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| 07:13.09 | nevcairiel | well the leveling process is special, but if you look at max level, it would be even weirder to have some old raid on max level now |
| 07:16.02 | Mr_Rabies | also i'm sure there are enough people that keep their characters at x level to do content, and the scaling screwing them out of that would be annoying, so it was probably the best option |
| 07:16.52 | Mr_Rabies | outside world gets rescaled so basically everything is 10-50 or whatever, but raids are tied to the rescaling of characters instead |
| 07:17.06 | Mr_Rabies | what are they doing about dungeons? same thing, or just like, every dungeon is 10-50 now lol |
| 07:18.30 | nevcairiel | if you pick the scaled leveling thing ("chromie time"), LFD only offers you the dungeons for the expansion you picked to level in, you can however do the others if eg. a friend with a different expansion pick invites you and signs up for dungeons. If you don't use chromie time and just level the old way, then dungeons have certain level brackets matching their zones |
| 07:18.39 | nevcairiel | which are pretty narrow now |
| 07:18.51 | Mr_Rabies | eh that's kind of a mess |
| 07:18.56 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully that gets cleaned up |
| 07:19.03 | nevcairiel | there is nothing to clean up |
| 07:20.07 | nevcairiel | in chromie time everything works as expected, you level through one expansion and get to do the dungeons in that expansion along the way |
| 07:20.16 | nevcairiel | outside of chromie time, it just works like it always did |
| 07:20.26 | Mr_Rabies | they could definitely move certain dungeons into certain brackets to open them up a bit more, and just have it so if you have a quest for a dungeon you can queue for it otherwise |
| 07:20.51 | Mr_Rabies | like how they made it so that cata and mop dungeons are all in the same bracket with wod or whatever |
| 07:21.00 | nevcairiel | thats still the case |
| 07:21.32 | Mr_Rabies | and i guess tbc/wrath share the same bracket still? |
| 07:23.21 | nevcairiel | Classic, TBC and Wrath zones (and dungeons) go up to level 30, Cata and Pandaria to 35, Draenor to 40, Legion to 45, and BfA to 50 |
| 07:23.38 | Mr_Rabies | that's not too bad then |
| 07:23.44 | nevcairiel | The leveling dungeons have overlapping start level though, some Pandaria dungeons you can do from 10, some from 25 |
| 07:24.17 | nevcairiel | jade serpent temple eg. starts at 10, brewery at 15, and so on |
| 07:24.32 | Mr_Rabies | the nightmare of repeating the starter dungeon for every expansion over and over in the queue because that had the largest pool available was awful |
| 07:26.32 | nevcairiel | there is 18 dungeon available at level 10 if you are outside of chromiue time, quite some diversity, it only goes down once you reach high level and the low level expansions become unavailable |
| 07:27.03 | Mr_Rabies | that's not bad at all, and i guess chromie time gives you some options, it's just gonna make queueing awkward |
| 07:27.13 | Mr_Rabies | maybe just have a regular queue open for folks too |
| 07:27.33 | nevcairiel | chromie time is primarily for leveling through questing, so that you can actually quest a whole expansion without needing to skip around to match level brackets |
| 07:27.42 | nevcairiel | if you want dungeon leveling, dont use it |
| 07:27.58 | Mr_Rabies | if you're in chromie time, you get a chromie time queue plus an optional regular queue or something |
| 07:28.06 | Mr_Rabies | i'm mostly just worried about queue times and stuff |
| 07:28.27 | nevcairiel | as long as the levels match they can just be thrown into the same dungeons |
| 07:29.12 | Mr_Rabies | do even the 5 level expansions take you to 50 generally in chromie time? i've been pretty out of the loop on that side |
| 07:29.25 | Mr_Rabies | mostly cause all my alts are 120 already :v |
| 07:29.27 | nevcairiel | yes, its all designed to take you to level 50 |
| 07:29.50 | nevcairiel | the 5 level expansions werent shorter, it was just a decision for them to only grant 5 level, so the levels took longer |
| 07:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | with the current scaling they're certainly shorter, but i don't think they were at the time |
| 07:31.44 | Mr_Rabies | i remember dreading cata because it seemed to take forever despite being only 5 levels |
