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| 01:22.34 | Gethe | znf: latest alpha has a partial AH skin |
| 01:24.02 | znf | thanks for working on it |
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| 02:45.36 | MooreaTv | wtb 1% minimum undercut and FIFO |
| 02:46.20 | Mr_Rabies | i too want everything to go for vendor price on the AH |
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| 06:51.53 | znf | MooreaTv: I think fifo is already there |
| 06:52.36 | znf | If you sell at the exact same price as the cheapest auction, yours go first |
| 06:52.52 | znf | Oh no wait |
| 06:52.56 | znf | That's lifo |
| 06:53.05 | znf | Sorry just woke up and my head is spinning |
| 06:55.00 | nevcairiel | noone in their right mind wants undercutting to actually happen, the current approach is fine =p |
| 06:55.38 | nevcairiel | it acts just like before when people would undercut to sell faster, except without the undercutting |
| 07:00.54 | Ennea | MooreaTv, libkeybound has a slash command, which is perfectly fine imo |
| 07:01.40 | Ennea | also, asking again due to lack of an answer yesterday evening: any way to combine tex coords and an alpha mask on the same texture? |
| 07:19.06 | MooreaTv | i can tell |
| 07:19.50 | MooreaTv | undercutting instead of mindless relisting is how to get the true price |
| 07:20.08 | MooreaTv | but not by 1c, it has to be minimum 1% |
| 07:20.31 | MooreaTv | use your fucking heads for once |
| 07:22.11 | Mr_Rabies | oh, you're saying if you undercut it must be by at least 1%? |
| 07:22.45 | MooreaTv | and fifo so you get to make a real decision on whether you want to lower the price or stay in line |
| 07:23.04 | Mr_Rabies | that would certainly lead to lots of undercutting, i think |
| 07:23.13 | MooreaTv | instead of the bs 1c undercut, constant lifo relisting |
| 07:24.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think most people would undercut until it got close to vendor price and then either hold onto it or vendor it |
| 07:24.31 | MooreaTv | either you believe in your sell price and stay in line and are guaranteed to sell in order, or think the price is too high and actually undercut... if you undercut too much you get bought and relisted |
| 07:25.46 | MooreaTv | but I guess it's better for blizz to have idiots compulsively cancelling and reslisting in lifo 24h/7 at same price than reach an actual market price |
| 07:26.15 | Mr_Rabies | but LIFO/FILO at least means there's no reason to undercut 99% of the time as is |
| 07:26.43 | MooreaTv | lifo is just moronice |
| 07:26.49 | MooreaTv | without the e |
| 07:26.59 | Ennea | moron ice \o/ |
| 07:27.21 | Mr_Rabies | i would support increasing the listing fees on stackables if they also increased how long the listing was up for |
| 07:27.59 | MooreaTv | why would you stay longer when newer auctions will sell first with that @#^&^*&@^&@ lifo |
| 07:28.06 | Mr_Rabies | honestly there's no great way to do it right now but undercutting by 1c is really stupid on stackables unless no one wants the item in the first place |
| 07:28.37 | MooreaTv | there is a fine way, fifo and 1% minimum undercut to be in front |
| 07:29.02 | Mr_Rabies | i see that turning into a massively accelerated undercut battle |
| 07:29.24 | MooreaTv | that means you get the market price sooner, everyone waste less time |
| 07:29.47 | Mr_Rabies | i think it would basically drive everything to vendor price and then people would either hoard or vendor everything |
| 07:29.54 | Mr_Rabies | killing the economy |
| 07:30.02 | MooreaTv | instead of absurdly high price which take forever to converge |
| 07:30.29 | Mr_Rabies | basically if something is only going for vendor price no one is going to bother farming it anyway |
| 07:30.29 | MooreaTv | not at all, if an item is valuable, it'll get bought |
| 07:31.30 | MooreaTv | the floor is obviously vendor price, and the AH ui shouln't even let you list something below vendor + ah fees |
| 07:31.32 | Ennea | and i'm just sitting here selling my stacks of 10 aquadynamic fish attractors for a gold each |
