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| 00:46.21 | Nimhfree_ | Is there any recommended way to ensure text is not too wide when added using GameTooltip:AddLine()? I have a large amount of text that makes the GameTooltip overly wide. |
| 00:48.47 | foxlit | it takes an argument that allows the line to wrap |
| 01:04.44 | Nimhfree_ | foxlit: Thanks, that seems to work well. |
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| 03:24.44 | MooreaWow | hooks |
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| 06:53.29 | Elmoe | anyone know if there is a way to export your issues from curseforge? |
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| 12:18.34 | foxlit | "What happens if I donât sign up to move my Guardians to Steam? > Unfortunately, Destiny will no longer be available on Blizzardâs Battle.net after October 1. We hope youâll follow us to our new home to continue your journey. It just wouldnât be the same without you." |
| 12:19.44 | foxlit | clear as mud: will it actually delete all your data and require you to re-purchase the thing if you fail to click a button by oct 1? |
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| 12:27.12 | Ennea | i'm guessing yes |
| 12:27.25 | Ennea | but they probably didn't want to put that out there bluntly |
| 12:30.46 | foxlit | sounds like the kind of thing you'd want to state in GIANT RED LETTERS to not get a storm of "you never told me you'd delete my stuff, I'm never trusting you with anything again!" complaints. |
| 12:42.11 | Ennea | yea, agreed |
| 12:42.19 | Ennea | i was wondering why they were so vague about that as well |
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| 13:53.01 | Ennea | according to https://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/, WoW subscriber count increased by 223% after the release of classic |
| 14:04.21 | nevcairiel | the name doesnt inspire confidence |
| 14:07.00 | Ennea | not really, but computerbase used them as a source, so i'd trust the data more or less |
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| 14:43.53 | Gnarfoz | you shouldn't, it's pure guesswork, and CB drew wrong conclusions as well |
| 14:44.39 | Gnarfoz | comparing BfA's revenue (which is a pay-once game) to subscription revenue (which contains both BfA and Classic), without having access to actual subscriber numbers? yeah, totally trustworthy |
| 14:45.35 | Gnarfoz | (also, on a professional level, they don't inspire much confidence, either :P they're a customer of ours / use our market research data as well) |
| 14:45.47 | nevcairiel | so its your shady data |
| 14:46.04 | Gnarfoz | our data also does not cover wow subscriptions :shrug: :D |
| 14:46.13 | Gnarfoz | (BfA sales, though) |
| 14:46.27 | nevcairiel | well box sales are easier to track, i guess |
| 14:46.36 | Gnarfoz | they are indeed |
| 14:46.49 | foxlit | BfA boxes, though? |
| 14:46.59 | nevcairiel | presumably there is also data on digital sales |
| 14:47.22 | Gnarfoz | (there is indeed) |
| 14:47.30 | Gnarfoz | but yes, boxes exist as well ^^ |
| 14:48.09 | nevcairiel | if you had all t he data you could of course measure subscription count growth of classic release and bfa release, but that data is not available, and in the case of classic even would require quite some guesswork since its one sub for both |
| 14:48.15 | Gnarfoz | I don't have my login for our games thing handy, maybe I'll check monday :D |
| 14:48.41 | foxlit | nevcairiel: presumably there is also data on digital sales << "how" is an interesting question there. |
| 14:49.12 | nevcairiel | game sales is something blizzard presumably even releases |
| 14:49.42 | foxlit | in a coarse "units sold in the X months since release worldwide" kind of way, I imagine. |
