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| 00:39.39 | znf | That Enforcer KX rare is so "rare"... that we had 2 spawn in the same time |
| 00:42.55 | Arrowmaster | And now I need to find a cdrom drive https://github.com/lantus/devilution-nx |
| 00:47.02 | znf | Extract contents of diablo-nx.zip release into SDMC:\switch\diablo-nx |
| 00:47.02 | znf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.03 | znf | ? |
| 00:48.58 | znf | People have been getting Titanforged yellow punchcards today like crazy |
| 00:48.58 | Arrowmaster | its diablo 1 for hacked switches |
| 00:49.04 | znf | I saw 2 424's today |
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| 00:58.50 | znf | Arrowmaster, yeah, but why a cd-rom? |
| 00:59.13 | Arrowmaster | so I can get the diablo 1 mpq file off my cd of the game |
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| 01:11.14 | znf | Arrowmaster, Arrr. |
| 01:13.28 | znf | I mean, you own it |
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| 01:42.49 | nebula | diablo 1 didn't get a "classic game" digital version, eh |
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| 02:26.43 | znf | I see Blizzard still hasn't done anything about people equipping lower ilvl gear with high azerite trait gear |
| 02:28.09 | znf | I was getting destroyed by a prot paladin who had like 70k less HP than me, in mecha-town |
| 02:28.24 | znf | guards weren't able to do anything about it, he was killing me in a few large hits |
| 02:29.14 | znf | and I couldn't attack back, else the guards would murder me instead of him |
| 02:29.17 | znf | nice gameplay, 10/10 |
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| 08:29.48 | nevcairiel | they should just give up and remove pvp, people are incapable of making that a decent experience no matter how hard the game developer works |
| 08:30.34 | nevcairiel | or if people are attached to their pvp, they need to stop whining about it, its their own created problems :p |
| 08:56.42 | AcidWeb | By that logic they should remove pve too to end whining about TF ;p |
| 08:57.11 | Alram | was sent to ashran as epic bg a few days ago |
| 08:57.17 | Alram | which was actually fun |
| 08:57.39 | Alram | world pvp is just broken though |
| 08:57.44 | Alram | mostly due to sharding being so easy to abuse |
| 08:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | i joined one and horde were already in our base, so ashran still the same as always |
| 08:57.58 | Alram | yeah i guess it is case by case |
| 08:58.04 | Alram | but i feel it is more likely to be fun than most other BGs |
| 08:59.45 | nevcairiel | AcidWeb: contrary to pvp, someones misbehavior in pve does not affect others, while exploiting such things in pvp ruins other players experience, so thats the big difference |
| 09:00.28 | nevcairiel | (and players will always find a way to ruin other players experience) |
| 09:02.46 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes incredible things come out of that drive |
| 09:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | like the blood plague in vanilla |
| 09:04.21 | Maldivia | well, something good came out of that... or well, a scientific/academic paper |
| 09:04.50 | Mr_Rabies | just the whole thing was incredible even if it was frustrating at the time |
| 09:05.25 | nevcairiel | that didnt effect gameplay as much, as it just eradicated the cities |
| 09:05.29 | Mr_Rabies | it would be amazing to secretly work in something like that as an intended gameplay element in a game but people would obviosuly complain |
| 09:06.00 | nevcairiel | the pre-even to wrath was similar and intentional |
| 09:06.05 | nevcairiel | and people did complain a whole lot |
| 09:06.09 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i missed that :( |
| 09:06.29 | Mr_Rabies | but something unexpected, not ptr-tested to death and explained everywhere |
| 09:06.57 | nevcairiel | dataminers are ruining the game! |
| 09:07.05 | Mr_Rabies | just drop a communicable debuff on a few players on any faction over the course of a day or so and see what happens |
| 09:07.21 | Mr_Rabies | sorta like the n'zoth thing |
| 09:07.39 | Mr_Rabies | eye of n'zoth thing* - you know they're playing with that to see what kinda data they get |
| 09:08.22 | Mr_Rabies | ditto with the horde "decision" thing that so far leads nowhere |
