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| 07:42.57 | Mr_Rabies | i know you don't have to relog to update addons anymore as of shadowlands, but i'm guessing you do if you installed a new one yeah? |
| 09:09.16 | nevcairiel | no, reloadui should be fine |
| 09:11.02 | Chipzz | I actually had to quit the game to get my new addon to show up, just 2 days ago |
| 09:11.18 | Chipzz | I did try /reload and that was not nough |
| 09:11.23 | Chipzz | *enough |
| 09:12.15 | Chipzz | IME what Mr_Rabies says is correct, game only picks up changes to .toc but not new addons |
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| 10:18.19 | Funkeh` | No, you can install new addons just fine. New assets in addons also. |
| 10:30.35 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: sorry to disappoint you but my test contradict your claim |
| 10:30.57 | Funkeh` | That's great but I literally just did it last week |
| 10:31.10 | Chipzz | and I literally just did it 2 days ago |
| 10:31.19 | Funkeh` | :thumbsup: |
| 10:33.00 | Chipzz | :thumbsuptoo: ? |
| 10:33.18 | Chipzz | always nice having constructive discussions |
| 10:35.05 | Ennea | pretty bold coming from you, since it really didn't seem like you wanted any sort of discussion either |
| 10:35.11 | Ennea | quite frankly, you both suck at this pretty hard |
| 10:35.29 | Chipzz | 11:31 < Funkeh`> :thumbsup: >> what an awsome reaction!!! |
| 10:35.52 | Chipzz | now THAT is what I call constructive! |
| 10:36.17 | Ennea | yet from the get go, your immediate reaction was: 11:30 <Chipzz> Funkeh`: sorry to disappoint you but my test contradict your claim |
| 10:36.32 | Ennea | when it could've been something along the lines of: hm, guess i should try this again |
| 10:36.41 | Ennea | or: hm, are you sure? i think it didn't work when i tried |
| 10:36.46 | nevcairiel | and our tests contradict your claim, guess we'll just keep reloading and you restarting :D |
| 10:36.47 | Chipzz | why should I try this again when I just did so... ? |
| 10:37.14 | Ennea | because somebody just made a claim for the opposite |
| 10:37.25 | Funkeh` | man the amount of drama that stating facts causes these days |
| 10:37.27 | Ennea | isn't it in your best interest to confirm either your or the opposite claim? |
| 10:37.37 | Ennea | confirming the opposite would be further in your best interest because it's, you know, useful |
| 10:37.44 | Funkeh` | quite simply, you either didn't test it correctly or maybe you're using the mac client and it functions different, that's your 2 options |
| 10:38.15 | Ennea | but i only occasionally pop into this channel, and it usually involves some pissing around by either Chipzz or Funkeh` or both i suppose |
| 10:38.38 | Ennea | because both of you always seem to enter any sort of exchange with at least a base level of attitude |
| 10:39.01 | Ennea | what's the point of all that? |
| 10:42.39 | Funkeh` | Ennea: I just wasn't interested in being drawn into some discusion on what is quite simply reality, I'm sorry if that came across as having attitude/offending you. It was simply "ok great" and that's all I have time for right now. |
| 10:43.24 | Funkeh` | If someone else want sto have that discussion go right ahead |
| 10:53.26 | Chipzz | http://chipzz.safehex.be/newaddon.mkv |
| 10:53.37 | Chipzz | direct evidence that I am correct and the other people are wrong |
| 10:54.26 | Chipzz | so no, new addons are NOT as a matter of fact picked up without a restart |
| 10:55.22 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: here's direct evidence that disproves your claim |
| 10:55.33 | Chipzz | black on white |
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| 10:56.46 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: if you want to proove your claim, I suggest providing direct evidence you are right instead of a "I tested it!" |
| 10:56.59 | Funkeh` | :thumbsup: |
| 10:57.15 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: sucks to have to eat your words, doesn't it? |
| 10:58.07 | Funkeh` | nope |
| 10:59.08 | Chipzz | well if you want to proove you're right by ignoring the evidence that's right in your face instead of providing your own, that just shows how mmature you are |
| 10:59.18 | Chipzz | 'nough said |
