| 00:07.46 | foxlit | it fits thematically in this case; outdoor content is generally more vibrant and has less fog. |
| 00:09.09 | foxlit | the first 35s is the boss intro cutscene, which you basically see only once, ever. |
| 00:11.37 | foxlit | (I don't really begrudge them the resolution on that flight unit metal texture, since you'll basically never see it again from that distance) |
| 00:12.03 | nebula | i do wish ffxiv used higher res textures everywhere |
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| 02:46.47 | jadiilelz | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dFo8vA10/ |
| 02:47.00 | jadiilelz | thoughts wanted |
| 02:48.01 | jadiilelz | only happens when clicking guild/communities tab after making the calling/offending function |
| 02:53.13 | jadiilelz | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/cDo21L2T/ |
| 02:53.29 | jadiilelz | ty all! lmao |
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| 06:40.33 | nevcairiel | I agree with znf that the graphics are weird. The characters are rather high-def while the world seems low-def, so they look rather out of place |
| 06:41.35 | nevcairiel | also the character movements feel stiff |
| 08:04.12 | Ennea | doesn't apply to most of the world. i find it quite beautiful: https://i.imgur.com/vjpOHF5.jpg |
| 08:06.10 | nevcairiel | imho its too deep into uncanny valley, it looks like a bad mixture of trying-to-be-real and fantasy, but tastes differ |
| 08:07.54 | Ennea | ah, well |
| 08:08.05 | Ennea | i think you just described final fantasy quite well ;D |
| 08:08.28 | nevcairiel | well i dont like that sort of style |
| 08:08.51 | nevcairiel | either stick to a full fantasy world, even if its a bit less hi-def like wow, or try harder to look real |
| 08:09.20 | nevcairiel | like modern first-person shooters |
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| 12:19.39 | foxlit | Art style is something you get used to, I think. Nothing really feels out of place in xiv after playing it for a while. |
| 12:22.24 | foxlit | Higher detail character models are nice, especially since cutscenes tend to zoom in on them. |
| 12:24.42 | foxlit | If I had to complain about something, it'd be that combat animations maybe overuse shiny effects, making group content look like a movie with way too many explosions. |
| 12:26.04 | foxlit | Although there is a checkbox to tone that down and I haven't checked it -- so maybe it's not that terrible. |
| 12:28.12 | nevcairiel | (your video also perfectly demonstrated why I hate friendly nameplates in WoW, it made everything way too busy) |
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| 12:34.44 | foxlit | That's an option, I think? To be honest, I linked it for the soundtrack :P |
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| 13:23.55 | znf | That's why the only way to do friendly nameplates is like KNP does it |
| 13:24.07 | znf | I still like to see who is who around me, who's standing in the fire :P |
| 13:25.52 | Ennea | KNP? |
| 13:27.44 | znf | KuiNamePlates |
| 13:27.48 | Ennea | ah |
| 13:28.15 | znf | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwqa5z-XUAA2-iZ?format=jpg&name=large |
| 13:28.30 | znf | ignore the custom names |
| 13:28.38 | znf | but just the look :P |
| 13:31.11 | Ennea | yea, that's neat |
| 13:31.31 | Ennea | not quite viable on classic, sadly. nameplate range of 20 units is a bit.. well :) |
| 13:31.43 | Ennea | big enough for that tavern. not really for anything else ;0 |
| 13:31.45 | Ennea | *;) |
| 13:35.46 | znf | true |
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| 13:46.51 | VIad | 40 isnt enough on argent dawn (eu) either to be fair |
