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| 21:58.30 | MooreaTv | https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/classic-patch-1-13-3-lua-api-change/384543 - can we not do that? this is going to break my multiboxing addon and I suppose RP addons too (I use a custom channel to form the party) - can we limit it to forbid it on channels > 10 (or 5) |
| 21:59.33 | nevcairiel | what would that limit do? addons would just force themself into an early channel |
| 22:00.22 | nevcairiel | And for RP addons I reckon the say/yell stuff is designed for, if they eg. exchange RP profiles, they likely only need it in proximity |
| 22:08.35 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> sometimes but it will effectively kill totalrp3 in custom channel |
| 22:08.45 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> if it gets to retail |
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| 22:09.25 | Meorawr | Nah, we're mostly unaffected. Just player discovery via map scans would be lost. |
| 22:09.54 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Oh? I thought the profile gets sent through the channel? |
| 22:10.32 | Meorawr | Back in ye olden days, but that changed some time ago. |
| 22:12.26 | Meorawr | We're gonna use the YELL stuff they're adding to replace the CHANNEL comms for player scans, which would probably be fine for the vast majority of use cases for the people who use that feature. |
| 22:12.42 | MooreaTv | well I do use a private channel... |
| 22:12.50 | Meorawr | Would be nice if the SAY/YELL addition were brought to retail. |
| 22:17.28 | Ennea | hm.. say/yell instead of channel |
| 22:17.31 | Ennea | i'm strangely fine with that |
| 22:17.41 | Ennea | MooreaTv, you're multiboxing? just use party/raid/guild? o.O |
| 22:18.32 | MooreaTv | Ennea- I use the channel for registry/discovery of which toons I happen to have logged in, in order to create the party |
| 22:18.50 | kd3 | are they not all in the same guild? |
| 22:18.59 | Ennea | ^ |
| 22:19.29 | MooreaTv | well mine are but that's not all my users cases and wasn't a requirement before. also I secure the channel with a password... gchat isn't |
| 22:19.49 | Ennea | eh.. well |
| 22:21.05 | Ennea | what i find much, much worse |
| 22:21.11 | Ennea | lua is written "LUA" in that thread title :) |
| 22:24.37 | nevcairiel | community managers are not experts of them moons |
| 22:46.32 | MooreaTv | also > The World of Warcraft Classic executable file on your PC has been renamed. |
| 22:46.32 | MooreaTv | renamed to what? that also will break stuff |
| 22:48.18 | nevcairiel | probably to differentiate it from the retail client, the name will be revealed tomorrow |
| 22:48.55 | Ennea | how will that break stuff? o.O |
| 22:49.00 | Meorawr | Breaks #nochanges. |
| 22:49.19 | Ennea | that has been broken already |
| 22:49.21 | MooreaTv | isboxer launches the N client you need for your N accounts direcly |
| 22:49.24 | Ennea | vanilla had WoW.exe, classic has Wow.exe |
| 22:49.49 | MooreaTv | windows isn't case sensitive so that doesn't matter |
| 22:49.51 | Meorawr | I expect to see a deluge of 20 minute youtube videos detailing in depth the impact of the name change on the executable and how it's ruining the game. |
| 22:50.08 | Meorawr | iirc can't NTFS be set to use case sensitivity now as of Windows 10? |
| 22:50.41 | MooreaTv | which is a great way to break everything if you do |
| 22:50.49 | nevcairiel | NTFS is basically always case-sensitive, the OS just doesnt treat it like that |
| 22:51.18 | Ennea | MooreaTv, doesn't change the fact the name of the exe is different now than it was back then ;p |
| 22:51.21 | nevcairiel | but i think they made it possible in the kernel for WSL |
| 22:51.52 | nevcairiel | which is also why they warn you to keep windows explorer outside of the directories that store the linux files for WSL :P |
| 22:52.13 | MooreaTv | I don't care about "back then" - 1.12 and 1.13 are unrelated anyway; I care about breaking changes like directory renames, deleting symlinks etc |
| 22:52.16 | Ennea | as long as i can do stuff from WSL inside regular windows folders i'm good |
| 22:52.50 | MooreaTv | breaking since classic's release. api changes... |
| 22:52.52 | Ennea | sorry moorea, i don't care what you care about. was just playing along with Meorawr |
| 22:55.52 | nevcairiel | WoW (or any game) has never and will never be a static system, it evolves and changes, and you either follow it or you give up |
