| 00:11.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey clad |
| 00:11.47 | cladhaire | heyas |
| 00:11.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Don't think any of them are on atm |
| 00:11.52 | cladhaire | bah |
| 00:11.59 | cladhaire | i really want to get in touch with one of them |
| 00:12.03 | cladhaire | make sure i'm not causing any problems. |
| 00:12.13 | cladhaire | cause i've run into a few issues, and I'm trying to work them out. |
| 00:12.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, see the end of http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:SIG ... Sheer awesomeness abounds! |
| 00:12.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Gimme a sec, I'll see what I can find |
| 00:13.16 | cladhaire | lol nice =) |
| 00:13.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, now seeing recognisable names on the Wowhead article's history |
| 00:13.28 | Kirkburn|afk | *not |
| 00:13.51 | Kirkburn|afk | I know they appear on here from time to time, but I can't recall who atm :( |
| 00:14.05 | cladhaire | its only 60 megs or so.. but I pull it in a matter of 15 minutes or so |
| 00:14.06 | Shirik | Kirkburn|afk do you have a moment? |
| 00:14.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 00:14.35 | Shirik | you know Lua right? |
| 00:14.37 | Kirkburn|afk | cladhaire, whatcha talking about? |
| 00:14.42 | Shirik | basics |
| 00:14.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Hah. No, not really. |
| 00:14.48 | Shirik | bleh |
| 00:14.55 | Kirkburn|afk | cladhaire does :) |
| 00:15.02 | Shirik | Yeah but cladhaire's busy |
| 00:15.10 | Kirkburn|afk | There's #wowi-lounge |
| 00:15.16 | Kirkburn|afk | And #wowace |
| 00:15.16 | Shirik | Yeah but it's really a wowwiki topic |
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| 00:15.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh how so? |
| 00:15.23 | Shirik | it's regarding one of the pages |
| 00:15.30 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:API_and_scripting_quirks |
| 00:15.34 | Shirik | the portion I wrote about "Variables" |
| 00:15.41 | Shirik | or rather, my contention with that section being there |
| 00:16.10 | Shirik | I really just wanted to know if what I was saying was justified |
| 00:16.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Mention to the people on #wowi-lounge - they often use WoWWiki and should be able to give feedback |
| 00:16.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Unless you already did, in which case they're useless :P |
| 00:16.55 | cladhaire | That section is really poorly written |
| 00:17.05 | cladhaire | Shirik: Don't delete it, just rewrite it, and explain scope. |
| 00:17.25 | Shirik | But see it's in a section called "quirks" |
| 00:17.31 | Shirik | and I fail to see why scope would be considered a "quirk" |
| 00:17.36 | Shirik | really, it's a feature |
| 00:17.59 | cladhaire | so explain it, saying "This isn't a quirk of the language, but the scoping rules of Lua may be different than what you're used to" |
| 00:18.07 | cladhaire | anything that's different from what people expect, is a quirk |
| 00:18.14 | Shirik | hm ok |
| 00:18.16 | cladhaire | but clarification is necessary |
| 00:18.24 | cladhaire | You can even make a new Lua_Scoping page,and link to it. |
| 00:18.31 | Shirik | well what he _had_ written was just completely wrong; I touched it up a little |
| 00:18.45 | Shirik | the code block a little further down is what he had |
| 00:18.51 | Shirik | which has comments on the code that just aren't true |
| 00:18.51 | cladhaire | get rid of everythign there |
| 00:18.57 | cladhaire | and re-write it from a new perspective. |
| 00:19.02 | cladhaire | whoever wrote that, was wrong, plain and simple =) |
| 00:19.24 | Shirik | I think I'll take your idea of making a scope page and link to it |
| 00:19.31 | Shirik | thanks |
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| 00:42.55 | Kirkburn|afk | I've turned WW:SIG into a guideline |
| 00:59.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Skosiris, you're with Wowhead are you not? I've forgetful |
| 00:59.43 | Kirkburn|afk | *I'm |
| 01:00.38 | cladhaire | I thought it started with an S, heh |
| 01:00.41 | Kirkburn|afk | (Took me half an hour to look at the name, erk) |
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| 02:06.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Another Hero Classes rumour - http://www.odinneke.nl/2007/03/28/an-interesting-read/ |