| 14:49.45 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: by them giving them to us :> |
| 14:50.01 | Gnarfoz | (us being market researchers) |
| 14:50.03 | foxlit | is it just blizzard's self-reporting? |
| 14:51.04 | Gnarfoz | it's more of a "you give us this, we give you access to our tools" usually, but I'm not actually up to date if a) Activision Blizzard is one of our suppliers at the moment and b) if their deal is one that works that particular way |
| 14:51.20 | foxlit | (one could imagine a world where the payment infrastructure leaks aggregated spending details) |
| 14:52.35 | Gnarfoz | depending on scope of data/"worth" of data, one party or the other might pay a bit on top ^^ |
| 14:53.16 | Gnarfoz | I'm definitely not privy to that side, but I should be able to check the DB and see if they send us sales figures ^^ |
| 14:57.34 | nevcairiel | speaking of box sales, that 15y collectors box should arrive soon-ish, shouldnt it |
| 14:57.57 | nevcairiel | apparently october 8th |
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| 15:20.41 | JoBbZ | nevcairiel: so, after that very long discussion yesterday, I was digging through the code further, and found that it was already looping using CastSpell to pull up each specific profession, which then triggers a TRADE_SKILL_SHOW event, which then causes the skill database update for that given profession |
| 15:21.26 | JoBbZ | nevcairiel: the problem is that a result of zero is coming back from that loop for professions like cooking, etc, which is what was causing the db to be wiped out. For now, I've removed calling that routine, and the tradeskills will only update the recipe db on a direct open of the skill window for a given profession |
| 15:31.26 | JoBbZ | nevcairiel: so something definitely wrong somewhere in that the API is returning zero known recipes for an actively called tradeskill, probably the call on my end isn't doing what's expected |
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| 17:14.11 | znf | Bats are weird these days https://i.imgur.com/BCGRvbo.png |
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| 17:37.08 | foxlit | from the pile of things that are interesting but I didn't know: Danske Bank actually issues GBP notes like https://danskebank.co.uk/about-us/bank-notes/ten-pound-polymer-note |
| 18:04.22 | Ennea | Gnarfoz, who's a customer of yours, CB or the data site? |
| 18:04.34 | Gnarfoz | SuperData |
| 18:04.36 | Ennea | ah |
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| 18:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | that was odd |
| 18:06.49 | Mr_Rabies | znc is gettin weird |
| 18:08.06 | Mr_Rabies | it's running into some weird stuff with +r |
| 18:08.39 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's trying to join the channel before it's allowed to and my client is thinking it's actually in the channel or something |
| 18:08.53 | Gnarfoz | auth via sasl and you'll always be allowed |
| 18:09.06 | Mr_Rabies | how does that work? |
| 18:09.17 | Gnarfoz | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/sasl |
| 18:10.39 | Gnarfoz | (it happens on connect, so you'd never be joining before being authed) |
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| 18:17.57 | Mr_Rabies | test |
| 18:18.01 | Mr_Rabies | hey i think i got it |
| 18:18.09 | Gnarfoz | \o/ |
| 18:18.14 | Ennea | /o\ |
| 18:18.50 | Mr_Rabies | i think i got SSL connection working too, neat |
| 18:31.53 | znf | What's the max upload size on WoWI? |
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| 18:34.55 | znf | And 2: why can't I see "Graphic UI Mods" under "Stand-Alone Addons" when uploading a new one? |
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| 18:36.52 | znf | Also, is there no way to delete an addon from WoWI? |
| 18:38.58 | Mr_Rabies | probably requires manual request |
