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| 01:50.25 | TomCat | A Beta & Stress Test account just showed up for me - not something I am able to log into as the realm for it is offline |
| 01:50.48 | kd3 | you got added to the stress test. you'll be able to log in from 2-4pm tomorrow |
| 01:52.11 | TomCat | hope this is in addition to what Cairenn was submitting us for - afaik the stress test is just a 24 hour thing |
| 01:52.37 | kd3 | actual beta access is a different flag - which is what cairenn is sending info for |
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| 01:53.16 | TomCat | ok that's cool - at least I can get something done tomorrow if the beta access doesn't come through yet |
| 01:53.49 | Mr_Rabies | i think they're going to be "permanent" beta flags |
| 01:54.06 | Mr_Rabies | they simply said they were looking to add more people who have opted in to the beta in time for the stress test |
| 01:54.10 | kd3 | that's the intent from what I've been gleaning. you just got randomly flagged for this one |
| 01:54.20 | Ketho | isn't there a limit on how much ptr/beta licenses you can have? like people who had 2 ptr licenses (idk how) couldn't get flagged for beta |
| 01:55.22 | TomCat | I currently have 2 ptr licenses... one for 8.2, and one for this beta & stress test. hopefully that doesn't cause an issue |
| 01:56.13 | TomCat | I guess I'll find out in time when we see what happens for others here |
| 01:59.48 | Mr_Rabies | shouldn't |
| 01:59.59 | Mr_Rabies | that's the norm for most folks i think |
| 02:00.04 | Mr_Rabies | except those that never opted in to ptr |
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| 02:10.14 | Simca | nah blue posts in thread say stress test access is temporary |
| 02:10.17 | Simca | and separate |
| 02:10.28 | znf | slaps Simca with a stick |
| 02:10.52 | Simca | and "Getting invited to the stress test will not impact your standing for future closed beta invites." |
| 02:11.10 | Mr_Rabies | ah yeah |
| 02:11.25 | nebula | oh look at this fancy new bnet account page |
| 02:11.33 | nebula | doesn't list beta account anymore, eh? |
| 02:12.18 | nebula | or i guess it shows up as World of Warcraft®: Legion (WoW7) Public Test Realm |
| 02:12.22 | TomCat | just confirmed with someone who has beta and can see 2 beta realms and 1 (offline) stress test realm |
| 02:12.36 | TomCat | *all in the same wow account |
| 02:13.01 | TomCat | nebula: correct |
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| 08:42.51 | Maldivia | nebula: yeah, that is what I was seeing as well |
| 09:04.21 | Chipzz | I was reading https://www.denofgeek.com/us/games/blizzard/281116/world-of-warcraft-classic-preview-impressions just now and it hit me: |
| 09:04.38 | Chipzz | "Anyone who has played WoW in recent years knows that most dungeons are now an AOE grind fest. Just pull the entire pack and start blasting everything down at once. From some of the yelling I heard, this is no longer going to be a successful strategy come August." |
| 09:05.39 | Chipzz | this is what made WoW a fun game for me. grouping up and using amongst other things CC abilities to tackle a dungeon as a team |
| 09:05.39 | nevcairiel | we did the same thing in classic, its just a matter of having some gear back |
| 09:06.02 | Chipzz | instead of the shitty AoE fest that WoW has become |
| 09:06.25 | Chipzz | the way to fix this game is to completely and utterly nerf ALL AoE abilitis 10 kilometers into the ground |
| 09:07.58 | Chipzz | so you don't need a FOTM AoE class to run M+ and specs like feral might become relevant again in M+ |
| 09:08.58 | nevcairiel | dont kid yourself, you'll still get the class with best dps and best utility, thats how the game has always worked, will always work, and is impossible to avoid |
| 09:09.00 | Chipzz | AoE abilities should be limited to killing packs of low-HP mobs |
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| 09:10.26 | Chipzz | my fondest memory of WoW is when I started playing in BC as a feral, the group didn't have a tank and someone told me: "Hey, can you go tank? It's not THAT hard :)" |
| 09:11.02 | AcidWeb | It is not. |
| 09:11.09 | AcidWeb | If you die just blame healer. |
| 09:11.41 | nevcairiel | and thats how another bad tank is born |
| 09:11.48 | Chipzz | the game (or rather, the playerbase) desperately needs to move away from the bloody effing "GOGOGO AoE it all down" mentality |