| 07:31.52 | Ennea | by all means, let people list stuff below vendor price if they feel like it |
| 07:32.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'm making good gold off of folks listing stuff for under vendor price on the classic AH lol |
| 07:32.21 | Ennea | same |
| 07:32.27 | MooreaTv | it's not like they "feel like it" is because they're too misinformed to install a vendor price addon |
| 07:32.37 | Ennea | let them be misinformed, then |
| 07:32.37 | znf | LIFO makes perfect sense |
| 07:32.39 | Ennea | works for me |
| 07:32.45 | MooreaTv | or because blizzard is asleep at the wheel |
| 07:32.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah if they're too dumb to realize how easy that is to download an addon for |
| 07:33.00 | Mr_Rabies | they deserve to get ripped off lol |
| 07:33.52 | MooreaTv | sure so ignoring the moronic masses; still; to get a legitimate market price; fifo and 1% undercut is the best I can think of, why don't you tell me what's wrong with it; or propose something better |
| 07:34.12 | Mr_Rabies | i actually appreciate blizzard's lasseiz-faire approach to the AH, they did increase the listing price on a lot of stuff and kill it on the market a while back but they also made older mats basically useless so whatever |
| 07:34.28 | Ennea | MooreaTv, how do you feel about the classic AH? |
| 07:34.55 | Mr_Rabies | what's wrong with it is every stackable item will be a battle to vendor price, which sounds nice and convenient on paper |
| 07:35.05 | MooreaTv | it has a horrible default ui leading to abuse of bad stacks of 1 to fool folks into buying higher than they shoud |
| 07:35.11 | Mr_Rabies | but realistically will mean people will just treat the game even more like skyrim than they already do |
| 07:35.18 | Ennea | okay, ignoring the thing with stacks for now |
| 07:35.19 | Mr_Rabies | just vendor everything and not worry about the AH at all |
| 07:35.31 | Ennea | specifically, what do you think about the typical use of it: you wanna sell a stack of X |
| 07:35.41 | Ennea | you see X listed with 50s buyout at its lowest price |
| 07:35.44 | MooreaTv | sure vendor rare green and blues that people need; great social outcome there |
| 07:35.49 | Ennea | so you go down to.. 49s 99c, or 49s, or whatever |
| 07:36.03 | Mr_Rabies | i think the stock AH ui is awful but auctionator fixes almost everything about it for me |
| 07:36.09 | Ennea | heck, i vendor my greens if they don't sell the first time i put them in |
| 07:36.10 | Mr_Rabies | and the new AH borrows a lot of stuff from auctionator |
| 07:36.12 | znf | FIFO just leads to people undercutting by a lot |
| 07:36.16 | znf | and 1% is irrelevant |
| 07:36.22 | znf | in a lot of cases, it could be just 1 copper |
| 07:36.33 | MooreaTv | 1% is exactly relevant; as opposed to 1c which isn't |
| 07:36.45 | znf | The "1 copper" undercut is a result of the current system |
| 07:36.45 | MooreaTv | but math is hard |
| 07:37.04 | znf | because people want to be first when you sort by price |
| 07:37.11 | znf | Now they can do the same, but without undercutting |
| 07:37.34 | znf | I'm very happy they do not dictate such bullshit ideas of a minimum undercut |
| 07:37.40 | MooreaTv | exactly so one last time... FIFO _or_ if you want to get ahead of the selling line _significant_ undercut |
| 07:39.33 | MooreaTv | i have yet to hear an argument against this, except, well if blizzard thougth LIFO is great it must be great _or_ I like the old way because I can abuse it... |
| 07:39.58 | Ennea | lifo is pretty much exactly like the old way |
| 07:40.04 | Ennea | except people don't have to undercut you anymore |
| 07:40.04 | Mr_Rabies | can't help but notice you're totally ignoring my argument but that's fine |
| 07:41.06 | znf | 1% minimum undercut would have to make a server check every time you post some shit |
| 07:41.09 | MooreaTv | you argument is there is an addon that fixes some current issues; how is that an argument for how the "new" ah should be? |
| 07:41.10 | znf | and frankly, that would be annoying |
