| 00:00.08 | znf | gotta silence the mob, man |
| 00:00.14 | znf | gotta give them a head |
| 00:00.17 | znf | on a pike |
| 00:00.22 | *** join/#wowuidev Semlar (~semlar@072-189-128-149.res.spectrum.com) |
| 00:00.41 | znf | hey Semlar |
| 00:01.03 | Semlar | sup |
| 00:01.42 | znf | how's the classic login queue treating you? |
| 00:01.51 | Semlar | i'm not playing |
| 00:02.09 | nevcairiel | where does the retail client actually safe which realm i last s elected |
| 00:02.11 | nevcairiel | i cant find it |
| 00:02.29 | Semlar | i think it's a cvar |
| 00:02.45 | kd3 | it should be in config.wtf if you actually exit out normally |
| 00:02.47 | nevcairiel | i looked at all cvar locations i know and didnt see anything |
| 00:03.51 | nevcairiel | not in the global config.wtf, not in the account config-cache.wtf |
| 00:04.11 | Semlar | it looks like it's in config.wtf? |
| 00:04.26 | Semlar | SET realmName |
| 00:04.36 | nevcairiel | not in mine it isnt |
| 00:04.46 | Semlar | it's in mine |
| 00:05.14 | znf | last time I checked, it was in mine |
| 00:05.19 | znf | but Gnarfoz had issues with that, didn't he? |
| 00:05.27 | Semlar | maybe you're syncing with the server so it isn't saved locally |
| 00:05.39 | Semlar | although i would think it would still save it locally |
| 00:05.48 | nevcairiel | it saves all sort of other stuff at l east |
| 00:06.12 | znf | was config.wtf ever server-synced? |
| 00:06.18 | znf | I know the chat & macros are |
| 00:06.25 | znf | but I don't recall the actual config |
| 00:06.33 | nevcairiel | only the stuff they moved to config-cache.wtf i think |
| 00:07.39 | nevcairiel | well hopefully classic learns to remember my realm once its not so volatile anymore |
| 00:08.39 | Semlar | maybe it being missing from the config file is related to it not remembering |
| 00:08.59 | nevcairiel | well it works on retail and its not in there either |
| 00:09.33 | Semlar | maybe they changed how it's saved and it being in my config file is a relic from what they used to use |
| 00:09.39 | nevcairiel | possibly |
| 00:09.53 | nevcairiel | all my configs were wiped out in an accident last year |
| 00:10.49 | Semlar | i basically haven't played in a year so it's probably not a good representation of the current state of things |
| 00:14.10 | Gnarfoz | znf: maybe, I don't remember :D |
| 00:14.37 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, it also doesn't remember my realm on classic |
| 00:15.23 | Gnarfoz | maybe it wasn't wise to log out to save stuff |
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| 00:16.27 | Gnarfoz | world server is down, rip |
| 00:16.42 | nevcairiel | grace period for restarting the game is fine |
| 00:16.47 | nevcairiel | but the login issues bit you regardless |
| 00:16.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah, also I didn't relog, it just booted everyone, I think |
| 00:17.33 | Gnarfoz | gf was like "nah I don't need addons" |
| 00:18.12 | Gnarfoz | literally 00:02: "what other quest?" "oh god I need to wait for quest text" etc |
| 00:18.51 | nevcairiel | thats an option |
| 00:19.02 | Gnarfoz | I did inform her of that |
| 00:19.15 | Gnarfoz | still, lots of other little things that one has forgotten ^^ |
| 00:19.19 | nevcairiel | i was in them queues until like 1 am or so |
| 00:19.27 | nevcairiel | but i didnt bother t o pre-queue or anything like that |
| 00:19.28 | Gnarfoz | everlook? |
| 00:19.34 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 00:19.55 | Gnarfoz | I think I sat at char select since 23:20 while setting up my new mouse? not particularly long |
| 00:20.02 | Gnarfoz | gf got in at 23:40 without queue as well |
| 00:20.04 | Gnarfoz | (Venoxis) |
| 00:20.13 | Gnarfoz | so moving there from Lucifron was a good call ^^ |
| 00:20.34 | nevcairiel | i dont really plan to play much |
| 00:20.50 | Gnarfoz | I'm not sure what I'm gonna do, "just browsing" right now, basically :p |
| 00:21.37 | Gnarfoz | 5 more realms for US just tonight? hah |
| 00:21.53 | Gnarfoz | wonder what the situation room is like right now |
| 00:21.55 | znf | I think that's a big mistake to keep adding more servers |
| 00:22.22 | znf | that's gonna fragment the population too much, and in a few months when most people realize that they can't be arsed to play, those servers will be a wasteland |
| 00:22.40 | Gnarfoz | maybe they'll figure out how to make public-facing server merges |
| 00:23.03 | znf | oh you mean x-realm? *classic players triggered* |
| 00:23.15 | Gnarfoz | not just the "we're too lazy to solve the namespace issue" ones we currently have ("linked realms", which are really just merges) |
| 00:23.33 | Gnarfoz | crz is someting else |
| 00:23.40 | nevcairiel | they have also done actual merges in the past, but the name issue was generally so bad that they went to linking instead |
| 00:23.44 | Gnarfoz | https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-login-issues-01-30-am-cest/75452 volvo pls fix? |
| 00:23.59 | Gnarfoz | have they? I've never seen evidence of that :O |
| 00:24.42 | kd3 | I don't recall namespace merges ever happening, just connected realms. https://wow.gamepedia.com/Connected_Realms |
| 00:24.42 | znf | just to make sure - if you have a banked Paragon quest, you will be able to get 2 in the row if you cap again, right? |
| 00:25.06 | Gnarfoz | I only know they closed some EU realms when russia got their own servers, and that they changed the realm where FH (apparently a guild with a high Blizzard employee ratio) was playing from PVE to PVP (black dragonflight?) |
| 00:25.06 | znf | in a row* |
| 00:25.36 | Gnarfoz | kd3: yeah, that's the one I meant. actual mergers except for the names since they couldn't figure out how to satisfy everyone in that regard. :D |
| 00:28.10 | znf | nah, screw "connected realm" |
| 00:28.16 | znf | that's not authentic vanilla experience |
| 00:28.24 | znf | you gotta suffer trough dead servers! |
| 00:30.12 | znf | "Wait our the login queue in the MMO-Champion Discord! |
| 00:30.12 | znf | " |
| 00:30.14 | Gnarfoz | well, neither is "layering" |
| 00:30.15 | znf | someone had a stroke |
| 00:30.46 | Gnarfoz | but at least that seemed like a logical solution |
| 00:31.34 | nevcairiel | layering is the standard solution in so many MMOs, although many let you actually pick it yourself |
| 00:32.08 | Gnarfoz | not with the intent of getting rid of it later on, though? |
| 00:32.22 | znf | they should have let people wait up for the 1000th time for /that/ quest mob to respawn |
