| 00:00.55 | Hobinheim | how do you spell the blacksmithing profession |
| 00:00.57 | Hobinheim | like.. exactly |
| 00:01.09 | Zeal | Blacksmithing i beleive |
| 00:01.14 | Hobinheim | kk |
| 00:01.27 | Hobinheim | adis, are there any poisons quests |
| 00:01.32 | Hobinheim | like under the cat "Poisons"? |
| 00:01.49 | Adys | i hate you hobi |
| 00:01.57 | Adys | and i have no idea |
| 00:02.02 | Adys | my rogue is 38 =P |
| 00:02.10 | Hobinheim | ok i think this works |
| 00:02.11 | Adys | but i dont think so |
| 00:02.18 | Hobinheim | i invite everyone to check out the templates used in this page |
| 00:02.20 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Hobinheim/Character_rotation |
| 00:02.31 | Hobinheim | proper use of the switch statement, etc |
| 00:02.43 | Adys | wth |
| 00:02.52 | Zeal | huh? |
| 00:03.03 | Hobinheim | if you wanna know more about the templates i made |
| 00:03.08 | Hobinheim | that's all i'm sayin' |
| 00:03.09 | Hobinheim | sheesh |
| 00:03.37 | Adys | whats the day=x for? |
| 00:03.42 | Hobinheim | yeah still getting kicked to the "main" page... |
| 00:03.49 | Hobinheim | it just gives the box a number |
| 00:03.56 | Hobinheim | i meant look more at how the profession icons get generated |
| 00:03.56 | Adys | why?:p |
| 00:04.10 | Hobinheim | it uses proficon and switch |
| 00:04.14 | Hobinheim | for your own edification! |
| 00:04.15 | Zeal | switch statement? :S |
| 00:04.16 | Hobinheim | jesus |
| 00:04.25 | Hobinheim | one more HUH and someone's getting the boot |
| 00:04.30 | Zeal | you mean {{qif}} right? |
| 00:04.34 | vlad_ | Kirkburn|afk: er? |
| 00:04.45 | Zeal | i got it too vlad, but went away |
| 00:04.55 | vlad_ | um, hmm. |
| 00:04.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Major weirdness when I edit stuff and preview it |
| 00:05.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Intermittent |
| 00:05.11 | vlad_ | what does it say? |
| 00:06.00 | Adys | it says "Wowwiki has a problem" instead of the page title |
| 00:06.08 | Adys | makes up a weird double icon |
| 00:06.30 | vlad_ | anything else? no error? |
| 00:06.58 | Adys | its the main page instead of any page you were on before |
| 00:07.02 | Adys | ill try and take a screenshot |
| 00:07.26 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Lore_Zones |
| 00:07.34 | Bagginsww | now itener's |
| 00:07.43 | Bagginsww | discription needs a rewrite |
| 00:07.46 | Bagginsww | for neutral pov |
| 00:07.58 | Bagginsww | "not part of the wacraft universe"? |
| 00:08.08 | Zeal | ok.. i really don't see the point in {{switch}} when {{qif}} does the same job simpler, without the need for switch tables. and no, switch tables are not easier to handle, because they are still local to what you intend. |
| 00:08.28 | Bagginsww | not part of World of Warcraft MMO or Burning Crusade maybe |
| 00:08.31 | vlad_ | ugh, mediawiki is already at 1.9.0, damn them |
| 00:08.36 | Zeal | lol |
| 00:08.40 | Bagginsww | not not hte implication that they aren't part of warcraft universe... |
| 00:08.46 | Hobinheim | a... switch table is different from an if statement |
| 00:09.18 | Zeal | no, it's not |
| 00:09.19 | Hobinheim | if an input is supposed to refer to disparate sets of data, that's what a swtich table is for. it's a value key lookup |
| 00:09.30 | Hobinheim | zeal, prove it |
| 00:09.31 | Kirkburn|afk | How about this: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Main_Page_Dev |
| 00:09.43 | Zeal | it's exactly the same Hobinheim. each case= is the same as testcase= |
| 00:09.48 | Hobinheim | prove that a qif template can do what i did as easily |
| 00:10.01 | Adys | Lore zones are those regions which are known from the lore, Warcraft RPG books, and older Blizzard games such as Warcraft III, but which are not currently included in World of Warcraft. |
| 00:10.07 | Adys | better? |
| 00:10.19 | Zeal | and switch means you need to create a seperate template for no reason. |
| 00:10.20 | Bagginsww | ya that's better |
| 00:10.30 | Bagginsww | cheers to Adys |
| 00:10.56 | Hobinheim | it's like overloading the qif statement... |
| 00:10.58 | Zeal | Hobinheim, i've done what you've done plenty of time in my existing templates with qif, feel free to look. |
| 00:11.02 | Hobinheim | did you make it? |
| 00:11.07 | Zeal | it can;t be overloaded. |
| 00:11.11 | Hobinheim | oh tekkub did |
| 00:11.31 | Zeal | yes, qif was here long before i came |
| 00:11.32 | Tekkub | oro? |
| 00:11.36 | Bagginsww | well take care everyone I need to cook up some hamburgers for the family, and finish some homework |
| 00:11.46 | Bagginsww | which I seme to continue to put off LOL |
| 00:11.52 | Bagginsww | although I'm down to 10 pages left now |
| 00:12.40 | Zeal | kk, ttyl Bagginsww |
| 00:12.40 | Hobinheim | crazy tekkub... |
| 00:12.40 | Zeal | that works Kirkburn|afk, nice |
| 00:13.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Can you imagine it looked like this less than a year ago? http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=171052 |
| 00:13.16 | Kirkburn|afk | That's June last year :/ |
| 00:15.49 | Hobinheim | LOL UGLY |
| 00:16.03 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 00:16.05 | Hobinheim | thank elune Kirkburn saved us from bad design... |
| 00:16.15 | Zeal | i though it was silverside? :s |
| 00:16.29 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 00:16.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Nah, SS was never admin |
| 00:16.47 | Zeal | he di.. the community portal? |
| 00:16.53 | Kirkburn|afk | His front page design were awful, however, templates and subpages and 3 screen lengths |
| 00:16.55 | Zeal | i'm still working on mine.. heh |
| 00:17.45 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Main_Page atm :P |
| 00:18.34 | Zeal | general got a nerf :p |
| 00:21.13 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 00:23.35 | Zeal | you changed back Kirkburn|afk? :s |
| 00:24.24 | Zeal | wtf.. it says you never made the changes.. |
| 00:24.29 | Zeal | wiki borked? |
| 00:24.41 | Zeal | oh woop nvm |
| 00:24.47 | Zeal | _Dev >_> |
| 00:25.59 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 00:26.55 | Bagginsww | http://forum.white-wolf.com/viewtopic.php?p=924105#924105 |
| 00:26.57 | Bagginsww | kirkburn |
| 00:27.06 | Bagginsww | see luke johnson admits its his opinion |
| 00:27.08 | Bagginsww | not official |
| 00:30.23 | Hobinheim | so who's rolling blood elf with me tonight |
| 00:31.03 | Bagginsww | hates you LOL |
| 00:31.19 | Kirkburn|afk | argh |
| 00:31.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm going to the shop 2moro morning |
| 00:31.44 | Kirkburn|afk | (since HMV cancelled my order) |
| 00:32.22 | Zeal | Hobinheim, i shall hopefully be joining you in the morning, but not tonight :P |
| 00:32.49 | Hobinheim | i'm conflicted... |
| 00:32.54 | Hobinheim | life stuff... work... blood elves.... |
| 00:33.00 | Hobinheim | strategy guides that need writing!!!?!DSFGH A!@# |
| 00:33.01 | Adys | im off, mad at the french post =P hf guys |
| 00:33.12 | Hobinheim | GAIZ WHER EDO I GO TO KILL 10 MANA WORMS? |
| 00:33.41 | Hobinheim | i even ordered more ram today... |
| 00:33.45 | Hobinheim | purely on impulse |
| 00:34.41 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 00:35.25 | Hobinheim | it's like illidan was whispering to me... |
| 00:35.38 | Hobinheim | that if i got more ram, he would imbue me with demonic powers |
| 00:35.50 | Hobinheim | second to a pony and a quest namespace, i've always wanted fel fire... |
| 00:36.08 | Hobinheim | it could be a great party trick, like when i pick up those elven chicks with the pointy ears |
| 00:38.38 | Kirkburn|afk | weirdo |
| 00:46.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Gained 11,281 Darnassus rep so far |
| 00:47.14 | Zeal | felcano |
| 00:47.43 | Kirkburn|afk | You've lost me |
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| 00:48.43 | Zeal | Hobinheim said fel fire |
| 00:48.52 | Zeal | there is a spell icon called felcano :p |
| 00:49.21 | Zeal | a volcano of fel fire and fel magma and fel.. rock and ash.. yeah |
| 00:49.25 | Zeal | it's all fel :P |
| 00:50.58 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
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| 01:05.08 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, opinions --> http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Main_Page#About |
| 01:05.17 | Zeal | the about section only that is. |
| 01:05.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Interesting approach |
| 01:06.29 | Zeal | interesting in a good or bad way? lol :P |
| 01:06.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Personally I don't think we need the explanation of a wiki on there |
| 01:06.46 | Kirkburn|afk | There's a [[wiki]] link in th e2nd par |
| 01:06.49 | Kirkburn|afk | *2nd para |
| 01:09.52 | Zeal | i noticed |
| 01:10.03 | Zeal | but for some reason i'm fond of it.. lol |
| 01:10.40 | Zeal | it shall be removed |
| 01:12.24 | Bagginsww | ya much like the introduction |
| 01:13.22 | Zeal | hm.. vlad_ did you say redirects are broken atm? :s |
| 01:13.44 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Wikipedia is not redirecting.. |
| 01:17.12 | Bagginsww | Warcraft Universe, isn't about the same as the "source" article? |
| 01:17.32 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Source |
| 01:17.58 | Bagginsww | and can we get rid of the "canonical" term? |
| 01:18.04 | Bagginsww | official sources of lore |
| 01:18.07 | Bagginsww | is more neutral |
| 01:23.29 | Bagginsww | might want to check edits by laithina |
| 01:23.47 | Bagginsww | small pointless edits it looks like |
| 01:24.45 | Fin | http://www.dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict1&Query=canonical |
| 01:25.12 | Fin | :) |
| 01:26.14 | Bagginsww | "error"? |
| 01:26.15 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 01:26.55 | Zeal | cleaned up the canon article |
| 01:28.08 | Bagginsww | ya that's better |
| 01:28.36 | Fin | well tits, "Backend database engine error: please try again later" |
| 01:28.41 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 01:28.56 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.57 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.02 | Bagginsww | we could bring up websters exaggerates 10 definitions |
| 01:29.33 | Fin | it does have a strong religious connotations to it, though |
| 01:29.39 | Bagginsww | that's our main issue |
| 01:29.50 | Bagginsww | and people get mad assumgin we are trying to promoate our own fanon |
| 01:29.52 | Bagginsww | over canon |
| 01:29.54 | Fin | I was typing that while you said that :) |
| 01:29.56 | Bagginsww | thus why we are trying to neutralize |
| 01:30.11 | Fin | weeeell |
| 01:30.17 | Bagginsww | when we are niether tring to promote fanon or canon |
| 01:30.29 | Fin | there's a lot of people who do a fairly accurate impression of a religious fanatic |
| 01:30.37 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 01:30.41 | Bagginsww | I know what you mean LOL |
| 01:31.00 | Fin | and using the word "canon" seems a bit tongue in cheek - it's always good not to take yourself too seriously |
| 01:31.18 | Fin | then it's easy to spot the people that *are* taking themselves too seriously :) |
| 01:31.44 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 01:32.14 | Bagginsww | oh people who use canon get really serious aobut it believe me ;) |
| 01:32.29 | Bagginsww | too much time in star wars, and star trek communities |
| 01:32.37 | Fin | well... maybe that's their problem? you're obviously not a religion; it's a game |
| 01:32.45 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 01:33.34 | Fin | so using "canon" shouldn't be a problem - people who accuse you of thinking of yourself as a religion can rightly be told that they have no sense of humour but are still welcome to make a sacrifice |
| 01:33.57 | Fin | people who *do* think of it as religion, just, I dunno, they really shouldn't |
| 01:34.00 | Bagginsww | well I don't necessarily like to use canon either since blizzard does not use the terminology |
| 01:34.05 | Bagginsww | at least not commonly. |
| 01:34.06 | Fin | so? |
| 01:34.08 | Bagginsww | I've heard rumors |
| 01:34.25 | Bagginsww | they have used the temr "official" , or "lore' from most quoations I've read |
| 01:34.42 | Fin | that's not a great reason either :) you can have your own style, blizzard just make the money off us :) |
| 01:34.46 | Bagginsww | can't think of many franchises that use the term "lore" |
| 01:34.50 | Bagginsww | however |
| 01:35.00 | Bagginsww | is it a rpg thing? |
| 01:35.17 | Fin | it's all rumours mate, rumours and speculation and fiction :) |
| 01:35.22 | Bagginsww | next we can have the article on "fanon" lol |
| 01:35.25 | Bagginsww | if it doesn't exist alreadey |
| 01:35.54 | Fin | I'd vote, go for canon :) |
| 01:36.57 | Fin | it's nice, just over the top enough to be tongue in cheek and not over the top enough to actually deviate from High Lords Blizzard :) |
| 01:38.05 | Zeal | fin, blizzard has only discussed the validity of their lore and various sources in terms of official and unofficial. nothing Blizzard has ever produced has ever come under unofficial. |
| 01:38.18 | Bagginsww | I don't know i've been attacked over it to much, by those that think they have their own view of what is and isn't canon. If you go outside if their view bam you are "wrong" |
| 01:38.32 | Bagginsww | and I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes |
| 01:38.57 | Fin | that statement sounds almost like you're correcting me, but doesn't say much other than "Blizzard's stuff is official"? |
| 01:39.17 | Bagginsww | I feel like Ghandi |
| 01:39.20 | Bagginsww | passive resistance... |
| 01:39.24 | Bagginsww | not in a war :p |
| 01:39.43 | Fin | aww, c'mon, you love it really :) |
| 01:39.45 | Bagginsww | not trying to cause a war |
| 01:39.51 | Zeal | People use the term canon on top of that, to describe what they official lore they beleive to be valid as lore and what they beleive to be invalid lore. the wiki takes a neutral stance on this, and sticks with what Blizzard have said, that it is all official. thy refuse to except this, and beleive things they cosnider non-canon is being pushed as canon by the wiki. |
| 01:39.51 | Bagginsww | actually I quite star wars over this crap |
| 01:39.57 | Bagginsww | got too tired of it |
| 01:40.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Seriously, Fin - this isn't a war for us. |
| 01:40.16 | Zeal | *what official lore they |
| 01:40.17 | Fin | zeal, you sound like you're correcting me again |
| 01:40.18 | Fin | are you? |
| 01:40.24 | Kirkburn|afk | It's like someone attacking Switzerland :/ |
| 01:40.29 | Zeal | yes, as you seemed to be missing the pint ;) |
| 01:40.31 | Fin | Kirkburn|afk: it's very difficult to tell from my point of view! |
| 01:40.34 | Zeal | *point |
| 01:40.41 | Bagginsww | basically we don't want to push any views on anyone |
| 01:40.47 | Fin | Zeal: maybe you're missing my point? |
| 01:41.01 | Zeal | definitely fin, i saw no point from you :P |
| 01:41.11 | Fin | so what was there to correct? |
| 01:41.19 | Thrae | "Lore" is an archaic term. Blizzard likes to use archaic terms. And English accents. |
| 01:41.34 | Fin | "canon" is also archaic |
| 01:41.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Thrae, damn right :D |
| 01:41.48 | Thrae | Like "Derigible" for "Blimp" |
| 01:41.54 | Bagginsww | love that word |
| 01:41.56 | Bagginsww | Derigible |
| 01:41.59 | Fin | nono! dirigible means something else I think! |
| 01:42.02 | Fin | I'm not entirely sure though |
| 01:42.03 | Bagginsww | although they use Zeppilen |
| 01:42.04 | Zeal | you were taking a laid back approach and seemed to just see it is nerdish talk. was explaining why it's a real problem, and what the problem is. |
| 01:42.07 | Bagginsww | Goblin Zeppelin |
| 01:42.10 | Fin | I'll have to look it up, hang on |
| 01:42.11 | Zeal | *as |
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| 01:42.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Dirigible means movable, blimp = static? |
| 01:42.57 | Thrae | Derigible is a Blimp or any Balloon mobile person...thingie...brain dying. |
| 01:43.13 | cK^DeathmanX | bad news |
| 01:43.13 | Thrae | Blimps are intended to move... |
| 01:43.25 | Kirkburn|afk | cK^DeathmanX, hullo? |
| 01:43.33 | cK^DeathmanX | ok |
| 01:43.36 | Zeal | you pooped your pants? :s |
| 01:43.37 | cK^DeathmanX | i was just at gamestop |
| 01:43.40 | Bagginsww | one of those multie definition things |
| 01:43.48 | Fin | Zeal: if it's a real problem, that's fair enough - I do think however that accepting "canon" as being used with tinge of humour and self awareness could be a good thing; perhaps even raise you above the level of the people who so vehemently complain about it |
| 01:43.52 | cK^DeathmanX | i bought a pack of WOW cards |
| 01:43.52 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, you're such a child! :P |
| 01:43.55 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.55 | Fin | that's not quite what I meant |
| 01:43.56 | cK^DeathmanX | and i didnt get a snapjaw |
| 01:43.58 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.00 | Fin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.03 | Kirkburn|afk | cK^DeathmanX, noo! |
| 01:44.09 | cK^DeathmanX | and also didnt preorder BC |
| 01:44.14 | Thrae | A Blimp is a balloon. |
| 01:44.29 | Fin | but Iain M. Banks uses it in his books when referring to huge organic plant like aliens things that float around and live for billions of years |
| 01:44.34 | Bagginsww | blimp in american is the same thing as a derigble |
| 01:44.39 | Bagginsww | definition wise |
| 01:44.50 | Bagginsww | and zeppelin |
| 01:44.56 | Bagginsww | good year blimp anyone? |
| 01:45.06 | Thrae | Fin: If it's filled with gas lighter then air, it's a balloon. Balloons don't need to be made of rubber. |
| 01:45.31 | Thrae | Fear the balloon-head aliens. |
| 01:45.54 | Fin | please paste me the definition of balloon from your favourite source :) |
| 01:45.55 | Zeal | fin, it's a war sadly i have to fight being a lore fanatic. i wish i didn't and i'd rather choose not to except use of the term period as i always try to remain neutral, like a wiki, despite having my own views of what i think is good and bad lore. |
| 01:46.12 | cK^DeathmanX | Good news. |
| 01:46.22 | Bagginsww | 1 : an airship that maintains its form by pressure from contained gas webster |
| 01:46.22 | Fin | Zeal: using "canon" is meta |
| 01:46.28 | Bagginsww | american definition |
| 01:46.30 | Bagginsww | of blimp |
| 01:46.30 | cK^DeathmanX | I got the electromagnetic gigaflux reactivator |
| 01:46.30 | Fin | it's not Lore itself |
| 01:46.37 | Thrae | Fin: Most dictionary definitions suck. |
| 01:46.40 | Zeal | bu it's used by others fin |
| 01:46.54 | Fin | Thrae: good for arguments over IRC though |
| 01:46.55 | Thrae | cK^DeathmanX: Dammit I want that. I keep farming and farming that boss... |
| 01:47.00 | Zeal | it's hard to have a conversation with someone using a term if you don't acknowledge it. |
| 01:47.17 | Bagginsww | and yes I'm aware that american language is different than the brits. |
| 01:47.25 | Fin | Zeal: you just told me "I have to fight a war about lore", then I said it's meta, then you said "it's used by others" |
| 01:47.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Just so you know, it really is "dirigible", not an 'e' =) |
| 01:47.28 | Bagginsww | we have quite a few definition differences |
| 01:47.34 | Fin | honestly I'm having a hard time connecting the dots |
| 01:47.50 | Zeal | i don;t follow what you meant by meta |
| 01:47.57 | cK^DeathmanX | Thrae, got it on my second trip |
| 01:48.19 | cK^DeathmanX | Whats with this server, I want to change my nick back but my other connection wont DIE OFF |
| 01:48.24 | Fin | I mean, it's not Lore itself, it's just words used to describe the Lore; it's words describing the words describing the Lore |
| 01:48.45 | Fin | aiee |
| 01:48.49 | Zeal | in which case i do not see your point to my original statement :P |
| 01:48.52 | Bagginsww | a few years ago grey listed as its own word in websters |
| 01:49.00 | Bagginsww | and cited as "chiefly british" |
| 01:49.05 | Zeal | indeed |
| 01:49.07 | Bagginsww | now its on the same page as gray |
| 01:49.15 | Fin | zeal, your original statement said that you're fighting about lore |
| 01:49.20 | Bagginsww | cause frankly we should be able to spell it any way we please ;) |
| 01:49.24 | Fin | using "canon" is not lore |
| 01:49.27 | Bagginsww | and I'm American LOL |
| 01:49.30 | Thrae | Fin: If you want an exercise in futility, sure. Debating on definitions is silly. If most people know what you mean when you use a word, then that's fine enough by common standards. Grammatical debates are for uptight English professors who are frustrated at their lack of talent in creative writing. |
| 01:50.11 | Fin | Thrae: I don't think I've argued the definition of lore much... is that what you're referring to? |
| 01:50.20 | Kirkburn|afk | (or people who are losing an argument ;) |
| 01:50.25 | Zeal | using canon to describe lore is (sadly) part of a lore discussion. thus i am fighting a war about lore. O_o |
| 01:50.25 | Thrae | Fin: I'm arguing principle. |
| 01:50.33 | Fin | I pasted the definition and said it had religious connotations, that's all - but yeah sure, you're right |
| 01:50.47 | Bagginsww | not always kirkburn not if the person twisted the meaning in the first place or tried to twist what you said :p |
| 01:50.57 | Bagginsww | or language barrier miscommunication |
| 01:50.57 | Zeal | never said canon was lore.. canon is used in lore. |
| 01:51.00 | Fin | Thrae: stating that it's for uptight English professors doesn't rule out that it might be for other people too, however |
| 01:51.03 | Kirkburn|afk | I was being silly :P |
| 01:51.10 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 01:51.33 | Bagginsww | zeal yo ucould almost turn that int haiku |
| 01:51.55 | Zeal | oh? lol |
| 01:52.43 | Fin | OK..? |
| 01:52.43 | Thrae | Well, back when the word "Lore" was first used, the Christian Church had a strangehold. So of course it probably had religious connotations. Many words were invented by the nobility, of which the church was part of. However, times change, and so does the evolution of the language. As the church gained less influence, words gained less religious connotations. |
| 01:52.43 | Fin | is it one or the other? |
| 01:52.43 | Bagginsww | well you just need to turn your thoughts into what is it 4 7 5? |
| 01:52.43 | Fin | Lore or Canon? |
| 01:52.43 | Bagginsww | for haiku |
| 01:52.48 | Fin | 5 7 5 |
| 01:52.53 | Fin | here's my favourite: |
| 01:52.56 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 01:52.58 | Fin | haikus are easy |
| 01:53.03 | Fin | sometimes they are complicated |
| 01:53.06 | Fin | refrigerator |
| 01:53.09 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 01:53.13 | Fin | arg, I got it wrong |
| 01:53.19 | Zeal | ... "i'm fighting a war about canon's use in lore" make it any clearer fin? being ridicolous now : / |
| 01:53.20 | Fin | the second line is actually "sometimes they don't make sense" |
| 01:54.00 | Zeal | *warcraft's lore >_> |
| 01:54.06 | Fin | I don't get it |
| 01:54.07 | Fin | sorry :( |
| 01:54.16 | Kirkburn|afk | My felguard has greater dmg output then me on low level mobs :) |
| 01:54.16 | Zeal | meh |
| 01:54.21 | Zeal | rofl Kirkburn|afk |
