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| 16:33.33 | MooreaTv | qq: is the issue with left vs right shift being same now in wow macros something that will be fixed or some permanent change (and if permanent/why?) |
| 16:35.35 | MooreaTv | mod:lalt vs mod:ralt too etc... ( https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/shadowlands-macro-api-bugs-improvement-wishlist/618955/10 ) |
| 16:52.19 | Gnarfoz | AcidWeb: should I be worried about "Runtime error: failed to parse wago.io data"? (I just recently started using CurseBreaker) |
| 16:53.01 | AcidWeb | Wago api probably have a bad moment. |
| 16:53.15 | AcidWeb | Unless you getting that error constantly for days ð |
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| 17:48.39 | Gnarfoz | alright |
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| 18:13.17 | Yuyuli | todays scammer on my server looking for hes meal.. yeah it's sad and im sure he will get a 900k+ today just scamming one person. https://i.imgur.com/iaeXr1D.png |
| 18:14.40 | Yuyuli | can we please have a new API for checking Flying? IsFlyingArea() has been busted for so long now, it's even more broken now and useless |
| 18:15.00 | Yuyuli | this also impact the macro conditional |
| 18:15.06 | Yuyuli | it's a long lasting issue with the pathfinder stuff |
| 18:15.12 | Yuyuli | and it hasn't gotten any better in 9.0 |
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| 18:22.59 | Crosshash | What is IsFlyingArea? |
| 18:23.26 | Yuyuli | it checks if you can fly in the current area, i mean, if it actually worked |
| 18:23.30 | Yuyuli | it's been useless for a long time |
| 18:23.42 | Yuyuli | but it's what the macro conditional to check for flying also uses, so thats also busted |
| 18:23.53 | Yuyuli | Draenor returns false now for my lvl 30 char, which can fly |
| 18:24.16 | Yuyuli | ops i meant IsFlyableArea() |
| 18:27.12 | Crosshash | where in Draenor? |
| 18:27.51 | Yuyuli | im in Frostridge, in/out garrision |
| 18:28.17 | Yuyuli | if you try to use a macro like this after you buy flying, you can't fly with this macro :P /use [flyable]Silent Glider;Midnight |
| 18:28.54 | Yuyuli | but that isn't the only issue with this conditional, it's been pretty much useless for a long time now |
| 18:29.15 | Yuyuli | because you may be able to fly in area (so it's registered as flyable) but you can't actually fly yet because of some pathfinder stuff |
| 18:29.26 | Yuyuli | or because the other funky ways the game restricts flying |
| 18:29.42 | Yuyuli | so the conditional breaks in a lot of scenarios |
| 18:29.58 | Yuyuli | same as IsFlyableArea() |
| 18:30.35 | Yuyuli | so what we really need is an API that checks if the PLAYER can fly.. and make [flyable] actually be based on that |
| 18:30.50 | Yuyuli | IsFlyableArea() is just simply put useless in the current game |
| 18:34.11 | Yuyuli | i meant check if the player can fly in the current zone, rather if the zone itself supports flying |
| 18:36.54 | Yuyuli | The game clearly already know where i can fly and where not, just give us a API for that please :> |
| 18:39.13 | Yuyuli | people will be thankfuly if they can scrap all their weird workaround for a single api call |
| 18:44.43 | Crosshash | I'm in Frostridge and IsFlyableArea returns true |
| 18:46.29 | Yuyuli | well it's not for my char im leveling |
| 18:47.34 | Funkeh` | are you sure you weren't a little too close to the garrison |
| 18:48.19 | Yuyuli | even if, it should return true.. you can fly in your garrison |
| 18:48.30 | Crosshash | Where exactly in Frostfire, outside of the garrison, is this happening? |
| 18:48.35 | Yuyuli | https://i.imgur.com/mvdsC5k.jpg |
| 18:49.25 | Funkeh` | the garrison is a magical zone where you should expect nothing to work |
| 18:49.42 | Yuyuli | doesn't matter where i am, it just returns false everywhere and the macro as expected also doesn't update because of that |
| 18:50.16 | Yuyuli | but like i said, we need an actually new api that is not this api |
| 18:50.21 | Yuyuli | but this needs to be fixed too o.o |
| 18:50.42 | Yuyuli | i can check on my main char too |
| 18:50.53 | Yuyuli | but i would assume it will work properly there |
| 18:50.58 | Yuyuli | i had pathfinder before |
| 18:51.26 | Crosshash | I have no idea where you are, I'm not an expert-level wow geoguesser. |
| 18:52.18 | Yuyuli | yeah it returns true on my main |
