal | i'm arrogant, never said i'm the expert of anything. |
| 17:30.44 | DuTempete | And you think if you don't get your own way, you're entitled to accuse other people of unfair play. |
| 17:30.58 | zeal | and this is coming from someone else who is biased and also complained last time i pointed out i was biased agaisnt pcj? |
| 17:31.23 | DuTempete | how am I biased? |
| 17:31.49 | zeal | DuTempete, i spoke to Kirkburn about pcj in private long before i even tried to speak to pcj or most of the issues existed. nothing to do with getting my own way. |
| 17:31.52 | DuTempete | Yes, I complained about that. I don't like your attitude most of the time, hence I complain about it. |
| 17:31.56 | zeal | Because you're friends. |
| 17:32.16 | DuTempete | What on earth makes you think I won't tell pcj off if I don't like what he does? |
| 17:32.24 | DuTempete | Did you even read what I said on his nom? |
| 17:32.40 | zeal | what makes you think i won't praise him if i think he does soemthing right? |
| 17:32.52 | Kirkburn | pcj has control of the javascript because (1) he made it, (2) it works, and (3) if it wasn't in his namespace, edits wouldn't be possible |
| 17:33.12 | DuTempete | That's the thing I call into question, zeal. You don't thinkg *anything* is right unless you've done it. |
| 17:33.46 | zeal | (1) doesn't mean it should be included directly (2) barely (3) it sohuld have been moved to an open namespace for collaboration, i told you that. |
| 17:34.03 | Kirkburn | It can't be moved to an open namespace |
| 17:34.14 | pcj | lol that would be a security risk |
| 17:34.17 | zeal | i think plenty of people do things right, and i do a crap laod wrong. |
| 17:34.41 | DuTempete | Well, when you can give me an example, zeal, let me know. |
| 17:34.49 | Kirkburn | What do you mean by included directly? |
| 17:35.03 | zeal | pcj, it could be locked down as is doen with templates. point being was making it public and having discussion on changes at is done with everything else. |
| 17:35.13 | zeal | inclunded from his userspace Kirkburn. |
| 17:35.26 | DuTempete | pcj wouldn't have access if it were locked down |
| 17:35.31 | DuTempete | that's the whole point of it going to his user page |
| 17:35.39 | zeal | i'm not singing kirkburn and baggin's praises much am i? >_>; |
| 17:35.51 | zeal | why should he over any user? |
| 17:36.02 | pcj | ...because i designed it |
| 17:36.18 | DuTempete | and he's constantly working on it. |
| 17:36.41 | DuTempete | That's the other reason he needs access to it. |
| 17:36.47 | zeal | erm.. ok if you want to be pathetic like that, i deisgned most of the major item related templates in use, shall we move them back to my userspace? no, because i'm not an ass. |
| 17:36.58 | DuTempete | The admins don't want their time wasted by being pcj's gopher. |
| 17:37.07 | Kirkburn | zeal, you're making strawmen |
| 17:37.15 | zeal | no, they need to be everyone else's isntead. |
| 17:37.34 | Kirkburn | pcj designed the tooltips in his namespace because they *have* to be in his namespace for him to develop them |
| 17:38.02 | Kirkburn | They cannot be outside the namespace |
| 17:38.48 | zeal | anyways, you'll do what you want with it, just voicing my opposition in both cases. let me know when that isn't a crime. |
| 17:38.59 | Kirkburn | Proper js pages are locked down by MediaWiki anyway, and that would mean pcj would have to be an admin to develop then ... |
| 17:39.33 | Kirkburn | You gave an opinion. People are allowed to disagree. |
| 17:39.50 | DuTempete | and I'm just letting you know I think your opinion sounds more like a flame, and I think that's inappropriate for where you've placed it. |
| 17:40.00 | zeal | that isn't what DuTempete was doing though Kirkburn, no problem with disagreement, i expect it. |
| 17:42.00 | DuTempete | What was I doing when, zeal? When I told you I think you're an ass? |
| 17:42.48 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: GP Covers the Ron Paul World of Warcraft March - http://gamepolitics.com/2008/01/02/gp-covers-the-ron-paul-world-of-warcraft-march/ |
| 17:43.17 | pcj | i agree with [NewsBot] |
| 17:43.24 | DuTempete | hehe |
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| 17:45.37 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Druid_sets |
| 17:45.52 | foxlit | Sorting on those spec sets: the Arena way or the Tier way? |
| 17:47.25 | DuTempete | btw... is anyone else getting some level of edits club image flashing at them from a hover? |
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| 17:48.15 | [NewsBot] | BlizzPlanet: Unofficial Starcraft II on Xbox 360 Rumor - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1972 |
| 17:48.15 | DuTempete | It's really odd... usually happens in the middle of the page, although I'm not sure if it's from a link or a certain location. It flashes for half a second, and goes away, not coming back if you hover there again. |
| 17:48.16 | pcj | That's my sig |
| 17:48.31 | DuTempete | oh god that's annoying :P |
| 17:48.35 | pcj | lol ok |
| 17:48.37 | pcj | hmm |
| 17:48.49 | DuTempete | I thought I was going crazy |
| 17:48.57 | pcj | well no argument there |
| 17:49.19 | DuTempete | hehe |
| 17:49.30 | DuTempete | yeah, that's a tad flashy, pcj :P |
| 17:49.39 | DuTempete | not very humble... or useful... :P |
| 17:50.24 | foxlit | Is there a 5-million club icon yet? |
| 17:50.50 | DuTempete | and the edit club still says 10k, when you're claiming 20k :P |
| 17:53.05 | pcj | There isn't a 20k wwclub |
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| 17:54.25 | DuTempete | oh, it's 25k after that? |
| 17:54.37 | pcj | Yep |
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| 17:54.44 | DuTempete | thought it was 20, then 50 :P |
| 17:55.02 | timski | Hello. Is anyone here able to edit the Elink template? |
| 17:55.13 | DuTempete | hello timski :) |
| 17:55.24 | foxlit | (yes) |
| 17:55.56 | DuTempete | well, zeal, whatever I think of you, and your opinion... I'm going to observe some restraint and not argue with you on RFA. That's for pcj to do. |
| 17:57.11 | DuTempete | I just hope that if you say anything else there, you'll do the same, and refrain from speaking in such extreme terms again. |
| 17:58.06 | DuTempete | I feel sorry for the folks who might read what you've written there and be misled by your venom. |
| 17:59.17 | pcj | you can comment that without arguing |
| 17:59.19 | DuTempete | because they don't know any better |
| 17:59.27 | DuTempete | I'd rather not, pcj. |
| 17:59.32 | pcj | ok |
| 17:59.37 | DuTempete | That's what you're supposed to do. :P |
| 17:59.50 | DuTempete | Besides, atm, I'm still a tad angry. :P |
| 18:00.14 | DuTempete | anger is never a good reason to post anything :P |
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| 18:03.08 | DuTempete | hi sannse! |
| 18:03.13 | sannse | hihi |
| 18:08.18 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Forum Post of the Day: Bring back the honor grind! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/forum-post-of-the-day-bring-back-the-honor-grind/ |
| 18:08.26 | DuTempete | well, I'm going to go hose myself off now... |
| 18:11.24 | zeal | lame timing, bah. |
| 18:16.12 | Zeal | If admins think it's a flame, delete it. i clearly don't think it was otherwise i wouldn't have posted it, if i wanted to flame pcj i would, but flaming isn't something i've ever resorted (publically, lol). I'd much rather you have criticised what i said on the page than flaming me (or in your view, i guess it's falling for flame bait?) on here. |
| 18:21.50 | Kirkburn | This ignoring the fact you directly accused me of favouritism? |
| 18:22.28 | Kirkburn | I'm pretty sure others would accuse me of favouritism to you as well |
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| 18:34.08 | AFKDuTempete | still afk, but I can't resist... |
| 18:34.17 | AFKDuTempete | Zeal, damn straight I'm flaming you. |
| 18:34.36 | AFKDuTempete | But I'm doing it to your face, and in the least public and permanent place I can do it. |
| 18:34.45 | Zeal | not directly, but you ofc knew it was refering to you. Just replied, which explains further why it comes off as favouritism. You know i have alot of respect for you, and i'm sure it's not intentional, but it does come off that way. |
| 18:34.49 | AFKDuTempete | I'm also not embellishing. |
| 18:35.38 | AFKDuTempete | That's no excuse for throwing shit around on the wiki. |
| 18:36.09 | Zeal | what happened to hosing yourself off? : / |
| 18:36.23 | AFKDuTempete | I'm going back to that, now. |
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| 18:41.01 | Zeal | i can't beleive when i first noticed you saying that, it gave me a last craving for popcorn |