| 07:41.34 | Mr_Rabies | FIFO means undercutting is king every time, and by forcing it to at least 1% of an undercut it means the true value of an item will never be realized because a small portion of the economy undercutting will drive the price into the ground |
| 07:41.44 | znf | On a populated server, you would try to list something, undercut by 1%, oops, wait, someone already did that, you need to reduce 1% more |
| 07:41.47 | znf | oh wait, someone already did that |
| 07:42.07 | MooreaTv | yeah and someone will buy it if it's really under valued |
| 07:42.18 | MooreaTv | and if it's not we get the actual value sooner |
| 07:42.18 | znf | You don't know that |
| 07:42.41 | MooreaTv | !!! |
| 07:42.55 | znf | what's "actual value"? |
| 07:43.20 | MooreaTv | the value that people are both willing to buy and sell at; as opposed to list auctions that don't sell |
| 07:43.35 | Ennea | MooreaTv, what point are you even trying to make? o.O |
| 07:43.47 | MooreaTv | but clearly churning auctions is more insteresting as you have to be logged in to churn |
| 07:43.58 | MooreaTv | read above. |
| 07:44.07 | Ennea | i was trying to |
| 07:44.11 | Ennea | but you're not making a whole lot of sense |
| 07:45.00 | Ennea | or, rather. you're ignoring various arguments presented to you, so i have no idea what you actually want |
| 07:45.43 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think their changes are going to be the perfect system but they seem like a measured response rather than changing a ton of stuff at once |
| 07:45.59 | MooreaTv | what arguments? again; what exactly would go wrong compared to today with FIFO and 1% minimum undercut? |
| 07:46.05 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather them be light-handed at first and make the hand heavier if need be |
| 07:46.30 | MooreaTv | instead of the proposed LIFO |
| 07:46.41 | Mr_Rabies | 5000 people undercutting by 1% each will be absolute hell again |
| 07:46.48 | Ennea | what's wrong with lifo? it's p much literally what's already there |
| 07:46.52 | Ennea | without the need to undercut |
| 07:47.16 | MooreaTv | the claim is LIFO is to avoid pointless undercut. I propose that we avoid pointless undercut by setting a meaningful minimum... not to hard to grasp |
| 07:48.28 | MooreaTv | you do agree that if an item gets under vendor price, someone will buy it? right? then use your brain a little to consider that "floor" applies to crafting; and other "useful" and higher than vendor items |
| 07:48.32 | nevcairiel | you seem to ignore that re-listing still costs you the auction fee, its not "free", so people will not be doing it every 10 seconds |
| 07:48.56 | Mr_Rabies | it's quite expensive on some items after the changes in....wod? |
| 07:48.56 | nevcairiel | also statements like "use your brain" are really borderline insulting, so keep it in check |
| 07:49.02 | Ennea | why would you want the undercut "minimum" dictated |
| 07:49.15 | MooreaTv | yes so it's bad for sellers and not good for vendors; in other words it's good for noone to have LIFO |
| 07:49.24 | Ennea | LIFO IS JUST LIKE BEFORE |
| 07:49.25 | MooreaTv | fuck u |
| 07:49.35 | MooreaTv | just to keep it in check |
| 07:49.36 | Ennea | nobody has ever complained about that shit. i mean, people probably have |
| 07:49.48 | Ennea | but not enough for it to be changed for, what, 15 years? |
| 07:50.02 | MooreaTv | well they are changing it _now_ |
| 07:50.09 | MooreaTv | so why not change it better |
| 07:51.26 | Ennea | if you have a better idea, sure |
| 07:51.58 | nevcairiel | one that doesnt take away anyones freedom |
| 07:52.25 | Mr_Rabies | i mean it's a good idea on paper but i think people are just obsessed with undercutting |
| 07:52.35 | MooreaTv | again, beside just saying because I'm proposing it, it must be bad, I have yet to hear any argument at all on how 1% undercut+FIFO would be worse/how it would be worse than the LIFO PTR |
| 07:52.46 | Mr_Rabies | it's still gonna happen with LIFO, it's still gonna happen under MooreaTv's proposed system |
| 07:52.53 | nevcairiel | you have also not provided any real arguments why its better |
