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| 07:48.09 | Elmoe | curse thinks toc with interface 11303 is game version 8.2.5 instead of 1.13.3 sigh |
| 07:54.05 | Mr_Rabies | what do you think they got amazon money or something to hire competent coders |
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| 09:04.51 | Yuyuli | i still havent toc bumped my classic addons, it's really unfortunate that the twitch client is in such a shit condition right now considering thats how most ppl get their addons now |
| 09:06.23 | Ennea | it has been in a shit condition ever since the classic launch, honestly |
| 09:06.41 | Ennea | wasn't it like two weeks after that the first users got classic addons on retail and vice versa? |
| 09:07.01 | Yuyuli | yes since classic launch, and thats been quite a while ago :\ |
| 09:07.17 | Ennea | yup~ |
| 09:08.57 | Yuyuli | It really just feels like they hacked together both the website/twitch client overnight and then haven't done anything since that |
| 09:09.36 | Ennea | wouldn't surprise me if that were the case, yea |
| 09:10.08 | Mr_Rabies | tbh curse client has been garbage in one way or another for like 10 years |
| 09:10.37 | Yuyuli | yeah but it has never been in such a bad state |
| 09:11.02 | Yuyuli | think the worst tme was when curse tried to be a messenger, so for a short time we got a really funky client |
| 09:11.14 | Mr_Rabies | ads when it had ads, ads and broken functionality in the "new" curse client, further broken functionality in the new new curse client, and now hilarious bugs that no one is bothering to fix in the twitch client |
| 09:11.15 | Yuyuli | with autoupdates being premium n stuff like that |
| 09:11.32 | Ennea | i can't remember why, but i always hated the curse client ever since it started existing |
| 09:11.36 | Ennea | so.. yea, agree with Mr_Rabies ;p |
| 09:12.04 | Mr_Rabies | the short period where they worked out most of the bugs on the "new" client and gave us some time with no ads was basically the only time it was really good |
| 09:12.04 | Yuyuli | im now using cursebreaker from acid, sure no fancy ui but at least it works xD |
| 09:12.34 | Yuyuli | if i want to browse for addons i just look on the website, i just got rid of the client, it's just terrible |
| 09:12.46 | Mr_Rabies | i've got guildies that swear by wowmatrix and i'm almost tempted but i can't really trust it |
| 09:13.05 | nevcairiel | i never have issues with the curse client, i just launch it once a week to update addons or so, i just don't understand people that have it running 24/7 and stuff like that |
| 09:13.14 | Ennea | i just manually update all my shit and use wowinterface to download it all |
| 09:13.21 | Ennea | i never understood how people could stand curse |
| 09:14.16 | Ennea | Mr_Rabies, the overly specific "our software is secure!" statements of wowmatrix really make it seem shady as fuck :D |
| 09:14.32 | Yuyuli | i don't play classic so the bug isn't even an issue for me, just other annoyances like it not refreshing properly or unable to remove a old location from the UI easily |
| 09:14.46 | Mr_Rabies | it goes the other way sometimes too, Yuyuli |
| 09:14.59 | nevcairiel | i also dont move my WoW install around on a daily basis, i must be special :D |
| 09:15.05 | Mr_Rabies | occasionally some hiccup will happen and it'll dump the classic version of addons into bfa |
| 09:15.10 | Yuyuli | but there is some bug where if you use different filenames for classic/live, it will confuse them. |
| 09:15.20 | Yuyuli | god knows why |
| 09:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | i don't use the auto update or leave it running because leaving it running breaks a lot of stuff, and autoupdate is just a terrible idea lol |
| 09:16.07 | Mr_Rabies | with rare exception, stuff with automatic data updates etc are probably safe |
| 09:16.15 | Mr_Rabies | stuff like raider.io, TUJ, etc |
| 09:19.22 | Yuyuli | i only have like 1 addon i think that us classic/retail, but i didn't seperate them into two projects and instead made the Code dynamically compatible, so even if shows as 'old' in the UI, it will work. |