| 00:32.36 | nevcairiel | no but they usually dynamically scale the number of layers in each zone |
| 00:32.47 | Gnarfoz | well, that's what sharding is/was |
| 00:32.52 | znf | I hope the classic experience also includes no shared tags, yes? |
| 00:33.01 | nevcairiel | of course not |
| 00:33.01 | Gnarfoz | it is as it was in 1.12 |
| 00:33.17 | znf | Good. |
| 00:33.35 | Gnarfoz | (making it be as it was in 1.2 would have been fun indeed. xD) |
| 00:33.36 | kd3 | shared tags didn't *start* until 5.0? |
| 00:33.47 | znf | Yes |
| 00:33.54 | znf | Gnarfoz, 1.2? |
| 00:34.00 | Gnarfoz | EU release version |
| 00:34.14 | znf | what was different? |
| 00:34.23 | nevcairiel | I remember that WoD had shared tagging for everything then, before that it was only key quest mobs, right? |
| 00:34.27 | Gnarfoz | to 1.12? many things |
| 00:34.34 | znf | in regards to mob taging |
| 00:34.44 | Gnarfoz | nothing |
| 00:34.50 | znf | ah |
| 00:35.07 | kd3 | yeah, shared-tap-by-default was a legion thing |
| 00:35.26 | nevcairiel | legion even? I thought it was in wod |
| 00:35.28 | kd3 | world bosses were tap-to-faction starting in 5.1 |
| 00:35.40 | Gnarfoz | just in general, picking 1.12 already should have made this be much more palatable than picking 1.1 (US release) or 1.2.1 (EU release) |
| 00:35.41 | znf | it was horrible before |
| 00:35.53 | znf | imagine WQs without shared tags... |
| 00:36.08 | kd3 | there were a few mobs that were no-tap, like rares on timeless isle, the kor'kron commanders in the northern barrens, etc |
| 00:36.11 | Gnarfoz | makes sense from their POV, of course, less crap to adjust/fix |
| 00:36.12 | nevcairiel | dunno, most of the time i'm pretty alone in my WQ area =p |
| 00:36.32 | znf | that's because you're RP & Warmode Off :P |
| 00:36.52 | nevcairiel | sometimes I wonder if full-on sharding is really as terrible as everyone complains it is |
| 00:36.55 | znf | you actually see other people around otherwise |
| 00:37.01 | nevcairiel | but on RP realms we get treated nice |
| 00:37.19 | znf | the only aspect I didn't like about sharding was in legion |
| 00:37.24 | znf | Dalaran felt so fucking empty |
| 00:37.48 | nevcairiel | i do see people around in WQ areas, its just that thre isnt that many that I couldn't have mobs for myself |
| 00:38.01 | znf | I love the shared aspect |
| 00:38.10 | znf | if I see someone picking up 10 mobs, I throw a dot on them |
| 00:38.16 | znf | or mind sear quickly to tap them |
| 00:38.33 | znf | it's even more fun when you see another person grabbing many mobs, and you do the same and you meet in the middle |
| 00:38.35 | nevcairiel | you like it because you mooch |
| 00:38.48 | znf | they mooch, too |
| 00:39.20 | znf | And I probably have way more DPS than them, anyway :P |
| 00:40.09 | znf | when you see a quest mob with 5mil HP, and I look at my damage meter saying 4mil done... |
| 00:40.13 | znf | who's the moocher? :P |
| 00:41.30 | nevcairiel | big elites are different anyway, but so often when i collect up a group of mobs some idiot comes along and taps them, driving up their HP, and then runs off finding some others to tap or kill leaving me with more hp to kill |
| 00:42.33 | znf | elite quest mobs get increased HP after the 5th person afaik |
| 00:43.19 | Gnarfoz | re: tagging: https://twitter.com/00Spyder/status/1166120714501525506 |
| 00:43.38 | Gnarfoz | uh, fun! I got back in. :P |
| 00:43.48 | Gnarfoz | let's talk to that damn Marshal |
| 00:43.55 | znf | "this is why vanilla was so good" |
| 00:44.03 | znf | yeah, totally good to wait 30 minutes |
| 00:45.16 | Gnarfoz | didn't vanilla nameplates show combo points? hmm |
| 00:45.17 | nevcairiel | must be UKians, they love queuing |
| 00:45.40 | Gnarfoz | second screen is asian of some sort |
| 00:45.51 | znf | speaking of nationalities, I just saw that video today of the german guy who wasn't allowed to smoke in his backyard from 12 to 6 or something like that |
| 00:45.54 | znf | it was hilarious |
| 00:46.12 | Gnarfoz | probably actually his landlord's backyard |
| 00:46.18 | Gnarfoz | (even so, lol smoking) |
| 00:46.19 | znf | no, he owned his property |
| 00:46.32 | Gnarfoz | in that case, probably fake news :P |
| 00:46.45 | znf | it was even more hilarious when he said that only HIM AND HIS WIFE weren't allowed to smoke during those hours, but guests could |
| 00:46.56 | znf | it's pretty old https://youtu.be/8pkgAC15gqY |
| 00:46.59 | znf | ~2 years |
| 00:47.08 | znf | I tought DW was reputable? |
| 00:47.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: do I read #bigwigs right, combo point not working with current SUF version on classic? |
| 00:47.36 | nevcairiel | no clue, i didnt test them |
| 00:47.39 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 00:47.42 | nevcairiel | but possibly broken |
| 00:49.50 | Gnarfoz | yeah doesn't work on player frame or target frame |
| 00:50.02 | nevcairiel | the erratic and limited beta scheduled in the weeks up to release of classic didn't leave much time for any addon fixings |
| 00:50.07 | nevcairiel | no clue wtf they were smoking with that |
| 00:50.15 | Gnarfoz | everything at once |
| 00:51.49 | nevcairiel | also i totally just didnt remember that combo points would move back to a per-target basis |
| 00:52.33 | nevcairiel | that was such a big QoL change for combo points that one immediately forgot the old way |
| 00:53.54 | znf | didn't one class even had a talent/ability to swap combo points from their previous target? |
| 00:53.55 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 00:54.00 | Gnarfoz | rogues, at one point |
| 00:54.40 | Gnarfoz | weird, where were combo points being tracked in the default UI back then? only on the ui frames? not on nameplates? |
| 00:54.48 | Gnarfoz | guess I need some advanced nameplates :D |
| 00:55.13 | nevcairiel | nameplates were mostly useless back then |
| 00:55.18 | znf | reports Gnarfoz for breaking the spirit of classic |
| 00:55.27 | Gnarfoz | the spirit of classic allowed AutoTravel |
| 00:55.32 | Gnarfoz | so I question your motives. :P |
| 00:55.38 | nevcairiel | the nameplate range is also ridicolously small |
| 00:55.48 | Gnarfoz | using AIO to increase it does nothing, either :D |
| 00:56.25 | znf | did they keep tokens for nameplates? |
| 00:56.34 | znf | nameplate1-40 ? |
| 00:56.57 | EsreverWoW | Yes, they are still in. |
