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| 00:20.23 | sylvanaar | Looking for input on Prat's new "Mentions" module - basically an @mention feature - proposal here: https://github.com/sylvanaar/prat-3-0/issues/14 |
| 00:21.57 | znf | I'll have to agree with nev |
| 00:23.32 | znf | AcidWeb, what denoise did you end up using, btw? I don't have that much of a scroll buffer, and mine turned out to be a bit weird-ish https://i.imgur.com/cqWMWTn.png (re: icons upscaling) |
| 00:23.32 | sylvanaar | yeah - there needs to be some kind of opt-in or opt-out |
| 00:24.23 | znf | So if I understand corectly, if you @mention me in /gchat, I also automatically get a whisper from you? |
| 00:26.30 | znf | plus, the auto-squelch, if I have 2 chat tabs open, do you squelch both? |
| 00:27.07 | znf | (not that many people use more than 1 tab for chat, btw, unless they have that tab-for-whispers activated) |
| 00:35.46 | sylvanaar | so the proposal is innocently about you not missing messages |
| 00:36.02 | sylvanaar | How we go about it is why there is a proposal to begin with |
| 00:36.29 | sylvanaar | if we do the WHISPER approach you do not need an addon to participate |
| 00:36.56 | Ressy | If you do the whisper approach you're going to piss off people who don't use the addon. |
| 00:37.35 | nevcairiel | the way I see it, its my business to have my client notify me, through addons or otherwise, not other players to whisper me, unless they actually want to talk in whisper |
| 00:37.55 | Ressy | ^ |
| 00:38.28 | nevcairiel | imagine actually chatting in guild chat actively and then someone does a @nevcairiel and i get a whisper while chatting to them actively, thats just disrupting and annoying if I don't have an addon to actively recognize that i'm actually paying attention already |
| 00:38.36 | Ressy | mmhm |
| 00:50.27 | sylvanaar | I |
| 00:50.54 | sylvanaar | Iâm taking nevcairiel s concerns very seriously |
| 00:51.53 | sylvanaar | What if we did it over an addon channel with a lib |
| 00:55.57 | foxlit | If you have something on the receiving end listening for whispers, it might as well just flag the original mention to begin with. |
| 01:01.36 | foxlit | (also, wouldn't the "hey I mentioned you!1!!" whisper die in scrollback just as easily as the original message if the recepient is not reading chat?) |
| 01:05.34 | Gnarfoz | doesn't prat already have a chat highlight module that does this |
| 01:06.00 | Gnarfoz | or was that BasicChatMods |
| 01:07.22 | Gnarfoz | [00:42:29] <TukuiDevs> <Azilroka> anyone figure out how to keep the realm selected in classic yet? <-- yep, bother your nearest wow dev :D the client ignores the relevant cvar, which is a bug |
| 01:12.10 | sylvanaar | good points |
| 01:12.48 | sylvanaar | if it is a whisper it will show up in things like WIM |
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| 01:16.47 | sylvanaar | Foxlit: they may not be in that channel on any frame |
| 01:21.40 | foxlit | I don't know how you chat. Does that mean that you're pinging someone in a channel they're not in at all, or just that they switched away from the frame displaying that channel? |
| 01:22.18 | Gnarfoz | ~seen viad |
| 01:22.19 | purl | viad <~Vlad@cm-84.213.147.218.getinternet.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 9h 23m 11s ago, saying: 'not even easy to try to figure out why, but probably changes to .net or something https://pastebin.com/raw/j25WzxBK'. |
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| 01:33.30 | znf | sylvanaar, I see you're strongly trying to annoy more people, basically :D |
| 01:33.36 | znf | the auto-gratz feature wasn't enough :D |
| 01:36.12 | Gnarfoz | p3lim: would you care to fix QuickQuest for Classic? |
| 01:36.45 | Gnarfoz | (I'm not sure if that would require going back to crappy methods of yesteryear or whatever, it just throws some errors ^^) |
| 01:37.43 | p3lim | I'd happily take patches that make it work on both clients, but I'm not playing classic |
| 01:38.16 | Gnarfoz | fair enough :-) |
| 01:39.47 | sylvanaar | Znf: I canât win with you guys |
| 01:40.04 | znf | then why are you asking for our permission? |
| 01:40.14 | sylvanaar | Iâm not |
| 01:40.24 | sylvanaar | Fuck it |
| 01:40.53 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: why not just extend the existing Highlight module to also play a notification sound? |