| 18:39.26 | znf | Do I need to poke someone here? :P |
| 18:39.27 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why i said that |
| 18:39.30 | Mr_Rabies | i have no clue |
| 18:39.30 | Mr_Rabies | lmao |
| 18:39.40 | znf | oh, also: Max Size: 100.00 MB |
| 18:39.40 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:39.40 | znf | :( |
| 18:39.48 | znf | found a way to upload to the correct category |
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| 18:46.01 | Ennea | if you're over 100 mb, just split into multiple |
| 18:46.02 | Ennea | duh |
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| 19:07.42 | znf | I don't get how this was just 38MB https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17774-CleanIcons-Square.html |
| 19:07.48 | znf | I do the same thing, I get 200MB |
| 19:08.26 | Gnarfoz | compression? ^^ |
| 19:08.38 | znf | BLP? |
| 19:08.48 | Alram | compression? :D |
| 19:08.54 | znf | >_< |
| 19:09.23 | znf | truth be told, I was in a hurry to share to a friend and I didn't use compression, but... they're PNGs converted to BLPs |
| 19:09.29 | znf | Do they actually compress, at all? |
| 19:09.47 | Alram | there's DXT support |
| 19:10.09 | znf | Be more clearer? :P |
| 19:10.15 | Alram | "yes" |
| 19:10.50 | znf | the BLP converter has 2 formats that mention DXT |
| 19:10.57 | znf | DXT1_A0, DXT3 |
| 19:11.06 | Alram | DXT3 should work |
| 19:12.35 | znf | well, it should already be DXT3, as the converter specifies: PNG_RGBA > BLP_DXT3 |
| 19:13.07 | Alram | there's a few pixel formats |
| 19:13.26 | Alram | but if its already DXT3 maybe try pngcrushing the originals? |
| 19:13.33 | Alram | whonose |
| 19:15.41 | znf | XPBonus_Icon.blp (BLP_DXT5) -> png/XPBonus_Icon.png (PNG_RGBA) |
| 19:15.54 | znf | hmm, why can't I make DXT5? (bigger number is better, right?) |
| 19:16.07 | Alram | i guess it doesnt support it yet |
| 19:16.44 | Ennea | i'd be surprised if crushing the png would turn into a smaller blp |
| 19:16.47 | Ennea | that shouldn't happen, right? |
| 19:16.53 | Alram | nah it shouldnt |
| 19:16.55 | znf | I'd say the same |
| 19:16.57 | Alram | stupid |
| 19:17.41 | Ennea | have you tried compressed tga? dunno how their size compares |
| 19:17.45 | Ennea | probably still larger.. |
| 19:18.22 | znf | Didn't we establish last week that the game doesn't do compressed TGA? |
| 19:18.47 | znf | As in, it won't load compressed TGAs directly? |
| 19:18.50 | znf | or did I missunderstand? |
| 19:20.28 | Ennea | oh yea, you're replacing icons |
| 19:20.30 | Ennea | good point |
| 19:20.39 | Ennea | i dunno if it does with icons actually |
| 19:20.45 | Ennea | my guess was it doesn't, but who knows |
| 19:20.52 | Ennea | and WoW can do tga with compression |
| 19:20.55 | Ennea | at least according to the wiki |
| 19:20.58 | MooreaTv | blp is slightly better than tga for same image if I recall (size wise) both formats suck though |
| 19:21.14 | Ennea | well, tga is lossless at least |
| 19:22.33 | MooreaTv | so is png but not as badly compressed as tga/blp |
| 19:22.46 | Ennea | the game can handle tga, though ;) |
| 19:22.48 | Ennea | but not pn |
| 19:22.49 | Ennea | g |
| 19:23.01 | Ennea | making tga the only lossless choice |
| 19:23.09 | znf | well, you can optimize PNG in different ways, palletize them, but I doubt those enhancements would transfer to BLPs |
| 19:23.16 | Ennea | nah |
| 19:23.27 | Ennea | i'm sure they don't |
| 19:24.00 | MooreaTv | someone said they think internally wow can handle png, just not open to wow addons sadly |
| 19:24.01 | znf | ah, ok, so... https://i.imgur.com/lwpFYEz.png |
| 19:24.07 | Ennea | hm, tga with compression isn't even too bad |
| 19:24.10 | znf | I'm converting them wrong |
| 19:24.18 | Ennea | tried it on one of my textures |