| 09:19.44 | Yuyuli | so the classic/retail switch issue, is not that big of a deal, just a UI annoyance for mine at least |
| 09:24.03 | Yuyuli | but would certainly be better if they fixed that :D |
| 09:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | that'll work for now at least |
| 09:24.38 | Mr_Rabies | but nonzero chance classic and current wow api diverge quite a bit over time |
| 09:24.50 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure they're trying to minimize how much but you never know :o |
| 09:25.13 | Mr_Rabies | apparently the teams aren't really talking a lot, or weren't until launch at least |
| 09:25.22 | Mr_Rabies | that may have changed |
| 09:27.01 | Yuyuli | yes ofc, if it ever comes to a point (for this particular addon) where it becomes way to messy to maintain (it's already kinda eh) il seperate it, at which point hopefully this bug is long gone :D |
| 09:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | you might like to know that apparently gene simmons puts ice in his cereal |
| 09:30.09 | Mr_Rabies | my brain can't process that right now and i suddenly got very tired |
| 09:31.25 | Ennea | classic team seems to be focused on breaking api that can be easily replicated using addons :p |
| 09:31.32 | Ennea | so they're not just wasting their time, but ours as well |
| 09:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | https://twitter.com/genesimmons/status/1212577821140369409 i can't handle this at 4:30 am good night everyone |
| 09:36.34 | Ennea | g'night o/ |
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| 12:18.55 | jadiilelz | Just out of curiosity, why are so many people still using the curse client? I thought that was the supported. I personally use the twitch client and I donât have any problems |
| 12:21.18 | nevcairiel | they mean the twitch client when they say that |
| 12:21.20 | nevcairiel | i hope :p |
| 12:31.18 | jadiilelz | ðty |
| 12:35.00 | Gnarfoz | I bet there's some who call it the Amazon client because they don't understand how companies work :D |
| 12:44.10 | foxlit | I don't quite understand why curseforge still exists. |
| 12:44.27 | mikma | for your inconvenience |
| 12:45.04 | foxlit | Well, I am enjoying their free unlimited bandwidth |
| 12:45.59 | foxlit | ... but that has to be a loss-making exercise in a market that can't possibly exist. |
| 12:47.37 | foxlit | (ie they can't charge money for things without incurring the wrath of everyone involved) |
| 12:49.25 | Gnarfoz | maybe the other variants (for other games) of curseforge make money? ð¤·ââï¸ |
| 12:52.19 | foxlit | maybe the Mountain Dew GamerFuel(tm) ads are really lucrative |
| 12:54.05 | mikma | lubrative, nyah nyah |
| 12:55.08 | nevcairiel | ads do make a lot of money if you have enough traffic |
| 12:56.32 | nevcairiel | look at the elvui people, for example, when they pulled out of curse at some point, one of the argument was that they wanted to make more money with ads, so apparently it works for them, why not for curseforge |
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| 13:04.13 | Gnarfoz | I mean, Curse was ultimately basically an ad agency, so, they probably know how to make it work :D |
| 13:04.39 | Ennea | i'm not yet convinced the people at curse know how to make anything work :p |
| 13:06.12 | foxlit | Anecdote: on WoWI, I haven't been able to view any addon screenshots but the first for a decade now. |
| 13:10.00 | foxlit | (a JS interaction with ad blocking; the "View X Screenshots" link just leads directly to the first image) |
| 13:16.10 | foxlit | (so for all the shit I complain about with Curse, at least that basic functionality still works) |
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| 13:18.11 | Ennea | foxlit, what adblocker do you use? |
| 13:18.31 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.41 | Ennea | oh.. o.O |
| 13:18.42 | Chipzz | foxlit: have you considered greaemonkey (in case you use firefox)? |
| 13:19.09 | Ennea | i guess wowi uses lightbox or whatever it's called. image viewer thingy |
