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00:04.34Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Future_race_ideas&action=history
00:05.48Kirochi?
00:06.01Kirochiaw, Garm in trouble again
00:07.38pcjheh
00:08.38Kirochireminds me of the good old days
00:09.02Kirochiwhen Xmuskrat would have traded his soul for a viable Rumored Races page
00:13.15piu"It's this mat, that you lay on the floor, and it has "conclusions" written on it, that you can "jump to"  !!
00:13.45piuoffice space on TV
00:14.07Kirochinite
00:25.15Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas#Pandaren_not_part_of_alliance_.28TBC_Interviews.29
00:34.15Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas#Pandaren_not_part_of_alliance_.28TBC_Interviews.29
00:40.35Fisker-http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fisker/stats/TF2
00:40.38Fisker-I OWN YOU Kirkburn
00:45.01[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Glove enchants for the discerning Druid - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/29/glove-enchants-for-the-discerning-druid/
00:46.30Bagginswwyep garm is very strange
00:46.54Bagginswwhe acts like future race ideas is a page in order to convince blizzard to create race for a faction, :p
00:47.12Bagginswwthus if that means trying to discredit one side over the other :p
00:47.28Bagginswwdespite stuff blizzard has stated
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00:47.49FIREguys i have a question
00:48.23Fisker-no me
00:48.26piu24
00:48.28piuno
00:48.38piuwait what?
00:48.58piuwhat's up fire?
00:49.01DottedFisker- how many insane challenges have you done in peggle?
00:49.28Fisker-them all
00:50.25Fisker-This is lunacy
00:50.59Fisker-almost got 4000g :o
00:51.37Fisker-must... wait... for the G90 series
00:52.35Dotted[+Fisker-]: them all <- lies
00:53.01Fisker-no
00:53.30Fisker-although i used max hax
00:53.49Fisker-TF2
01:23.59FIREguys
01:24.06FIREi need help with a quest
01:24.13FIREis that off topic?
01:24.26Kirkburn10th October, here we come Fisker- :P
01:24.30KirkburnFIRE, which quest?
01:24.35FIREmirror lake
01:24.47KirkburnElwynn?
01:25.00FIREno its like southwest of stormwind
01:25.00KirkburnOr is that Crystal Lake, I don't recall
01:25.05FIREno
01:25.14KirkburnWhat's up?
01:25.34FIREi know where it is but when i get there i cant find the exact place to fill bottle up
01:26.12FIREany1 got any ideas
01:29.12KirkburnHere? http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Mirror_Lake.jpg
01:29.57KirkburnLake above Forest's Edge on here I guess? http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Elwynn_Forest_Map.jpg
01:30.07KirkburnDon't know the quest or spot though
01:34.00BagginswwHmm kirkburn I think we should probably remove "dragonkin" from the future race ideas
01:34.08Bagginswwdue to game mechanic rules
01:34.21Bagginswwsure they could go the Undead Forsaken route and make them humanoid
01:34.27Bagginswwbut that's unlikely
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01:36.49KirkburnDragonkin?
01:37.11KirkburnSome could be made humanoid I do think
01:38.03LukianKirkburn, I agree
01:39.18Bagginsww<PROTECTED>
01:39.22Bagginswwbut that's diffferent than humanoid
01:39.31Bagginswwpretty much immune to alot of the thigns of normal humanoids
01:42.00KirkburnIs there's a removal section on dragonkin on the talk page?
01:43.35KirkburnWoot, http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Article_Management_Tags now all use Ambox :)
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01:44.18FIREya guys those pictures were no help i already knew where to go but not EXACTLY where to go
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01:47.41piuwhat's the exact quest name
01:48.40Bagginswwkirkburn at times yes
01:49.05Bagginswwand we use the same arguement for "elementals" and other non humanoid races
01:49.06FIREmirror lake
01:49.23BagginswwI can see where garm was occusing people of being "hypocritical"
01:50.38piuyou found the waterfall at the lake?
01:53.14piu[[Quest:Mirror Lake]]
01:53.15[NewsBot]piu meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Mirror_Lake
02:07.07Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Zakolj#Copyright_issues
02:13.06FIREya i found it but when i get there and use the bottle it says "needs mirror lake falls" or something
02:13.49piudid you jump in the water and get right under it?
02:17.13FIRE?