| 07:52.58 | nevcairiel | its on you to convince us of your idea |
| 07:53.00 | Ennea | people can already undercut |
| 07:53.06 | Ennea | why do you need to dictate a minimum for that? |
| 07:53.26 | MooreaTv | for a price to converge you have to force some movement in each iteration |
| 07:53.32 | znf | why? |
| 07:53.38 | Ennea | you don't have to force shit |
| 07:53.41 | Ennea | people will do that themselves |
| 07:53.41 | MooreaTv | nvm, carry on |
| 07:53.52 | znf | what good could it possibly do to have a minimum of 1%? |
| 07:54.43 | Mr_Rabies | as i understand it he believes it's too slow to reach the item's lowest price with 1c being the minimum, and those getting undercut by 1c will relist their stuff and undercut by 1c over and over |
| 07:54.57 | nevcairiel | its a free market, if stuff doesnt move on the AH because its too expensive, people will naturally reduce the price so it does move, and they wont reduce it by 1c because that had another purpose entirely |
| 07:55.04 | Mr_Rabies | which i see as a positive way to sink a lot of gold in the system by people who can't just list an item and see if it sells over 2 days :v |
| 07:55.07 | Ennea | there's already plenty people that don't want to deal with the 1c bullshit and will happily undercut by a lot more |
| 07:55.10 | nevcairiel | forcing that serves nothing |
| 07:55.17 | Ennea | you don't need to force any artificial minimums on players for that to happen |
| 07:55.36 | Mr_Rabies | it's already such a bad idea to relist most stackable items |
| 07:55.45 | Mr_Rabies | really the wild swings on price are more on like BoEs and stuff |
| 07:56.16 | Mr_Rabies | because without historical undermine journal data there's no real way to even tell what stuff has been listed for, much less actually sold at |
| 07:56.42 | Ennea | also, maybe that's just me and/or classic, but there's stuff i won't undercut on anyway. if my fish attractors don't sell for a gold, i'll just relist them until they do, because they will anyway |
| 07:56.42 | nevcairiel | "actually sold at" you dont even realistically know with undermine journal data |
| 07:56.42 | Mr_Rabies | probably good for him to take a break if he was getting that heated |
| 07:56.47 | nevcairiel | with rare items like boes |
| 07:57.04 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i know, nevcairiel, i'm just saying you don't have -any- info without something like TUJ |
| 07:57.15 | Mr_Rabies | the perfect info would be historical data of actual sales |
| 07:57.23 | Mr_Rabies | but since that's not possible at least you can get TUJ numbers |
| 07:57.35 | nevcairiel | also that guy could never actually hold an argument, its his way or he starts insulting |
| 07:57.47 | Mr_Rabies | that would actually be pretty nice on blizzard's part, actual sold pricing data on unstackables |
| 07:58.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm bad when i get backed into a corner and have everyone else against me too |
| 07:58.19 | Mr_Rabies | in here i would just shut up when and if that happened |
| 07:58.46 | Mr_Rabies | because it's got a low tolerance for anything controversial |
| 07:59.58 | Ennea | anyway, now that this pointless discussion is finally over.. let me ask again: can i combine tex coords and an alpha mask on the same texture somehow? |
| 08:00.27 | Mr_Rabies | it'll probably never happen but it would be nice if i could see the last time an item actually sold on the AH that wasn't stackable, and at what price |
| 08:01.06 | nevcairiel | Ennea: apparently you have to use the new MaskTexture feature, then you can |
| 08:01.19 | nevcairiel | (Frame:CreateMaskTexture, etc) |
| 08:01.20 | Ennea | thank you <3 i'll take a look at that |
| 08:01.33 | nevcairiel | https://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55368 some info here |
| 08:01.40 | Ennea | ah, perfect. thanks a lot |
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| 12:55.10 | LexSfX | given {"Arms", "Fury", "None", "Protection"} as an example array, is there a way to table.sort it so that "None" is first and the others are alphabetical? |