| 13:49.04 | Ennea | 40 is the range on retail now? |
| 14:05.38 | foxlit | znf: does that show their health? |
| 14:05.53 | znf | foxlit, yes, the color in the name depletes based on health% |
| 14:07.51 | znf | so at 50% hp, the name will be half-gray |
| 14:07.56 | znf | half gray* |
| 14:09.33 | foxlit | *half of the name will be gray |
| 14:10.23 | foxlit | (because the other option is color blending, which wouldn't be sane) |
| 14:12.47 | VIad | how does that behave for color blind people? |
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| 14:14.05 | Meorawr | Well they'd enable showing healthbars rather than using name-only mode. |
| 14:14.08 | VIad | also do we know if blizz' color blind thing is just simulating color blindness or actually helping? read an article where several color blind options in games being a simulation and not actually helping, just dunno if wow actually helps or also simulates :D |
| 14:15.59 | Ennea | blizz' options also does things like replace currency icons with letters (g, s, c) |
| 14:16.03 | Ennea | so i'd say it's helping |
| 14:16.05 | Meorawr | I'd think the colorblind filters are a best-effort thing that try to help, but probably aren't perfect for everyone. There's other things the colorblind mode changes like ^ |
| 14:16.19 | Meorawr | Also extra lines in tooltips for faction data iirc. |
| 14:16.38 | VIad | the color blind option changes elements I know. the color options that adds those filters I dunno what color blind people think about them. |
| 14:16.56 | Ennea | on that topic, some interesting stuff i read the other day: supposedly, the outer worlds has no colorblind setting. and doesn't require one either, because it was designed to not require color information for anything |
| 14:20.42 | VIad | does one design the game in grayscale to know that you dont need colors and that color blind people can play it? |
| 14:21.02 | Gethe | I read about that. Any info displayed by color and at least one other redundant source. |
| 14:21.03 | VIad | like turn on grayscale see if you can do the things, if so ship it, if not add more light or smth? |
| 14:22.06 | Gethe | has at least* |
| 14:25.06 | znf | the color blind thing also adds item quality to tooltips |
| 14:25.08 | znf | like epic, legendary etc. |
| 14:27.29 | Gethe | There's a really interesting video by Game Makers Toolkit about designing for colorblindness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrqdU4cZaLw |
| 14:28.12 | Ennea | VIad, you can learn to integrate that thought into the process of designing stuff |
| 14:28.46 | Ennea | i think testing if everything's colorblind proof only after everything's done is a bit inefficient ;) |
| 14:29.16 | nevcairiel | unless you happen to have all the various colorblind people on staff, you are not really given much of an option |
| 14:30.31 | VIad | I meant as you create your content, quests, buildings you should do the thing to see that it works well visually. didnt mean it like doing checks after youre all done. |
| 14:31.57 | nevcairiel | i'm not a fan of designs like "lets just not use colors", next a game will have no significant sound effects so deaf people can play it properly, its fine to explore helpers for such disabilities, but I wouldnt want to deprive a design of certain dimensions just because it solves such a problem |
| 14:32.25 | VIad | next game is 32 pt comic sans text adventure |
| 14:32.37 | znf | VIad, I hope it does braille! |
| 14:32.38 | Ennea | just leaving out colors is not the way to go either obviously ;p |
| 14:32.49 | znf | or is screen-reader friendly |