02:17.34FIREwhat do you mean by "right under it"
02:17.56piulike, jump in the water and stand right where the water is falling
02:18.04Kirkburnomfg, the things you find on the wiki - http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Voting
02:18.18KirkburnI didn't even know we had this crap :/
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02:25.52Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas
02:25.59Bagginswwgod garm is an idiot
02:26.17Bagginswwsorry excuse me for taking the lord's name in vain :p
02:26.28BagginswwHe's showing his true colors
02:26.37Bagginswwthat he's another one of those horde fanatics
02:27.35Bagginswwcan we please make the page a locked page, with admin edits after peer discussion? :p
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02:33.13KirkburnOMG VOTE: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Voting#Deletion_vote
02:34.01piuvoting on voting? *head asplode*
02:36.36Kirkburnhehe
02:36.42KirkburnIt's a deletion vote, at least :P
02:38.26FIREhey pui
02:38.33FIREpiu*
02:38.40KirkburnI felt it would be a little extreme to use a vote vote to vote on the vote policy vote.
02:38.54piusup?
02:40.22Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas#Pandaren_not_part_of_alliance_.28TBC_Interviews.29
02:40.23Bagginsww:p
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02:41.53FIREits a pretty wide space and i cnat find the right place this is really getting to me
02:42.14piuI haven't done the quest, my mage is gnome not human
02:42.31piubut usually these quests have a certain place you can stand to use the item
02:42.37piuin the photo on the quest page
02:42.44piu[[Quest:Mirror Lake]]
02:42.44[NewsBot]piu meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Mirror_Lake
02:43.12piuon the far right, I see falls right by the rocks, you probably have to stand right there
02:43.28piuand right-click the flask item to fill it
02:43.47piuthat's about all I can say, only a guess anyways
02:45.33[NewsBot]WoW Insider: "There was nothing personal about it." - New WoTLK interview from 1Up - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/29/there-was-nothing-personal-about-it-new-wotlk-interview-fro/
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03:12.00Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Kirkburn.27s_wild_weekend
03:13.57KirkburnToo wild for pcj, methinks
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03:27.19Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Half-orc#What_Makes_a_Half-Orc.3F
03:27.54KirkburnA penchant for spikiness
03:28.07KirkburnDamn, I misread as fel orc
03:30.20BagginswwLOL
03:30.38Bagginswwwell I have no clue why it was in the half-orc article and it looks more like a troll, :p
03:31.28Bagginswwspecifically a witch doctor
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03:46.17Kirkburn|sleepNight all
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04:26.19OlisonBibi: mind sharing your points->rating forumla with me? :>
04:26.34BibiLOL NO
04:26.35BibiSECRET
04:26.45Bibi(Ctrl + U and steal the source code, like everyone else :p)
04:28.02[NewsBot]MMO Champion: More season 3 information, rating calculator update - http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=1416.0
04:29.35Olisonah there it is :D
04:29.41Olisonok, /me steals
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04:59.29OlisonBibi: maybe you can help me out, im not familiar with js math, what does the ,10 mean here? parseInt(Math.log((1511.26/(1639.28*points/coeff))-(1/1639.28))/(-0.00412),10)
04:59.30Olison:o
05:02.32Bibididn't code it
05:02.33Bibi:D
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05:09.52Olisonk ;(
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06:48.42BagginswwImage:Teldrassilmovie.jpg
06:48.50Bagginswwooh teldrassil that doesn't look like a stupm
06:48.52Bagginsww*stump
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11:39.30[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Legal Blogs React to Jack Thompson’s Gay Porn Court Filing - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/09/30/law-blogs-react-to-jack-thompsons-gay-porn-court-filing/
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12:05.33[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: The clothes you wish you could wear - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/30/breakfast-topic-the-clothes-you-wish-you-could-wear/
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13:41.33[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Patch 2.3: Let's play Gladiator Mix-n-match! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/30/patch-2-3-lets-play-gladiator-mix-n-match/
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13:59.10Kirochihello there
14:02.05KirochiI think this is the time for a new term to be introduced
14:05.33[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Around Azeroth: Above Garadar - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/30/around-azeroth-above-garadar/
14:06.48KirochiWe have to distinguish Race and Species
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14:19.30[NewsBot]GamePolitics: Gamer Protests Mod Chip Raids, Gets Off-Topic Form Letter Back - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/09/30/congressional-out-of-touchiness-gamer-protests-federal-mod-chip-raids-gets-back-off-topic-form-letter/
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14:31.55TaurmindoThraeBot: char eu the venture co ithildess
14:31.58ThraeBotTaurmindo: Ithildess, Level 70 Undead Priest (14/0/47). 7781 HP; 7350 Mana; 138 mana regen; 28 mp5; 136 spell crit; 134 spell hit; 950 +spell dmg/heal; 183 frost dmg (1133); 338 shadow dmg (1288); 4.90% dodge; 10 shadow resist (+10);[[ TBR: 996 ][ Link: http://tinyurl.com/yue4wg ][ Talents: http://tinyurl.com/2wq95n ][ Updated: Sun Sep 30 10:47:17 2007 EST ]]
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14:53.28Foxbothi
14:54.18foxlitDifferent core stack, just checking that things generally work
14:56.01Kirochihttp://www.wowwiki.com/Species
14:58.27Kirkburn|sleepMorning
14:59.03Kirochimorning
14:59.28KirochiKirkburn, betcha still haven't read my lecture
14:59.35Kirkburnumm
15:04.36KirkburnWe have Warcraft movie images?!?