| 12:55.35 | LexSfX | and if so, what's the comp function i need to use as the second table.sort argument? |
| 12:57.19 | foxlit | what's a comp function? |
| 12:58.31 | Ennea | comparison function |
| 12:58.39 | Ennea | expected to return -1, 0 or 1, typically |
| 12:58.44 | Ennea | to decide how to order a given array |
| 12:58.48 | Ennea | get |
| 12:58.53 | Ennea | *gets two items as arguments |
| 12:59.05 | Ennea | should return 0 if they're equal, -1 if the first is "smaller" than the second |
| 12:59.09 | Ennea | 1 if the opposite is true |
| 12:59.22 | znf | probably remove "None" from the array, sort it, then add "None" at the start? :P |
| 12:59.27 | Ennea | ^ |
| 12:59.30 | Ennea | that sounds like a decent idea |
| 12:59.31 | foxlit | Ennea: (a) that's not correct in this context (b) that's not the point. |
| 13:00.00 | Ennea | foxlit, i thought they were just asking what the comp function in table.sort is |
| 13:00.04 | Ennea | with or without context |
| 13:01.34 | Ennea | LexSfX, the more i think about it.. given your array, why not always sort this in the order of arms, prot, fury? |
| 13:02.12 | LexSfX | i'm sorting by the order that the specs appear in-game, which also happens to be the English alphabetical order |
| 13:02.19 | foxlit | (if you return integers from a lua comparison function, you're not going to sort anything) |
| 13:02.35 | Ennea | oh, wasn't aware |
| 13:02.38 | Ennea | what does lua expect? |
| 13:03.29 | Ennea | bool. hm |
| 13:03.39 | Ennea | oh well |
| 13:04.06 | LexSfX | yeah, i'm not sure how to use this with a special "always-first" case |
| 13:04.18 | LexSfX | but i'm almost sure there's a way |
| 13:05.32 | Ennea | function comp(a, b) if a == 'None' then return true elseif b == 'None' then return false else return a < b end end |
| 13:05.33 | Ennea | ? |
| 13:05.35 | Ennea | might work |
| 13:05.39 | Ennea | but yea, too complicated in your case |
| 13:05.48 | Ennea | doing what znf suggested is probably the best idea |
| 13:06.44 | LexSfX | it worked perfectly |
| 13:06.47 | LexSfX | nice one, Ennea |
| 13:06.48 | LexSfX | you rock |
| 13:07.20 | LexSfX | i spent a while and couldn't quite wrap my head around it, and you nailed it in no time :) |
| 13:07.27 | Ennea | thanks. probably still not a good idea to use it, depending on context ;p |
| 13:07.49 | LexSfX | it's a good idea to use it in my context. i'm sorting a lot of arrays with it |
| 13:08.06 | LexSfX | all of them have "None" in them |
| 13:08.45 | Ennea | don't need to translate that? |
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| 14:47.28 | znf | why is the damn customizer on PTR so broken :-| |
| 14:47.46 | znf | sometimes you get a race change, sometimes you get a faction change, sometimes you get only a customize |
| 14:48.43 | foxlit | all of those are distinct services that they sell and may want to "test"? |
| 14:49.38 | znf | you think? |
| 14:51.45 | foxlit | I don't really understand what you mean by "broken" |
| 14:52.51 | znf | I mean, I would like to consistently be able to get a specific service? |
| 14:53.12 | znf | wanted to race change to vulpera again and I haven't got it again on that char... |
| 14:53.18 | Alram | smells like random by design |
| 15:03.17 | foxlit | I'd like to consistently win the lottery jackpot too :) |
| 15:05.19 | foxlit | (you could probably just copy the same character to the PTR 10 times; chances are one at least one of those clones would have the desired service up at any time.) |
| 15:32.04 | nevcairiel | dont they even give you a different one when you relog or something |
| 15:32.11 | nevcairiel | its just random |
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| 15:46.46 | znf | Sometimes you get none |
| 15:47.41 | znf | For example, I've relogged like 5 times, and 3/4 out of my chars have no service enabled, one has faction swap |
| 15:48.02 | znf | but, if I remember corectly, the button on the PTR would do everything before |
| 15:48.09 | znf | customize, race/faction change, all in one |
| 15:48.25 | foxlit | that's just a faction change. |