| 14:32.52 | Ennea | but you take into consideration what you can do to make it usable by colorblind people |
| 14:32.55 | VIad | it sure does! just needs the braille adapter |
| 14:33.05 | Ennea | if you only distinguish stuff with color, you can add an icon, for example |
| 14:33.21 | nevcairiel | all I'm saying is that if a game is worse for a fully-able human due to such concerns, then th ats a bad design |
| 14:34.13 | Ennea | definitely |
| 14:35.49 | VIad | could augment the game to add layers of help for visually impaired, audio impaired, and so on. |
| 14:44.13 | Meorawr | The gameplay subtitles they added to Overwatch are pretty neat for that. |
| 14:44.44 | Meorawr | Would be nice to see if they get brought over to other games. |
| 14:45.10 | znf | gameplay subtitles? |
| 14:45.43 | znf | ooooh |
| 14:45.44 | Meorawr | https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/overwatch/t/overwatch-ptr-patch-notes-june-24-2019/361111 |
| 14:46.03 | Ennea | minecraft has those as well |
| 14:46.14 | znf | yeah, I enabled |
| 14:46.16 | Ennea | and somebody in the csgo subreddit created a config that adds something similar to csgo |
| 14:46.16 | znf | wanna see how it goes |
| 14:46.39 | znf | easy! |
| 14:46.40 | znf | gasps |
| 14:46.42 | znf | dying sound |
| 14:46.42 | znf | :D |
| 14:46.46 | Ennea | :D |
| 14:46.55 | Ennea | being burned sound |
| 14:47.18 | Ennea | not to be confused with: i am on fire, but an extinguisher is not required |
| 14:49.17 | znf | take the blade of the dragon god! (?) |
| 14:49.21 | znf | haha |
| 14:49.37 | znf | god, I hate this gauntled mode |
| 15:40.39 | znf | So, you guys wanna gamble a bit for tonight? |
| 15:40.49 | znf | Wanna bet if we still get stupidly desycned audio/video? |
| 15:42.59 | Ennea | you know that you need somebody to bet against it for there to actually be a bet, yes? |
| 15:43.21 | znf | I mean, I bet we will, yet again, for the...uhm, 3rd? year in a row, get desynced audio on the stream |
| 15:43.31 | znf | (meanwhile, the youtube opening ceremony stream will be perfect) |
| 15:43.34 | Ennea | yea, probably |
| 15:46.30 | znf | at least we get a murloc this year |
| 15:46.32 | nevcairiel | it really wasnt so bad last year, you just had to know how to play it :p |
| 15:47.45 | znf | I had to refresh every ~20 minutes |
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| 15:55.57 | znf | think I'll just chromecast it this time to my shield |
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| 16:16.18 | Astroid | Time to try to create some windows |
| 16:16.25 | Astroid | And save some data as well maybe |
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| 17:43.09 | znf | pre-show started |
| 17:54.21 | Funkeh` | but did you INSTALL THIS DRM RIGHT HERE |
| 17:56.36 | foxlit | (or just watch it on twitch) |
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| 17:57.06 | nevcairiel | dont really need to install any DRM, browsers have all sorts of fancy DRM built-in, which netflx etc already use |
| 17:57.36 | Vardex | Yeah I won't accept their DRM to watch on blizzcon website |
| 17:58.05 | nevcairiel | i didnt get any prompt :shrug: |
| 18:02.00 | znf | Ooooh. |
| 18:02.09 | znf | Apology |
| 18:04.22 | AcidWeb | Yeah only if he mean that. |
| 18:04.56 | Funkeh` | DRM is downloaded on demand, not built in |
| 18:05.20 | znf | uh uh |
| 18:06.05 | nevcairiel | smells like diablo |
| 18:06.10 | znf | w00t, d4 |
| 18:06.11 | znf | yup |
| 18:14.54 | znf | that was a nice trailer |
| 18:14.56 | znf | insanely long! |
| 18:15.02 | nevcairiel | and appropriately dark |
| 18:15.15 | znf | indeed |
| 18:19.23 | nevcairiel | that first guy looks like metzen |