| 00:57.14 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't /target nameplate1 work, then? |
| 00:57.25 | Gnarfoz | guess none of those on my screen are 1, heh |
| 00:57.36 | znf | toggle them off/on? |
| 00:57.45 | znf | doesn't that destroy them and renumbers them? |
| 00:57.54 | Gnarfoz | no idea |
| 00:57.57 | nevcairiel | kesava seems to be working on some fixings for Kui |
| 01:00.09 | EsreverWoW | The powerType enum for Combo Points is 14 in Classic instead of 4. |
| 01:00.14 | EsreverWoW | Maybe the issue? |
| 01:00.39 | nevcairiel | not exactly, you also have to use GetComboPoints again since you h ave to supply a second unit |
| 01:01.18 | EsreverWoW | UnitPower("player", 14) and UnitPowerMax("player", 14) could be used though? |
| 01:01.30 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 01:01.32 | Gnarfoz | they're not on the player, though |
| 01:01.37 | Gnarfoz | they're on the target |
| 01:01.40 | nevcairiel | combo points are tracker per-target in classic |
| 01:01.47 | nevcairiel | so there is no power as such |
| 01:01.56 | nevcairiel | Max should work actually |
| 01:02.03 | nevcairiel | but UnitPower would not |
| 01:02.14 | nevcairiel | GetComboPoints("player", "target") should work |
| 01:03.17 | Funkeh` | UnitPower("player", 14) works |
| 01:03.52 | znf | and what does it return? |
| 01:03.53 | nevcairiel | "works" for certain definitions of works, what unit does it give you the power on? :p |
| 01:04.04 | znf | if the points are on the target? O.o |
| 01:04.07 | Funkeh` | you, which is what its meant to work on |
| 01:04.19 | Gnarfoz | well, you can only have CP on one target at at ime |
| 01:04.20 | Funkeh` | the point were not on the target in classic |
| 01:04.24 | Gnarfoz | so... |
| 01:04.33 | Gnarfoz | clearly they were, from a user perspective |
| 01:04.47 | Funkeh` | the point are on the target now |
| 01:06.22 | Gnarfoz | uh, no. they points are on the player on retail |
| 01:06.40 | znf | combo points (feral and rogues) are a player resource on Retail |
| 01:06.53 | Funkeh` | they are per target, so no? |
| 01:06.58 | znf | no, they aren't |
| 01:07.01 | Gnarfoz | they are not |
| 01:07.16 | Gnarfoz | since WoD |
| 01:07.36 | Gnarfoz | real talk: what's the nearest vendor to human starting point? :D |
| 01:07.49 | znf | you got some junk to sell? :D |
| 01:07.58 | Gnarfoz | SOME? :P |
| 01:08.00 | znf | use the vendor mount! |
| 01:08.00 | nevcairiel | thats what basically changed between classic and now, in classic and up to MoP you had the combo points on the target, even though you could only have any on one target at a time, so it never really made much sense to begin with |
| 01:08.01 | znf | oh wait |
| 01:08.22 | nevcairiel | except you lost them when you switched target |
| 01:08.29 | Gnarfoz | I think MoP had the "move combo points" thing at some point |
| 01:08.55 | Gnarfoz | I'm blind btw, vendor NPCs are right next to first quest NPC |
| 01:09.01 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 01:09.03 | nevcairiel | usually are |
| 01:10.20 | nevcairiel | oh man they really rebuild the quest tracker for classic instead of just using the objective tracker framework they already had? now i need to do actual work for quester, gah |
| 01:10.59 | Gnarfoz | currently using MonkeyQuest, like 14 years ago :x |
| 01:13.47 | Gnarfoz | UnitPower("player", 14) <-- does not seem to work, at least if just changing that one line in SUF's combopoints.lua :D |
| 01:13.55 | MiRai | Semlar: Is there a way to adjust the crosshairs to be behind the nameplate, rather than in front? https://i.imgur.com/7s2yqTA.png |
| 01:14.12 | MiRai | Or would that fall onto the nameplate add-on? |
| 01:15.32 | Semlar | it's already set to be in the background frame strata with a frame level of 0 |
| 01:15.40 | Semlar | i don't know how you would even draw something lower |
| 01:16.05 | MiRai | Well, that's what I mean by it being something that would need to be adjusted in the nameplate add-on instead. |
| 01:16.19 | MiRai | KuiNameplates, in this case. |
| 01:16.21 | Semlar | i mean i don't know how their nameplate addon is drawing under my frame in the first place |
| 01:16.22 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: the powertype is in the h eader somewhere, its 4 now, change that to 14? |
| 01:16.37 | nevcairiel | in combopoints.lua |
| 01:16.58 | Gnarfoz | yeah that works |
| 01:17.09 | Semlar | can you /fstack over the crosshairs and screenshot the tooltip |
| 01:17.10 | Gnarfoz | neat, thanks |
| 01:17.30 | MiRai | Semlar: sure, let me log in and get the data |
| 01:17.44 | Semlar | thanks |
| 01:19.22 | MiRai | Semlar: https://i.imgur.com/hU0JQ1P.png |
| 01:20.04 | Semlar | well it doesn't appear to exist |
| 01:20.04 | MiRai | If there's a quick and dirty fix, I'm fine with just pasting a few lines of code into your crosshairs add-on. |
| 01:20.09 | MiRai | heh |
| 01:20.23 | Semlar | is fstack hiding frames without names or something |
| 01:20.48 | znf | Semlar, they changed fstack, now it's less useful |
| 01:20.53 | Semlar | how do you fix it |
| 01:21.08 | znf | I've no idea |
| 01:21.19 | znf | I'm just not bothered by MiRai's issue :P |
| 01:21.31 | Gnarfoz | there's a cvar I think |
| 01:21.45 | Semlar | MiRai: try changing f:SetFrameStrata('BACKGROUND') to f:SetFrameStrata('WORLD') |
| 01:22.44 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure you can't do that |
| 01:23.35 | MiRai | It didn't seem to break anything, but CH is still on top - Were you looking for a new fstack result? |
| 01:24.00 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: rip suf xp bar https://pastie.dev/40nvTH.lua :D |
| 01:24.01 | Semlar | well i can see from the screenshot that kui is drawing on the background strata with a frame level of 0 |
| 01:24.13 | znf | I'm pretty sure they are both @ 0 |
| 01:24.16 | Semlar | it's just apparently somehow lower than crosshairs |
| 01:24.18 | znf | and they are competing for that spot :P |
| 01:24.19 | MiRai | In this one, I'm hovering over the crosshair line on the right-hand side - https://i.imgur.com/s0aMM8s.png |
| 01:24.49 | Semlar | uh |
| 01:25.20 | Semlar | try changing CreateFrame('frame', nil, WorldFrame) to CreateFrame('frame', 'Crosshairs', WorldFrame) |
| 01:25.43 | MiRai | Should I keep the first change in there too? |
| 01:25.48 | Semlar | nah you can change it back |
| 01:26.08 | Semlar | i think WORLD is a reserved framestrata |
| 01:26.42 | Semlar | i just want to see where it's showing up in fstack |