| 13:19.26 | Ennea | iirc it just sticks to image links. so if it doesn't load, you just have the image link instead |
| 13:19.59 | foxlit | It loads and promptly crashes because the ad didn't load and it tries to interact with it |
| 13:20.18 | Ennea | wait, what tries to interact with the ad? i'm confused |
| 13:20.22 | foxlit | at which point the default behavior kicks in and opens the direct link |
| 13:20.53 | Ennea | i dunno, it's working fine for me. i use ublock origin though |
| 13:20.56 | Ennea | so different solution |
| 13:21.12 | foxlit | Back in the days of flash ads and ie6, layering between the plugin and the lightbox was a problem |
| 13:21.32 | foxlit | So it tries to hide the ad before opening the lightbox |
| 13:21.42 | foxlit | If there is no ad, things explode. |
| 13:22.02 | Ennea | hm |
| 13:22.08 | Ennea | that makes sense i guess |
| 13:22.15 | Ennea | but the ad is just a dom element also, right? |
| 13:22.30 | Ennea | i'm not sure if ublock just gets rid of any dom elements, or if it only hides them |
| 13:23.22 | foxlit | I don't remember what exactly it was looking for; might have been an element created by the ad JS. |
| 13:24.02 | Chipzz | foxlit: as suggestd above ^^^ greasemonkey? but you didn't answer my question about what browser you're on |
| 13:24.58 | Chipzz | not sure if you could fix it that way, maybe ad blocker runs before GM, but might be worth a shot |
| 13:25.10 | foxlit | Chipzz: I am not particularly interested in solving the problem locally - I don't actually use wowi. |
| 13:26.01 | Chipzz | foxlit: OTOH I doubt the wowi devs (if you know how to contact them in the first plac) will be receptive to a bug-report that involves an ad blocker :) |
| 13:26.50 | foxlit | https://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45870 << they know. |
| 13:30.16 | Chipzz | oh wait, Cairenn was involved in that thread? didn't realize |
| 13:46.12 | foxlit | heh, it's mac-specific. |
| 13:48.00 | foxlit | (looking for an iframe inside the div if navigator.userAgent contains both "apple" and "mac") |
| 13:49.47 | Ennea | ahh |
| 13:49.53 | Ennea | what the heck.. |
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| 17:17.03 | Cairenn | "(8:26:02 AM) Chipzz: foxlit: OTOH I doubt the wowi devs (if you know how to contact them in the first plac) will be receptive to a bug-report that involves an ad blocker :)" o.O It's not frigging hard to figure out 'how to contact' us. Let's see here - IRC, Discord, "contact us" email on the websites, PMs on the websites, threads in the site bug report forums on the sites .... |
| 17:18.05 | Cairenn | What more do you want? Us to publish our personal phone numbers and home addresses? |
| 17:20.36 | Gethe | hugs Cairenn |
| 17:20.45 | Cairenn | hugs Gethe |
| 17:21.15 | Gethe | :D |
| 17:21.38 | Ennea | if i happen to get your home address, Cairenn, i'll send you a card ;p |
| 17:23.10 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:27.09 | Ennea | by the way: when classic released, i was pretty surprised wowi still looked the same, mostly. did you ever consider a new look or anything like that? |
| 17:35.53 | Cairenn | Not really - because it covers both versions |
| 17:37.29 | Ennea | sorry, didn't mean a new look for classic or anything |
| 17:37.38 | Ennea | i just think it's cool to still have it look the same |
| 17:37.48 | Ennea | most other websites i frequent have changed their look at least once in the last 10 or so years |
| 17:38.00 | Cairenn | oh, yeah, I get what you mean |
| 17:39.20 | Cairenn | we usually change up the logo and background to match whatever is the latest expansion on retail, but otherwise, no, we haven't changed up in quite a while |
| 17:40.05 | Cairenn | some people are of the school that - you need to keep it fresh; others are of the - damnit, I hate it when people change things just for the sake of change, now I can't find anything |
| 17:40.26 | Cairenn | like when your usual grocery store rearranges their shelves |
| 17:40.45 | Ennea | or only parts of their shelves, which mine did recently \o/ |
| 17:40.54 | Cairenn | nod |
| 17:41.25 | Cairenn | in a lot of ways, I'm of the second school of thought, but then again, I'm all old and shit |
