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| 00:38.09 | znf | Oh! https://i.imgur.com/57Vyk78.png |
| 00:38.11 | znf | now we're talking |
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| 03:53.29 | znf | ah, right, 1 more follower |
| 03:53.40 | znf | troops go down again |
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| 11:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | man they gotta fix the phasing stuff in the maw |
| 11:47.09 | Mr_Rabies | there are a grand total of 4 people in the maw right now on my realm, and this quest is insne |
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| 13:24.33 | Stanzilla | foxlit: do you still need more adventure data? and is there an alpha of your addon yet? |
| 13:39.37 | znf | Mr_Rabies, it's not an "issue" |
| 13:39.38 | znf | it's intended |
| 13:40.00 | znf | I've asked Crosshash if they are aware of the "bug", and he said there's no bug |
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| 13:51.33 | znf | Anyone knows if you can mount up in any covenant? |
| 13:53.23 | AcidWeb | yes |
| 14:16.25 | Gnarfoz | znf: you're thinking of something else |
| 14:17.17 | znf | Gnarfoz, the what? |
| 14:17.22 | znf | AcidWeb, that sounds like cheating! :( |
| 14:17.59 | Gnarfoz | how is "4 people total in the Maw" related to the officially announced (hence, not a bug) "you have to group up in Oribos for max level Maw"? |
| 14:18.08 | znf | <Mr_Rabies> man they gotta fix the phasing stuff in the maw |
| 14:18.09 | znf | ? |
| 14:18.19 | znf | I'm assuming he's trying to group up, and he needs to re-zone? :P |
| 14:18.23 | znf | because there's no people around him? |
| 14:18.40 | Gnarfoz | and you're ignoring the next line because... |
| 14:18.59 | Gnarfoz | he doesn't mention grouping at all ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 14:20.00 | znf | But he said there are 4 people on his realm in the maw |
| 14:20.05 | znf | He said realm not shard |
| 14:20.28 | znf | Iirc, he's on a low-pop realm |
| 14:21.08 | Gnarfoz | yeah, and that doesn't sound related to having to go to Oribos |
| 14:21.20 | Gnarfoz | i.e. I'm not sure what he's even trying to complain about :D |
| 14:22.23 | znf | Have can't find people to do the quests with |
| 14:22.45 | znf | And without people in Perdition hold to aggro random stuff while you sneak around, it's hard to do the quests |
| 14:23.05 | znf | I don't bother grouping up there |
| 14:23.17 | znf | I just sneak around :D |
| 14:23.35 | znf | And quickly gtfo the gate when I aggro half the place |
| 14:24.29 | Gnarfoz | isn't your realm super-plus-full |
| 14:24.32 | nevcairiel | i just kill everything when I aggro half the place |
| 14:24.39 | znf | Gnarfoz: exactly |
| 14:24.59 | znf | Tough I tend to do maw at weirder hours |
| 14:25.05 | znf | So sometimes there's nobody around |
| 14:25.13 | znf | But either way, random grouping is weird |
| 14:25.38 | znf | Because people are on different progression paths |
| 14:25.59 | znf | And due to the nature of how the eye works, nobody wants to kill anything that is not needed |
| 14:27.20 | nevcairiel | random people are idiots |
| 14:27.33 | nevcairiel | killing 10 mobs that give like 6 points makes no difference |
| 14:31.26 | znf | It does matter when you are 960 on 4/5 :D |
| 14:32.34 | Gnarfoz | yeah I lost 333 stygia last night trying to kill that colossus thing |
| 14:32.50 | znf | I was 3/5, at around ~600 into 4 |
| 14:32.51 | Gnarfoz | grouped up with some guy and suddenly was at 5 >_> |
| 14:32.53 | znf | I did that quest, suddenly 5/5 |
| 14:32.56 | znf | O.O |
| 14:33.02 | znf | I gtfo'd quickly |
| 14:33.07 | Gnarfoz | didn't manage to kill it, either :D |
| 14:39.57 | nevcairiel | lost stygia as in died? couldnt you get your corpse? |