| 09:12.15 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: actually I was pretty good at it and tanked for my guild for a long time after that :) |
| 09:12.49 | Chipzz | and I'm afraid the only way to achieve that is to completely nerf all AoE abilities by a significant margin |
| 09:13.14 | Chipzz | so this playstyle is simply no longer possible |
| 09:14.34 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: back then marking mobs with {skull} to indicate priority targets was still a thing :) |
| 09:14.52 | Chipzz | and DPS would actually listen instaed of going "GoGoGo" |
| 09:15.10 | nevcairiel | the problem isnt the aoeing, because in bfa dungones plenty mobs have enough abilities to make such a task extremely dangerous if you pull more then one pack, its the hard CC like stuns which let you aoe an entire pack without fear of those abilities |
| 09:16.04 | nevcairiel | AoE CC effects is whats the real problem, and for all I care, they could all be removed entirely |
| 09:17.19 | Chipzz | or have damage abilities (both single target and AoE) break that hard CC |
| 09:18.09 | nevcairiel | being able to stun mobs or players and dps them for a short period is a useful and valid skill |
| 09:18.12 | nevcairiel | just not in aoe |
| 09:19.06 | Chipzz | or we could just remove the PvP side of the game altogether to enable balancing around PvE |
| 09:19.42 | Chipzz | IMO there's plenty of other games where you can PvP your hearth out if you want |
| 09:19.59 | Chipzz | decent PvE coop games like WoW, not so much :( |
| 09:20.42 | Chipzz | people who want to PvP can go play OverWatch or Unreal Tournament for all I care |
| 09:21.01 | Chipzz | I've always considered the PvP aspect of WoW to be a cancer |
| 09:21.52 | Chipzz | I remember a game with plenty of interrupts and interruptable abilitis in dungeons |
| 09:22.09 | Chipzz | which eventually got trimmed down because of PvP balance |
| 09:22.45 | Chipzz | trying to have a game that balances around both PvE and PvP at the same time is always going to be problematic |
| 09:23.32 | Chipzz | PvE or PvP, pick one, but not both |
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| 09:33.26 | Simca | people are already realizing on classic beta that everyone was just awful 15 years ago and nothing was really that hard |
| 09:35.07 | Chipzz | I'm not talking about Classic though, I never even played classic. personal experience is TBC |
| 09:36.06 | nevcairiel | there will be so many realizations that classic wasnt that rose-colored as everyone makes it out to be, will be fun to watch |
| 09:39.02 | Chipzz | there have been plenty of big time improvements (QoL) over the years in WoW, don't get me wrong |
| 09:39.58 | Chipzz | I don't even think Azerite armor is mistake in itself, it could have been a cool concept (I actually kinda like the idea of having abilities on gear) |
| 09:41.30 | Chipzz | it's the combination of lack of other power that (removal of legendaries & artifacts as has been mentioned multiple times already - and trinkets) that made it fail |
| 09:42.49 | Chipzz | also the ability pruning really needs to be halted and reversed |
| 09:43.12 | Chipzz | so many talents that used to be baseline |
| 09:43.39 | ls- | @Simca, not only that, but earlier versions of vanilla were legit harder, Blizz repeatedly nerfed some dungeons over its course, so people might be just remembering their levelling exp during the harder times :D |
| 09:43.49 | ls- | that's on top of being shite at the game :V |
| 09:44.02 | VIad | I always remembered the game turning into aoe fest, just by design classes generally had crap aoe back in the day, but as soon you outgeared content and went back into old content, as long the mobs permit it, you did aoe away as well as you could :p |
| 09:44.44 | Chipzz | VIad: that's why I said nerf AoE 10 kilometers into the ground |
| 09:45.26 | VIad | to be fair in dungeons they did add mob types that prevent aoe pulls, just about adding in the elites at key places to ruin a big aoe pull :d |
| 09:45.32 | ls- | like, 1.11-1.12 is basically the last 6 months of vanilla, tbc was around the corner, most people who're more or less good at the game back then were waiting for the new xpack |
| 09:45.53 | Chipzz | AoE should be for situations where for example you have regular mobs with (making up some numbers here) 1K HP, boss has 10K HP but spawns adds that need to be AoEd down quickly but only have like 100 or 200 HP |