| 01:41.10 | Gnarfoz | that keeps it receiver-side and improves it at the same time |
| 01:41.39 | sylvanaar | It already does that |
| 01:41.54 | znf | So why do you feel you need more? |
| 01:42.13 | sylvanaar | It was suggested to me by a couple people |
| 01:42.34 | znf | people are dumb |
| 01:42.42 | Gnarfoz | hm, my Highlight.lua contains no references to sound, but maybe it works differently than I expect |
| 01:42.47 | sylvanaar | Whatever |
| 01:43.03 | sylvanaar | Popupmessage does it |
| 01:43.31 | znf | like, if someone whispers me because he mentioned me and I "somehow missed it", I'm just gonna put him on fucking ignore, so he can properly feel ignored |
| 01:43.45 | znf | I have a sound for highlights in BCM, if I wanted more... |
| 01:43.59 | sylvanaar | Thatâs the purpose of the proposal |
| 01:44.14 | sylvanaar | Not for you to insult me |
| 01:44.28 | znf | I'm not sure where I insulted you |
| 01:44.38 | sylvanaar | Ok |
| 01:45.38 | znf | I'm simply saying that everyone thinks has great ideas for addons these days, and they keep shoving these suggestions towards addon authors |
| 01:46.10 | znf | But most of these new features I've noticed in the past few months are spammy and annoying as hell |
| 01:46.29 | sylvanaar | Canât you just comment on it like nev did without say my personal goal is to annoy everyone |
| 01:46.46 | sylvanaar | Whatâs wrong with you? |
| 01:47.19 | sylvanaar | You think I want to do that ! |
| 01:47.25 | znf | There's around 3-4 addons for Rares these days going around the playerbase that spam when they see a rare continously, like 4-5 messages in chat about the same rare from different people... annoying as hell |
| 01:48.07 | znf | well, dunno, do you? the gratz feature was insanely annoying :) |
| 01:48.15 | sylvanaar | Fair enough |
| 01:48.30 | znf | thankfully people have stopped using it |
| 01:48.33 | sylvanaar | I was trying not to repeat the mistake |
| 01:49.03 | znf | also, re: autocomplete, doesn't prat have a tab-complete module? |
| 01:49.27 | sylvanaar | They stopped because I switched it off |
| 01:49.32 | sylvanaar | It does |
| 01:50.28 | znf | and how would it work with @autocomplete ? |
| 01:50.39 | sylvanaar | Idk exactly |
| 01:50.56 | sylvanaar | Itâs a proposal |
| 01:51.02 | znf | I don't think you can easily do that unless you rewrite the whole edit-box |
| 01:51.13 | sylvanaar | Might be true |
| 01:51.26 | sylvanaar | Was just a brain dump |
| 01:51.56 | sylvanaar | I donât expect you guys to kiss my ass and tell me everything is great |
| 01:53.01 | znf | plus, makes you wonder how would you get the list of users and where you would stop gathering it |
| 01:53.43 | sylvanaar | I have a list of users. At the very least from the channel the @ mention is in |
| 01:54.01 | sylvanaar | Which could be on another tab |
| 01:54.28 | znf | yeah, but where do you stop collecting the list? |
| 01:54.34 | sylvanaar | Never |
| 01:55.04 | sylvanaar | Currently |
| 01:55.04 | znf | because people have similar names, starting with the same 2-3 letters, maybe |
| 01:55.26 | znf | but I certainly don't care to talk with @t-guy-that-never-spoke-a-line-in-chat-in-his-life-but-he-is-in-the-channel |
| 01:55.26 | sylvanaar | Itâs true. Thatâs a good point |
| 01:55.56 | znf | But I want to mention the @t-guy-who-spoke-2-minutes-ago |
| 01:55.56 | znf | :P |
| 01:56.09 | sylvanaar | So maybe limit it to non Numbered channels |
| 01:56.24 | sylvanaar | Thatâs valid feedback |
| 01:56.53 | znf | I've been using this for years and it's a bit annoying, for example https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6761-NickCompleter.html |
| 01:57.05 | znf | I had to fix it for myself at a point |
| 01:57.16 | znf | but talking in /1, /2 etc. is sometimes annoying |
| 01:57.21 | sylvanaar | Guild party raid bg etc |
| 01:57.51 | sylvanaar | Fair enough |
| 01:58.21 | znf | ie: sometimes I want to highlight someone in a raid/dungeon/bg, and it auto-completes people from my guild :P |
| 01:59.08 | sylvanaar | Well maybe itâs limited to the current channel |
| 01:59.56 | sylvanaar | I have that info |
| 02:01.08 | znf | also, where the hell did they put the channel window in-game these days |
| 02:01.21 | znf | ah, found it |
| 02:01.37 | znf | I only see people from my server in it, tough |
| 02:02.53 | sylvanaar | Idk. Havenât started to implement |