| 02:06.55 | cladhaire | Skosiris: ping ;-) |
| 02:09.56 | Karrius | "bringer of pain" ? |
| 02:10.14 | Karrius | Also, I doubt that they'd give warlocks the name that's also shared by ad emon |
| 02:10.25 | Karrius | "Shady Thief"... heh |
| 02:11.33 | Karrius | Fake. Not even a particularly well-written fake. |
| 02:12.29 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 02:12.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Awesome CAD comic today - http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20070328 (the cast - http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/news/cnc3cast.jpg) |
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| 02:33.29 | pomke | is this the channel for addon questions or is that the lounge? |
| 02:33.30 | pomke | nm *reads topic* |
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| 02:48.46 | LadySerena | omg |
| 02:48.57 | LadySerena | my mom just hit 140k total HKs |
| 02:50.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, grats at her! |
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| 05:42.51 | Kirkburn | Request! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Navigation_Bar |
| 05:45.18 | LadySerena | holy crap .... Ruins of Jubuwal ..... wiped them all out in 5 minutes |
| 05:46.07 | Hobinheim | well we won't know unless we see the innards of the wiki... |
| 05:46.10 | Hobinheim | but we can't so we won't |
| 05:46.37 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, no my point is - I can't get it to occur and it seems no-one can |
| 05:46.44 | Hobinheim | oh |
| 05:46.50 | Kirkburn | And afaik there's absolutely no reason for it to happen |
| 05:47.06 | Kirkburn | The Sidebar has been changed many times before without trouble :/ |
| 05:50.15 | Kirkburn | Yay |
| 05:50.54 | LadySerena | little 42 belf lick-lock .... can wipe out Ruins of Jubuwal in 5-10 minutes :D |
| 05:51.18 | Shirik | Stupid question because I sux at wiki syntax |
| 05:51.22 | Shirik | how do I make a numbered list >< |
| 05:51.41 | Shirik | or should I just do :1. :2. etc |
| 05:55.04 | Kirkburn | # |
| 05:55.09 | Kirkburn | # |
| 05:55.15 | Kirkburn | etc, etc |
| 05:55.35 | Shirik | ah |
| 05:55.37 | Shirik | thank you <3 |
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| 08:39.49 | Kirkburn | Zomg, patch notezors on teh wiki! |
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| 08:48.15 | Kirkburn | zomg, topic spam |
| 08:48.23 | Shirik | owowow |
| 08:48.27 | Shirik | Kirkburn ftl |
| 08:48.55 | Kirkburn | For that shocking insult you must make a cool sig to make up for it |
| 08:49.08 | Shirik | ha! |
| 08:49.15 | Shirik | I'm not creative enough to do that |
| 08:49.28 | Shirik | I made you a nice article that you don't understand though :D |
| 08:51.12 | Kirkburn | uhh |
| 08:51.44 | Shirik | =P |
| 08:51.45 | Kirkburn | Lua Scope, aha |
| 08:51.58 | Shirik | the article we talked about earlier |
| 08:52.01 | Shirik | that clad|sleep recommended |
| 08:52.37 | Kirkburn | I saw |
| 08:52.48 | Shirik | My first real article :D I'm excited |
| 08:52.55 | Shirik | (new article) |
| 08:53.05 | Kirkburn | woot |
| 08:53.13 | Kirkburn | I wonder when I made my first /new/ article |
| 08:53.23 | Shirik | how far back does your contribs go? |
| 08:53.46 | Kirkburn | 29 May 2006 iirc |
| 08:53.55 | Kirkburn | 26th possibly |
| 08:55.20 | Shirik | I meant |
| 08:55.26 | Shirik | so like there's no limit on how far you can look back |
| 08:55.27 | Kirkburn | Banana! |
| 08:55.31 | Kirkburn | nope, no limit |
| 08:55.34 | Shirik | it's not like purged after 3 months or something |
| 08:55.43 | Kirkburn | Except possibly the sky |
| 08:58.07 | Kirkburn | I think my deletion/upload/etc logs are probably about as long as my list of edits. I'm over 10,000 edits. |
| 08:58.17 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:58.45 | Kirkburn | My last 500 logs entries only goes back to March 7th |
| 08:58.53 | Shirik | I have 43 edits |
| 08:59.01 | Shirik | and most are on talk pages >< |
| 08:59.05 | Kirkburn | Darn, my contribs go back to March 24th :P |
| 08:59.23 | Kirkburn | I must have been slacking with my deletions recently |
| 08:59.30 | Shirik | haha |
| 08:59.32 | Shirik | go! |
| 08:59.36 | Shirik | deletion spree! |
| 09:18.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:18.25 | Shirik | you did go on a deletion spree |
| 09:30.37 | Shirik | kirkburn you wanna help me for a sec? |
| 09:30.59 | Shirik | :( he died |
| 09:34.04 | Kirkburn | yo |