| 09:46.34 | ls- | news about tbc were enough to make people quit raiding naxx or take a break from the game altogether |
| 09:46.39 | Chipzz | so talking order of magnitude difference in single target vs AoE strength |
| 09:47.39 | Chipzz | reduce AoE to a niche and make single target the norm |
| 09:48.13 | ls- | so legit vanilla players simply don't remember or didn't even experience how easy the last months of vanilla were, that's why many of them have pikachu face now :D |
| 09:48.31 | Chipzz | instead of the opposite of what we have now where AoE is the norm and single target is the niche |
| 09:49.24 | nevcairiel | Like I said earlier, this isnt even required. They already tried to make dungeon packs legit dangerous, but they left in AoE CC which negates all of that. Remove that part, and pulling huge packs becomes so dangerous that only the most skilled players manage to control and AoE them at the same time, and then they deserve the faster killing they get from it |
| 09:50.00 | ls- | yeah, this ^^^ |
| 09:51.08 | nevcairiel | You talk about reversing pruning, but you want to basically make an entire class of abilities useless? Why not instead add some depth to the game so that AoEing has both ups and downs, based on your abilities |
| 09:51.12 | Chipzz | the problem IMO is there are too many AoE packs to begin with |
| 09:52.39 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: it's not like the inverse isn't true right now, is it? an entire class of abilitis (single target) is essentially the niche right now, only relevant for raid-bosses that have large HP pools |
| 09:52.53 | nevcairiel | relevant to any kind of bosses |
| 09:52.57 | nevcairiel | its not like they dont get used |
| 09:53.10 | nevcairiel | one doesnt aoe dungeon bosses, or dungeon mini-bosses |
| 09:53.18 | Chipzz | 5 man dungeons tend to have too much trash |
| 09:53.34 | nevcairiel | and certain M+ affixes even punish too strong AoEing and mandate control |
| 09:54.31 | VIad | if anything should fix so tanks aren't scaling out of proprotions or some dps classes having perma high uptime on their ST and AOE damage outclassing most other specs :p |
| 09:55.00 | VIad | atm m+ is heavily melee heavy as the nature of the large mass aoe pulls and those classes having no real downtime in between making them super strong for that kind of content |
| 09:55.43 | Chipzz | VIad: ironically tanks having too much damage is a problem not unique to WoW - the 3/3 meta in OW for example |
| 09:55.45 | VIad | when you pull 4 packs and the tank warrior is doing 60k dps with the rogue/unholy/monk all doing 60k+ dps it's funky, why would you bring affliction warlock or a hunter :d |
| 09:56.20 | VIad | high dps low downtime and utilities on the spec = good for m+ |
| 09:57.06 | VIad | like poor dps warriors no utilities just some mediocre dmg numbers WITH cooldowns so why have those if you can push more with other specs. sadly I dont know if there is a fix :P |
| 09:57.17 | VIad | its the inherent issue with keeping specs unique-ish |
| 09:57.37 | VIad | but sadly not innovating enough on the m+ front by actually adding spec specific benefits/downsides in the dungeons |
| 09:57.47 | VIad | cour of stars was fun with the race/spec/profession benefits |
| 09:58.08 | VIad | I thought rogue picklock was one of many other bonuses like in TG but blizz never did anything for the other specs :d |
| 09:59.25 | Chipzz | I wonder why WoW moved away from the "Tanks have low damage abilities with threat modifiers" model in the first place? What was the problem with that? |
| 09:59.48 | VIad | they could add different shortcuts for various class shortcuts to play with their weakness and make them relevant by having a separate path that leads to a unique miniboss or pack that gives more % and so on, would make you maybe want to bring a enhancement shaman :p |
| 10:00.09 | nevcairiel | tanks still do relatively low damage compared to dps, its just that by the nature of them that they scale well in aoe, like many melees do |
| 10:00.12 | VIad | they do have the same amount of ST damage more or less |
| 10:00.22 | VIad | some tanks scale too much in AOE than others |
| 10:00.36 | VIad | esp with some traits that are exclusive to that spec |
| 10:01.02 | VIad | you thought we got rid of legendaries? we just replaced them with farming new azerite pieces everytime the item level is bumped up +10 :P |
