| 00:11.42 | znf | When can you learn professions now? |
| 00:12.20 | znf | I just realized my banker char is lvl3 now, with engineering learned |
| 00:43.09 | Ketho | if twitch still owned curseforge I wouldn't mind drinking verification cans of MTN DEW® if it meant free prime shipping from amazon |
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| 13:20.34 | Gnarfoz | :S when Blizzard just resets your settings for no reason |
| 13:20.44 | Gnarfoz | and your WTF backup doesn't help |
| 13:20.52 | Gnarfoz | server-side settings, I curse thee! |
| 13:21.14 | Gnarfoz | beginner tooltips EVERYHWHERE |
| 13:22.03 | Kalroth | noob |
| 13:35.12 | Gnarfoz | hm, was HBAO+ ambient occlusion removed? |
| 14:02.59 | Gnarfoz | and is action cam actually still in the game? |
| 14:15.11 | nevcairiel | action cam is dead |
| 14:15.16 | nevcairiel | and the AO thign was reworked |
| 14:16.59 | nevcairiel | on any modern GPU you should probably use the AMD CACAO thing now |
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| 15:36.29 | Gnarfoz | even on nv? |
| 15:36.34 | Gnarfoz | and what does the other one do? :D |
| 15:37.19 | Gnarfoz | (ASSAO) |
| 15:38.50 | Gnarfoz | I guess HBAO+ has aged a bit, when even for nvidia the best option is an AMD thing? :D |
| 15:43.44 | AcidWeb | They are just different algorithms that provide more or less the same result. |
| 15:44.05 | AcidWeb | On modern PC AMD one is just working most efficient. |
| 15:59.06 | nevcairiel | as he says, they are pretty similar, the CACAO one is just optimized to run on compute shaders, which makes it more efficient on newer hardware, the other one is basically the predecessor to that with less hardware requirement |
| 15:59.36 | Gnarfoz | great insight, thanks |
| 16:00.06 | Gnarfoz | thought since HBAO+ was nvidia exclusive (was it?), it used some hardware AMD didn't have, or something |
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| 16:09.34 | nevcairiel | there was a recent engineer workshop article about the AO change, the only real takeaway for me was that CACAO can also run async, but they dont make use of that yet |
| 16:12.58 | Gnarfoz | "By being entirely implemented in compute, CACAO can be offloaded onto the compute queue, to run in parallel with graphics, although that has not yet been taken advantage of for Shadowlands." this sentence? |
| 16:13.07 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 16:14.36 | Gnarfoz | "On most systems, however, weâve elected to apply the reduced-resolution mode, which produces results that are nearly as good with a substantial improvement in performance across all compatible devices." - I assume there's no way to tell which is active? hmmm |
| 16:15.19 | nevcairiel | there is a variety of cvars, but i wondered about that as well and then forgot |
| 16:17.29 | Gnarfoz | "ResolvedSSAOType"? hmm who knows ^^ |
| 16:25.34 | nevcairiel | what peaked my interest was in the gx.log however, Variable Rate Shading Supported: true |
| 16:25.41 | nevcairiel | i wonder if they use that, or maybe plan to use it |
| 16:25.47 | nevcairiel | VRS can really help |
| 16:26.18 | Gnarfoz | (*piqued) |
| 16:26.30 | nevcairiel | maybe my interest level peaked? :P |
| 16:26.41 | Gnarfoz | I'd assume they use it for the "target fps" feature? |
| 16:26.51 | Ennea | your interest level peaked when reading the gx.log? :p |
| 16:26.57 | nevcairiel | no, thats not what its for |
| 16:27.58 | nevcairiel | VRS lets you vary shading quality for different parts of your scene, so you can assign more quality to foreground elements and reduce it for background where its not visible, even by the keenest eyes |
| 16:28.38 | Ennea | i wonder how well that works in a game like WoW, however. i know the latest wolfenstein does that, but in fps it's easy to set up the various areas |
| 16:28.52 | Ennea | in WoW, the areas that do not "require" a high level of shading depend on the camera |
| 16:29.47 | nevcairiel | you can move the camera in a fps typically as well, even if its by rotating your character |
| 16:30.31 | Ennea | yea, but on the 2d projection that is the viewport/screen, the areas are always the same |
| 16:30.40 | Ennea | the camera is always the same. hm. this is difficult to describe |
| 16:30.42 | Ennea | do you know what i mean? |
| 16:31.37 | Ennea | here's one of nvidia's VRS marketing images: https://pics.computerbase.de/8/5/5/6/6/2-1080.1373926156.png |
| 16:32.09 | Ennea | and the same concept can be applied to an FPS easily. but in a game with a dynamic camera, the "zones" also need to be dynamic |
| 16:32.16 | Ennea | and i'm just wondering whether that is difficult |
| 16:32.25 | Ennea | or how difficult it is, rather |