| 14:46.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I even intentionally died a bit away from the quest npc, so I could get to it, but at level 5 eye of the jailer, and having to run through perdition hold to get there... I had barely any HP left and was in combat when I reached it :D |
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| 14:50.00 | Industrial | AcidWeb: How do I use wago_update with CurseBreaker? I'm getting "Command not found." at "Detected WeakAuras:". I'm running Ubuntu Linux. Do I need some extra WeakAuras tooling in my path? |
| 15:01.33 | foxlit | Stanzilla: foxlit: do you still need more adventure data? << always. |
| 15:09.16 | AcidWeb | Industrial: Elaborate. |
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| 15:40.42 | Industrial | AcidWeb: does CurseBreaker use an api from weakauras to update weakauras? I'm not sure why I'm getting this Command not found error and where it's from |
| 15:41.25 | AcidWeb | It use wago api. And I'm also confused. |
| 15:41.42 | AcidWeb | What ouput you get when you execute that command in interactive mode? |
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| 18:38.38 | znf | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/kevsg5/gg_i_now_hate_torghast_more_than_islands_you/ |
| 18:38.39 | znf | heh |
| 18:38.41 | znf | Choregast |
| 19:02.41 | Ssateneth | i dont see the problem? |
| 19:03.02 | Ssateneth | i can 1 shot every floor just fine, just get good? not running a tank or healer. im an arms warrior |
| 19:03.24 | Ssateneth | i frequently get some power combination that lets me have nearly 100% uptime of die by the sword (100% parry chance) |
| 19:03.35 | Ssateneth | i thought every class had it like that. |
| 19:04.24 | Ssateneth | only thing that kills me are AOEing skeletons on the last floor of level 8 because they explode on death. just kite away though and let bleed dmg kill them, ezpz |
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| 19:15.34 | Boogol | you just assumed the proverbial can opener, every class has unbalanced powers that they get on most runs so it easy, which is far from the truth |
| 19:16.47 | Chipzz | Ssateneth: and what's your ilvl anyway? |
| 19:18.23 | Boogol | ilvl matters but not as much as how broken the powers the class / spec has, you can go in there at 213 and still take an hour to clear |
| 19:18.51 | Chipzz | ilvl gives you more stamina & primary stat |
| 19:18.57 | Chipzz | the stamina alone matters a lot |
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| 20:10.18 | nevcairiel | i've seen loads of people with the same spec as me complaining a whole lot and i've never had issues, and i've run a bunch, so not to discount the "git gud" factor =p |
| 20:16.40 | znf | Ssateneth, did you do Layer8? |
| 20:17.05 | znf | For me it was significantly harder as a clothie, solo |
| 20:17.14 | znf | I did do it, but those damn assasins... |
| 20:17.47 | znf | they need all my CCs and all my CDs to kill them |
| 20:18.00 | znf | that's in the first 2 floors, then I usually get some better powers, but... |
| 20:18.22 | AcidWeb | Done both 8 solo with rsham this week. |
| 20:18.28 | AcidWeb | Damage affix is brutal. |
| 20:18.33 | znf | And having to keep a mawrat in combat to not get the stupid assassin is stupid |
| 20:18.41 | AcidWeb | And working. |
| 20:18.46 | znf | Yup |
| 20:19.07 | AcidWeb | Had only one assassin during entire run. |
| 20:19.29 | znf | I have quite a few aoe stuff, so the rat ends up dying |
| 20:27.38 | nevcairiel | they are nerfing torghast anyway due to all the whining |
| 20:27.53 | nevcairiel | must defeat everything immediately, cant have something to work to improve in :p |
| 20:33.55 | znf | If you were a DPS, you'd see how retarded the Assasins were :D |
| 20:34.00 | znf | are/were |
| 20:34.02 | znf | whatevs |
| 20:34.51 | nevcairiel | I have plenty dps in my guild that managed fine :d |
| 20:36.27 | znf | like, I don't care for the rest, I was able to do it just fine myself |