| 09:34.18 | Shirik | am I going crazy |
| 09:34.22 | Shirik | or can you not edit this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Magnusguild |
| 09:34.43 | Shirik | I want to vote, but I hit edit and the edit box starts in the middle of the page :/ |
| 09:34.44 | Kirkburn | I can |
| 09:34.54 | Shirik | like in the middle of the vote |
| 09:35.03 | Kirkburn | What browser? |
| 09:35.07 | Shirik | firefox |
| 09:35.25 | Shirik | it starts with this: {{delete/talk|This page is empty, and not likely to be a source of redirects.}} |
| 09:35.28 | Kirkburn | Huh |
| 09:35.29 | Shirik | is that where it's supposed to start? |
| 09:36.12 | Kirkburn | sec |
| 09:37.11 | Kirkburn | Silly wikipedia-type people |
| 09:37.18 | Kirkburn | Should have just been flagged speedydelete |
| 09:37.26 | Kirkburn | And people should also try and READ the deletion guidelines |
| 09:37.27 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:37.33 | Shirik | well there you go :P |
| 09:37.34 | Shirik | I helped |
| 09:37.52 | Shirik | Gogo deletion spree! |
| 09:49.50 | Shirik | haha |
| 09:50.18 | bleeter | if I could ever be bothered, I could be such a pain in the arse .. ;) |
| 09:54.00 | Kirkburn | Unused images is down to 77! |
| 09:54.10 | Kirkburn | About two weeks ago it was on about 1500 |
| 09:54.32 | Shirik | out of curiosity |
| 09:54.35 | Shirik | if you have a list of them |
| 09:54.39 | Shirik | why don't you just write a bot to do it? |
| 09:54.58 | Kirkburn | To do what? |
| 09:55.04 | Shirik | delete them? |
| 09:55.12 | Kirkburn | They're not for deletion |
| 09:55.18 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 09:55.22 | Shirik | oh? what are you doing with them? |
| 09:55.27 | Shirik | finding places to put them? |
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| 09:55.33 | Kirkburn | Yeah, pretty much |
| 09:55.35 | Kirkburn | Hey Adys |
| 09:55.37 | Shirik | cool |
| 09:55.37 | Adys | Nice work on ww sig :) |
| 09:55.38 | Shirik | hi |
| 09:55.43 | Adys | and hey |
| 09:55.53 | Kirkburn | Why thankyou |
| 09:55.57 | bleeter | heya sady |
| 09:59.53 | Kirkburn | sancus, vlad_, either of you got a moment? |
| 10:08.58 | Adys | By the way |
| 10:09.18 | Adys | I think we should delete all item articles that only contain a stub and/or a category, without any info |
| 10:09.29 | Adys | since KasoBot would automatically take care of it |
| 10:13.04 | Kirkburn | yes |
| 10:13.09 | Kirkburn | So do I |
| 10:13.40 | Kirkburn | That would require me to make Kasobot as admin of course |
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| 10:18.27 | Adys | I dont see the need? |
| 10:19.20 | Kirkburn | How would it delete them? |
| 10:21.03 | Shirik | what happened to http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:RC? |
| 10:21.27 | Adys | Kirk: We can take care of this :P |
| 10:21.35 | Adys | Shirik: sounds like an image has been uploaded |
| 10:22.02 | Shirik | that breaks it or something? :/ |
| 10:22.12 | Adys | "big" images do that |
| 10:22.16 | Shirik | ah |
| 10:23.58 | Adys | or maybe mikkbot having probs |
| 10:24.51 | Adys | No clue wth is going on |
| 10:25.05 | Adys | it seems to have broke as of a certain upload |
| 10:25.19 | Shirik | Just do what I do when my web server goes down |
| 10:25.38 | Shirik | Sit back, drink a coke, and when it comes back, broadcast to everyone "Hey guys I fixed it" |
| 10:25.43 | Shirik | and then everyone praises you |
| 10:26.03 | Adys | :P |
| 10:26.27 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=WoWWiki:RC/Content&oldid=566150 |
| 10:26.34 | Adys | this is the |
| 10:26.36 | Adys | what the heck |
| 10:29.57 | Shirik | don't know what to say man, sorry |
| 10:30.04 | Shirik | I made your life miserable now didn't I :( |
| 10:30.52 | Adys | LOL |
| 10:31.02 | Adys | I think I found out what was fucked up |
| 10:31.03 | Adys | WARNING: This page is 675 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections. |
| 10:31.07 | Shirik | .. wow |
| 10:32.16 | Kirkburn | woah? |
| 10:32.35 | Adys | Kirk: http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Mikk#Mikkbot_malfunctionning |
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| 10:34.11 | Kirkburn | Adys, that icon page seemed to miss a few |
| 10:34.20 | Adys | how you mean? |
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| 10:34.32 | Kirkburn | There are still some icons on Unusedimages |
| 10:34.37 | Adys | Ill check that |
| 10:34.39 | Adys | gimmeh a sec |
| 10:34.43 | Adys | btw |