| 18:19.31 | znf | what is up with the insane graphics |
| 18:19.34 | znf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RdDpqCmjb4 youtube video, btw |
| 18:19.42 | nevcairiel | 2020 game, need better graphics |
| 18:21.18 | znf | using the terrain seems awesome, jumping across stuff |
| 18:35.12 | Andols | I'm not able to watch, what's happening? :) |
| 18:35.41 | znf | d4 announced with a nice and long trailer and gameplay video |
| 18:35.45 | znf | And now Ion is announcing 9.0 |
| 18:37.22 | Andols | Wrath of the god king? |
| 18:37.29 | nevcairiel | not quite there yet |
| 18:38.53 | Funkeh` | baby alpaca pet gonna sell like hotcakes |
| 18:39.05 | znf | yup |
| 18:41.27 | znf | https://diablo.blizzard.com/en-us/ |
| 18:41.44 | nevcairiel | wow trailer runs now |
| 18:41.52 | znf | *drool* |
| 18:47.07 | znf | Woah. |
| 18:47.18 | nevcairiel | i got them shills in that video |
| 18:47.44 | znf | *nod* |
| 18:48.23 | znf | sylvannas good guy, alliance bad |
| 18:48.24 | znf | kthx |
| 18:48.56 | nevcairiel | calia will be your boss now |
| 18:49.10 | AcidWeb | Homeworld of Nomi. |
| 18:49.14 | znf | lol |
| 18:51.10 | znf | that video had a very different style, didn't it? |
| 18:51.20 | nevcairiel | compared to? |
| 18:51.40 | znf | rest of their videos |
| 18:51.43 | znf | like, the art felt different |
| 18:54.25 | Funkeh` | gimme that shadowlands preorder |
| 18:55.51 | nevcairiel | its up on the store |
| 18:55.57 | Funkeh` | eh, sound muted and then the stream died |
| 18:56.26 | Funkeh` | nvm good 'ol refresh |
| 18:56.42 | nevcairiel | pre-ordered |
| 18:57.18 | nevcairiel | b.net launcher has no shadowlands banner yet, boo |
| 18:57.18 | znf | man, I find Hearthstone so incredibly boring from all points of view |
| 18:58.00 | znf | the fuck is an "epic" edition |
| 18:58.03 | znf | and a heroic edition |
| 18:58.09 | znf | why are there 3 this time |
| 18:58.09 | nevcairiel | scroll down to find out |
| 18:58.10 | znf | damn it |
| 18:58.33 | znf | yeah, still >_< |
| 18:59.04 | nevcairiel | heroic has a 120 boost, mount and transmog, epic gives you 30 days of time on top, a pet, and some more cosmetics |
| 18:59.41 | nevcairiel | if you take the 30 days out its not even that much more then heroic anymore |
| 18:59.52 | znf | indeed |
| 19:00.04 | znf | last expansion was what? |
| 19:01.04 | nevcairiel | the same |
| 19:01.06 | nevcairiel | afaik |
| 19:01.37 | nevcairiel | 60 for digital deluxe |
| 19:01.46 | nevcairiel | so a tad bit more then heroic |
| 19:02.48 | nevcairiel | i dont get the appeal of auto-battlers |
| 19:03.01 | znf | you mean the hearthstone thing? |
| 19:03.05 | znf | or what auto-battler? :P |
| 19:03.21 | znf | I'm not exactly paying attention to hearthstone on the stream |
| 19:03.22 | nevcairiel | yeah, but they arent the first to do it, its b een going around through all sorts of games the last half year or so |
| 19:03.51 | znf | ⢠Every Level Is Meaningful: Shadowlands will introduce a new leveling system, meant to provide a meaningful sense of advancement with every level achieved. Current max-level characters will begin Shadowlands at level 50 and work toward the new level cap of 60. |
| 19:03.52 | znf | Woah. |
| 19:04.01 | znf | https://www.wowhead.com/news=295961/new-world-of-warcraft-expansion-revealed-shadowlands?refresh |
| 19:04.15 | nevcairiel | i'll wait to read until the reveal panel |
| 19:04.17 | nevcairiel | i like proper context |
| 19:04.26 | nevcairiel | (but a squish was pretty much a given) |
| 19:05.13 | Andols | Is that the panel at 22:30? |
| 19:05.32 | nevcairiel | not quire sure which one it is |
| 19:05.42 | nevcairiel | the first one is d4, thats what i know :D |