| 15:48.45 | nevcairiel | a faction change will of course let you pick a new race and customize that on e |
| 15:48.56 | znf | I see |
| 15:49.00 | nevcairiel | similar, a race change lets you pick a new race and customize that |
| 15:49.00 | znf | well, I can't get it on the other chars :D |
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| 18:27.02 | foxlit | whatever happened to the thing that used to kill /run for i=1,1,0 do end? |
| 18:30.43 | Crosshash | What do you mean? |
| 18:32.39 | foxlit | there used to be a thing that continiously threw errors if the UI took too long to execute something. |
| 18:32.51 | Meorawr | Still times out and errors for me. |
| 18:34.07 | foxlit | I'm happy that it doesn't seem to do it as aggressively now, but at the same time I've had to alt-f4 out of infinite loops I carelessly wrote a few times in the past three minutes. |
| 18:34.09 | nevcairiel | I just ran it on retail and the client froze for at least 20 seconds or so, but then errored |
| 18:35.14 | nevcairiel | so the processing window seem pretty large now, at least out of combat |
| 18:35.21 | foxlit | okay, so I'm just impatient. |
| 18:45.10 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_CUFProfiles/Blizzard_CompactUnitFrameProfiles.lua#74 << calls InterfaceOptionsPanel_Cancel, then calls another function which immediately calls InterfaceOptionsPanel_Cancel again. |
| 18:46.26 | Meorawr | Sometimes you just really need to be sure that things get cancelled, y'know. |
| 18:49.15 | Ennea | like me at work hitting the hang up button on my phone at least three times when ending a call |
| 18:50.57 | foxlit | https://hastebin.com/bababejaga.m << so I have this fun series of call stacks. |
| 18:51.55 | foxlit | (the first entry is double fun because this is supposed to be taintlog 1 and globals shouldn't appear.) |
| 18:53.30 | foxlit | (that's on 8.2.5, live realms) |
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| 20:05.35 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/UIDropDownMenu.lua#122 << this should be iterating up to self.numButtons, not UIDROPDOWNMENU_MAXBUTTONS -- as is, it over-reads into buttons that don't exist in the currently-open menu. |
| 20:11.02 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/UIDropDownMenu.lua#706 << similarly, this should break if i > listFrame.numButtons rather than continue exploring buttons that aren't in the current dropdown. |
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| 21:33.43 | LexSfX | wow, 20 seconds? i agree with foxlit. it should be kill any blocking function that's running for more than a frame |
| 21:33.59 | LexSfX | i remember having to program properly to handle that in 2012 |
| 21:34.22 | LexSfX | it should kill* |
| 21:34.24 | foxlit | ... |
| 21:34.34 | foxlit | no, it shouldn't. |
| 21:38.04 | LexSfX | either way, "script ran too long" should be a lot earlier than 20 seconds |
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| 21:40.53 | foxlit | realistically, no -- you can't expect anything to work properly after aboring the execution in a random place. |
| 21:41.55 | nevcairiel | in combat the limit is pretty strict, out of combat it was specifically relaxed after complaints |
| 21:41.56 | foxlit | It'd be nice if that behavior was only triggered by some specific key combination (like SIGINT) rather than by a timer. |
| 21:42.17 | LexSfX | i would expect authors to use asynchronous programming to prevent lockups/freezes |
| 21:42.26 | LexSfX | i don't want my game to get frozen ever, personally |
| 21:43.05 | foxlit | You cannot program your way out of this, because nothing even tells you how much time you have remaining. |
| 21:43.52 | nevcairiel | if the options are freeze for 5 seconds or wait 60 seconds for some background job that tries to be nice to your fps to finish, thats an easy choice to make for many people, which eg. Routes for example offers the user a choice to make, click the "foreground" or "background" buttons to optimize the route |
| 21:44.27 | LexSfX | that's a good idea; to have an option |