| 20:36.37 | znf | but the assasins... |
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| 20:54.52 | Mr_Rabies | (9:18 am) <znf> ? |
| 20:55.20 | Mr_Rabies | quest needs group, group finder doesn't work in the maw because phasing is a nightmare |
| 20:55.40 | Mr_Rabies | and there's no one on my realm |
| 20:56.04 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying they need to fix that, even if it is intentional |
| 20:58.07 | znf | see Gnarfoz? :D |
| 20:58.26 | Gnarfoz | nothing to fix, just group up in Oribos ^^ |
| 20:59.19 | Mr_Rabies | or i'll just do what everyone else does and ignore the maw except for the weeklies |
| 20:59.52 | Mr_Rabies | i'd say phasing suddenly working differently in one zone is an issue, even if they intend for it to be one |
| 20:59.58 | znf | yup |
| 21:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | it just means they're incompetent from a design perspective, not a technical one |
| 21:00.16 | znf | it's quite annoying that the objective tracker is showing the group-up icon |
| 21:00.19 | znf | so you can find random groups |
| 21:00.23 | znf | but having to go to Thorgast... |
| 21:00.25 | znf | and then out again |
| 21:03.41 | Mr_Rabies | it's a pretty terrible zone as a whole, and i'm a druid so i don't even have the transportation issues most people have there |
| 21:04.18 | Mr_Rabies | they wanted to make it oppressive, and they succeeded so well i don't want to touch it anymore than i have to |
| 21:09.14 | AcidWeb | Well Maw is the hell. |
| 21:09.22 | AcidWeb | We should be in pain :-> |
| 21:15.59 | nevcairiel | not every content has to be for everyone, which is what people need to understand, personally i enjoy the maw and how its so very different and actually dangerous |
| 21:19.40 | Mr_Rabies | it just feels like i'm going to a level 20 zone on a level 10 character in vanilla, not exactly the dark souls vibe they were aiming for |
| 21:20.25 | Mr_Rabies | i do like it, i just wish it wasn't designed from the ground up to keep me out of it |
| 21:20.57 | Mr_Rabies | i even made a dark souls YOU DIED weakaura for when you die in the maw, lol |
| 21:21.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'm trying to get a YOU RECOVERED from when you get your stygia back but cannot figure out how to track that |
| 21:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | since as far as i can tell ingame it's treated as just gaining the currency from an object |
| 21:32.26 | AcidWeb | Detect how much you lost on death and then monitor currency changes. |
| 22:19.33 | Chipzz | 22:04 < Mr_Rabies> they wanted to make it oppressive, and they succeeded so well i don't want to touch it anymore than i have to >> I'm skipping the maw a lot too, entirely agree |
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| 22:21.05 | Mr_Rabies | it's a bit all at once in the very beginning, i think |
| 22:21.12 | Mr_Rabies | if it came a bit later i think i'd enjoy it more |
| 22:21.58 | Chipzz | the one thing that annoys me in this expansion is gearing |
| 22:22.16 | Chipzz | and I don't just mean reduced raid drops or a lack of bonus rolls |
| 22:22.29 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i love the gearing now, i hated the loot pinata expansions |
| 22:22.48 | Chipzz | if you compare even of the 3 BfA zones wrt WQs that reward gear, and then what's currently on offer |
| 22:23.17 | Mr_Rabies | that's how it should be, imo |
| 22:23.20 | Chipzz | on a good day the entire expansion has as much WQs with gear reward than one single BfA zone |
| 22:23.23 | Mr_Rabies | do the group stuff if you want gear |
| 22:23.34 | Chipzz | yeah I did M0 |
| 22:23.39 | Chipzz | 0 drops in 3 runs |
| 22:23.47 | Chipzz | every single other person in group got gear, me, nadda |
| 22:24.08 | Mr_Rabies | it sucks, but that's how it goes if you want loot to actually feel like a reward |