| 11:06.28 | Chipzz | Ennea: anything more I can do to disproove Funkeh`s "Claim to reality"? |
| 11:07.36 | Chipzz | he challenged me to proove I'm right, I did exactly that in a non-deniable way, and he insists in maintaining his immature attitude. Can't blame me for that... |
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| 11:19.47 | nevcairiel | i'll just join funkeh in assuming it just doesnt work on mac |
| 11:20.31 | nevcairiel | because it certainly works here on windows |
| 11:23.41 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: well, then do as I did and provide a screencast actually prooving your claims instead of just making them |
| 11:24.02 | Ennea | if it works on windows, the assumption that it just doesn't work on mac is pretty reasonable |
| 11:25.17 | Chipzz | Ennea: the claim was that it works, not that "It works on Windows" |
| 11:25.33 | Ketho | Chipzz: I can provide a screencast https://streamable.com/9gl7zd |
| 11:25.56 | Chipzz | so far I can black on white proove that at least on mac, that claim is downright false |
| 11:26.45 | Ennea | that's semantics no sane human being would try to defend |
| 11:27.04 | Funkeh` | I already stated your 2 options, not my fault you chose to ignore one of them |
| 11:27.08 | Ennea | if it's that important to you to be right about this, maybe you should rethink what you want out of this disucssion |
| 11:27.12 | Ennea | *discussion |
| 11:27.40 | Ennea | doesn't seem to work on mac, tough titties. shame, because this is a neat convenience feature that would've been nice to have 15 years ago |
| 11:28.28 | Chipzz | Ennea: I entirely disagree that that's semantics |
| 11:28.51 | Ennea | of course it's semantics |
| 11:28.57 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: you're talking about ignoring sth when you yourself choose to ignore direct evidence? laughable |
| 11:29.03 | Ennea | hurr durr, it doesn't work on mac, when clearly the claim was that "it works", not "it works on windows" |
| 11:29.11 | Funkeh` | lord give me strength |
| 11:29.13 | Ennea | nobody else would give half a shit about that |
| 11:29.41 | Chipzz | Ennea: the entre world doesn't revolve around windows, you know... |
| 11:29.55 | Ennea | no, i suppose in this case, it's only the vast majority |
| 11:30.10 | Ennea | surely you'd agree that it's relatively reasonable for most people to not take the mac client into consideration? |
| 11:30.22 | Chipzz | that doesn't justify Funkeh` dealing in absolutes like "It works" |
| 11:30.36 | Chipzz | Ennea: no, I would not agree to that at all |
| 11:30.47 | Ennea | you sure? show of hands in here, who uses the mac client? |
| 11:31.03 | Chipzz | Ennea: percentages don't matter really |
| 11:31.12 | Chipzz | what matters is dealing in absolutes |
| 11:31.26 | nevcairiel | so did you |
| 11:31.32 | nevcairiel | you full out claimed it does not work |
| 11:31.36 | nevcairiel | not qualified, absolutely |
| 11:31.54 | Chipzz | at least I provide evidence to my claim |
| 11:32.29 | Chipzz | instead of Funkeh`s "Hurr durr, that evidence doesn't fit my view of reality so I'm gong to ignore it" |
| 11:32.48 | Funkeh` | I gave you the solution without you even needing to put the effort in |
| 11:33.40 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: how is you claiming "It works" a solution to the issue of it not working on Mac? |
| 11:35.12 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: 11:42 < Funkeh`> Ennea: I just wasn't interested in being drawn into some discusion on what is quite simply reality >> using words like "reality" is going quite a bit further than what I did |
| 11:35.26 | Chipzz | talking about "absolutes" |
| 11:36.50 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: we both made the same claim, but the difference is, he took it a step further, and I provided evidence |
| 11:37.04 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: which of the two options do you consider the more mature then? |
| 11:37.11 | nevcairiel | both are immature |
| 11:37.15 | Ennea | ^ |
| 11:37.27 | Chipzz | providing direct evidence is immature? |
| 11:37.32 | Chipzz | what world do you live in? |
| 11:38.03 | Ennea | here's how this conversation could've gone, assuming _reasonable_ people: "hey, this doesn't actually work" "nope, works for me" "hm, let me try again. still not working. are you on mac also?" "nope, window" "huh, must be a mac thing" |
