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| 00:29.18 | *** topic/#wowuidev is WoW Classic Addon Cat: https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat160.html || 8.2.0 ToC: 80200 || 1.13 ToC: 11302 || http://pastebin.com || Discord: https://discord.gg/sVQCHr5 || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl |
| 00:29.57 | znf | ok, so, you can have 3 of the same rare at the same time https://gfycat.com/shockedboldleopard |
| 00:32.22 | znf | and they have different GUIDs: https://i.imgur.com/9Ejl5nj.png (by the time I found the API command, one died) |
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| 03:28.41 | Semlar | does anyone know if quest objectives have quest text in their tooltips in Classic? |
| 03:28.55 | Semlar | i'm guessing they probably disabled that |
| 03:29.32 | znf | naughty Semlar |
| 03:33.17 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Yea that cvar is gone |
| 03:34.38 | Semlar | well that would explain why QuestPlates doesn't work |
| 03:38.31 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Also removed some reputation functions so it killed my addon too |
| 03:44.39 | Semlar | how rude |
| 03:50.57 | znf | huh, why did my addons suddenly started generating curse points |
| 03:57.18 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Classic? |
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| 04:38.09 | znf | not really, my addons are for pet battles and legion artifact :P |
| 04:38.53 | Semlar | all my addons seem to generate is dust |
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| 07:36.48 | Ennea | is there any resource that has all the paths/file names of all the sound files in the game? |
| 07:37.59 | Ennea | i guess i could browse wow.tools, but that's a lot of files.. hm |
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| 08:14.52 | Industrial | Hi. I've been stuck on "Logging in to game server" for a while now, what could be the problem? I tried deleting my Cache/WTF no change |
| 08:29.47 | Alram | Ennea: there is https://wow.tools/sounds too which is a bit more sound focused |
| 08:30.31 | Ennea | ah, that is helpful. where in the navigation is that? didn't find it |
| 08:30.31 | Alram | it is still WIP so I haven't linked it anywhere yet |
| 08:30.34 | Ennea | i see |
| 08:30.36 | Ennea | thank you :) |
| 08:30.36 | Alram | but it should work well enough |
| 08:31.26 | Ennea | gonna paypal you some money soon, wow.tools has been a great help so far already |
| 08:32.40 | Alram | only if you can spare it! |
| 08:32.45 | Ennea | i can ^_^ |
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| 09:45.36 | Chipzz | 19:48 < znf> the game technically decompresses BLP into TGA anyway, doesn't it? >> I *ex-tre-me-ly* strongly doubt that, given that there is an OpenGL extension which allows you to upload the compressed texture directly to the CPU, which would make uncompressing it first actually take *more* code than not to |
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| 10:24.52 | Alram | BLP just has DXT textures in it |
| 10:25.01 | Alram | (most of the time)\ |
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| 10:45.52 | Jitta | I have updated my addon on curseforge for classic wow. however, it does not show up in the addon list of the twitch client for classic addons, while it does show up for retail. do I have to take some extra steps to make my addon available for classic? |
| 10:45.56 | Chipzz | yes, and DXT is an extension that I doubt is not supported by any current graphics card these days |
| 10:46.15 | Chipzz | actually I doubt there were any cards that did not support it even 10 or 15 years ago |
| 11:00.29 | bluspacecow | @Jitta that's a twitch client bug |
| 11:00.30 | bluspacecow | https://www.reddit.com/r/HPfanfiction/comments/d24ngj/prompt_ron_can_only_get_off_while_watching_dudley/ |
| 11:00.36 | bluspacecow | also bad pun is bad |