| 01:27.10 | MiRai | It's in the list now - https://i.imgur.com/Dco7gCA.png |
| 01:27.19 | MiRai | but it's still on top, oddly enough |
| 01:27.29 | znf | told you they're both on 0 :P |
| 01:27.38 | Semlar | yeah but my 0 is lower than their 0 |
| 01:27.57 | Semlar | i think the textures must be drawing on a higher layer |
| 01:28.59 | Semlar | alright, try /fstack f t |
| 01:29.30 | Semlar | supposedly that should make it show regions |
| 01:31.33 | MiRai | The red dot is where my cursor is at - https://i.imgur.com/gIymaWq.png |
| 01:35.16 | znf | Maybe I'll need it, Azerite Edition https://i.imgur.com/vVqW7al.png >_< |
| 01:37.26 | Semlar | short of drawing the textures directly on worldframe itself i don't think it's possible to draw it any lower than it is |
| 01:38.26 | Semlar | it shouldn't be possible for kui to be drawing under it, since crosshairs is being created before it |
| 01:38.42 | Semlar | maybe there's a bug with reanchoring or showing the frame that's raising it |
| 01:41.19 | Semlar | well i guess we'll do it the ridiculous way |
| 01:41.28 | znf | I still can't get fstack to work with crosshairs or knp :P |
| 01:41.55 | MiRai | I'm quite all right with ridiculous |
| 01:42.09 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/vnn9u6Z.png |
| 01:42.09 | Semlar | i'm just going to reparent everything to WorldFrame and hook my frame's onshow/hide to control their visibility |
| 01:43.37 | Semlar | thus solving the problem once and for all |
| 01:43.55 | znf | wait until you get tickets because people like it this way! |
| 01:44.14 | Semlar | someone would have to use my addons to make tickets about it |
| 01:45.36 | MiRai | I'm actually the person who originally asked for the Crosshairs separate from your full nameplate add-on (with the directional arrows), before you made it standalone, so there's at least one person who uses this addon ;) |
| 01:45.40 | Semlar | this looks so much worse when i can't reposition the crosshairs to be on a pixel boundary |
| 01:46.08 | Semlar | i wonder if there's a way to handle that now that they've made detecting your anchors impossible |
| 01:46.30 | znf | I'll make the ticket! |
| 01:47.06 | Semlar | https://hastebin.com/uyehuwubiz.sql |
| 01:47.20 | Semlar | that might theoretically work |
| 01:47.33 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: did you strip the player cast bar out of SUF at some point? or just for classic? :o |
| 01:47.48 | MiRai | It works |
| 01:47.55 | Semlar | hooray |
| 01:48.05 | MiRai | Thanks, man |
| 01:48.13 | Semlar | i'd like to see them try and draw under that |
| 01:48.27 | MiRai | Could I PM you about one additional question I had? Not related to Crosshairs. |
| 01:48.47 | Semlar | sure |
| 01:54.35 | znf | he doesn't give autographs! |
| 01:55.46 | Gnarfoz | you would know, wouldn't you |
| 01:58.41 | znf | it's been so long since I cleaned my alt gbank https://i.imgur.com/0mm4k45.png |
| 01:58.44 | znf | "charred recipe" |
| 02:19.56 | Semlar | Kesava: please tell me you found a way to align nameplates on a pixel boundary with the new restrictions |
| 02:20.29 | Kesava | Semlar: .. i don't know of any new restrictions |
| 02:21.01 | Semlar | the fact that you can't get the position of your frame relative to the screen |
| 02:21.58 | Kesava | oh right |
| 02:22.08 | Semlar | so you can't calculate pixel offsets |
| 02:22.24 | Kesava | yeah i don't do that anymore, i just set the frame scale to.. um |
| 02:22.31 | Kesava | the screen size.. divided.. etc |
| 02:22.53 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.02 | Kesava | and that pretty much works now |
| 02:23.06 | Kesava | (it didn't used to) |
| 02:23.59 | Kesava | (where my nameplate frames are parented to the blizzard ones, and SetScale'd to self.uiscale) |
| 02:24.00 | Semlar | i thought it would still attempt to resize the lines as they move across the screen because they can end up on fractions of pixels |
| 02:24.36 | Kesava | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.38 | Kesava | it works now |
| 02:24.45 | Kesava | i'm preeeetty sure they fixed that |
| 02:25.02 | Semlar | i'll try scaling the width of the lines, thanks |
| 02:25.42 | Semlar | it's driving me nuts because crosshairs is using 1px lines and they're flashing like crazy as they move around |
| 02:26.28 | Funkeh` | the first message i see in trade when i walk into the city for the first time |
| 02:26.33 | Funkeh` | "anal xyz" |
| 02:26.40 | Funkeh` | yeah please break chat parsing |
| 02:31.57 | Semlar | Kesava: it works, no more spastic lines |
| 02:32.04 | Kesava | yay :D |
| 02:32.32 | Semlar | i am almost positive that didn't used to work like that |
| 02:34.00 | Funkeh` | omg your spell ranks are auto upgraded on your bars? |
| 02:34.03 | Funkeh` | break it now |
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| 02:37.58 | Kesava_ | a well timed random dc |
| 02:43.47 | MooreaTv | I move 1 pixel lines without flashing, you need to have the right start I think (you can check pixel perfect align to see it) |
| 02:44.44 | MooreaTv | or if that's the fix the right pp parent frame |
| 02:48.06 | Ketho | they learned from hearthstone |
| 02:48.15 | Ketho | all communication well be done by emotest |
| 02:51.29 | Semlar | alright, who knows my password to this wowace repo |
| 02:52.02 | nebula | https://wow.curseforge.com/account/api-tokens |
| 02:52.32 | Semlar | no wonder i couldn't remember it |
| 02:54.08 | Semlar | i'm a big fan of the link to the api documentation https://authors.curseforge.com/docs/api giving an "access denied" error |
| 02:56.41 | Semlar | we did it team, we pushed an update |
| 02:59.59 | Semlar | i think this means i'm up to 2 addons with the current toc version set |
| 03:00.16 | Semlar | although i forgot classic which i'm pretty sure this works for |
| 04:07.49 | Ssateneth | Uhhhhhhh lmao |
| 04:08.16 | Ssateneth | I created a macro and did SetMacroSpell("macro","Attack") and the icon for the macro turned into a Kappa |
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| 04:09.26 | Ssateneth | https://i.imgur.com/L3M0VUU.png |
| 04:09.55 | Ssateneth | i'm a level 1 warrior in case it matters |
| 04:12.04 | Kesava | dats no kappa |
| 04:12.31 | Kesava | i can't remember who it is but his face was on a few things way back when |
| 04:12.45 | Kesava | "things" -> abilities which you're not supposed to be able to see |