15:04.38Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Teldrassilmovie.jpg
15:04.53Kirochimerely one, methinks
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15:05.18Kirochifrom the BlizzCon, supposedly
15:05.27KirkburnLooks pretty cool though
15:05.32KirkburnI missed that briefing ><
15:06.45Kirochiheh, looks like they had many meetings at the same time
15:07.46Kirochihttp://media.movies.ign.com/media/826/826940/imgs_1.html
15:08.06Kirochihttp://movies.ign.com/articles/810/810702p1.html
15:16.13winkillerhow can I tell Foxbot to not process one item? and how do I add one?
15:20.33Taurmindoso, a messy tactic on a boss-page.. should it have stub/strategy + wikify banners?
15:21.23foxlitwinkiller: that is not the foxbot you're looking for.
15:21.55winkillerhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Recipe:_Flask_or_Chromatic_Wonder => or -> of
15:22.08winkillerso this one out of queue, and "of" in
15:22.34winkillerand it's been months since I used foxbot, I'm sorry :/
15:23.14foxlitThere is no real queue as such
15:23.28foxlitpcj just uses the template to generate a category which he then feeds to foxbot periodically
15:23.39foxlitIn that case, tag it for speedydelete (typo)
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15:23.55foxlitOr move it to the correct page
15:24.10winkillerah ok
15:26.17piuwhat's a good average sinister strike for a level 70 rogue?
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15:34.01foxlit!item Balanced Shadow Draenite, Blackrock Medallion, Blood of Amber, Cortello's Treasure
15:34.01FoxbotOkay, foxlit, queued Balanced Shadow Draenite, Blackrock Medallion, Blood of Amber, Cortello's Treasure.
15:34.31foxlithrm
15:34.34Lukianwaht's that do?
15:36.12foxlit!item Infused Shadow Draenite, Legion Missive, Magic Broom, Recipe: Flask of Chromatic Wonder
15:36.13FoxbotOkay, foxlit, queued Infused Shadow Draenite, Legion Missive, Magic Broom, Recipe: Flask of Chromatic Wonder.
15:36.28foxlitImports item pages to the wiki
15:36.55foxlitNew stub tags clash with item tooltips in safari
15:37.28foxlitAnd firefox.
15:37.46foxlitKirkburn: ping.
15:38.01AFKDuTempeteclash how?
15:38.08Lukianbrb
15:38.25foxlitText gets superimposed on top of both of their backgrounds rather than wrapping
15:38.34KirkburnLink?
15:38.42AFKDuTempetetext from which?
15:38.48foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/Infused_Shadow_Draenite
15:39.16AFKDuTempeteI see no problems, foxlit
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15:39.39AFKDuTempeteI think your mac sucks.  Stop using it.
15:40.21KirkburnTooltip needs to be turned into a table, I think
15:40.53foxlitEr
15:41.04KirkburnIt's a div
15:41.04foxlitThe reverse, imo
15:41.21foxlitIt's also firefox in win32
15:41.34KirkburnYou want me to turn the stubs into div? >_>
15:41.39AFKDuTempetelol
15:42.35foxlitPerhaps not.