| 18:53.02 | Yuyuli | https://i.imgur.com/4DCOJV8.png here i am, but really doesn't matter |
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| 18:55.33 | Yuyuli | it probably only impacts new characters |
| 18:55.42 | Yuyuli | still false in Gorgrond too |
| 18:57.03 | Funkeh` | interesting |
| 18:57.07 | MooreaTv | qq: is the issue with left vs right shift being same now in wow macros something that will be fixed or some permanent change (and if permanent/why?) |
| 18:57.37 | Meorawr | Wasn't IsFlyableArea meant to mean something along the lines of "if you were somehow on a flying mount in this area you wouldn't plummet from a cliff if this returns true"? |
| 18:57.45 | Meorawr | (As in, it wouldn't be impacted by character-specific things) |
| 19:00.28 | Crosshash | FlyableArea is literally that, is this area flagged for flying |
| 19:03.02 | Funkeh` | Is it because your cahracter cannot fly there but it's adopting whatever achievement from another character? |
| 19:06.43 | Yuyuli | I wish that was actually true Crosshash |
| 19:06.55 | Yuyuli | but there are so many areas where this api returned true, but you were not able to fly |
| 19:07.01 | Crosshash | The macros issue will be fixed next patch |
| 19:07.02 | Yuyuli | thats why we use addons |
| 19:07.28 | Crosshash | IsFlyableArea will return true for Frostfire next patch also |
| 19:07.37 | Yuyuli | it returning false, when i can actually fly was new though |
| 19:09.03 | Yuyuli | thats nice, but it won't solve the issues the api already has |
| 19:09.06 | Yuyuli | ^^ |
| 19:09.23 | Funkeh` | name them individually |
| 19:09.37 | Yuyuli | we need one that checks if WE can fly in the current area, rather if the area supports flying |
| 19:09.57 | Meorawr | Any new API that checks if the player can really fly would likely be complicated by that decision being server-side; the API wouldn't be useful if it said "yes" but the server said "no" when you actually try to use the mount. |
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| 19:10.31 | Crosshash | We can look into adding a new modifier in the future, but it depends on what the client knows |
| 19:11.52 | Yuyuli | x.x |
| 19:15.14 | Mr_Rabies | aw man i hate that one of my lua errors is just (null) right now, hopefully eventual library/addon updates fix it |
| 19:18.35 | MooreaTv | crosshash- awesome news, thanks! |
| 19:19.06 | Ketho | or maybe just get someone to maintain libflyable |
| 19:19.39 | Yuyuli | but thats a workaround we shouldn't need |
| 19:19.41 | Funkeh` | null errors are great, especially in the FrameXML.log file |
| 19:19.58 | Yuyuli | even a some EVENT that tells us 'hey man you can fly here' would be a start lol |
| 19:20.42 | Meorawr | I imagine the "workaround" it employs is literally how any client-side implementation of CanPlayerOptimisticallyFly() would behave anyway :p |
| 19:22.41 | Yuyuli | but anyway like i said, these things don't help the casual people who just want a macro to work |
| 19:22.54 | Yuyuli | so need a real thing, not some lib |
| 19:24.33 | Yuyuli | i already use my own addon to not get so annoyed by mount macros not working consistently |
| 19:27.54 | Yuyuli | i only noticed the IsFlyableArea() breaking because the lib (which i copy/pasted and updated because yeah it's not maintained..) has a check in it to not bother if the area is not flyable |
| 19:33.39 | foxlit | honestly, that's a recurring theme in every expansion release that eventually gets fixed. |
| 19:35.05 | foxlit | (where by "fixed" I mean that both IsFlyableArea and [flyable] reflect current pathfinder state) |
| 19:37.07 | Yuyuli | IsFlyableAreaMaybe() xD |
| 20:01.45 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/addons/taintless << This might be useful for people using UIDropDownMenu or InterfaceOptionsFrame |
| 20:06.40 | foxlit | It's a bundle of the previous UIDD+IO workarounds that are still relevant on 9.0.1, with some minor bug fixes. |
| 20:07.32 | foxlit | Going through the UIDD bug notes yielded that one of the bugs was mitigated in 8.3.0 by having communitiesui properly initialise a dropdown before calling SetSelectedValue on it. |
| 20:08.10 | AcidWeb | Nice. |
| 20:08.12 | AcidWeb | Is yours https://www.townlong-yak.com/bugs/ have some ultra secret index? |
| 20:11.23 | foxlit | Telling anyone about it would make it less-than-ultra secret. |