| 02:03.10 | znf | not sure if literally only people from my servers are in the channel now :D |
| 02:08.50 | sylvanaar | Comment on the proposal. You obviously have strong opinions on it |
| 02:09.51 | sylvanaar | Thatâs what I am looking for |
| 02:13.28 | znf | Agree with nev, it would be annoying to be whispered out of the blue by someone @mentioning me, especially without giving consent first |
| 02:14.13 | znf | Bundle it up in a library, for other people to implement it, if they want. Have it be opt-in. Use addon communication channel to check if X has opted in. |
| 02:14.51 | znf | Maybe you want to enable it by default in prat, whatever. Just don't annoy people without the addon. |
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| 02:18.14 | Dejablue | Hey guys. Does anyone know if Blizzard fixed casting mana regen? local base, casting = GetManaRegen() |
| 02:18.14 | Dejablue | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.28 | znf | Also, remember to notify the user that they will be sending a whisper when notifying someone |
| 02:33.55 | znf | oook, note to self, do not use cuDNN when playing a game O.O |
| 02:36.33 | Dejablue | lol |
| 03:05.01 | znf | I can't decide which model & denoise to use https://toaster.linge-ma.ro/waifu2x/ |
| 03:05.02 | znf | :-/ |
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| 03:52.08 | MooreaTv | some dude at my server's AH has 1000 firefin snapper listed... I find the quantity... fishy |
| 03:54.58 | MooreaTv | seems like cloning |
| 04:27.38 | znf | MooreaTv, or, you know, he fished a lot |
| 04:28.45 | znf | maybe he multibox-fished :) |
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| 05:28.26 | Kaelten | what's best for lua development these days? |
| 05:29.00 | Kaelten | I was last using IntelliJ with the lua extension, missed the WoW specific stuff I used to have in TextMate though... |
| 06:03.36 | MooreaTv | I don't think so... also quite odd they only have that fish and not the oily blackmouth for instance |
| 06:04.00 | MooreaTv | i use visual studio code |
| 06:33.30 | MooreaTv | I just checked all the auctions, it's the only thing they sell... |
| 06:34.01 | MooreaTv | over 59 stacks |
| 06:35.54 | Chipzz | MooreaTv: is cloning even a thing? I doubt it is, it's not like Diablo where your inventory is stored in a file on-disk, inventory is stored on the server? |
| 06:36.31 | MooreaTv | well how do you explain a guy having more fish that possibly fishable 24x7 |
| 06:36.58 | MooreaTv | and amazingly exactly 1 fish (you never get 1 kind of fish if you actually fish) |
| 06:37.00 | Chipzz | errr what? |
| 06:37.49 | Mr_Rabies | Chipzz: duping has been a problem in the past but they clean it up when they find it typically pretty fast |
| 06:38.02 | Mr_Rabies | seems like something with the remote ah was allowing duping which is part of why they shut it down |
| 06:38.47 | Chipzz | MooreaTv: first of all, it's perfectly possible to fish1000 fish in 24h, that amount would actually take you 8h20m, so he could get 3K even |
| 06:38.50 | Chipzz | second |
| 06:39.40 | Chipzz | had it occurred to you that maybe the fish he put in AH were "trash" to him because he didn't need them? and maybe, just maybe, he didn't post the oily blackmouth because, let's say, he has an alchemy alt? |
| 06:39.49 | MooreaTv | this is classic btw... no huge bags |
| 06:40.16 | MooreaTv | if he had an alchemy alt they would make fire oil and elixir |
| 06:40.16 | Chipzz | if I had an alchemist that is exactly what I would do really |
| 06:40.18 | Mr_Rabies | i would still probably fill out a ticket with your concerns |
| 06:40.30 | Mr_Rabies | might be a dupe bug they need to investigate, or might just be some dude going nuts with fishing |
| 06:40.38 | Chipzz | send the oily bm to my alch alt and AH the rest |
| 06:41.08 | Chipzz | third, like Mr_Rabies said, "duping" problems tend to get fixed really fast, tehey are not a thing |
| 06:41.15 | MooreaTv | you get skill points after oily with the firefin - that's how I stepped on this, I needed the fish for my alch |
| 06:41.23 | Chipzz | so to me just sounds like you're spouting rnadom non-sense? |
| 06:41.35 | Mr_Rabies | they are a thing |
| 06:41.41 | MooreaTv | whatever |
| 06:41.41 | Mr_Rabies | they just get fixed pretty quick when they're found usually |