| 10:34.52 | Adys | template:talk and template:app already support {{{1}}} |
| 10:34.57 | Adys | so template:app is useless |
| 10:35.45 | Kirkburn | zomg |
| 10:39.34 | Adys | ah |
| 10:39.38 | Adys | the shortblades |
| 10:39.43 | Adys | yes, they are incorrectly named |
| 10:39.48 | Adys | Ill take care of this |
| 10:40.26 | Kirkburn | I guess I'll start adding the icon-s to my Unusedimg page |
| 10:40.59 | Adys | dont |
| 10:41.03 | Adys | ill delete them once i renamed them |
| 10:41.09 | Adys | as for the two statues |
| 10:41.12 | Kirkburn | Renamed them? |
| 10:41.14 | Adys | they are incorrectly named too |
| 10:41.24 | Kirkburn | I'm talking abotu Zeal's things |
| 10:41.26 | Adys | Yes, instead of ShortBlade it should be Shortblade |
| 10:41.28 | Adys | aaahh |
| 10:45.01 | Adys | Oh kirk |
| 10:45.15 | Adys | check out http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Dev |
| 10:45.20 | Adys | the external links thing |
| 10:45.31 | Adys | was just an idea |
| 10:45.43 | Adys | (we could bot that up <cringes>) |
| 10:48.27 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Policytocnotoc |
| 10:48.29 | Adys | pretty icon |
| 10:51.45 | Kirkburn | The elinks thing is nice |
| 10:56.47 | Adys | btw kirk |
| 10:56.52 | Adys | for anatomy of a city:silvermoon |
| 10:56.56 | Adys | check how i did it for http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Anatomy_of_a_City:_Silvermoon&oldid=288902 |
| 10:57.29 | Adys | the problem is |
| 10:57.41 | Adys | it didn't look like exactly how it should :P |
| 10:58.52 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 10:59.06 | Kirkburn | 11 on the Unusedfile list |
| 11:02.40 | Adys | vlad_ or sancus |
| 11:02.44 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Printable_page_versions |
| 11:02.49 | Adys | how possible would that be? |
| 11:03.32 | Shirik | I would |
| 11:03.41 | Shirik | recommend making a robots.txt that doesn't index the printable versions tbh |
| 11:03.59 | Shirik | doesn't make sense to be indexing both |
| 11:04.02 | Shirik | but just a thought |
| 11:04.13 | Adys | i agree :P |
| 11:06.36 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, need your comments on the Eleven (language) page |
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| 11:08.15 | Adys | There you go kirk http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Unusedimages |
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| 11:14.19 | Kirkburn | Jesu christe - http://forums.scrollsoflore.com/showthread.php?t=1273 |
| 11:15.16 | Shirik|zZz | lol |
| 11:15.19 | Shirik|zZz | let them talk |
| 11:15.34 | Shirik|zZz | It's somewhat the same stance I take on my forums - we get a lot of bots spamming our forums |
| 11:15.48 | Shirik|zZz | I look at the glass half full. The fact that they're coming to our site indicates we're popular and ranked high on search engines. |
| 11:15.51 | Shirik|zZz | Same applies here ;) |
| 11:15.52 | Shirik|zZz | night |
| 11:17.17 | bleeter | 'You should have named this thread "Why Baggins is an idiot".' < hehe |
| 11:17.31 | bleeter | purl, comfort Baggins |
| 11:17.34 | bleeter | gah |
| 11:17.44 | Adys | lol |
| 11:17.49 | Adys | infobot, give Baggins a cookie |
| 11:18.00 | infobot | ACTION gives Baggins a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up. |
| 11:18.00 | Adys | ~give bleeter a slap, too |
| 11:18.02 | infobot | ACTION gives a slap, too to bleeter |
| 11:21.12 | bleeter | ~give sady three slaps |
| 11:21.14 | infobot | ACTION gives three slaps to sady |
| 11:30.52 | Adys | FINALLY |
| 11:30.55 | Adys | Icons are all done |
| 11:30.58 | Adys | all are 64x64 |
| 11:31.01 | Adys | all are uploaded |
| 11:31.06 | Adys | there is not a single duplicate up |
| 11:42.23 | Adys | Post scriptum |
| 11:42.28 | Adys | I HATE YOU BLIZZARD |
| 11:42.28 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Gizmo_ManaPotionPack.png |
| 12:05.44 | bleeter | Kirkburn: I just finished reading that scrollsoflore thread you posted |
| 12:05.45 | bleeter | ayeeee |
| 12:05.54 | Adys | lol |
| 12:05.59 | Adys | its going on since ages |
| 12:06.40 | Kirkburn | bleeter, so who came out on top? |
| 12:06.54 | bleeter | sssh.. I enjoy seeing one bunch of arrogant asshats call another bunch of arrogant asshats... arrogant asshats ;) |
| 12:07.16 | bleeter | who's on top? i dunno, don't care fore lore |
| 12:07.21 | bleeter | I care for freenode.net :) |
| 12:07.31 | Kirkburn | Who won the argument then? :P |