| 17:41.32 | Ennea | hehe |
| 17:41.50 | Ennea | i don't think it has anything to do with age. just look at the masses going wild whenever youtube changes their layout/design again |
| 17:42.00 | Cairenn | right? |
| 17:42.06 | Ennea | although in that case i get it. if we still had old youtube look and feel now, it would look old as hell |
| 17:42.31 | Ennea | but i remember the last time they changed just the little popup for sharing the video.. it's like they don't even finish their shit before pushing it to production |
| 17:42.40 | Ennea | it didn't even have the "share at this moment" checkbox for a day or two |
| 17:46.14 | Cairenn | That's what a lot of it comes down to, though - we've had more or less the same basic layout on all 9 of our sites since we opened the first 1 back in 2002 - people are comfortable with it, it's easily navigable |
| 17:46.41 | Ennea | yea, it's a nice layout |
| 17:46.48 | Cairenn | (and it's easy to figure out 'how to contact us' on them :p) |
| 17:48.35 | Ennea | long live websites that still have a footer :p and no infinite loading that will constantly push it down even further, lol |
| 17:48.50 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:50.58 | Chipzz | Cairenn: I often forgot this channels link with wowi |
| 17:51.39 | Cairenn | Chipzz: ;) |
| 17:51.46 | Chipzz | Cairenn: which is why I said the sentence below that |
| 17:52.19 | Chipzz | Cairenn: it certainly wasn't meant as a dig at you |
| 17:52.21 | Cairenn | I know |
| 17:52.33 | Cairenn | Sorry, cat interrupted sentence |
| 17:52.54 | Ennea | cat \o/ |
| 17:52.55 | Cairenn | It's all good, it was also the first thing I saw when I woke up, didn't read the full thing |
| 17:53.13 | Cairenn | So apologies for being grumpy |
| 17:53.15 | Ennea | how many, how old, what color fur? :3 |
| 17:53.50 | Cairenn | 2, both 8, tuxedo and dark tabby |
| 17:55.00 | Ennea | :) |
| 17:55.14 | Ennea | i have a red one. kinda looks like slimmed down garfield |
| 17:55.18 | Ennea | he's gonna be 4 this year |
| 17:55.32 | Chipzz | Cairenn: and my apologies too :) |
| 17:56.18 | Cairenn | accepted |
| 17:56.22 | Cairenn | hugs Chipzz |
| 17:56.37 | Cairenn | Ennea: awww |
| 17:56.57 | Ennea | i'll provide photos later if i don't forget about it |
| 18:01.29 | nevcairiel | better feed it first, we like our garfields in garfield shape |
| 18:01.40 | Cairenn | hehehhehe |
| 18:05.50 | Ennea | not going there :p |
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| 19:57.48 | Mr_Rabies | well that was kind of an interesting dream for the wrong reasons |
| 19:58.20 | Mr_Rabies | i had a dream that i hearthed in classic and it took me to the garrison area in draenor, and i told you guys about it lol |
| 20:26.51 | Cairenn | odd |
| 20:36.26 | Mr_Rabies | i have lots of mundane dreams that could happen in reality and some of them i have to remind myself didn't actually happen because of how mundane they are lol |
| 20:37.32 | Mr_Rabies | i've had dreams where i've gotten mad at website layouts changing and adding a ton of wasted space and zooming all the text in, stuff like that lol |
| 20:40.25 | Gnarfoz | I mean, I sometimes envy people who can actually recall for longer than 5 minutes what they dreamt |
| 20:40.39 | Gnarfoz | but I guess that excludes you :P |
| 20:41.35 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure i forget most of mine but there was a short period of time where i took melatonin to help sleep |
| 20:41.45 | Mr_Rabies | and that induced the most insane lucid dreams almost every night |
| 20:42.17 | Mr_Rabies | i had a dream where everyone on earth but me was turned into giant slugs, and i was in some kind of dark landscape with eyes all over the mountains |
| 20:42.33 | Mr_Rabies | and i could guide myself through the dream like i was playing a game, it was wild |
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| 20:43.13 | Ketho | that's some junji ito shit |
| 20:43.16 | Mr_Rabies | somehow found a walmart with another normal human and we started gathering slug-people up in shopping carts trying to figure out how to turn them human again |