| 10:01.31 | nevcairiel | people make that out like this special thing, not like you had to farm gear before right |
| 10:01.38 | VIad | enjoy working hard to both have the FOTM spec and farm the FOTM azerite trais on that character |
| 10:01.43 | VIad | just more rng layers these days |
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| 10:02.22 | VIad | balancing secondary stats, getting the good trinkets or weapons, easier than getting the correct azerite items with those good traits, god forbid if you have more than 1 spec you want to play and minmax as well |
| 10:02.57 | nevcairiel | Its a BiS item like any other |
| 10:03.14 | VIad | difference is blizz changes the BIS items everytime they hotfix azerite items :p |
| 10:03.24 | Chipzz | except azerite is much less farmable |
| 10:03.27 | nevcairiel | and since they added the 5th ring, there is often even multiple combinations of BiS you can get |
| 10:05.08 | VIad | legendary vendor from start of legion would be great, but the azerite vendor is scaled for you to buy 1 azerite item you need/bis once every month if you play a lot its a bit insulting. you might have your bis 3 items for your balance spec in 3 months or smth reliably |
| 10:05.24 | VIad | then hope you dont want to main healer as well and have some other traits for your raiding, or dungeons, and so on. |
| 10:06.02 | nevcairiel | tiers last 6 months or so, having BiS by half of it seems fine to me |
| 10:06.03 | VIad | lucky being a rogue that only plays one role and probably has to farm much less to get their sets complete |
| 10:06.45 | nevcairiel | nevermind that you might actually get raid pieces, like in the olden days, from an actual raid boss |
| 10:07.18 | Chipzz | VIad: that's one reason I don't look forward to returning to the game - at this point I'm SO hopelessly behind in whatever the azerite gear currency is called now that the situation quite frankly looks desperate to me |
| 10:07.34 | VIad | my druid friend quit playing early because he liked to minmax and play balance/feral/resto/guardian but didnt have the money to keep swapping azerite traits, nor did he manage to farm enough to be competitive on all the specs, huge grind compared to other classes. |
| 10:08.07 | VIad | I play the game but less focused on the gear, being a tank DH there are only so many traits you want to help survivability, not as many memable traits as warrior tanks might have anyway :p |
| 10:08.12 | nevcairiel | the catch up mechanism for azerite is just fine, any returning player will have enough azerite to unlock the majority of traits within a day or two |
| 10:08.22 | nevcairiel | in 8.2 they even bump you for free to 35 |
| 10:08.28 | VIad | getting the gear with the traits is what I meant tho not the neck levels |
| 10:08.37 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: not talking about AP |
| 10:08.56 | VIad | gold cost to swap your traits is silly and makes no sense - why punish those that want to experiment or play more specs? |
| 10:08.59 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: talking about the currency to buy azerite gear from the vendor |
| 10:09.05 | nevcairiel | thats irrelevant anyway |
| 10:09.15 | nevcairiel | they devalue stockpiled currency when the s easons change |
| 10:09.43 | VIad | still takes a month with playing all the time I think, to buy 1 item out of 3 for 1 of your specs |
| 10:09.45 | nevcairiel | so that you have an incentive to spend it early |
| 10:10.41 | VIad | I mean it's not horrible but I feel sorry for druid players that want to do all specs and 5 man and raid as they need more to minmax :p |
| 10:11.18 | nevcairiel | And yet people cry for classic, where you literally had to collect an entire replacement gear set, every single piece |
| 10:11.31 | Chipzz | what VIad said. and since the only azerite items that will be available will be the dumpster ones from WQs, and the currency is only available from M+ which I won't be able to get into because of the shit dumpster gear, it's a circular problem |
| 10:12.00 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: but at least that was achievable |
| 10:12.22 | nevcairiel | WQs currently give 400 azerite items, thats heroic raid level, thats perfectly fine to catch up |
| 10:12.43 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: but they have dumpster traits, not dumpster ilvl |
