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| 02:44.59 | MooreaTv | any idea why "Randomize" isn't in https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/GlobalStrings.lua and/or where I can find it for a button ? (it exists in character creation so should be somewhere?) |
| 02:52.55 | Meorawr | At a guess, it's because the it's got bit 0x2 set in its flags in the GlobalStrings DB file which might make it exclusive to the GlueXML layer. |
| 03:00.39 | MooreaTv | ohhh cool k thx (is that visible somewhere?) - need to run but will read in a bit |
| 03:01.41 | Meorawr | https://wow.tools/dbc/?dbc=globalstrings&build=8.2.0.30774 |
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| 05:27.13 | MooreaTv | meow- oh nice that db - is there some embedded db on the client and this is its content ? (which db is embedded?) |
| 06:04.58 | nebula | yes (all of them) |
| 06:29.29 | MooreaTv | so rocksdb, mysql, postgress, etc... are all embedded in the wow client :) ? |
| 06:30.35 | nebula | oh lol :p it's their own format |
| 06:31.14 | nebula | https://wowdev.wiki/DBC |
| 06:31.42 | nebula | well, https://wowdev.wiki/DB2 |
| 06:33.19 | MooreaTv | ah neat, all that was reversed enginered? or is it published / standard ? |
| 06:33.47 | nevcairiel | its not published |
| 06:33.50 | MooreaTv | btw there is no EditBoxOnTabPressed for static dialog, any way to know tab was pressed ? |
| 06:35.33 | MooreaTv | maybe :SetScript("OnTabPressed" ... will work |
| 06:44.04 | MooreaTv | trying (and failing so far) to change the width first |
| 06:52.12 | MooreaTv | halp :) |
| 06:56.28 | MooreaTv | SetMaxLetters() does work to set a logical max, but how do I make the width match that ? (and side note, can I change the font to not be proportional) |
| 07:01.34 | MooreaTv | good news is e:SetScript("OnTabPressed", function() DB:Debug("Tab pressed!") end) works |
| 07:09.38 | MooreaTv | k found e:SetWidth() but what is the unit (seems to be pixels, or ui scaled pixels) - how do I get the size of my text ? |
| 07:12.23 | MooreaTv | ah maybe :GetStringWidth() but how do I get the FontString ? |
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| 07:34.57 | MooreaTv | another faq probably but is there a non proportional built in font I can use ? |
| 07:35.08 | MooreaTv | (with a constant for it) |
| 07:39.01 | MooreaTv | ah SystemFont_NamePlateFixed maybe |
| 07:40.13 | MooreaTv | or maybe SystemFont_World now lets see if I can use that |
| 07:44.02 | AcidWeb | Remember that user can replace fonts. |
| 07:45.49 | MooreaTv | yeah but I would expect they keep fixed fonts fixed (and if not... well) |
| 07:46.05 | MooreaTv | SystemFont_World is huge somehow |
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| 07:48.08 | MooreaTv | I must be doing something wrong because it says 14 in fonts.xml but it looks ginormous |
| 07:49.27 | nevcairiel | its usually a better idea to use the fonts defined in FontStyle.xml btw |
| 07:49.52 | MooreaTv | oh 14 is the other one, world is height="64" |
| 07:49.53 | MooreaTv | ah ? |
| 07:51.19 | nevcairiel | The others work too, but the FontStyles ones is what the UI itself uses |
| 07:51.45 | MooreaTv | somehow styles doesn't have any mention of the 2 above (or the word fixed anywhere) |
| 07:52.08 | MooreaTv | oh there is CombatTextFont |
| 07:53.30 | MooreaTv | still huge, how do I make it fit inside the box, vertically, then change the box horizontally to match the width ? |
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| 07:54.13 | LenweSaralonde | yo |
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| 07:55.35 | MooreaTv | I am so confused by fonts in wow :/ |
| 08:12.00 | MooreaTv | I asked on the forums, hopefully someone can tell me the magic incantation :) |
| 08:13.51 | bluspacecow | AVADA KADEVRA |
| 08:16.20 | MooreaTv | WW WW WW WW |
| 08:28.32 | MooreaTv | got my tab code to work at least |
| 08:49.32 | bluspacecow | oh noes |
| 08:49.35 | bluspacecow | RUN! |
| 08:51.24 | MooreaTv | ? |
| 09:01.53 | nebula | you are meddling with forces you cannot possibly comprehend |
| 09:13.39 | bluspacecow | wooooooo |