| 06:42.14 | Chipzz | which menas they're not really a thing (not long-term) |
| 06:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | i would open a ticket if i was in MooreaTv's shoes, at least |
| 06:42.44 | MooreaTv | saying sending firefin to ah and keeping blackmouth when you have alchemy - that is rnadom(sic) non-sense indeed |
| 06:43.14 | MooreaTv | I will once I get old of the seller to ask them |
| 06:43.17 | Chipzz | uhu I suppose you never make typos... :P |
| 06:44.49 | Chipzz | anyway maybe he wasn't trying to skill up alchemy, maybe he was trying to make a lot of oil? |
| 06:45.48 | Mr_Rabies | there's a lot of reasons it might not be a duck |
| 06:46.12 | Mr_Rabies | but it quacks, loves crackers, and loves the water |
| 06:46.41 | Mr_Rabies | it might be a guy in a prettty good duck costume or it might be a duck :v |
| 06:46.49 | Chipzz | IMO "maybe it's duping" might be a little likely when a game first comes out. A stable codebase like WoW which has been around for 15 years? not so much |
| 06:47.24 | Mr_Rabies | classic did just come out and it's a weird mix of old and new data |
| 06:47.32 | Mr_Rabies | so entirely possible something was missed |
| 06:47.39 | Chipzz | but data isn't relevant to duping |
| 06:48.00 | Chipzz | what's relevant is that your wire-protocol doesn't allow duping |
| 06:48.28 | Chipzz | (by sending duplicate packets or sth, dunno) |
| 06:48.32 | Mr_Rabies | it certainly has before, and not all that long ago either |
| 06:48.49 | MooreaTv | there has been bugs and there are problem some left, specially in classic |
| 06:48.58 | MooreaTv | probably even |
| 06:48.58 | Mr_Rabies | duping has been a concern since the game came out, but it's usually reasonably well mitigated |
| 06:49.34 | MooreaTv | they make it hard/impossible to report cheating without right clicking... can't right click on an auction though |
| 06:49.56 | Chipzz | I would argue each time a duping bug gets fixed the change of another one popping up decreases.. but that's just my 2c |
| 06:50.48 | Chipzz | Mr_Rabies: a concern, maybe. but what's relevant is how many duping bugs have existed over the years |
| 06:51.00 | Mr_Rabies | hundreds |
| 06:51.12 | Mr_Rabies | at least |
| 06:51.31 | MooreaTv | it could be plain botting too (delete all other items but that 1 target fish, even valuable ones) |
| 06:51.45 | MooreaTv | either way it needs to go |
| 06:52.14 | Chipzz | is that a number you're pulling out of thin air? or anything to back that up? |
| 06:53.17 | Chipzz | MooreaTv: it really could just be a guy who loves fishing. I've done that in the past too, waste several hours on fishing. defo not out of the realm of the possible |
| 06:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | i've got lots of listings on google for people talking about them as early as 2015 and as recently as 8.1.5 |
| 06:53.48 | MooreaTv | if you did you would have notice you get more than exactly 1 type of valuable thing to sell out of a fishing session |
| 06:53.52 | Chipzz | not to the extent of 1000 fishes, but I think 400-500 before I got bored of it |
| 06:53.59 | Mr_Rabies | that most recent one being on the known largest wow exploit site |
| 06:54.16 | Chipzz | MooreaTv: and what if he just mailed teh fishes to an alt to make room in his bags? |
| 06:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | it could be, but it's certainly worth reporting |
| 06:54.32 | Chipzz | maybe the toon posting on AH was his alt which he sent the fish too |
| 06:54.49 | Chipzz | in which case posting 1000 in a short time-span would be entirely possible |
| 06:55.26 | Chipzz | because he could have spent the whole day fishing/ mailing and then the next day clearing out inbox on alt and posting on AH |
| 06:55.29 | MooreaTv | nvm - it seems the concept of > 1 doesn't come across. I don't need to discuss it further |
| 06:56.10 | Chipzz | MooreaTv: it does come across. but you're just ignoring what I say because it doesn't fit your narrative |
| 06:56.39 | Mr_Rabies | i would say it's just as likely the opposite as well |
| 06:56.41 | Chipzz | because there are plenty of possible explanations which you're dismissing |
| 06:56.47 | MooreaTv | it's the other way around (you have no explanation for exactly 1 thing listed) but I'm done. bye now |
| 06:57.04 | Chipzz | I have plenty of explanation which I gave to you |