| 10:13.05 | nevcairiel | thats just plain false, but whatever |
| 10:13.09 | VIad | older expansions were more a shopping list tho and you crossed of stuff as you progressed a bit more goal oriented. especially for dungeons you could farm them again and again. azerite items you can't sadly. |
| 10:13.17 | nevcairiel | the same pool of traits exist on them as on dungeon ones |
| 10:13.29 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: depends on your class/spec I suppose |
| 10:13.40 | nevcairiel | in previous expansions dungeons became instantly useless |
| 10:13.47 | nevcairiel | your comparisons all fail VIad |
| 10:14.04 | Chipzz | resist gear in classic? :) |
| 10:14.06 | VIad | classic I remember farming 5 mans for a while to get raid ready |
| 10:14.19 | VIad | went back in there for my NR for huhuran too I remember, solo tho so was a bit fun |
| 10:14.33 | VIad | soloed like a bunch of maraudons for leather NR hehe |
| 10:14.34 | nevcairiel | thats all you did before M+, farm to get raid ready for a few weeks, never set foot into them again |
| 10:15.09 | VIad | think many reach a point now where they get tired of the m+ farm if they did it for gear as it took too long and too unreliable. can't speak for others, just how it seems |
| 10:15.38 | VIad | most our guys got their stuff mainly from raids, the good stuff, helps in m+ ofc so the system works well for a support system on the side with the vendor and such. |
| 10:15.42 | nevcairiel | Just pretend this is any expansion before legion, and ignore M+, nothing gained nothing lost? :) |
| 10:15.43 | VIad | feeling sorry for those that only want to m+ tho |
| 10:16.25 | VIad | wish blizz would make m+ the raid alternative felt they had that plan but didnt get to realize it |
| 10:16.51 | VIad | I can't argue too much it's like a numbers game every darn expansion |
| 10:16.58 | nevcairiel | there will never be "alternatives" just how people work |
| 10:17.01 | VIad | and the POV is skewed based on what content you do as well |
| 10:17.16 | VIad | how one sees one expansion and the other, depends a lot on content and specs/classes they play and such :p |
| 10:17.31 | nevcairiel | there will always be this one item from a raid you want, because its a strong trinket or whatever, or this particular item from a dungeon you want on a ahigh level |
| 10:17.44 | VIad | I feel worst for pvpers like no new pvp mode or map for how many years? :p |
| 10:17.51 | VIad | new arena tho at least they got that in bfa |
| 10:18.08 | AcidWeb | ekhem |
| 10:18.11 | nevcairiel | unless you get rid of gear and just hand out "player power points" or some nondescript nonsense, people will always look envious to one of the two branches if they for some reason cant do one |
| 10:18.20 | AcidWeb | Seething Shore |
| 10:18.31 | VIad | oh right that exists :x |
| 10:18.34 | AcidWeb | Also some of brawls don't suck. |
| 10:18.43 | Chipzz | I don't feel bad for PvP players at all in any way whatsoever. WoW would be a much better game with PvP removed from it entirely IMO :P |
| 10:20.13 | Chipzz | PvP is effing cancer IMO :P |
| 10:21.02 | AcidWeb | Well WPvP was nicely revitalized in BfA. |
| 10:22.01 | Chipzz | the one good thing about BfA is that, contrary to past expansions, they don't try to force you into PvP. like having to do PvP shit for the legendary quest line in the past |
| 10:22.14 | Chipzz | I hated that |
| 10:25.19 | nevcairiel | Its not like I actually liked that, but the one pvp thing you had to do for the legendary cloak was done and over with in 10 minutes so shrug |
| 10:25.58 | VIad | I'm quite casual, but I do enjoy more goal oriented progression. gear wise it feels like just RNG and always has for me. I just get and use what I get kind of attitude. at least for all the non-essential slots it's like great, another ring if it has the correct stats I guess I'll put it on. |
| 10:26.27 | VIad | with ML removed it just makes gearing as a guild to some degrees harder with new content, oh I got your BIS ring that has the wrong stats for me? sorry |
| 10:26.51 | Chipzz | it wasn't the time investment I hated, it's that they tried to "force-suggest" you into it. "Want to PvE? I'm sorry, but there's this PvP thing that's really cool and we really want you to check it out, so if you want to progress in PvE, go fuck yourslf" |