| 09:19.45 | MooreaTv | ok :) gn ! |
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| 12:04.14 | nebula | so i've been trying to research spell dr in vanilla for what feels like hours, and i've come to the conclusion no one knew what the fuck was happening in pvp |
| 12:05.57 | VIad | I think mobs didn't have any DR mechanics you could CC them forever |
| 12:06.12 | nebula | false |
| 12:06.39 | VIad | thats just what I think I remember, again no beta club can't really test either :p |
| 12:06.39 | nebula | stuns in particular dr in pve |
| 12:06.48 | Maldivia | yeah, mobs definately had DR -- something like 3 times and immune for a while |
| 12:06.51 | VIad | what about sheep or traps? |
| 12:07.04 | nebula | no |
| 12:07.07 | VIad | perma sheep NPC? |
| 12:07.25 | VIad | I played hunter and think I could perma trap a mob |
| 12:08.01 | nevcairiel | you can perma sheep NPCs even today still |
| 12:08.17 | nebula | i guess i should have said only stuns |
| 12:08.22 | nevcairiel | its those combat hard CCs that allow you to damage them as well that are DRed |
| 12:08.41 | VIad | so if it breaks by damage no DR, if it doesnt there is DR |
| 12:09.03 | VIad | how about sources would the DR be the same shared or per person basis? |
| 12:09.08 | nebula | kind of the difference between a stun and a disorient/incapacitate |
| 12:09.23 | nebula | per mob |
| 12:10.05 | VIad | largest difference I guess was just that pvp CC like sheep lasted 1 min but on live they make them last much shorter to begin with so its not completely broken |
| 12:10.40 | VIad | sheep pvp player was 1 min, then you had 60% effect each time you applied it until the target hasn't been under that type of CC for X amount of time |
| 12:11.20 | VIad | not quite sure on the exacts, again playing hunter dont have enough memory about this from back in the day, I didnt chain trap people back in those days hehe |
| 12:13.54 | VIad | for real tho have you tried to watch some 1v1 duel videos on warcraftmovies dated 2005 just to see if you can spot how long the CC lasts? dunno if 320x140 videos will help figuring that out but worth a shot |
| 12:14.15 | VIad | esp if you like linkin park, rammstein or other popular pvp video music from those days |
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| 14:18.21 | rawillkill | hey @ Chipzz where you at now |
| 14:18.23 | rawillkill | level squish coming |
| 14:18.27 | rawillkill | told you |
| 14:18.52 | rawillkill | https://imgur.com/a/hCZQXhN |
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| 14:20.14 | nevcairiel | thats more like putting feelers out how people would react |
| 14:20.18 | nevcairiel | if its even real |
| 14:20.48 | rawillkill | they have discussed it a bunch already, and levelling for no purpose other than to get a bigger number is stupid |
| 14:20.53 | rawillkill | you're not getting a new talent or new abilities |
| 14:21.46 | nevcairiel | no argument there, however this is not an announcement, just a survey how people would like it, if its overwhelmingly negative it might not happen |
| 14:23.00 | rawillkill | blizzard has never done anything overwhelmingly negative before :D |
| 14:41.38 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.25 | foxlit | I like the grey-on-gray color scheme and a casual suggestion to read 496 privacy policies for more details. |
| 14:44.16 | AcidWeb | Gray color is allegory of state of privacy. |
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| 14:47.00 | Chipzz | the irony is, I don't even know what the little retard is on about |
| 14:47.34 | Chipzz | I don't recall having a discussion where I said that level squish was unlikely/ not happening |
| 14:51.20 | Chipzz | well apparently he was here before, 20180810 |
| 14:57.16 | Chipzz | reand reading that log it was about ilvl, not lvl anyway |
| 15:03.27 | Chipzz | but FWIW I would actually welcome a lvl squish |
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| 15:10.00 | Chipzz | oh, and rereading that discussion... he wasn't even advocating for a level squish |
| 15:10.12 | Chipzz | his idea was per-expansion leveling |