| 18:41.11 | Zeal | thankfully i fulfilled it 2 weeks later :P |
| 18:41.18 | Zeal | *lasting |
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| 18:45.14 | Adys | lol |
| 18:45.22 | Kirkburn | And Adys has the ability to edit it :P |
| 18:45.33 | Zeal | "recieved (sic) the recognition it deserves". mind pointing out to me where i said this btw, recognise it, jsut wanna check the context :p |
| 18:45.40 | pcj | On your user page... |
| 18:46.25 | pcj | As I linked to |
| 18:46.27 | Zeal | ah, the timeline |
| 18:50.34 | Adys | kirk i never edited ww's js |
| 18:50.50 | Kirkburn | I know, but you have the ability :P |
| 18:51.21 | Adys | I dont feel like dumping my nice clean life for more online drama thx :P |
| 18:51.34 | pcj | lol |
| 18:51.36 | foxlit | Do it for the popcorn! |
| 18:51.38 | Kirkburn | So citing you as someone who has criticised it and using that to say it should be opened up (which, again, security risk, and not really possible on MediaWiki), doesn't work |
| 18:51.51 | Kirkburn | I don't like popcorn :( |
| 18:52.01 | pcj | You'll like popcorn if I give it to you! |
| 18:52.14 | pcj | No, actually, I don't much like popcorn either |
| 18:52.24 | Kirkburn | Copycat :O |
| 18:52.26 | pcj | Worked in a movie theater for a little while |
| 18:52.57 | Kirkburn | Zeal, two weeks to get popcorn? o_O |
| 18:55.32 | foxlit | qqwiki! |
| 18:56.13 | foxlit | !jobqueue |
| 18:56.16 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 14531 doing ~0.6 job/s, done in approx. 6hrs 43mins 38secs. |
| 18:56.47 | foxlit | Bot gets worse timeouts from wiki at the moment than from the armory :/ |
| 18:56.52 | pcj | lol |
| 19:11.25 | foxlit | 9 ae-64-64.ebr4.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.69.134.113) 142.606 ms 141.184 ms 143.260 ms |
| 19:11.25 | foxlit | 10 ae-2.ebr4.SanJose1.Level3.net (4.69.135.185) 422.921 ms 408.171 ms 412.646 ms |
| 19:11.32 | pcj | yay |
| 19:12.21 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Figureprints make great gifts... or do they? - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/figureprints-make-great-gifts-or-do-they/ |
| 19:13.41 | Pzyk | o_O |
| 19:13.44 | Pzyk | big jump |
| 19:14.18 | Zeal | yeah, waited until i went to the movies Kirkburn :p |
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| 19:15.57 | foxlit | Yeah, level3 is being horrible for some reason |
| 19:16.32 | foxlit | Hm, pcj |
| 19:16.33 | pcj | http://www.internetpulse.net/ ? |
| 19:16.38 | pcj | wut |
| 19:16.45 | Pzyk | odd |
| 19:16.45 | foxlit | AJAX the template loading! :) |
| 19:16.54 | pcj | what template |
| 19:16.59 | foxlit | erm, tooltip |
| 19:17.00 | foxlit | duh :) |
| 19:17.04 | Pzyk | it's only a 90ms ping to ae-64-64.ebr4.NewYork1.Level3.net from west coast |
| 19:17.15 | pcj | What, 1s too long? |
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| 19:17.55 | foxlit | How many js files do you have? :) |
| 19:18.16 | pcj | List at http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Pcj/tooltip.js |
| 19:27.07 | Zeal | trying to stir a bowl with chopsticks is now ideal >_<;; |
| 19:27.11 | Zeal | *not |
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| 19:30.23 | Pzyk | the asian is not strong within you. |
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| 19:32.50 | Zeal | can use them fine, was just trying to stir a bowl of noodles with them and failed, lol. ended up rolloing them about :p |
| 19:32.54 | Zeal | *rolling |
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| 19:37.36 | Sky2042_afk | well, that's interesting. |
| 19:39.28 | Sky2042_afk | that is definitely interesting. |
| 19:39.33 | kd3 | gah, slowwiki is slow |
| 19:39.43 | Sky2042_afk | lots for me to read this morning. |
| 19:39.52 | Kirkburn | Morning Sky2042_afk |
| 19:40.08 | Sky2042_afk | morning Kirkburn, all. |
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| 19:41.32 | pcj | hi keolah :) |
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| 19:44.55 | Zeal | hey sky. |
| 19:45.02 | Zeal | hey Bagginsww |
| 19:45.21 | Sky2042_afk | hey Zeal. |
| 19:45.26 | Sky2042_afk | your name speaks of you ;P |
| 19:45.34 | Zeal | always, hehe. |
| 19:48.41 | Keolah | hi |
| 19:49.20 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOZzM7H8ODc&feature=PlayList&p=CE4CCFBA546D74F1&index=0&playnext=1 <-- that's what i'm watching atm :p big leap from charmed, lol |
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| 19:52.45 | Sky2042_afk | Kirkburn: you realize an admin can move the js either way, right? pcj doesn't have to move it... |
| 19:53.28 | Kirkburn | Yes, I think you misread my meaning :P |
| 19:53.48 | Sky2042_afk | possibly |
| 19:53.51 | Kirkburn | js pages can only be edited by admins, if pcj was one it wouldn't need to be in his user space |
| 19:54.07 | Sky2042_afk | true. but why would we move it then anyway? |
| 19:54.29 | Sky2042_afk | :/ |
| 19:54.42 | pcj | There isn't really any reason to move it |
| 19:54.50 | pcj | Except for a more centralized location |
| 19:54.55 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 19:55.15 | Kirkburn | No techinical reason, but it would be more in keeping with the spirit of the wiki |
| 19:55.26 | Sky2042_afk | mm... |
| 19:55.44 | AFKDuTempete | Yeah, but if Fandy does end up banning pcj, we wouldn't have it anymore :P |
| 19:55.47 | Sky2042_afk | huh |
| 19:55.51 | pcj | lol |
| 19:55.51 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 19:56.26 | AFKDuTempete | I think it should be moved, if only because it *should* be elsewhere. |
| 19:56.30 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:56.34 | AFKDuTempete | like Kirk said, in the spirit of the wiki. |
| 19:56.57 | AFKDuTempete | and to prevent people like zela from developing certain opinions without consideration of the facts. |
| 19:57.11 | Kirkburn | Now now, I thought you hosed yourself down :P |
| 19:57.12 | AFKDuTempete | s/zela/zeal/ |
| 19:57.25 | Zeal | the only technical reason is on principle, as you said, in the spirit of the wiki. |
| 19:57.26 | AFKDuTempete | I did... I didn't say why I had :P |
| 19:57.34 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:58.43 | Fisker- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4qKW_xpDtQ <-lulz |
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| 19:58.45 | AFKDuTempete | on that note, though, zeal, I don't dislike you, and I don't think you're a bad person. You just make it really fucking hard to like you. |
| 19:58.57 | Zeal | haha |
| 19:59.05 | Zeal | can't disagree with that. |
| 19:59.06 | Zeal | :p |
| 19:59.10 | AFKDuTempete | I find you arrogant, rude, and oooooverly suspicious of anyone's opinion but your own. :P |
| 19:59.12 | Ultros | @help |
| 19:59.19 | pcj | what do you need ultros |
| 19:59.40 | Zeal | not suspicious, curious and eager to learn ;) |
| 19:59.42 | Ultros | hmm, some commands... |
| 19:59.47 | AFKDuTempete | LOL |
| 19:59.54 | kd3 | this isn't a fserve channel. there aren't any bots that respond to normal commands |
| 19:59.54 | pcj | commands? |
| 20:00.13 | AFKDuTempete | those two adjectives are the *last* two I ever would have come up with to describe you, Zeal. :P |
| 20:00.54 | Fisker- | beep beep, alarm clock, etc. |
| 20:00.54 | Sky2042_afk | when did pcj call me silly, zeal? |
| 20:00.54 | Sky2042_afk | o_o |
| 20:00.54 | AFKDuTempete | I think you're silly Sky2042_afk. |
| 20:00.54 | Zeal | implied != call |
| 20:00.54 | Sky2042_afk | AFKDuTempete: I do try. |
| 20:00.54 | AFKDuTempete | hehe |
| 20:01.01 | pcj | your exact word was "suggest" |
| 20:01.03 | Sky2042_afk | w/e. when exactly was it. that's just what I'm looking for. |
| 20:01.11 | Sky2042_afk | I couldn't care either way. |
| 20:01.11 | Zeal | ah, suggest then |
| 20:01.13 | Zeal | hehe |
| 20:01.57 | Zeal | when i asked why pcj started removing content from my sandbox templates instead of leaving them or doing simple fixes like you had been doing sky. |
| 20:01.59 | AFKDuTempete | Well, I'm really AFK for a while again :P |
| 20:02.11 | Sky2042_afk | ah |
| 20:03.29 | Zeal | <3 {{syntax}}, still annoying when i want to link non-template space templates with {{t}} though :( |
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| 20:08.24 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Tales from the Lion's Pride Inn: The sentinel - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/tales-from-the-lions-pride-inn-the-sentinel/ |