| 16:33.11 | Gnarfoz | is it really more difficult? it's not like they don't know where there camera is pointing |
| 16:34.16 | Ennea | good point ;D |
| 16:42.29 | AcidWeb | Considering general state and age of wow engine it is beyond help performance wise ð |
| 16:42.49 | AcidWeb | dx12 is already pushing it to the limits |
| 16:44.08 | Ennea | is it that bad? :D |
| 16:49.34 | Yuyuli | i don't know but they still use the same editor to make the maps etc, it's ancient |
| 16:50.23 | Yuyuli | here and there they revamp some parts of the game |
| 16:51.53 | Gnarfoz | it's not that terrible, is it? it's doing pretty damn well for its age, I'd say |
| 16:52.17 | Gnarfoz | is there some way to disable all the UI help tips? after above-mentioned settings reset, I'm getting stuff like this all over the place... https://www.hddf.eu/p/4AaRFyOZcJ.png |
| 16:53.08 | Ennea | wasn't there a setting for ui tutorials? |
| 16:53.11 | Ennea | at least back in the day |
| 16:54.13 | Ennea | might be the showTutorials cvar |
| 16:54.14 | Gnarfoz | https://hddf.eu/p/WdUy6EvtjS.png yeah, but it doesn't do that :\ |
| 16:54.35 | Gnarfoz | I think that's for actual gameplay stuff |
| 16:54.41 | Ennea | hm.. oh well :| |
| 16:55.04 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: maybe the easiest solution is to just disable all tutorials with CVar.SetBitField, or what's it called? |
| 16:55.21 | Gnarfoz | huh, never heard of that, can you elaborate? |
| 16:55.32 | Gnarfoz | (a dangerous question! :D) |
| 16:55.58 | Chipzz | C_CVar.SetCVarBitfield |
| 16:56.06 | Yuyuli | ketho has an addon or somethng that does that |
| 16:56.14 | Chipzz | the cvar that stores the tutorial settings is a long string of bits |
| 16:56.22 | Chipzz | just use a for loop to set all bits to 1 |
| 16:57.07 | Chipzz | function SetCVarBitfield(name, index, value, eventName) |
| 16:57.53 | Chipzz | (that's the signature of the stub I have for it) |
| 17:02.42 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: also, wrt server-side settings, I believe the client retrieves the timestamp for each of the .wtf files from the server and compares that to the timestamp of the local file |
| 17:02.44 | Gnarfoz | Yuyuli: thanks, https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/hidetutorial it is :D |
| 17:02.54 | Gnarfoz | Chipzz: thanks for the details, as well |
| 17:03.06 | Chipzz | so you may be able to restore your client side backup by touching the local file |
| 17:03.18 | Yuyuli | yeah that was it |
| 17:03.20 | Gnarfoz | there's a cvar that enables/disables server sync, but it's unclear which settings that covers |
| 17:04.28 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: either way, I looked into this for 3.3.5, and the server basically sends a packet containing unix timestamps for each of the .wtf files |
| 17:05.17 | Chipzz | the client looks at the timestamps for each of the .wtf files; if server > client use server settings else use client settings |
| 17:05.47 | Chipzz | so take you backup, touch the .wtf file from your backup, put it back |
| 17:06.10 | Chipzz | the touch part is essential though |
| 17:16.23 | Gnarfoz | I had already given up and fixed most of it manually =D |
| 17:16.45 | Gnarfoz | ~seen p3lim |
| 17:16.46 | purl | p3lim is currently on #wowuidev (5d 13h 51m 34s), last said: 'actually, reprepro should be designed to manage multiple codenames, and they could have this exact same issue'. |
| 17:17.02 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: any plans to update Broker_Equipment for 9.0? =D |
| 17:26.29 | p3lim | not really |
| 17:34.09 | Gnarfoz | aww :| |
| 17:34.31 | Gnarfoz | basically just a one line change, but I see you're not using it anymore |
| 17:38.37 | Gnarfoz | gah, sometimes, I hate dealing with nginx location precedence |
| 17:57.09 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: what are you using nginx for? webserver or reverse proxy? |
| 17:59.09 | Gnarfoz | in this case, web server |
| 18:00.04 | Gnarfoz | (I mean, that's really a thin line with nginx; one config directive turns it from one into the other^^) |
| 18:00.51 | Chipzz | as a reverse proxy, take a look at varnish |
| 18:01.34 | Chipzz | waaaaaay more powerfull than nginx for that use case |
| 18:04.08 | Gnarfoz | but why |
| 18:04.16 | Gnarfoz | I don't need powerful, I need useful ;-) |
| 18:04.27 | Gnarfoz | not everything calls for the biggest gun available^^ |
| 18:04.41 | Ennea | was gonna say, often simple is better |
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| 18:18.23 | Gnarfoz | nginx readily handles its reverse proxy/load balancer duties with the traffic we get, on pretty crappy hardware, so ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
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