15:42.41foxlitI assumed they were divs as well
15:42.59KirkburnIt's worse on IE :P
15:43.07foxlitIE wraps, so it at least looks decent
15:43.12Kirkburnhaha
15:43.14foxlitHover tooltips don't work on IE7, iirc
15:43.33KirkburnThey do
15:43.46foxlitDidn't Mikk fix this earlier?
15:43.51piuhow does the tooltip hover code find the tooltip portion of a page?
15:44.09foxlitAsk it :)
15:44.09KirkburnAsk pcj
15:44.15KirkburnMikk fix what?
15:44.48foxlitBands clashing with hovering elements
15:45.05KirkburnVia crazy code, yes
15:45.07foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Infoline
15:45.10KirkburnBut it shouldn't be needed
15:45.38foxlitIt's not rendering properly in virtually 100% of common user agents
15:45.56foxlitIE wraps, firefox and safari compromise readability.
15:47.02KirkburnThus my guidelines on WW:MOS
15:47.14KirkburnThey should be placed at the top of an article where possible
15:47.41foxlitThey referring to?
15:47.42KirkburnThe idea isn't for the stubs to be as wide as possible, they're supposed to be 80% width
15:47.51KirkburnArticle management tags, stubs, etc
15:48.08foxlitmax-width
15:48.51foxlitDoesn't really help with section-stubs
15:48.55KirkburnIndeed :P
15:49.28KirkburnTbh, for that article, the whole article is a stub, not just the source
15:50.23foxlitDoesn't really matter.
15:50.25KirkburnWhat could be possible is to have the main AM tag at the top, and have a smaller generic stub text to mark out the missing sections
15:51.11foxlitIt's much easier to fix am tag code to work anywhere, rather than moving text around to accomodate technical issues
15:52.15KirkburnThis is how article management tags are supposed to appear - http://www.wowwiki.com/Infused_Shadow_Draenite
15:56.14KirkburnWhy am I not seeing the overlap on here? http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev4
15:58.56foxlitCause the table is not an ambox
16:00.45KirkburnAha
16:04.15KirkburnSomewhat confusing, since it's now a problem, but I didn't actually change the design ...
16:05.35[NewsBot]WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: M A.G.E. - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/30/wow-moviewatch-m-a-g-e/
16:08.22foxlitYour first table has a slight error
16:08.35foxlitstyle="...;width:80% ;"
16:09.05foxlitIf you do it that way, width gets ignored
16:09.14foxlitSo it just resizes the table sanely.
16:09.42foxlitIf width: 80%; is in there, div is forced to 80% of container width. Container in this case is the page, and 80% of that gets you right into the tooltip.
16:09.52foxlit(or, rather, the content div)
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16:10.40foxlitIn short, http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Kirkburn/Dev4&oldid=900531 doesn't overlap because you made a slight typo
16:11.01foxlitIt also doesn't behave like you want to - divs take up 100% of available space rather than 80%.
16:11.53Kirkburnaha
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16:18.34Kirkburnfoxlit, I still say they should be page headers
16:18.48KirkburnAs per http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev2
16:19.29foxlitMoving those items into the page title itself would be more interesting
16:19.51KirkburnHow do you mean?
16:20.24foxlitTake a 32x32 icon for every state, and add it to the <h1>User:Kirkburn/Dev2<>
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16:20.43foxlitSort of like the wikipedia button
16:20.44foxlithttp://www.wowwiki.com/World_of_Warcraft
16:21.03KirkburnThe problem there is that it wouldn't be noticeable enough
16:21.31foxlitDoes it really need to be?
16:21.44foxlit(what's with the no-links links on http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Patches )
16:23.10KirkburnPatches we don't have notes for
16:23.24KirkburnThey existed, but not for the US or EU
16:23.51foxlitOh?
16:23.54Kirkburnhmm, actually, I should remove 2.2.1
16:24.38foxlitIt's a navbox.
16:25.20KirkburnI know, but they are patches that exist
16:25.28foxlitIt should either be a broken link, or it shouldn't be there at all, depending on whether we want to archive korean/chinese patchnotes
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16:27.09KirkburnThey wouldn't be in english :P
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16:29.15KirkburnGive a man a fish and he'll eat it for lunch. Teach a man to fish, and he'll destroy your ecosystem.