| 10:27.07 | VIad | removing that layer removed the last bit of control over loot in raiding, but it does make post-boss loot quicker, less need to figure out distribution so there is that :p |
| 10:27.20 | Chipzz | I hated the idea behind it much more than the time investment |
| 10:27.23 | AcidWeb | Welcome in World of Casino Vlad. |
| 10:28.12 | VIad | depends on the group of people playing but some times it does feel nice to get a pile of stuff and get to figure out who gets what part of the pie, gives you some control over it. |
| 10:28.47 | VIad | I see the downside where ML abuse was a thing but I wouldn't blame the game if that happens and just swap guild if it's a huge issue for me, not demand the game to force PL :p |
| 10:29.00 | AcidWeb | For me removing ML was just another step in long process of dumbing down the game. |
| 10:29.43 | Chipzz | AcidWeb: what you call dumbing down someone else might call a QoL improvement :) But I do agree in the case of ML, that should have stayed |
| 10:29.43 | AcidWeb | I expect that in WoW 10.0 ilvl will be replaced with emoji. |
| 10:30.34 | Chipzz | AcidWeb: and M+ will require you te have *barf*? :) |
| 10:30.46 | Chipzz | or o.O |
| 10:30.52 | Chipzz | or faceroll :) |
| 10:30.55 | AcidWeb | Nah character names will be replaced with raider.io score. |
| 10:31.12 | AcidWeb | People will low score will be placed in separate shards. |
| 10:31.19 | VIad | that's not a bad idea |
| 10:31.28 | VIad | it would serve as realms so to speak |
| 10:31.32 | VIad | 1 realm |
| 10:31.42 | Chipzz | "I'm sorry, our group requires O.o, and you're o.O" :D |
| 10:31.42 | AcidWeb | So you will not be offended by be forced to look on scrubs. |
| 10:31.44 | VIad | climb the ladder, get into better "realms" :p |
| 10:32.03 | VIad | you see a guy LFG you can just invite you know he is worth it and carries his weight |
| 10:32.23 | AcidWeb | LFG will get paypal integration to pay for boosts. |
| 10:32.25 | nevcairiel | raider.io score means nothing of that :p |
| 10:32.31 | AcidWeb | As only spam will be there. |
| 10:32.47 | VIad | people already buy RIO score boosts, not many luckily but those that do skew it enough :p |
| 10:33.00 | AcidWeb | Big, fat /s obviously. |
| 10:33.10 | nevcairiel | you dont even have to buy it to get carried |
| 10:33.22 | Chipzz | I wish blizzard would outright ban selling any kind of boosts, at all |
| 10:33.27 | nevcairiel | if you have a guild group you could be the weakest link and individually be totally overrated in the score |
| 10:33.32 | VIad | in the end just playing with regular people is I think the most important part if you want to get good in m+ just need to play and practice and keep going as a team. same with raiding I guess. |
| 10:33.56 | AcidWeb | That would annihilate guild economy Chipzz. |
| 10:34.15 | Chipzz | AcidWeb: it would also stop devaluing things like AotC |
| 10:34.25 | nevcairiel | taking people into raids for gold has been a thing literally since classic |
| 10:34.42 | VIad | I mean there is a limit to how much carry above 15 you can get, so scores 1.5k and below are more at risk of the boost factor, than above where having dead weight will make you deplete your key most times. |
| 10:34.45 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: that doesn't make it right |
| 10:34.45 | ls- | bwl/mc boosting was common af |
| 10:34.50 | nevcairiel | we did GDKP BWL runs back in the day to fill our pockets |
| 10:34.57 | AcidWeb | Achievements are even more worthless than r.io score. |
| 10:35.01 | ls- | those raids allowed for ~20 bodies in raid |
| 10:35.41 | VIad | maybe blizz needs to integrate those AI bots to analyze performances and figure out a individual score for different activies and roles |
| 10:35.56 | VIad | use that as a metric for their scores or whatnot :p |
| 10:36.25 | AcidWeb | Credit score for every character! |
| 10:36.36 | nevcairiel | and there is honestly nothing wrong with this, as long as there is no real money involved. If you have a friend and you take them, should that be illegal? Should he not be allowed to contribute to the guilds battle chest as a sign of thanks? |
| 10:36.40 | VIad | basically everyone has a personal coach that tries to help you improve whatever you do all the time :p |
| 10:42.25 | Chipzz | VIad: there's a difference between having a coach who helps you get better and getting carried |
| 10:45.32 | AcidWeb | I would like to have specator slot for raids. |