| 19:06.53 | nevcairiel | man that cinematic was also great, totally in the feels |
| 19:11.20 | Andols | D4 or wow? |
| 19:11.35 | nevcairiel | overwatch |
| 19:11.38 | nevcairiel | but really all of them |
| 19:12.32 | znf | lol monkey |
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| 19:27.32 | foxlit | if only the cinematics team could make games. |
| 19:27.43 | znf | heh |
| 19:28.12 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> then we would have shitty cinematics from the game team? |
| 19:28.50 | znf | So, do we have ow2.exe and ow.exe and these somehow play on the same servers, cross-play, and each one of them gets to see a different gameplay (because different models/engine)?! |
| 19:28.59 | znf | so many questions |
| 19:29.34 | znf | Or everyone will play ow2.exe, but players who haven't unlocked the "expansion" only get to play the ow1 game modes? |
| 19:29.45 | znf | (no co-op, no talent system etc.) |
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| 19:30.19 | Funkeh` | yeah sounds dumb, just keep the 1 game and update it to version 2 or make it an expansion |
| 19:31.46 | foxlit | I think if you play overwatch, you'll just pay them the 59.99$ and carry on playing overwatch. |
| 19:32.08 | znf | I'd say that would be the right way to do it, but he said that they are trying to bring everything (cosmetics & stuff) forward |
| 19:32.12 | nevcairiel | but you can also not pay and continue playing |
| 19:33.00 | AcidWeb | It is just selling expansion with full game price tag. |
| 19:33.05 | AcidWeb | Plain and simple. |
| 19:33.13 | Gethe | from what i understood it's two games, but the pvp stuff and cosmetics are shared. You'd only get ow2 if you want coop |
| 19:33.33 | znf | wtf, mount is up already? |
| 19:34.11 | znf | https://gyazo.com/4df99334a78159c31b98feafd8ae81fe |
| 19:34.34 | Funkeh` | it sounds more like 2 games with crossplay and continued updates for ow1 |
| 19:34.43 | Funkeh` | as ridiculous as that sounds |
| 19:34.47 | znf | d4 gameplay https://www.twitch.tv/wolfcryer |
| 19:35.39 | Meorawr | PvE exclusive to the second game, PvP cross-play between the first and second. Not sure why they took that approach, possibly worried about competitive backlash to the new artstyle and stuff or they want more freedom to monetize the new game. |
| 19:35.42 | nevcairiel | isnt the d4 panel up basically now |
| 19:35.58 | znf | no, still music |
| 19:36.10 | znf | staarted exactly now |
| 19:45.03 | sb | and what about diablo mobile? :( |
| 19:46.22 | znf | we don't talk about diablo mobile :D |
| 19:46.27 | AcidWeb | They waiting for better gpu in payment terminals. |
| 19:46.50 | znf | speaking of GPUs |
| 19:47.10 | znf | new engine in d4, I hope that means it's better optimized that the D3 one... that was horrible |
| 19:53.53 | nevcairiel | d3s problem wasnt the engine, it was mostly server performance from too much shit going on |
| 19:54.26 | znf | I mean, at some times your FPS would tank in crowded places |
| 19:54.36 | znf | at least for me with a non-Ti card :P |
| 19:58.46 | Funkeh` | vulkan in d4 and ow2 amiright |
| 19:59.07 | Funkeh` | shakes 8 ball |
| 19:59.12 | nevcairiel | doubtful they would create a new engine like that entirely |
| 19:59.35 | Funkeh` | both games have "new" engines |
| 19:59.47 | nevcairiel | upgraded engine != new engine |
| 20:00.35 | znf | do I "feel" some raytracing there? |
| 20:03.23 | znf | store mounts, heh |
| 20:06.17 | Funkeh` | a new engine is basically always an upgraded engine |
| 20:06.31 | Funkeh` | hence the quotes |
| 20:12.15 | znf | what's the next interesting panel? |
| 20:12.30 | nevcairiel | wow should be soon |