| 01:54.48 | Fin | something can be canonical, but not loreical? |
| 01:55.02 | Fin | canonical lore is just the official stuff, no? |
| 01:55.17 | Bagginsww | the biggest problem is whenever someone throws around cnaon, others thrown around non-canon |
| 01:55.36 | Bagginsww | and vice versa |
| 01:55.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Take who was the first druid - I guess you could say both sides have their lore (tauren think it was them, NEs too), but 'canon' is that it was Malfurion |
| 01:56.05 | Zeal | canonical lore doesn't exist in warcraft until Blizzard start to say what official sources, are or aren't canon. |
| 01:56.25 | Fin | using the word "canon" seems to me (and this is all I'm saying), uhm, intellectually humourous on a level that illustrates (but doesn't emphasise) that it's perhaps not real life in the end (despite being something worth enjoying)? |
| 01:57.05 | Bagginsww | except alot more zealots :p |
| 01:57.10 | Zeal | well that was why i said it seemed you had a laid back approach. there's a problem, and it's not going to go awake just by ignoring it :P |
| 01:57.18 | Fin | Zeal: canonical law not existing doesn't have anything to do with using the word "canon" or not |
| 01:57.24 | Zeal | i wish we could be laid back like that :P |
| 01:57.31 | Bagginsww | don't we all |
| 01:57.40 | Zeal | in terms of warcraft lore it does fin. |
| 01:58.07 | Fin | the problem of people who are taking it *too* seriously (and I would suggest that anyone who believes you are a religion (and therefore debates the use of the word "canon") is taking it too seriously) is not going to go away by not using the word "canon" |
| 01:58.39 | Bagginsww | well its the people who think its a religion that we worry about LOL |
| 01:58.42 | Fin | -law+lore |
| 01:58.51 | Bagginsww | that is they treat it as a religion that htey woship in |
| 01:59.03 | Bagginsww | majority of us don't |
| 01:59.42 | Bagginsww | so for every thing they say canon, they also have their strong opinion of what htey think is non-canon |
| 01:59.54 | Bagginsww | plus the fanon concept |
| 02:00.03 | Bagginsww | *thus |
| 02:00.24 | Bagginsww | they start acting like we attacked them somehow |
| 02:00.28 | Zeal | it is fin. they claim something that their god (Blizzard in this case) chooses not claim. if you remove their ability to claim it, then they are back in line their their god and with the rest of us :p |
| 02:00.40 | Fin | this is your reasoning for deciding to stop using the word "canon"? |
| 02:00.46 | Zeal | *with their |
| 02:01.00 | Bagginsww | our reasoning is just to use blizzard's terminology not our own |
| 02:01.07 | Fin | are you saying you're just going to stop saying that anything is official? |
| 02:01.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, someone just rang my flat doorbell =) |
| 02:01.17 | Bagginsww | canon is more "speculation" |
| 02:01.19 | Zeal | it's not really the term canon fin, its validity and invalidity, it could be any word with the same meaning |
| 02:01.33 | Kirkburn|afk | A very drunk girl from upstairs, lost her keys and phone |
| 02:01.34 | Fin | so you're going to stop claiming that anything is official and valid |
| 02:01.49 | Bagginsww | well if its copyrighted to blizzard its "official" source |
| 02:01.54 | Bagginsww | neither valid nor invalid |
| 02:01.57 | Zeal | not official, as that is seperate in this case, but yes. |
| 02:02.07 | Bagginsww | non-official is fanfic |
| 02:02.28 | Fin | and this will solve which problem - that of the people who take it too seriously taking it too seriously? |
| 02:02.28 | Bagginsww | that is not authorized or printed by blizzard |
| 02:02.36 | Fin | not solve, sorry - but help? |
| 02:02.48 | Bagginsww | their issue was with the word "canon" oddly LOL |
| 02:03.06 | Zeal | honestly, i don't see the seriousness an issue, that's nothing to do with me :p |
| 02:03.12 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 02:03.21 | Zeal | just to stop people claiming things that are known not to be true. |
| 02:03.35 | Fin | if you don't see it as serious, why are you bothering to stop using it? |
| 02:03.38 | Fin | that sounds fairly serious |
| 02:03.47 | Orclev | canon means it's official... of course how that applies to a fictional world I'm not quite sure |
| 02:03.49 | Fin | that's not right |
| 02:04.05 | Zeal | i said it's not an issue, i never said i don't see it as serious. i think it's obvious i do. |
| 02:04.50 | Fin | it's serious, but not an issue? |
| 02:05.01 | Fin | hey |
| 02:05.08 | Zeal | i like order, that requires being serious. plenty of times when it doesn't matter that i can not be serious though. |
| 02:05.23 | Zeal | hence, a non-issue |
| 02:06.57 | Fin | so you think "canon" is wrong to use because this is serious? |
| 02:08.10 | Kirkburn|afk | ~coconuts |
| 02:08.18 | infobot | I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts, there they are all standing in a row. Big ones, small ones, some as big as your head, give them a twist, a flick of the wrist, that's what the showman said! |
| 02:08.18 | Fin | and to properly be serious you should use the terminology used by the people that define canonerrofficial bits |
| 02:08.35 | Zeal | i consider canon to be wrong because it is not the truth, i consider it a serious matter and i feel there should be an order to things, as many things, especially in this digitial age, operate on it. |
| 02:08.52 | Zeal | *as i feel |
| 02:08.56 | Fin | I honestly didn't intend to keep discussing this so long, I'm just having trouble finding something that's been said that doesn't seem slightly wrong |
| 02:09.11 | Zeal | er.. lol |
| 02:09.53 | Fin | so people are using the word "canon" to mean official and valid, but that's incorrect, and - as you want to be serious (fair enough!) you want to stop using it to describe official and valid? |
| 02:10.14 | Fin | I mean, slightly wrong to me - that just means I don't understand something generally |
| 02:11.34 | Fin | if I was involved in this I might be tempted to keep using "canon" just to stir things up a bit, for the reasons I said above about it being slightly humourous :) |
| 02:11.47 | Kirkburn|afk | I think what is being said here is that nothing in Warcraft is canon, because it's flexible |
| 02:12.25 | Zeal | people are using the word "canon" to mean valid official lore and "non-canon" to mean in-valid official lore. That is incorrect, as the definitive source of this information does not make such a a distinction between the two. Therefore i want people to stop making that distinction, in this case, stop using the world canon. |
| 02:12.27 | Kirkburn|afk | To call something canon gives the impression that it won't be altered in future |
| 02:13.01 | Fin | aha! |
| 02:13.01 | Fin | now that makes much more sense |
| 02:13.03 | Zeal | lmao |
| 02:13.10 | Fin | thanks! |
| 02:13.14 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:13.18 | Bagginsww | what did I miss |
| 02:13.35 | Bagginsww | hmm looks like you finally got to the root of the issue |
| 02:14.15 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 02:14.19 | Fin | still think you're wrong though! |
| 02:14.24 | Zeal | oh? :o |
| 02:14.28 | Fin | well |
| 02:14.47 | Fin | other people obviously see a difference |
| 02:14.56 | Orclev | hmm... I'm bored... maybe I'll play with the bot |
| 02:15.12 | Fin | yeah, you're right |
| 02:15.22 | Orclev | infobot, cannon |
| 02:15.29 | infobot | stuffs orclev into a cannon along with some really nasty stuff, and pulls the cord shooting him into the neverworld |
| 02:15.30 | Orclev | infobot, canon |
| 02:15.35 | Orclev | hehe |
| 02:15.45 | Fin | infobot, cannon is BOOM |
| 02:15.46 | infobot | stuffs fin into a cannon along with some really nasty stuff, and pulls the cord shooting him into the neverworld |
| 02:15.53 | Fin | aw |
| 02:15.54 | Orclev | infobot, jerkit |
| 02:16.03 | Fin | infobot, stats |
| 02:16.04 | infobot | Since Mon Jan 8 04:50:05 2007, there have been 189 modifications, 1073 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 825 commands. I have been awake for 7d 21h 25m 58s this session, and currently reference 112395 factoids. I'm using about 18876 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 31779.81/2116.98 child 0.04/0.01 |
| 02:16.07 | Orclev | that module not loaded? |
| 02:16.26 | Fin | I love stats |
| 02:16.44 | Zeal | fin, i see differences too. there are things imo that are canon and not, but i don't go around preaching my opinions them as fact. i state them as my opinions, thus they fall under the realm of speculation. |
| 02:16.56 | Zeal | *-them |
| 02:17.00 | Orclev | We used to use the karma system all the time in the last IRC channel I hung out in, but that dosn't seem very popular around here |
| 02:17.08 | Orclev | Zeal++ |
| 02:17.23 | Orclev | infobot, karma for Zeal |
| 02:17.23 | infobot | for zeal has neutral karma |
| 02:17.27 | Fin | only because mostly people don't use it |
| 02:17.28 | Orclev | hmm |
| 02:17.33 | Zeal | :o |
| 02:17.37 | Orclev | infobot, karma zeal |
| 02:17.37 | infobot | zeal has neutral karma |
| 02:18.07 | Zeal | infobot, my karma ran over your dogma |
| 02:18.12 | Orclev | hehe |
| 02:18.15 | Orclev | zeal++ |
| 02:19.43 | Kirkburn|afk | argh, from end of Darkshore to the other |
| 02:20.02 | Zeal | before you drivers died? :P |
| 02:20.05 | Zeal | *your |
| 02:20.17 | Kirkburn|afk | It's soooo long :( |
| 02:20.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I hate you, Onu! |
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| 02:20.39 | Zeal | O_o |
| 02:21.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Chatted to a GM for the first time today :) |
| 02:21.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Almost two years since starting |
| 02:21.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Reported gold seller |
| 02:21.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Got another one reported now |
| 02:21.59 | Fin | I do that all the time |
| 02:22.02 | Orclev | how do you report gold sellers? |
| 02:22.06 | Fin | they stopped whispering me personally now |
| 02:22.11 | Kirkburn|afk | I do it under verbal harassment |
| 02:22.13 | Fin | there's some bot that sends an automated message |
| 02:22.23 | Zeal | i get about 5 gold seller mails a month, about 10 whispers as day. |
| 02:22.33 | Fin | if you whisper again, it just repeats "if you wish to get in touch with a GM, blah blah" |
| 02:22.45 | Fin | it's nice for automatically reporting them |
| 02:22.53 | Zeal | oh? coolies |
| 02:22.57 | Fin | probably doesn't help much, but might, and they said to keep reporting them |
| 02:23.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Link? :) |
| 02:23.02 | Fin | yeah, works for mail and chat |
| 02:23.03 | Orclev | everytime I get one of those spam whispers I just reply with fuck off |
| 02:23.12 | Zeal | damn Orclev |
| 02:23.15 | Zeal | *same |
| 02:23.16 | Zeal | :s |
| 02:23.40 | Fin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=5552 |
| 02:23.50 | Fin | it blocks the whispers as well |
| 02:24.00 | Fin | just adds them to a list and says "spam blocked" |
| 02:24.14 | Fin | I check the list later and it prepares a nice ticket that I send off, very neat addon |
| 02:24.20 | Orclev | good to have |
| 02:24.25 | Fin | the spam checking is a bit hokey but it's easy to remove people from it |
| 02:24.33 | Fin | and apparently easy to update |
| 02:24.54 | Fin | recently added a nifty little fubar addon as well |
| 02:25.16 | Zeal | the one thing i'm dreading is addons tomorrow.. |
| 02:25.21 | Fin | someone should start claiming that it needs to be rewritten in Ace2 soon, I should think |
| 02:25.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow, just found a new place I've never been to before |
| 02:25.57 | Orclev | wish I could figure out why my AddOn semi-randomly crashes the client, and corrupts the friends list in certain situations |
| 02:25.57 | Zeal | :o |
| 02:25.57 | Fin | Outland? |
| 02:26.00 | Zeal | his crotch. |
| 02:26.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope, northern Darkshore |
| 02:26.01 | Fin | you wrote it yourself? |
| 02:26.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Ruins of Mathystra |
| 02:26.11 | Fin | YOUR crotch! |
| 02:26.12 | Orclev | yeah |
| 02:26.16 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:26.33 | Zeal | forget where that is.. sounds blatent naga |
| 02:27.01 | Orclev | it's rather simple in some ways... and I'm already planning a number of changes to fix some issues with it. But the main problem is, I have no idea why it crashes the client |
| 02:27.17 | Zeal | looks like my proposals won't be written for a while now >_>; |
| 02:27.41 | Zeal | well sounds rather serios |
| 02:27.52 | Zeal | i'd remove functionality until it stops |
| 02:28.00 | Zeal | give you an idea. |
| 02:28.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Woot, another GM :) |
| 02:28.38 | Kirkburn|afk | "Osquivel" |
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| 02:28.50 | Orclev | well, I can't really remove any functionality as then I wouldn't have an AddOn... it really only does one thing, which is to make sure that a common list of friends is kept synchronized between all the characters on a realm |
| 02:29.00 | Zeal | all mods have since been addressed by wow now.. |
| 02:29.14 | Orclev | has something to do with threading I think |
| 02:29.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, what do you mean? |
| 02:29.22 | Zeal | *all my mods |
| 02:29.45 | Zeal | ie, they've been made redundant through additions or blocking in the game. |
| 02:29.48 | Orclev | dosn't like when an event handler kicks off the event it's designed to handle it seems, even when I explicitly set a semaphore to prevent concurrent modifications |
| 02:29.48 | Bagginsww | I've told vargedan but I can't find the temr "magic elemental' or "mana elemental" anywhere iin any official sources |
| 02:29.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh I see |
| 02:30.06 | Bagginsww | rpg calls the type of creature as a whole "mana surge" |
| 02:30.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Mana surge, I've heard of that |
| 02:30.31 | Zeal | they wre generally rank scaling, self casting, inteligent spell choices etc. |
| 02:30.45 | Kirkburn|afk | There are mana surges in Dustwallow |
| 02:30.54 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.thottbot.com/?s=mana+surge |
| 02:31.18 | Kirkburn|afk | (from a mage quest) |
| 02:31.25 | Zeal | what are the oens moam summons? |
| 02:31.31 | Bagginsww | yya |
| 02:31.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Tabetha (a.k.a. Aegwynn? \o/) |
| 02:31.43 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 02:31.50 | Zeal | they were were mana elementals or something |
| 02:32.26 | Bagginsww | pretty sure man aelemental as a term doesn't exist |
| 02:32.34 | Bagginsww | I've done a alla search |
| 02:32.38 | Bagginsww | thottbot search |
| 02:32.38 | Bagginsww | etc |
| 02:33.03 | Bagginsww | and they aren't even elementals in rpg |
| 02:33.08 | Bagginsww | closer relation to oozes |
| 02:33.13 | Zeal | one sec.. |
| 02:34.04 | Kirkburn|afk | So far I'm down 43g today :P |
| 02:34.04 | Bagginsww | they have elemental classification in WoW |
| 02:34.08 | Zeal | "Far more surprising, even to the arcane emperors, was Moam's ability to summon burning elementals crafted of pure mana." {{cite| http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/raiddungeons/ahnqiraj/moam.html }} ;) |
| 02:34.17 | Bagginsww | but they are not ever called "elementals" |
| 02:34.32 | Bagginsww | that helps I suppose |
| 02:34.37 | Bagginsww | "burnign elemental" |
| 02:34.45 | Zeal | burning mana elementals essentially, lol. |
| 02:35.07 | Zeal | or mana burning? |
| 02:35.11 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:35.30 | Kirkburn|afk | former |
| 02:36.24 | Bagginsww | well we can find out what the hey is when monster manual comes out |
| 02:36.34 | Bagginsww | it supposed to clarify on officilal race names |
| 02:36.43 | Bagginsww | like flamewakers and others |
| 02:36.54 | Zeal | cool |
| 02:36.59 | Zeal | fire naga! lol |
| 02:36.59 | Bagginsww | but it was definitley mana surge in the old one |
| 02:37.05 | Bagginsww | and they werne't elementals LOL |
| 02:37.11 | Zeal | i always did like the salamander name too though. |
| 02:37.32 | Bagginsww | ya but do we need another Salamander? |
| 02:37.46 | Zeal | because the other one is elsser known :P |
| 02:37.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Damn this server is too responsive now! |
| 02:38.04 | Zeal | too reponsive? lol |
| 02:38.04 | Kirkburn|afk | I barelt skim a building and I get dismounted |
| 02:38.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Seriously, it's amazing |
| 02:38.13 | Zeal | darn : / |
| 02:38.16 | Zeal | i miss that |
| 02:38.39 | Zeal | i hate getting dismounted in the zep and flight towers in and outside org : / |
| 02:42.26 | Zeal | and inside bridge buildings in tb.. |
| 02:42.33 | Bagginsww | uh maui is the one with honoluhu or is that oahu? |
| 02:43.24 | Zeal | o'ahu |
| 02:43.47 | Bagginsww | then its o'ahu LOL |
| 02:44.56 | Zeal | lol, kk |
| 02:46.43 | Bagginsww | last time I went there it was those two islands |
| 02:46.50 | Bagginsww | so its kind of a blur LOL |
| 02:46.59 | Bagginsww | was only there 2.5 days |
| 02:49.52 | Zeal | i see |
| 02:52.31 | Zeal | tell you what would be nice, if mediwiki added the support, for when transcluding pages, you could do something like {{<page>#1-5}} to include everything under the first 5 top level headers of a page. |
| 02:52.58 | Zeal | #0 to get the stuff before the first header |
| 02:53.10 | Zeal | make life easier.. |
| 02:54.03 | Zeal | hm.. something like that just might be possible with my contentbox template now i think about it |
| 02:55.59 | Zeal | inside if statements around the box, to check for variables given to the page. though it would require a user to specify the number manually. you'd end up with {{<page>|<headersuptothisnumber>|<headerwiththisnumber>}} or something. |
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| 03:41.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Woot now I got asked to fill out a GM survey :) |
| 03:42.03 | Zeal | wtf? :o |
| 03:42.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Rate your GM |
| 03:42.11 | Zeal | oh nvm i get it.. |
| 03:42.21 | Zeal | thought you were asked to be a GM, lol. |
| 03:42.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Excellent, Excellent, Excellent, Excellent, Excellent, :) |
| 03:42.26 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 03:43.10 | Zeal | wiki rather slow.. |
| 03:43.19 | Zeal | not speed, as in use. |
| 03:43.24 | Zeal | *not as in |
| 03:43.39 | Zeal | ... *not as in speed, as in use. |
| 03:43.43 | Zeal | >_>; |
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| 04:10.37 | Kirkburn|afk | So violent |
| 04:10.44 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:11.01 | Zeal | fill me in on why modules can;t be installed on wowwiki :P |
| 04:11.05 | Zeal | *can't |
| 04:14.41 | Bagginsww | holbeiheim was discussing this earlier right? |
| 04:15.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Because vlad is a busy man |
| 04:18.07 | Zeal | lol.. |
| 04:18.16 | Zeal | is that it? not problems or limitations? |
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| 04:22.24 | PenguinECE | hello |
| 04:24.36 | Bagginsww | Is he the only one that knows how to do it then? |
| 04:25.10 | Zeal | lo PenguinECE |
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| 04:35.12 | Sky2042 | ok, noob question |
| 04:35.42 | Sky2042 | hello? :o |
| 04:36.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Aman, that's his name |
| 04:36.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, the Titan guy who gets summoned in the inn |
| 04:37.15 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 04:37.16 | Bagginsww | ya? |
| 04:37.26 | Bagginsww | you found out more about it? |
| 04:37.37 | Kirkburn|afk | I just summoned him =) |
| 04:37.52 | Bagginsww | heh screenshots |
| 04:37.52 | Bagginsww | its been along time since I did that quest |
| 04:38.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Not much to say really, didn't screenshot his appearance though |
| 04:38.17 | Kirkburn|afk | The text might be useful? |
| 04:38.22 | Bagginsww | maybe |
| 04:38.42 | Bagginsww | well catalog it for the quest article ;) |
| 04:38.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, have kept the pic |
| 04:39.33 | Bagginsww | you know I have the letters you get back from scourge quest in my bank I should screenshot those |
| 04:39.47 | Bagginsww | at least I think I still hae the letters |
| 04:39.51 | Bagginsww | form the scourge invasion |
| 04:40.06 | Bagginsww | the ones discussing hte family research |
| 04:41.02 | Kirkburn|afk | argh, missed the boat |
| 04:41.35 | Bagginsww | :( |
| 04:41.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Gained 21,000 Darnassus rep so far :D |
| 04:41.43 | Bagginsww | wow |
| 04:41.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I sooo wanna get exalted |
| 04:42.06 | Bagginsww | unfortunately I did most of htose quests already for lore :p |
| 04:43.38 | Kirkburn|afk | I've finished all Teldrassil, Darkshore and Ashenvale quests |
| 04:43.56 | Kirkburn|afk | (all the interesting ones anyway) |
| 04:44.03 | Kirkburn|afk | So now I'm a bit stuck |
| 04:44.07 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 04:44.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Think I might now do all the IF ones =) |
| 04:44.16 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
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| 04:46.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm even almost honored with Exodar |
| 04:48.06 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, you blew off a newbie :p |
| 04:48.12 | Zeal | lo Sky2042, whats up? |
| 04:48.24 | Kirkburn|afk | fwhaa? |
| 04:48.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yeah, sorry |
| 04:48.46 | Sky2042 | lol :P |
| 04:49.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Just ask away, it's silly to ask if you can ask ;) |
| 04:49.07 | Sky2042 | ok, this is pretty bad: what is the easiest way to create a new page? >:( |
| 04:49.17 | Zeal | type in the url |
| 04:49.19 | Sky2042 | i just couldn't understand the help page |
| 04:49.22 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 04:49.28 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 04:49.32 | Zeal | if it doesn't exist, it will present you with the edit page to make it :p |
| 04:49.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Type it exactly as you want it to appear, spaces an dall |
| 04:50.00 | Sky2042 | thx guys. now im off to go eat some item stubs. >:) |
| 04:50.08 | Kirkburn|afk | yum |
| 04:50.26 | Zeal | *presents you with a link to edit it ;p |
| 04:50.34 | Zeal | lol kk |
| 04:50.54 | Zeal | so yeah.. Aman. |
| 04:51.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Good poit |
| 04:51.04 | Zeal | is it a summon or his spirit i wonder though? |
| 04:51.05 | Kirkburn|afk | *point |
| 04:51.21 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a spirit, it suggests |
| 04:51.28 | Zeal | if its spirit, it's more understandable it would be Aman'Thul. |
| 04:51.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yeah: |
| 04:51.44 | Nolando-sleep | good night everyone |