| 09:09.28 | nevcairiel | the world is full of crybabies now, imagine a relevant one-time decision with consequences, they would all throw a hissifit |
| 09:09.43 | nevcairiel | imagine diablo2 with no respecs in 2019, its entirely unthinkable, people would die out of anger |
| 09:10.19 | Mr_Rabies | yeah which is why i don't really see them doing it, i could see someone getting upset that the character they spent 15 years playing got "ruined" somehow |
| 09:10.29 | Mr_Rabies | myself included, if it wasn't pulled off right |
| 09:10.44 | Mr_Rabies | but they're certainly measuring some stuff |
| 09:11.28 | Mr_Rabies | no one complains when something permanent happens to their character in a roguelike with permadeath generally, since that's an understood rule already |
| 09:12.07 | Mr_Rabies | when wow turns from sitcom-level returning to the status quo on an event-to-event basis to that kind of idea, getting pissed not having any kinda warning makes sense |
| 09:13.10 | Mr_Rabies | but the disease thing is something they could certainly try in a game like Rust |
| 09:13.27 | Mr_Rabies | seed random people as diseased and play a little plague inc with real people |
| 09:13.34 | Mr_Rabies | "real people" |
| 09:13.35 | Mr_Rabies | i guess |
| 09:15.21 | Mr_Rabies | on some servers make the disease not show any symptoms for a long time, on others have them show up immediately with various differences in lethality and effect |
| 09:17.01 | Mr_Rabies | but rust isn't a permanent, persistent world, the servers do reset everyone's progress fairly often |
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| 09:20.18 | Mr_Rabies | man i just totally forgot about vanilla's meeting stones for like a decade or more now i think |
| 09:22.21 | Mr_Rabies | Meeting Stones are located outside of each dungeon to help players find a group to adventure with in the dungeon. The meeting stone will try to find you a viable five-person group by looking for a tank, a healer, and so on. As time passes and you are unable to find a group, the meeting stone will become less picky about who it groups you with. |
| 09:22.32 | Mr_Rabies | 100% forgot about this and how many times you'd wind up with 5 dps |
| 09:22.47 | nevcairiel | not sure we really ever used it |
| 09:22.50 | nevcairiel | it was really crap |
| 09:23.19 | nevcairiel | so easily forgetabl |
| 09:23.45 | Mr_Rabies | i remember having something somewhat similar in 2.0 despite the meeting stones changing to the current ones |
| 09:24.00 | Mr_Rabies | where it existed but was barely used because the queues took forever and it made awful groups |
| 09:24.23 | nevcairiel | 2.0 added an actual group finder similar to today |
| 09:24.32 | nevcairiel | showed you a list of people etc |
| 09:24.54 | nevcairiel | which was replaced with LFD in .. i forgot, wrath already? |
| 09:25.31 | Mr_Rabies | oh yeah this thing https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/wowpedia/9/9d/Patch_3.1.0_LFG.png |
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| 16:44.06 | znf | uhm |
| 16:44.16 | znf | someone tought it would be a good idea to disallow flying if you have a bounty on your head ... |
| 16:45.23 | znf | So, basically, just log off... wait 1 minute, log back on, no more bounty |
| 16:56.15 | Alram | isnt there like |
| 16:56.16 | Alram | a net gun for that |
| 17:00.29 | mikma | on the other news. i hate tooltips. |
| 17:01.28 | mikma | mouseovering partyframes makes my tooltips swap places. right. |
| 17:08.27 | mikma | oh, other tooltip addons don't do that well either |
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| 17:26.33 | znf | Alram, there is |
| 17:27.06 | znf | geez, 420 to 425 is 100 manapearls :( |
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| 17:36.51 | VIad | is there api to figure out if you are a mercenary? like bod faction swap mechanic? |
| 17:40.14 | MooreaTv | gm |
| 17:40.44 | AcidWeb | One sec vlad |
| 17:40.59 | AcidWeb | i will get you proper call after this expedition |
| 17:41.07 | AcidWeb | need to check my notes |
| 17:44.15 | MooreaTv | wasnt the blood plague in bc ? |
| 17:45.58 | nevcairiel | blood plague was from zulgurub in classic |
| 17:50.44 | VIad | thanks AcidWeb it will help :d |