| 22:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | every piece of gear getting replaced every 20 minutes with a 0.0001% upgrade is a terrible system |
| 22:24.35 | Chipzz | and I feel like I'm being deprived a reward for the efforts I make |
| 22:24.43 | Mr_Rabies | and it's going to take a while to wean people off of that |
| 22:25.01 | Chipzz | I do put in the effort to run M0 and get ZERO reward |
| 22:25.01 | Mr_Rabies | but i enjoyed the game much more when that was the case, and i'm enjoying getting gear again |
| 22:25.11 | Chipzz | while the ohter druid in the dnugeon gets 2 pieces in his run |
| 22:25.21 | Chipzz | :S |
| 22:26.04 | Mr_Rabies | i think the solution there is to just drop the lockout to M0 now that keystones are out, and keep drops as they are now |
| 22:26.33 | Mr_Rabies | if you could just spam the dungeons you wanted on 0 like you can with +1 or whatever, it'd be a lot less annoying |
| 22:27.17 | Mr_Rabies | that being said a +1 isn't that much harder than a 0, and you CAN spam those |
| 22:27.46 | Chipzz | I also wish the game would actually respect the loot spec you set |
| 22:28.02 | Mr_Rabies | it mostly does, but it doesn't care about current stat priorities |
| 22:28.10 | Chipzz | I have 2 epic conduits, and that's for the 1 spec out of 4 I will never ever play |
| 22:28.25 | Chipzz | meanwhile my main spec still has a 158 |
| 22:28.28 | Mr_Rabies | conduits are their own thing, they don't share loot chance with other pieces |
| 22:28.34 | Mr_Rabies | and they only drop from certain stuff |
| 22:28.40 | Chipzz | conduits and legendaries ignore your loot spec |
| 22:28.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, because they're their own loot token seperate from the gear ones |
| 22:29.05 | Mr_Rabies | and it's rare to get multiple legendaries or conduits from the same boss |
| 22:29.32 | Mr_Rabies | as a druid i definitely can with say, huntsman altimor |
| 22:29.47 | Chipzz | no, but what's not rare is getting the wrong legendary recipes and conduits for weeks on end |
| 22:29.50 | Mr_Rabies | but once i have 1 conduit, i can't get it again, i'll get the other when it drops |
| 22:30.18 | Chipzz | I got my first good legendary recipes for my main spec 3 weeks in... |
| 22:30.21 | Mr_Rabies | honestly the legendary memories should be guaranteed drops from mythic and above, it's not like you get the actual legendary |
| 22:30.24 | Chipzz | that kind of shit really should not happen IMO |
| 22:30.48 | Mr_Rabies | i spammed spires on heroic like 20 times in a row to get a legendary just in case it ended up being the better of the two i was looking at |
| 22:31.18 | Mr_Rabies | they're guaranteed in the raids, at least, but still |
| 22:34.31 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard has made sure most of their loot systems are a total black box but as far as i can tell getting the wrong legendary memories or conduits has no impact on getting ones from other bosses in dungeons, etc, and definitely has no impact on equippable gear |
| 22:35.09 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think you can get multiple conduits from the same boss with a single kill, but those seem to be pretty sparse |
| 22:38.41 | foxlit | they're virtually guaranteed in m+ |
| 22:40.54 | foxlit | (or at least I've made no particular effort to farm them, and I have all the dungeon ones) |
| 22:55.51 | znf | *shrug* |
| 22:55.54 | znf | I did 6 bosses on heroic |
| 22:56.01 | znf | I got 1 piece of loot, which was a downgrade (legendary slot) |
| 23:23.03 | znf | Tower Sentinel's Oppressive Aura haste reduction and slow now scales up to 10% (was 25%). |
| 23:23.08 | znf | thank fuck for that! |
| 23:25.12 | nevcairiel | meh now i dont even have to pay attention anymore and just pull full rooms again |
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