| 06:57.08 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying it's most likely someone doing something shady but it might not be |
| 06:57.22 | Chipzz | the most obvious one: the other fish were of interest to him, the ones posted on AH not |
| 06:57.37 | Mr_Rabies | i'd just let a gm handle it since they can see logs you can't |
| 06:58.09 | Chipzz | MooreaTv: very mature, but bb I guess :P |
| 06:58.21 | Mr_Rabies | they may have left a dupe bug in on purpose to drop some folks early, wouldn't surprise me |
| 06:58.34 | Chipzz | "drop"? |
| 06:58.44 | Mr_Rabies | ban wave |
| 06:59.02 | Chipzz | ... why? |
| 06:59.15 | Chipzz | why try to get rid of your own customer-base? |
| 06:59.29 | Chipzz | that makes zero sense |
| 06:59.33 | Mr_Rabies | lure those who are likely to exploit and drop them early |
| 07:01.15 | Chipzz | why do that when you cold instead invest your energy into trying to create a game without bugs? |
| 07:02.23 | Chipzz | you're implying they're intentionally leaving in or even creating bugs, which makes for a bad player experience |
| 07:03.56 | Mr_Rabies | well they are intentionally leaving non-game breaking bugs in classic in many cases, but i'm certain they do leave in various traps to catch exploiters easily |
| 07:04.23 | Mr_Rabies | the kind of stuff that someone playing legitimately would never run into |
| 07:04.24 | Chipzz | that's because of the vocal #nochanges minority ? |
| 07:04.32 | Mr_Rabies | i.e. the cursed items in nazjatar |
| 07:04.37 | Mr_Rabies | those are 100% bot traps |
| 07:05.21 | Mr_Rabies | they didn't announce a reason, but there are quite a few bugs they no longer consider bugs because it's part of vanilla |
| 07:05.42 | Mr_Rabies | an exploit-type one wouldn't be something like that though |
| 07:05.50 | Mr_Rabies | this would be only to catch exploiters and/or botters |
| 07:06.13 | Chipzz | agree that an exploit-type one would not be like that |
| 07:07.15 | Mr_Rabies | https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-not-a-bug-list/175887 |
| 07:07.22 | Mr_Rabies | now some of these are just gameplay quirks |
| 07:07.33 | Mr_Rabies | but some are certainly bugs from their time that have been preserved |
| 07:07.44 | Mr_Rabies | like this one: Taurenâs hitboxes and their melee reach is slightly larger than other races. |
| 07:08.01 | Chipzz | right, but that doesn't allow exploits, does it? |
| 07:08.04 | Ennea | MooreaTv, just 1000 fish? don't they stack in stacks of 20? |
| 07:08.11 | Chipzz | it gives you a disadvantage in BGs |
| 07:08.16 | Ennea | with all 16 slot bags, you don't even need to return to a mailbox inbetween fishing |
| 07:08.45 | Mr_Rabies | nope, that's what i'm saying they wouldn't leave an exploit for nostalgia's sake but they might to catch an exploiter |
| 07:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | or a thousand |
| 07:09.22 | MooreaTv | clearly folks with all 16 slot bags fishing around day and night are common at this stage of the game, makes sense |
| 07:09.28 | Ennea | as for blizz intentionally leaving in bugs.. i sure would've been happy if they had left in an earlier, better version of wall jumping ;D |
| 07:09.42 | Mr_Rabies | same ennea |
| 07:09.51 | Ennea | MooreaTv, extreme example. four 16 slot bags + the backpack gives you 80 inventory slots |
| 07:09.55 | Mr_Rabies | but i'll never forget the few weeks before classic |
| 07:09.59 | Ennea | fill each with a 20 stack and you have 1600 of a single item |
| 07:10.01 | Mr_Rabies | where druids could fly in the old version of azeroth |
| 07:10.11 | Ennea | so if you reduce that to 14 slot bags and a few slots for hearthstone and whatever |
| 07:10.18 | Mr_Rabies | i discovered that by accident and used it for one final look at all the places i used to wall walk |
| 07:10.19 | Ennea | you could still fish a thousand fish without going elsewhere |
| 07:10.25 | MooreaTv | as I said, botting to delete all the other items :) |
| 07:10.30 | MooreaTv | anyyyyyywayyyy |
| 07:10.35 | MooreaTv | sorry I said anything |
| 07:11.14 | Ennea | Mr_Rabies, wasn't there also a bug in the beta/at release, where you could fly a taxi if it clipped into terrain? |
| 07:11.42 | Mr_Rabies | there was a pretty wild one with flying and that one shaman totem that let you see through it |