| 20:10.22 | Zeal | bah, just realized i stopped typing something to reply to you. :p er.. Yeah, i know i'm arrogant, and i know i come across as such, but what doesn't come across is that fact it's simply because i believe strongly in what i know, but i also recognize that i don't know everything and have alot to learn still meaning i'm wrong half the time and thus try to engage people into discussion to understand them and learn from them to be |
| 20:11.03 | Zeal | perhaps help thme in the process. And yes, i complain about stuff all the time because of it. |
| 20:11.20 | pcj | there's a difference between constructive criticism and complaining |
| 20:11.52 | Zeal | but then my friends appreciate my brutal honesty and support, so they put up with it. |
| 20:12.15 | Zeal | pcj, it starts out as a complaint, if it becomes a discussion, it becomes constructive. |
| 20:13.06 | Zeal | god damn i love this opening theme. |
| 20:13.19 | Zeal | kd3, have you ever watched cutie honey btw? :S |
| 20:13.57 | pcj | I don't think the discussion has much to do with it, I think wording of the original question/criticism has more to do with it |
| 20:14.28 | Zeal | what we referring to here? you've lost me :P |
| 20:14.40 | Zeal | or are you really speaking in general? |
| 20:15.29 | pcj | Well, if the original point is worded nicely, the ensuing discussion won't be as much mudslinging as trying to work together |
| 20:15.40 | pcj | In general, of course |
| 20:15.58 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 20:16.09 | Sky2042_afk | I have issues with this as a person. Heh. |
| 20:16.44 | Zeal | i generally throw out random observations, typically negative ones, and see if anyone bites. tbh i can't say i'm a "fun" person, and perhaps becuase of insecurities, i assumed no one gives a damn about what i'm talking about ;) |
| 20:16.57 | Zeal | *assume |
| 20:17.07 | Zeal | goes double for IRC, lol |
| 20:17.23 | Sky2042_afk | might want to work on that. just a tad. |
| 20:17.29 | Sky2042_afk | >.> |
| 20:17.39 | Sky2042_afk | omgwtfmikkedited |
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| 20:23.03 | foxlit | omgwtfbreadcrumbsmustdie! |
| 20:24.04 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: yes. |
| 20:24.09 | Sky2042_afk | why do you say it now? |
| 20:24.22 | foxlit | Because Mikk edited them in elsewhere a while back :) |
| 20:24.49 | foxlit | As for the second part, because my AJAX loading for tooltip code works :P |
| 20:25.56 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template%3AUserapi&diff=1099923&oldid=1095471 |
| 20:26.09 | Fisker- | omgwtfimshittingonthefloor! |
| 20:26.24 | foxlit | Really? |
| 20:26.28 | Fisker- | want pics? |
| 20:26.37 | foxlit | Hm, let me consider that for a second. |
| 20:26.43 | foxlit | No. No way. Not ever. |
| 20:27.05 | deltron | lawl fisker |
| 20:27.13 | Zeal | where's that foxlit (ajax tooltip code loading thingy magiggy)? |
| 20:27.24 | foxlit | my .js |
| 20:28.02 | Lukian | Fisker-, yes please |
| 20:32.59 | Zeal | hm.. so whats the purpose/benefit of that foxlit? |
| 20:33.14 | foxlit | There aren't any :) |
| 20:33.20 | Zeal | lol, kk |
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| 20:34.21 | foxlit | JS typically hangs rendering while it is being downloaded, but that shouldn't be the case since pcj's script fires on onload |
| 20:34.39 | Zeal | aye |
| 20:34.55 | foxlit | I could theoretically pre-scan for presence of specific tooltip classes, and decide what to load dynamically, but there's no reason pcj can't do that as well, and it's somewhat nasty |
| 20:35.37 | Zeal | yeah, that was soemthing i've been aiming to do. |
| 20:36.10 | Zeal | but personally i've not wanted to support anything other than items so far. |
| 20:36.12 | kd3 | zeal; nah |
| 20:36.17 | kd3 | just finished minami-ke, actually |
| 20:36.33 | Zeal | hehe |
| 20:37.28 | Zeal | anime to live-action conversions are lolz |
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| 20:38.50 | Zeal | the cutie honey one is suprisingly good, but because of the type of content, it's ridiculously funny |
| 20:40.08 | Bagginsww | I don't know what to think of the upcoming Speed Racer |
| 20:42.07 | Dotted | Fisker- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hdfXNd9xEs |
| 20:43.02 | Sky2042_afk | It just ocurred to me that the wow forums are just "response bias" |
| 20:43.03 | Sky2042_afk | lol! |
| 20:43.21 | Zeal | lol baggins, i've never even watched the anime tbh. |
| 20:43.34 | Zeal | response bias? |
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| 20:43.58 | Sky2042_afk | aye |
| 20:44.16 | Zeal | in what way? :S |
| 20:44.31 | Sky2042_afk | only the people who have something to say will visit them =) |
| 20:44.57 | Zeal | that and people with problems |
| 20:44.58 | Sky2042_afk | and thus using it as a sample in a statistical experiment will fail, due to such bias. |
| 20:45.04 | Sky2042_afk | uh huh. |
| 20:45.11 | Sky2042_afk | but that's still response bias. |
| 20:45.32 | Zeal | only time visisted before i quit, to check when there was tech errors and down time |
| 20:45.38 | Zeal | nothing to say |
| 20:45.51 | Sky2042_afk | bingo |
| 20:46.00 | Sky2042_afk | "nothing to say" is the other half of response bias. |
| 20:46.11 | Zeal | made my officers do all the forum posting for the guild, mwuahahaha |
| 20:46.33 | Sky2042_afk | evil. |
| 20:47.13 | Zeal | :p |
| 20:47.51 | Zeal | Bagginsww, have you got your first comic yet btw? or have you completely cancelled and waiting on the first volume now? |
| 20:48.00 | Bagginsww | I cancelled |
| 20:48.06 | RTH-Hildegard | :) |
| 20:48.17 | Bagginsww | I'm just going to go for the tpbs |
| 20:48.21 | Zeal | still waiting on mine :/ |
| 20:48.23 | Zeal | hehe |
| 20:48.27 | Zeal | i probably should too.. |
| 20:48.44 | Bagginsww | I prefer tpbs anyways better in the bookcases |
| 20:48.51 | Zeal | true true |
| 20:48.57 | Bagginsww | I just hope they don't skip series :p |
| 20:49.08 | Zeal | better not >_o |
| 20:49.20 | Bagginsww | although so far we only know the comic is scheduled to go 12 issues so that's not likely... Unless they decide to continue it |
| 20:49.43 | Bagginsww | and the only times I've seen skipped series was for one shot and two issue stories :p |
| 20:50.08 | Bagginsww | which imo should have just been inserted as an extra with one of the other main series tpbs :p |
| 20:50.16 | Bagginsww | I'm speaking of experience with star wars comics btw |
| 20:50.49 | Zeal | i think they probably will continue in some shape or form, perhaps a whole new series. |
| 20:51.27 | Bagginsww | as for speed racer, ya I saw some of the anime in my youth |
| 20:51.39 | Bagginsww | it was strange |
| 20:51.55 | Zeal | probably did too, but too young to remember. |
| 20:52.44 | Bagginsww | it was an 80's show I think... had some revival or reruns on mtv in the 90s |
| 20:53.30 | Sky2042_afk | Speed Racer ftw |
| 20:53.32 | Sky2042_afk | =] |
| 20:53.49 | Bagginsww | the thing was I knew enough about speed racer, that I saw 2 seconds of the trailer and knew the move was going to be about the show :p |
| 20:54.00 | Zeal | lol |
| 20:54.29 | Bagginsww | I don't even know what even brought it to my mind too, it was kind of unconciously |
| 20:55.11 | Bagginsww | I saw the trailer when I went to see National Treasure 2 |
| 20:56.02 | Bagginsww | and I didn't even know they were making a speed racer movie, so I doubt that's what nudged my memory |
| 20:57.00 | pcj | you're AJAX-loading the JS foxlit? lol |
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| 20:58.14 | foxlit | There is one slight advantage: if the browser doesn't support ajax, I don't do anything :P |
| 20:58.20 | foxlit | Plus can start slightly earlier :P |
| 20:58.56 | Zeal | hehe |
| 20:59.28 | Bagginsww | so I take it I can't get the last chest in the Goron Mines until I have hookshot or something? |
| 20:59.44 | Bagginsww | the one way high above in the room with all the archers |
| 20:59.47 | pcj | i think your JS killed squid foxlit |
| 20:59.58 | Bagginsww | northwest corner |
| 21:00.03 | foxlit | Nah, squid was dead long before I started messing with that |
| 21:00.32 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 21:01.18 | Bagginsww | and by goron mines I'm speaking of LOZ:Twilight Princess |
| 21:01.42 | Zeal | that explains why i couldn't find it on ww :P |
| 21:02.46 | Sky2042_afk | LOL |
| 21:02.51 | Sky2042_afk | that's pathetic zeal. |
| 21:03.03 | Zeal | i don't play zelda games :P |
| 21:03.12 | Sky2042_afk | that's still pathetic. |
| 21:03.13 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 21:03.24 | Sky2042_afk | the series has been around for almost 2 decades and you don't know what a Goron is? |
| 21:03.32 | Zeal | nope |
| 21:03.48 | Zeal | think i played one on a GB emu once |