| 04:51.49 | Kirkburn|afk | "By the stars! A spirit has been summoned!" |
| 04:51.52 | Kirkburn|afk | See ya |
| 04:52.15 | Zeal | nn |
| 04:52.42 | Zeal | well, same thing :P |
| 04:52.42 | Zeal | i essentially meant summoned spirit or summoned physically. |
| 04:53.37 | Zeal | because that way, it can be considered a trace of a spirit, which apparently everyone leaves on anything they have contact with, especially when they have great connection to it. |
| 04:53.51 | Zeal | not actually suggesting Aman'Thul is dead :p |
| 04:54.35 | Zeal | Medivh explains it in tLG to khadgar :) |
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| 04:58.29 | Bagginsww | astral projection |
| 04:59.07 | Zeal | that's possible too |
| 04:59.13 | Zeal | but i'm doubtful of it. |
| 04:59.20 | Zeal | depends what he says i guess |
| 05:01.54 | Zeal | wb Tekkub |
| 05:02.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Wow. I just found a new quest to do for level 60 :D |
| 05:02.13 | Kirkburn|afk | I thought I'd found every single solo one left =) |
| 05:05.20 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:06.19 | Tekkub | I WIN! |
| 05:06.42 | Tekkub | got names Bear and Cub on all of the new PvE servers :) |
| 05:07.50 | Tekkub | Now I just need the motivation to play one |
| 05:07.58 | Tekkub | anyway, off to Wally then Warky |
| 05:19.29 | kazurk | TBC!!! |
| 05:32.11 | Orclev | how are the servers holding up so far? |
| 05:33.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Dunno about Outland, but Azeroth is fine for me :) |
| 05:39.14 | Orclev | bah, installer is at 90% now |
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| 05:45.20 | Hobinheim | paging lore expert |
| 05:45.27 | Hobinheim | i just got my copy of bc |
| 05:45.41 | Hobinheim | although i'm trying to balance life and prepare some stuff for work.. it's gonna be a long night... =( |
| 05:46.19 | Hobinheim | uhh anyway just dropping in to say i need a citation name for the burning crusade manual. i'm sure it tells us nothing new |
| 05:49.49 | Orclev | wtf, the damned BC installer wiped all the updates, I'm having to repatch back to 2.0.5 |
| 05:50.05 | Sky2042 | OUCH |
| 05:50.09 | Sky2042 | *caps |
| 05:50.37 | kazurk | we all are Orclev |
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| 05:57.07 | Zeal | huh Hobinheim? :S |
| 06:17.13 | Kirkburn|afk | The version on the BC CDs is dated 31st October 2005 |
| 06:18.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Oooh, didn't notice the sun come up |
| 06:18.17 | Sky2042 | lol! |
| 06:18.22 | Sky2042 | silly europeans :p |
| 06:18.27 | Kirkburn|afk | IN WOW, obviously :P |
| 06:18.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Bet they must have enjoyed the view in the Outlands |
| 06:18.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Took 1 hour for the first person to reach the Netherstorm on my realm |
| 06:24.48 | Bagginsww | kirk have you been awake for 24 hours? |
| 06:25.42 | Bagginsww | well I meant almost all day |
| 06:26.11 | Bagginsww | hmm hobinhemi those infernals appear glitched to me for some reason |
| 06:26.16 | Bagginsww | coming off as blue background |
| 06:27.38 | Sky2042 | the infernal on the right looks fine |
| 06:27.48 | Sky2042 | i don't like the look on the left though :/ |
| 06:28.13 | Bagginsww | one of hte left is covenrg hte woowiki name for me |
| 06:28.17 | Sky2042 | same |
| 06:28.27 | Bagginsww | both appear glitched for some reason |
| 06:28.30 | Bagginsww | not sure why |
| 06:28.41 | Sky2042 | why would the right appear glitched? It looks perfect to me |
| 06:28.47 | Bagginsww | I mean its blue |
| 06:28.52 | Bagginsww | transparency isn't working right |
| 06:28.57 | Bagginsww | probably settings |
| 06:28.59 | Bagginsww | on this comptuer |
| 06:29.17 | Sky2042 | it looks the usual colors to me, so it prolly is the comp |
| 06:29.26 | Sky2042 | neon fire and grey rock |
| 06:30.11 | Bagginsww | anyone know how to turn on transparency? |
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| 06:30.28 | EightbitfuryX | uhh hey guys o_O |
| 06:30.47 | EightbitfuryX | is there any place to download the patch required by burning crusade other than the torrent thing? |
| 06:30.50 | EightbitfuryX | cause its not working for me :9 |
| 06:31.48 | Sky2042 | gl finding one right now, unless blizz pre-released the patch to mirror sites |
| 06:32.19 | Bagginsww | hmm looking into its apparently a glitch in png graphics and microfsoft enternet explorer |
| 06:32.26 | Bagginsww | *internet |
| 06:32.37 | Bagginsww | not sure if there is a way to get around it |
| 06:33.21 | Sky2042 | yeah... its not just ie. im getting the glitch in ff ;( |
| 06:33.28 | Sky2042 | oh, nvm |
| 06:33.35 | Sky2042 | ill go away :9 |
| 06:33.44 | Sky2042 | wrong glitch ;( |
| 06:34.21 | Bagginsww | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pngtest.htm |
| 06:34.25 | Bagginsww | that talks about it |
| 06:34.30 | EightbitfuryX | lemme know if you find a patch mirror |
| 06:34.41 | EightbitfuryX | im anxious to make ma blood elf mage.. |
| 06:34.50 | EightbitfuryX | which sound beefy as hell from a pvp point of view. |
| 06:34.54 | Bagginsww | going the blood knight route |
| 06:35.05 | Sky2042 | ... aoe silence is op ;( |
| 06:35.13 | EightbitfuryX | makin a dranei pally too |
| 06:35.23 | Bagginsww | only thing is I"m not using IE 6 :p |
| 06:35.24 | EightbitfuryX | i'll be my first alliance character XD |
| 06:35.38 | Sky2042 | lern2ie7 or ff2.0, nublet! |
| 06:35.46 | Sky2042 | :p |
| 06:36.05 | Bagginsww | but I have Ie7 LOL |
| 06:36.25 | Sky2042 | qq. then whytf would u be using ie6? xD |
| 06:36.48 | Sky2042 | oh |
| 06:36.54 | Sky2042 | i read that wrong -_- |
| 06:36.57 | Bagginsww | hmm somehow its reverted... |
| 06:37.14 | Bagginsww | I was using ie7 but some reason it reveted back to 6 |
| 06:37.17 | Bagginsww | ok reinstalling |
| 06:37.46 | Sky2042 | ok, question: is this page appropriate?: http://www.wowwiki.com/Norganna |
| 06:38.23 | Bagginsww | so weird |
| 06:39.05 | Bagginsww | too much of a stub imo |
| 06:39.13 | Bagginsww | no background info etc |
| 06:39.23 | Bagginsww | about as bad as player or guild stubs :p |
| 06:40.41 | Hobinheim | still haven't thought of a pally name |
| 06:41.06 | Sky2042 | -ThisisyourgenericBEPld- :P |
| 06:41.16 | Sky2042 | edit* have to have female in that |
| 06:41.22 | Sky2042 | ;p |
| 06:41.42 | Bagginsww | all I know is I have grueslayer saved on my server for a draenei character |
| 06:41.53 | Bagginsww | not sure what class I will use yet though |
| 06:42.05 | Bagginsww | thinking warrior or shaman |
| 06:43.09 | EightbitfuryX | this is bothering me |
| 06:43.11 | EightbitfuryX | i wanna play >_, |
| 06:43.15 | EightbitfuryX | anyone find a mirror yet? |
| 06:44.17 | Hobinheim | yay who didn't delete their patches! |
| 06:45.25 | EightbitfuryX | i didnt .. |
| 06:45.26 | EightbitfuryX | wait |
| 06:45.34 | EightbitfuryX | you just need to repach with 2.0.3? |
| 06:45.39 | EightbitfuryX | ??? |
| 06:45.52 | Sky2042 | i didn't delete mine... but i haven't patched since 2.0.1 >.> |
| 06:46.04 | Hobinheim | just... let the installer do its thing |
| 06:46.10 | Hobinheim | i don't know why people are so uppity about patches |
| 06:46.12 | Hobinheim | just let it go |
| 06:46.13 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:46.20 | Hobinheim | seriously. |
| 06:46.26 | Sky2042 | when your firewall or whatnot won't let it go... ;( |
| 06:46.28 | Hobinheim | all the grief that one could potentially give himself |
| 06:46.33 | Hobinheim | including a keylogger or virus |
| 06:47.00 | EightbitfuryX | um |
| 06:47.07 | EightbitfuryX | so seriously |
| 06:47.12 | EightbitfuryX | all i gotta do is download the 2.0.3 patch again? |
| 06:48.06 | *** join/#wowwiki Apollozeus (n=neogeo-x@ip51cf1265.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 06:48.14 | EightbitfuryX | >_< |
| 06:48.14 | Hobinheim | just sign on |
| 06:48.19 | Hobinheim | just. sign. on. |
| 06:48.22 | EightbitfuryX | the torrent thing doesnt work for me! |
| 06:48.30 | Hobinheim | it should default to http after a while |
| 06:48.33 | Apollozeus | naw my god |
| 06:48.39 | Hobinheim | or why don't you open up your ports? |
| 06:48.41 | Apollozeus | another murloc pet |
| 06:48.43 | EightbitfuryX | i dont know how... |
| 06:48.48 | Hobinheim | it has instructions |
| 06:48.48 | EightbitfuryX | I JUST WANNA PLAY DAMNIT |
| 06:48.51 | Hobinheim | =) |
| 06:48.56 | Hobinheim | do you know if you have a router? |
| 06:48.58 | EightbitfuryX | TELL ME WHAT THE VERSION NUMBER IS @_@ |
| 06:49.02 | EightbitfuryX | i have a router -_-; |
| 06:49.07 | Hobinheim | yes, download 2.0.3 |
| 06:49.10 | EightbitfuryX | thank you |
| 06:49.13 | Hobinheim | sheesh |
| 06:49.17 | EightbitfuryX | now i shall go and download 2.0.3 |
| 06:49.21 | Hobinheim | godspeed |
| 06:51.31 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:52.16 | Sky2042 | hmm... you happen to know of a server page that looks pretty? :o |
| 06:54.14 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 06:54.21 | Apollozeus | infernals on the main pge |
| 06:54.30 | Apollozeus | page* |
| 06:54.58 | Hobinheim | Sky2042, someone mentioned one in village pump |
| 06:55.23 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Mal%27Ganis_US |
| 06:55.43 | Apollozeus | that's over the top IMO |
| 06:55.48 | Hobinheim | who tf is auchindon |
| 06:56.28 | Sky2042 | yeah... i thought about Mal'ganis, but then i agreed with apollo ;( |
| 06:56.49 | Hobinheim | it is over the top.. but still nice looking |
| 06:57.06 | Hobinheim | in other news i changed my forum icon and it was well-received! |
| 06:57.12 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-110-85.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
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| 06:57.16 | Hobinheim | still need a name tho |
| 06:57.17 | Adys | cool mainpage hob |
| 06:57.44 | Hobinheim | thanks |
| 06:57.55 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm just moving away from the text a bit |
| 06:58.03 | Hobinheim | i thought if we could have a drunken new years, we could at least have a legion invasion... |
| 06:58.05 | Adys | mm bit too much kirk imo |
| 06:58.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Bit too much what? |
| 06:58.22 | Adys | the infernal hideing under the navbox doesnt look good |
| 06:58.23 | Kirkburn|afk | We cannot have them covering up the links |
| 06:58.28 | Hobinheim | if anything, i recommend doing something with the left infernal |
| 06:58.31 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Apollozeus/Realm_template |
| 06:58.32 | Adys | ah true |
| 06:58.32 | Hobinheim | but the right one i really like |
| 06:58.35 | Hobinheim | he's special =) |
| 06:58.36 | Apollozeus | what do you guys think about that? |
| 06:58.56 | Hobinheim | uhh it looks like a racebox |
| 06:59.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Nice, but NO to number of players |
| 06:59.15 | Adys | indeed |
| 06:59.19 | Apollozeus | k |
| 06:59.20 | Hobinheim | uhh... |
| 06:59.21 | Hobinheim | i guess. |
| 06:59.23 | Hobinheim | hmm |
| 06:59.30 | Hobinheim | if we could find nice icons for PvP, PvE, and RP |
| 06:59.34 | Hobinheim | something iconic |
| 06:59.37 | Hobinheim | hmm.... |
| 06:59.45 | Apollozeus | why, hobinheam? |
| 06:59.49 | Kirkburn|afk | How about if the infernal goes over the wiki icon? |
| 06:59.51 | Apollozeus | heim* |
| 07:00.00 | Kirkburn|afk | It won't affect the link |
| 07:00.04 | Apollozeus | we're not trying to pimp pages |
| 07:00.13 | Apollozeus | we're just trying to give as much information as possible |
| 07:01.52 | Adys | moved the right infernal a bit more - its not covering links and it was biggering the page in 1280 |
| 07:01.59 | Hobinheim | well, badges to readily identify realm types is giving information |
| 07:02.27 | Hobinheim | not to say that i'm opposed to helping/change |
| 07:02.30 | Hobinheim | but it looks more silly now =( |
| 07:02.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, the infernal to the right cannot be brought in closer |
| 07:02.33 | Hobinheim | at least on mine |
| 07:02.36 | Hobinheim | it's biggering the page |
| 07:02.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Check lower resolutions, please |
| 07:02.50 | Adys | did |
| 07:03.02 | Adys | mmm |
| 07:03.05 | Apollozeus | the right infernal is still breaking the page D: |
| 07:03.11 | Apollozeus | I'm using 1024x768 btw |
| 07:03.15 | Adys | bring it up top and move the left one down? |
| 07:03.16 | Kirkburn|afk | You mean going off it? |
| 07:03.33 | Hobinheim | yeah the right infernal is permanently like... meh |
| 07:03.38 | Hobinheim | revert the right one |
| 07:03.43 | Hobinheim | lefty will stay hidden like ninja |
| 07:03.43 | Apollozeus | yes, kirk |
| 07:03.48 | Kirkburn|afk | "Revert" it? |
| 07:03.54 | Apollozeus | remove it :/ |
| 07:04.00 | Hobinheim | !/sniff |
| 07:04.01 | Adys | hmm |
| 07:04.09 | Hobinheim | the burning legion is a complete failure |
| 07:04.11 | Adys | how about bringing the right one under the search link |
| 07:04.11 | Apollozeus | nice idea, but it screws up the page |
| 07:04.18 | Apollozeus | the left one can stay though :p |
| 07:04.19 | Adys | it wont affect any link |
| 07:04.32 | Hobinheim | he's so like.. easter egg though |
| 07:04.37 | Hobinheim | i was going to put a HUGE illidan on the front page |
| 07:04.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, further down for the right one? |
| 07:04.46 | Kirkburn|afk | It should fit with the policy section |
| 07:04.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Or yeah |
| 07:05.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys' idea is good |
| 07:05.05 | Hobinheim | i agree with pumping righty up below search |
| 07:05.26 | Hobinheim | and don't make his positioning permanently induce scrolling =/ |
| 07:06.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Now? |
| 07:06.08 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev |
| 07:06.15 | Adys | err, what did you do to the left one :p |
| 07:06.28 | Zeal | Apollozeus, template, die. (i'm currently rreading over what i've missed..) |
| 07:06.37 | Adys | (soz for borrowing your devpage btw kirk=P) |
| 07:06.43 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 07:06.56 | Kirkburn|afk | What did I do to the left one? |
| 07:07.03 | Adys | no idea |
| 07:07.04 | Kirkburn|afk | I stopped it covering up links :) |
| 07:07.05 | Apollozeus | the right one still moves off the page there adys |
| 07:07.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, it'll have to move off the page if it's gonna fit |
| 07:07.26 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 07:07.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, what's wrong with that? :) |
| 07:07.33 | Adys | mm, can do it slightly more |
| 07:07.33 | Apollozeus | we can remove that puff of smoke on the right |
| 07:07.39 | Apollozeus | then it will fit |
| 07:07.42 | Adys | kirk: it looks bad with the logo at least on my screen |
| 07:07.46 | Adys | aye what apollo said |
| 07:07.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Here's an idea |
| 07:07.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Reduce the image size! |
| 07:08.05 | Hobinheim | KIRK'S NERFING INFERNALS |
| 07:08.10 | Adys | lol |
| 07:08.15 | Apollozeus | kirk, notice the green smoke in the upper right corner? |
| 07:08.17 | Apollozeus | nerf that :p |
| 07:08.21 | Zeal | shame z-index: is only on position: absolute (iirc) |
| 07:08.32 | Kirkburn|afk | no? |
| 07:08.37 | Hobinheim | such a big hullabahoo over my little surprise |
| 07:08.46 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 07:09.09 | Hobinheim | i think lefty should be in more |
| 07:09.12 | Kirkburn|afk | You should've dev paged it first tbh |
| 07:09.16 | Hobinheim | almost touching the wowwiki loog |
| 07:09.23 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn|afk... good point |
| 07:09.27 | Hobinheim | the idea didn't even like.. |
| 07:09.32 | Hobinheim | it was supposed to be simple =P |
| 07:09.38 | Hobinheim | and a surprise. |
| 07:09.56 | Hobinheim | apologies. next time there's an invasion... i'll be sure to dev it out |
| 07:09.56 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 07:10.03 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev |
| 07:10.05 | Hobinheim | huge pictures of saph's cousins all over the nav bars |
| 07:10.06 | Adys | how bout now? |
| 07:10.11 | Hobinheim | WELCOME TO NORTHREND |
| 07:10.29 | Hobinheim | btw i talked to some kids online at the game store |
| 07:10.44 | Hobinheim | it was a mix of "i check lore" and "i check strats" |
| 07:10.49 | Hobinheim | and we all got free passes to alla |
| 07:11.00 | Hobinheim | i think i'm going to use the alla pass for some espionage |
| 07:11.03 | Hobinheim | write down a feature list |
| 07:11.12 | Hobinheim | and then we can go ahead and implement free versions of those |
| 07:11.21 | Hobinheim | one kid also noted that thottbot was better for beta information |
| 07:12.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, the left infernal completely covers the logo! |
| 07:12.26 | Adys | oO? |
| 07:12.26 | Apollozeus | beta information? |
| 07:12.26 | Hobinheim | and that he was curious if we had a data mining mechanism set up |
| 07:12.26 | Adys | does it? |
| 07:12.26 | Apollozeus | there's no need for beta info anymore |
| 07:12.26 | Hobinheim | i told him that it was in the works and we're looking into it |
| 07:12.26 | Apollozeus | we want real info D: |
| 07:12.26 | Hobinheim | Apollozeus, BC stuff, durr |
| 07:12.26 | Apollozeus | no hobin |
| 07:12.26 | Hobinheim | the infernals aren't moving on my screen =( |
| 07:12.26 | Adys | aaah the wowwiki text you mean? |
| 07:12.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Moving?? |
| 07:12.27 | Apollozeus | it's the 16th today :p |
| 07:12.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, yeah |
| 07:12.31 | Adys | well doesnt look too bad ^^ |
| 07:12.31 | Hobinheim | get rid of righty's puff of smoke on the dev copy |
| 07:12.31 | Hobinheim | and you got it |
| 07:12.41 | Adys | imho its better covering the text than the W logo |
| 07:12.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I disagree :) |
| 07:13.01 | Adys | hmm |
| 07:13.10 | Adys | is it poss to make the wowwiki go over the infernal? |
| 07:13.12 | Kirkburn|afk | I'd rather partially cover the icon than the name of the website |
| 07:13.14 | Adys | im an html noob, sorry |
| 07:13.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope, unfortunately |
| 07:13.24 | Adys | :( |
| 07:13.43 | Adys | how about the right one? |
| 07:13.51 | Hobinheim | it's not an html problem, it's a wiki problem |
| 07:14.03 | Hobinheim | mediawiki uses a subset of html so not all tricks are possible |
| 07:14.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Again, v close in |
| 07:14.20 | Hobinheim | oh glory be login |
| 07:14.29 | Hobinheim | feh still need a name |
| 07:14.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, problem is, I don't want people on low resolutions suddenly finding half their screen is now infernals |
| 07:15.01 | Kirkburn|afk | :P |
| 07:15.12 | Adys | hmm tbh with lower res the actual positions are already screwing up |
| 07:15.33 | Adys | at least for me |
| 07:15.38 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn|afk, it's a price we have to pay |
| 07:15.44 | Hobinheim | inferals don't care |
| 07:15.47 | Sky2042 | random question: are all the links gonna be green now? :O |
| 07:15.50 | Hobinheim | there will be casualties |
| 07:15.52 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:15.52 | Kirkburn|afk | lol, not if I can help it |
| 07:16.07 | Adys | lol hob |
| 07:16.31 | Hobinheim | man i'm going to be stuck at character select for hours... |
| 07:16.34 | Apollozeus | lol Sky2042 |
| 07:16.36 | Apollozeus | imagine that |
| 07:16.42 | Apollozeus | rather ugly huh :p |
| 07:16.58 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: the right infernal is screwing up in all res, including 1280x1024 which is the most used - at least it doesnt in the latter |
| 07:17.01 | Sky2042 | the right infernal's over the -article- link in the little intro next to the name on my screen... ;( |
| 07:17.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, what browser? |
| 07:17.18 | Adys | FF2.0 |
| 07:17.26 | Kirkburn|afk | And what do you mean by screwing up? |
| 07:17.34 | Adys | it enlarges the page |
| 07:17.43 | Adys | and make the centering look ugly |
| 07:18.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Uh, you've got an odd copy of FF2 |
| 07:18.08 | Kirkburn|afk | On mine it just adds a scrollbar |
| 07:18.21 | Adys | same |
| 07:18.30 | Adys | and it uncenters the page =P |
| 07:18.47 | Kirkburn|afk | It's fine here |
| 07:18.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Totally centred |
| 07:19.06 | Kirkburn|afk | (assuming you don't scroll right for no apparent reason) |
| 07:19.31 | Zeal | <@Hobinheim> mediawiki uses a subset of html so not all tricks are possible <-- huh? |
| 07:19.31 | Hobinheim | need. gay. name. for. blood. knight. |
| 07:19.53 | Zeal | for me, the infernals are fine, but for those at lower re, the right one is surely a problem. |
| 07:19.53 | Hobinheim | huh what. mediawiki renders only a subset of all possible html |
| 07:20.02 | Zeal | *rez |
| 07:20.08 | Zeal | no? |
| 07:20.15 | Hobinheim | INFERNALS WILL EAT YOU UNLESS YOUR RESIST IS > 1024 x 768 |
| 07:20.18 | Zeal | oh i see what you mean |
| 07:20.30 | Sky2042 | lol hob |
| 07:20.36 | Zeal | either way, it would make no difference for what you're attempting |
| 07:20.43 | Hobinheim | man you guys have no sense of destruction |
| 07:20.44 | Sky2042 | im rofling here hob |
| 07:20.48 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 07:20.51 | Zeal | and it's XHTML, pfft ;) |
| 07:21.39 | Zeal | it was fun Hobinheim, jsut not practical for more than a few mins :P |
| 07:22.32 | Zeal | hate when you can't think of a word.. |
| 07:22.51 | Hobinheim | i was only satisfied with two names i've ever come up with |
| 07:22.55 | Hobinheim | hob being one of them |
| 07:22.56 | Hobinheim | i need a third epic name |
| 07:23.06 | Hobinheim | cuz the rest were just trash alts |
| 07:23.06 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev |
| 07:23.08 | Adys | how about now? |
| 07:23.14 | Adys | i uploaded a new infernal3.png |
| 07:23.17 | Adys | slightly smaller |
| 07:24.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, you got rid of the wisp |
| 07:24.37 | Zeal | covers wiki introduction |
| 07:24.52 | Zeal | as right one fails tbh, no way around it. |
| 07:25.04 | Adys | do you play in 640x480 zeal >< |
| 07:25.06 | Hobinheim | changed it |
| 07:25.11 | Kirkburn|afk | How about resizing it down a bit more too Adys? |
| 07:25.12 | Zeal | no adys, lol. |
| 07:25.15 | Hobinheim | how about now |
| 07:25.26 | Zeal | i just size my browser to check these things |
| 07:25.28 | Adys | mm lemme check |
| 07:25.40 | Hobinheim | i see what's happening |
| 07:25.43 | Adys | yea zeal but to cover the wiki intro I need to go really small |
| 07:25.44 | Hobinheim | the things flex a lot |
| 07:25.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh people - stop covering the text! |
| 07:25.52 | Hobinheim | ok we'll never be satisfied |
| 07:25.56 | Hobinheim | forgget it |
| 07:25.59 | Hobinheim | i say scrap the inferals |
| 07:26.01 | Zeal | leave the left one, hes fine |