| 17:51.58 | AcidWeb | Vlad: GetBattlefieldArenaFaction |
| 17:53.01 | AcidWeb | Compare that with player faction and if ~= mercenary. |
| 17:53.34 | VIad | it returns 0 and I am alliance but the docs says 0=horde 1=alliance :thinking: |
| 17:54.11 | AcidWeb | You are inside bg where you are mercenary? |
| 17:54.48 | VIad | no I was testing it outside in the world atm. I figured I could use it to detect my "fake" vs "real" faction |
| 17:55.18 | VIad | like inside BOD how do I know what part of the instance I am and turn into the other faction? I could add a bunch of checks, just would be neat if the API told the true faction regardless or something |
| 17:55.18 | AcidWeb | Yeah it will not work outside bg. |
| 17:55.27 | VIad | still thanks for the tip :d |
| 17:55.35 | AcidWeb | Ah that race change |
| 17:55.43 | AcidWeb | that is not mercenary mode ;p |
| 17:56.10 | VIad | it said mercenary error when I tried to do something inside BOD that it didnt want me to |
| 17:56.23 | VIad | like the error message that came up told me "can't do that while mercenary" of some sorts |
| 17:56.29 | VIad | just assumed they piggy backed on that framework |
| 18:00.04 | MooreaTv | is there a newer than 2012/working version of TexBrowser ? (browse through in game textures) |
| 18:01.17 | MooreaTv | or http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser |
| 18:01.38 | Alram | cascexplorer :D |
| 18:05.57 | MooreaTv | thx ! (should I worry about the :D part?) |
| 18:06.09 | Alram | its 8.2 so many are unnamed |
| 18:06.13 | Alram | it is kind of a bitch to browse |
| 18:06.42 | Alram | also not sure if there is a blp filter but should still be able to find most textures regardless |
| 18:10.15 | MooreaTv | the preview doesn't seem to work for me (because I opened the online storage?) |
| 18:11.58 | Alram | maybe its broken for some reason :( |
| 18:12.05 | Alram | worked a few builds ago for me but i don't actively use it |
| 18:12.32 | MooreaTv | same for local storage maybe it needs some other external program to view blp ? |
| 18:13.44 | Alram | oh |
| 18:13.48 | Alram | do analyse unknown files first |
| 18:13.53 | Alram | in tools |
| 18:13.58 | Alram | it needs to detect things are blps first |
| 18:14.15 | Alram | for unk things that is |
| 18:14.27 | MooreaTv | Error during analysis of unknown files: WDC3 file is corrupted! |
| 18:14.39 | Alram | uh is that an older build or something? |
| 18:14.50 | MooreaTv | it does show type .blp |
| 18:14.58 | MooreaTv | I picked classic beta |
| 18:15.00 | Alram | and clicking them doesnt preview? |
| 18:15.03 | Alram | oh |
| 18:15.09 | Alram | support for that might be a bit wonky still |
| 18:15.20 | Alram | blps -should- work tho, those havent changed |
| 18:15.31 | MooreaTv | but I am guessing my basic problem is not having a viewer for blp |
| 18:15.48 | Alram | its built in :( |
| 18:15.55 | MooreaTv | I extracted 1 file and I don't have an association for that type in windows |
| 18:16.00 | Alram | https://marlamin.com/u/CASCExplorer_2019-07-05_20-15-43-2C8L04L3.png |
| 18:16.00 | MooreaTv | oh |
| 18:19.25 | mikma | which devtool allows me to dump the info under mouse? |
| 18:20.37 | MooreaTv | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.12 | mikma | thank you |
| 18:22.22 | mikma | well that doesn't work that well. everything is UIParent.2316565742g314.container ... |
| 18:24.02 | AcidWeb | Alram, mikma: SetCVar("fstack_preferParentKeys", 0) |
| 18:25.41 | mikma | aaah, lovely |
| 18:29.48 | MooreaTv | there is also https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/framestackglobalizer (what does the cvar do ?) |
| 18:31.47 | AcidWeb | yes that was replacement before that cvar was found |
| 18:32.54 | MooreaTv | oic so they had it working internally just needed the cvar to fix it... what is the other key if not parent to use ? |
| 18:33.06 | MooreaTv | (to find the secret cvar to fix it) |
| 18:36.46 | nevcairiel | wouldnt one have read the code of fstack when making such an addon, and as such finding the cvar right away? :d |
| 18:37.45 | MooreaTv | either nice find |
| 18:38.14 | MooreaTv | either way... weird loss between brain and hands |
| 18:39.36 | MooreaTv | I took the latest build for cascexplorer maybe it has some issue as I can't preview anything (maybe there is a log file with errors somewhere let me check) |