| 07:32.31 | Mr_Rabies | and now i just do mop and it's like "wow look at that pand-- okay i guess it's time to take the dark portal again ok" |
| 07:33.08 | Mr_Rabies | even though i guess it's 10 levels if you go straight there at 80 |
| 07:33.17 | Mr_Rabies | i guess i just like it a lot lol |
| 07:33.30 | nevcairiel | thats what chromie time is supposed to fix, since its literally impossible to finish eg. pandaria without everything turning into grey quests |
| 07:34.25 | Mr_Rabies | i should probably just look at a faq instead of bombarding you with questions but i guess vanilla is just the whole thing? i dunno how you could finish all of that in the same time as like, pandaria |
| 07:34.41 | Mr_Rabies | i'd probably split it by continent or something |
| 07:34.54 | nevcairiel | zones still have level ranges and you can pick and choose which vanilla zones you do |
| 07:35.44 | Mr_Rabies | i say vanilla but more like cata leveling zones that occupy the same space as vanilla |
| 07:36.06 | Mr_Rabies | i know classic exists but since they have it moved over to the new data stuff, would be interesting to see that as an option for chromie time |
| 07:37.23 | Mr_Rabies | just have another bronze dragon, boomdormu that only gives you boomer time |
| 07:40.56 | Mr_Rabies | definitely not designed for the single player experience that most expansions have become, though |
| 07:41.38 | Mr_Rabies | that was part of why i ended up quitting playing classic - you need a group to get anything worthwhile and finding a group was a consistent nightmare |
| 07:41.48 | Mr_Rabies | especially once classicLFG was killed off :( |
| 07:42.08 | Ennea | i realize that it's not for everyone, especially those with limited time to play the game |
| 07:42.15 | Ennea | but i absolutely loved finding groups in classic :D |
| 07:42.31 | Mr_Rabies | i was a rogue, so |
| 07:42.36 | Ennea | mage here |
| 07:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | basically every group was 4 mages and a warrior lol |
| 07:42.54 | Mr_Rabies | if you couldn't aoe farm, no one wanted you |
| 07:42.55 | Ennea | searching way too damn long for a group for uldaman, then one of the players jumping off last minute, _then_ finding a last minute replacement |
| 07:42.59 | Ennea | lead to one of the most fun runs i've had |
| 07:43.09 | Ennea | you just needed to weed out the idiots |
| 07:43.14 | Ennea | i wasn't skilled for aoe either |
| 07:43.50 | Mr_Rabies | i legit spent like 6 hours a day trying to find dungeon groups and just did a shitload of quests instead because i could never get one |
| 07:44.04 | Ennea | hm, that's unlucky |
| 07:44.05 | Mr_Rabies | the mid 30s was a nightmare, as well as 50-58 or so |
| 07:44.20 | Ennea | i agree they should've just left classiclfg untouched, though |
| 07:44.20 | Mr_Rabies | and i was on skeram, which was reasonably populated |
| 07:44.31 | Ennea | didn't really hurt anybody. finding groups in lfg/world chat was a bitch sometimes |
| 07:45.16 | Mr_Rabies | and lots of quests were really rough without some dungeon gear, so i spent a ton of gold on repairs as well |
| 07:45.44 | Ennea | i actually wanted to level a rogue as well, but never did :| |
| 07:46.07 | Mr_Rabies | i think just bringing back the meeting stones as an option would have been an improvement, but i think they read the room and lots of people were complaining about group finders and lfg tools |
| 07:46.26 | Ennea | in any case, it was suuuper fun while it lasted. i did lose interest after a while, but i'm really glad classic was a thing that actually happened |
| 07:46.47 | Mr_Rabies | also lots of retail wow content killed it for me, i missed so many tiers |
| 07:46.54 | Mr_Rabies | BWL was my favorite raid and i missed it :( |
| 07:47.00 | Ennea | being in the starting zone on launch day was fucking incredible |
| 07:47.04 | Ennea | bwl was awesome :3 |
| 07:48.03 | Mr_Rabies | but like, i'm an officer in my current wow guild and we worked hard to get where we are on the server even if on a non-dead server we'd probably not be all that great with our current talent pool |
| 07:48.19 | Mr_Rabies | having to work with a stunted talent pool made us have to work a lot harder to get things done |
| 07:49.01 | nevcairiel | i could never enjoy raiding in classic, maybe if you never played vanilla, but a big part of raiding for me is to actually figure out the content and properly progress, but that content is already known to every single detail, even by me personally from playing it years ago |