| 07:26.02 | Hobinheim | cuz we're getting no where |
| 07:26.03 | Sky2042 | aw! |
| 07:26.09 | Hobinheim | either people get eaten alive or they don't |
| 07:26.13 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:26.15 | Adys | lol |
| 07:26.19 | Hobinheim | seriously. |
| 07:26.39 | Kirkburn|afk | The left, yeah, seems fine, but if the right one is about 2/3 the size, it should work too |
| 07:26.54 | Zeal | can't wait to finish my main page dev, then i can add this sorta stuff with conditionals :P |
| 07:28.09 | Hobinheim | ps feel free to actual overwrite or delete the infernal files |
| 07:28.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I shall fiddle now |
| 07:28.33 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Dev |
| 07:28.34 | Adys | scaled down |
| 07:28.39 | Adys | hows it now? |
| 07:29.03 | Zeal | wtf @ left one |
| 07:29.04 | Zeal | nooo |
| 07:29.08 | Hobinheim | if the left one is covering the logo on my screen |
| 07:29.16 | Hobinheim | wait nevermind i have the window scaled down |
| 07:29.18 | Zeal | keep it within the fixed space of the side bar |
| 07:29.19 | Hobinheim | forget i said anything |
| 07:29.23 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 07:29.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, better :) |
| 07:29.31 | Kirkburn|afk | (the right one) |
| 07:29.45 | Hobinheim | now they look wimpy |
| 07:29.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Shall replace on main page now |
| 07:29.49 | Hobinheim | what kind of invasion is this |
| 07:29.51 | Zeal | nope, right still covered wiki intro |
| 07:30.00 | Zeal | at thats before 1024 |
| 07:30.12 | Hobinheim | Demonic Invasion Lite (tm) |
| 07:30.16 | Adys | LoL |
| 07:30.18 | Hobinheim | same great fel taste, less filling! |
| 07:30.53 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page changed it to Dev page |
| 07:32.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, let's stop this edit war now |
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| 07:32.49 | Sky2042 | hmmm |
| 07:32.53 | Kirkburn|afk | I will tell you all this now - the main page is NOT for fancy graphics and crazy ideas |
| 07:33.01 | Kirkburn|afk | If you have one, bring it up first |
| 07:33.06 | Zeal | lol |
| 07:33.13 | Sky2042 | Kirk's goin on the warpath! |
| 07:33.17 | Kirkburn|afk | The infernals are cool, but you must talk about it first |
| 07:33.25 | Hobinheim | INVASIONS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SURPISED |
| 07:33.31 | Hobinheim | duly noted for next time tho |
| 07:33.37 | Hobinheim | northerned, etc |
| 07:33.39 | Adys | infobot, do your job |
| 07:33.52 | infobot | ACTION does your job. |
| 07:33.52 | Hobinheim | infobot, give me a damn name |
| 07:33.55 | infobot | ACTION gives a damn name to hobinheim |
| 07:33.55 | Adys | .. silly bot |
| 07:33.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool idea, but really - not something so big please :P |
| 07:34.04 | Zeal | wtf? at theron |
| 07:34.06 | Zeal | rofl |
| 07:34.27 | Hobinheim | (if the invasion was done properly, you would have been critted by Shock and Awe) |
| 07:34.29 | Adys | sup with theron again? |
| 07:34.52 | Hobinheim | i can't get the syllabal kael out of my head |
| 07:35.58 | Zeal | oh, him editing his reply to me on the knight talk page |
| 07:36.27 | Zeal | was funny what he added thne removed and how it made no difference. |
| 07:40.05 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys |
| 07:40.13 | Adys | dont you love the quote of the day ^^ |
| 07:42.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Replied: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Knight |
| 07:46.19 | Adys | Woot, BC postman is here |
| 07:49.22 | Sky2042 | lol kirk |
| 07:49.29 | Sky2042 | some ppl just dont get it ;p |
| 07:50.15 | Adys | NOOOOOOOOO |
| 07:50.28 | Adys | They gave me the outland mousepad in french ARGH |
| 07:50.48 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 07:50.50 | Sky2042 | OWNED |
| 07:52.05 | Adys | %!@#hats, i need to install the french version now too >.> |
| 07:52.09 | Adys | ELP time.. |
| 07:52.32 | Apollozeus | french? |
| 07:52.44 | Adys | ya |
| 07:52.45 | Apollozeus | but...you're french right? |
| 07:52.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Must be awful for you :P |
| 07:52.50 | Adys | yes and? :p |
| 07:52.51 | Apollozeus | D: so what's the problem? |
| 07:53.02 | Adys | the problem is blizzard fucking translated names like stormwind |
| 07:53.04 | Adys | southshore |
| 07:53.07 | Adys | badlands |
| 07:53.09 | Adys | ironforge |
| 07:53.12 | Adys | thunderbluff |
| 07:53.16 | Adys | lightbringer |
| 07:53.17 | Sky2042 | ouch |
| 07:53.22 | Apollozeus | you can download the english version, right? |
| 07:53.26 | Adys | ya |
| 07:53.31 | Adys | european language pack |
| 07:53.35 | Apollozeus | just use your french key :p |
| 07:53.38 | Adys | takes ages tho |
| 07:54.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Woo, revered with Gnomereagan |
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| 07:54.27 | Apollozeus | enjoy your mechanostrider, kirk :p |
| 07:54.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Not exalted :P |
| 07:54.38 | Apollozeus | err |
| 07:54.49 | Apollozeus | >_< I keep mixing those two |
| 07:56.21 | Apollozeus | takes ago? how big is that language pack? |
| 07:56.33 | Adys | bout 3gb |
| 07:57.12 | Apollozeus | o.O |
| 07:57.20 | Adys | translated sounds, images etc |
| 07:57.29 | Apollozeus | awefully big, indeed |
| 07:57.42 | Apollozeus | anyway |
| 07:57.53 | Apollozeus | Blizzard has introduced yet another murloc pet |
| 07:57.54 | Adys | what i originally did is install the english version from packing up mpqs from the ELP |
| 07:57.59 | Apollozeus | 'Lurky'.. :/ |
| 08:00.04 | Adys | LOL |
| 08:00.13 | Adys | my computer has over 80gb of wow related data |
| 08:00.19 | Kirkburn|afk | woah |
| 08:00.26 | Apollozeus | what the fuck |
| 08:00.30 | Adys | 50gb of archives, 7gb of friends and family alpha |
| 08:00.36 | Apollozeus | did you install the german, spanish and korean versions as well? |
| 08:00.37 | Apollozeus | o.O |
| 08:00.44 | Adys | 7gb of closed beta, 4 gb of original alpha |
| 08:01.12 | Apollozeus | no open beta? :p |
| 08:01.13 | Adys | 6gb of unconverted screenshots and rests are various tweaks and models remade |
| 08:01.21 | Adys | thats the same client apollo |
| 08:01.31 | Hobinheim | "Javaelon" |
| 08:01.32 | Hobinheim | booyah |
| 08:01.56 | Hobinheim | modified after my friend's last name |
| 08:02.21 | Apollozeus | that's the name of your new character? |
| 08:06.27 | Adys | wow |
| 08:06.32 | Adys | the art of warcraft book is awesome |
| 08:07.18 | Kirkburn|afk | You taunt me so! |
| 08:07.24 | Adys | :) |
| 08:07.34 | Adys | didnt manage to get the first collector edition =/ |
| 08:07.40 | Adys | so its my little cheerup |
| 08:08.32 | Hobinheim | Apollozeus, yeah |
| 08:10.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I hate when people don't think when they edit the wiki - someone edited the TBC page to say it was released at 0:01 EST in the US and EU |
| 08:10.22 | Kirkburn|afk | He really thought internationally there, eh :/ |
| 08:13.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, proper afk now |
| 08:14.43 | Apollozeus | gotta hate the people who think wow is all about america |
| 08:14.55 | Hobinheim | AMERICA AMERICA AMERICA |
| 08:15.49 | Adys | Horde lolz |
| 08:16.58 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 08:17.02 | Sky2042 | that wasn't me! |
| 08:17.06 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 08:17.21 | Apollozeus | yeah, horde lolz indeed |
| 08:18.02 | Apollozeus | blood elf is going to be the most popular horde race |
| 08:22.21 | Zeal | indeed, we got it before them, woot, lol. |
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| 08:23.02 | Adys | to be honest |
| 08:23.07 | Adys | I gotta admit blizzard impresses me |
| 08:23.12 | Adys | account page is still up and fast |
| 08:23.15 | Adys | no lag in outland |
| 08:23.24 | Adys | no real race to camp mob spawns |
| 08:23.38 | Adys | only 15 mins downtime this afternoon at 0.00 |
| 08:23.46 | Adys | s/afternoon/evening |
| 08:23.50 | Adys | w/e |
| 08:25.39 | Zeal | well it started off poorly with the EU CE pet screw up, the previous 2.0.5 fiasco, and the upgrade page screw up. but it's been pretty quick to sort and the servers sound fine |
| 08:25.58 | Zeal | so.. its definite EU get Gurky? |
| 08:26.04 | Apollozeus | no |
| 08:26.07 | Apollozeus | Lurky |
| 08:26.08 | Apollozeus | :/ |
| 08:26.32 | Adys | Well zeal they still impress me compared to for example AQ40 opening event and permanent 30 seconds lag during 10 hours |
| 08:26.42 | Adys | one or two hours downtime on a low pop servers |
| 08:26.57 | Adys | the original retail, up to a week to get the page to "work" |
| 08:27.30 | Apollozeus | it turns out even blizzard draws conclusions from past experiences |
| 08:27.32 | Adys | I mean, at half past midnight there were already 100+ ppl in hellfire and levelling without lag on my serbv |
| 08:27.32 | Apollozeus | ;) |
| 08:27.42 | Zeal | wait.. we get Lurky? |
| 08:27.44 | Zeal | how...? |
| 08:27.49 | Adys | but still ! |
| 08:27.50 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/16january2006-00.05.jpg |
| 08:27.56 | Adys | zeal: no idea, but gurky is a contest |
| 08:28.01 | Zeal | reading the redemption, no one would have it yet. |
| 08:28.20 | Apollozeus | Zeal, hang on |
| 08:28.20 | Zeal | and the redemption says you will get a netherwhelp |
| 08:28.21 | Zeal | :S |
| 08:28.26 | Apollozeus | you will get both |
| 08:28.35 | Apollozeus | I'll pass you the link |
| 08:28.39 | Zeal | oh sorry |
| 08:28.43 | Zeal | ifnore me, i skimmed |
| 08:28.48 | Zeal | get Lurky for now |
| 08:29.08 | Zeal | and 2 free days |
| 08:29.09 | Zeal | pwn |
| 08:29.16 | Apollozeus | yup |
| 08:29.19 | Zeal | they could have made the important info bold >_>; |
| 08:30.31 | Zeal | so is the wow site page removal temp or perm? |
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| 08:31.11 | Zeal | if temp, lame, if perm, hurry up and do a new one. |
| 08:31.30 | Apollozeus | I hope it's permanent |
| 08:31.38 | Apollozeus | the old site was too damn heavy |
| 08:32.03 | Zeal | and i don't beleive XML+XLS was really needed |
| 08:32.14 | Apollozeus | neither do I |
| 08:32.21 | Apollozeus | html and/or php was good enough |
| 08:32.54 | Apollozeus | but oh well |
| 08:33.04 | Apollozeus | they're wasting their own bandwidth with their fancy website :) |
| 08:33.23 | Zeal | perhaps they come up with the xml implementation that saved a lot of overhead with the traffic it gets |
| 08:33.29 | Zeal | *came up |
| 08:33.34 | Zeal | *with an |
| 08:34.05 | Apollozeus | w/e it is |
| 08:34.15 | Apollozeus | all the more reason to use wowwiki.com ;) |
| 08:34.49 | Hobinheim | wowwiki |
| 08:34.50 | Hobinheim | can't save |
| 08:34.53 | Hobinheim | errors... |
| 08:36.27 | Adys | first install is over from the 4 cds... |
| 08:36.34 | Adys | now downloading 1.12 update |
| 08:39.13 | Zeal | table text is full sql error? :S |
| 08:39.17 | Adys | Database error |
| 08:39.17 | Adys | From WoWWiki |
| 08:39.17 | Adys | Jump to: navigation, search |
| 08:39.17 | Adys | A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: |
| 08:39.17 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.19 | Adys | from within function "Revision::insertOn". MySQL returned error "1114: The table 'text' is full (localhost)". |
| 08:39.29 | Adys | aka "got the same problem" |
| 08:39.49 | Zeal | : / |
| 08:39.51 | Adys | vlad_ ? |
| 08:39.51 | Zeal | i see |
| 08:41.44 | Zeal | "All [[World of Warcraft]] or [[Warcraft]] art, images, and lore are the property of [Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. and used by permission." is that true? :S |
| 08:41.58 | Zeal | and you left a "[" |
| 08:42.01 | Adys | dont know, im not doing the texts, im just styling up |
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| 08:43.09 | vlad_ | what the hell is that |
| 08:43.23 | Zeal | a big problem.. lol |
| 08:43.29 | Adys | im getting it when trying to send up an edit |
| 08:43.37 | vlad_ | hold on |
| 08:43.39 | Zeal | we all are : / |
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| 08:43.44 | vlad_ | oh ffs |
| 08:44.18 | Zeal | Adys, you were the last person to edit, i say we blame you :P |
| 08:44.24 | Adys | >< |
| 08:44.29 | Zeal | hehe |
| 08:44.47 | Adys | hit on the frenchy while you still can, boy |
| 08:44.59 | Zeal | lol |
| 08:45.18 | Zeal | that could be taken wrong :p |
| 08:45.26 | Adys | installing patch 1.12 now >.> |
| 08:45.32 | Zeal | lol |
| 08:45.38 | Q_Continuum | Adys: upgrading to TBC? |
| 08:45.43 | Adys | "Ecriture des données des textures dans 'patch.MPQ'" yawn |
| 08:45.59 | Adys | ya Q_Continuum, but got the french BC version so need to install the french client |
| 08:46.07 | vlad_ | Trying a fix now, please hold. |
| 08:46.13 | Zeal | kk |
| 08:46.17 | Q_Continuum | On that note - I just did a 1.0.0 install (buddy had a release one, my CDs were from the next batch) then installed TBC and it patched it straight to 2.0.0 |
| 08:46.17 | Adys | so I need to get out the cds of the original french version |
| 08:46.21 | vlad_ | <insert hold music here> |
| 08:46.22 | Q_Continuum | No need to patch at all |
| 08:46.28 | Adys | ya but cba =P |
| 08:46.40 | vlad_ | good thing I was still awake |
| 08:46.42 | vlad_ | instead of sleeping |
| 08:46.45 | vlad_ | like I should be |
| 08:46.48 | Adys | heh |
| 08:46.50 | vlad_ | do dee doo |
| 08:46.57 | vlad_ | this might take a minute or two |
| 08:46.57 | Adys | where do you live vlad_? Europe? |
| 08:47.01 | vlad_ | california |
| 08:47.07 | Adys | ah |
| 08:47.19 | vlad_ | if I was in europe I should be waking up right about now! |
| 08:47.24 | Q_Continuum | Heh |
| 08:47.25 | Adys | its 10am here yeah |
| 08:47.37 | Adys | good thing I was awake and not sleeping like i do every day, Id have missed the postman! |
| 08:47.47 | Q_Continuum | Sometime later today I'll finish mirroring the 1.0.0 installer on my storage server, w00t... |
| 08:48.58 | Q_Continuum | Easy to make your own installation "DVD" from the CD set too, just copy all of the Installer Tome.mpq files to a single directory. BTW - is there an article on installation or optimizing an install in any way? *Couldn't find one, was going to write one* |
| 08:49.23 | Apollozeus | I don't recall there to be one |
| 08:50.10 | Q_Continuum | For example I've made my own install DVD with current patch (Could be burned, currently is just a folder on my storage drive) and its rather simple, but most people aren't aware of it. |
| 08:50.56 | Q_Continuum | I also don't understand why Blizzard continues to: 1) Update the installation sets, when you usually have more than 1 patch to install, and thus need the current uber-patch and 2) Why you STILL have to buy the Collector's Edition (or Trial!) to get a DVD. |
| 08:51.14 | Q_Continuum | Odd that the Trial at $1.99 comes with a DVD, but the Full Game at $19.99 only comes on CD... |
| 08:51.16 | vlad_ | wonder how long this alter table will take |
| 08:51.32 | Q_Continuum | forever. |
| 08:52.05 | vlad_ | well, you jest, but |
| 08:52.43 | vlad_ | I need to bounce the web server, one sec |
| 08:53.11 | vlad_ | there we go |
| 08:53.20 | vlad_ | had to make sure that my mysql command could grab the table :p |
| 08:54.04 | vlad_ | > And you'll need to wait. That ALTER TABLE is going to take some time. Really. |
| 08:54.19 | Q_Continuum | Oh, before we do anything with the site? |
| 08:54.40 | Adys | LOL Zeal |
| 08:54.50 | Zeal | :p |
| 08:55.35 | Q_Continuum | Hmmm...the current big install downloader (straight from Blizzard) for the trial comes in at 3.16GB - I wonder if it includes the expansion...Original game = 2.5GB, expansion 2.0GB (US install size, without any extra patch files) |
| 08:55.54 | Adys | 6gb for full patch 2.0 downloader :| |
| 08:56.01 | Adys | err.... |
| 08:56.03 | Adys | 700 mb sorry |
| 08:56.10 | Adys | 698 actually |
| 08:56.12 | Apollozeus | the trial will probably not include the expansion...not yet |
| 08:56.15 | Adys | but its the french one so its bit bigger |
| 08:56.27 | Apollozeus | not fair to the people who have bought the original game |
| 08:56.27 | Q_Continuum | If you bought the expansion it will patch from 1.0.0 and up - no need to patch first |
| 08:56.38 | vlad_ | I brought the wiki back up, but in read only mode |
| 08:56.46 | Q_Continuum | Is that for 2.0.0, or 1.12->2.0.0? |
| 08:57.08 | Adys | The database is currently locked to new entries and other modifications, probably for routine database maintenance, after which it will be back to normal. |
| 08:57.08 | Adys | The administrator who locked it offered this explanation: 1 |
| 08:57.12 | Adys | 1, uh? :P |
| 08:57.20 | Adys | 1.12-2.0 cont |
| 08:57.20 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 08:57.21 | vlad_ | err |
| 08:57.21 | Zeal | i don't see why the trial would ever be the expansion, but it will continue to get updated along with normal wow. |
| 08:57.23 | Adys | but its the same thing |
| 08:57.35 | Q_Continuum | No, you'd have to be at 1.12 first |
| 08:57.38 | Q_Continuum | So that's two patches. |
| 08:57.40 | Adys | ya |
| 08:57.49 | Q_Continuum | TBC includes all that - as I just proved with my installation test. *shrugs* |
| 08:58.10 | vlad_ | there, there's a messe now :p |
| 08:58.12 | Adys | meh 50% through the download so far |
| 08:58.33 | Zeal | well it would do, TBC is 2.0+, the whole mpq system got rearranged and all existing patches got put into common.mpq |
| 08:58.43 | Adys | ya |
| 08:59.13 | Q_Continuum | Plus if you're installing TBC, you've got to repatch to 2.0.3 and beyond |
| 08:59.45 | Q_Continuum | as TBC boxed set is 2.0.0 - it converts any existing copy to that, at least in the US. (updates were made after the CDs/DVDs were sent to the presses) |
| 08:59.54 | Zeal | beleive the original had to be patched on release too :p |
| 09:00.18 | Q_Continuum | no, TBC takes it *back* |
| 09:00.20 | Zeal | yeah, that makes sense |
| 09:00.24 | Q_Continuum | then you have to patch to the "current" version. Heh. |
| 09:00.30 | Zeal | ofc |
| 09:01.01 | Zeal | further adds to my point TBC was, and isn't ready. |
| 09:01.52 | Zeal | imagien you were back at 2.0.1 on live >_>; that's what they expected people to play with on release. |
| 09:02.04 | Q_Continuum | Yeah. |
| 09:02.35 | Zeal | woot |
| 09:02.37 | Zeal | CE :) |
| 09:02.40 | Zeal | just arrived |
| 09:02.41 | Adys | tbc is ready tbh |
| 09:02.47 | Adys | grats zeal, enjoy =) |
| 09:02.52 | Adys | the box is awesome |
| 09:04.06 | vlad_ | man, they weren't kidding when they said this will take a whie |
| 09:04.07 | vlad_ | er, while |
| 09:04.10 | vlad_ | guess i'm not sleeping for a bit |
| 09:05.04 | Zeal | lol |
| 09:05.11 | Zeal | i should backup my edit then.. |
| 09:06.04 | Zeal | lol@warning reading my mind |
| 09:10.31 | vlad_ | bouncing web server again (not done yet) |
| 09:12.23 | Zeal | why disc 4 in a slip? :s |
| 09:13.57 | vlad_ | reindexing 4gb takes a really long time! |
| 09:14.18 | Zeal | duh ;) |
| 09:14.38 | Adys | zeal: the other pocket can only contain 3 of them |
| 09:14.47 | Adys | and the box is too small to contain a bigger pocket |
| 09:14.51 | Adys | thats what i figured out |
| 09:15.00 | Zeal | fair enough |
| 09:15.09 | Zeal | btw.. these are all CD's.. not DVDs |
| 09:15.11 | Zeal | wtf? |
| 09:15.13 | Adys | no |
| 09:15.15 | Adys | theres a dvd |
| 09:15.22 | Adys | its under the music tracks |
| 09:15.56 | Adys | in a small pocket |
| 09:15.56 | Zeal | DVD for the game though? |
| 09:15.56 | Adys | ya |
| 09:15.56 | Adys | im installing it from the dvd right now |
| 09:16.00 | Zeal | fucking fuck bags.. |
| 09:16.13 | Adys | its in a carton pocket, in the top corner near the card games, under the plastified music tracks |
| 09:16.23 | Zeal | they put the CD's in a dvd case and hide the dvd.. gg |
| 09:16.28 | Adys | ^^ |
| 09:16.39 | Zeal | too late now, disc 2 almost done |
| 09:17.09 | Adys | lol |
| 09:17.20 | Adys | check the art of warcraft book meanwhile |
| 09:17.23 | Adys | fuck, I love it |
| 09:18.27 | Zeal | i willo do |
| 09:18.35 | Zeal | i gotta clean my desc up tbh |
| 09:18.39 | Zeal | *desk |
| 09:19.38 | Apollozeus | lawl @ my newspaper |
| 09:19.44 | Apollozeus | http://telegraaf-i.telegraaf.nl/daily/2007/1/16/TE/TE_2S_20070116_20/TE_2S_20070116_20.jpg |
| 09:19.48 | Apollozeus | red draenei D: |
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| 09:26.17 | vlad_ | wtf is going on |
| 09:26.20 | vlad_ | I don't understand! |
| 09:26.36 | vlad_ | well, ok, I do, I just wish it would go faster |
| 09:26.45 | Adys | the infernals i tell ya !! |
| 09:26.52 | vlad_ | we just did the copy-lots-of-stuff part |
| 09:26.59 | vlad_ | now we're at the do-a-lot-of-thinking part |
| 09:27.12 | Adys | lol |
| 09:29.38 | Adys | yay installation ove |
| 09:29.39 | Adys | r |
| 09:30.41 | Adys | 219 more megabytes to download for fucking minor patches >< |
| 09:30.41 | Adys | QQ |
| 09:31.07 | Adys | and ofc, NOW it goes slow.. |
| 09:32.11 | Adys | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/burningcrusade/activatepet.htm |
| 09:32.13 | Adys | why |
| 09:32.14 | Adys | just why.. |
| 09:33.57 | Zeal | haha, didn;t have to download patches |
| 09:34.12 | Adys | i gotta dl 2.0.1 > 2.0.5 |
| 09:34.23 | Zeal | 2.0.5 i will |
| 09:34.32 | Zeal | but i already had 2.0.3 on my wow |
| 09:34.43 | Adys | so do i |
| 09:34.44 | Zeal | so it found it and updating to it now |
| 09:34.47 | Adys | .. in english :[ |
| 09:34.51 | Zeal | lolz |
| 09:34.53 | Apollozeus | murky gurky lurky |
| 09:35.04 | Zeal | i wanted gurky tbh |
| 09:35.09 | Zeal | but netherwhelp > all |
| 09:35.15 | Apollozeus | they should make a wurky or something |
| 09:35.23 | Apollozeus | than we could have murloc powerrangers |
| 09:35.24 | Apollozeus | :D |
| 09:35.29 | Zeal | nah, murlocs generally suck |
| 09:35.53 | Zeal | i wish we could get soem sort of inanimate pet |
| 09:36.04 | Zeal | eg, orbs and stuff |
| 09:36.14 | Zeal | that follow us and float about |
| 09:36.15 | Apollozeus | well |
| 09:36.18 | Apollozeus | spirit of summer? |
| 09:36.25 | Zeal | whats that? |
| 09:36.34 | Adys | a red wisp |
| 09:36.37 | Adys | from the summerfest |
| 09:36.40 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spirit_of_Summer |
| 09:40.54 | Zeal | oo crystal forge pala design |
| 09:40.56 | Zeal | thats win |
| 09:41.45 | vlad_ | do de doo |
| 09:41.46 | vlad_ | still sorting |
| 09:42.14 | Zeal | coolies btw, though i was thinking stuff more along the lines of orbs from wc3 and keals 3 orbs |
| 09:43.15 | Zeal | "goog paladins always keep their armor shiny and polished" XD |
| 09:49.25 | Zeal | "Murlocs would be better ambushers if there didn't scream all the time" XD |
| 09:50.01 | Zeal | *they |
| 09:53.35 | vlad_ | fixed |
| 09:53.40 | vlad_ | someone go do a test edit please :) |
| 09:56.17 | Adys | on it |
| 09:56.43 | Adys | works |
| 09:57.14 | Zeal | nice |
| 09:57.15 | Adys | lol |
| 09:57.17 | Zeal | ty vlad_ |
| 09:57.27 | vlad_ | thanks |
| 09:57.31 | vlad_ | now i'm off to bed! |
| 09:57.35 | Adys | gn ^^ |
| 09:57.40 | Adys | and thanks aye |
| 09:58.54 | Zeal | 2.0.3->2.0.5 is one update, yay :) |
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| 10:13.17 | Zeal | once again, friends screw me over.. |
| 10:13.36 | Zeal | wow release all over again |