| 11:38.15 | Ennea | what world do _you_ live in? |
| 11:38.42 | Ennea | *windows |
| 11:38.48 | Chipzz | Ennea: sure, and both of us were guilty of it. but again, I wasn't the one to take it a step further by using words like "reality" |
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| 11:39.15 | Ennea | "oh, but it wasn't ME that blah blah blah" |
| 11:39.30 | Chipzz | Ennea: no offense, but it was Funkeh` who escalated things |
| 11:39.30 | Ennea | "i am _clearly_ not at fault here" |
| 11:39.42 | Ennea | no worries, i take no offense from lunatics |
| 11:39.48 | Ennea | get some professional help |
| 11:40.20 | Chipzz | I don't use words like "reality" to proove I'm right, I use direct evidence. That's a world I'ld rather live in |
| 11:40.43 | Chipzz | I don't see any need to seek help for providing evidence instead of escalating a discussion |
| 11:42.10 | Chipzz | facts win discussions, not empty claims |
| 11:44.08 | Chipzz | and if you want to use words like "lunatic" because I choose to provide evidence instead of using more absolutes, that says more about you than it does about me |
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| 11:53.16 | Chipzz | Ennea: and FWIW, I had no issue with you, just with Funkeh`. "12:39 < Ennea> no worries, i take no offense from lunatics" was entirely unnecesary |
| 11:56.58 | Ennea | was it unnecessary? maybe. but i'm not kidding or exaggerating. you act like a crazy person |
| 11:58.06 | Chipzz | maybe my behaviour was motivated by Funkeh`s condescending words? |
| 11:58.28 | Ennea | i did initially mention both of you, because both of you worded your responses unnecessarily shitty |
| 11:58.31 | Ennea | it's not like i singled you out |
| 11:58.46 | Chipzz | and that's why I said I had no issue with you |
| 11:58.54 | Chipzz | still don't |
| 11:59.56 | Chipzz | but I'm going to repeat myself, maybe both of us claimed "It works", but I wasn't the one to escalate it with condescending behaviour |
| 12:00.15 | Chipzz | if you want to put to blame for that on me... |
| 12:00.51 | Chipzz | Funkeh`s words, not mine |
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| 12:01.33 | Ennea | you definitely escalated it further, when you just could've.. not |
| 12:02.22 | Chipzz | Ennea: you were wondering why Funkeh` and me were fighting often, well, I think you can see why. When people act like that, I defend myself |
| 12:02.31 | Chipzz | I'm not gonna let Funkeh` shit over me |
| 12:03.05 | Ennea | there will hopefully come a point in your life where you'll realize that not giving a fuck is an excellent strategy |
| 12:03.24 | Chipzz | and frankly, every time me and Funkeh` got into such fights, it's on him because every time he acts the time shitty way |
| 12:03.48 | Chipzz | s/the time/the/ |
| 12:04.08 | Funkeh` | You must have a vivid memory because I don't even remember the last time I spoke to you |
| 12:04.21 | Chipzz | I won't let people treat me like that |
| 12:04.31 | Funkeh` | I barely speak in this channel as it is |
| 12:05.22 | Ketho | blizzard never told us why new addons can be loaded from a /reload anyway. maybe it's a bug, but I choose to believe they are adding an in-game app store but then for addons x) |
| 12:05.46 | Ennea | Ketho, that thought is quite scary, but would fit blizz/activision |
| 12:06.16 | Chipzz | Ennea: it doesn't fit with their past behaviour though |
| 12:06.32 | Ennea | blizzard has changed a lot |
| 12:07.50 | Chipzz | wouldn't they have bought twitch's addon business then instead of letting Overwolf buy it? |
| 12:08.19 | Chipzz | I mean, if the in-game store claim was likely, they had a chance to act on it, no? |
| 12:08.32 | Chipzz | and yes, I realize that was probably meant more as a joke :) |
| 12:10.09 | Chipzz | also, having their own addon store would create more work for them, and they would still have to respect the addons licenses, so I see little advantages in it for them :) |
| 12:12.45 | Chipzz | they currently don't even allow addons to have in-game ads, wouldn't having an in-game store be an almost 180 degree turn on that? |
| 12:13.26 | Ketho | times change |