| 11:03.54 | Jitta | alright, thanks bluspacecow |
| 11:05.11 | bluspacecow | basically there's a record associated with your addon on curse's CDN that is meant to say either [1.13.2] or [classic] but is instead getting [] |
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| 13:45.00 | znf | I was idling in a random place, in Nazjatar, where N'Zoth whispers you, and I hear my character saying "I need to get closer" |
| 13:45.01 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/ScurWtk.png |
| 13:46.03 | AcidWeb | If you starting to punch whispers I would say he is winning. |
| 13:47.17 | Ennea | :D |
| 13:54.15 | Chipzz | znf: http://chipzz.safehex.be/blp.cc is the BLP reader for my emulator, case 2: is the compressed DXT; really no reason to uncompress |
| 13:55.41 | znf | Cool. |
| 14:08.59 | Chipzz | znf: wasn't trying to brag or anything; was trying to point out that BLP is a format that for almost every subtype directly maps to a GPU feature; I think the mipmap width and height are the only values supplied to opengl that are derived instaed of directly mapping to a byte in the BLP somewhere |
| 14:09.27 | znf | I wasn't being aggressive |
| 14:10.20 | znf | I don't know much about GPU and texture support, I just assumed every game that has a custom texture format sends TGAs towards the GPU :) |
| 14:10.46 | Chipzz | ok my bad :) |
| 14:10.47 | Ennea | i think TGA as a format is a bit too high level for the gpu still |
| 14:10.55 | Chipzz | actually no |
| 14:10.59 | Ennea | no? hm |
| 14:11.10 | Chipzz | uncompressed TGA can be uploaded to the GPU pretty directly too |
| 14:11.17 | Chipzz | RLE encoded TGA not so much |
| 14:11.19 | Ennea | that's interesting |
| 14:11.34 | Ennea | i guess that might also explain why back in the day, WoW only had tga as a screenshot format |
| 14:11.40 | Chipzz | TGA really is just a short header followed by uncompressed data |
| 14:11.45 | Ennea | ah, i see |
| 14:11.53 | Chipzz | uncompressed TGA is really easy to write |
| 14:12.12 | Chipzz | I don't know the exact values offhand, but I think the header is 16 or 32 bytes or sth |
| 14:14.07 | Chipzz | I hope this doesn't sound passive-aggressive, but a better observation would have been to say "Ah so THAT's why all my WoW screenshots have the exact same size down to the byte!" ;) |
| 14:15.02 | Chipzz | PNG OTOH would need to be decompressed before uploading to the GPU |
| 14:15.09 | Chipzz | as would JPEG |
| 14:15.21 | Ennea | 16:14 <Chipzz> I hope this doesn't sound passive-aggressive, but a better observation would have been to say "Ah so THAT's why all my WoW screenshots have the exact same size down to the byte!" ;) |
| 14:15.24 | Ennea | ^ well, they don't anymore ;D |
| 14:15.35 | Chipzz | which is probably why support for PNG was only added later |
| 14:16.12 | znf | TGAs are like fancy bitmaps :P |
| 14:16.27 | Ennea | heh |
| 14:16.47 | Ennea | which reminds me, some version of mspaint also had a checkbox for transparency somewhere |
| 14:16.52 | Ennea | but i don't think that ever did anything |
| 14:17.03 | Ennea | as far as i know, mspaint never had support for transparency |
| 14:18.10 | znf | BMP, TIFF and TGA seem so similar to me from that point of view - very simplistic in nature, no trace of compression by default |
| 14:18.33 | znf | wonder why MS felt the need for BMP |
| 14:18.43 | Chipzz | because MS |
| 14:18.44 | znf | also why did the graphics industry chose TGA over TIFF? |
| 14:18.58 | Chipzz | monopolies were very much a thing in those days :P |
| 14:19.16 | Ennea | speaking of image formats |
| 14:19.21 | Ennea | i can't wait for webp to be more common |
| 14:19.26 | Ennea | just waiting for apple to add support now i guess |
| 14:20.20 | znf | that's you waiting for apple to do that https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Waiting-Skeleton.jpg |
| 14:20.56 | znf | I have lost faith that they'll add it. |
| 14:21.36 | Ennea | i did too for a while, but a few versions back firefox added support finally |