| 10:13.49 | Zeal | people not sticking to plans and going to diff realms.. |
| 10:14.52 | Adys | i gotta say the tcg is quite beautiful |
| 10:15.06 | Adys | but having it in french is enough of a security for me to not get hooked ^^ |
| 10:15.10 | Adys | not to* |
| 10:15.24 | Adys | infobot, are you here? |
| 10:15.34 | infobot | Yes, I'm right here, adys. |
| 10:15.41 | Adys | ok thanks |
| 10:17.42 | Zeal | i dunno what to do now |
| 10:17.46 | Zeal | sigh.. |
| 10:18.17 | Adys | for? |
| 10:18.57 | Zeal | TBC? |
| 10:19.12 | Adys | eh? |
| 10:19.21 | Adys | dunno, you can go level?:p |
| 10:19.29 | Zeal | i was coming back because i wanted to roll and move with friends after we all went inactive for a while. |
| 10:19.41 | Zeal | but the lanned server, they've moved away from again |
| 10:19.46 | Zeal | well, one of them stayed |
| 10:19.49 | Zeal | *planned |
| 10:20.02 | Adys | move with em? |
| 10:20.21 | Zeal | and the new server is PvP, when the whole guild said theey wanted to move to PvE.. |
| 10:20.58 | Zeal | i don't want to play PvP anymore, but i also don't want to go through another year with friends on different servers. |
| 10:21.09 | Zeal | 2 of these being RL swedish friends. |
| 10:21.20 | Zeal | one has stayed, the other has moved again. |
| 10:21.35 | Zeal | the one that's stayed isn't consistantly active.. |
| 10:22.15 | Adys | depends what your plans for the game are |
| 10:22.26 | Zeal | casual play, small guild. |
| 10:22.35 | Adys | if you dont have friends on a server either you change of server or you find another game to play with friends, tbh. |
| 10:22.40 | Adys | thats my opinion about wow |
| 10:22.53 | Adys | im playing since three years the same class, not having fun doing it |
| 10:22.55 | Zeal | yes, that's why i quit wow so many times.. |
| 10:23.12 | Adys | but i got loads of friends and there is <NO WAY> Im quitting the game until they do |
| 10:23.15 | Zeal | come back, and things fall apart again. |
| 10:24.20 | Adys | but honestly, if you cant find nice peeps on your serv, then your serv is really not a good one |
| 10:24.20 | Zeal | now i've just spent money to return again and same thing.. |
| 10:24.35 | Adys | you can try and transfer, youll meet new ppl while levelling |
| 10:25.06 | Zeal | i'm not looking for nice peeps on my server, i'm looking for RL friends who i know, can create a guild together and slowly add people we like. |
| 10:25.23 | Adys | why rl friends? |
| 10:25.26 | Adys | i mean |
| 10:25.30 | Zeal | it's not a question of transfering, it's where to roll my new char. |
| 10:25.30 | Adys | playing with rl friends is always fun |
| 10:25.40 | Zeal | extremely fun. |
| 10:25.45 | Adys | but the point of playing a virtual game thats so based on the social like wow is meeting new ppl |
| 10:26.02 | Zeal | that' fine, but i'm not after that initially |
| 10:26.05 | Zeal | *that's |
| 10:26.09 | Adys | rl friends you're lucky enough to be able to meet them regularly irl |
| 10:26.30 | Zeal | and generally, people are narrow-minded idiots so wouldn't want to be in guild with them.. |
| 10:26.45 | Zeal | gone through that enough.. |
| 10:26.52 | Adys | Im organizing a small stormrage meeting with old guildies that became very close friends very soon |
| 10:27.20 | Adys | THIS is the point of having friends you dont meet irl |
| 10:27.26 | Adys | regularly that is |
| 10:27.29 | Zeal | most people i've thought i liked, have either turned that around, left or quit. |
| 10:27.32 | Adys | i mean, after some time you'll meet them anyways |
| 10:27.53 | Zeal | *-thought |
| 10:28.32 | Adys | you play on EU or US? |
| 10:28.41 | Zeal | EU, ofc :p |
| 10:28.47 | Adys | horde/alliance? |
| 10:29.10 | Zeal | preferabbly horde if i have to choose. |
| 10:29.29 | Adys | meh Im alliance =P well if you got an alliance char come and transfer on stormrage |
| 10:29.37 | Adys | for the community its one of the best server i know |
| 10:29.44 | Adys | and pve =P |
| 10:31.42 | Zeal | will keep that in mind |
| 10:32.06 | Zeal | fyi you're the first french person i've not hated after talking to ;) |
| 10:32.11 | Adys | lol |
| 10:32.34 | Adys | im a very well known enchanter on the server, and when you've got that position you regularly get to meet ppl |
| 10:32.47 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:32.47 | Adys | you see the polite peeps and the ones just wanting an enchant |
| 10:32.56 | Adys | im not kidding, thats how I met my gf =P |
| 10:33.24 | Zeal | well guess i'm just gunna jump on darkspear, i know their old chars are still on there and it was the planned server.. |
| 10:34.31 | Adys | RL friends are fun to play with but if you're actually seeking to play with rl friends when you are playing a mmo, its not the way to go imo |
| 10:34.39 | Adys | wow is so much centered on the social its incredible |
| 10:35.09 | Adys | meeting new ppl, getting to know them and then meeting irl is fun |
| 10:35.50 | Adys | ofc its also fun knowing ppl irl and playing with them, but centering your playstyle on this side of the social game only is not fun imho |
| 10:36.58 | Adys | 27 mins for 30% of a minor patch |
| 10:36.58 | Adys | qq |
| 10:37.00 | Zeal | it's perhaps not easily, but it is fun. |
| 10:37.06 | Zeal | lol, ouch |
| 10:37.20 | Adys | yeah I know its fun :P |
| 10:37.25 | Adys | but you can always do both |
| 10:37.39 | Zeal | i miss when i played open beta with my best firend.. we were just reminiscing a min ago |
| 10:37.55 | Zeal | both tauren druids, i was tank and dps, he was healer and buffer :p |
| 10:38.05 | Zeal | did everything together, lol. |
| 10:38.53 | Zeal | and sure, we made lots of firends we kept in contact with, and i would have gladly added to a guild. |
| 10:39.03 | Zeal | and that's how i'd like to enjoy the game.. |
| 10:39.10 | Zeal | but lacking the first step. |
| 10:39.21 | Adys | bc is the perfect occasion for that |
| 10:39.26 | Zeal | And no, i really don't want to join a guild :P |
| 10:39.29 | Adys | tell you, while levelling youll meet ppl |
| 10:39.43 | Adys | well |
| 10:39.50 | Zeal | who are usually guilded or crap :P |
| 10:39.51 | Adys | being guildless doesnt help meeting new peeps either |
| 10:40.12 | Adys | nice peeps are usually guildled thats a fact |
| 10:40.38 | Adys | the only guildless ppl who play the game long are usually kids who just play "for the game" |
| 10:41.10 | Adys | the whole point of wow is its social part, i can really ensure you that |
| 10:42.11 | Zeal | i think you've known me long enough to know i'm very opinionated on how i think things should be done. why i could never be in a guild i don't play an important part of. my first guild i quickly became an officer in, then took the role of co-leader, then when i went inactive, i handled administrative stuff for them, website, organization, politics, rules etc. when the leader was going inactive, i salvaged the guild by merging it |
| 10:42.28 | Zeal | reformed one i had been in talks with arranging an alliance |
| 10:42.53 | Adys | (sorry) LOL |
| 10:43.02 | Adys | why doesnt that surprise me =P |
| 10:43.25 | Adys | but im kinda the same kind of person in a guild |
| 10:43.50 | Zeal | i then went into a lesser administritive role, but still had a big say, until a disagreement over DKP system, at which point i bowed to their decision as a guild, and quit the guild (though most of them got the wrong idea.. which pissed me off) and quit wow at the same time. |
| 10:43.54 | Adys | ive been for one year and half officer/raidleader in two different guilds |
| 10:44.07 | Adys | after i left my second guild for a more casual one |
| 10:44.11 | Adys | i gave up and wanted to chill |
| 10:44.27 | Adys | its relaxing not doing all this and not be bothered too much |
| 10:45.41 | Zeal | i'd always wish there was a more relaxed RP server.. |
| 10:45.49 | Adys | when you get regular whispers for various enchants, lead a MC pug every week, are officer in a major raiding guild, edit and watch wowwiki on a regular basis, try and keep up to date some addons and want to spend time with your girlfriend you just burn out at some point |
| 10:46.05 | Adys | that counted i was raiding 7 days a week (6d/week + the MC pug) |
| 10:46.07 | Zeal | i nthe sense, you're not having to act out your char, but act as your char. |
| 10:46.33 | Zeal | well, i have no obligations.. |
| 10:46.37 | Zeal | really |
| 10:46.45 | Adys | me neither! |
| 10:46.50 | Adys | apart from maybe the enchants |
| 10:46.54 | Adys | being officer was my choice |
| 10:46.59 | Adys | editing wowwiki was my choice |
| 10:47.04 | Adys | doing addons was my choice |
| 10:47.13 | Adys | raiding every day was my choice |
| 10:47.23 | Adys | leading the mc pug aswell - i just enjoyed it |
| 10:47.36 | Adys | but then you dont have time to spend with ppl you know and that sucks |
| 10:48.35 | Zeal | i'm not a big RL socializer anyways. most of my firends i've met online or through education. |
| 10:49.06 | Zeal | cinema, odd pub, meal. that's about it. |
| 10:52.24 | Zeal | so, i'm fairly safe in that regard. |
| 10:53.44 | Zeal | but anyways.. i'm more than willing to meet people, but don't want to level on my own and stumble around for a guild and more that likely hop through guilds.. |
| 10:54.04 | Adys | well i dont really get it |
| 10:54.15 | Adys | if you want to level with other ppl but not join a guild its gonna be hard tbh |
| 10:54.40 | Zeal | that's where friends are supposed to come in.. |
| 10:54.51 | Zeal | RL or not |
| 10:55.00 | Adys | my friendlist is composed of about 5 friends i met during levelling etc |
| 10:55.08 | Adys | and 45 ex guildies |
| 10:55.33 | Adys | even had to set up a channel to get to talk to these ppl regularly since my friendlist was full |
| 10:56.01 | Adys | shit. |
| 10:56.02 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:56.05 | Adys | i just found out |
| 10:56.09 | Adys | im downloading the EPL |
| 10:56.12 | Adys | and not the patch >.> |
| 10:56.15 | Zeal | EPL? |
| 10:56.21 | Adys | ELP |
| 10:56.25 | Adys | european language pack sorry |
| 10:56.36 | Adys | english version over french version |
| 10:57.14 | Adys | ffs |
| 10:57.19 | Adys | 211 more mb to download now >.> |
| 10:58.20 | Zeal | ah i see, lol |
| 10:59.29 | Adys | yay found a decent mirror |
| 11:00.44 | Zeal | any idea where Kirkburn|afk plays? XD |
| 11:00.56 | Adys | england |
| 11:01.02 | Adys | or did you mean server |
| 11:01.07 | Adys | i think hes on bloodhoof im not sure |
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| 11:03.36 | Zeal | checks the.. slowwiki |
| 11:03.41 | Zeal | */me |
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| 11:04.25 | Zeal | hm.. dragonblight |
| 11:04.51 | Zeal | alliance though :( |
| 11:05.33 | Zeal | infernals breaking page.. |
| 11:06.31 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk broked it :p |
| 11:09.01 | Zeal | alliance is tempting me now.. |
| 11:09.10 | Zeal | with you that is.. |
| 11:09.12 | Zeal | bah |
| 11:09.28 | Zeal | draenei hunter.. heh |
| 11:15.00 | Adys | how the hell am i supposed to use the language pack once i have it installed... back |
| 11:15.03 | Adys | bah* |
| 11:17.45 | Zeal | O_o |
| 11:17.56 | Adys | it used to add a folder inside the wow directory |
| 11:18.02 | Adys | now it basically adds mpqs and stuff |
| 11:18.06 | Adys | but no idea how to "enable" it |
| 11:20.11 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 11:20.26 | Zeal | perhaps it's in the WTF file? |
| 11:20.35 | Zeal | all the wow settings should be in there |
| 11:22.38 | Zeal | SET locale "enGB" in config.WTF |
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| 11:26.45 | denominator | so wowwiki says the chan name is wowi-lounge |
| 11:26.52 | denominator | maybe someone should fix that |
| 11:27.03 | Igor | bleh |
| 11:27.14 | Zeal | er.. no it doesn't? |
| 11:27.31 | Igor_nick | Don't ask us! We recommend you join chat.freenode.net, #wowi-lounge |
| 11:27.46 | Igor-wow | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC |
| 11:27.52 | Zeal | #wowi-longe is probably linked for wow interface editing, not the wiki itself |
| 11:28.14 | Igor-wow | ahh it does exist |
| 11:28.16 | Igor-wow | ok ignore me |
| 11:28.20 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:28.33 | Igor-wow | guess i mistyped it when i typed it before |
| 11:28.46 | Zeal | :s |
| 11:29.02 | Zeal | actually i mispelled it too, heh. |
| 11:29.04 | Igor-wow | wiki is looking nice these days |
| 11:29.13 | Igor-wow | i fix API errors when i see em |
| 11:29.20 | Zeal | but yeah.. if you read that wiki page, it's listed as an answer for wow ui help. |
| 11:29.26 | Zeal | kk |
| 11:29.30 | Igor-wow | yeah i can't read |
| 11:29.33 | Zeal | i generally don't touch that stuff :P |
| 11:29.39 | Igor-wow | heh thats all i look at |
| 11:29.44 | Igor-wow | events, API, macros |
| 11:29.56 | Igor-wow | never even browsed anything else |
| 11:29.59 | Zeal | more, lore, templates and policies |
| 11:30.03 | Zeal | *me |
| 12:08.47 | Apollozeus | damn |
| 12:08.56 | Apollozeus | all the articles on the vanity pets are messes |
| 12:09.45 | Zeal | fucking addons.. |
| 12:10.06 | Zeal | why can't people write decent addons.. useful addons.. |
| 12:25.02 | Zeal | anyone wanna flood me with recommendations? |
| 12:26.46 | Apollozeus | non-flaming ones? :P |
| 12:29.43 | Zeal | hm? |
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| 13:18.53 | Zeal | argh!!! |
| 13:19.02 | Zeal | they've fucked with the timeline again |
| 13:20.02 | kaso | It was always that way.. |
| 13:20.17 | Zeal | heh |
| 13:24.01 | Zeal | take it back |
| 13:24.07 | Zeal | thank god.. |
| 13:26.05 | Zeal | it's a official Naxxramas can now be considered cleared in lore. |
| 13:27.17 | Zeal | i take that back |
| 13:27.18 | Zeal | ffs.. |
| 13:27.20 | kaso | whatcha mean? |
| 13:27.27 | Zeal | don't worry >_> |
| 13:27.33 | Adys | Kel Thuzad killed illidan! |
| 13:27.35 | Adys | true story |
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| 13:27.46 | Zeal | lol |
| 13:27.59 | Zeal | adys, gief addons |
| 13:28.04 | Adys | for? |
| 13:28.14 | Zeal | anything useful.. lol |
| 13:28.16 | LucidFox | is Adon still there in the addon? :) |
| 13:28.23 | Adys | yeap lucif |
| 13:28.25 | Adys | lucid* |
| 13:28.27 | Zeal | lol |
| 13:28.42 | Adys | zeal, what kind of addons you want :p |
| 13:28.50 | LucidFox | and the logs blocking access are still there too? |
| 13:28.55 | Adys | nah |
| 13:29.08 | Adys | course not lol |
| 13:29.08 | LucidFox | replaced by a huge instance portal? |
| 13:29.12 | Adys | ya |
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| 13:30.47 | LucidFox | I still can't see how a connection between zones with such level disparity can work |
| 13:30.59 | Adys | zul aman is close |
| 13:31.05 | LucidFox | I bet Ghostlands are constantly under attack by level 60 Alliance |
| 13:31.14 | Adys | and same thing for tirisfal and WP tbh |
| 13:31.28 | Apollozeus | adys |
| 13:31.35 | Adys | dingdingding |
| 13:31.39 | Apollozeus | can you take a picture of the portal to the ghostlands? |
| 13:31.43 | LucidFox | I didn't know Tirisfal and WP were connected... |
| 13:31.49 | LucidFox | YES, PLEASE! |
| 13:31.50 | Apollozeus | I'd like to know what it looks like D: |
| 13:31.54 | kaso | What will be the new Surprise Spider for blood elfs i wonder |
| 13:31.58 | Adys | they are lucid, by the Bulwark |
| 13:32.02 | kaso | The Greeting grub? |
| 13:32.13 | Adys | apollo, when i get there>< |
| 13:32.19 | Apollozeus | ok |
| 13:32.20 | kaso | hmm no those gubs are yellow iirc |
| 13:32.23 | Adys | im on a levelling race atm |
| 13:32.24 | LucidFox | do all three CoT instances work? |
| 13:32.28 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 13:32.34 | Apollozeus | so that's why you're in IRC? |
| 13:32.36 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 13:32.37 | Zeal | adys, anything, stuff you like. |
| 13:32.46 | Adys | epic flying mount to the first guild's 70 |
| 13:32.56 | Adys | and autorun + windowed mode = win |
| 13:32.57 | Zeal | lol |
| 13:33.02 | Apollozeus | ah |
| 13:33.05 | LucidFox | also, is access to Hyjal still blocked? |
| 13:33.11 | Apollozeus | of course LucidFox |
| 13:33.19 | LucidFox | damn |
| 13:33.42 | Apollozeus | what made you think that blizzard would suddenly have opened it? |
| 13:33.56 | LucidFox | one more question, then... |
| 13:34.01 | Adys | not sure what they wanna do with hyjal tbh |
| 13:34.11 | LucidFox | is the modern Hyjal the same zone as CoT-Hyjal> |
| 13:34.13 | LucidFox | ? |
| 13:34.14 | Adys | kinda odd they dont open it tbh |
| 13:34.17 | Adys | yes but no |
| 13:34.20 | LucidFox | or are they distinct zones? |
| 13:34.22 | Zeal | make wisps a playable race Adys ;) |
| 13:34.28 | Adys | its the same zone in the lore but they are different |
| 13:34.28 | Apollozeus | noone is, but it's gonna be closed for the upcoming few months for sure :p |
| 13:34.30 | Adys | lol zeal |
| 13:34.41 | Apollozeus | Zeal, that's so 2006 :p |
| 13:35.06 | Zeal | Hyjal (Past) is an instance, it does not exist in Kalimdor in terms of the game. Only in lore. |
| 13:35.15 | LucidFox | I think they will eventually turn Hyjal into a recreational area, like Moonglade but for higher-level players |
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| 13:35.28 | LucidFox | Zeal> ok |
| 13:35.29 | Zeal | dunno |
| 13:35.31 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 13:35.35 | Zeal | Bagginsww |
| 13:35.39 | Apollozeus | moonglade isn't just recreation though |
| 13:35.47 | Adys | hyjal a recreational area lo |
| 13:35.49 | Adys | lol* |
| 13:35.50 | Bagginsww | anyone see foogray's edits to alleged death section of maiv shadosong? |
| 13:35.52 | Zeal | i just had a panaic moment, i thought they screwed up the timeline again :P |
| 13:35.55 | Adys | the idea makes me laugh |
| 13:36.01 | LucidFox | BY THE WAY! |
| 13:36.06 | Bagginsww | I have to say that for once its very neutral piece of work and well done |
| 13:36.16 | LucidFox | I was excited to see Maiev alive! |
| 13:36.23 | Apollozeus | hehe, bungalows in hyjal! |
| 13:36.27 | LucidFox | does she do anything after you free her? |
| 13:36.28 | Bagginsww | no one attacking the authors this time around |
| 13:36.30 | Apollozeus | let's make it a tourist section |
| 13:36.36 | Apollozeus | with safari jeeps and stuff |
| 13:36.36 | Bagginsww | ya its cool that she's alive |
| 13:36.38 | Adys | it already is =P |
| 13:36.42 | Adys | 5g and I summon you there |
| 13:36.43 | Adys | lol |
| 13:36.48 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 13:36.50 | LucidFox | to Hyjal? |
| 13:36.54 | Adys | ofc |
| 13:37.03 | Adys | and if you dont pay we summon you underwater |
| 13:37.12 | LucidFox | lol |
| 13:37.58 | LucidFox | for those living on a desert island, by the way: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b256/Truthsgate/Maiev.jpg |
| 13:38.02 | Zeal | nice Bagginsww |
| 13:38.29 | LucidFox | Moonglade is actually one of the reasons I play a druid |
| 13:38.37 | Adys | .. |
| 13:38.56 | Adys | thats like saying |
| 13:39.13 | Adys | "arcane intellect is actually one of the reasons i play a mage" |
| 13:39.19 | Zeal | though if i could be arsed i'd clean it up to sort the speculation and the rest of the article out in accordance to policy, but ofc i cba :P |
| 13:40.03 | Apollozeus | Template:BC <-- so ugly |
| 13:40.19 | LucidFox | how big is Silvermoon? |
| 13:40.31 | LucidFox | (without the ruined part) |
| 13:40.31 | Adys | bout the size of stormwind |
| 13:40.34 | Adys | bit bigger |
| 13:41.07 | LucidFox | and Exodar? |
| 13:43.41 | Apollozeus | smaller than that D: |
| 13:44.00 | LucidFox | heh |
| 13:44.25 | Apollozeus | my brother was all excited this morning before he went to school |
| 13:44.35 | Zeal | silvermoon is huge, like an xbox. |
| 13:44.37 | Apollozeus | 'omg, i see draenei shaman! draenei shaman!' |
| 13:44.43 | LucidFox | Undercity is the smallest capital in the original game, correct? |
| 13:45.07 | Zeal | it's pretty big tbh |
| 13:45.14 | Zeal | just don't realize it. |
| 13:45.20 | Apollozeus | it's got multiple levels |
| 13:45.25 | Apollozeus | that makes it seem smaller |
| 13:45.27 | LucidFox | then what is the smallest one? |
| 13:45.38 | Apollozeus | darnassus or thunder bluff methinks |
| 13:45.40 | Zeal | rather hard to judge |
| 13:45.41 | LucidFox | ah |
| 13:45.44 | LucidFox | yes, Darnassus |
| 13:45.44 | Zeal | indeed |
| 13:45.44 | Apollozeus | but that's wild guessing |
| 13:45.53 | Zeal | i'm thinking TB |
| 13:46.15 | LucidFox | so, how does Exodar compare in size to the other capitals? |
| 13:46.26 | Zeal | similar to undercity imo |
| 13:46.33 | Zeal | but vertical space it's massive. |
| 13:47.02 | Zeal | horizontal, rather compact. |
| 13:47.20 | Zeal | but not really small. |
| 13:48.52 | Apollozeus | heh |
| 13:48.57 | Zeal | adys.. waiting on those addons XD |
| 13:49.02 | Adys | >< |
| 13:49.04 | Zeal | anyone, recommend addons :p |
| 13:49.10 | Adys | search for gogomount on curse gaming |
| 13:49.14 | Adys | its my preferred addon |
| 13:49.16 | LucidFox | what will happen if you try to sail to the Draenei area with the original game? |
| 13:49.23 | Apollozeus | outfitter |
| 13:49.27 | Adys | you die |
| 13:49.30 | Apollozeus | no |
| 13:49.34 | Zeal | i'm too out of the loop and it's hard sift through the crap and dead stuff. |
| 13:49.35 | Apollozeus | you get teleported back to darkshore |
| 13:49.37 | Adys | or get tp'd |
| 13:49.38 | Apollozeus | but you won't die |
| 13:49.46 | LucidFox | without explanation? |
| 13:49.50 | Apollozeus | with |
| 13:49.55 | LucidFox | ah |
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| 13:50.02 | Apollozeus | 'you don't have TBC installed bla bla' |
| 13:50.04 | Zeal | it'll probably put you back on the boat on a return :P |
| 13:50.11 | Apollozeus | no |
| 13:50.22 | Apollozeus | you'll be on the graveyard north of auberdine |
| 13:50.23 | Zeal | fair enough |
| 13:50.28 | Zeal | wtF? |
| 13:50.33 | Apollozeus | yes, and alive |
| 13:50.33 | Zeal | lame : / |
| 13:50.44 | Zeal | very lame |
| 13:50.51 | LucidFox | lame, indeed |
| 13:51.35 | Apollozeus | why? it's not as if it matters |
| 13:53.16 | LucidFox | mysterious is Elune, and inexplicable are Her ways of dealing with the unworthy... |
| 13:54.37 | LucidFox | by the way, what will happen if you log out on expansion territory and try to log back in with the original game? |
| 13:54.52 | Apollozeus | that's impossible lucidfox |
| 13:54.59 | Apollozeus | you have to upgrade your account |
| 13:55.20 | LucidFox | NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 13:55.38 | Apollozeus | darth vader D: |
| 13:55.42 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 13:55.49 | Zeal | yeah, i'm wondering how are they enforcing that? |
| 13:56.04 | Zeal | are they simply saying TBC accounts can no longer use the WoW client? |
| 13:56.10 | Apollozeus | I would assume that |
| 13:56.15 | Zeal | ouch : / |
| 13:56.21 | LucidFox | what if you're being summoned there? |
| 13:56.33 | Zeal | will likely fail |
| 13:57.02 | Apollozeus | definetelyh |
| 13:57.05 | Apollozeus | definetely* |
| 13:59.25 | Zeal | more addons, lol |
| 13:59.40 | Bagginsww | so I heard the Europe CE, were screwed up... Wow that sucks. |
| 13:59.55 | Bagginsww | but hey you get "Lurky" I'm jealous LOL |
| 14:00.12 | Apollozeus | AND two days of extra play time |
| 14:00.17 | Apollozeus | Lurky is dumb though :p |
| 14:00.24 | Tepetkhet | I'm sad that I missed out on the collector's edition. |