| 04:15.00 | Kesava | https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=1/word-of-recall-old |
| 04:15.07 | Kesava | for instance |
| 04:16.15 | Kesava | oh this is the good one: https://classic.wowhead.com/spell=5/death-touch |
| 04:19.05 | Ketho | it's Samwise Didier |
| 04:19.15 | Ketho | I will always remember his face from warcraft 3 icons |
| 04:19.32 | Kesava | ah yes |
| 04:46.08 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> [[Interface\ICONS\Temp]] |
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| 05:24.54 | Mr_Rabies | https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/status/1166196662387269634 |
| 05:24.57 | Mr_Rabies | now this is nostalgic |
| 05:25.11 | Mr_Rabies | i remember being stuck on the boat for like an hour once |
| 05:25.15 | Mr_Rabies | just loading screen after loading screen |
| 05:25.40 | Mr_Rabies | until it finally teleported to above dalaran crater, dumped everyone on it off, and then the world server crashed |
| 05:25.58 | Mr_Rabies | well, dalaran dome |
| 05:26.02 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't really a crater yet :v |
| 05:41.22 | Ennea | huh.. got an error in classic just now when wanting to use /target that one of my addons was trying to do something reserved to blizzard ui |
| 05:41.32 | Ennea | the only thing said addon does is add a slash command alias for /reload.. |
| 05:44.04 | EsreverWoW | What is the function name stored in the SlashCmdList table? |
| 05:44.20 | EsreverWoW | Blizz default for reload is SlashCmdList["RELOAD"]. |
| 05:44.36 | Ennea | woopsie |
| 05:44.40 | Ennea | i guess i overwrote that :) |
| 05:44.43 | Ennea | thanks |
| 05:44.48 | EsreverWoW | np |
| 05:47.50 | Ennea | is SlashCmdList even a normal table? i can't seem to figure out all its contents ingame |
| 05:47.54 | Ennea | always looks empty |
| 06:06.46 | nebula | it's parsed and entries are moved to hash_SlashCmdList |
| 06:09.52 | Ennea | ah, that's good to know |
| 06:09.53 | Ennea | thank you |
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| 11:30.21 | Ssateneth | whats the difference between sharding and layering |
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| 11:36.50 | nevcairiel | one of those is a new word so its easier to fool people into thinking its actually good |
| 11:39.20 | Ssateneth | so its the same thing? |
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| 11:41.38 | Ennea | afaik, sharding is mixing players from different realms in a single instance |
| 11:41.55 | Ennea | layering is splitting the instance on a single realm into multiple layers to distribute the "load" |
| 11:41.58 | nevcairiel | no sharding and crz are not strictly related |
| 11:42.21 | nevcairiel | sharding and layering serve the same purpose, they split the realm into multiple parts to lessen the load |
| 11:42.36 | nevcairiel | sharding is just a bit more dynamic, while layering is more permanent |
| 11:44.08 | bluspacecow | does a sexymap exist for classic ? |
| 11:44.37 | bluspacecow | nvm |
| 12:03.39 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: I figured, thanks for keeping this stuff alive even for this niche thing. ;-) |
| 12:03.53 | Gnarfoz | anyone know if https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/speedyautoloot actually makes anything faster? |
| 12:04.18 | Ennea | haven't heard of that one, but this definitely does: https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info25066-FasterLooting.html |
| 12:05.05 | nevcairiel | so apparently just calling the loot function a bunch of items is faster then built-in auto loot? |
| 12:05.20 | Gnarfoz | I think that's always what these addons did, just wondering if it's actually faster |
| 12:06.41 | Gnarfoz | the one I linked seems to do some more sanity checking at least, while the other one has a hardcoded delay |
| 12:07.27 | nevcairiel | i've never really had issues with that, but then I intentionally dont play on laggy servers |
| 12:07.46 | Ennea | can't see any delays in the one you linked |
| 12:08.05 | Ennea | also, why are people creating local references to global functions again? does that still do anything? |
| 12:08.15 | nevcairiel | it never did anything |
| 12:08.25 | Ennea | sweet |
| 12:08.31 | Ennea | glad i'm not insane |
| 12:08.42 | Ennea | i always wondered why the hell people did that |
| 12:09.12 | Gnarfoz | yeah I said FasterLooting has a delay, SpeedyAutoLoot doesn't -- not sure if that makes a difference either way :P |
| 12:09.29 | nevcairiel | the delay seems to only exist to avoid spamming the loot function |
| 12:09.35 | nevcairiel | its a rate limit, not a delay |
| 12:10.08 | Gnarfoz | Ennea: something something accessing global tables is slower than accessing local references -- I'm not sure if this is a case where that doesn't apply or if that was never important or what |
| 12:10.46 | nevcairiel | I doubt anyone can prove a measurable difference, but yes its theoretically faster |
| 12:11.13 | Ennea | btw, does WoW use a JIT for its lua? |
| 12:11.26 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 12:11.27 | Gnarfoz | don't think so |
| 12:11.31 | Gnarfoz | eh |
| 12:11.33 | Ennea | :D |
| 12:11.36 | Ennea | good timing, you two |
| 12:11.41 | Gnarfoz | JIT, you could say |
| 12:14.49 | Gnarfoz | so NA has 30 classic realms now, wow indeed |
| 12:15.18 | nevcairiel | they probably thought they had no choice, even if many might be a deserted wasteland in a while |
| 12:16.07 | Ennea | 30? damn |
| 12:16.21 | nevcairiel | we'll see what happens with EU once primetime comes around |
| 12:16.26 | Gnarfoz | EU has 21 so far |
| 12:16.31 | Ennea | what do you consider prime time? |
| 12:16.35 | nevcairiel | right now its suprisingly empty on everlook |
| 12:16.41 | Gnarfoz | 20:00 local |
| 12:16.51 | Ennea | could be due to layering still. but yea, it's also 2 on a weekday |
| 12:17.06 | nevcairiel | well right now people are still working, and many would also skip a midnight thing i imagine |
| 12:17.32 | Gnarfoz | I mean, it was crowded at midnight, but only for a little while |
| 12:17.32 | Ennea | i wish i was at home already.. |
| 12:17.43 | Ennea | it was laggy the entire first hour i was playing :D |
| 12:17.47 | Ennea | but it was wonderful |
| 12:17.51 | nevcairiel | i have this entire quest npc camp for myself right now |
| 12:18.00 | nevcairiel | last night i could be happy to have a single npc for myself |
| 12:18.05 | Ennea | same |
| 12:18.07 | Ennea | i loved it |