| 12:07.32 | bleeter | you guys are here, so yer winners in my books :) |
| 12:07.48 | bleeter | oO there's was an argument in the drivel? |
| 12:07.54 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 12:07.58 | bleeter | you're just trying to make me read it again! aaargh! |
| 12:08.19 | Kirkburn | There was me continually telling them that we're neutral, and that they should use edit summaries |
| 12:08.39 | Kirkburn | Then there was them saying they're always right and ignoring everything else |
| 12:08.48 | bleeter | is there any way you can force the comment field to be filled in if, say, there's more than XX chars being deleted? |
| 12:08.54 | Kirkburn | Not afaik :( |
| 12:09.05 | bleeter | I mean, prolly is, would require client JS and foo tho |
| 12:10.18 | bleeter | 'coz I see *that* being where the real problem is, sure the history of a page can be looked at when there's controversy over a topic. but 'coz bugger all people fill the comment in, it's too much effort for individuals to workj out |
| 12:10.32 | bleeter | so it falls back o the poor bastards who've been sucked in to admin :P |
| 12:11.11 | bleeter | when it comes to lore, tho |
| 12:11.13 | bleeter | my take is |
| 12:11.35 | bleeter | metzen's prolly been tied up for past two years in sudden business reality of really popular game, etc., XPAC, etc. etc. |
| 12:11.58 | bleeter | and hasn't been taking whatever substances were aiding his previous lore creation to hold together, etc. etc., thusly it's fallen into a complete mess |
| 12:12.04 | bleeter | and even HE don't know anymore ;) |
| 12:12.48 | bleeter | and, tbh, the lore fans would be such a tiny market to Blizz now, they prolly don't care |
| 12:13.09 | bleeter | my 3c (inflation, ya see) |
| 12:13.15 | Kirkburn | What is it with everyone saying Blizz doesn't care about the lore? |
| 12:14.06 | Kirkburn | Blizz didn't spend all their time on the WC3 patches expanding the lore of it, or creating new lore, they were patching a game. |
| 12:14.16 | Kirkburn | So why should they suddenly be different now? |
| 12:14.44 | Kirkburn | WC1 was a game, so was WC2, and so was WC3 surprisingly enough |
| 12:15.08 | Kirkburn | If you really think it's all a mess, that's just silly |
| 12:15.28 | Kirkburn | There are loose ends of course, and some contradictory stuff - just like the real world |
| 12:15.46 | Kirkburn | The sheer size of the Warcraft Universe makes it impossible to make it all neat and tidy |
| 12:16.26 | Kirkburn | Should Metzen know every single niggly bit of Warcraft? And Starcraft? And Diablo? No, because he's /human/. |
| 12:17.16 | bleeter | Oh, I totally agree. What I'm saying is that new people coming to the game do see it as a mess, and that kinda hurts them a little. Lemme explain. |
| 12:17.24 | Kirkburn | This isn't getting only at you bleeter, I've seen others make sillier comments along the same lines |
| 12:18.30 | bleeter | Take the WC1,2,3 + Books player base size. Pull a figure outta the air - lets say, 2 mill. Current base is 8 mill. Those 2 mill would've largely grown with the lore, but these other 6 mill have it presented as first time. ... |
| 12:18.55 | Kirkburn | True |
| 12:19.00 | Kirkburn | It's a lot to take in at once |
| 12:19.09 | bleeter | It's also advertised, by word of mouth or Blizz themselves, as a Universe. People expect consistency. That there are glaring holes in the lore makes a mockery of the 'Universe' idea |
| 12:19.45 | bleeter | Now, to those who say Blizz don't care about the law, I'd say that they're working on an Encylopedia of their own, would tend to dispute this claim |
| 12:19.51 | bleeter | s/law/lore/ |
| 12:20.14 | Kirkburn | Blizz are "laying down the lore" as you might say ;) |
| 12:20.19 | bleeter | however, a hundred or so of those original 2m lore fans running around making ambit claims one way or another.. |
| 12:20.28 | bleeter | .. yes, while Blizz try to lay down the lore |
| 12:20.59 | bleeter | whilst Blizz go over all their old stuff, plus what's on the wiki, at scrolls, etc., see what outsiders have picked up |
| 12:21.13 | bleeter | is just going to take them... a *bloody* long time. You're right, metzen is only human. |
| 12:21.43 | bleeter | it's such a huuuge job, that correcting *every* piece of lore would be a near pointless task |
| 12:22.03 | bleeter | *therefore* the only sane thing to do would be to only care about the lore that makes sense to those new 6 mill people |
| 12:22.19 | Kirkburn | aye |
| 12:22.27 | bleeter | and hopefully tie up a few loose ends for the other 2 mil |