| 10:45.40 | AcidWeb | So RL would not be forced to play. |
| 10:45.53 | nevcairiel | in contrast, RL would be forced to not play |
| 10:46.00 | nevcairiel | which is not many would like |
| 10:46.02 | AcidWeb | Point taken. |
| 10:46.13 | nevcairiel | hm that sentence broke in the middle |
| 10:51.51 | VIad | one would assume you can make an AI coach and make it personalizable even, analyze player data that succeed and crunch that and apply some tips to people that might need it :d |
| 10:52.54 | VIad | the game generally lacks obvious ways to teach you what is right and wrong. just look at LFR people kill the bosses after enough deaths, at least most of the bosses, never learn anything. maybe LFR Is okay with that but adding a personal AI bot to coach and help you might open some peoples eyes to understand what is actually going on if you are a complete newbie |
| 10:53.12 | VIad | dunno but just something about AI bots is interesting to me :d |
| 10:55.46 | Chipzz | talking about spectating, does anyone know how the Blizzard_Commentator addon is supposed to function? |
| 10:56.06 | Chipzz | that sounds exactly like spectating functionality |
| 10:56.58 | Chipzz | is that addon supposed to be used with a specific client exe or by someone with specific privileges? |
| 10:57.37 | Chipzz | or is it related to StartSpectatorWarGame? |
| 10:57.37 | AcidWeb | It is used during arena tournaments. |
| 10:57.55 | AcidWeb | Not sure if it is used during MDI. |
| 10:58.05 | AcidWeb | Generally you need permission from Pope to enable it. |
| 10:58.19 | Chipzz | well, yeah, but how does it activate/ trigger? can't seem to figure out how to "activate" is is what I was trying to ask |
| 10:58.59 | Chipzz | there doesn't seem to be a UI or command for it? |
| 10:59.10 | Chipzz | or I may have overlooked it |
| 11:00.04 | Chipzz | or is it not supposed to be used by mortals? |
| 11:01.12 | AcidWeb | It is not not available for generic players. |
| 11:03.05 | AcidWeb | Entire namespace is protected. |
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| 11:15.20 | Andols2 | I got a copy of it once and installed it. |
| 11:15.59 | Andols2 | At least then the functions for spectating didn't exist in my client. |
| 11:16.21 | Andols2 | Lots if nil errors |
| 11:23.19 | Chipzz | so probably need special exe |
| 11:24.38 | Chipzz | frame also anchors to WorldFrame and it has its own Bindings.xml, so probably not meant to be used in conjunction with other addons |
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| 11:29.06 | VIad | the day wow gets a spectate functionality is the day a private server implements that functionality because I can't imagine blizz redoing their servers to be able to handle such kind of load. can't have 10k invisible ghosts in your raid instance watch method progress a boss, just will crumble :P maybe arenas during tournaments on special realms, maybe... |
| 11:29.59 | VIad | it's amazing to consider how valve does spectating in CS and dota2 the SourceTV framework is quite interesting. like they got 1 bot in the game and it relays like, all the data needed to other SourceTV servers and they daisy chain, it's interesting |
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| 11:54.40 | nevcairiel | obviously something like that would also have to exist, just relay game data through a spectator proxy, possibly with a time delay to avoid out of game coaching, just like SourceTV |
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| 13:08.43 | sylvanaar | got a classic invite |
| 13:09.12 | sylvanaar | that was really quick - "stress test" |
| 13:09.27 | Val2 | im jealous |
| 13:09.57 | Val2 | is the test over already? |
| 13:10.13 | sylvanaar | hmmm, its offline |
| 13:10.22 | sylvanaar | well whatever |
| 13:10.30 | sylvanaar | it must not be a full invite |
| 13:10.49 | Val2 | Hmm yeh if it's the stress test it's not full :( |
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| 13:28.07 | nevcairiel | if you dont see the beta realms, then you are indeed only in for the s tress test |
| 13:28.12 | nevcairiel | which is tonight |
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| 17:26.05 | Simca | yeah it's a single realm and only to level 5, they're trying to test their new phasing tech or w/e |
| 17:26.22 | Simca | designed to keep a sense of community but stop realms from crashing under load |