| 20:12.44 | znf | because this diablo4 one is pretty snooze-ish, probably because the producers lack any charisma |
| 20:12.45 | nevcairiel | overwatch first, then wow |
| 20:13.43 | znf | wait that's it? |
| 20:13.49 | znf | d4, ow, wow? |
| 20:14.00 | znf | my schedule only goes to 12:00 AM EET |
| 20:14.05 | znf | for the mythic stage |
| 20:14.15 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/IlM2CV8.png |
| 20:14.45 | nevcairiel | switch to next day |
| 20:14.49 | Meorawr | https://blizzcon.marlamin.com/schedule/ |
| 20:14.52 | Meorawr | Much easier. |
| 20:15.29 | nevcairiel | but for today its intro p anels for d4, ow2, wow, hearthstone, tomorrow are additional wow and d4 panel |
| 20:15.45 | nevcairiel | wow: deep dive, d4: systems & featuzres |
| 20:16.55 | Funkeh` | the schedule on blizz's website is bare af |
| 20:17.06 | Funkeh` | it didnt even show those 3 panels until the last seconds |
| 20:17.21 | nevcairiel | it had "coming soon" placeholder there |
| 20:17.25 | nevcairiel | to not spoil shit |
| 20:17.34 | Funkeh` | yeah, but look at tomorrow it doesnt even have coming soon |
| 20:17.47 | nevcairiel | it replaced those with actual panel |
| 20:17.49 | Funkeh` | she was talking about "join us tomorrow for xyz" all of which wasn't even on the schedule |
| 20:17.51 | nevcairiel | not sure what you are seeing |
| 20:18.08 | Funkeh` | not even in placeholder form |
| 20:18.17 | Funkeh` | e.g. the Q&A |
| 20:18.39 | znf | so, today we only have OW and WoW panels with "what's next" |
| 20:18.40 | znf | that's it? |
| 20:18.50 | Funkeh` | i believe so |
| 20:19.06 | znf | tought we had more last year |
| 20:23.00 | sb | wonder if there ever will be a day without znf complaining about something... |
| 20:23.52 | znf | use the ignore function, it's sacred |
| 20:24.00 | Meorawr | If they overlapped the more interesting deep-dive panels for other games at the same time as their "what's next" ones people would complain about having to pick. |
| 20:24.33 | Meorawr | The schedule is kinda set up to put all the interesting stuff on one stage. |
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| 20:31.11 | znf | OW panel starting |
| 20:31.30 | znf | the stream has been in sync all night |
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| 20:43.53 | foxlit | the sc2 arena is like 90% empty seats :( |
| 20:44.20 | nevcairiel | watching esports is also quite boring |
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| 20:50.24 | foxlit | I don't disagree, but somehow I've made an exception for starcraft. |
| 21:03.19 | znf | there we go, greatly upgraded engine in OW :P |
| 21:03.25 | Funkeh` | haha |
| 21:16.44 | Funkeh` | "were gonna be quiet were not gonna tell you about the new moira look" |
| 21:16.47 | Funkeh` | leak next week |
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| 21:20.13 | znf | I mean, it does kind of make sense that it's not a new engine |
| 21:20.38 | znf | I imagine that trying to play the same game in 2 engines would not end up well |
| 21:20.50 | znf | Especially a FPS |
| 21:22.33 | Andols | Watched the wow cinematic, wtf just happened? |
| 21:22.46 | znf | Sylvanas is the good guy |
| 21:22.47 | znf | :D |
| 21:28.31 | Andols | Is that what a good guy does? |
| 21:28.56 | znf | yes |
| 21:29.02 | znf | bad guy would have worn the mask... |
| 21:29.23 | Andols | But well, i have no idea what bolvar has been up to since cata :P |
| 21:29.33 | Andols | Yea, that's true |
| 21:30.41 | Gethe | he raised four new horsemen in Legion and effectively took over the Ebon Blade again |
| 21:31.07 | Andols | Death knight champain? |