| 12:18.12 | Gnarfoz | I found it perfectly playable, if not for fighting over some mob spawns :D |
| 12:18.21 | nevcairiel | love running around not being able to pr ogress at all because its crowded? |
| 12:18.24 | nevcairiel | you must be weird |
| 12:18.25 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 12:18.31 | Gnarfoz | until "world server down" drove me back to IRC for a while ;-) |
| 12:18.57 | nevcairiel | it was playable fine, just nothing to play due to dead mobs everywhere :p |
| 12:19.03 | Gnarfoz | what other addon do I want before going back in, hmm |
| 12:19.22 | nevcairiel | restarting to install addon has reliably bypassed queues for me |
| 12:21.44 | Ennea | nevcairiel, i just liked the feeling. obviously not for long, but experiencing the swarm of players again |
| 12:22.05 | Ennea | i clicked that button immediately after it turned red |
| 12:22.28 | Ennea | and then there they were, a couple hundred players |
| 12:22.28 | Ennea | everybody's level one |
| 12:23.06 | Ennea | Gnarfoz, you didn't have 1+ second delays on everything? :D |
| 12:23.14 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 12:23.17 | Ennea | lucky |
| 12:23.57 | Ennea | on hydraxian waterlords, there was a delay of a second to 1.5s or so on everything. latency was fine, but the server software seemed overburdened |
| 12:24.13 | Ennea | ~40ms latency. large delay on player position updates, swings, spell casts |
| 12:24.39 | nevcairiel | i didnt have that either |
| 12:25.01 | Ennea | oh well~ |
| 12:30.04 | Gnarfoz | EU servers are just plain ~better~ |
| 12:30.05 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 12:30.17 | Gnarfoz | https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/immersion looks neat, I should get that for live as well |
| 12:30.25 | AcidWeb | Well we all know that US ones are beta ones ;> |
| 12:32.24 | Gnarfoz | kd3: I guess you're even more e-famous-er https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/kaydee ;p |
| 12:35.04 | Gnarfoz | do the Twitch client .ccip files work for anyone? |
| 12:51.47 | Ennea | Gnarfoz, i'm EU ;) |
| 13:04.13 | Gnarfoz | Ennea: well... *looks up excuse calendar* |
| 13:12.48 | Ennea | :D |
| 13:16.02 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> calendar? I have Blizzard Calendar half-ass working from Retail |
| 13:16.38 | Ennea | just get groupcalendar |
| 13:16.40 | Ennea | duh |
| 13:16.53 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> O.o |
| 13:17.11 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> you know.. I forgot about that one |
| 13:17.14 | Ennea | :) |
| 13:18.09 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> and the sad part is.. I used to use it long time ago like in tbc and wotlk |
| 13:37.36 | Gnarfoz | guess I should have logged in when I came in from walking the dogs, not when I was finished with everything else around the house |
| 13:38.17 | nevcairiel | queues long now? |
| 13:38.56 | Gnarfoz | 12000 :D |
| 13:39.02 | nevcairiel | woo |
| 13:39.05 | Ennea | daaaamn |
| 13:39.28 | Gnarfoz | something between 328min and 22min, that estimation algorithm is confused as hell |
| 13:41.56 | nevcairiel | guess no logging o ut while i take a break |
| 13:42.11 | Ennea | :D |
| 13:42.21 | Gnarfoz | what's more annoying is that you can't even play retail while sitting in the queue |
| 13:42.27 | Gnarfoz | good job on that as well, Blizzard :> |
| 13:42.38 | Ennea | there's not really an elegant way to solve that |
| 13:42.47 | nevcairiel | one license, one game you play! :D |
| 13:42.49 | Gnarfoz | sure there is, simply allow login on both at the same time) |
| 13:42.51 | Ennea | without also allowing you to be logged into both at the same time, which is obviously not wanted |
| 13:43.05 | Gnarfoz | why though |
| 13:43.11 | Ennea | what nev said |
| 13:43.17 | Gnarfoz | (probably the same geniuses who thought it a great idea to make the mobile app a full game client instead of something API based) |
| 13:43.20 | Ennea | that way, account sharing would be easy |
| 13:43.31 | Ennea | assuming you have one party that wants to play retail and another that wants to play classic |
| 13:43.39 | Ennea | there's a mobile app? |
| 13:43.44 | Ennea | what do you mean full game client? ._. |
| 13:44.02 | Gnarfoz | it speaks the regular wow protocol and it also does not work while you're in game with a regular client |
| 13:44.17 | Ennea | what the actual fuck... |
| 13:44.21 | Ennea | what does it do? |
| 13:44.24 | Gnarfoz | and its login is slow as molasses thanks to that as well |
| 13:44.49 | Gnarfoz | mission table stuff, shows world quests, emissaries, calendar (a year after BfA came out, lol) |
| 13:44.55 | Ennea | great |
| 13:44.58 | Ennea | sounds kinda useless |
| 13:45.10 | Gnarfoz | they merged the old wow companion app into the Legion companion app shortly before BfA |
| 13:46.25 | nevcairiel | its somewhat useful for looking at the calendar or signing up/off in there |
| 13:46.37 | nevcairiel | and the follower mission stuff if one is so inclined |
| 13:47.01 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I use the calendar and mission thing, and to check if there's an emissary quest worth logging in for, or if it's just gold/useless item |
| 13:53.42 | nevcairiel | did a new german realm just show up in the last |
| 13:53.44 | nevcairiel | list* |
| 13:54.02 | Ennea | i dunno, did it? |
| 13:54.14 | Ennea | yea |
| 13:54.17 | Ennea | new pvp realm, patchwerk |
| 13:54.20 | Ennea | https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/de/wow/t/neuer-realm-fuer-wow-classic-aktiviert/47263 |
| 13:54.37 | Ennea | don't bother reading anything besides the OP, as usual |
| 13:54.56 | Ennea | geez, reading posts in any blizz forum is like the reverse of anger management therapy |
| 14:00.16 | Gnarfoz | "management" doesn't really imply a goal, does it :D |
| 14:00.46 | Ennea | ... right |
| 14:00.51 | Ennea | in any case, blizz forums make me angry |
| 14:00.58 | Gnarfoz | well, they're full of people |
| 14:01.00 | Ennea | the majority of the users is idiots |
| 14:01.03 | Gnarfoz | and people, by and large, are terrible |
| 14:01.11 | Ennea | i agree |
| 14:12.05 | Gnarfoz | the estimate suddenly jumping from 300+ minutes to 75 minutes is eveil |
| 14:12.10 | Gnarfoz | -e |
| 14:16.19 | Gnarfoz | ah, it's back to 297 min now, all is well |
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| 14:33.57 | nevcairiel | now i magine it actually taking 5 hours |