| 07:11.43 | Ennea | i distinctly remember some videos where, for some reason, a taxi mount clipped into terrain. which ended up stopping the taxi route, lagging like hell and the player being able to control the taxi mount |
| 07:11.53 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah that did happen |
| 07:11.57 | Mr_Rabies | i had it happen to a friend |
| 07:12.00 | Ennea | :D |
| 07:12.02 | Ennea | fun times |
| 07:12.14 | Mr_Rabies | his gryphon flew into the wall infront of stormwind |
| 07:12.20 | Ennea | and, well, the patch where wall jumping worked on every damn surface. i can't remember what patch that was, sadly |
| 07:12.20 | Mr_Rabies | and then after a bit he was able to control it |
| 07:12.24 | Mr_Rabies | then it dced him |
| 07:12.55 | Mr_Rabies | ohhh i remember the shaman one |
| 07:13.01 | Ennea | i remember going to that relatively high up enclosed area in thousand needles and just wall jumping the 20 or so meters up to get on top of everything |
| 07:13.02 | Mr_Rabies | if you used the totem that let you see through it |
| 07:13.05 | Mr_Rabies | and took a taxi |
| 07:13.10 | Mr_Rabies | you could run at taxi speeds on the ground |
| 07:13.12 | Ennea | :D |
| 07:13.14 | Ennea | what the heck |
| 07:13.15 | Mr_Rabies | so long as you didn't stop |
| 07:13.25 | Mr_Rabies | and you could multiply it somehow |
| 07:13.28 | Mr_Rabies | maybe you could stop |
| 07:13.29 | Ennea | damn |
| 07:13.30 | Mr_Rabies | i can't recall |
| 07:13.46 | Mr_Rabies | i remember doing it and being like "my ass is about to get banned for speedhacking let me stop" |
| 07:14.01 | Ennea | campfire also supported collision iirc. i guess the regular campfire didn't have any still, but if you model edited the campfire to a model with collision, it worked |
| 07:14.17 | Ennea | noggenfogger guys were editing it to a model of the dark portal to get into some places you normally couldn't |
| 07:20.33 | Mr_Rabies | i had a lot of fun wallwalking back in the day |
| 07:20.43 | Mr_Rabies | being one of the first people to see hyjal and stuff was fun :v |
| 08:21.35 | sylvanaar | I have updated based upon everyone's feedback: https://github.com/sylvanaar/prat-3-0/issues/14 |
| 08:21.45 | sylvanaar | thanks for the feedback |
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| 10:45.58 | ThiefMaster | [14.09.2019 20:12:09] <Kemayo> ThiefMaster: https://www.wowace.com/projects/serverrestartsound does it. <-- thx! one small improvement would be playing the sound with full volume regardless of ingame volume settings (if that's possible) |
| 10:55.25 | MooreaTv | ^nice |
| 11:28.30 | Ennea | ThiefMaster, don't think it's possible. when playing a sound from an addon, you can only pick existing sound "channels" (sound, music, ...). so if they are all muted or on low volume, the sound you'll be playing will be as well |
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| 11:53.04 | nevcairiel | well you can mess with the volume settings anyway, but thats a bit unfriendly |
| 11:55.40 | Ennea | oh yea, good call |
| 11:55.48 | Ennea | i agree you shouldn't do that in any addon you release publicly though :D |
| 11:58.48 | maunot | you could only raise it to 100 for the duration of the sound (should also make sure BG sound is enabled) but there's always a chance it borks things up anyways :p |
| 12:00.29 | Ennea | even that is shitty |
| 12:00.45 | Ennea | well, as long as the user doesn't specifically expect it at least |
| 12:02.18 | maunot | yeah i'd place that functionality behind some sorta menu setting |
| 12:07.01 | Gnarfoz | play on master, to have the best chance of not being muted ^^ |
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| 14:02.57 | Industrial | Hmm. I'm using Mapster for my World Map and the top side/header of the map is now placed outside of the screen. There is a resize handle on the window but I can't seem to resize it so the header shows. |
| 14:10.00 | maunot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.43 | maunot | should enable the dragging for 3 seconds. can't try, don't have it :P |
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| 17:00.24 | znf | my blizzard update agent has been eating away 25% CPU since last night |
| 17:00.27 | znf | no idea why |
| 17:01.18 | harl | because it's greedy |
| 17:03.34 | znf | :-( |
| 17:23.19 | Mr_Rabies | they went straight to mining crypto |
| 17:37.22 | Funkeh` | That would be great, free WoW sub please |