| 14:00.43 | Apollozeus | my brother ordered one |
| 14:00.53 | LucidFox | is the restored BE kingdom still known as Quel'Thalas? |
| 14:00.58 | Apollozeus | I'm gonna try and convince it to open it instead of selling it through ebay |
| 14:01.06 | Apollozeus | lorewise, yes |
| 14:01.11 | Apollozeus | in game mechanics, no |
| 14:01.24 | Apollozeus | it has been split up in the ghostlands and eversong woods |
| 14:01.29 | LucidFox | I know about that |
| 14:01.53 | LucidFox | the Kindgom of Stormwind and Khaz Modan aren't exactly zones either :) |
| 14:02.09 | Apollozeus | but the ghostlands are hardly under the control of the BEs any longer |
| 14:02.13 | Apollozeus | it's like Westfall |
| 14:03.48 | LucidFox | does Eversong have the same tranquill and peaceful feeling as Elwynn? |
| 14:03.59 | LucidFox | or is there something sinister obviously lurking in the air? |
| 14:04.23 | Apollozeus | other than the dead scar |
| 14:04.30 | Apollozeus | the peaceful feeling is still there I guess |
| 14:04.43 | LucidFox | well, the Dead Scar is out of question :) |
| 14:05.19 | Bagginsww | restored region is quel'thalas if you try going around its portal |
| 14:05.28 | Bagginsww | instead of through the portal |
| 14:05.38 | Zeal | Apollozeus, kingdoms are not used in game. it hasn't been split up. |
| 14:05.56 | Apollozeus | zeal, quel'thalas = two zones |
| 14:05.59 | Bagginsww | but inside hte portal it only goes by zone names |
| 14:06.16 | Bagginsww | don't know aobut quest refrences |
| 14:06.22 | Apollozeus | that's why I said "lorewise, yes" |
| 14:06.22 | Zeal | that isn't what you said though. |
| 14:06.31 | Zeal | it still is there in game |
| 14:06.40 | Apollozeus | in term of game mechanics, it's not |
| 14:06.51 | Bagginsww | eversong is actually pretty tranquil |
| 14:06.53 | LucidFox | anything there recognizable from W3, apart from the Dead Scar? |
| 14:06.56 | Apollozeus | terms* |
| 14:06.56 | Bagginsww | except ofr lots of trolls |
| 14:07.03 | Bagginsww | and the dead scar |
| 14:07.07 | Zeal | practically nothing exists in terms of game mechanics.. |
| 14:08.01 | Bagginsww | but yes if you somehow move beyond the northern sections outside hte instance you will be said to be in "Quel'thalas" heh heh |
| 14:09.03 | Bagginsww | but ya Khaz Modan is on the maps of the games, just not showin in the game |
| 14:09.16 | Bagginsww | same with "continent of Azeroth" |
| 14:09.18 | Bagginsww | really |
| 14:09.22 | beeyatch | lol |
| 14:09.23 | beeyatch | sup? |
| 14:09.40 | beeyatch | people are mailing me patches so i complete them. |
| 14:09.40 | beeyatch | lol |
| 14:09.52 | Zeal | er.. lol |
| 14:10.00 | beeyatch | may these are infected or something. |
| 14:10.07 | beeyatch | since he said ne bnupdate.exe is missing... |
| 14:10.08 | LucidFox | does Sylvanas have anything to say in-game about the restoration of her homeland? |
| 14:10.14 | Zeal | dunno why people are so keen for patches, theres one that takes 5mins top. that's it. |
| 14:10.21 | LucidFox | or they about her, for that matter |
| 14:10.35 | Zeal | there is quests, yes |
| 14:10.44 | Apollozeus | LucidFox, read [[Lament of the Highborne]] |
| 14:10.53 | LucidFox | but that's about Alleria! |
| 14:11.03 | Apollozeus | guess who sings it? D: |
| 14:11.09 | Zeal | no, it's about sylvanas and alleria |
| 14:11.10 | LucidFox | I know, I know, I know |
| 14:11.13 | Zeal | die Apollozeus.. |
| 14:11.15 | Zeal | ¬_¬ |
| 14:11.18 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:11.27 | Apollozeus | lolz, beat ya to it |
| 14:11.31 | LucidFox | I wonder if Alleria knows about Sylvanas' fate... |
| 14:11.42 | Apollozeus | well |
| 14:11.44 | Zeal | nothing about that, more about the claim she sings it.. |
| 14:11.59 | Apollozeus | Alleria is stuck somewhere in Outland |
| 14:12.06 | Apollozeus | and we don't know where |
| 14:12.13 | Apollozeus | rumor has it she's in the Black Temple |
| 14:12.51 | LucidFox | is the Black Temple inaccessible? |
| 14:12.55 | Zeal | shes apparently confirmed alive though (though the wiki article seems to lacks a source on this, what it has is wrong afaik) |
| 14:13.12 | Bagginsww | there is implication in Shadows and Light that some of the heroes may have been captured and held in the "Citadel" ya |
| 14:14.38 | Bagginsww | can anyone confirm velen's color now? |
| 14:14.40 | Bagginsww | still blue? |
| 14:15.01 | beeyatch | Zeal: you wont belive how many hit my site. |
| 14:15.15 | beeyatch | 50% of the people per day are downloading 1.12 full |
| 14:15.16 | beeyatch | lol |
| 14:15.23 | beeyatch | for free shards |
| 14:15.37 | beeyatch | most language downlaoded is enGB |
| 14:15.49 | beeyatch | most people come from moskau |
| 14:16.01 | beeyatch | checking analytics is always fun... :P |
| 14:16.01 | LucidFox | so many unseen siblings |
| 14:16.03 | Zeal | 1.12? rofl |
| 14:16.12 | Bagginsww | its been several weeks and no one has confirmed the term, "ra'sharri for the imps :p |
| 14:16.23 | LucidFox | Vereesa Windrunner, Calia Memethil, Tandred and Finnal Proudmoore |
| 14:16.33 | Zeal | it's from tBC exodar hologram thingies afaik |
| 14:16.39 | Bagginsww | nope |
| 14:16.41 | LucidFox | *Menethil |
| 14:16.43 | Bagginsww | no imp hologram |
| 14:16.50 | beeyatch | Zeal: i am on place 2 if you search for the file on google. since yesterday... |
| 14:16.56 | LucidFox | and we know nothing of them |
| 14:17.11 | Bagginsww | calia shows up? |
| 14:17.17 | beeyatch | i am so happy :D |
| 14:17.35 | LucidFox | no, I was just listing the lost siblings we know nothing about |
| 14:17.36 | Zeal | veeresa is in 2 (3?) novels LucidFox |
| 14:17.47 | Bagginsww | Tandred lives on Kul Tiras |
| 14:17.53 | LucidFox | yes... |
| 14:18.02 | LucidFox | except that Kul Tiras is nonexistent in WoW |
| 14:18.04 | Bagginsww | most of eerything we know about him is in Lands of Conflict |
| 14:18.22 | Zeal | Bagginsww, i've posted a link to a BC species run down from the TBC info on the Mo'arg talk page |
| 14:18.27 | Zeal | check it out |
| 14:18.27 | Bagginsww | although i'm not sure tha tmaterial has been adapted into the wowwiki |
| 14:18.34 | Zeal | beleive it handled the imps |
| 14:18.40 | Bagginsww | ya, zeal I've read that page |
| 14:18.49 | Bagginsww | it shows screens hots for the holograms |
| 14:18.56 | Bagginsww | ra'sharrii isn't cited |
| 14:19.02 | Bagginsww | and I've been to the holograms LOL |
| 14:19.05 | Bagginsww | there is no imp hologram |
| 14:19.14 | Zeal | afaik, those holograms changed several times in beta, imps were there at one point |
| 14:19.23 | Bagginsww | if its beta information then |
| 14:19.30 | Bagginsww | we can only mark it as "removed from game info |
| 14:19.31 | Zeal | but it beleive the ciation for that is a quest line from TBC, i don't know which. |
| 14:19.40 | Bagginsww | ya that's all we need to know |
| 14:19.48 | Bagginsww | quest line information |
| 14:19.55 | Zeal | mhm |
| 14:20.05 | Bagginsww | plus find out if its a language thing |
| 14:20.08 | Zeal | i'll ask the author if/when i get the chance |
| 14:20.11 | Bagginsww | like is it a draenei language |
| 14:20.17 | Bagginsww | vs common language |
| 14:20.17 | Bagginsww | name |
| 14:20.45 | Bagginsww | at least for holograms we know more aobut them that true name, and class names |
| 14:21.10 | Bagginsww | saccubus being kind of a class within sayaad |
| 14:21.13 | Bagginsww | *succubus |
| 14:21.22 | LucidFox | also... the Greymane Wall is a lame excuse for not implementing a zone |
| 14:21.33 | Bagginsww | agrees with lucid |
| 14:21.41 | Bagginsww | what's keeping them from touching that zone, :P |
| 14:21.58 | Bagginsww | maybe they want to save it for when they implement kul tiras and the like |
| 14:22.01 | Bagginsww | who knows |
| 14:22.22 | Apollozeus | so many unfinished zones.. |
| 14:22.41 | Bagginsww | they could at least finish hyjal in some way :p |
| 14:22.44 | Apollozeus | makes you wonder what blizzard has in store for us in the upcoming expansion |
| 14:22.56 | Bagginsww | upcoming they announced a new one? |
| 14:23.02 | Bagginsww | beyond BC? |
| 14:23.05 | LucidFox | no |
| 14:23.08 | Apollozeus | they announced they were 'working on something' |
| 14:23.12 | LucidFox | anyway, they have a lot of untouched areas for an expansion besides that |
| 14:23.19 | Bagginsww | the working on something could be handful of things LOL |
| 14:23.19 | Apollozeus | but no details... we're likely not gonna hear them before e3 either |
| 14:23.24 | LucidFox | Undermine, Nazjatar, Emerald Dream, Northrend |
| 14:23.39 | Apollozeus | no, the question was specifically about new expansions |
| 14:23.43 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 14:23.59 | Apollozeus | Nazjatar will probably be a full-underwater raid dungeon |
| 14:24.01 | Apollozeus | which sucks |
| 14:24.18 | Bagginsww | unless they push towards the idea of raising hte city |
| 14:24.22 | Bagginsww | to the surface |
| 14:24.25 | Bagginsww | by some arcane means |
| 14:24.30 | Apollozeus | and the naga there? |
| 14:24.33 | Apollozeus | they die? |
| 14:24.35 | LucidFox | well, there's already Suramar |
| 14:24.42 | Bagginsww | naga can live ont he surface LOL |
| 14:24.55 | Apollozeus | so then we've got an empty city left |
| 14:25.24 | LucidFox | except that Suramar would be an area with one friendly NPC, Drak'Thul |
| 14:25.37 | Bagginsww | there is a possiblity that Makrura could become a neutral city |
| 14:25.43 | LucidFox | and lots of Naga |
| 14:25.46 | Bagginsww | *Makrura capital O mean |
| 14:25.49 | Bagginsww | that's near the naga city |
| 14:25.52 | Zeal | and once again, ct_barmod is useless as it loses a bar.. |
| 14:25.59 | Bagginsww | they are enemies of each other |
| 14:26.00 | Zeal | looses |
| 14:26.09 | Bagginsww | so we might get questsw fro the makrura |
| 14:26.11 | LucidFox | although knowing Blizzard, they'd probably be like |
| 14:26.35 | LucidFox | "only 10% of Maiev's forces went to Lordaeron, the others remained on the Broken Isles and even founded a new city" |
| 14:26.38 | Bagginsww | I'm a little upset with the idea that Zul'aman will be yet another ZG type thing :p |
| 14:26.54 | Bagginsww | they could have at least given us another zone to explore |
| 14:27.11 | Bagginsww | at least halfway |
| 14:27.17 | Zeal | well it's likely deserving of 70 |
| 14:27.17 | Bagginsww | then switch to the actual instance |
| 14:27.32 | Bagginsww | ya that's the plan zeal |
| 14:27.52 | Bagginsww | its just that so far the major troll cities have had alot of similarities |
| 14:28.01 | Apollozeus | lies |
| 14:28.07 | Bagginsww | ziggaraunts more ziggaurats LOL |
| 14:28.13 | Apollozeus | sen'jin village looks nothing like zul'gurub |
| 14:28.16 | Apollozeus | olo |
| 14:28.17 | Bagginsww | sure we have had desert vs jungle |
| 14:28.23 | Zeal | and ct_bottombar fails as it doesn't show keyring or bags.. |
| 14:28.27 | Bagginsww | its a village not a city LOL |
| 14:28.55 | Zeal | oh fucking wonderful, now i have no bars.. |
| 14:29.05 | Bagginsww | zul'aman has been decribed as yet anothe rjungle LOL |
| 14:29.07 | Bagginsww | in other sources |
| 14:29.18 | Bagginsww | very similar to ZG |
| 14:29.32 | Bagginsww | although different set of worship |
| 14:29.46 | Bagginsww | revolved around a snake god who may or may not be an Old God |
| 14:30.03 | Bagginsww | likely not |
| 14:30.05 | Bagginsww | of course LOL |
| 14:30.24 | Bagginsww | though possibility of it being a minion of an Old God could exist I supppose |
| 14:31.50 | LucidFox | "The Lady's Necklace" is a Horde-only quest, I presume? |
| 14:32.12 | Zeal | removal of variables and addons and still i have bags and user bar stuck in the middle of my screen and no bars.. |
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| 14:33.38 | Bagginsww | the one that causes sylvannas to sing? |
| 14:34.02 | Apollozeus | <LucidFox> "The Lady's Necklace" is a Horde-only quest, I presume? <-- no, the alliance will be allowed to enter undercity just for this quest |
| 14:34.12 | LucidFox | and talk to Sylvanas?! |
| 14:34.15 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 14:34.20 | Apollozeus | no of course not -_- |
| 14:34.30 | Bagginsww | the zombies woudl eat me alive |
| 14:34.46 | LucidFox | by the way, did they change her model in the addon? |
| 14:34.53 | Bagginsww | if the meat golems didn't get me first ;) |
| 14:35.03 | Bagginsww | nope |
| 14:35.07 | Bagginsww | and they should have |
| 14:35.19 | Bagginsww | they finally replaced Rexxar's model though |
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| 14:35.33 | LucidFox | so she's still a recolored NE? |
| 14:35.36 | LucidFox | ah, Rexxar... |
| 14:35.38 | Bagginsww | ya :p |
| 14:36.04 | LucidFox | I remember how I was sneaking through Feralas with a level 25-something character... |
| 14:36.08 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:RexxarMishaTLSH.jpg |
| 14:36.37 | LucidFox | and when I was between the Twin Colossals, Rexxar and Misha showed up, and I was like, "I'm sooo screwed..." |
| 14:37.09 | Zeal | -_- i hate shitty coded addons.. |
| 14:37.30 | Bagginsww | its unfortunate that he doesnt still travel around there |
| 14:37.47 | Bagginsww | cause its nice for low level progression and atmosphere |
| 14:38.02 | LucidFox | well, for the Horde, maybe :) |
| 14:38.12 | Bagginsww | well and to scare the alliance |
| 14:38.20 | LucidFox | but for a low-level Alliance character to meet him... |
| 14:38.29 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
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| 14:39.01 | Bagginsww | they could have at least replaced him with another wandering half-ogre |
| 14:39.16 | Bagginsww | to scare lowbies |
| 14:39.45 | LucidFox | I actually met him twice, the first time being in the passage between Stonetalon and Desolace |
| 14:40.13 | LucidFox | (both times I managed to evade him, though) |
| 14:41.32 | LucidFox | I remember how many tries it took me to sneak to Nijel's Point - my armor was all red when I finally got there |
| 14:41.45 | Bagginsww | I ran into him in desolace. |
| 14:41.50 | LucidFox | because I couldn't find the entrance |
| 14:41.52 | Bagginsww | he doesn't attack as far as I know |
| 14:41.55 | LucidFox | ah |
| 14:41.57 | Bagginsww | or didn't |
| 14:41.58 | LucidFox | that's relieving |
| 14:42.05 | Bagginsww | not even sure if you could attack him |
| 14:42.08 | LucidFox | but now, it doesn't matter anyway :) |
| 14:42.14 | Bagginsww | sad :( |
| 14:42.30 | Bagginsww | but ya I ran all the way up to him once just to see if he would do anything |
| 14:42.37 | LucidFox | is it just me, or Desolace is the crappiest zone in the game? |
| 14:42.48 | Bagginsww | I loved Desolance myself |
| 14:42.53 | Bagginsww | just not hte quest lines really |
| 14:42.54 | Bagginsww | boring quests |
| 14:43.05 | Bagginsww | but thought it was visually unique |
| 14:43.28 | LucidFox | I prefer lush zones, Desolace is just that - dull grey desolace all the way |
| 14:43.33 | Bagginsww | reminded me a bit of real life bad lands topgraphy areas I've been to |
| 14:43.40 | LucidFox | ah |
| 14:43.44 | Bagginsww | but that's the geologist in me LOL |
| 14:44.25 | Bagginsww | desolace isn't a word right? |
| 14:44.35 | Bagginsww | but a contraction of two words |
| 14:44.45 | Bagginsww | desolation and solace? |
| 14:44.58 | LucidFox | I don't know, I always assumed it was a word |
| 14:45.10 | Bagginsww | that's what I thought too, then I could never find it |
| 14:45.26 | Bagginsww | I've found Desolate |
| 14:46.10 | Bagginsww | um no idea why I just capitalized desolate, LOL |
| 14:47.15 | LucidFox | in terms of looks, my personal favorite is Feralas, followed by Ashenvale, Elwynn, Azshara and Arathi |
| 14:47.24 | Apollozeus | Ashenvale is the best |
| 14:47.26 | Apollozeus | seriously |
| 14:47.33 | Apollozeus | Mystral Lake, Forest Song |
| 14:47.47 | Apollozeus | those places are so... mysterious somehow o.O |
| 14:47.52 | LucidFox | indeed |
| 14:47.55 | Bagginsww | Kind of like hinterlands myself |
| 14:48.10 | LucidFox | never been there, so I can't really say |
| 14:48.16 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 14:48.28 | Bagginsww | anyone who thinks plaguelands are scenic must be sick LOL |
| 14:48.37 | LucidFox | heh |
| 14:48.38 | Apollozeus | azuremyst and bloodmyst are going to my least favourite alliance zones I think |
| 14:48.46 | LucidFox | Plaguelands are creepy |
| 14:48.49 | Bagginsww | oh azuremyst is beatiful |
| 14:49.07 | Bagginsww | bloodmyst is kind of like another plaguelands |
| 14:49.08 | Apollozeus | I haven't really been able to experience that firsthand |
| 14:49.28 | Apollozeus | but judging from the looks, it's just not as majestic as the other alliance starting zones |
| 14:49.54 | Bagginsww | I found it more majestic than teldrassily personally |
| 14:50.00 | Apollozeus | ROFL |
| 14:50.03 | Apollozeus | teldrassily |
| 14:50.14 | Bagginsww | no idea lOL |
| 14:50.26 | LucidFox | I think the creepiest part of Plaguelands is Plaguewood and the Stratholme outskirts, and the second creepiest... |
| 14:50.28 | Apollozeus | baggins, you're teldrassily :p |
| 14:50.29 | LucidFox | take your guess :) |
| 14:50.30 | Bagginsww | I bump y key alot by accident |
| 14:50.51 | Apollozeus | lucidfox, all of outland? |
| 14:51.01 | LucidFox | no, I'm talking of Plaguelands |
| 14:51.10 | LucidFox | and ty |
| 14:51.19 | LucidFox | the second creepiest place there :) |
| 14:51.23 | Bagginsww | there is something about all the glowing moths and stuff you run into in azuremyst isles too |
| 14:51.34 | Bagginsww | different atmopshere |
| 14:51.36 | LucidFox | it's Light's Hope Chapel :) |
| 14:51.38 | Bagginsww | *atmosphere |
| 14:51.53 | Apollozeus | hey, at least LHC has got Argent Dawn people |
| 14:51.59 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 14:52.00 | Apollozeus | to reassure you're in safe hands |
| 14:52.04 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 14:52.12 | Apollozeus | unless you were so stupid to declare war on them |
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| 14:52.16 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 14:52.45 | Bagginsww | ok there is a "gurky" murloc too? |
| 14:52.49 | Apollozeus | yes |
| 14:52.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah |
| 14:52.55 | Apollozeus | it was for a contest |
| 14:52.58 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 14:52.58 | Apollozeus | EU only I believe |
| 14:52.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | handed out by websites in the fansite project |
| 14:53.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | right before christmas |
| 14:53.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | HENCE WHY I WNT THE WOWWIKI IN THE PROJECT! |
| 14:53.15 | Apollozeus | Murky, Gurky and Lurky |
| 14:53.15 | Bagginsww | we need some more murloc pets ouf our own :p |
| 14:53.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | but that's impossible... |
| 14:53.26 | Apollozeus | makes you wonder what pet we get next |
| 14:53.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | because we have the google ads >< |
| 14:53.37 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 14:53.43 | Apollozeus | Zurky? |
| 14:53.46 | Apollozeus | Turky? :P |
| 14:53.48 | Bagginsww | Burky? |
| 14:53.48 | LucidFox | are there any Alliance settlements in Badlands at all? |
| 14:53.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | No Lucidfox |
| 14:54.14 | Bagginsww | I think they should add a neutral flightpath though |
| 14:54.14 | LucidFox | and it's supposed to be part of Khaz Modan how? :p |
| 14:54.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 14:54.27 | Bagginsww | its part of the continent not hte coutnry |
| 14:54.29 | Trae | I have crack in hand and am installing |
| 14:54.31 | LucidFox | ah |
| 14:54.33 | Apollozeus | LucidFox, it *may* be wise to check with the wiki before asking us a ton of questions which can be answerred easily |
| 14:54.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | Horde doesn't have a flightpath in Blasted Lands |
| 14:54.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | which is atm essentially moer important |
| 14:54.43 | LucidFox | I did check the wiki |
| 14:54.49 | Bagginsww | horde should have one there LOL |
| 14:54.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | we don't |
| 14:54.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | hough |
| 14:54.57 | LucidFox | but it sounded unusual so I wanted to make sure |
| 14:55.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's just a short path from The swamps |
| 14:55.09 | Bagginsww | I say neutralize nethergarde keep |
| 14:55.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah |
| 14:55.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's fine |
| 14:55.22 | Bagginsww | well there is a blood elf abassador there |
| 14:55.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | soon we'll be using HS anyways |
| 14:55.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | PATCH FASTER >< |
| 14:55.41 | Bagginsww | and he wants to try to bring piece between horde and alliance |
| 14:55.42 | LucidFox | HS? |
| 14:55.48 | Bagginsww | and he's neutral to both horde and alliance |
| 14:55.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hearthstone |
| 14:55.52 | LucidFox | ah |
| 14:55.59 | Bagginsww | so it would fit the lore of the area |
| 14:56.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | towards Honor Hold/ Thrallmar |
| 14:56.02 | Bagginsww | really |
| 14:56.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | well that's it |
| 14:56.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | currently logigng in on BC |
| 14:56.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | so you won't be hearing me again for... |
| 14:56.46 | LucidFox | the wiki says Badlands and SG are part of Khaz Modan the kingdon |
| 14:56.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | well QUITE A WHILE ^^ |
| 14:56.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes they are |
| 14:56.53 | Apollozeus | cya Patrigan-Syldra |
| 14:56.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | but read well |
| 14:56.59 | Apollozeus | don't forget to peepee and poopoo |
| 14:57.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | the KINGDOM Khaz Modan |
| 14:57.02 | Trae | I got on top of the portal last night |
| 14:57.06 | Trae | I felt leet |
| 14:57.07 | Trae | lol |
| 14:57.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I think others can explaun it better |
| 14:57.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | Apollozeus |
| 14:57.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | Got a bucket next to me for that stuff |
| 14:57.31 | Apollozeus | haha |
| 14:57.33 | Bagginsww | Not sure about moving of all pets into their pet items |
| 14:57.40 | Apollozeus | Cartman did that smarter, Patrigan-Syldra... :P |
| 14:57.48 | Bagginsww | sometimes certain critters exist outside of being pets |
| 14:57.53 | Bagginsww | like various types of cats |
| 14:58.12 | Bagginsww | how do you get on top of the portal? |
| 14:58.15 | Trae | they should have just had a blank CD.... hmmm who knows if anything is really installing or if this is just a timer cd that makes you wait |
| 14:58.16 | Trae | lol |
| 14:58.28 | Apollozeus | Bagginsww, then the critter can be at the page of the animal |
| 14:58.36 | Apollozeus | and the pet at the item page |
| 14:59.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | Apollozeus |