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| 20:13.31 | AcidWeb | What about COMMUNITY_UIDD_REFRESH_PATCH_VERSION? |
| 20:13.33 | AcidWeb | It was fixed? |
| 20:14.11 | foxlit | That's the "one of the bugs" above. |
| 20:14.29 | AcidWeb | ah missed that line |
| 20:14.38 | foxlit | CommunitesUI no longer triggers it, so the workaround isn't useful. |
| 20:15.17 | AcidWeb | Great work. I will push it in this new form in my addons. |
| 20:15.49 | foxlit | But they haven't touched UIDD, so the same thing can occur elsewhere, which would need a different fix -- iirc the problem is that by the time I can generically detect that they've screwed up, it's already too late to save them. |
| 20:16.51 | foxlit | (the communities patch had a bunch of hooks specific to communities UI to detect the danger early enough) |
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| 21:07.50 | Chipzz | 21:10 <@Crosshash> We can look into adding a new modifier in the future, but it depends on what the client knows >> Thanks for lookng into this, but IMHO a new modifier and the current one should be fixed really. I strongly doubt anyone using the flyable modifier in any of their macros is completely happy with the current result and I think changing the behaviour will be seen more as a fix than as a break |
| 21:07.57 | Chipzz | age |
| 21:08.25 | Chipzz | *a new modifier is a workaround |
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| 21:09.11 | Chipzz | Crosshash: I also noticed a bug with incorrect scaling of follower level, I took a screenshot, lemme dig it out for you |
| 21:11.46 | Chipzz | Crosshash: http://chipzz.safehex.be/followers.jpeg >> Tattersail is 120, should be 50 |
| 21:13.30 | Crosshash | You sure it's not addon-related? |
| 21:13.59 | Chipzz | Crosshash: I have addons for WoD and Legion missions, but nothing related to BfA missions |
| 21:15.12 | Chipzz | I can check with those disabled but checking will be dependent of mission completion |
| 21:15.24 | Chipzz | I think the level error is only in the mission complete screen, not the follower list |
| 21:19.36 | Funkeh` | HTTPS Everywhere noticed you were navigating to a non-HTTPS page, and tried to send you to the HTTPS version instead. The HTTPS version is unavailable |
| 21:19.44 | Funkeh` | you know you're safe when you're going to safehex |
| 21:20.50 | Chipzz | I don't own the domain, shared hosting among friends :) |
| 21:22.01 | Chipzz | then again http://chipzz.safehex.be/ is just a random collection of stuff, not really a homepage :P |
| 21:23.03 | Chipzz | and yep, it's still as broken as the day I migrated from my old server. :) |
| 21:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | okay here's a weird one |
| 21:28.53 | Mr_Rabies | made a new character, and it refuses to let me play the character without -every- addon i have installed trying to run |
| 21:29.07 | Mr_Rabies | despite having my normal addons checked and unchecked on the character select screen |
| 21:30.31 | Mr_Rabies | i've been closing with task manager to avoid a wtf save because it turns on everything, i guess i'm just gonna have to let it do it, save, and then manually re-add addons.txt to every character |
| 21:30.51 | Mr_Rabies | really obnoxious though :/ |
| 21:31.21 | Chipzz | Mr_Rabies: maybe ACP can help you with that? |
| 21:31.40 | Chipzz | (making a backup of your addon states I mean) |
| 21:32.11 | Mr_Rabies | it might, but it's still obnoxious and potentially game-breaking for people less knowledgable at preventing things from going sideways lol |
| 21:33.01 | foxlit | maybe go through the standard windows troubleshooting: restart everything that can be restarted |
| 21:33.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's a wow issue, not a windows issue, it was doing similar on the ptr |
| 21:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | copy character-> it loads with all addons turned on |
| 21:33.47 | foxlit | (restart wow) |
| 21:34.00 | Mr_Rabies | i've restarted about 6 times now trying various workarounds |
| 21:34.08 | Mr_Rabies | but no matter what it loads this character with all addons on |
| 21:34.22 | Chipzz | "Have you tried turning it on and off again?" :PPP |
| 21:35.17 | Mr_Rabies | also apparently addon control panel is still broken for 9.0 |
| 21:35.28 | Chipzz | WFM? |
| 21:35.54 | Chipzz | what is broken for you? |
| 21:36.09 | Mr_Rabies | just looking at issues on curse |