| 18:40.59 | MooreaTv | [7/5/2019 11:26:43]: EA53270D260619C326BF7A3D5AC78E24 - All_WoW - NoNameHash |
| 18:40.59 | MooreaTv | [7/5/2019 11:26:43]: 0406124 000000000006326C All_WoW textures/bakednpctextures/creaturedisplayextra-22357.blp |
| 18:40.59 | MooreaTv | it has stuff like this in debug.log ^ but I don't see errors per se |
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| 19:14.17 | MooreaTv | installing a million visual studio and .net stuff to try from source |
| 19:15.38 | Alram | no idea why it wouldnt work |
| 19:16.07 | nevcairiel | if all you want is interface textures, plenty people export them as png |
| 19:19.28 | MooreaTv | is there a fast way to flip through/search etc online ? |
| 19:20.04 | MooreaTv | somehow the build from source one shows me a very different file list (it has the app and unknown etc) |
| 19:20.36 | Alram | i don't think there's a fast way no |
| 19:22.26 | MooreaTv | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327420858521878529/596782865941790720/unknown.png |
| 19:22.45 | Alram | likely no listfile |
| 19:22.50 | Alram | so makes sense |
| 19:23.12 | Alram | grabbing one from https://wow.tools/casc/listfile/download/csv/unverified will likely make it look the same as the build on gh |
| 19:24.20 | MooreaTv | is the "analysing" step doing that, making a listfile ? |
| 19:24.25 | Alram | no |
| 19:24.46 | Alram | maybe for some easily guessable things like model names, but nowhere close to a full listfile |
| 19:25.04 | Alram | most of the listfile is made of community contributions/pre 8.2 bruteforcing |
| 19:25.09 | MooreaTv | how are they created? |
| 19:25.20 | Alram | at this point, imagination |
| 19:25.39 | Alram | lots of educated guesses |
| 19:29.10 | MooreaTv | the viewer works when built from source https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327420858521878529/596784559505539122/unknown.png |
| 19:29.18 | Alram | yay |
| 19:29.49 | MooreaTv | I wonder what's wrong with the binary build, or maybe it's because I was missing some .net runtime before, let me try the binary again |
| 19:29.59 | Alram | it works here so it might be the latter |
| 19:30.50 | MooreaTv | nope that one is still borked |
| 19:30.59 | Alram | very weird |
| 19:31.13 | MooreaTv | I guess I can steal the filelist from that one too |
| 19:31.20 | Alram | grab the one from my link |
| 19:31.21 | Alram | its newer |
| 19:31.36 | Alram | one from github is almost a month old |
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| 19:34.08 | MooreaTv | thx it works well! |
| 19:41.47 | MooreaTv | this is awesome, thanks alram ! so let's say I find a texture I like in there, how do I reference it/reach it from an addon ? |
| 19:42.06 | Alram | by filedataid if there's a thing for that |
| 19:42.07 | Alram | probably is |
| 19:43.04 | MooreaTv | i see copy name, like dungeons/textures/deadmine/stu_inn_wall_01.blp |
| 19:43.18 | Alram | yeah wont be able to load things by name anymore |
| 19:43.20 | MooreaTv | but I don't see ids |
| 19:43.37 | MooreaTv | though I am guessing it's in the filelist |
| 19:43.37 | Alram | no option to turn those on or something? |
| 19:44.06 | MooreaTv | there is "add fileids to soundfiles" checked |
| 19:44.31 | Alram | hm guess there no col for that then |
| 19:44.48 | Alram | but yeah everything named would be in csv |
| 19:45.21 | MooreaTv | what is "use LV" doing ? I can't tell the difference beside it takes a bit to reload |
| 19:45.28 | Alram | low violence |
| 19:47.50 | MooreaTv | oh I guess that doesn't apply to wow |
| 19:49.32 | Alram | ,it does |
| 19:51.29 | MooreaTv | wtb play button for ogg files |
| 19:52.22 | Alram | if it were my tool that would have been a thing already |
| 19:52.27 | Alram | it is on mine but not as fast |
| 19:52.46 | MooreaTv | merge :) what's your tool? |
| 19:52.53 | Alram | https://wow.tools |
| 19:57.52 | MooreaTv | nice ! and grats/that must be a ton of work |
| 19:58.41 | znf | VIad: re:mercenary, I'm sure you just get a buff/debuff on you outside bg |
| 20:01.13 | MooreaTv | alram- on your files list there is an id, yay ! maybe add the size? I don't see it even in "more info" |
| 20:01.23 | Alram | that is on the todo yeah |
| 20:04.24 | MooreaTv | avi preview too :) ? |
| 20:04.28 | Alram | haha |