16:41.17AFKDuTempetelol
16:41.42AFKDuTempeteAnywho, really afk, now.  Moving to laptop in the living room, and I'm too lazy to log into IRC, there.
16:42.09AFKDuTempetePlus, I have work to do, and you people are a horrible distraction. :P
16:42.15AFKDuTempete<insert dog smiley> Kirkburn.
16:42.32Kirkburn!jobqueue, AFKDuTempete
16:42.43KirkburnAlso, woof
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17:37.46LukianThis is madness!
17:39.57Sky2042NO! THIS IS SPAAAAAAAAAAAAARTA!
17:41.41Sky2042wtf. they removed detect magic
17:41.43Sky2042i r sad
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17:45.51Lukianyeah I saw that a few days ago
17:46.14Lukianblizz are like , ok you can take all warlocks with you now
17:46.44Sky2042lol, nah. i actually used it to mark shep
17:46.46Sky2042:(
17:46.56Lukianoh nice
17:48.31Sky2042or i sometimes used it as a hunter's mark
17:48.42Lukianbeing immune to daze effects in skettis is sooo good :D
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17:50.45Jiyambihullo people
17:54.18Sky2042ullo.
17:56.38JiyambiSky did you see Clyde Jr.'s suggestion in the village pump?
17:57.57Bibi`Fisker-
17:58.00Bibi`you be here ?
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17:58.08Sky2042i did, and his suggestion is good, but I can't condone Cynra's. the way wikipedia does their projects makes me sick. xD
17:59.13JiyambiWell, I would agree there, though we could steal elements of it
17:59.24Jiyambithey also just have a billion more projects than we would :P
17:59.53JiyambiI think a category page is a possible solution though, it would make the list easy to keep updated
18:00.20Bibibah Fisker- is no be here :(
18:00.23Bibiand Adys|sleep either :(
18:00.28Bibii've got no friends !
18:02.21Sky2042bibi: fisker- is in #wowhead
18:02.38Sky2042well, i killed him there, so he might not be, but oh well.
18:02.39Sky2042:D
18:09.11JiyambiSky2042: any ideas on how we could create a project page?
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18:12.14Jiyambihmmmmmm
18:13.44JiyambiYou talking about the to do in the community portal, or the category to do?
18:15.37Sky2042both
18:16.47JiyambiHmmm, I don't see why we couldn't either A: create a subcategory for projects or B: just add projects to the To Do category themselves. I think I favor the subcategory, but I am seeing if any of the pages there already serve this purpose
18:24.24Sky2042coll of week?
18:26.30Jiyambi[[WoWWiki:Community Portal/Collaborations/COTW]]
18:26.31[NewsBot]Jiyambi meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Community_Portal/Collaborations/COTW
18:27.13Jiyambihasn't been updated in over a year....
18:27.42piurename to collaboration of the year!
18:27.47Jiyambihehe
18:28.14JiyambiThe info on the page is still useful, perhaps it could be added to the project page if we get it up and running
18:28.44piuyeah, speaking of projects
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18:29.53Sky2042jiyambi: hmm
18:30.09Sky2042i can prolly fiddle with all of this.
18:30.26piuanyone have ideas on a centralized "project" area?
18:30.39piuor is that what you're talking about now and I just logged in mid-convo
18:30.42Jiyambiyuppers
18:30.54Sky2042piu: yup
18:31.08piuwell, I support the idea if it means anything
18:31.14JiyambiWe were thinking perhaps as a subcategory of the to do category, or maybe just making projects categorized under to do....
18:31.26piuI know about DT's warlock project only because I saw it on the VP long ago
18:31.35Sky2042jiyambi: could prolly just get rid of that page and move WoWWiki:CP/Collaborations to WoWWiki:Wikiprojects or something like that
18:32.35JiyambiHmmm, why not just WoWWiki:Projects?
18:32.40Jiyambigrrrrr
18:33.02Jiyambidid your chat put a smiley in the middle of that? cause mine did.....
18:33.16piunot mine
18:33.37piuWowwiki <colon> Projects
18:33.42Jiyambihehe
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18:33.52Jiyambiokay good *glares at pidgin*
18:34.28Sky2042Jiyambi: lol, no, mine didn't either. you could use ww:projects if you want to.