| 12:22.53 | bleeter | and, you'll prolly find, it's only a tiny subset of those 2 mil players who really scream 'blizz don't care' from the rooftops |
| 12:23.31 | bleeter | the other thing to consider, is the movie. |
| 12:24.01 | bleeter | whatever the plot is, it's going to have to be lore that most players, not a small fraction of lore fanaticals, will agree to |
| 12:24.48 | bleeter | not to say that they should totally ignore that small fraction, but in the overall biz side of things, if they were to adjust something *for the movie* to appease those lore fanaticals... and it's not in a game, or a book, etc. etc. |
| 12:26.00 | bleeter | it'd be endless pain and suffering on the forums. Blizz would prolly just be happier to lose them as customers... from a business point of view (ie, if people quit the game over an illogical universe, there's no bad publicity about it ;-) |
| 12:26.22 | bleeter | I might stop ranting now .. 'coz seriously.. couldn't care less :D |
| 12:26.52 | bleeter | it'd be nice to have consistent lore, but I can appreciate that it'd be a thankless task on the vendor's part... so.. meh |
| 12:28.19 | bleeter | Kirkburn: sorry to flood you there mate, I just wanted to make sure you understood that my claim of 'they don't care about lore' was more from a business point of view, rather than some rabid book reader / rpg player ;) |
| 12:28.30 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 12:29.32 | bleeter | I can remember the games I was involved in writing.. 'no, those bits should be further to the left, the green's the wrong shade, can we change this layout, we need one more transaction per second' |
| 12:29.45 | bleeter | none of the devs really gave two shits about the 'plot' ;) |
| 12:30.28 | bleeter | well, we did at the start. got too exhausted thinking about it tho |
| 12:30.40 | bleeter | and things always got delayed more |
| 12:30.50 | bleeter | <fin/> |
| 12:33.21 | Kirkburn | Hmm, so I just noticed SoL is barely in the top 1,000,000 on Alexa |
| 12:33.41 | Kirkburn | WoWWiki is 2,224 atm |
| 12:33.55 | Kirkburn | Pageranks comparison - 2/10 to 5/10 :P |
| 12:33.58 | bleeter | SoL? dunno about enGB, but enAU that's "shit outta luck" |
| 12:34.05 | bleeter | oh, scrollkeepers |
| 12:34.05 | Kirkburn | Scrolls of Lore |
| 12:34.09 | bleeter | scrolls |
| 12:34.10 | Kirkburn | nublet |
| 12:34.16 | bleeter | no shit! :D |
| 12:34.25 | Kirkburn | Sherlock? |
| 12:34.34 | bleeter | aye |
| 12:37.00 | bleeter | on the subject of W1NN4R$ ... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Protect-Your-Webpages-Disable-Right-Clicking_W0QQitemZ130094550598QQcategoryZ20924QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 12:38.04 | Kirkburn | Hmm, SoL is deader than I realised |
| 12:38.23 | Kirkburn | Aieechiwawa |
| 12:39.45 | Kirkburn | Zomg, that took long to find - http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex9/noright.htm |
| 12:40.08 | Kirkburn | If only you could leave comments on the page |
| 12:40.18 | Kirkburn | That way you could just link to the thing you're paying for |
| 12:41.26 | Kirkburn | Ah, and the other - http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex9/noselect.htm |
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| 12:43.31 | Adys2010 | ffs |
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| 12:49.08 | Kirkburn | Adys, boo! |
| 12:49.13 | Adys | mmm |
| 12:49.56 | Kirkburn | I love how in arguments people keep stating the same thing even when you prove it wrong as if it somehow back up their point |
| 12:50.00 | Kirkburn | *backs |
| 12:50.32 | Kirkburn | Example - http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=549649 |
| 12:51.13 | Kirkburn | (this is apart from the fact the poster appears to be a petulant child) |
| 12:54.09 | bleeter | meh, transparency's a cop out for people who can't keep their windows tidy |
| 12:54.22 | bleeter | organise work flow, etc. etc. |
| 12:54.25 | bleeter | nn folks |
| 12:55.39 | Kirkburn | That can't be right ... Neowin.net has an Alexa rank of 4,602 |
| 12:56.12 | Kirkburn | Probably explained by the higher techiness of the visitors (who know Alexa's toolbar to be ... uh ... crap) |
| 13:09.26 | Adys | LOL |
| 13:09.28 | Adys | omfg |
| 13:09.38 | Adys | WoWWiki:RC/Content |
| 13:09.38 | Adys | From WoWWiki |
| 13:09.38 | Adys | Revision history |
| 13:09.38 | Adys | View logs for this page |
| 13:09.38 | Adys | View or restore 5022 deleted edits? |