| 21:04.04 | Sky2042_afk | lollllllll |
| 21:04.05 | Kirkburn | So I'm thinking let up on the wowwiki js intensity? |
| 21:04.23 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:04.25 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Jump from Netherstorm to Hellfire Peninsula - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/jump-from-netherstorm-to-hellfire-peninsula/ |
| 21:04.30 | Bagginsww | Zeal you are missing out ;) |
| 21:04.34 | Zeal | bug teo for extention :p |
| 21:04.47 | Bagginsww | Zelda is one of the best game series eva |
| 21:05.04 | Zeal | you're as bad as my friends joking that it "didn't get out of midgar" because i played ff7 once and hated it :P |
| 21:05.08 | Zeal | *i |
| 21:05.21 | Bagginsww | well I can understand why people don't like turn based rpgs |
| 21:05.23 | Sky2042_afk | I don't like Zelda... too big. :/ |
| 21:05.30 | Bagginsww | too big? |
| 21:05.39 | Sky2042_afk | I'm one of those people who needs a little more direction than Zelda type games have. |
| 21:05.45 | Sky2042_afk | uh huh. |
| 21:05.49 | Bagginsww | zeldas don't usually take 90 hours to complete like turn based rpgs |
| 21:05.51 | Sky2042_afk | the world is huge |
| 21:05.58 | Zeal | i don't like 3d turn based rpgs, especially ones with horrible early 3d graphics like ff7 had. |
| 21:05.58 | Bagginsww | direction? |
| 21:06.00 | Sky2042_afk | what, like Golden Sun? |
| 21:06.04 | Bagginsww | zelda games usually point you where to go |
| 21:06.07 | Bagginsww | at least the new ones do |
| 21:06.13 | Zeal | oh, and over-simplified controls. |
| 21:06.14 | Bagginsww | annoying fairies and midna |
| 21:06.36 | Zeal | seems quitea bit of LoZ:TP |
| 21:06.40 | Zeal | *seen |
| 21:06.58 | Zeal | friend played it, i ended up as his enemy spotter, lol. |
| 21:07.02 | Bagginsww | I just got a wii so got a chance to play it |
| 21:07.27 | Bagginsww | I know I could have gotten the cube version earlier, but I wanted to wait |
| 21:07.47 | Zeal | why have GC when you can have Wii? :P |
| 21:07.54 | Sky2042_afk | I have LoZ:OoT on GCN. It r awesome. |
| 21:08.06 | Bagginsww | ya its a great game |
| 21:08.09 | kd3 | OoT <3 |
| 21:08.14 | Zeal | oh, and i've palyed mario and sonic olympics now, love it. |
| 21:08.33 | Zeal | though i hate the tabel tennis, is wii sports tennis but even worse. |
| 21:08.39 | Zeal | *it's |
| 21:08.51 | Bagginsww | and Phantom Hourglass, I loved the note taking options |
| 21:08.56 | Sky2042_afk | I'm just waiting for SSBB for Wii. until then, I play ssbm =) |
| 21:09.06 | Kirkburn | I'm editing the SSB wiki atm :P |
| 21:09.07 | Bagginsww | want to remember something? just write it on the map |
| 21:09.10 | Kirkburn | ssb.wikia.com |
| 21:09.26 | Sky2042_afk | Kirkburn: there's a better wiki out there already maintained by the smash community :/ |
| 21:09.27 | Bagginsww | my mom love's phantom hourglass |
| 21:09.39 | Bagginsww | the controls are so intuitive its easy for her |
| 21:09.48 | Bagginsww | all point and tap |
| 21:09.59 | Kirkburn | I care not, Sky :) |
| 21:10.05 | Sky2042_afk | I know. |
| 21:10.17 | Bagginsww | zeal have you played metroid prime series? |
| 21:10.40 | Sky2042_afk | but it means that ssb.wikia isn't going anywhere |
| 21:10.54 | Bagginsww | Metroid has always felt like Zelda set in science fiction settings to me. Though POV was a bit different. |
| 21:11.04 | Zeal | onyl the nds one, for which i couldn't play with such a bad control system :/ |
| 21:11.11 | Bagginsww | just the inventory mechanics and exploration |
| 21:11.26 | Bagginsww | get an item then use it to solve puzzles and then fight the boss before finding the next item |
| 21:11.58 | Bagginsww | which version of the nds one? the demo or the final release? |
| 21:12.13 | Sky2042_afk | kd3: is it really that hard?... |
| 21:12.14 | Bagginsww | ya kd3 that would be strange heh |
| 21:12.38 | Bagginsww | only place zelda should be in first person should be when using the range weapons |
| 21:13.09 | Zeal | hm.. the demo actually. |
| 21:13.18 | Bagginsww | ya the demo is nothing like the final release |
| 21:13.23 | Zeal | ah |
| 21:13.27 | Bagginsww | demo was basically a tech demo |
| 21:13.28 | Zeal | shame, the demo put me off it : / |
| 21:13.38 | Bagginsww | it took like 3 years to release the final game |
| 21:13.43 | Zeal | hehe |
| 21:13.55 | Zeal | i suspect the wii one pwns |
| 21:13.58 | Bagginsww | but ya the demo was a tech demo just to show off the capabilities of the system |
| 21:14.06 | Bagginsww | wii one is awesome ya |
| 21:14.06 | Sky2042_afk | pcj: I think we need a new tag, or for you to label your boilerplate messages. |
| 21:14.11 | Zeal | and when i finally get a wii, probably be the first game i buy |
| 21:14.19 | Sky2042_afk | that's the second person who's not know what's going on. |
| 21:14.20 | Zeal | can borrow everything else i might want :P |
| 21:14.22 | Bagginsww | it was the first wii game I got ;) not counting the pack in |
| 21:14.47 | Zeal | hehe |
| 21:15.27 | Bagginsww | but ya the thing you need to understand Metroid Prime games are not like most FPS games, they are more adventure than shooter. especially the game cube and wii versions |
| 21:15.41 | Bagginsww | you spend more time scanning panels for information than actual combat lol |
| 21:16.20 | Bagginsww | it has a slower pace and is designed around the exploration |
| 21:17.07 | Zeal | cool |
| 21:17.27 | Zeal | it'll just be nice to use a control system that works well for an fps :P |
| 21:17.29 | Bagginsww | Its a very cool hybrid style heh. Not many fsp/adventures out there. |
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| 21:18.12 | Bagginsww | well to be honest I feel the DS had tighter controls as far as FPS style |
| 21:18.30 | Bagginsww | closer to a mouse |
| 21:18.50 | Bagginsww | wiimote takes some time to get used to. |
| 21:19.14 | foxlit | Is it just that slow for me? |
| 21:19.22 | Sky2042_afk | I found gryphen |
| 21:19.26 | Sky2042_afk | he's in #wikia |
| 21:19.36 | pcj | and here... |
| 21:20.30 | Bagginsww | worst problem I get in the wii version is when your turning its very easy to turn to fast and lose controll of your targeting |
| 21:20.39 | Sky2042_afk | touche |
| 21:20.42 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:20.48 | Bagginsww | the reticle basically goes orange and you lose control of the mote |
| 21:20.59 | Zeal | yeah, was slow for me too. |
| 21:21.03 | Bagginsww | its very touchy as far as staying inside the box |
| 21:21.08 | Bagginsww | of the screen |
| 21:21.23 | Bagginsww | and that can get you killed :p |
| 21:21.48 | Bagginsww | plus the games hit detection seems off in some cases |
| 21:21.55 | Bagginsww | or perhaps too precise |
| 21:22.04 | Bagginsww | in that you have to sometimes hit very small pixels |
| 21:22.07 | Bagginsww | in order to do damage |
| 21:22.10 | Zeal | well so far the onyl wii fps experience i've had is with red steel, and it was far too jittery for me to aim and seemed like alot of the movements of the wiimtoe could have been implemented to add further functionality instead of buttons. |
| 21:22.25 | Bagginsww | ya jittery is a good description |
| 21:22.53 | Bagginsww | I mean its partly probably due to not be used to holding a remote like you do in the game |
| 21:22.56 | Bagginsww | *games |
| 21:23.00 | Sky2042_afk | slowwiki is slow |
| 21:23.01 | Bagginsww | so there is hand wobble |
| 21:23.07 | Fisker- | i want the white snow |
| 21:23.36 | Bagginsww | I'll pick up the zapper next month and try it out |
| 21:23.46 | Kirkburn | slowwiki is already reported |
| 21:23.50 | Bagginsww | see if holding the remote in both hands like a gun helps against the wobble |
| 21:23.51 | Zeal | plus you've got not resistance with it in the air like that, the wiimote is a bit too light to feel like real weapon, and the lack of weight or resistance makes it hard to control and gauge your movements in mid-air. think i still prefer a mouse for precision aiming. |
| 21:24.07 | Bagginsww | ya that's what I'm saying |
| 21:24.10 | Zeal | you have no resistance. |
| 21:24.13 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:24.14 | Kirkburn | Huge screen + Wiimote = awesome |
| 21:24.30 | Bagginsww | ya on a huge screen its alot harder to get outside the box |
| 21:24.42 | Zeal | hehe |
| 21:24.48 | Bagginsww | at the dorm I moved into, the CC has a huge projecto/screen combo |
| 21:24.52 | Zeal | well i was playing it on my 32" |
| 21:24.54 | Bagginsww | he's let me into his room to use heh |
| 21:24.59 | Bagginsww | I mean huge |
| 21:25.02 | Bagginsww | takes up a whole wall |
| 21:25.09 | Bagginsww | I don't know the dimensions |