18:34.37Sky2042wikiprojects or proects, no matter
18:35.00Jiyambiokies, I personally would just prefer "projects" to "wikiprojets", since it is simpler
18:35.27piu[[WoWWiki:Projects]] for the general project guidelines?
18:35.27[NewsBot]piu meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Projects
18:35.53Sky2042the list also, i think
18:35.59piuindividual projects called [[WoWWiki:Project Mage]] ?
18:36.42JiyambiThe list could be in category form, I think that would be easiest for updating purposes
18:36.51Sky2042piu: ew!
18:37.11piuyou probably want: [[WoWWiki:Mage Project]]
18:37.25JiyambiDo the individual projects need to be in the WoWWiki namespace?
18:37.26Sky2042Mage project, maybe
18:37.29Jiyambihehe
18:37.31Sky2042Jiyambi: yes
18:37.34Jiyambikk
18:37.37piuwell, wikipedia uses WikiProject
18:37.38Sky2042they aren't part of the content
18:37.50piuand all projects follow WikiProject X
18:37.56Sky2042piu: yes, but that's what i hate.
18:38.13piuit offends your delicate sensibilities?
18:38.14Kirkburn|afkCareful about making too many pages
18:38.44KirkburnOne page would probably be enough, tbh, with the talk page working out the details
18:38.52Sky2042^
18:38.53piuI have several projects I'd like to start and/or contribute
18:38.56Sky2042ty kirkburn
18:39.16JiyambiHmmmm, It seems it could get very cluttered if there are not serparate pages for each project though....
18:39.31Jiyambium serperate = separate
18:39.33KirkburnBest to start small, I reckon
18:39.35piuYeah, you kinda need a seperate page for each project
18:39.42KirkburnWe don't know how popular it'd be until it's started
18:39.55Sky2042ww:proj/name, maybe
18:39.57piuwith deletion criteria if it is created but left stagnant for too long
18:40.01KirkburnIf you make too much at once, it doesn't get used
18:40.32JiyambiTrue.... Okay some projects are simple anyways. How about, if it's a more complicated project it gets a separate page, and a summary on the main page with a link.
18:40.42KirkburnIndeedy
18:40.43JiyambiBut most are just described on the main page
18:40.50JiyambiI'm good with that
18:40.54Kirkburne.g. the darktable project doesn't need it's own page
18:40.58Kirkburn*its
18:41.08Jiyambikk
18:41.10piusomething like a Lore Project might get it's own page, that's a huge cross-section of the wiki
18:41.25KirkburnIt could replace the Community Portal, tbh
18:41.45Jiyambihmmmm, i dunno - It could definitely have a link there at least
18:41.57Sky2042Kirkburn: com-p needs redoing with css colors :|
18:42.04KirkburnIt sure does
18:42.22KirkburnNeeds a complete revamp, really
18:42.29KirkburnIt's been on my todo for aages
18:42.37KirkburnI'll try and take a look at it soon
18:42.42Jiyambicoolness
18:43.00Kirkburnpart of the reason is all the subpages :/
18:43.46Jiyambioy, my boyfriend is cleaning house and its making me feel guilty, i better go help out
18:43.58JiyambiI will talk to you people laters :)
18:44.18Kirkburntoodles :)
18:44.30Sky2042_afki must also be leaving thee
18:44.33Sky2042_afkwerk!
18:44.34KirkburnIt is a woman's job, after all :P
18:44.39Sky2042_afkouch
18:44.39piuanything related to starting up proper projects probably needs a pass on the village pump
18:44.42Sky2042_afkthat was harsh!
18:45.17KirkburnPC should arrive 2moro
18:45.49Bagginswwgg it annoys me to no end how garm keep son adding thigns or changing things in future race ideas without any consensus being formed in the talk pages
18:45.54Bagginswwlike he is the one man consensus
18:47.14Sky2042_afkkirkburn: if it isn't alread ythere, could we get something like "no fanfic" for ww:fa?
18:47.17Sky2042_afk:/
18:47.22Sky2042_afk:|
18:47.37KirkburnAdd it :)
18:47.56Sky2042_afkmk... will do
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18:49.06KirkburnI had been meaning to do it
18:49.38Sky2042_afki'll go do it when i get home, prolly
18:49.42Teomyrhi
18:49.56Sky2042_afkhi?