| 15:10.13 | Chipzz | 05:44 < rawillkill> like i said, the profession split, but for levelling |
| 15:11.06 | nevcairiel | that seems unlikely |
| 15:11.23 | Chipzz | that's what I told him back then |
| 15:11.41 | Chipzz | and now he was here acting immature "See see I was right! Level Squish!" |
| 15:11.54 | Chipzz | which wasn't even his original brainfart to begin with back then :) |
| 15:14.42 | foxlit | the story here is that you annoyed someone to the point that they felt compelled to come back and rub your nose in it. |
| 15:14.55 | Chipzz | foxlit: yeah :) |
| 15:15.15 | Chipzz | foxlit: and the point here is that there is no rubbing to be done |
| 15:15.34 | Chipzz | because his proposal back then wasn't what is in the slides at all |
| 15:16.34 | foxlit | which isn't really interesting to anyone but you two. |
| 15:17.00 | Chipzz | actually it's not even interesting to me :) |
| 15:17.39 | Chipzz | the only reason I looked it up was because I didn't even recall the discussion and was "Huh, what's this guy on about?" |
| 15:18.37 | Chipzz | anyway pretty immature to come back after 9 months to "rub someones nose in it" :P |
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| 15:41.52 | nebula | never forgive, never forget |
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| 17:29.51 | cladhaire | Hi I love you |
| 17:37.05 | Ketho | cladhaire: the first edition wowprogramming book has vanilla/bc api, this gonna be so useful for classic :p |
| 17:37.50 | kd3 | eh, somewhat. they're kinda-sorta recreating 1.12-style API calls in the 8.x client |
| 17:38.11 | foxlit | "Hi I love you" sounds like the subject of a virus-containing email. |
| 17:40.45 | cladhaire | Ketho: Haha, I hadn't though about that actually |
| 17:40.49 | cladhaire | foxlit: you know me so well <3 |
| 17:41.18 | cladhaire | I'm going on vacation soon, thinking to knock out at least Clique |
| 17:41.45 | cladhaire | Really tricky to figure out what the overall changes are and be able to dry-code that, though :D |
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| 18:55.13 | MooreaTv | gm |
| 19:51.24 | cawaker | I've been curious about that, what functions and data will be available in classic because it is that kind of hybrid modern engine but old databases. |
| 20:36.16 | AcidWeb | 8.1 with the classic twist |
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| 21:09.34 | znf | I don't get the whole level-squish |
| 21:09.56 | znf | like, what does it matter if max level is 120 or 60 in the context of max-level content? |
| 21:10.35 | kd3 | because leveling to '120' scares people, but leveling to '60' is more approachable, even if it's the same investment of time/energy/etc |
| 21:11.38 | Timosh | no talents or spells |
| 21:11.44 | Timosh | after lvl 60 or so |
| 21:12.00 | Timosh | its like 1 passive every 15 lvls |
| 21:12.50 | Mr_Rabies | yeah right now levels seem totally arbitrary anyway (i mean they were before but now they even -feel- arbitrary) |
| 21:13.13 | Mr_Rabies | like it doesn't really make sense to level up every expansion when all the real chracter progression happens at level cap |
| 21:13.23 | Mr_Rabies | why even bother with the leveling part then, it just seems unnecessary |
| 21:15.08 | Mr_Rabies | you get weaker as you level until you get fairly far into the level cap progression, it's just kinda dumb |
| 21:16.00 | Mr_Rabies | the content scaling is a good idea, but it really makes everything until level cap feel like a chore |
| 21:18.10 | kd3 | batctl o |
| 21:18.12 | kd3 | ... |
| 21:18.14 | kd3 | ugh |
| 21:19.11 | Mr_Rabies | batctl o to you too |
| 22:01.46 | Stanzilla | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/c05xme/someone_changed_the_entry_for_the_number_of_sons/ |
| 22:01.47 | Stanzilla | rude |
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| 22:08.07 | nevcairiel | People are so unbelievably selfish these days |
| 22:16.33 | nevcairiel | also the wowwiki editor is so crappy |
| 22:16.39 | nevcairiel | just open it, and it adds loads of newlines |
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