| 21:31.07 | znf | wow started |
| 21:31.13 | Gethe | yeah |
| 21:34.58 | znf | k, so Anima is the new Azerite? :D |
| 21:39.19 | Andols | Probably |
| 21:43.00 | znf | DEATH WAS MERELY A SETBACK |
| 21:43.00 | znf | heh |
| 21:44.15 | Andols | was she asleep? |
| 21:45.12 | znf | so scryers/aldor just 4 times now |
| 21:51.16 | Andols | Aww, no dalaran :P |
| 21:54.52 | znf | PREPATCH EVENT! SCOURGE! |
| 21:54.58 | znf | looks for his necrotic runes |
| 21:57.27 | znf | woah, linear progression |
| 21:57.31 | znf | no more pick your zone |
| 21:59.28 | znf | nice alt system |
| 21:59.35 | Andols | yrs |
| 21:59.40 | Andols | yea* |
| 22:04.26 | znf | so, is it actually random generated on each entry? :o |
| 22:04.37 | Andols | sounds like that |
| 22:05.02 | znf | that would be neat |
| 22:05.13 | Gethe | they did that with one of the secret mount quest lines |
| 22:07.29 | znf | FINALLY |
| 22:07.31 | znf | FUCKING FINALLY |
| 22:08.38 | znf | (regarding the gear crafting) |
| 22:10.22 | Funkeh` | indeed |
| 22:11.41 | Funkeh` | "tomorrow at our deep dive panel" |
| 22:11.44 | Funkeh` | see what i mean |
| 22:11.51 | Funkeh` | there isnt even a placeholder for that |
| 22:13.22 | Andols | oooh nice |
| 22:13.41 | Andols | All of a sudden i might get motivation to lvl alts |
| 22:14.07 | foxlit | Funkeh`: there isnt even a placeholder for that << 18:15 UTC. Maybe you're looking at the wrong time? |
| 22:14.19 | znf | yup, the alts system sound like a pretty nice idea |
| 22:14.24 | znf | leveling in a single expansion, that's awesome really |
| 22:17.06 | znf | surprised there's no new class tough |
| 22:17.15 | Funkeh` | omg foxlit |
| 22:17.22 | Funkeh` | the schedule starts at midnight |
| 22:17.30 | Funkeh` | you need to scroll all the way right to get to 5pm lol |
| 22:18.04 | znf | but the schedules are in local time here? |
| 22:18.14 | Andols | Looks like it |
| 22:18.19 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/qR88bQn.png |
| 22:18.42 | znf | but I don't see the "hearthstone what's next" on my schedule |
| 22:19.14 | znf | apparently there's a HoTS panel |
| 22:19.25 | znf | on the "all access" |
| 22:20.07 | foxlit | znf: but I don't see the "hearthstone what's next" on my schedule << 10 minutes from now |
| 22:20.47 | znf | also it's not showing me the schedule for "blizzcon all access" where the hots panel is |
| 22:21.00 | Andols | The HOTS panel is not in the sidebar of live streams https://imgur.com/a/hKNu9Sf |
| 22:21.42 | znf | Andols, "blizzcon all access" == HoTS |
| 22:22.02 | Andols | Oh nvm, it's still listed as "Life at Blizzard: Career & Culture Insights" |
| 22:22.09 | Andols | But the stream is there |
| 22:22.19 | Andols | Talking Deathwings |
| 22:22.27 | Andols | Litteraly |
| 22:22.31 | znf | that's the other one? |
| 22:22.41 | znf | oh, it's the same stream |
| 22:22.46 | znf | but it's shown twice |
| 22:23.03 | Andols | Someone probably forgot to change the streamname :P |
| 22:45.23 | znf | oh new b.net |
| 22:45.27 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/KguXvTG.png |
| 22:47.51 | Meorawr | ...You can't show the friends list as a separate window? |
| 22:47.58 | Meorawr | Please tell me that's not a permanent intended change :( |
| 22:48.09 | Gethe | you can change what games show now |
| 22:48.22 | znf | Meorawr, no idea, I'm looking for that, too |
| 22:48.58 | znf | ok, I don't like it |
| 22:49.35 | Meorawr | They also removed the compact display setting for the friends list. |
| 22:49.51 | Meorawr | So while previously I could have a list showing everyone without a scrollbar, I'm now limited to like... 8 people. |