18:49.59Sky2042_afkhi!
18:50.42KirkburnHey Teo
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18:53.46Bagginswwno one ever reads the heading of future race ideas or follows it :p
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18:57.24Kirkburn:(
19:00.24BagginswwI'd like to add a new caveate to it, if you don't follow these rules you will be warned, if you continue to not follow it you will be given a suspension :p
19:01.16Bagginswwwe already have the not as blunt warning about it things should not be allowed to become a battleground of clashing ideas.
19:01.19Bagginswwin reference to edit wars
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19:03.10Fisker-almost 1337
19:03.15Fisker-btw i hate you Kirkburn
19:04.18KirkburnBagginsww, I have an idea to help with that
19:04.33KirkburnJust going shopping now, but will look when I'm back
19:06.15BagginswwI'm going to add one minor addition to the intro, still on the non-blunt side
19:09.37[NewsBot]WoW Insider: WoR previews Zul'Aman - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/30/wor-previews-zulaman/
19:09.49Fisker-NO
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19:10.00Fisker-we need a filter on WoR, Wolrdofraids etc.
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19:17.24Dottedownt Fisker-
19:18.29Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Future_race_ideas/Intro
19:18.32Bagginswwa few changes
19:20.23Fisker-TF2 tiem
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19:45.13Bagginswwi made a few more changes kirkburn, your welcome to modify it or implement whatever your idea was instead if you think it will work better.
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19:52.10KirkburnMuch fun :P
19:54.03Teomyrhehe
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19:55.02JiyambiBoo
19:58.10Fisker-oh hi Kirkburn
20:00.07Bibioh I see, Fisker- will talk to ops but not to me
20:00.10Bibibitch.
20:00.18Bagginswwso kirkburn can I give garm and sandwichman a warning for the edit war they commited earlier... At least to be unbiased :p
20:00.36Bibi[21:07:26] <Fisker-> we need a filter on WoR, Wolrdofraids etc.
20:00.46BibiGot a funny story about WoR today. :D
20:00.51Bagginswwalthough to be honest I feel sandwich and others who edited were fair
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20:01.14BibiIt seems that the same IP was used to register 3 accounts to advertise worldofraids/try to create a drama with curse/say that my site sucks.
20:01.23Fisker-:O
20:01.24Fisker-nice
20:01.24BibiOf course, we don't know whose ip it is.
20:01.57Fisker-was it from france? :P
20:02.00Bagginswwas garm was ignorning olicy we mentioned in the race ideas intro.
20:02.04Bagginsww:the policy
20:02.14BibiFisker- : yes !
20:02.31Fisker-What a surprise!
20:02.39Fisker-I think it was you!
20:02.44Fisker-111
20:02.47Fisker-!11
20:02.56Bibinot my provider
20:02.58Fisker-You did it for the insurance money
20:03.02BibiI know a webmaster with this provider though.
20:03.41Fisker-Admit it!
20:03.46Fisker-You did it for the insurance
20:05.07Fisker-gonna sleep now though
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20:13.36Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas/Intro
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20:37.56Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Garm
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20:45.11KirkburnBagginsww, pour toi - http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Essay
20:45.17Bagginswwnice
20:45.18Bagginswwthanks
20:45.41KirkburnAdded to both rumoured races things
20:45.50Bagginswwthanks
20:46.24Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Garm
20:46.33BagginswwI warned sandwhich too, just to be fair
20:47.52Bagginswwalthough Garm has two points to be warned against :p
20:50.24pcjAdded a more technical way to disable the tooltips which seems to at least work
20:52.42Bagginswwkirkburn we should leave the WW: and WoWWiki: headings for only official stuff?
20:52.53Bagginswwpolicy
20:52.57BagginswwI mean policy
20:53.00Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Don%27t_bite_the_noobs
20:53.03KirkburnDepends
20:53.13Bagginswwahh
20:53.22KirkburnDon't bite the noobs is referred to by policy
20:53.32KirkburnWhereas the rumoured races concerns a specific article
20:53.32Bagginswwahh
20:53.36Kirkburn:)
20:53.40KirkburnNice and unclear :P
20:53.40Bagginswwok that makes sense
20:53.50Bagginswwwe may have to explain that somwhere :p
20:54.23KirkburnIf it was made more "official" then I would suggest it for the WW namespace
20:55.25Bagginswwheh
20:58.04[NewsBot]Dark Legacy: #110:Escort - http://www.darklegacycomics.com/110.html
20:59.41Fisker-any noobs here?