| 14:54.03 | Gnarfoz | it probably does |
| 14:54.11 | Gnarfoz | I made a new char on the new DE PVP realm :p |
| 14:54.36 | Gnarfoz | btw, for some reason using Masque breaks the auto-hide function of the bag bar for bartender for me oO |
| 14:54.45 | Gnarfoz | the bag button never shows up when hover over it ^^ |
| 14:55.11 | Gnarfoz | actually, it works on this char. what. never mind, probably night elf vibes breaking it |
| 14:57.56 | bluspacecow | its been a while but is kaelten still kicking around / not ded ? |
| 15:02.36 | bluspacecow | does onebag3 work in classic or does it need an update ? |
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| 15:25.58 | Gnarfoz | not 3 hours since opening a third DE PVP realm, it has 4000 queue :D |
| 15:26.14 | Ennea | yea.. |
| 15:26.17 | Ennea | there's a fourth now |
| 15:26.17 | Ennea | :D |
| 15:26.37 | Ennea | vastly underestimated player numbers in general |
| 15:26.39 | Ennea | but especially germans |
| 15:27.15 | Gnarfoz | trying to tell Blizzard such things before they happen hasn't worked in 14 years, so there's no surprise it's happening again now :P |
| 15:29.20 | Ennea | :D |
| 15:29.30 | Ennea | to be fair, being wary was probably a good call |
| 15:29.38 | Ennea | you really don't want a bunch of servers that will be empty after a month |
| 15:31.42 | Gnarfoz | OTOH, allowing character creation on hugely overcrowded realms was not a stroke of genius, either : |
| 15:33.12 | Ennea | good call |
| 15:33.20 | Ennea | they should've created more realms then i guess |
| 15:35.05 | Gnarfoz | I might as well stop and wait for gf to come home, instead of switching realms ever hour, which she won't be able to log into anyway :D |
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| 15:38.00 | Funkeh` | being wary is still a good call because 90% of the base will be gone within 2 months |
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| 15:41.23 | Ennea | 90% is a pretty high estimate |
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| 15:58.03 | Ennea | any addon way to remove the floating xp text after killing mobs? i remember an addon back in the day that did it by overwriting the font with an empty one.. anything more elegant? |
| 16:07.21 | nevcairiel | i think its game rendered, so probably nothing you can do other t hen that |
| 16:07.36 | Ennea | too bad |
| 16:07.47 | Ennea | looks different now than it does in the 1.12 client, so i thought they may have changed it |
| 16:25.47 | spode | is SelectQuestLogEntry(id) disabled on classic? not throwing any errors but nothing is happening |
| 16:27.34 | foxlit | what do you expect to happen? |
| 16:28.13 | spode | the quest getting like clicked on in the quest log |
| 16:28.26 | spode | from how I interpreted the note on the wiki |
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| 16:29.24 | nevcairiel | clicking a quest calls that f unction, but calling the function is not the same as clicking the quest |
| 16:30.15 | spode | alright thanks |
| 16:33.23 | foxlit | any favorite priority queue implementations in Lua? |
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| 17:22.32 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> SetColorTexture is broken in Classic if anyone cares to knoe |
| 17:22.35 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> know* |
| 17:24.16 | Gnarfoz | nice, queued, went for dinner, back, queue is now 85 minutes, up from 65 min before. :D |
| 17:24.25 | Gnarfoz | it's moving in the wrong direction xD |
| 17:25.35 | nevcairiel | noone is logging out :D |
| 17:25.50 | nevcairiel | did you not get in since like 15:00 or such? |
| 17:26.39 | Gnarfoz | not into the realm we were playing on last night, no (Venoxis) |
| 17:27.21 | Gnarfoz | we're probably going to make new chars on Transcendence, which was opened like half an hour ago |
| 17:29.37 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: Hekili? or something more abstract |
| 17:30.56 | nevcairiel | well it is going to calm down maybe by next week i reckon |
| 17:31.10 | nevcairiel | this weekend will be crazy from all those that didnt get in through the week |
| 17:31.18 | nevcairiel | but after that maybe a b it more relaxed |
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| 18:03.15 | foxlit | I half-made a thing: https://www.townlong-yak.com/box/zcdWEh.txt |
| 18:05.03 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: the data structure. |
| 18:24.13 | netameta | EsreverWoW, Did they fix battleshout ? |
| 18:25.39 | EsreverWoW | I haven't tested, but I am assuming not since that is how it was in 1.12. |
| 18:26.06 | EsreverWoW | They aren't generally touching any class mechanics, bugs or not. |
| 18:26.26 | EsreverWoW | If it worked that way in 1.12, that's how they want it in 1.13.2. |
| 18:26.41 | EsreverWoW | It wasn't fixed until 2.0.1. |
| 18:27.05 | nevcairiel | whats broken with battle shout? |
| 18:28.06 | EsreverWoW | It's not broken as in something doesn't work. Just broken in that it does stupid amounts of threat in certain situations. |
| 18:28.58 | EsreverWoW | Threat from bShout isn't limited to 5 targets (can affect pets but not things like totems or other summons). It adds a threat value onto each target that is engaged with a party member that has had the buff applied. |
| 18:30.40 | EsreverWoW | So a Warrior with 4 others as pet classes can bShout and affect 9 party members at once. threatValue * 9 is applied to all engaged hostiles for each application if it hits all 9 party members. |
| 18:31.29 | EsreverWoW | Fixed an issue where Warrior "Battle Shout" was causing too much threat. - https://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_2.0.1 |
| 18:31.47 | kd3 | well, then it looks like it's WAI for classic |
| 18:31.54 | EsreverWoW | Just high threat per rage is all. |
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| 19:11.24 | Ennea | damn.. new realms left and right |
| 19:11.28 | Ennea | _another_ german pvp realm |
| 19:35.28 | Ennea | btw, what's up with me always seem the realm list on login |
| 19:35.36 | Ennea | did they remove the concept of the default realm? o.o |
| 19:36.10 | nevcairiel | its apparently broken |
| 19:36.53 | Ennea | hm.. oh well |
| 19:36.57 | Ennea | there's worse things to be broken |
| 19:37.03 | Ennea | at least they fixed sheath sounds before release ;D |
| 19:39.10 | nevcairiel | also i'm leveling a warlock, does the mana situation ever get b etter? :p |