| 22:56.53 | nevcairiel | even bothering to complain about the executable change seems silly to me, its a 10 second fix in whatever uses it :shrug: |
| 22:57.16 | znf | So, who wants to bet that will "leak" into retail? |
| 22:57.35 | Ennea | znf, what, the api change? |
| 22:57.46 | znf | mhm |
| 22:57.49 | Ennea | hm |
| 22:57.57 | Ennea | they don't have a good reason to port that to retail, do they? |
| 22:58.06 | Ennea | i mean, addon say/yell on retail would be neat as well i assume, but removing channels |
| 22:58.27 | MooreaTv | given you have to handle changes on behalf of thousands of end users you should know better than "its a 10 second fix". it's also a pointless change and not even telling what the change actually is |
| 22:58.30 | znf | They didn't really have a good reason to fix nameplate drawing distance on retail after they realized they screwed it up on Classic, yet here we are |
| 22:58.31 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> channels isn't widely used so it would make sense |
| 22:59.28 | Ennea | znf, good point |
| 22:59.44 | znf | In case you are not aware - when that 20 yards nameplate "fix" went live on Classic, they also made Retail to be 60 yards |
| 22:59.53 | znf | ie: you can't even lower it anymore |
| 22:59.55 | Ennea | yea, i'm aware |
| 22:59.59 | Ennea | that is weird for sure |
| 23:00.12 | Ennea | and that fix was shoddy anyway |
| 23:00.20 | znf | You a multi-dot class that can only target stuff at 40 yards? Enjoy seeing nameplates 60 yards away for no reason |
| 23:00.54 | nevcairiel | this is what happens if someone spreads an exploit, you get a quick fix that breaks the exploit and everything else too. but people will n ever learn that their 2 days of fun are just not worth it |
| 23:01.17 | Ennea | nevcairiel, in this case, i feel like a proper fix would've been just as simple.. |
| 23:01.21 | znf | I would expect more than a knee-jerk reaction from a multi-million (billion?) dollar company, just saying |
| 23:01.35 | nevcairiel | people always use that as an excuse |
| 23:01.40 | nevcairiel | but its not really how the world works |
| 23:01.48 | nevcairiel | no matter how big a company, one guy gets a task to fix it |
| 23:02.00 | nevcairiel | and a big "urgent" "do it yesterday" marker |
| 23:02.15 | Ennea | and that guy decided to hardcode the values instead of evaluating them properly? sad D: |
| 23:02.33 | znf | I mean, how hard would it be to sanitize the input properly? I realise the WoW code is basically a lasagna at this point - past Spaghetti - but, really? |
| 23:02.38 | Ennea | granted, maybe their cvar code didn't allow for it.. |
| 23:02.53 | znf | oh well |
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| 23:06.38 | Industrial | Hi. |
| 23:06.54 | Industrial | Should I level like this: https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warlock/0500250510201135--52500051020001 |
| 23:07.22 | Industrial | Basically SM/Ruin with Curse of Exhaustion |
| 23:08.36 | Industrial | I'm wondering at what level I could rely on Drain Life and Siphon Life and Corruption and get Shadow Bolt procs from Nightfall |
| 23:08.48 | Industrial | So then do I really need Curse of Agony? |
| 23:09.34 | Industrial | Can you use Curse of Exhaustion to effectively kite mobs as a warlock? or is it only useful in pvp against melee |
| 23:10.25 | Industrial | If it's not useful I could take full Suppression instead .. I don't know =) |
| 23:15.48 | nevcairiel | in my experience levelign a warlock, you rarely want to run a full rotation due to mana constraints, its much faster to just use basic dots and wand them down, and go on to the next mob, instead of having to drink in between |
| 23:17.52 | nevcairiel | and if you expect your pet to tank and actually hold aggro, i would recommend some points into the void walker improvements. if you want to tank yourself and use the imp for damage, of course thats something else |
| 23:18.21 | Industrial | I tend to not use immolate due to its high threat and use corruption and agony and wand it. Most times I still pull aggro tho. |
| 23:26.16 | Industrial | But I'm not so high level yet :D 28 now |
| 23:33.01 | Industrial | I really like lock. My main is hunter now. |
| 23:33.38 | Industrial | I hope at some point I can do so much drain damage (I guess L30 Siphon Life helps) |
| 23:33.57 | Industrial | that I can keep Life Taps up and just keep going :D |
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