| 20:43.51 | Mr_Rabies | then back to the dark landscape where a version of my normal front door, but with a mail slot, and about 1000 feet tall, has a letter fall through the mail slot that opens itself up |
| 20:43.55 | Ennea | fuck yea junji ito |
| 20:44.23 | Mr_Rabies | and a booming voice says "dormammu has spoken" and this was before i was really that aware of dormammu the marvel character, mostly just knew the name |
| 20:44.38 | Ennea | ._. |
| 20:44.38 | Mr_Rabies | so i stopped taking melatonin after that |
| 20:44.47 | Ennea | i can remember two past dreams |
| 20:44.53 | Ennea | because i made myself remember after waking up |
| 20:45.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah that was one i was like |
| 20:45.07 | Mr_Rabies | i gotta remember this insane thing |
| 20:45.08 | Ennea | both had super cool scenery inside them, so when i woke up i was just sitting up in bed, concentrating hard |
| 20:45.12 | Ennea | "remember this, remember this!" |
| 20:45.16 | Mr_Rabies | let me commit as much as i can remember to memory lol |
| 20:45.19 | Ennea | yea! |
| 21:08.35 | harl | is there an alternative to the twitch client? (except for manually keeping my addons up to date) |
| 21:09.24 | Ennea | wowmatrix i guess |
| 21:10.17 | Gnarfoz | that name is tained beyond all hope |
| 21:10.20 | Vardex | I use CurseBreaker https://github.com/AcidWeb/CurseBreaker |
| 21:10.28 | harl | ah yea, forgot about wowmatrix.. had some issues with it in the past |
| 21:10.41 | Ketho | also a list of addon managers here https://github.com/ogri-la/wowman#maintained |
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| 21:12.01 | Ennea | Gnarfoz, is it? |
| 21:12.02 | harl | thanks guys |
| 21:13.55 | Gnarfoz | Ennea: yes, they're the ones who stripped license and copyright notices out of addons and distributed modified versions without author consent and even went as far as refusing to stop when asked |
| 21:14.08 | Ennea | ah, that's interesting |
| 21:14.16 | Gnarfoz | also, they did so while serving their own ads but serving (unmodified) addons straight from Curse and WoWI's infrastructure |
| 21:14.31 | Ennea | are they still doing any of that? |
| 21:14.35 | Gnarfoz | (until those more or less successfully played the cat & mouse game and stopped them) |
| 21:15.09 | Gnarfoz | the latter, probably not; the former: idk, they disappeared for some time and have been more of a low-key player since then? |
| 21:15.24 | Gnarfoz | I'm not up to date what they're up to these days |
| 21:16.28 | Ennea | i always find it funny how overly specific their info about their own security is |
| 21:16.41 | Ennea | "WowMatrix is a 100% FREE WoW AddOn Installer and Updater |
| 21:16.41 | Ennea | that's completely safe to use and contains no keyloggers or spyware." |
| 21:17.18 | Ennea | that's enough to make me not want to use it :D |
| 21:17.27 | harl | ôo |
| 21:17.43 | Gnarfoz | probably just a matter of not-perfect English |
| 21:18.00 | Ennea | i feel like even as a non-native speaker, you can see how sketchy that shit sounds :D |
| 21:19.54 | Ennea | "this harmless medicine will definitely not liquefy your organs!" |
| 21:24.10 | Gnarfoz | I wonder if that "woman" updater was made intentionally to not work on Windows? it's one of only two on its own list of updaters that doesn't, and its even written in Java? |
| 21:27.56 | harl | well.. wowmatrix blatantly features ads for their ominous "hayden hawke" and "her" scammy "guide" shit.. |
| 21:29.55 | harl | anyway, just my opinion about that kind of selling non-information |
| 22:10.26 | foxlit | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SuspiciouslySpecificDenial |
| 22:10.44 | Gnarfoz | ye olde overly specific dementi |
| 22:10.54 | foxlit | (but to be fair, there were a lot of people going "that updater will definitely kill your cat.") |
| 22:14.56 | Ennea | the people behind the updater claiming otherwise does not make it seem any better though ;p |
| 22:18.55 | foxlit | also https://xkcd.com/641/ |
| 22:20.26 | Ennea | :D |
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