| 20:04.31 | Alram | as soon as browser support it |
| 20:04.41 | MooreaTv | though maybe that'd suck up too much bandwidth |
| 20:04.51 | MooreaTv | don't browsers know how to play avi ? |
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| 20:04.58 | Alram | nop especially not blizzards |
| 20:10.14 | MooreaTv | kobold.m2 doesn't show anything (that I can see) in the model viewer |
| 20:10.22 | Alram | possible yeah |
| 20:10.25 | Alram | especially if its a classic model |
| 20:12.38 | MooreaTv | the next one is fine though (caveminekobold01.m2) - this is 2nd and 3rd result from "kobold" search |
| 20:13.33 | MooreaTv | maybe the viewer could display some info about the file (bounding box, number of triangles or stuff like that if there is such thing in that format) |
| 20:13.46 | Alram | not enough interop between viewer and webpage yet |
| 20:13.51 | Alram | hopefully one day |
| 20:15.08 | MooreaTv | it's very cool nonetheless |
| 20:17.54 | MooreaTv | for wmo, suggestion: when I click both mouse buttons, forward (like in game) |
| 20:19.01 | Alram | we tried that, too many people complained |
| 20:19.10 | Alram | does do that on mobile still though i think |
| 20:20.00 | MooreaTv | complained about what ? not having to use w :) ? |
| 20:20.06 | Alram | heh |
| 20:20.12 | Alram | people's control schemes are sensitive |
| 20:20.48 | MooreaTv | a key to reset the view once you lost it/went through some wall or too far would be nice |
| 20:21.02 | Alram | there was at one point |
| 20:21.20 | MooreaTv | and mouse wheel for fov |
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| 20:21.47 | MooreaTv | basically, wow.exe in your browser :-D |
| 20:22.05 | Alram | i don't want to make it -too- easy |
| 20:22.09 | Alram | :D |
| 20:22.10 | MooreaTv | can I load my addon in the viewer or type /lua :) |
| 20:22.41 | MooreaTv | actually that last part, having online wow lua I would like to help with |
| 20:22.59 | Alram | that sounds like a foxlit project |
| 20:24.43 | MooreaTv | thinking of starting from https://github.com/cogwheel/lua-wow |
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| 21:09.46 | znf | Alram: what codec are the avi files using? |
| 21:10.03 | znf | Maybe you could do a one-time container change? |
| 21:10.10 | Alram | it might be normal these days |
| 21:10.22 | nevcairiel | they are quite normal codecs, divx probably, but most are encrypted |
| 21:10.39 | Alram | encrypted ones should just be black screens these days |
| 21:10.44 | Alram | but i don't want to live mix the audio in |
| 21:10.46 | Alram | mildly annoying |
| 21:11.07 | Alram | and not sure where to start with playing avi's on web |
| 21:11.28 | nevcairiel | yeah avi is not very web compatible |
| 21:11.43 | nevcairiel | and neither is divx for that matter if they still use it |
| 21:58.12 | foxlit | Requisition: A Few Carp: 0/3 Carp returned to water. |
| 21:58.17 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure that's not how you requisition things. |
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| 22:19.00 | nevcairiel | fish people, what do they know |
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| 22:36.30 | MooreaTv | how do you guys have time to work on all these amazing tools _and_ play :) |
| 22:54.48 | nevcairiel | 15 years of wow is plenty time to get stuff done |
| 23:04.49 | Mr_Rabies | you can't do anything with punchcards you don't need but vendor them right? |
| 23:05.00 | nevcairiel | keep em, maybe you change your mind |
| 23:05.03 | Mr_Rabies | can't scrap them or change their stats or anything right |
| 23:05.12 | Mr_Rabies | ehh i doubt i'll need all of these awful 404 ones |
| 23:05.26 | Mr_Rabies | logic boards, at that |
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| 23:33.51 | znf | It's 2019, 15 years of wow, and you still get stuck in combat randomly |
| 23:34.29 | znf | HA |
| 23:34.31 | znf | And I logged back in |
| 23:34.33 | znf | still in combat |
| 23:35.52 | nevcairiel | for 15 years I have been playing night elf, the once race without that problem, and its been glorious. |
| 23:35.57 | nevcairiel | one race* |
| 23:36.16 | znf | I used to play a class that had a way to get out of it |
| 23:36.24 | foxlit | shadowmeld didn't take you out of combat for quite a few of those years. |