| 21:25.16 | pcj | sloooowwiki |
| 21:25.24 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 21:25.29 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 8212 doing ~0 job/s, done in approx. 0secs. |
| 21:25.32 | Bagginsww | still zelda doesn't have that move outside the box problem as much. |
| 21:25.40 | Bagginsww | when in aiming modes |
| 21:25.45 | pcj | oh nos jobqueue's catching up |
| 21:25.47 | Bagginsww | I found aiming to be more precise |
| 21:25.53 | Zeal | yeah, seemed to be a bit better. |
| 21:26.06 | foxlit | pcj: what's your average ping to there? :) |
| 21:26.13 | Bagginsww | I think some of hte wobble in metroid prime was intentional |
| 21:26.31 | Kirkburn | How's the wiki now? |
| 21:26.38 | Bagginsww | it reminds me of sniper wobble |
| 21:26.47 | foxlit | slooow, unless you changed something 2s ago |
| 21:26.56 | Kirkburn | yeah, I mean right now |
| 21:26.58 | Zeal | slow, but not as slow. |
| 21:26.58 | Bagginsww | wobble caused by breathing |
| 21:27.23 | kd3 | slowwiki is slow |
| 21:27.27 | Bagginsww | there is no wobble in zelda except for whatever your wrists do |
| 21:27.27 | foxlit | Nah, still slow |
| 21:27.38 | pcj | 77ms foxlit |
| 21:27.39 | kd3 | anyone know if he's undead or drgonkin? |
| 21:27.55 | Sky2042_afk | oh god. |
| 21:27.57 | Zeal | hm.. good question |
| 21:28.05 | pcj | Both! |
| 21:28.15 | pcj | And [[Lich King's Mother-in-Law]] |
| 21:28.15 | foxlit | Oh, he's _dead_. |
| 21:28.17 | foxlit | I killed him! |
| 21:28.20 | kd3 | so what goes in the npcbox? |
| 21:28.28 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 21:28.34 | pcj | kd3 you can use races= to specify multiple races |
| 21:28.41 | pcj | it's unformatted so you'll need to link it yourself |
| 21:28.41 | Sky2042_afk | anyway, thoughts on redirect http://www.wowwiki.com/Lore_links to fansites?.. |
| 21:28.43 | Zeal | undead i guess. |
| 21:29.35 | Bagginsww | [[Undead]] [[Dragon]] |
| 21:29.36 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Undead |
| 21:29.40 | Bagginsww | use races, ;) |
| 21:29.44 | Bagginsww | races= |
| 21:29.45 | foxlit | He's not actually undead, yeah? |
| 21:29.46 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 21:30.05 | Bagginsww | hmm just in a spirit trapped form |
| 21:30.07 | foxlit | It's this whole emerald-dream-is-zomg-fucked |
| 21:30.14 | foxlit | mess |
| 21:30.15 | Bagginsww | its confusing ya |
| 21:30.48 | Keolah | The Emerald Dream is just an excuse for guys not calling me back! |
| 21:30.53 | foxlit | Dragons of the nightmare were dragons, I think? |
| 21:31.01 | Bagginsww | they also wereon't ghostly |
| 21:31.04 | foxlit | Undead doesn't really make sense without some necromancer somewhere |
| 21:31.07 | Bagginsww | just corrupt looking |
| 21:31.27 | Bagginsww | well technically I don't think I'd call anything other than walking corpses undead |
| 21:31.33 | Bagginsww | spirits don't really seem "undead" to me |
| 21:31.45 | Zeal | where as forsaken sure as hell do :p |
| 21:31.45 | Bagginsww | but get classified as undead |
| 21:31.46 | foxlit | Then we agree, more or less :) |
| 21:31.59 | Keolah | What about the ghosty Forsaken? :p |
| 21:32.06 | Bagginsww | like banshees? |
| 21:32.41 | Keolah | Yar. |
| 21:32.46 | foxlit | Wiki is so sad that my bazillion-armory lookups set-page processor actually crashes while attempting to save the wiki page :( |
| 21:32.51 | Pzyk | aren't forsaken just undead with a different mindset? |
| 21:33.05 | Bagginsww | well ya banshee I'd classify as a spirit being |
| 21:33.55 | Bagginsww | undead in traditional fiction was usually used only for zombies, vampires, and other mobile corpses |
| 21:34.11 | Bagginsww | at least with spirit you know the corpse is still dead |
| 21:34.12 | Keolah | It depends. |
| 21:34.30 | Keolah | Of course, in WoW, "spirits" tend to be a lot more... solid than you'd expect ;p |
| 21:34.31 | Bagginsww | where as if the corpse is walking around its "undead" |
| 21:34.41 | Keolah | Seeing as you can beat the crap out of them with weapons generally. |
| 21:34.42 | Bagginsww | they have to be for mechanics heh |
| 21:35.00 | Bagginsww | well ectoplasm is a liquid ;) |
| 21:35.11 | Bagginsww | well sorta a gel |
| 21:35.16 | Bagginsww | so somewhat solid |
| 21:35.19 | Keolah | At least in D&D-esque crap it usually at least needs to be a _magical_ weapon. |
| 21:35.29 | Keolah | Not that anyone over level 10 in WoW is likely to be using a non-magical weapon :p |
| 21:35.35 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 21:35.48 | foxlit | Does my [Icy Stick of the Beaver] count? |
| 21:35.56 | Bagginsww | almost everything in D&D seems to have +1 in some special damage |
| 21:36.44 | Bagginsww | or I should say most characters you'd encounter have at least +1 in some special damage on their weapons |
| 21:36.59 | Bagginsww | going by the RPG books I have |
| 21:37.02 | Keolah | hehe |
| 21:37.27 | Keolah | On a completely unrelated subject, me and my bf were leveling the other day and he was playing around with the Mechanical Greench. |
| 21:37.39 | Bagginsww | behold my +1 dirk of icy bite |
| 21:37.52 | Zeal | nerf warriors, they can't hit ethereal mobs anymore! :P |
| 21:37.53 | Keolah | And we made the observation... gasp, it's smart enough not to attack the sheep! I said "Wow, that's smarter than most escort quests." He added, "That's smarter than most pets. Hell, that's smarter than most Alliance players." |
| 21:38.43 | foxlit | Pet/Creature AI got updated, iirc |
| 21:38.47 | Bagginsww | http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/undead looks up undead in webster |
| 21:38.50 | Bagginsww | nope no ghosts LOL |
| 21:39.22 | kd3 | gah, it's been so long since I've been to ST. wonder if I can still remember the way in |
| 21:39.31 | Keolah | Don't know, don't think we've even _done_ an escort quest with our pally/mage duo since the last update. |
| 21:39.56 | Keolah | We tend to avoid them on principle because they're usually complete idiots and a pain in the ass ;p |
| 21:39.58 | foxlit | I can't ever be bothered to clear enough trash to do Eranikus cleanly |
| 21:40.14 | foxlit | Our last encounter had me looting the corpse about 5 seconds before being swarmed by most of the instance :( |
| 21:40.41 | kd3 | ahaha |
| 21:40.58 | foxlit | On the bright side, I tanked all of them for about 3 seconds |
| 21:41.06 | Keolah | lol |
| 21:41.26 | foxlit | !item Marshal's Dragonhide Boots |
| 21:41.43 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, foxlit, view at http://www.wowwiki.com/Marshal's_Dragonhide_Boots |
| 21:41.58 | foxlit | hey, wiki is recovering, ever so slowly |
| 21:42.14 | Keolah | Fixing idiotic AI won't help with idiotic players, though ;p |
| 21:42.38 | Bagginsww | but ya even in D&D banshees are considered undead, just "incorporeal" |
| 21:42.55 | Bagginsww | so this is a matter where real world definition and gaming definitions don't necessarily agree |
| 21:43.04 | Keolah | But geez, the Mechanical Greench is an _aggressive_ little thing... we let it loose in one of the yeti caves in Feralas, and it didn't stop until there wasn't a yeti left alive ;p |
| 21:43.16 | Keolah | "Undead" isn't really a term you'll use often in the real world :p |
| 21:43.36 | Keolah | Unless some zombie apocalypse suddenly descends upon the planet ;p |
| 21:43.40 | Bagginsww | that's true, but its also more than a gaming term too |
| 21:43.51 | Keolah | Yes, it's also used in books and movies :P |
| 21:44.08 | Keolah | It's a fantasy/horror term in general. |
| 21:44.09 | Zeal | i'm sure somepeople waking up call be classified as undead at times :P |
| 21:44.11 | Bagginsww | well in fiction its only walking corpse type monsters |
| 21:44.17 | Keolah | Depends on the fiction. |
| 21:44.17 | Zeal | *could be |
| 21:44.20 | Bagginsww | in rpgs and games it includes all ghosts |
| 21:44.30 | Keolah | Again, depends on the game. |
| 21:44.35 | Bagginsww | ok in dictionary its zombies and vampire and walking corpses |
| 21:44.43 | Bagginsww | not ghosts |
| 21:44.51 | Bagginsww | which is the so called "real world definition" |
| 21:44.56 | Keolah | In, say, Magic: The Gathering, (bad example, but still), "Zombie" "Spirit" and "Vampire" are all different types ;p |
| 21:45.07 | Bagginsww | ah it split things up a bit |
| 21:45.21 | Bagginsww | or are you asying different types of undead |
| 21:45.27 | Keolah | Different creature types. |
| 21:45.31 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 21:45.50 | Zeal | where as they could also be states of being. |
| 21:45.53 | Bagginsww | I don't much like the idea that some fantasy puts that zombies and vampires are exactly the same thing, just one lost its mind :p |