| 19:24.25 | Ennea | png is 6.6kb, tga with rle is 8.3kb |
| 19:24.30 | Ennea | not super bad |
| 19:24.51 | Meorawr | BLP is more of a container for different texture formats, you can have uncompressed 8-bit ARGB BLP textures just fine since the format has a flag for it. |
| 19:25.17 | Ennea | hm, TIL |
| 19:25.48 | znf | so I guess I'll force it to convert to DXT3, regardless of Alpha channel |
| 19:26.24 | Ennea | aren't your icons square, anyway? no need for an alpha channe; |
| 19:26.26 | Ennea | *channel |
| 19:26.27 | Ennea | geez |
| 19:26.31 | Ennea | fat fingers today |
| 19:26.38 | znf | they are, yes |
| 19:26.49 | znf | but some actually do have an alpha channel, don't ask me why |
| 19:27.04 | znf | 8XP_VulperaFlute for example |
| 19:27.41 | Ennea | hm |
| 19:28.09 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/OjRrYLs.png |
| 19:29.03 | Ennea | huh.. |
| 19:29.12 | Ennea | probably overlooked |
| 19:29.24 | znf | probably, but I found a few more when randomly looked around |
| 19:31.33 | znf | oh god, BLP_DXT3 takes a while... |
| 19:34.41 | znf | parallel() { local workers=$1 handler=$2 w i; shift 2; local elements=("$@"); for (( w = 0; w < workers; ++w )); do for (( i = w; i < ${#elements[@]}; i += workers )); do "$handler" "${elements[i]}"; done & done; wait; }; |
| 19:34.43 | znf | let's see :D |
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| 19:53.15 | Ennea | hm.. when closing the default BankFrame, a BANKFRAME_CLOSED event is fired (two, actually, but i assume one is from manually closing it while still close to the bank npc) and the bank npc stops facing towards the player and says their goodbye |
| 19:53.36 | Ennea | what exactly triggers this? how would i replicate this from an addon? |
| 19:57.43 | Ennea | hm, calling ShowUIPanel(BankFrame) and then HideUIPanel(BankFrame) right after actually does the trick, although i gotta admit that seems kinda dirty ;) any better way? |
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| 20:12.15 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/NWsP4XO.png |
| 20:12.16 | znf | hmm |
| 20:15.41 | znf | hmm, ok, zipping it with compression brings it down to 55.6MB |
| 20:16.17 | Ennea | ah.. answering my own question: CloseBankFrame() does the trick |
| 20:16.52 | Ennea | should've checked BankFrame's onhide handler earlier.. |
| 20:16.52 | znf | I'm not sure why the hell zip compresion has any effect on a bunch of BLPs, tough |
| 20:17.03 | Ennea | because the format is not ideal, i'm guessing |
| 20:17.30 | Meorawr | There'll be parts it can still compress, like most of the BLP headers would be the same for each file for instance. |
| 20:17.51 | Ennea | oh yea, and that |
| 20:17.53 | znf | yeah, I guess that is true, but headers aren't that large |
| 20:18.06 | Ennea | but that's 50%.. blp doesn't have headers that large, does it? |
| 20:18.11 | Ennea | oh, same thought :D |
| 20:18.20 | foxlit | I don't think zip actually compresses anything across files. |
| 20:18.23 | znf | 6.50KB for BLP, 5.26KB for the PNG |
| 20:18.32 | znf | also, what foxlit said |
| 20:18.48 | Ennea | hmm |
| 20:18.48 | znf | I think zip compresses every file individually |
| 20:18.55 | Ennea | try zipping a single blp |
| 20:19.00 | znf | I did |
| 20:19.08 | znf | 2.57KB |
| 20:19.14 | znf | from 6.50KB |
| 20:19.25 | Ennea | and, well, try looking at one with a hex editor. see if you find anything that can obviously be compressed well :) |
| 20:19.57 | Meorawr | Ah yeah, they're compressed individually |
| 20:20.17 | znf | now I'm actually curious if I optimize the PNG before |
| 20:21.00 | znf | optimizing the PNG gets it from 5.26 to 3.39 |
| 20:21.41 | Ennea | o.O |
| 20:21.48 | Ennea | oh, just the png |
| 20:22.20 | znf | ...and then converting it to BLP results in... |
| 20:22.24 | znf | 3.82KB |