| 14:21.46 | Ennea | so i'm hoping that will pressure apple into adding it too, sooner or later |
| 14:22.17 | Ennea | and since my websites are just hobby shit and i don't have to care about compatibility with software that only runs on overpriced hardware, i'm gonna use it already anyway ;D |
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| 14:22.51 | Ennea | supposedly, safari already had some experimental support for webp, too. so it's not too far off i'm guessing |
| 14:23.13 | znf | Safari is literally the new IE these days |
| 14:23.30 | Ennea | yea, for real |
| 14:23.31 | znf | You write some html/js/css, works in all browsers as expected, except Safari |
| 14:24.17 | Ennea | luckily macos users can just use a better browser, too |
| 14:24.23 | Ennea | like back in the day with windows and ie ;) |
| 14:24.37 | znf | We had to redesign the website at work a few months back, and we had to make numerous corrections for Safari |
| 14:25.04 | Ennea | too bad we're developing industry web applications here... not supporting safari, but still supporting ie ~_~ |
| 14:25.43 | Chipzz | Ennea: as a mac user I use both; Safari has a couple of features worth using it for IMO |
| 14:26.04 | Ennea | Chipzz, which ones? |
| 14:26.06 | Chipzz | the most importnat one being the integration with KeyChain |
| 14:26.14 | Ennea | oh, right |
| 14:26.24 | Ennea | that integrates pretty tightly with everything, doesn't it? |
| 14:26.29 | Ennea | i see my colleague use it all the time |
| 14:26.30 | Chipzz | yeah |
| 14:27.16 | Chipzz | if I enter my password on a website and choose to remember it in KeyChain, I'll be able to use it on my other devices too since KeyChain can store passwords in the cloud |
| 14:27.31 | Ennea | that's something i'm incredibly wary of anyway |
| 14:27.41 | Ennea | i use keepass, but manually transfer its database across my devices |
| 14:27.46 | Chipzz | not having to do password resets because you forgot your password is quite valuable :) |
| 14:27.50 | Ennea | just paranoid i guess |
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| 14:28.38 | Chipzz | you're right to be wary; but you're also wrong in assuming someone at apple would ever actually access your passwords in their cloud (if they can to begin with) |
| 14:28.49 | Chipzz | pretty sure that kinda thing gets you fired on the spot |
| 14:29.27 | znf | that's what chrome does, too :P |
| 14:29.31 | znf | with android |
| 14:29.42 | Ennea | i just prefer having full control over that myself, that's all |
| 14:29.58 | Ennea | i could shoot the db into some cloud service without worry, it's encrypted anyway |
| 14:30.01 | Ennea | but i prefer not to |
| 14:30.10 | Chipzz | except android is mobile only and I have an iMac and and a MacBook :) |
| 14:30.13 | znf | it just becomes a chore eventually |
| 14:31.04 | znf | it's nice when you signed up on a website on desktop, on chrome, then when you open up the App on your phone, your phone suggests autocompletion for that app |
| 14:32.36 | znf | speaking of WebP, don't even get me started about video support... |
| 14:32.53 | cirdan | I use 1password (no subscription) and store it in dropbox it's pretty safe |
| 14:33.49 | znf | we did one of those stupid headers with a video loop background |
| 14:34.26 | znf | had to do webm, which covered almost all major browsers these days, then obviously had to do hevc just for iOS |
| 14:35.24 | AcidWeb | 1password if you want get everything ready, bitwarden if you want to selfhost your passowd vault, keepass if you want to handle everything by yourself |
| 14:35.30 | cirdan | ios supports h264 |
| 14:35.41 | znf | yeah, but h264 ended up being larger |
| 14:36.34 | znf | webm and hevc are ~550kb |
| 14:36.43 | znf | for the same perceived quality, h264 had to be around 1.2MB |
| 14:37.11 | cirdan | did you twiddle all the knobs? :) |