| 21:46.00 | Keolah | Whereas in WoW, they'd all just get slapped with the broad "Undead". ;p |
| 21:46.25 | Zeal | Bagginsww, on ww you've been using undead as a state right? |
| 21:46.30 | Bagginsww | a zombie like vampire should probably be a revenant |
| 21:46.37 | Bagginsww | *properly |
| 21:46.43 | Keolah | Which is okay, I mean, everything from humans, to centaurs, to naga, to yetis, gets called "Humanoid"... |
| 21:47.09 | Bagginsww | Zeal in warcraft anything dead that's come back in any form is "undead" :p |
| 21:47.25 | Bagginsww | unless it was brought back to actual life |
| 21:47.29 | Pzyk | except for undead! |
| 21:47.30 | Keolah | The only thing that bothers me about WoW's creature types is oozes and silithids not having a type is sloppy and inconsistant ;p |
| 21:47.34 | Zeal | i know, jsut making sure the gameplay term hadn't seeped into the races |
| 21:47.41 | Bagginsww | in the rpg oozes are oozes |
| 21:48.07 | Bagginsww | well the problem is zeal the gameplay term is also the lor eterm in the rpg explanations :p |
| 21:48.08 | Keolah | I can understand not wanting them tameable or trackable or anything, but would it have been so hard to make an "Ooze" creature type and such? :p |
| 21:48.16 | Keolah | It's not like there's any shortage of them... |
| 21:48.17 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 21:48.28 | Bagginsww | well forsaken are undead, yet humanoid in wow |
| 21:48.43 | Keolah | And most satyrs are demons, except a couple who are humanoid for some reason ;p |
| 21:48.45 | foxlit | Keolah: it's because nobody knows what the heck those oozes are |
| 21:48.52 | Zeal | i'm just thinking, Forsaken should have a race field, with human, high elf etc. |
| 21:48.53 | Bagginsww | but in the RPG they are just your average undead, have all the strenghts and weaknesses that come along with being udnead |
| 21:48.55 | foxlit | There's a quest in IF/Un'Goro to that effect |
| 21:49.07 | Keolah | But the _game_ should know what they are ;p |
| 21:49.23 | Bagginsww | rpg also has fey classification too |
| 21:49.34 | Bagginsww | alot of things classified as demons or humanoids in wow are actually fey |
| 21:49.41 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 21:49.46 | Zeal | never heard that one. |
| 21:49.47 | Bagginsww | like thoe grell |
| 21:49.55 | foxlit | The game forces your PoV :P |
| 21:50.07 | Bagginsww | [[fey]] |
| 21:50.08 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/fey |
| 21:50.13 | Bagginsww | does it redirect? |
| 21:50.21 | Zeal | ah, i see |
| 21:50.24 | Zeal | yeah |
| 21:50.52 | Bagginsww | but ya these classifications aren't just listed in classifications they get used in lore descriptions too |
| 21:51.04 | Zeal | lore fails |
| 21:51.06 | Zeal | :p |
| 21:51.20 | Bagginsww | the point is the RPG has a slightly more realistic way of categorizing things |
| 21:51.32 | Bagginsww | WoW is just more limited |
| 21:51.35 | Zeal | ofc |
| 21:52.13 | Zeal | kd3, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya or Elfen Lied next? |
| 21:52.26 | kd3 | you want violence or comedy? |
| 21:52.26 | Pzyk | you haven't watched haruhi yet? |
| 21:52.29 | Pzyk | watch haruhi. |
| 21:52.36 | Zeal | nope, i haven't, lol. |
| 21:52.39 | Zeal | i like both :P |
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| 21:52.48 | kd3 | haruhi then elfen |
| 21:53.10 | Zeal | hehe, kk. |
| 21:55.21 | Bagginsww | well take care all I'm going to play some more zelda |
| 21:55.58 | Zeal | hf, ttyl |
| 22:03.07 | kd3 | nope, the shade is classified as dragonkin, not undead |
| 22:05.01 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Balor#Zandalar |
| 22:08.25 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Blood Pact: Looking back at Locks - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/blood-pact-looking-back-at-locks/ |
| 22:11.02 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Azeroth_%28kingdom%29#Regions_of_Azeroth added balor to the regions list |
| 22:14.29 | Zeal | urgh.. |
| 22:14.42 | Zeal | cropped images of islands != helpful |
| 22:14.52 | Zeal | can tell where the hell it is, lol |
| 22:14.56 | Zeal | *can't |
| 22:15.24 | Bagginsww | its only there for the text |
| 22:15.34 | Bagginsww | which states "balor" |
| 22:15.43 | Zeal | i'm referring to http://www.wowwiki.com/Tel_Abim to be specific :P |
| 22:15.46 | Bagginsww | although some of the scans are blurry :p |
| 22:16.18 | Bagginsww | oh it should have a link to the larger map |
| 22:17.20 | Zeal | i should label these on my wall map |
| 22:18.19 | Bagginsww | you bought the wall map? |
| 22:18.23 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Kazan.JPG <-- what's that one from? |
| 22:18.23 | Bagginsww | or making one? |
| 22:18.24 | Zeal | yeah |
| 22:18.28 | Zeal | bought. |
| 22:18.30 | Bagginsww | that map is awsome |
| 22:18.35 | Zeal | indeed |
| 22:18.39 | Bagginsww | were you able to get it in a tube, or was it folded? |
| 22:18.40 | Zeal | shame it's already outdated :P |
| 22:18.43 | Zeal | tube |
| 22:18.47 | Bagginsww | your lucky |
| 22:18.51 | Zeal | direct from bradygames. |
| 22:18.59 | Bagginsww | oh ok I'll have to reorder it from them then :) |
| 22:19.10 | Bagginsww | well its only partially outdated |
| 22:19.16 | Zeal | i had a discount too, so it was win, lol |
| 22:19.41 | Bagginsww | funny thing was it was released not long before the release of TBC |
| 22:19.43 | Zeal | hope the release another pre-wotlk, or atleast after it. |
| 22:19.47 | Zeal | yeah, lol |
| 22:20.03 | Bagginsww | but ya we know sunwell island is getting added back in |
| 22:20.12 | Bagginsww | just the dimensions have been readjusted |
| 22:20.22 | Zeal | aye |
| 22:20.42 | Zeal | be nice to have the updated areas and FPs too. |
| 22:20.46 | Bagginsww | all WoW maps suffer from the scale issue of leaving no room of kul tiras :p |
| 22:20.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:21.09 | Bagginsww | [[South Seas]] was a post WoW map |
| 22:21.10 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/South_Seas |
| 22:21.13 | Zeal | well i love how on this Zandalar is huge. |
| 22:21.21 | Bagginsww | heh |
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| 22:22.30 | Zeal | no kezan on it, but it has tel abim, gilijim and lapadis |
| 22:23.59 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 22:24.04 | Zeal | oh yeah, missing bloodmyst and azuremyst too ofc :P |
| 22:24.09 | Bagginsww | kezan should be far south anyways |
| 22:24.25 | Bagginsww | off the map really |
| 22:24.28 | Zeal | keep wonders, what is the north set of isles? |
| 22:24.32 | Zeal | *wondering |
| 22:24.34 | Sandwichman2448 | Undermine was a contenent, not a city once. |
| 22:24.41 | Bagginsww | that's true |
| 22:24.53 | Bagginsww | well technically its the undercontinent it seems |
| 22:25.08 | Bagginsww | its huge and extends outside the island |
| 22:25.16 | Bagginsww | glass tubes and what not |
| 22:25.29 | Zeal | deep run trams all over the place ;) |
| 22:25.34 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 22:25.48 | Sandwichman2448 | No, just in a line that does not fit. |
| 22:26.10 | Bagginsww | that north set of islands disappears and reappears on maps :p |
| 22:26.33 | Bagginsww | its on some, and missing on others |
| 22:26.38 | Sandwichman2448 | It is just a minor detail? |
| 22:26.48 | Zeal | well it's gone on wotlk ofc, and alternates on everything else :P |
| 22:26.57 | Bagginsww | lol ya |
| 22:27.02 | Zeal | they oddly look liek a back-to-front broken isles :P |
| 22:27.08 | Bagginsww | ya :p |
| 22:27.19 | Bagginsww | which is obviously in the wrong area |
| 22:27.21 | Zeal | arthas moved them, honest ;) |
| 22:27.33 | Bagginsww | unless broken isles have been floating all over hte place |
| 22:27.42 | Zeal | or was it azshara? lol |
| 22:28.16 | Bagginsww | although that would be kinda cool of broken isles had some kind of orbit around the maelstrom LOL |
| 22:28.41 | Zeal | indeed |
| 22:28.58 | Bagginsww | during winter its in the north seas, during summer near the maelstrom near fall near kul tiras :p |
| 22:29.18 | Bagginsww | hits undermine during the spring :p |
| 22:29.40 | Bagginsww | at least that's what the goblins think :p |
| 22:29.58 | Zeal | what islands are we missing from the map.. Kul'Tiras, Zul'dare, Crestfall, Balor, Broken Isles, right? |
| 22:30.28 | Bagginsww | [[channel islands]] |
| 22:30.28 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/channel_islands |
| 22:30.30 | Zeal | oh.. Plunder Isle too |
| 22:30.34 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 22:30.50 | Bagginsww | any number of smaller Channel Islands |