| 14:59.04 | Trae | anyone to 70 yet? lol |
| 14:59.05 | Bagginsww | well ya its just a few got redirected I think |
| 14:59.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | my mom didn't want to do that :( |
| 14:59.08 | Bagginsww | into the item page |
| 14:59.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | I asked :< |
| 14:59.14 | Apollozeus | hahaha |
| 14:59.22 | Apollozeus | you seriously did? |
| 14:59.42 | Apollozeus | Trae, to 70 in only 15 hours? now THAT is hardcore gaming |
| 14:59.47 | Trae | lol |
| 14:59.49 | Trae | sha |
| 15:00.05 | Apollozeus | even when your toon is already level 60 |
| 15:00.09 | Trae | I'm gonna take my uber leet shadow priest and melt some faces |
| 15:00.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | you're already at 70? :o |
| 15:00.31 | Trae | well... ok it's not so leet |
| 15:00.37 | Trae | hah no |
| 15:00.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | since you're already at your peak |
| 15:00.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | can I have some gold? :D |
| 15:00.50 | Trae | just hit 60 this past week |
| 15:00.53 | Trae | lawls |
| 15:00.55 | Trae | first char |
| 15:00.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | heh :p |
| 15:01.02 | Trae | world of warcrack |
| 15:01.11 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cockroach if that gets moved to a pet item, I'll be upset LOL |
| 15:01.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | im so close to my mount :D |
| 15:01.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | I cant wait! |
| 15:01.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | ... |
| 15:01.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | roaches are already pets dude |
| 15:01.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | they sell them at UC |
| 15:01.34 | Bagginsww | not my point |
| 15:01.41 | Bagginsww | my point is they are critters and pets |
| 15:01.45 | Trae | anyone have a spare 3500 gold on them? heh |
| 15:01.49 | Bagginsww | so putting them under the pet item is unclear |
| 15:02.00 | Apollozeus | bagginsww, we need a page with the proper attributes for items |
| 15:02.09 | Apollozeus | such as the source and item sections |
| 15:02.13 | Bagginsww | I agree |
| 15:02.14 | Trae | disc 4 coming up! |
| 15:02.35 | Bagginsww | its just that not all cockraoches are the "item" |
| 15:02.46 | Apollozeus | is Cockroach the name of the item? |
| 15:02.48 | Trae | can't wait to get a pet |
| 15:02.51 | Bagginsww | nope |
| 15:02.57 | Bagginsww | not as far as I remember |
| 15:03.01 | Trae | I do have a cute canon ball thing as a trinket |
| 15:03.07 | Trae | err cannon |
| 15:03.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 15:03.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | I have a black kingsnake |
| 15:03.29 | Trae | it's saved my butt before |
| 15:03.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | his name is blackie |
| 15:04.37 | Trae | 92% |
| 15:04.44 | Trae | I had to go to 2 freakin' stores this morning |
| 15:04.48 | Trae | first one didn't have it |
| 15:05.03 | Apollozeus | Bagginsww |
| 15:05.06 | Bagginsww | saved your butt? |
| 15:05.08 | Apollozeus | it won't be moved |
| 15:05.09 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 15:05.15 | Apollozeus | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=4738 |
| 15:05.38 | Bagginsww | lol the container is the same name |
| 15:05.49 | Trae | 100% |
| 15:06.16 | Bagginsww | ok let's use prairie dog as an example then LOL |
| 15:06.25 | Bagginsww | ok Brown Prairie dog can go to the container page |
| 15:06.30 | Bagginsww | whistle something or other |
| 15:06.38 | Bagginsww | Prairie dog whistle/ |
| 15:06.41 | Bagginsww | ? |
| 15:07.02 | Bagginsww | but definitely needs to be a prairy dog critter page too ;) |
| 15:07.30 | Apollozeus | well |
| 15:07.39 | Apollozeus | Prairie Dog can be the page about the critter |
| 15:08.12 | Apollozeus | and Prairie Dog Whistle on the item and the pet |
| 15:08.12 | Apollozeus | and needless to say |
| 15:08.12 | Apollozeus | both pages should link to eachother |
| 15:09.54 | Trae | hah |
| 15:10.02 | Trae | why did I just know, there'd be an update |
| 15:10.06 | Bagginsww | ya apollo I agree |
| 15:10.10 | Bagginsww | was telling beep that |
| 15:10.25 | Bagginsww | he was actually going to make 3 pages LOL |
| 15:10.30 | Bagginsww | a disambig |
| 15:10.35 | Bagginsww | and one for critter and pet |
| 15:10.41 | Bagginsww | but I told him for something that minor |
| 15:10.41 | Trae | this is retarded. I was at 2.0.5 now I'm downloading 2.0.3??? |
| 15:10.48 | Bagginsww | we an use inpage disambig |
| 15:11.36 | Bagginsww | I'm happy that all cat names currenlty redirect to "housecat" |
| 15:11.45 | Trae | I'm fairly certain, that after 2.0.3 when I log in, it's going to make me install 2.0.5 all over again |
| 15:11.53 | Bagginsww | and not the item containers LOL |
| 15:12.06 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 15:14.47 | Bagginsww | 3 more hours until store opens :p |
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| 15:15.21 | Tepetkhet | I'm going to pick up my copies after work. |
| 15:15.43 | Trae | just be prepaired |
| 15:15.54 | Trae | to go through 3 levels of updates after you install |
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| 15:17.00 | Trae | I was at 2.0.5 Installed BC, logged in, dl and installl 2.0.3 log in, dl and install 2.0.3.6299 and I'm sure I'l have to installl 2.0.5 next |
| 15:17.22 | Tepetkhet | yeah... |
| 15:17.47 | Trae | hawt damn |
| 15:17.49 | Tepetkhet | Once again, Blizz pushed a patch out too early. :/ |
| 15:17.49 | Trae | logging in |
| 15:17.53 | Trae | still on top of the portal |
| 15:17.54 | Trae | lol |
| 15:17.56 | Hobinheim | Tepetkhet, truth |
| 15:18.00 | Trae | need to jump off |
| 15:18.32 | Trae | w00p |
| 15:19.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | has anyone attacked Kruul and his minions? |
| 15:19.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | do his minions droploot? |
| 15:19.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | drop loot?* |
| 15:20.13 | Trae | I won't say anything I see |
| 15:20.15 | Trae | :) |
| 15:20.18 | Trae | don't want to spoil it |
| 15:20.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 15:20.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | I still havent found him |
| 15:20.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | or hes never there when im in a major city |
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| 15:21.26 | Hobinheim | he's still alive? |
| 15:21.34 | Hobinheim | i thought that would have been over by now |
| 15:23.47 | Bagginsww | his minions drop blues |
| 15:23.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o~ |
| 15:24.05 | Hobinheim | http://youtube.com/watch?v=ipQBFDb_SFI lady sylvanas singing in burning crusade content |
| 15:24.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | where the feck is this mooblet >:{ |
| 15:25.14 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 15:25.25 | Apollozeus | go to the dock of darkshore |
| 15:25.43 | Apollozeus | almost every boat from azuremyst brings draenei |
| 15:38.09 | Bagginsww | well someone redirected "cornish rex" to the cat carrier, but there are also cornish rex critters too |
| 15:39.20 | Bagginsww | the main name should redirect to the housecats article which an include links to the carrier |
| 15:40.03 | Bagginsww | same for the orange tabby :p |
| 15:40.07 | Bagginsww | or any of hte cats |
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| 15:44.23 | Apollozeus | the cornish rex article was all about the vanity pet |
| 15:44.29 | Apollozeus | so I moved it |
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| 15:47.20 | Bagginsww | ok so its ok if we redirect the names to housecat |
| 15:47.35 | Bagginsww | use it as a disambig |
| 15:47.48 | Bagginsww | and it will linke back to the items |
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| 15:53.42 | Bagginsww | hmm so main coon was renamed? |
| 15:53.56 | Bagginsww | someone get offended by "coon"? |
| 15:54.51 | Apollozeus | according to thottbot, it was renamed in patch 1.6 |
| 15:55.01 | Bagginsww | probalby was due to an offense |
| 15:55.06 | Bagginsww | cause coon is an insult in the US |
| 15:55.12 | Apollozeus | hmm |
| 15:55.39 | jrr | is it? |
| 15:55.42 | Apollozeus | "Well maine coon always used to get stuck in the swear filter - coon being a derogatory term for a black person" |
| 15:56.05 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 15:56.09 | Bagginsww | that's what I thought |
| 15:56.24 | Bagginsww | sad actually |
| 15:56.26 | jrr | then again i'm not real profecient with terms like that |
| 15:56.37 | Bagginsww | same reason for cockatrice apparently |
| 15:56.49 | Bagginsww | although it hasn't affected the pygmy cockatrice |
| 15:57.20 | Bagginsww | I only know about it jrr, because I've seen enough movies like Roots and the like |
| 15:57.43 | Bagginsww | and history books |
| 15:57.51 | Bagginsww | One of the Ks in KKK |
| 15:57.56 | Bagginsww | stands for Coons |
| 15:58.13 | Bagginsww | Koons, Krauts, and something else |
| 15:58.23 | Bagginsww | very sick :p |
| 16:00.29 | Bagginsww | among being ignorant they apparently can't spell. |
| 16:01.23 | jrr | i wouldn't expect any basic intelligence out of somebody that subscribes to the idea that people of one skin color are inherently worse than another |
| 16:02.18 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 16:02.49 | Bagginsww | The real truth is that they make themselves worth than others :p |
| 16:02.56 | Bagginsww | that ist he KKK members |
| 16:03.16 | Bagginsww | stripping themselves of humanit and decency |
| 16:03.22 | Bagginsww | *humanity |
| 16:03.45 | jrr | well said |
| 16:05.46 | Bagginsww | ok, ya looked it up apparently the symbolism behind the KKK was, Koons, Kikes, and Katholics, also ist he first letters of Klu Klux Clan, as most peopleknow. |
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| 16:06.28 | Bagginsww | so I guess it is predominately southern protestant movement :p |
| 16:06.39 | jrr | little boys playing in sheets |
| 16:06.50 | Bagginsww | cause they don't have the courage to show their true faces |
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| 16:07.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5915230933646864116 |
| 16:08.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¬.¬ |
| 16:08.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | wait til the end of the video |
| 16:08.42 | jrr | holy crap |
| 16:08.49 | Bagginsww | woah |
| 16:08.49 | jrr | that looks like asphault |
| 16:08.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | it is |
| 16:08.59 | Bagginsww | uh did they do that on purpose? |
| 16:09.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | I think the girl missed her landing |
| 16:09.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | anyhoo |
| 16:09.16 | Bagginsww | I mean does it relate to the discussion we were talkinga bout :p |
| 16:09.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | theres a new law that says certain ages of cheerleadrs cant do certain tricks |
| 16:09.36 | Bagginsww | hmm sounds fair |
| 16:09.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | but they still do them -.- |
| 16:09.48 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 16:09.53 | jrr | there should be no restrictions over thick gymnastic cushions |
| 16:09.57 | Bagginsww | next step if you are going to do the trick wear a helemt |
| 16:09.58 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 16:10.07 | jrr | but they have no business doing it in a parking lot |
| 16:10.31 | Bagginsww | probably with the really thick ones is sometimes they bounce you off the cushion into other objects or hte gorund :p |
| 16:14.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | XD |
| 16:16.54 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 16:17.09 | Bagginsww | yaw saw it happen to someone back in high school LOL |
| 16:17.44 | Bagginsww | luckily they weren't heard bad just a few bruises |
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| 16:25.52 | Apollozeus | ehm |
| 16:25.55 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Animal_Vendors |
| 16:25.59 | Apollozeus | this is a weird category |
| 16:26.06 | Apollozeus | it features mount and pet vendors alike :s |
| 16:27.45 | jrr | ,hrm |
| 16:40.08 | Tepetkhet | oh man |
| 16:40.16 | Tepetkhet | That was horrifying. |
| 16:41.18 | Tepetkhet | Not quite as bad as the pic that put me off amusement parks and fairs, though. |
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| 17:11.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | I wonder if Kruul has to take the elevator in order to attack TunderBluff |
| 17:11.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | Thunder Bluff* |
| 17:11.46 | kaso | Apollozeus The question is why are the Mechanostrider vendors in that category :> |
| 17:12.16 | jrr | kaso: for that matter, why are they influenced by carrots and spurs? |
| 17:12.30 | kaso | true |
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| 17:23.41 | Apollozeus | well |
| 17:23.45 | Apollozeus | easily explained |
| 17:24.02 | Apollozeus | the gnomes figured out how to set up artificial intelligence :O! |
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| 19:27.38 | Kirkburn | So that Collector's Edition DVD is quite good ... |
| 19:28.49 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, you have it? |
| 19:29.02 | Kirkburn | You should be ;) |
| 19:29.11 | Hobinheim | how'd you swing that? |
| 19:29.16 | Kirkburn | Ran into Bristol town centre at around 4pm |
| 19:29.22 | Hobinheim | who did you have to Backstab (Rank 3) to loot that |
| 19:29.25 | Kirkburn | Got the last copy in the store :D |
| 19:29.33 | Hobinheim | idiots, how come they didn't sell out asap |
| 19:29.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | wait |
| 19:29.42 | Kirkburn | Surprised me too |
| 19:29.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | so you got a SE at the store? |
| 19:29.53 | Kirkburn | Yup |
| 19:29.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | was it a pre-order? |
| 19:29.56 | Hobinheim | http://www.wowwiki.com/Magistrix_Erona, how's the layout |
| 19:30.01 | Kirkburn | Tuqui-tuqui, not even! |
| 19:30.06 | Hobinheim | actually, i'm quite content. so don't say it's bad =( |
| 19:30.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | AMG... |
| 19:30.27 | Kirkburn | <-- a very very lucky man :) |
| 19:30.57 | Kirkburn | Upgrady time! :) |
| 19:32.10 | Hobinheim | you didn't upgrade last night with everyone else? |
| 19:32.16 | Hobinheim | i gotta say... it was pretty smooth |
| 19:32.25 | Hobinheim | all the hassle before hand was worth it |
| 19:32.33 | Kirkburn | I only got the copy about 3 hours ago =) |
| 19:32.37 | Hobinheim | YOU ARE NOT PREPARED! etc |
| 19:32.40 | Hobinheim | that tag is sorta corny tho |
| 19:32.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | is there an intro movie? |
| 19:32.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | is it a cool intro movie? |
| 19:32.55 | Hobinheim | yes, the one that's been on theinternet |
| 19:32.58 | Hobinheim | absolutely |
| 19:32.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | man... |
| 19:33.05 | Hobinheim | you see raptor mounts looking fucking awesome |
| 19:33.10 | Hobinheim | hellfire |
| 19:33.13 | Hobinheim | polymorph |
| 19:33.14 | Hobinheim | rez |
| 19:33.18 | Hobinheim | mana tap |
| 19:33.25 | Hobinheim | really really nice spells, movie wise |
| 19:33.33 | Hobinheim | polymorph is all giggles, it's great |
| 19:33.39 | jrr | fun starting area |
| 19:33.42 | Kirkburn | Yay, upgraded |
| 19:34.02 | jrr | racial heal ftw |
| 19:34.03 | Hobinheim | look, i've got the patch =) |
| 19:34.23 | Hobinheim | cam clarke's blood elf laugh is slightly maniacal |
| 19:34.24 | Hobinheim | it's great |
| 19:34.30 | Hobinheim | haughty and devious |
| 19:34.32 | Hobinheim | perrrrrrrrfect |
| 19:34.34 | Hobinheim | omg |
| 19:34.39 | Hobinheim | i think it's out of range or out of mana |
| 19:34.41 | Hobinheim | he sounds so... |
| 19:34.44 | Hobinheim | GRR so annoying |
| 19:34.54 | Hobinheim | "I *said* I'm out of range." |
| 19:34.59 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 19:35.01 | Hobinheim | shut up you gay piece of crap |
| 19:35.05 | Hobinheim | who do you think you're talking to |
| 19:35.11 | Kirkburn | Turn those warnings off :P |
| 19:35.20 | Hobinheim | blood elves are so like... full of themselves |
| 19:35.21 | Hobinheim | i love it |
| 19:35.23 | Hobinheim | i love all ofit |
| 19:35.39 | Hobinheim | i still haven't managed a twirl jump |
| 19:35.42 | Hobinheim | people say its random |
| 19:35.45 | Hobinheim | i've gotten none |
| 19:35.50 | Kirkburn | BE female? |
| 19:35.54 | Hobinheim | male |
| 19:35.55 | jrr | it's probably like NE flips |
| 19:36.03 | Hobinheim | how often does a nelf flip? |
| 19:36.05 | Kirkburn | The men don't afaik |
| 19:36.11 | Hobinheim | i thought it was always at the apex of a wide jump |
| 19:36.17 | Tepetkhet | I thought they spun around. |
| 19:36.27 | Kirkburn | I might be wrong |
| 19:36.34 | Hobinheim | in a video they did |
| 19:36.38 | Kirkburn | I hardly played my beta male |
| 19:36.38 | Hobinheim | maybe casters only? teehee |
| 19:36.54 | Hobinheim | dudes who play chicks = what the christ |
| 19:37.02 | Hobinheim | i kept /whistle ing at someone who was running around naked, haha |
| 19:37.20 | Kirkburn | I'd rather stare at a female bottom all day long, y'know |
| 19:37.37 | Tepetkhet | Then stare at a real female's bottom. |
| 19:37.38 | Kirkburn | However, my main is male =) |
| 19:38.19 | Kirkburn | Tepetkhet, if only ... |
| 19:39.02 | Kirkburn | I don't think my girl would agree to taking a photo and letting me stick in on my monitor though |
| 19:39.12 | Tepetkhet | Why not?? |
| 19:39.17 | Tepetkhet | Geez, I would. |
| 19:39.25 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 19:40.37 | Kirkburn | Now, which server to play on ... |
| 19:41.01 | Tepetkhet | I think some wish I'd leave now. |
| 19:44.19 | Kirkburn | aww |
| 19:45.32 | Tepetkhet | My old GM has said some very nasty things about me. |
| 19:45.51 | Tepetkhet | At least he's not spreading it around the forums. |
| 19:45.52 | Tepetkhet | Yet. |
| 19:46.06 | equiraptor | Outright llies, or just his perversions of the truth? |
| 19:46.06 | Hobinheim | Tepetkhet, what did you do, ninja a binding? |
| 19:47.07 | Tepetkhet | His perversions of the truth. |
| 19:47.13 | Tepetkhet | Nah. |
| 19:47.20 | Tepetkhet | I ninja'd a MT/Raid Leader. |
| 19:47.32 | Tepetkhet | And priest. And DKP officer. |
| 19:48.07 | Hobinheim | i'm lost |
| 19:48.11 | Tepetkhet | And 2 off-tanks |
| 19:48.11 | Hobinheim | i don't get it |
| 19:48.26 | equiraptor | Tep and the GM disagree on some things that affect the running of the guild. Neither one is willing to compromise. So Tep left. |
| 19:48.45 | equiraptor | Many of the guild members would rather follow Tep than the GM. So they have. |
| 19:48.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:48.58 | Tepetkhet | Not as many as I'd have liked. |
| 19:49.01 | Tepetkhet | Not as many as I thought. |
| 19:49.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | *inhales* |
| 19:49.06 | Hobinheim | you all know each other? |
| 19:49.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 19:49.11 | Hobinheim | ARE YOU COLLUDING? |
| 19:49.23 | equiraptor | Tep and I know each other from another IRC channel. |
| 19:49.31 | Hobinheim | cannotsleep, clownswilleatme. cannotsleep, clownswilleatme. cannotsleep, clownswilleatme. |
| 19:49.32 | equiraptor | I rolled on her server to sign her new guild chater. |
| 19:49.34 | equiraptor | Er, charter. |
| 19:49.54 | Tepetkhet | yup |
| 19:49.55 | Tepetkhet | And thanks. |
| 19:50.04 | equiraptor | :D |
| 19:50.21 | equiraptor | Now I'm headed to outland for the first time. |
| 19:51.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay for eqiraptor! |
| 19:51.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | while you're at it |
| 19:51.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | get me a gallon of milk |
| 19:52.04 | equiraptor | Sorry, we only have about 1/3 gallon here, and ice on the roads, and my car has summer tires. |
| 20:03.39 | Bagginsww | 2 copies of collectors heh |
| 20:03.54 | Bagginsww | my main preorder worked out |
| 20:04.13 | Bagginsww | and picked one up at compusa as well |
| 20:06.52 | Bagginsww | only problem no time to install at the moment :p |
| 20:11.39 | Tepetkhet | How many slots should I even get? |
| 20:11.58 | Tepetkhet | We don't have many people now... |
| 20:12.02 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, what's happening to your second? |
| 20:12.14 | Tepetkhet | 25, 35, or 50... |
| 20:12.15 | Kirkburn | Tepetkhet, for your guild? |
| 20:12.17 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 20:12.23 | Kirkburn | Haven't the faintest :P |
| 20:12.39 | Tepetkhet | 50 might be overkill since we don't even have near that many in the guild yet. |
| 20:13.28 | Tepetkhet | But Illidan might say to me all creepysexy-like, "Are you prepared?" and I'll have to say, "No..." |
| 20:13.28 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 20:13.39 | Kirkburn | 25 is a bit close to the max raid size |
| 20:13.44 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 20:13.47 | Kirkburn | Are you a raiding guild? |
| 20:13.51 | Tepetkhet | I hope so. |
| 20:13.55 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 20:14.33 | Tepetkhet | We formed on Sunday... |
| 20:26.14 | Kirkburn | Mostly 60s? |
| 20:26.27 | Bagginsww | kirk selling itLOL |
| 20:26.34 | Bagginsww | selling it for more than I payed heh heh |
| 20:26.40 | Bagginsww | and part of the money is going towards college tuition |
| 20:26.43 | Kirkburn | Nice idea |
| 20:26.58 | Bagginsww | well my sister's currently |
| 20:27.11 | Bagginsww | she's going to a slightly more expensive university |
| 20:27.59 | Bagginsww | other bit to make my copy basically free LOL |
| 20:29.12 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 20:30.59 | Bagginsww | was going to give it to my sister, but she wasn't all that interested in the all the extra stuff was going to sell it anyways. |
| 20:31.13 | Bagginsww | so I let her know it was worth more unopened |
| 20:31.43 | Bagginsww | and she decided regular edition was more her style |
| 20:32.20 | Kirkburn | Aww, but netherwhelp!! |
| 20:32.29 | Hobinheim | any goons here? |
| 20:32.30 | Hobinheim | no? |
| 20:33.05 | Bagginsww | ya well she decided money was more important |
| 20:35.12 | Bagginsww | she had me get the regular ediitona nd send her the key LOL |
| 20:35.50 | Kirkburn | Goons?! |
| 20:37.14 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah ... I'm with the mafia, and relatives of the Kray brothers |
| 20:38.57 | Hobinheim | not those types of goons |
| 20:39.10 | Hobinheim | the goons that steamroll you on mal'ganis |
| 20:40.29 | Kirkburn | alts? |
| 20:40.32 | Kirkburn | twinks? |
| 20:40.50 | Kirkburn | pimpzored warlokz? |
| 20:41.44 | Bagginsww | lloves the artbook |
| 20:41.47 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 20:41.56 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 20:41.59 | Tepetkhet | And the guild... |