| 21:44.32 | LexSfX | i would choose "background", personally |
| 21:44.54 | LexSfX | i would prefer that all my addons total have ~16 ms to do stuff, since i want to keep at least 60 fps all the time |
| 21:44.57 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt, it takes forever that way and you want the result now, you are not going to continue playing |
| 21:45.44 | LexSfX | fair enough. that's the beauty of an option |
| 21:45.49 | LexSfX | each person gets their own choice |
| 21:46.44 | nevcairiel | I want a high fps when i'm actually playing the game, when I sit there setting up a farming route, I don't really care :) |
| 21:47.42 | LexSfX | all i'm saying is that if i could set a CVar that controls the "script ran too long" error, i would set it lower |
| 21:47.46 | LexSfX | for myself |
| 21:47.55 | LexSfX | and then fix any addons that caused the error |
| 21:48.09 | LexSfX | or remove them if i can replace them |
| 21:48.42 | foxlit | You can already do that by just writing more code. |
| 21:48.58 | nevcairiel | strict rules like that do really only do one thing, cause you annoyance |
| 21:49.20 | nevcairiel | because if an addon already does exceed processing times a lot, you would notice anyway since the game hangs |
| 21:49.30 | foxlit | just hook every addon entry point, time the amount of time the call takes, and it if exceeds your magical boundary, uninstall away. |
| 21:49.42 | nevcairiel | but if it takes 17ms instead of 15ms to build its complex UI, noone is going to care, realistically |
| 21:49.57 | foxlit | (the achievements frame takes like 200ms to load on a good day) |
| 21:50.49 | foxlit | in unrelated news, https://www.townlong-yak.com/bugs/Mx7CWN-RefreshOverread |
| 21:50.59 | foxlit | and https://www.townlong-yak.com/bugs/JnwPCt-InterfaceOptions |
| 21:51.42 | nevcairiel | another rehashing trick to reset various tables? |
| 21:52.50 | foxlit | can't really ship a secure loadstring(). |
| 21:56.43 | Meorawr | That rehash trick gives me some terrible ideas, thanks :) |
| 22:00.10 | nevcairiel | you can only reset nils from "nil but tainted" to "truely nil" that way, not convert actual entries to secure |
| 22:01.37 | znf | that reminds me, I'm actually having an issue with my game randomly freezing for short intervals since 8.2.5 |
| 22:01.38 | Meorawr | That's actually exactly what I needed for something I was tempted to investigate |
| 22:01.52 | znf | can't replicate on 8.3.0 with the same addons |
| 22:02.27 | znf | wonder how can I debug |
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| 22:29.54 | LexSfX | znf: i'm not sure if this is the best profiler, but i've used this in the past to find a few misbehaving functions: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/fprof |
| 22:37.52 | znf | LexSfX, sadly I don't think it will help me |
| 22:38.02 | znf | I just did an M+ run, game never froze |
| 22:38.05 | znf | it's so inconsistent |
| 22:51.56 | znf | hmm, my Skillet broke |
| 22:55.01 | znf | foxlit, actually, it seems that I can't launch Engineering from OPie for some reasons |
| 22:55.09 | znf | but I can launch it from the panel |
| 22:57.14 | foxlit | znf: are we talking about the version of opie from five minutes ago? |
| 22:57.41 | znf | nope, twitch didn't give it to me yet |
| 23:02.37 | foxlit | client bug, your /cast Engineering is broken. |
| 23:02.55 | znf | :o |
| 23:23.42 | TheDanW | i script ran too long thing used to be much more aggressive, but i relaxed it some because there's some API calls that could block and it would incorrectly interrupt the addon (for example, calling load addon might load large saved vars from disk or more addons) and there were no reasonable options for addon authors to mitigate or predict |
| 23:24.15 | TheDanW | however, i definitely set it less than 20s ;p i know its been tweaked a few times since, idk exactly what the rules are now |
| 23:33.22 | LexSfX | yeah, when loading, it makes sense to be more relaxed |
| 23:36.32 | Funkeh` | or PlaySoundFile |
| 23:36.35 | Funkeh` | That was damn fun |
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