| 21:36.49 | Mr_Rabies | gonna try it, which version are you using? release? |
| 21:37.09 | Chipzz | beta I believe, not atm my WoW PC atm |
| 21:37.21 | Mr_Rabies | oh, shouldn't matter, the alpha just adds stupid CoC bs lol |
| 21:37.22 | Chipzz | but I believe I have curse set to default to beta so probably that |
| 21:38.33 | Chipzz | Mr_Rabies: actually I also notice an issue with addons but it's very different from yours |
| 21:39.04 | Chipzz | but come to think of it that /may/ be ACP related, although probably not |
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| 21:41.44 | Chipzz | when I look at the list of addons for all characters on the GlueXML, I have addons that are disabled for all; but when I logged in to a new chracter (this was on patch day), the addon would still be loaded, and I had to specifically disable/ enable it again in the FrameXML Addon interface before it would stop loading |
| 21:42.05 | Mr_Rabies | that's not all that different than what i'm seeing |
| 21:42.33 | Chipzz | had to do that over and over again on every character, rather annoying. But doing the disable/ enable dance fixed it, so the symptoms are gone now |
| 21:42.54 | Chipzz | except for me it's "fixed" now, it doesn't reoccur |
| 21:44.38 | Chipzz | and in my case ACP /could/ have been involved, although I do not believe ACP actually loads addons, it's just an interface to the wow addon API if I understand correctly |
| 21:44.52 | Ketho | think the addon list was broken ever since beta. but it's such a breaking issue that almost nobody reported it until it hit live |
| 21:52.54 | Yuyuli | wow sure use a better builtin addon manager, with search and profiles |
| 21:53.31 | Yuyuli | needing an addon, to not make the addon manager not terrible is kinda weird d.d |
| 21:54.26 | Yuyuli | personally i use BetterAddonList for that, like it more than ACP |
| 21:58.51 | Mr_Rabies | if only i could figure out why MSA-DropDownInfo is still trying to load an older version of the library i'd be set for the most part on my addons |
| 21:59.32 | Mr_Rabies | er dropdownmenu |
| 22:00.08 | Mr_Rabies | ACP did make things a lot easier than having to do addons.txt for ever char, Chipzz, thanks |
| 22:00.16 | Mr_Rabies | every* |
| 22:00.27 | Chipzz | YW :) |
| 22:01.04 | Chipzz | It's one of the AddOns I simply don't play without, I like it a lot :) |
| 22:01.10 | Mr_Rabies | i have the standalone MSA-DropDownMenu installed, but for some reason instead of loading that, which is 1.0.11, it's trying to load 1.0.7 |
| 22:01.27 | Chipzz | It does one thing but does it very well, and is a clear improvement on the default UI |
| 22:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | i used to use it back before wow had a built in addon manager, and mostly removed it because of redundancy |
| 22:01.36 | Chipzz | Blizzard should copy it or some of its features :) |
| 22:01.57 | Mr_Rabies | i mean they already did almost exactly when they first added their addon control dealio lol |
| 22:03.48 | Chipzz | The addon grouping thing ACP does is pretty nice |
| 22:03.56 | Chipzz | actually makes the list manageable |
| 22:05.03 | Chipzz | addons like AtlasLoot and DBM with all their sub-addons... |
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| 23:08.18 | Chipzz | Crosshash: reproduced the issue without mission addons; it appears to happen after you click the chest during the ModelScene(?) animation showing the yellow flash behind the followers |
| 23:09.07 | Chipzz | correction, not after you click the chest, but during the animation |
| 23:10.04 | Chipzz | but if you don't click the chest, but close the mission interface, and then click the mission table again, the follower level will show correctly |
| 23:10.26 | Crosshash | We've already fixed a couple of bugs related to unsquished follower level displays, will be in next patch. |
| 23:10.58 | Chipzz | Crosshash: ok cool! |
| 23:14.34 | Crosshash | Oh, almost forgot. If you want to see something cool on live: |
| 23:14.40 | Crosshash | script UIParentLoadAddOn("Blizzard_HybridMinimap"); C_Minimap.GetUiMapID = function() return C_Map.GetBestMapForUnit("player"); end; HybridMinimap:Enable(); |
| 23:18.24 | Chipzz | Crosshash: nifty! :) |
| 23:26.31 | Mr_Rabies | whoa |
| 23:26.42 | Mr_Rabies | had to turn off sexymap to see it but neat |
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