| 22:31.03 | Bagginsww | whatever those small islands around balor are |
| 22:31.10 | Bagginsww | *and |
| 22:31.12 | Zeal | ah, those. |
| 22:31.22 | Bagginsww | that only exist in concept art |
| 22:31.59 | Bagginsww | btw there is text under Balor that looks lke some kind of explanation on one of the wow concept maps |
| 22:32.03 | Bagginsww | wishes I could read it |
| 22:32.07 | Zeal | so.. Hiji, where's that? |
| 22:32.16 | Bagginsww | I think its plunder isle's original name |
| 22:32.21 | Bagginsww | the same and general location is similar |
| 22:32.28 | Zeal | where's the image from? :S |
| 22:32.30 | Bagginsww | although plunder isle is a bit more north |
| 22:32.41 | Bagginsww | Dungeons and Dragons WArcraft the Roleplaying Game |
| 22:32.48 | Zeal | lame : / |
| 22:32.59 | Bagginsww | and you can see the entire map over in [[Azeroth]] I think |
| 22:33.03 | Bagginsww | [[Azeroth]] |
| 22:33.04 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Azeroth |
| 22:33.23 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:AzerothWRPG.jpg |
| 22:33.43 | Zeal | :o |
| 22:33.45 | Bagginsww | compare to the southseas map and you'll se the location is somewhat different than plunder isle |
| 22:33.47 | Zeal | silly me |
| 22:34.22 | Sandwichman2448 | This RfA this is a huge change. Do you think Pcj will win? |
| 22:34.34 | Bagginsww | oh and its interesting that map kind of splits Kalimdor into three continents by the name of Kalimdor, Mulgore and Durotar |
| 22:34.58 | Sandwichman2448 | Really? |
| 22:35.03 | Bagginsww | and Mount Hyjal possibly (though the text is somewhat smaller) |
| 22:35.16 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Azeroth_New_World_Map.jpg lol |
| 22:35.20 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:AzerothWRPG.jpg |
| 22:35.21 | Bagginsww | that map |
| 22:35.24 | Bagginsww | look at kalimdor |
| 22:35.33 | Bagginsww | it appears to have four continent designations |
| 22:35.41 | Bagginsww | like the easternside |
| 22:36.02 | Zeal | vote outcome doesn't matter afaik, it's merely to gain a view of opinions and concensus. |
| 22:36.15 | Zeal | admins still decided. just the way i like it. |
| 22:36.28 | Zeal | *decide |
| 22:36.42 | Sandwichman2448 | Do you think Pcj will win? |
| 22:37.06 | Zeal | no idea |
| 22:38.46 | Bagginsww | zeal decided on what? |
| 22:38.58 | pcj | [[WW:RFA#Pcj]] |
| 22:38.59 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:RFA#Pcj |
| 22:39.37 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 22:40.13 | Bagginsww | I abstain ;) |
| 22:41.26 | Bagginsww | btw I don't think our maps from WC3 and expansion are complete |
| 22:41.43 | Bagginsww | or the maps from WC2 |
| 22:41.58 | Bagginsww | We also don't have the ones from WC1 |
| 22:42.19 | Bagginsww | which I kinow are kinda blurry :p |
| 22:43.05 | Zeal | no idea if i even have any in my wc3 : / |
| 22:43.22 | Bagginsww | no maps on your loading screens? |
| 22:43.56 | Bagginsww | there was a website that had all the wc2 maps without the mission and act text |
| 22:43.58 | Bagginsww | but I can't find it |
| 22:44.03 | Zeal | oh, thought you meant manual. |
| 22:44.30 | Bagginsww | manual doesn't have all the maps |
| 22:45.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:AzerothLoC.JPG ok in game are there two islands north of westfall? |
| 22:45.55 | Bagginsww | and west of stormwind |
| 22:46.17 | Zeal | nope |
| 22:46.31 | Bagginsww | that might be balor |
| 22:46.48 | Bagginsww | if Balor is just a village on an unnamed island |
| 22:46.48 | Zeal | 3 west of westfall. lighthouse and the islands with the hut and tree on it or w/e. nothing big. |
| 22:47.10 | Bagginsww | ya lighthouse is in southwest Westfall right? |
| 22:47.26 | Zeal | mhm |
| 22:47.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Westfall_Map.jpg |
| 22:47.40 | Zeal | islands are pretty much west iirc, not nw. |
| 22:47.40 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 22:47.57 | Bagginsww | a bunch of islands but nothing that looks important or stands out like on that previous map I showed you |
| 22:49.47 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/9/94/AzerothLoC.JPG those two islands are bigger than anything seen on the westfall map |
| 22:49.52 | Kirkburn | Regarding the RfA, yes, it's not based on vote counts :) |
| 22:50.27 | pcj | heh |
| 22:51.36 | kd3 | wth... it's nearly 18:00 and it's only -2c outside |
| 22:52.18 | pcj | you're behind the keyboard! |
| 22:52.28 | Zeal | haha |
| 22:53.01 | Bagginsww | btw does someone want to add a trivia section to balor? |
| 22:53.09 | Bagginsww | mentoning its mythological roots |
| 22:53.11 | pcj | Oh boy, do I |
| 22:53.44 | pcj | Except I don't know anything about it |
| 22:53.57 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Azeroth_New_World_Map.jpg curious as to where the island west of stormwind is from on that. |
| 22:54.33 | Zeal | could be edited in as balor or something, but can't honestly tell |
| 22:54.40 | Zeal | certainly not from the wotlk map. |
| 22:55.25 | Zeal | if i knew what those mythological roots where, i'd probably still say no :P |
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| 22:55.49 | Kirkburn | We just went under 1,000 on Alexa :P |
| 22:55.59 | Sky2042_afk | yup |
| 22:57.29 | Bagginsww | well on that fan map there is a mysterious island around that area |
| 22:57.36 | Bagginsww | if you hadn't noticed |
| 22:57.56 | Bagginsww | near the weird penninsula |
| 22:58.29 | Zeal | thats what i was talking about :P |
| 22:58.44 | Zeal | not sure if it was from an old alpha map or not, or custom edited. |
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| 22:59.14 | Bagginsww | ahh I see |
| 22:59.35 | Bagginsww | but ya that island is roughly where the island is on the map I showed you |
| 22:59.42 | Bagginsww | minus the peninnsula |
| 23:00.03 | Zeal | yuup |
| 23:00.45 | Zeal | compare http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Crusade_Behind-the-Scenes_DVD with http://www.wowwiki.com/Behind-the-Scenes_DVD |
| 23:00.46 | Zeal | rofl |
| 23:00.58 | Bagginsww | the one major problem I can see with that fan map is it has The Rift enlarged when that area is properly known as The Eye |
| 23:01.00 | Bagginsww | :p |
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| 23:01.27 | Zeal | indeed |
| 23:01.40 | Zeal | mealstrom>eye>rift |
| 23:04.01 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 23:04.06 | Bagginsww | rift is an areay within the Eye |
| 23:04.12 | Bagginsww | *area |
| 23:04.24 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Celebrating the new year with a GM - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/02/celebrating-the-new-year-with-a-gm/ |
| 23:04.27 | Bagginsww | Eye is the only liveably area within the Maelstrom |
| 23:04.38 | Bagginsww | *liveable |
| 23:04.58 | Sky2042_afk | mealstrom, huh? |
| 23:05.03 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 23:05.08 | Sky2042_afk | fooooood |
| 23:05.12 | Bagginsww | where you can get your fill of fish |
| 23:05.15 | Bagginsww | seafood |
| 23:05.43 | Bagginsww | giant lobster and fishsticks |
| 23:05.50 | Bagginsww | and frog legs |
| 23:05.57 | Zeal | indeed |
| 23:06.03 | Zeal | boiled makura |
| 23:06.06 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 23:06.45 | Bagginsww | naga sticks, and murlock legs |
| 23:06.54 | Bagginsww | *murloc |
| 23:07.16 | Zeal | grilled mur'gull legs. |
| 23:07.21 | Sandwichman2448 | one l |
| 23:07.25 | Zeal | bah, lol |
| 23:07.26 | *** join/#wowwiki Ose (n=mathiaso@static142-224.adsl.no) |
| 23:07.47 | Sandwichman2448 | See Illigan danish 2? |
| 23:07.59 | pcj | wow not bad kirkburn |
| 23:08.04 | Sandwichman2448 | I was like 'Where is the ending?' |
| 23:08.06 | Ose | is it out? |
| 23:08.07 | Bagginsww | mur'gull legs heh |
| 23:08.10 | Sandwichman2448 | Yes! |
| 23:08.15 | Ose | w000000000000t! |
| 23:08.18 | [NewsBot] | BlizzPlanet: Epic WoW Stunt - Netherstorm to Hellfire jump - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1973 |
| 23:08.20 | Bagginsww | tastes like fel chicken |
| 23:09.11 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:10.20 | Bagginsww | http://www.zaphoyd.com/wowcemaps/web-Pages/Image3.html |
| 23:10.30 | Ose | anyway, I have a little problem with my sig, and I was wondering if anyone who actually understands this shit could help :P |
| 23:10.34 | Bagginsww | http://www.zaphoyd.com/wowcemaps/web-Pages/Image4.html |
| 23:10.39 | Bagginsww | if we could just make out that text under balor |
| 23:12.30 | Sandwichman2448 | Meni-Flreg Nerierg Slongi |