| 12:13.31 | Chipzz | much more likely explanation: CrossHash (or some other dev) thought "This is just silly. Also, it slows down my own work" and they decided to fix it sounds muhc more likely |
| 12:13.49 | Chipzz | (I repeated the likely part. meh :) ) |
| 12:14.29 | Chipzz | they increase both their own and addon devs productivity. double win :) |
| 12:15.45 | Chipzz | the fact that CrossHash and other UI devs are in here when they really don't have to to me indicates a passion for their work and a desire to make a good product |
| 12:15.59 | Chipzz | don't assume malice when there's a more likely explanation IMO :) |
| 12:17.12 | Ennea | it's blizzard. given recent events and developments, going forward, i will always assume malice first |
| 12:17.53 | Ketho | didn't we get another UI dev other then Crosshash a while ago |
| 12:17.54 | Chipzz | that's on you. also, individual devs don't necessarily represent the corporate attitude |
| 12:18.17 | Ennea | Ketho, we did |
| 12:18.33 | Ennea | Chipzz, wasn't talking about individuals devs or this specific addon change either, just blizzard in general |
| 12:19.05 | Ennea | merging vicarious visions into blizzard. that absolutely butchered wc3 remake. mobile diablo. all that shit |
| 12:19.41 | Ennea | i'm cautiously looking forward to diablo 4, because the dev blog posts so far have been stellar. i'm afraid that might just be a matter of time, though, until management decides a deadline for release and various changes |
| 12:19.49 | Ennea | or we might get lucky and actually get a good game |
| 12:19.51 | Chipzz | true, but again, I think you're generalizing, which I don't necessarily think is correct |
| 12:20.19 | Chipzz | different games, different teams |
| 12:20.30 | Chipzz | and even with a game you have more than one team |
| 12:20.59 | Ennea | same management in the end. and eating vicarious visions is already a solid sign of pure mismanagement, so let's see what else we can expect from blizzard in the future |
| 12:21.26 | Chipzz | note for example how noone in here reports class imbalance problems to CrossHash or other devs in here, because we all know that's pointless |
| 12:26.53 | Chipzz | Ennea: so what would you have Blizzard do wrt WoW then? |
| 12:27.10 | Ennea | no clue, i'm out of touch with WoW and not at all interested in it |
| 12:27.21 | Ennea | so i cannot really say anything regarding WoW that holds any weight |
| 12:27.25 | Ennea | ... has any weight? |
| 12:27.27 | Ennea | english is hard |
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| 17:12.02 | Chipzz | Crosshash: hey, so I got a couple of gripes with the LFG tool |
| 17:12.27 | Chipzz | specifically the dungeon part of it |
| 17:14.07 | Chipzz | 1) why is th default dificulty setting set to Heroic? this makes no sense since if you want to run heroic dungeons, you can just use LFD. I doubt there's a lot of people wanting to form a group to queue together for LFG or go there manually given the alternatives |
| 17:15.26 | Chipzz | 2) what's worse, when you have listed a group in LFG, as Mythic/ Mythic+ (and I guess normal), and then you delist, and change the instance, the dificulty changes back to... Heroic |
| 17:16.08 | Chipzz | the 1st one is just a poor default IMO, the 2nd one, not sure if it's a bug or intended behaviour, but it sucks badly, and it has bitten me in the ass multiple times already |
| 17:16.42 | Chipzz | not getting any applicants because you're listed on Heroic which people don't search for |
| 17:17.59 | Chipzz | solution to 1) default to Mythic+ instead of default to Heroic. my guess would be LFG dungeons is mostly used for Mythic+/ Mythic0, andout of the two of them Mythic+ is probably the most commonly used |
| 17:18.21 | Chipzz | solution to 2) do not change the dungeon dificulty when changing instance |
| 17:24.37 | Crosshash | I'll mention it |
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| 18:15.39 | Chipzz | Crosshash: oh and another matter... there was a discussion in here today on whether new addons are detected on /reload or not. The conclusion was that they are on Windows, but they are not on OSX. Could this be fixed to work on OSX too? |
| 18:20.45 | Crosshash | I'll ask |
| 18:22.02 | Chipzz | do you need evidence or additional info? both me and Ketho made a screencast of OSX and Windows respectively |
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