20:59.43Fisker-I wanna bite them
21:04.19foxlitthat page breaks scrolling
21:04.52KeolahOoh, ooh, bite me! Bite me!
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21:08.59KeolahLFG for BBQ from KFC? :)
21:10.12pcjtank lfg bbq
21:11.01AdysBibi: did you call me?
21:11.36Bagginswwwhat's the crossout command?
21:12.19piu<strike>
21:12.21piuI think
21:13.33Bagginswwthanks
21:17.37[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Kael'thas bugged, hotfix not incoming - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/09/30/kaelthas-bugged-hotfix-not-incoming/
21:19.51KirkburnUpdated intro on  http://www.wowwiki.com/Future_race_ideas
21:21.01Bagginsww<PROTECTED>
21:21.08PolarinaDoes any item that can fit into the keyring have a durability count?
21:21.30Kirkburnnope
21:22.26PolarinaThanks.
21:25.39Fisker-i cannot sleep Bibi
21:25.41Fisker-your fault
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22:01.47Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Future_race_ideas#Vykrul
22:01.49Bagginsww:p
22:04.25Bagginsww<PROTECTED>
22:04.41Bagginswwthe link on that manual site seems to be down
22:04.55bleeterBagginsww: what do you reckon the chances of getting a http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_QQ and http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_STFU are?
22:04.58Bagginswwalso is tehre a pdf for TBC manual?
22:05.13BagginswwLOL, not very likely?
22:05.19bleeter:(
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22:16.11bleeterBagginsww: ok, well how about   http://www.wowwiki.com/HOWTO:_Not_be_an_annoying_noob
22:16.21BagginswwLOL
22:16.32Bagginswwas an addition to How not to bite the noob
22:17.22bleetermore the flip side of that article
22:18.21bleeterif there even is such a beast.. I can't find it.. meh
22:18.24bleetercoffee!!!
22:28.27Bagginswwso ya did you know reincarnation exists in warcraft/
22:28.29Bagginsww?
22:28.40Bagginswwand iit can turn someone into some other race LOL
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22:39.19Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Reincarnate
22:39.21Bagginswwlol
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23:13.45KirkburnSky2042_afk, others - Community Portal revamp in progress - http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev3 ... edit as you wish!
23:16.49piushould we start up a wowwiki projects proposal somewhere?
23:16.59piulike say at WoWWiki:Projects
23:19.57Kirkburncan do
23:20.15piuprojects might be the best way to get new visitors involved editing
23:20.36piuthey can jump right to a project where they have interest or expertise
23:20.58piurather than nebulous "fix stubs" or other stuff up there
23:22.54Kirkburnindeed
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23:27.30piuany theory crafters around?
23:27.45piuread [[Resilience]] and tell me if I'm off my rocker
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23:36.02bleeterpiu: do I have to read that before saying you're off you're rocker? :(
23:36.14piuwell
23:36.37piuI could be off my rocker anyways, but does the article make it more or less evident
23:37.20foxlitWasn't the way crit damage increasing mechanics and resilience interact changed in 2.2?
23:37.27pcjYes
23:37.46foxliti.e. you no longer lose double the crit damage due to pre-coefficient application?
23:38.07foxlit"Corrected the damage modifier calculation for Resilience when the attacker has bonus critical strike damage."
23:38.26piuhmmm
23:38.36piunot sure how to interpret that
23:39.27piumy equation is based on my own interpretation of the effect, does that patch change it?
23:41.06foxlitMaybe
23:41.12foxlitMaybe not
23:41.40foxlitCheck if the values you predict match what you get on live realms?
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23:41.52piuaccount expired (!!)
23:42.12piulooking now for anyone else who has tested and posted
23:51.10Bagginswwkirkburn we should have a fancy intro for the future race ideas talk page
23:51.44Bagginswwbasically same kind of thing but, "how to submit an idea" information in the talk page
23:52.00Bagginswwand the warning not to edit the main page
23:54.02*** part/#wowwiki mulesh (n=mulesh@75.137.155.78)
23:54.07KirkburnSomething very similar to the front page intro might work

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