| 19:39.23 | Ennea | yes |
| 19:39.25 | Ennea | no |
| 19:39.59 | Ennea | life tap! |
| 19:40.12 | nevcairiel | maybe once i get drain life that'll be more viable |
| 19:40.33 | Ennea | just life tap until you die |
| 19:40.43 | Ennea | one of my guildies back then on our rp-pvp realm used to do that all the time in dungeons |
| 19:40.53 | nevcairiel | i just got the pudding, so at least i'm not tanking anymore |
| 19:41.00 | Ennea | the pudding :D |
| 19:41.17 | Gnarfoz | you can't kill yourself with life tap, though |
| 19:41.25 | nevcairiel | you can with hellfire! |
| 19:41.29 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 19:41.32 | Ennea | Gnarfoz, you can't? |
| 19:41.35 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 19:41.38 | Ennea | did they add that later, or am i remembering it wrong? |
| 19:41.42 | Gnarfoz | the latter |
| 19:41.49 | Ennea | i guess she just did it close to death, then, and died from some mob damage |
| 19:41.56 | Gnarfoz | or add hellfire to the mix |
| 19:41.57 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 19:41.59 | Ennea | i never played lock, so my knowledge is lacking |
| 19:42.13 | nevcairiel | yeah the cast isnt going through, just tried |
| 19:42.25 | Ennea | ah, hellfire has self damage |
| 19:42.28 | Ennea | that would work i guess |
| 19:42.40 | Ennea | :3 |
| 19:42.47 | Ennea | can't even kill yourself with life tap... boring |
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| 20:28.24 | Ennea | got a fun one for you all. as i said a few days ago, i still use spew. i just love it |
| 20:28.32 | Ennea | i've ran into some issues where, supposedly, spew taints.. things |
| 20:28.36 | Ennea | and suddenly i can't target anymore |
| 20:28.48 | Ennea | i broke this down to the smallest reproduceable.. thing |
| 20:29.13 | Ennea | https://pastebin.com/iuAm2CAf |
| 20:29.24 | Ennea | add this to any addon. or maybe via /run, i guess that might work as well |
| 20:29.46 | Ennea | afterwards, open your chat input, start writing /tar or some such and use tab completion to auto complete to target |
| 20:29.54 | Ennea | try targetting anything, get told the action was blocked |
| 20:30.08 | Ennea | here's the fun part: if you change "/spew" in that code sample to anything else, it will work |
| 20:30.22 | Ennea | the one thing that makes this break, for whatever reason, is spew's actual slash command |
| 20:30.27 | foxlit | 'Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :(' |
| 20:30.29 | jaxdahl2 | blizzard's on to your tricks |
| 20:30.32 | Ennea | i changed it to /snew. worked |
| 20:30.35 | Ennea | /splorge works |
| 20:30.37 | Ennea | /spew does not |
| 20:31.04 | jaxdahl2 | foxlit using noscript too huh |
| 20:31.26 | Ennea | let me just paste the lines here, it's just three |
| 20:31.27 | foxlit | Not really, no. |
| 20:31.29 | Ennea | SLASH_SPEW1 = "/spew" |
| 20:31.29 | Ennea | function SlashCmdList.SPEW() |
| 20:31.29 | Ennea | end |
| 20:31.37 | jaxdahl2 | don't spew please |
| 20:31.43 | Ennea | already spewed :3 |
| 20:31.57 | Ennea | anyway, you can also change the slash command.. name.. key? to anything of your choice |
| 20:32.05 | Ennea | as long as the command itself is still /spew, this error will happen |
| 20:32.11 | Ennea | and now i'm left wondering why, because it seems absurd |
| 20:34.15 | foxlit | is that on live? |
| 20:34.38 | Ennea | on classic |
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| 22:04.08 | Nimhfree_ | are we still limited to using XML to create things that are virtual, like a Button? |
| 22:12.14 | Semlar | excuse me |
| 22:18.18 | Semlar | you can create a button without xml, you do need xml to create a virtual template to inherit from |
| 22:19.44 | Nimhfree_ | exactly, so we still need to do XML to create the virtual templates. :-( |
| 22:20.42 | Semlar | you can write a lua function to create your button for you if you don't want to use xml |
| 22:35.06 | znf | foxlit is the last person on earth using Safari, and he has no adblocker |
| 22:35.07 | znf | :D |
| 22:35.46 | Mr_Rabies | jeez what platform |
| 22:36.05 | Mr_Rabies | i can almost understand it on mac but it's not even usable on every other platform lol |
| 22:36.13 | znf | obviously on mac |
| 22:36.39 | Mr_Rabies | oh i guess they retired safari for windows in 2012 lol |
| 22:37.12 | znf | yes... |
| 22:39.15 | Mr_Rabies | i had no clue, i thought it was still around and still awful |
| 22:39.28 | Mr_Rabies | i swear i used it sometime after 2012 for the first time but i guess it's been a lot longer |
| 22:57.57 | Nimhfree_ | semlar: I know how to do both in XML and Lua. I had hoped that the requirement to have XML for virtual templates had gone away, allowing for no XML at all. However, since I declare some virtual templates, I will need to use XML unless I redesign not to use the virtual templates. |
| 22:58.33 | Semlar | what's your motivation to change it |
| 23:05.19 | znf | Wonder if we'll ever see games with addon support that require stuff in nodejs |
| 23:13.30 | Nimhfree_ | my motivation is to try to reduce reliance on XML because I find that the difference between Retail and Classic causes me to need to tweak the XML-created UI in the Lua code. So if it were all Lua I could easily create the frames with the proper settings to start with (based on the environment) |
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| 23:50.18 | tz | znf: don't get me started, that sort of shit has been handed down by PM at my company |
| 23:50.36 | znf | laughs in javascript |
| 23:50.37 | tz | not games, but still, open fucking season for ppl who doesn't work out proper containerisation |
| 23:50.51 | tz | s/doesn't/don't/ |
| 23:50.54 | znf | oh wait, I forgot to npm install laughing |
| 23:51.02 | tz | lol, exactly |
| 23:51.26 | tz | I actually told them "don't fucking do it, you want simple stuff, just embed lua" |
| 23:51.40 | tz | "no, nodejs is where all the devs are, lets leverage that" |
| 23:52.23 | tz | day after release: .........and a whole host of microservices on our AWS platform is down |
| 23:52.44 | znf | i don't really want to bash on javascript & nodejs |
| 23:52.58 | tz | I'm so glad it's our Bangalore team doing it |
| 23:53.05 | znf | but unfortunately the hip & popular languages/platforms attract a lot of inexperienced devs |
| 23:53.14 | tz | I hear output from Indian dev teams is top-notch |
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