| 07:49.26 | Mr_Rabies | we're still third on the server and we gave up on mythic vexiona in june |
| 07:50.15 | Mr_Rabies | but i think our core group with more mythic-level players would still do pretty well even on a competitive server |
| 07:50.16 | Ennea | nevcairiel, nostalgia played a big role for me. but even if you take that away, i just really enjoyed classic objectively |
| 07:50.30 | Ennea | i think it's a good game, with room for improvement in the endgame department |
| 07:50.38 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, all the raids are pretty much well known to every single detail by the time they come out nowadays |
| 07:50.55 | Ennea | the one thing that bothered me the most was classic's reduced rendering/server sync distance |
| 07:51.02 | Ennea | i'm still not sure what exactly they fucked up there |
| 07:51.04 | Ennea | but it felt bad at times |
| 07:51.09 | nevcairiel | not even close to classics level though, and at least I personally can moderate how much I know, and I cant forget classic raids just like that |
| 07:51.22 | Mr_Rabies | the fights are more fun, in general, unless it's a fight with a mechanic you just can't really nail, or you have one raider who 150 pulls in still blows up the blob on shad'har in the middle of the raid |
| 07:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | in retail, that is |
| 07:52.47 | Mr_Rabies | but there's something to be said for just -something to do- in the evenings that doesn't tax your guild because half the guild is overwhelmed by mythic and the other half wants us to be on mythic n'zoth already |
| 07:53.05 | Mr_Rabies | when there's only one difficulty it's pretty much just take it or leave it lol |
| 07:54.02 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully we just get flexible mythic at some point :( |
| 07:54.14 | Mr_Rabies | the 20 person hardline number is really rough on guilds on small servers |
| 07:54.37 | Mr_Rabies | i think when it opens for cross-realm it should also let you flex 10-30 |
| 07:54.49 | Mr_Rabies | by that point you're already seeing a totally different fight than the top guilds did anyway |
| 07:55.16 | Mr_Rabies | might as well just open it up for guilds like ours that slay heroic and then as we sink our teeth into mythic things get really stressful on the guild |
| 07:55.43 | Ennea | my favorite classic moment: farming small eggs when the christmas event went live |
| 07:56.01 | Ennea | i made like 200g selling those |
| 07:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | heroic was WAY too easy in pretty much all of BFA, and mythic was fine, but the player limit meant we were constantly running into personel problems |
| 07:56.58 | Mr_Rabies | good mythic-level players getting upset we weren't benching the heroic-level players, but everytime you benched someone because you were over 20, someone would gquit |
| 07:58.04 | Mr_Rabies | so you basically could only keep 20 people around at most, and if you dipped below pugging basically isn't an option in mythic past the first 2-3 bosses |
| 07:58.14 | Mr_Rabies | no one wants to get locked to a raid and not kill any bosses |
| 08:01.33 | Mr_Rabies | so they either need to increase the curve of heroic so semi-hardcore guilds don't clear it in a week or two, or make it so that there's at least a light at the end of the tunnel for guilds to have some wiggle room for mythic |
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| 18:33.46 | Gnarfoz | :S not being able to report AFKers in BGs because UI tainted >_> |
| 19:42.32 | Ennea | :D |
| 19:42.56 | Ennea | just target them and write /afk in chat ;) |
| 19:44.05 | Gnarfoz | that just sets me afk? :P |
| 19:45.25 | Ennea | :3 |
| 19:45.37 | Ennea | old malicious bg joke |
| 19:53.01 | Chipzz | kinda lame :P |
| 19:53.22 | Chipzz | it's like telling people lights will start flashing in their IRC client when they type /disco :P |
| 19:57.46 | Ennea | rather, it's like that one time a bunch of friends of mine told another mutual friend - when he asked how to change his nick - to do it via /quit <nickname> |
| 20:10.02 | Chipzz | they should have used /gquit :P |
| 20:10.19 | Chipzz | or are you referring to IRC? |
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