| 22:50.02 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/V6bpoIa.png |
| 22:50.17 | znf | like, I don't care about the news shit :-| |
| 22:52.49 | Andols | Maybe this is why the symlink deletion is taking to long to fix :P |
| 22:53.29 | znf | the good: you can remove games |
| 22:54.03 | znf | the bad: forced friends sidebar, the play/install button seems in a weird position, we still get "gifs" eating away CPU when the window is active |
| 22:54.09 | znf | who does QA for this, ffs |
| 22:55.11 | Meorawr | And everything is just egregiously large. |
| 22:55.25 | znf | yup |
| 22:55.42 | znf | I mean, I think if that friendbar could be hidden, it wouldn't be that bad |
| 22:57.26 | znf | tough I dislike the positioning of the play button, it just feels wrong to me to have it on the left side |
| 22:57.32 | Andols | My news is in Cyrillic https://imgur.com/a/6IJcwSy |
| 22:57.40 | Andols | And I'm in Sweden... |
| 22:57.53 | Meorawr | I could get used to the play button positioning since it's not something I use all that much |
| 22:58.10 | Meorawr | But having to open this giant window to open a chat with a friend is frustrating. |
| 22:58.57 | znf | yeah, different people are reporting weird news languages |
| 22:59.01 | znf | some people are getting spanish |
| 23:03.03 | nebula | makes sense they want to present news for each game instead of hiding it away in a tab no one ever uses, but at the very least the friends list should be collapsible |
| 23:03.11 | Andols | I also got way less info compared to you https://imgur.com/a/5GezjcU |
| 23:03.20 | Andols | All my icons are larger for example |
| 23:04.15 | nebula | looks the same to me, except you're just getting a generic news feed instead of a game specific one |
| 23:07.51 | znf | Andols, make it the smallest |
| 23:07.59 | znf | that's why I got less information |
| 23:08.19 | znf | otherwise it's https://i.imgur.com/w8P2lgO.png |
| 23:10.07 | Andols | smallest? |
| 23:12.00 | nevcairiel | drag it smaller |
| 23:12.15 | nevcairiel | or bigger |
| 23:12.17 | nevcairiel | it flows |
| 23:12.29 | nevcairiel | its not so bad imho |
| 23:15.32 | Andols | My smallest and largest https://imgur.com/a/bVDz52d |
| 23:15.36 | Andols | I guess beta is beta ;) |
| 23:16.39 | znf | from the other side...?! |
| 23:16.42 | znf | like, from the sides? |
| 23:16.45 | znf | not just top/bottom? |
| 23:17.14 | znf | anyway, I just want the stupid friend-list gone |
| 23:17.17 | znf | the rest is "whatever" |
| 23:17.31 | nebula | doesn't really make a difference |
| 23:18.53 | Meorawr | Also if you close the window (so that it minimizes to the system tray) and re-open it it'll spin for a long time with a loading animation before showing you any games or your friends. |
| 23:19.14 | nebula | oooh |
| 23:19.16 | nebula | that is annoying |
| 23:19.24 | znf | takes like ~2 seconds for me, but yeah, annoying |
| 23:19.35 | Meorawr | Seems to vary, I had 3 seconds just now and 5+ seconds beforehand |
| 23:19.38 | znf | it also "forgot" my group collapse |
| 23:19.46 | znf | (the friends groups) |
| 23:19.55 | Meorawr | Yeah that too. |
| 23:20.07 | nebula | should be able to show the friends list as part of the social window if summoned without the main window open |
| 23:22.40 | znf | what social window? :D |
| 23:23.00 | znf | ah |
| 23:23.10 | znf | "chats and groups" |
| 23:23.17 | nebula | chats and groups, can right click the tray icon and it's social |
| 23:23.40 | nebula | the social tab from the live client |
| 23:23.47 | znf | seems you can collapse the chats bar there |
| 23:27.15 | nevcairiel | the slow loading is really bad yeah |
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