| 17:38.09 | Funkeh` | Not like WoW is going to take up any significant amount of CPU any time soon so might aswell pay whilst you play |
| 17:39.05 | znf | except that one core pegged to 100% in raids :P |
| 17:39.10 | znf | the rest are idling |
| 17:39.21 | Funkeh` | exactly |
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| 18:09.56 | znf | Ability_DemonHunter_Rain from Above.png |
| 18:10.10 | znf | thanks, whoever that guy was, for using spaces in the filename |
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| 18:32.35 | znf | I wonder if trade chat is as lovely as this on other servers, too: https://i.imgur.com/T9d41Vo.png |
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| 18:39.15 | Mr_Rabies | my server just has one guy |
| 18:39.19 | Mr_Rabies | that always makes a warlock |
| 18:39.24 | Mr_Rabies | that seems to manually spam for boosts |
| 18:39.50 | Mr_Rabies | because he's responded to stuff in trade before |
| 19:08.24 | znf | Wonder how some icons slipped in larger than normal in the interface |
| 19:08.26 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/Zsu1VNP.png |
| 19:08.34 | znf | like 256x256 for Spell_Holy_HopeAndGrace.blp |
| 19:09.49 | Ennea | oh yea, znf, speaking of |
| 19:10.05 | Ennea | i always felt like including borders in the textures was a bad design choice |
| 19:10.10 | Ennea | why are you adding your own now? o.o |
| 19:10.23 | znf | the icons in the game have borders already |
| 19:10.31 | Ennea | yea |
| 19:10.35 | Ennea | i'm aware |
| 19:10.49 | znf | but across different expansions, they've had different art styles |
| 19:10.49 | znf | https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info17774-CleanIcons-Square.html |
| 19:10.52 | Ennea | that's what i meant when i said bad design choice ^^ |
| 19:11.06 | Ennea | heck, they were already different in just vanilla |
| 19:11.16 | znf | so I'm just continuing that projecf |
| 19:11.24 | Ennea | but why not just remove them entirely? |
| 19:11.43 | znf | because everything in the game already assumes that the icons have the borders |
| 19:12.06 | Ennea | aren't there borders overlaying the icon textures in most cases? |
| 19:12.06 | znf | in order for me to remove them, I'd have to scale them up and then crop to 64x64, right? |
| 19:12.23 | Ennea | hm, or just black them out |
| 19:12.28 | znf | but then, a lot of in-game stuff also does that |
| 19:13.24 | znf | so if I resize to, let's say, 72x72, crop to 64x64, that would get rid of the blizzard border, but then any addon in the game assumes they have borders, so they also resize/crop |
| 19:13.50 | Ennea | that's a good point |
| 19:13.52 | znf | ending up with a worse looking icon, scaled and losing information |
| 19:14.11 | znf | ie: those darkmoon card with the numbers on them (A to 8), when doing this, you cut out like half the number |
| 19:16.01 | znf | in turn, I just a slightly modified (I think?) mask that suicitalkatt was using: https://i.imgur.com/Y59wq7J.png |
| 19:17.57 | znf | applying the mask makes them look a bit flatter and at least overall, across expansions, they look the same: https://i.imgur.com/hC7oEqR.png |
| 19:20.28 | znf | and in-game, with WeakAuras (no other border applied or any kind of transformation) you get them like this: https://i.imgur.com/8Qo1H1J.png |
| 19:20.38 | znf | imho, they're far more visually appealing :P |
| 19:21.47 | Ennea | i just slap a border on top of the icon textures ingame anyway |
| 19:21.55 | Ennea | so i don't really care which one the textures have i guess |
| 19:22.25 | znf | but then you get different looks in different addons |
| 19:22.56 | Ennea | most of the ones i use are my own |
| 19:23.02 | Ennea | so i get a consistent look. it's cool ^_^ |
| 19:23.27 | znf | still wondering why \ICONS has weird textures in there |
| 19:24.32 | znf | sorted by size: https://i.imgur.com/aUYE64t.png |
| 19:24.45 | znf | (also the druid talent tree icons are 128x128) |
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| 19:26.19 | Ennea | those are clearly for models |
| 19:26.27 | Ennea | they don't belong in the interface textures folder.. oh well |
| 19:26.38 | znf | yeah, well... :D |
| 19:26.51 | Ennea | pet_type_undead.. the hell happened since i stopped playing retail ._. |
| 19:27.21 | Mr_Rabies | battle pets |
| 19:27.25 | Mr_Rabies | pokemon and such |
| 19:27.56 | Ennea | oh, right. i tried that for a bit i think |