| 23:12.32 | Sandwichman2448 | That is what I got. |
| 23:12.35 | Zeal | where are the images from Bagginsww? |
| 23:12.40 | Pzyk | treasure slayer |
| 23:12.46 | Bagginsww | the dvd I believe |
| 23:12.56 | Pzyk | I'm pretty sure that last word is slayer |
| 23:13.22 | Bagginsww | I thought it said "Island" or Islands |
| 23:13.28 | Bagginsww | Treasure Island, :p |
| 23:13.32 | Bagginsww | Plunder Isle? |
| 23:13.40 | *** part/#wowwiki Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 23:13.57 | Bagginsww | which would fit the theory that balor became Plunder Isle :p |
| 23:14.27 | Bagginsww | but ya Pzyk the I is very faint, so if you leave off the I, it would appear as Sland or slay |
| 23:14.44 | Sandwichman2448 | new flk |
| 23:15.05 | Zeal | zoom is fun |
| 23:15.14 | Pzyk | wtb better resolution |
| 23:15.20 | Bagginsww | agrees |
| 23:15.26 | Bagginsww | we must raid blizzard |
| 23:15.28 | Bagginsww | for the maps |
| 23:15.34 | Sandwichman2448 | Or get the DvD |
| 23:15.35 | Bagginsww | and Warcraft Adventure |
| 23:15.44 | Bagginsww | the dvd needs better resolution |
| 23:15.49 | Pzyk | maybe the CIA got to them or something |
| 23:15.59 | Bagginsww | I have the dvd but its back home |
| 23:16.10 | Sandwichman2448 | ** **** *** *** * ***** **** ***** |
| 23:16.27 | pcj | sky2042 / kirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Intre |
| 23:17.07 | Bagginsww | on the other hand zeal those maps also have the little island west of Stormwind which could blow away the idea that that was balor :p |
| 23:17.14 | Sandwichman2448 | Intre? French or typo? |
| 23:17.38 | Sandwichman2448 | Oh, a user |
| 23:17.49 | Zeal | or someone spilt some ink :p |
| 23:18.24 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 23:18.36 | Sandwichman2448 | He is a vandal |
| 23:18.51 | *** join/#wowwiki sdouble (n=sdouble@12.206.92.247) |
| 23:18.53 | Zeal | just musing over the idea of a menethil->kul'tiras boat. |
| 23:18.55 | *** part/#wowwiki sdouble (n=sdouble@12.206.92.247) |
| 23:19.45 | Sandwichman2448 | Undermine -> Kul'tiras |
| 23:20.45 | Sandwichman2448 | Looky this fan art |
| 23:20.50 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.clockwork-epoch.com/gallery/undermine.jpg |
| 23:21.27 | Sandwichman2448 | Googled Undermine, that came up. |
| 23:21.37 | Zeal | interesting how it has balor in a huge range of islands. and then a tiny tomb of sargeras. |
| 23:22.57 | Zeal | cool |
| 23:23.20 | Pzyk | you'd think parking a big balloon full of gas right next to a lava pit would be a bad idea. |
| 23:23.40 | Bagginsww | loading the map |
| 23:23.57 | Bagginsww | trying to load it :p |
| 23:24.21 | Zeal | i wonder if we will indded get a port from ratchet to valgard, lol. |
| 23:24.22 | Sandwichman2448 | That many bombs by lava. |
| 23:24.26 | Bagginsww | Hmm "newly named treasure islands"? |
| 23:24.26 | Zeal | *indeed |
| 23:25.05 | Sandwichman2448 | [[Valgarde]] |
| 23:25.05 | [NewsBot] | Sandwichman2448 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Valgarde |
| 23:25.31 | Sandwichman2448 | The docks have not been fully shown. |
| 23:25.35 | Bagginsww | I think their should be some neutral goblin zeps |
| 23:25.36 | Pzyk | wait |
| 23:25.42 | Bagginsww | *there |
| 23:25.58 | Pzyk | didn't they already set the zepp points at blizzcon? |
| 23:26.07 | Zeal | woot, i cna play the dvd |
| 23:26.14 | Zeal | not afaik :s |
| 23:26.53 | Pzyk | I just remember that journalists were complaining that they spawned on the mainland, had the respec all their stuff, and take a 5 minute ride from somewhere before they actually saw anything |
| 23:27.19 | Pzyk | =/ maybe I'm tripping. |
| 23:27.30 | Sandwichman2448 | Dude... |
| 23:28.40 | Zeal | Bagginsww which chapter>title? |
| 23:28.41 | Bagginsww | I hopes that someday the world will be made seamless |
| 23:28.42 | kd3 | gah, I can barely feel my hands. maybe I shouldn't be typing |
| 23:28.50 | Bagginsww | not sure zeal |
| 23:28.55 | Bagginsww | the first one I think |
| 23:28.59 | Bagginsww | discussing the world |
| 23:29.03 | Bagginsww | designing the world |
| 23:29.19 | Zeal | 34>1 |
| 23:29.24 | Zeal | :) |
| 23:29.48 | Zeal | bah, really doesn't help, lol. |
| 23:30.03 | pcj | Hmm, are articles like http://www.wowwiki.com/CapnBry really valid in the main namespace? |
| 23:30.51 | Zeal | dunno tbh |
| 23:31.11 | Pzyk | not really |
| 23:31.25 | Pzyk | sounds more like a user page |
| 23:31.37 | pcj | It's not even a user... |
| 23:31.50 | pcj | It's a freaking old page too |
| 23:32.05 | Bagginsww | sounds deletable |
| 23:32.18 | Pzyk | [[Sell Value]] is the only page that links to it. |
| 23:32.18 | [NewsBot] | Pzyk meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Sell_Value |
| 23:32.53 | pcj | Ah |
| 23:33.25 | Pzyk | I'd say delete the capnbry page and just link to his site on the Sell Value page |
| 23:33.41 | Sandwichman2448 | Merge with sell value? |
| 23:33.52 | pcj | That's what I did |
| 23:34.11 | Sandwichman2448 | K |
| 23:34.44 | Bagginsww | so uh kirkburn you datamined the orca image? |
| 23:34.52 | pcj | lol |
| 23:34.59 | Bagginsww | and so can it be used on whale page or not :p |
| 23:35.24 | Zeal | baggins, your lapadis images, are they not from private servers? :p |
| 23:35.33 | Sandwichman2448 | Beta. |
| 23:35.39 | Sandwichman2448 | I hope. |
| 23:35.55 | Zeal | dunno, i found "you teach yourself polymorph" a bit suspect :p |
| 23:35.59 | Bagginsww | beta page |
| 23:36.15 | Bagginsww | there is no lapidas on private serers |
| 23:36.17 | Sandwichman2448 | The polymorph books. |
| 23:36.18 | Bagginsww | just empty sea ;) |
| 23:36.29 | Sandwichman2448 | turtle pig seal |
| 23:36.35 | Zeal | at lvl 12 sandwhichman (i've not played mage much btw) |
| 23:36.37 | Bagginsww | well it could be a private server using the beta cliant :p |
| 23:36.45 | Zeal | aye |
| 23:36.52 | Bagginsww | but hard to tell |
| 23:36.54 | Zeal | private servers with alpha builds out there. |
| 23:37.03 | Bagginsww | ya it would be alpha not beta |
| 23:37.04 | kd3 | poly:seal? the hell? |
| 23:37.26 | Bagginsww | I hope :) |
| 23:37.36 | Bagginsww | poly seal would be awesome additon to Wotlk |
| 23:37.41 | Zeal | hehe |
| 23:37.56 | kd3 | I'd prefer poly:penguin |
| 23:38.02 | Bagginsww | seals were one of the polymorph animals from warcraft ii |
| 23:38.02 | Zeal | i wanna tame pengiuns in northrend. :P |
| 23:38.06 | Bagginsww | whenever on a frozen map |
| 23:38.07 | Ose | what an awesome movie! |
| 23:38.08 | Sandwichman2448 | yeah |
| 23:38.20 | Sandwichman2448 | No ending, ose. |
| 23:38.25 | Bagginsww | pig is a variation of the boar polymorph in warcraft II |
| 23:38.36 | Sandwichman2448 | But boars can fight. |
| 23:38.42 | Bagginsww | not in warcraft ii |
| 23:38.58 | Bagginsww | and seals can be vicious btw |
| 23:39.05 | Sandwichman2448 | They needed to make it harmless in WoW. |
| 23:39.18 | Zeal | indeed, they can kill with cuteness ;) |
| 23:39.30 | Bagginsww | nah they have teeth :p |
| 23:39.34 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:39.42 | Bagginsww | often battle each other for the women |
| 23:40.01 | Kirkburn | I have no idea what orca picture you're talking about :) |
| 23:40.03 | Bagginsww | elephent seals are a good example |
| 23:40.09 | Bagginsww | the one in wow? |
| 23:40.36 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:MiniOrca.png |
| 23:40.43 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 23:40.44 | Ose | I was in strat earliier today, and I got mind controlled while having a target sheeped, and it became red "with" me :P |
| 23:41.26 | Bagginsww | but ya elephent seals tend to bash into each other over females :p |
| 23:41.31 | Bagginsww | sea lions are similar |
| 23:41.43 | Bagginsww | I can't speak for every single species of seal of course |
| 23:42.10 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image_talk:MiniOrca.png |
| 23:43.45 | Kirkburn | *sigh* |
| 23:44.00 | Ose | can anyone tell me why my sig splits into to lines? http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Ose/Sig/Test |
| 23:49.29 | Kirkburn | Ose, way too many opening <span>s not enough closing </span>s |
| 23:49.59 | Kirkburn | Will tweak |
| 23:51.16 | Ose | that's what usually happens with copypasta :p |
| 23:52.59 | Ose | thanks Kirk |
| 23:53.17 | Kirkburn | np |
| 23:55.01 | Kirkburn | Since my arm has been twisted, {{FC/17}} is changed |
| 23:55.43 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:57.05 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 23:57.18 | Bagginsww | sigh I so wanted that orca in the whale article :p |
| 23:58.58 | Zeal | well i'm off, nn all |
| 23:59.24 | Bagginsww | ugh formating peoples, :p |