| 23:36.43 | znf | I've walked half the map |
| 23:36.45 | znf | I'm still in combat |
| 23:37.23 | znf | and for some reason I'm hostile to rustbolt guards |
| 23:37.42 | znf | this is so frustrating |
| 23:37.49 | znf | those guards can't even kill you |
| 23:38.06 | nevcairiel | it does since 3.0, thats plenty more years since it does that then it did not |
| 23:38.17 | MooreaTv | yup but I think back then you didn't get stuck in combat (you did get stuck in terrain though) (re shadowmeld years) |
| 23:39.15 | MooreaTv | I hear if you make a transaction on the shop it unstucks you :) |
| 23:39.32 | znf | "You can't log out now" |
| 23:39.40 | znf | what the fuck do you want me to do, stupid piece of shit |
| 23:39.56 | MooreaTv | they forgot to add "pay $5 for unstuck now" |
| 23:40.34 | MooreaTv | just restart your client |
| 23:41.01 | znf | I did |
| 23:41.01 | foxlit | "You can't log out now" is the silliest error ever. |
| 23:41.10 | znf | I alt f4'd |
| 23:41.13 | znf | logged back in |
| 23:41.15 | foxlit | It's practically encouraging you to go "Oh yeah? Watch me!" and alt+f4 the client. |
| 23:41.16 | znf | "you are in combat" |
| 23:41.59 | MooreaTv | you have to wait for it to reset - like 30s or 1 min - or log in another character first before the stuck one |
| 23:42.02 | nevcairiel | you have to stay logged out for longer if you want to truely reset your char in that situation, because the error has a certain meaning - in that it doesn't just let you escape combat easily |
| 23:42.08 | MooreaTv | so it knows it has to kick the other one out |
| 23:42.12 | MooreaTv | server side |
| 23:42.33 | znf | what the fuck |
| 23:42.40 | nevcairiel | there is a reason for these things, otherwise people would just use logout to quickly escape sticky situations, so it keeps your char active for a while if you try to do it |
| 23:42.46 | znf | I was going to kill myself by pulling a few mobs |
| 23:42.52 | znf | and when I got low on HP, the mobs despawned |
| 23:42.55 | znf | and I got out of combat |
| 23:43.14 | MooreaTv | see all is well, you're back to the "not trying to annoy the hell out of znf" phase |
| 23:43.34 | MooreaTv | probably was pvp related |
| 23:43.46 | foxlit | (should really just warn you that your character will remain in world for 20 seconds and may die in that time) |
| 23:44.21 | MooreaTv | well sometimes forcing people to restart the client is probably the right thing to do |
| 23:44.46 | znf | foxlit, you mean like, you know... logging out outside of a rest area? |
| 23:45.38 | foxlit | it would be better if it didn't make you sit there for those 20 seconds and watch. |
| 23:45.39 | MooreaTv | people would be bitching if they weren't forced to see their character die when they try to leave mid combat |
| 23:45.58 | znf | yet again, I entered rustbolt |
| 23:46.03 | znf | with the most boring guards |
| 23:46.04 | MooreaTv | there is an exit now button when you're not in combat |
| 23:46.05 | znf | that do nothing |
| 23:46.10 | znf | but root you and stun you |
| 23:46.11 | foxlit | not for logout. |
| 23:46.13 | nevcairiel | why did you piss off rustbolt guards |
| 23:46.25 | znf | I literally have no idea |
| 23:46.32 | MooreaTv | add one :) |
| 23:46.36 | nevcairiel | isnt that town supposed to be neutral |
| 23:47.11 | nevcairiel | I always have to remember to fly high when I get over the horde encampment on the shore, or they'll try to root me, which is annoying when you're in the air |
| 23:48.12 | znf | the guards attack you if you pvp in the city |
| 23:48.16 | znf | but they hit you for 1.5k |
| 23:48.18 | znf | and root you |
| 23:48.20 | znf | that's about it |
| 23:49.35 | nevcairiel | rooting is pretty bad if you are actually pvping :p |
| 23:49.45 | nevcairiel | since the other one might just get you then |
| 23:49.57 | znf | yeah, my point exactly |
| 23:50.00 | znf | but... |
| 23:51.11 | MooreaTv | they try to make it a self serve/self regulating. basically just avoid the attack and then stealth away kind but allow "fair" fights |
| 23:51.36 | znf | because this in turns creates another problem - |
| 23:51.48 | znf | if someone attacks you, they will aggro the guards |
| 23:52.02 | znf | but you can't defend yourself |
| 23:52.12 | znf | because if you also hit him back, you also get pwned by the guards |