| 14:37.46 | znf | I think I spent like half a day on this re-encoding as low as we could |
| 14:38.05 | cirdan | surprising |
| 14:38.05 | Kalroth | h265 is usually 33-50% smaller than h264, for the same perceived quality |
| 14:38.24 | znf | anything under what we ended up using was beggining to show very visible artifacts |
| 14:38.54 | cirdan | iirc it was advertised as 20% but I thought h.264 can be made to be pretty close to h.265 |
| 14:39.49 | Kalroth | early h265 wasn't very efficient (like how early h264 wasn't very efficient) |
| 14:49.49 | Ennea | just embed everything in a nice swf file ;) |
| 14:54.54 | Alram | https://wowdev.wiki/BLP actual BLP docs btw |
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| 18:54.42 | foxlit | znf: we did one of those stupid headers with a video loop background << one of the reasons I like safari is that I can block those video backgrounds as a matter of policy. |
| 18:55.24 | znf | Why? :) |
| 18:55.53 | foxlit | stupid animating headers tend to be a distraction from actual page content. |
| 18:56.43 | foxlit | it's nicer if things don't constantly go "PAY ATTENTION TO ME I AM ANIMATING HERE!" |
| 18:59.11 | Ennea | i feel it's okay for promotional websites, where the entire viewport is a slightly darkened video playing in the background |
| 18:59.15 | Ennea | with some giant text slapped on |
| 18:59.22 | Ennea | and if you scroll down it's some more info or something |
| 18:59.28 | Ennea | but generally i'd agree, yea |
| 18:59.35 | foxlit | if your *content* is a video, show the video player controls. |
| 19:01.40 | Ennea | the video in this case is just background fluff |
| 19:01.56 | foxlit | I don't think I need to see fluff. |
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| 19:03.17 | Ennea | that's cool, but it's gotten kinda popular |
| 19:03.19 | Ennea | and i can see why |
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| 19:11.42 | foxlit | why is that a "but"? |
| 19:17.29 | Ennea | because you're entitled to your opinion, _but_ it doesn't change anything about what's popular or not ^^ |
| 19:17.44 | Ennea | and websites that are essentially just giant ads are a thing nowadays more than they were ever before |
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| 19:47.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev is WoW Classic Addon Cat: https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat160.html || 8.2.0 ToC: 80200 || 1.13 ToC: 11302 || http://pastebin.com || Discord: https://discord.gg/sVQCHr5 || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl |
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| 20:49.53 | Mr_Rabies | who needs wow classic when this exists https://store.steampowered.com/app/1121910/I_Love_You_Colonel_Sanders_A_Finger_Lickin_Good_Dating_Simulator/ |
| 20:50.51 | foxlit | but what's the plot twist? |
| 20:51.06 | foxlit | is the colonel a killer robot? Are they all dead? Is the chicken made of people? |
| 20:51.35 | Mr_Rabies | society is the pressure cooker that makes us into moist fried chicken |
| 20:53.18 | foxlit | "- Officially created by KFC. No, really" |
| 20:54.20 | Mr_Rabies | i hope there's a secret Curse of the Colonel route |
| 20:54.21 | Mr_Rabies | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Colonel |
| 20:55.51 | foxlit | It's odd how Odin has this adorable 20-person queue most hours of the day |
| 20:57.35 | foxlit | feels like someone forgot to turn off the "this is a congested realm, please consider migrating" switch more than an actual queue. |
| 21:00.59 | Mr_Rabies | everbody gangsta until thorkell shows up |
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| 21:17.52 | Mr_Rabies | almost wonder if with all the uipanel mess with 8.2 if it's worth it for someone to basically recreate it from scratch so you don't have every single addon just seperating itself from it |
| 21:17.57 | Mr_Rabies | so everything just horribly overlaps now |