| 20:42.09 | Tepetkhet | Everybody that joined has at least one level 60. |
| 20:42.22 | Tepetkhet | But there are only about a half dozen for now. |
| 20:42.55 | Tepetkhet | I was recruiter for my previous guild. |
| 20:43.07 | Tepetkhet | And helped build it up to a level to start doing MC and Ony. |
| 20:43.14 | Kirkburn | Nice |
| 20:43.19 | Tepetkhet | And the MT that left with me...he has experience through BWL. |
| 20:43.51 | Kirkburn | BWL? Psshh ... TK is where it's at now ;) |
| 20:44.15 | Tepetkhet | He was also part of one of the first Horde guilds on my server with any kind of endgame progression. |
| 20:45.00 | Kirkburn | 10 62s on my server now |
| 20:45.12 | Tepetkhet | well |
| 20:45.23 | Kirkburn | I hope all the HFP quests are working this time around ;) |
| 20:45.25 | Tepetkhet | I should be strong...and optimistic... |
| 20:45.43 | Kirkburn | You gotta believe!! |
| 20:45.50 | Kirkburn | Do you, do you BELIEVE? |
| 20:45.57 | Tepetkhet | I believe...I have a headache. |
| 20:46.16 | Kirkburn | Why do people keep saying that to me ... |
| 20:46.46 | Bagginsww | LOL the artbook calls them "cockatrice" |
| 20:46.51 | Kirkburn | As you do, in front of a PC :P |
| 20:47.03 | Kirkburn | Well they damn well are cockatrices! |
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| 20:47.20 | Tepetkhet | Bagginsww: I think somebody at Blizzard caught wind of me (and others?) calling Blood Elves cock riders. |
| 20:47.36 | Bagginsww | stupid censorship |
| 20:47.46 | Bagginsww | its probably similar to main coon incident |
| 20:47.50 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 20:47.51 | Celebron | If you buy BC can you still play with the non-BC people on your server? |
| 20:47.58 | Kirkburn | Celebron, yup |
| 20:47.59 | Bagginsww | yes |
| 20:48.05 | Bagginsww | they just can't reach you |
| 20:48.07 | Bagginsww | if you are in new areas |
| 20:48.16 | Celebron | ok, then is it possible for someone without BC to get to the new capitals |
| 20:48.17 | Kirkburn | Yeah the Maine Coon was a pity |
| 20:48.19 | Celebron | silvermoon, etc |
| 20:48.23 | Kirkburn | Nope |
| 20:48.30 | Bagginsww | which is sad because those are wonderful breed of cats |
| 20:48.40 | Kirkburn | They're on the Outland server, offlimits to non BC people |
| 20:48.41 | Bagginsww | but it screws the filter up |
| 20:48.55 | Kirkburn | The chat text filter? |
| 20:49.01 | Bagginsww | new capitals are in their own instances |
| 20:49.02 | Bagginsww | so no |
| 20:49.06 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:49.07 | Celebron | ah ok |
| 20:49.09 | Bagginsww | chat text filter |
| 20:49.13 | Kirkburn | Not entirely, Bagginsww =) |
| 20:49.13 | Bagginsww | cause coon is an insult |
| 20:49.27 | Kirkburn | They're on Outland, on that map, but the co-ords are transferred to Azeroth |
| 20:49.33 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 20:49.50 | Kirkburn | They're way way away though, afaik |
| 20:49.52 | Bagginsww | quel'thalas in the outland? |
| 20:49.59 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 20:50.00 | Kirkburn | Effectively, yeah :P |
| 20:50.02 | Bagginsww | funny |
| 20:50.14 | Bagginsww | I thought they were split like seperat continents |
| 20:50.16 | Kirkburn | I can understand the chat filter thing, that makes perfect sense |
| 20:50.17 | Celebron | and all of outland = contested or what? |
| 20:50.21 | Bagginsww | like they did with eastern and kalimdor |
| 20:50.23 | Kirkburn | Celebron, pretty much |
| 20:50.46 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, it might have changed of course, but that was the last I knew |
| 20:51.03 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 20:51.50 | Kirkburn | omg I'm going thru the portal! |
| 20:51.53 | Bagginsww | hmm a possible race name for those scorpion bugs in aq |
| 20:51.58 | Bagginsww | Sand Reaver |
| 20:52.09 | Bagginsww | you know like the first boss in aq20 |
| 20:52.17 | Tepetkhet | Kurinnaxx |
| 20:52.20 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:52.29 | Tepetkhet | Favourite boss fight in the game. |
| 20:52.33 | Bagginsww | its is fun |
| 20:52.50 | Tepetkhet | Rogue = run behind and stab the whole time. |
| 20:52.52 | Tepetkhet | Awesome. |
| 20:53.01 | Tepetkhet | We kite him back and forth in a line. |
| 20:53.05 | Tepetkhet | Steps to pit to steps |
| 20:53.20 | Tepetkhet | we... |
| 20:53.33 | Bagginsww | hmm a race called the Mantaxx |
| 20:53.37 | Bagginsww | did that make it into outland/ |
| 20:53.38 | Bagginsww | ? |
| 20:53.56 | Bagginsww | giant praying mantises |
| 20:55.18 | Celebron | OK WOOt |
| 20:55.29 | Celebron | Im gonna call my local EB and see if they have BC |
| 20:55.42 | Celebron | they probably only got like 5 copies because our town is so small |
| 20:56.42 | Tepetkhet | Ours was sold out of the collector's edition very fast. |
| 20:56.50 | Celebron | what comes with that |
| 20:57.00 | Tepetkhet | Pet. :( |
| 20:57.05 | Tepetkhet | I dunno what else. |
| 20:57.06 | Celebron | BUH? |
| 20:57.07 | Tepetkhet | Don't care. |
| 20:57.14 | Tepetkhet | I wanted the cute widdle pet. |
| 20:58.31 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore |
| 20:58.58 | Bagginsww | kirkburn most of what he just said we have actually already done... |
| 20:59.22 | Bagginsww | not sure what he wants specifically |
| 20:59.43 | Bagginsww | besides the fact we will create a neutral appendix 3 banner I guess |
| 20:59.52 | Bagginsww | as we discussed in her yesterday |
| 21:00.38 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 21:00.52 | Tepetkhet | Looking at uh...CMSs for my guild's website... |
| 21:01.00 | Tepetkhet | "Drupals motto should be "Nothing is easy. A few things that should be easy are nearly impossible. Most things are hard, but at least most things are possible."" |
| 21:01.08 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, Aeleas? |
| 21:01.10 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 21:01.33 | Bagginsww | problem is if we go his route copmletley we are doing a "canon vs. noncanon" idea |
| 21:01.37 | Bagginsww | which is what we are trying to avoid |
| 21:01.56 | Bagginsww | I'm fine with citations epxlaining where a source is from, and that there may be a controversy |
| 21:02.08 | Kirkburn | The separate cats thing does go a bit too far, imo |
| 21:02.13 | Bagginsww | but not fine with the idea of trying to imply something is not canon or is canon |
| 21:02.20 | Bagginsww | yes that's what I mean |
| 21:02.26 | Kirkburn | Points 1. and 2. sound goos |
| 21:02.29 | Kirkburn | *good |
| 21:02.43 | Bagginsww | well when tehre is a connection sure |
| 21:02.50 | Teomyr | world server doooown! yay! |
| 21:02.51 | Bagginsww | if there is a direct refrence or connection |
| 21:03.01 | Bagginsww | they should be allowed to integrated |
| 21:03.09 | Bagginsww | but if the topic has nothing to do with the other sources |
| 21:03.18 | Bagginsww | and is somehow incorporated |
| 21:03.27 | Bagginsww | it needs a better type of citation |
| 21:04.00 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore#Comments |
| 21:04.03 | Bagginsww | we can't go too far and start giving the impression that we consider something less valid than another sourc,e or more valid |
| 21:04.14 | Hobinheim | USE A WIKI |
| 21:04.24 | Hobinheim | WIKIS SOLVE EVERYTHING |
| 21:04.39 | Hobinheim | I LOST THIRTY POUNDS, GOT BACK TOGETHER WITH MY EX-WIFE, AND LOOK AT ME NOW |
| 21:04.42 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:04.50 | Tepetkhet | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.20 | Bagginsww | and the thing is we don't go for majority rule thing, we just present the information. We point out controversies if they exist |
| 21:05.23 | Bagginsww | nothing beyond that |
| 21:05.31 | Bagginsww | majority rule is still fan opinion |
| 21:05.35 | Bagginsww | not blizzard statements |
| 21:06.47 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 21:06.52 | Tepetkhet | Google knows so much. |
| 21:07.27 | Kirkburn | "/leave 1" ftw ;) |
| 21:08.35 | Bagginsww | well take something like sprite kirkburn |
| 21:08.46 | Bagginsww | it exists in more than one particular source |
| 21:08.54 | Bagginsww | so integration makes sense |
| 21:09.11 | Bagginsww | but we to use an improved citation methoid |
| 21:09.17 | Bagginsww | something that's by chapter |
| 21:09.24 | Bagginsww | MOM, page number and chapter |
| 21:09.33 | Bagginsww | similar to MLA style citation |
| 21:09.36 | *** join/#wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra (n=iron_pla@26.203-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 21:09.38 | Kirkburn | Indeed, the rules can be interpreted, and allow some leeway |
| 21:09.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | rules of what? |
| 21:09.58 | Bagginsww | if people want to ignore the citation they can |
| 21:10.17 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore#Comments |
| 21:10.24 | Kirkburn | That whole section |
| 21:10.37 | Bagginsww | the problem is aeleas is too gungho against trying to have fan interpretaitons of what is canon and isn't |
| 21:10.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | That WHOLE sentence! |
| 21:10.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | sentence > section ^^ |
| 21:11.16 | Bagginsww | if the majority doesn't like it |
| 21:11.19 | Bagginsww | it must be non-canon |
| 21:11.22 | Bagginsww | boohoo |
| 21:11.32 | Bagginsww | but the truth is |
| 21:11.38 | Bagginsww | we are trying to not force it either direction |
| 21:11.47 | Bagginsww | if there is some kind of direct link we list it |
| 21:12.01 | Bagginsww | if its a speculative link it needs to be in a speculation section |
| 21:12.03 | Kirkburn | TBC server is slooow |
| 21:12.12 | Bagginsww | everyone logging in at once LOL |
| 21:12.59 | Bagginsww | btw I shouldn't be "policy writer" in my lorekeeper notation because it means didly LOL |
| 21:13.13 | Kirkburn | The server load is massive |
| 21:13.26 | Kirkburn | It's like the wiki on a patch day :P |
| 21:13.26 | Hobinheim | uhh are we planning to make the bc template a litle more ninja |
| 21:13.28 | Bagginsww | everytime I've tried to explain my intent to keep things neutral someone inevitably screws what I say |
| 21:13.29 | Hobinheim | it's so... ugly |
| 21:13.43 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, that template should only be on major articles |
| 21:13.45 | Bagginsww | icon needs to be smaller |
| 21:13.58 | Bagginsww | its mostly involves stuff you find in outland |
| 21:13.59 | Hobinheim | i use the term bc template very loosely, i realize there are more than one |
| 21:13.59 | Kirkburn | We have an inline one to use |
| 21:14.03 | Hobinheim | i'm mainly talking about the blood elf article |
| 21:14.05 | Bagginsww | or the azuremyst etc |
| 21:14.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | Sorry, but I'm stupid, what's the point of that proposal? |
| 21:14.07 | Hobinheim | i wanna just... bzzzrip |
| 21:14.32 | Bagginsww | someone that hates a section and wants us to declare it as canon, although we aren't saying either way |
| 21:14.37 | Bagginsww | *non-canon |
| 21:14.39 | Bagginsww | declare it as non-canon |
| 21:15.01 | Bagginsww | we are trying to remain neutral, and show all material no matter the source or the quality |
| 21:15.16 | Bagginsww | if it was printed ior created n a licensed product |
| 21:15.19 | Kirkburn | Lol, Honor Hold is busy as hell |
| 21:15.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Fulgorge |
| 21:15.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | that last sentence should be changed to "You are not prepared!" |
| 21:15.36 | Kirkburn | And I just managed to wipe the entire convo :P Argh |
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| 21:15.51 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:16.04 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 21:17.05 | Bagginsww | anycase if any policy is tried to be voted into position and tries to undermine our neutral stance on material is flawed. |
| 21:17.41 | Kirkburn | omg, I just noticed |
| 21:18.08 | Kirkburn | In the Honor Hold inn there's "Anchorite Barada" and "Assistant Klatu" |
| 21:18.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | tell us kirk! |
| 21:18.16 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:18.22 | Bagginsww | where's niktu? |
| 21:18.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | k, I fail... |
| 21:18.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | explain >.>W |
| 21:18.39 | Bagginsww | famous words from a movie |
| 21:18.42 | Bagginsww | science fiction |
| 21:18.45 | Bagginsww | day earth stood still |
| 21:18.46 | Bagginsww | as Ir ecall |
| 21:18.48 | Kirkburn | No sign! |
| 21:19.00 | Kirkburn | Barada klaatu nikto |
| 21:19.05 | Kirkburn | um |
| 21:19.11 | Kirkburn | Klaatu barada nikto, even |
| 21:19.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 21:19.16 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 21:19.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | doesn't matter :p |
| 21:19.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Crusade_Midnight_Signings |
| 21:19.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | delete? |
| 21:19.33 | Kirkburn | Nah |
| 21:19.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | nolinkings and stuff... |
| 21:19.42 | Kirkburn | It's actually interesting =) |
| 21:19.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | and quite pointless... |
| 21:20.05 | Kirkburn | It could be improved by adding which Blizz employees were wehere |
| 21:20.16 | Kirkburn | That way it'll be an interesting record of events |
| 21:20.39 | Kirkburn | Fair enough that atm it's not so much :P |
| 21:20.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow... |
| 21:21.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | myeah good point |
| 21:22.51 | Bagginsww | so kirk you read all of aeleas posts above the policy? |
| 21:23.15 | Bagginsww | where he says if the majority thinks it does't fit, we somehow orphan it |
| 21:23.53 | Bagginsww | I'm for improved citaiton methoid allowing people choice to ignore something, but ceratinly not orphaning material just because "I don't think it fits" |
| 21:24.04 | Bagginsww | if belongs to a related subject |
| 21:24.16 | Kirkburn | No, I just agreed with (most of) the policy |
| 21:24.36 | Bagginsww | ya you just didn't notice aeleas way of interpreting how it is it be used |
| 21:24.44 | Bagginsww | that's where the problem exists |
| 21:24.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw, Varghedin is crazy :< |
| 21:25.06 | Kirkburn | Yes. And? :) |
| 21:25.09 | Bagginsww | that is if majority thinks it is non-canon therefore it should be orphaned from any relating article |
| 21:25.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Professor_Dabiri lol at the character name XD |
| 21:25.18 | Bagginsww | and it can apply to any source majority thinks doesn't ift |
| 21:25.26 | Bagginsww | appendix 3 is just used as an example |
| 21:25.31 | Hobinheim | btw what's our stance on strategy as a form of POV |
| 21:25.43 | Hobinheim | i think i mentioned this last night but i talked to some people that used our wiki for strategy |
| 21:25.49 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 21:26.12 | Hobinheim | btw i do not approve of really ugly badges like THIS IS POV PLZ IGNORE, LOLZ |
| 21:26.14 | Kirkburn | Added name about his note, Patrigan-Syldra :) |
| 21:26.25 | Hobinheim | i think tasteful icons, linked to what they mean would be enough |
| 21:26.25 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:26.31 | Hobinheim | a BC icon, a lore icon in the form of a book maybe |
| 21:26.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol Kirkburn added note about his name you mean? :p |
| 21:26.41 | Hobinheim | but that banner crap's gotta stop, it's ooogly |
| 21:26.48 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, shurely not! |
| 21:27.03 | Kirkburn | Eyonix is next to him |
| 21:28.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | I know! |
| 21:28.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw |
| 21:28.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | anyone read the "thanks to" in the BC Booklet |
| 21:30.19 | Kirkburn | omg wiki lag |
| 21:30.35 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, I watched the credits, so kinda |
| 21:30.52 | Kirkburn | (wiki lag is my fault, fixing a line spacing problem on the bc templatE) |
| 21:31.08 | Hobinheim | is mikaka a he or a she? |
| 21:31.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | well there were quite funny "thanks to"'s in it :p |
| 21:31.20 | Bagginsww | ya? |
| 21:33.25 | Bagginsww | what did it say? |
| 21:39.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't have it next to me |
| 21:39.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | but there were typo's in it ^^ |
| 21:40.36 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 21:40.46 | Kirkburn | Certain members of the UI community were thanked, too :P |
| 21:44.00 | Hobinheim | where are you readin ghtese thanks? |
| 21:44.08 | Hobinheim | sorry i can't read |
| 21:44.17 | Hobinheim | bc booklet =( |
| 21:44.26 | Hobinheim | hey the races were sorted yby size |
| 21:44.31 | Hobinheim | tauren > draenei > trolls |
| 21:44.36 | Hobinheim | height, rather |
| 21:46.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | o'rly!! |
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| 21:46.42 | Fin | oh hey, grats Hobs on transcending! |
| 21:46.56 | Kirkburn | Yes, because tauren actually have tiny -- .... uh, yeah |
| 21:47.01 | Hobinheim | Fin, go /foad. |
| 21:47.08 | Fin | dwhu? |
| 21:47.24 | Kirkburn | Fire On A Dog |
| 21:47.49 | Kirkburn | Food Of A Donkey? |
| 21:48.23 | Fin | just a "dwhu" at the venom! my word, coming from a Leader of the community like that... |
| 21:48.54 | Fin | :P |
| 21:49.03 | Kirkburn | What one giveth, one can taketh away ;) |
| 21:49.32 | Hobinheim | what did i transcend? reading? =( |
| 21:51.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | wasn't there a way to buy just CD-Keys? |
| 21:51.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | From WoW-europe that is |
| 21:57.59 | Hobinheim | yeah and i'm a quillboar's uncle |
| 21:58.12 | Tepetkhet | Okay, I go now. |
| 21:58.13 | Tepetkhet | Later. |
| 22:05.23 | Kirkburn | Laggius Majoritus |
| 22:05.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gah! |
| 22:05.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | need to know where I can simply buy a CD-Key |
| 22:06.05 | Kirkburn | You can't, you have to buy a ccopy |
| 22:06.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | blizzard should offer them on their website imo >< |
| 22:06.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, know people who bought BC Cd-Key only :p |
| 22:09.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah well, will figure somehting out I guess |
| 22:10.15 | Kirkburn | Hey, my server just caught up :D |
| 22:11.06 | Bagginsww | hah hah the designers use terms for blood elves such as "evolved from high elves", "Next step above high elves" etc |
| 22:11.15 | Bagginsww | in the making video |
| 22:11.21 | Kirkburn | Metzen also called Illidan a demon |
| 22:11.29 | Bagginsww | interesting |
| 22:11.31 | Bagginsww | we should note this |
| 22:11.38 | Bagginsww | interesting stuff |
| 22:11.54 | Kirkburn | I think he was simplifying for audience though |
| 22:12.16 | Bagginsww | they also note "red skin" compared to high elves |
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| 22:14.06 | Bagginsww | ahh never mind I misheard it. they said "blood elves evolved from night elves" |
| 22:14.13 | Bagginsww | same as we already knew |
| 22:14.35 | Bagginsww | still fits into cultural evolution not biological evolution between high and blood |
| 22:17.19 | Bagginsww | ahh so the netherwelp is sent via ingame mail by "Master Handler Sylvester" |
| 22:18.50 | Kirkburn | Woo, new equipment :D |
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| 22:26.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | I want mousepad! XD |
| 22:27.38 | Tuqui-tuqui | wait |
| 22:27.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | is there a mousepad in the SE? |
| 22:27.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | is it cool looking? |
| 22:28.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | is it a pic of a hot female blood elf? |
| 22:29.06 | Bagginsww | its a very wide mousepad |
| 22:29.17 | Bagginsww | and its a map of outland |
| 22:33.34 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it's cool |
| 22:35.59 | Kirkburn | In fact, I might even use it |
| 22:36.05 | Kirkburn | I don't use mousepads these days :P |
| 22:36.35 | Bagginsww | I will continue to use my soft wrist pad one |
| 22:36.41 | Bagginsww | where is velen located? |
| 22:38.00 | Kirkburn | Not sure exactly |
| 22:38.21 | Kirkburn | Vault of Lights .. I think. Not sure though |
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| 22:41.01 | Bagginsww | well vallen is definitely blue |
| 22:41.03 | Tekkub | like... oh mah gawd becky! You are, like, so not ready for this shit... or something! |
| 22:41.11 | Bagginsww | *velen or hower its spelled |
| 22:42.41 | Bagginsww | ya he was in vault of lights |
| 22:42.53 | Bagginsww | I rand into him once in beta, but exodar still confuzzles me LOL |
| 22:42.57 | Bagginsww | *ran |
| 22:45.06 | Kirkburn | heh |
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| 22:48.20 | miceiken | Hello |
| 22:48.29 | miceiken | Any wow AddOn creation guide? |
| 22:50.41 | Hobinheim | not really a well written one |
| 22:51.15 | Hobinheim | check out our addons section |
| 22:53.26 | Bagginsww | lol misspelling in a quest |
| 22:53.37 | Bagginsww | reinforcements coming though |
| 22:55.40 | Kirkburn | Expedition Point ftw |
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| 23:33.22 | Bagginsww | LOL kirkburn, Kilwakis or whatever his name is still doesn't get it... That we can't take the view of non-official sources over what Blizzard states, and if blizzard doesn't make a statement, we can't impose our own viewpoints on issues. However that doesn't mean we can't point out controversies if they exist. |
| 23:33.58 | Bagginsww | even after luke johnson admited his view isn't official, he ignored what he said and acted like Luke cleared everything up |
| 23:38.12 | Bagginsww | http://forum.white-wolf.com/viewtopic.php?p=924719 |
| 23:39.15 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Lore |
| 23:47.38 | Bagginsww | I posted kurkburn |
| 23:47.45 | Bagginsww | tell me what you think? |
| 23:47.52 | Bagginsww | posted int he lore idea thing |
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| 23:49.29 | Bagginsww | hobin if you can, can you read it as well |
| 23:49.38 | Bagginsww | it relates to your idea of improving citation methods |
| 23:50.04 | Bagginsww | I think we need to upgrade to some kind of MLA system |
| 23:50.07 | Bagginsww | or equivalent |
| 23:50.11 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, sorry, was playing :P |
| 23:50.17 | Bagginsww | no problem |
| 23:50.53 | Bagginsww | well if you have a moment :) |
| 23:59.04 | Bagginsww | We need something along the lines that will cite material such as "*MoM Appendix III 200" |
| 23:59.24 | Bagginsww | or "DotD Ch1 134" |
| 23:59.36 | Bagginsww | an asterix means, "controversial" |
| 23:59.51 | Bagginsww | either way chapters get cited along with page numbers |