| 17:36.37 | ls- | @TSquare, sup o7, fresh crash: https://github.com/Stanzilla/WoWUIBugs/issues/11, I sent this link w/ the crash report, so it might already be in the system, but who knows :P |
| 17:37.04 | TukuiDevs | <Tukz> Those you got invited by Cairenn to classic beta should have their full access by now in my opinion, I had 10 slots on my side and they got activated 30 minutes ago. |
| 17:40.56 | Funkeh` | what kind of scrub puts the comma right next to the hyperlink |
| 17:42.05 | Alram | probably one that expects an irc client to deal with it properly :P |
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| 17:43.16 | Ketho | still no beta invite here, guess the stress test will do |
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| 17:43.26 | Funkeh` | Alram: a comma there is a valid hyperlink |
| 17:43.35 | Alram | absolutely disgusting |
| 17:44.24 | Alram | i always thought they were allowed but not in the end |
| 17:44.32 | Alram | aka not delimiting anything |
| 17:45.58 | Funkeh` | "you've been selected to participate in the stress test" well there's mine |
| 17:46.52 | Alram | > opens at 1:00am CEST Thursday, May 23, until 3:00am CEST |
| 17:46.58 | Alram | maybe next time they'll schedule it at a better time for EU |
| 17:47.12 | ls- | commas work fine ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 17:47.59 | AcidWeb | Alram: It also stress test EU players. |
| 17:48.07 | Alram | nice. |
| 17:49.10 | Ketho | they should restrict character select to only gnomes |
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| 18:09.35 | Semlar | someone got me sick neffi |
| 18:10.09 | foxlit | and what are you planning to do with that sick neffi? |
| 18:11.28 | Semlar | i haven't thought that far ahead |
| 18:22.21 | Crosshash | @ls Can't you split it up into multiple fontstrings? |
| 18:24.13 | ls- | why? |
| 18:24.19 | ls- | moreover, it works fine on live servers |
| 18:25.04 | ls- | also, this bit is really awkward: "I've noticed that the 128th through 192nd hyperlinks inside a SimpleHTML frame will consistently crash the client. Anything outside that range (before and after) works fine - I've tested up to 257 or so." |
| 18:25.11 | ls- | it's in the comments to taht issue |
| 18:25.54 | Crosshash | Yes, the limit is 127 |
| 18:27.15 | ls- | but what about links 192 and beyond? they seem to work fine o_O |
| 18:27.23 | Crosshash | Yeah, that one's weird |
| 18:29.21 | nevcairiel | sounds like an overflow that goes back to normal =p |
| 18:38.07 | Funkeh` | TSquare: Has there been any update in regards to the discussion you were going to have to give us some temporary replacement to GetFileIDFromPath (or whatever the API is called) in 8.2? I suggested some form of LoD API such as in the backwards compat addon. |
| 18:39.59 | Funkeh` | As a reminder, it won't work to give us file ids for paths outside of /interface/ making an update of paths in user settings a nightmare |
| 18:55.18 | Stanzilla | TSquare: any chance we could get a contact on the classic UI team as well? |
| 19:01.44 | Chipzz | Funkeh`: MATE terminal (+ ssh + screen) + irssi highlights the hyperlink upto but not including the comma, WFM :) |
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| 19:15.28 | Chipzz | ls-: SimpleHTML looks pretty buggy, I remember submitting another crasher bug to Dan last year ;( |
| 19:16.02 | Chipzz | don't recall the exact details but was very similar, also sth with hyperlinks and mouseover or click |
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| 19:21.24 | ls- | don't think it's the same bug, the bug I linked above isn't present on live servers, unless it's fixed some time ago and now reintroduced in 8.2 :D |
| 19:21.30 | ls- | not the first time something like this would happen :V |
| 19:21.50 | Chipzz | which is atcually rather disappointing given the with the restrictions on the HTML it can display it could probably be implemented as an intrinsic with FontStrings stacked above each other |
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| 19:23.47 | Chipzz | except it wouldn't be compatible with the current SimpleHTML due to the additional attributes and tags SimpleHTML implements |
| 19:24.45 | Chipzz | ls-: also, have you considered that this may not be a bug on SimpleHTML but on Frame? Frames can have FontStrings with links too, could be a limitation on the number of links a Frame supports |
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