| 19:28.04 | Ennea | hm.. can barely remember though |
| 19:28.09 | Mr_Rabies | hunters can also get spirit beasts which are sorta kinda undead i guess |
| 19:30.47 | znf | my favorite is Thrown_1H_Harpoon_D_01 and THROWN_1H_HARPOON_D_01 |
| 19:33.20 | znf | now, because I completely forgot about the 128x128 and 256x256... I get to do the process again |
| 19:33.21 | znf | :-| |
| 19:37.08 | znf | Someone also had some fun in BfA with faction icons: https://i.imgur.com/XKLsQNQ.png |
| 19:37.15 | znf | why not break the pattern and make them round? >_< |
| 19:38.47 | znf | Legion, too: https://i.imgur.com/dcfRhLF.png |
| 19:54.45 | AcidWeb | because they are used in parts of ui where round icons are used ;p |
| 19:54.59 | AcidWeb | WQ widget |
| 19:56.15 | znf | I know |
| 19:57.13 | znf | at least the Legion ones are consistent, INV_LegionCircle* |
| 19:57.19 | znf | The BfA ones are all over the place |
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| 20:34.24 | znf | There's INV_TalanjisExpedition.blp INV_TortollanSeekers.blp etc. but then there's also INV_Faction_<faction>_Round.blp for BfA |
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| 21:18.49 | znf | OK, so, is there a tool to convert PNG to BLP under linux? Kanma's does BLP->PNG only, and everything I looked at here doesn't seem to do it https://github.com/merfed/Coffee/tree/master/Tools/BLP |
| 21:19.44 | znf | looks at Alram |
| 21:20.08 | Alram | all my tools just implement https://github.com/WoW-Tools/SereniaBLPLib/tree/master/SereniaBLPLib |
| 21:20.11 | Alram | i'm sure there's a thing tho |
| 21:20.51 | znf | That's a C# library :( |
| 21:20.58 | Alram | exactly |
| 21:21.03 | znf | I've no idea how to make that into a functional program :P |
| 21:21.28 | Alram | oh you want to -write- blp |
| 21:21.31 | Alram | yeah no idea good luck with that |
| 21:21.49 | znf | yeah |
| 21:28.31 | Ennea | znf, can't run blpconverter via wine? |
| 21:28.49 | znf | I can, that's not the point |
| 21:28.54 | znf | I'm using WSL anyway |
| 21:29.06 | znf | But I wanted to write some simple instructions of anyone who may want to do the same thing as me |
| 21:29.11 | znf | for* |
| 21:29.14 | Ennea | ah |
| 21:29.39 | znf | And it feels weird to go around saying "yeah, use WSL for imagemagick and bash, then you can actually use this .exe in WSL to convert them" |
| 21:30.21 | Ennea | :D |
| 21:32.00 | AcidWeb | You think that is strange? |
| 21:32.02 | AcidWeb | Look on uname |
| 21:32.04 | AcidWeb | Linux LONDE 4.4.0-18362-Microsoft #1-Microsoft Mon Mar 18 12:02:00 PST 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 21:32.05 | AcidWeb | ð |
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| 21:39.58 | Ennea | that doesn't seem too strange |
| 21:41.02 | znf | yeah, not strange |
| 21:41.04 | znf | I'm used to it :P |
| 22:23.53 | foxlit | grumble, so someone put a "classic" version of OPie on github. Predictably, I now get tickets saying it doesn't work properly. |
| 22:26.18 | znf | takedown request to github |
| 22:26.29 | znf | your license is ARR afaik |
| 22:26.33 | znf | they usually deal with them pretty fast |
| 23:22.52 | Nimhfree_ | I have a problem where if I create a frame and associated fontstring using XML it appears on the quest frame. However, if I try to reproduce it using Lua, the string does not show up. however the OnEnter and and OnLeave scripts work for the location the text should appear. Any advice? |
| 23:28.51 | foxlit | check that your anchors make sense. |
| 23:33.16 | Nimhfree_ | I thought I hadâ¦I put the code here: https://pastebin.com/adWy200R |
| 23:37.41 | foxlit | fontString:SetPoint(...) is conspicuously absent. |
| 23:40.56 | Nimhfree_ | there is no setpoint in the XML which seems to work fine |
| 23:43.02 | foxlit | does your lua code work correctly if you do add e.g. fontString:SetPoint("CENTER")? |
| 23:43.51 | Nimhfree_ | I have just done that and will try in about a minute |
| 23:46.07 | Nimhfree_ | foxlit: you were right. it works properly now. i find it odd the XML does not need that, but Lua does. Câest la vie. |
| 23:49.19 | foxlit | the xml loader likely provides default anchors if you don't specify any. |
| 23:51.51 | MooreaTv | probably inherited by parent template. or like lua textures there is a default SetAllPoints |
| 23:52.38 | MooreaTv | ^by^from |