| 21:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | may not be possible but it's really frustrating that addons that have worked like the stock ui for years are now forced to overlap horribly since touching the uipanel stuff breaks everything horribly now |
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| 21:35.15 | Gnarfoz | everything is horrible? |
| 21:40.41 | foxlit | touching the ui panel stuff doesn't really break everything; it's just that this entire mess is somebody else's problem(tm) and the easiest path out is just to say "screw it, you move this frame now" |
| 21:41.11 | Mr_Rabies | which sucks when it's like a world map or quest log replacement |
| 21:44.29 | foxlit | what do those collide with? |
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| 23:00.19 | Kallcifer | Hey Folks im really new to wow addon creation and I'd love some advice |
| 23:00.30 | Kallcifer | i'm trying to create a really simple scan for nearby players with a specific guild name |
| 23:00.54 | Kallcifer | I tried using GetGuildInfo() but when it runs ingame it just causes lua errors |
| 23:01.03 | Kallcifer | Would anyone be down to help? |
| 23:01.56 | Simca | the best way to do what you want is probably using a combination of the /who stuff and scanning friendly nameplates |
| 23:02.49 | Kallcifer | Well its actually for a hostile guild |
| 23:02.58 | Simca | well, enemy nameplates then |
| 23:03.11 | Simca | but yeah you can use GetGuildInfo instead of /who stuff |
| 23:03.27 | Kallcifer | Would you mind if I sent you what I have atm? |
| 23:03.34 | Simca | you have to provide proper unit IDs, but nameplates have their own unitIDs |
| 23:03.47 | Kallcifer | how would I provide proper unitId |
| 23:03.56 | Kallcifer | I was looking at the wowpedia page about it but got kinda confused |
| 23:04.09 | Kallcifer | if IsInGuild() then |
| 23:04.13 | Kallcifer | Is what I have currently |
| 23:04.25 | Simca | https://wow.gamepedia.com/UnitId |
| 23:04.42 | Simca | GetGuildInfo("nameplate4") for example |
| 23:05.23 | Kallcifer | Yeah so I tried just creating a local var called guildname and did a GetGuildInfo("Player") however I think thats for my own character right? |
| 23:05.47 | Simca | right. "player" is anyway, not sure if it's case-sensitive |
| 23:05.59 | Kallcifer | sore its lower case in my actual code |
| 23:06.02 | Kallcifer | that was my just typing |
| 23:06.05 | Kallcifer | me** |
| 23:06.10 | Kallcifer | sorry** aaa |
| 23:06.44 | Kallcifer | so how would just check for any nearby players instead of player |
| 23:06.55 | Kallcifer | Unit Id for target is for just someone that has been clicked |
| 23:07.40 | Kallcifer | See alot of the unitid stuff is specifically for interacting with units where as I want to just scan nearby players |
| 23:07.51 | Kallcifer | and then run an if check on their guild names |
| 23:08.05 | Kallcifer | and if a guild name that is equal to the one I've stated, trigger the alert sound etc |
| 23:09.01 | Simca | I haven't worked with nameplate code much, but I think there's events you can register that trigger when a nameplate changes. when that event triggers, you'd check UnitIsPlayer("nameplate" .. i) (where i is the nameplate index) and then if true, GetGuildInfo("nameplate" .. i) and then proceed from there with what you want to check |
| 23:09.21 | Simca | nameplates are the only reliable way to view nearby units in the world around you (players or otherwise) |
| 23:09.33 | Simca | otherwise all you have is target/party/raid which isn't good enough |
| 23:10.29 | Meorawr | (NAME_PLATE_UNIT_ADDED would be the relevant event in this case) |
| 23:19.34 | Kallcifer | I've kinda gone down a rabbit hole with NAME_PLATE_UNIT_ADDED |
| 23:23.17 | Kallcifer | Oh okay ive found a way to scan nearby name plates |
| 23:31.24 | Kallcifer | function ScanPlayers() |
| 23:31.27 | Kallcifer | Is what I have now |
| 23:34.25 | Kallcifer | hrmm nope still causing lua errors |