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| 14:00.08 | Adys | lo kaso |
| 14:01.54 | Kaso | Morning |
| 14:41.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | gutten tag |
| 14:41.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | ... |
| 14:41.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im sure a german somewhere is cursing me for killing their language |
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| 14:52.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | o// |
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| 15:05.45 | Adys | Kaso, you there? |
| 15:06.43 | Kaso | sorta yes |
| 15:09.05 | Adys | hm |
| 15:09.12 | Adys | was talking to kirkburn about it earlier on |
| 15:09.23 | Adys | how possible would it be for kasobot to ignore stubs |
| 15:09.38 | Kaso | as i dont make the item stubs? |
| 15:09.45 | Adys | meaning, to treat them as an "empty page" if there is only 1-2 lines |
| 15:10.02 | Adys | I meant, pages containing only {{Stub/Item}} or something, no tooltip at all |
| 15:10.05 | Kaso | Aah |
| 15:10.15 | Kaso | so to over-write anything that is currently a stub? |
| 15:10.27 | Adys | that is currently lacking a tooltip i would say |
| 15:10.44 | Kaso | doable |
| 15:11.04 | Kaso | i'll look into different ways of implenting that |
| 15:11.07 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Arcanoweave_Bracers stuff like that.. |
| 15:11.16 | Kaso | Once i get my network card working >.< |
| 15:11.35 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/An_Undelivered_Letter |
| 15:12.10 | Adys | Oh and btw |
| 15:12.34 | Adys | do the "This Item Begins A Quest"-items are automatically categorized as Quest Starting Items? |
| 15:12.39 | Adys | (shit grammar) |
| 15:12.54 | Kaso | no they arent i didnt think about that |
| 15:12.59 | Kaso | but its easily doable i think |
| 15:13.05 | Adys | kk :) |
| 15:13.07 | Kaso | actually it might already be doing that |
| 15:13.21 | Kaso | i forget the cat code i did, but i'll double check |
| 15:13.35 | Adys | Im gonna go over Category:Stubs/Item |
| 15:13.40 | Adys | Delete empty stubs a bit |
| 15:13.52 | Adys | and expand some here and there |
| 15:14.41 | Kaso | Thats a good idea |
| 15:14.57 | Kaso | Im going to stare at these scary linux drivers for a while till they magically start working |
| 15:15.25 | Adys | :P |
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| 15:31.49 | Adys | hm anyone else thinks tooltip should get a dis= arg? |
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| 16:10.41 | Kaso | Adys: disenchantment? |
| 16:10.47 | Adys | ya |
| 16:10.51 | Adys | dissing skill req |
| 16:11.21 | Kaso | i wouldnt really be for that, inst the skill required easlily calculatable from item level |
| 16:11.37 | Adys | possible args: number or "no" |
| 16:12.09 | Kaso | hmm |
| 16:12.30 | Kaso | Im not so sure. |
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| 16:21.39 | ClydeJr | I read that thread over on SoL. Ow... my head hurts now... |
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| 16:46.13 | Adys | lol clyde |
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| 16:46.28 | Adys | yea theres a pretty bunch of odd guys there |
| 16:46.40 | Tekkub | do we REALLY need to put "or blah blah turnins for humens cause they get a shitty bonus to rep" every time a reputation number is given? |
| 16:46.55 | Tekkub | how about a Zeal-style * with hover tip |
| 16:47.21 | Adys | No |
| 16:47.43 | Tekkub | no we don't, or no hovernote? |
| 16:48.49 | Tekkub | an underline note mabe? _240_ (hover: 220 for humans) |
| 16:49.08 | Adys | no to both tbh |
| 16:49.18 | Adys | people shouldnt be fucked enough to ask for someone else to calculate 10% of something |
| 16:49.26 | Tekkub | so just drop the human bonus numbers completely? |
| 16:49.33 | Adys | imo yes |
| 16:49.49 | Tekkub | yea that's kinda my opinion, human toons should know they get a bonus |
| 16:50.15 | Tekkub | was just thinking a hover tip could keep people from constantly editing it back in |
| 16:50.16 | Adys | when you're alliance, and you start being worried about rep |
| 16:50.23 | Adys | if you still didnt find out you get 10% bonus rep you suck |
| 16:50.42 | Tekkub | I'll toss up a vote somewhere I guess, give an example |
| 16:50.42 | Adys | and yeah tekk |
| 16:51.03 | Adys | Well i guess you can keep a star on stuff like |
| 16:51.07 | Adys | full instance clears |
| 16:51.08 | Adys | etc |