| 20:22.27 | Ennea | haha |
| 20:22.29 | Ennea | what the hell |
| 20:22.33 | Ennea | now i'm surprised |
| 20:22.34 | znf | Yeah, did not expect that at all |
| 20:22.42 | Alram | what |
| 20:22.43 | Alram | how |
| 20:22.55 | znf | I've no idea man |
| 20:23.11 | znf | gonna try with a different icon, more colorfoul, this is pretty black-ish |
| 20:30.17 | znf | ok, I couldn't replicate with Ability_Ambush.png |
| 20:30.27 | znf | resulting BLP is same size, be it compressed or not |
| 20:30.35 | znf | gonna try again, maybe I screwed up something |
| 20:37.42 | znf | Oh. |
| 20:37.46 | znf | ok, so, Alram |
| 20:38.28 | znf | https://pastie.dev/e6HjEv.coffeescript |
| 20:38.33 | znf | DXT3 is actually larger! |
| 20:38.38 | znf | because of the alpha channel |
| 20:38.43 | Alram | A+ compression |
| 20:40.20 | znf | but that's A LOT of extra data, wtf :D |
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| 21:19.31 | Gnarfoz | [21:24:42] <MooreaTv> someone said they think internally wow can handle png, just not open to wow addons sadly <-- at least that's what I understood from TSquare at BlizzCon 2013 :-) |
| 21:20.02 | MooreaTv | one would wish that by 2019 it'd be better :) |
| 21:20.12 | MooreaTv | but hey, 2020 maybe :) |
| 21:20.17 | Meorawr | Yeah, plus the filelist on wow.tools lists some internal-only and unreleased PNG files, and quite a lot of them. |
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| 22:28.28 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> @TSquare, Scholomance on Classic returns as ScholomanceOLD. You might want to send that over to the team so it can be fixed. ð |
| 22:29.46 | Alram | i mean |
| 22:29.49 | Alram | its not wrong |
| 22:30.30 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> No, it isn't but still not the right name ð |
| 22:30.34 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352937627948941312/625095611632320512/chrome_80s14YZWuB.png |
| 22:31.32 | Alram | that's from inside a classic client too? |
| 22:32.02 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> yea thats where the data is coming from.. the bnet returns |
| 22:32.11 | Alram | ah bnet |
| 22:32.29 | Alram | was wondering, don't see that area name in classic dbcs |
| 22:33.28 | Alram | [x] neat |
| 22:33.43 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> yea normal bnet returns just classic |
| 22:33.56 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> well their list does |
| 22:34.52 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> but if you reorganize the returns you can build it better which is what I do |
| 22:36.07 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> that screenshot tho is from retail using a server id conversion table |
| 22:37.15 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> it still returns ScholomanceOLD in Classic, I checked. |
| 22:37.39 | Alram | it'd make sense if it returned an areaid |
| 22:37.44 | Alram | and retail would look it up in its own db |
| 22:38.23 | Alram | but i guess if it returns the wrong area string that whatever areatable bnet is looking at is from retail |
| 22:40.01 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> I'll just gsub it out for now |
| 23:00.54 | znf | Ok, so converting all the icons to DXT1, no alpha channel, gets me to 49.5MB |
| 23:01.14 | znf | ...and I just realized now that I should have exported the 8.2.5 Icons to do this... |
| 23:08.29 | *** join/#wowuidev jlelz (~skyfyre@2605:e000:141f:c09f:8422:3863:e576:cf4) |
| 23:16.33 | jlelz | hi all. wondering if ace framework is still a thing and if you prefer something else. thanks ^.^ |
| 23:38.13 | znf | Ace is pretty much the only framework for addon development |
| 23:38.28 | znf | You don't have to use it, but then you'd have to reinvent the wheel |