| 16:51.15 | Tekkub | cause I have a feeling people will still keep adding them if we don't have something to point to and say "this is our policy on huumons" |
| 16:51.17 | Adys | but not on mobs and quests rewards |
| 16:51.59 | Tekkub | no no, I'm talking about "It takes 240 marks (220 for huumons) to get from fuck you to OMGSEX rep" |
| 16:52.11 | Adys | Ah |
| 16:52.18 | Tekkub | fuck mobs and pidly little shit |
| 16:52.21 | Adys | well, yeah i guess |
| 16:52.24 | Tekkub | that's deleteable |
| 16:52.40 | Tekkub | hower tip then with a dotted underline to draw attention slightly? |
| 16:52.41 | Adys | a star can do, that's stuff actually harder to calculate :P |
| 16:52.47 | Adys | Yeah |
| 16:52.51 | Adys | something like that |
| 16:53.05 | Tekkub | I personally hated the stars, they were hard to notice and people don't think to hover |
| 16:53.10 | Tekkub | they look for a footnote |
| 16:53.15 | ClydeJr | It would be a lot damn simpler if we could just kill them all off... |
| 16:53.36 | Adys | uh? |
| 16:53.58 | Tekkub | like this ad... |
| 16:53.59 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#WoWWiki_Facebook_Group |
| 16:54.04 | ClydeJr | humans! Kill em all! For the horde and all that! :) |
| 16:54.06 | Tekkub | Rage's |
| 16:54.23 | Adys | aah |
| 17:00.02 | Tekkub | here we are |
| 17:00.03 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Scryers#Until_Honored |
| 17:03.55 | Adys | yeah sounds decent |
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| 17:05.13 | Kaso | Has anyone seen Highlord Kruul since the dark portal event |
| 17:05.25 | Adys | yeah |
| 17:05.26 | Adys | why? |
| 17:05.57 | Kaso | i just havent seen him since |
| 17:06.06 | Kaso | i have an alt camped in the scar but natta |
| 17:06.15 | Adys | hm |
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| 17:34.14 | LadySerena | wow |
| 17:34.16 | LadySerena | amazing |
| 17:35.04 | LadySerena | you know Bangalash in STV? the 43 elite? I just soloed it and beat it. then I ran, when its guardians dropped aggro, I was down to 1 health |
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| 17:45.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 17:45.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | nice LadySerena |
| 17:46.07 | LadySerena | still, not bad for a 42 lick-lock |
| 17:46.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | ^_^ |
| 17:52.10 | LadySerena | what other classes could solo Bangalash (43 elite with two guardians) at lvl 42? |
| 17:52.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... mages are too squishy for him |
| 17:52.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | I would say warlocks because of the pet |
| 17:53.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | and probably hunters ? |
| 17:53.37 | LadySerena | well, I am an affliction (lick) spec warlock (lock) |
| 17:53.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | well there you go ^_^ |
| 17:53.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | by the way, you dont have to aggro the other two tigers |
| 17:54.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | I've pulled Bangalash alone before |
| 17:54.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | of course I died, but I did pull him alone |
| 17:54.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | or was it the other way around |
| 17:54.26 | LadySerena | they aggroed on my void, when the void died, they all came after me |
| 17:54.41 | Tuqui-tuqui | pull one guard without pulling bangalash |
| 17:54.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | anyhoo, you CAN fight Bangalash alone |
| 17:54.56 | LadySerena | they didn't appear until I started on Bangalash |
| 17:55.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahhh |
| 17:55.29 | Tuqui-tuqui | ouch |
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| 19:29.58 | LadySerena | Khan Hratha <--- STUPID FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT QUEST |
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| 20:21.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | >.> |
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| 22:35.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Good morning all |
| 22:37.48 | bleeter | boo! |
| 22:40.30 | Shirik|zZz | morning |
| 22:57.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, the GTAIV trailer is out |
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| 23:54.49 | Adys | morning kirk |
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