| 00:01.11 | foxlit | A site like what, Semlar? |
| 00:03.20 | Semlar | one without alternative revenue streams to make it worth dropping advertisers just to improve the browsing experience for visitors |
| 00:05.48 | foxlit | Plenty of websites have no revenue streams or ads. |
| 00:06.39 | Semlar | those websites only exist because someone is paying for them to |
| 00:07.39 | foxlit | duh? |
| 00:08.23 | Semlar | ok let me rephrase that, what exactly do you think the incentive for someone to create a free website that not only doesn't turn a profit but doesn't even pay for itself is |
| 00:08.31 | nebula | because you can |
| 00:09.15 | Semlar | is gamepedia running a charity? |
| 00:09.31 | nebula | tons of people run community websites without getting paid for it |
| 00:09.35 | Mr_Rabies | that's kinda what the internet used to be about |
| 00:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | when it became about making money it kinda went to shit |
| 00:10.09 | Semlar | a website isn't free to create or run |
| 00:10.15 | Semlar | someone is footing that bill |
| 00:10.18 | nebula | so? |
| 00:10.41 | nebula | profit isn't the only motivation to do something |
| 00:10.54 | Semlar | it is the only reason wowpedia exists |
| 00:11.30 | Semlar | gamepedia wouldn't be hosting this if not to make money off of advertising through it |
| 00:11.40 | foxlit | it is the only reason gamepedia hosts wikis |
| 00:12.00 | foxlit | Which doesn't mean that a wiki wouldn't exist without it. |
| 00:12.07 | nebula | wasn't wowpedia initially independantly run? |
| 00:12.30 | Mr_Rabies | i'm guessing it was in the red enough that they decided to sell out instead of shuttering it |
| 00:12.54 | Mr_Rabies | not entirely sure that was the best decision but whatever, everyone's used to ads or blocking ads at this point and that's who runs the internet |
| 00:13.16 | Semlar | i didn't say another wiki couldn't exist without it, just that it would require someone who just happens to have the money to do it and the initiative to do it sans advertising |
| 00:13.45 | Mr_Rabies | no one runs websites as a passion project even if it costs them money anymore, since ad money is so tempting |
| 00:13.54 | foxlit | Psst, I host things without a profit motive or advertising. |
| 00:14.00 | Mr_Rabies | and i don't blame them, i don't really believe in free labor either |
| 00:14.03 | nebula | lol same |
| 00:14.27 | Mr_Rabies | but i definitely gotta say when every website was expected to cost the owner money the internet was a much better place |
| 00:14.46 | nebula | it's cheap a fuck to host stuff |
| 00:14.57 | nebula | as* |
| 00:15.13 | Mr_Rabies | and they're benefitting off of cheap labor anyway, since it's not like gampedia does shit to make the wiki worth visiting |
| 00:15.18 | Mr_Rabies | free labor |
| 00:15.19 | Mr_Rabies | rather |
| 00:16.22 | nebula | ah, wowpedia went from wikia to curse and now back to wikia |
| 00:16.42 | Mr_Rabies | oh it's back on wikia? |
| 00:16.45 | Ketho | I for once welcome our new (old) corporate overlords |
| 00:16.56 | nebula | wikia bought curse media |
| 00:16.57 | Semlar | wikia/fandom bought gamepedia |
| 00:16.59 | foxlit | It didnt move; just corporate structure things. |
| 00:17.01 | Mr_Rabies | ahhh okay |
| 00:17.03 | Semlar | or something |
| 00:17.30 | Mr_Rabies | as i recall wowwiki's staff bailed because wikia sucked, and they did their own thing, then they sold out to curse, |
| 00:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | and then i guess curse got bought by wikia |
| 00:17.55 | foxlit | There's no "then", it was bailing straight to curse. |
| 00:17.56 | Mr_Rabies | well, their gamepedia side |
| 00:17.59 | Mr_Rabies | was it? |
| 00:18.05 | Mr_Rabies | i swear there was a period where they were independent |
| 00:18.18 | nebula | i thought so, too, but i guess not |
| 00:18.23 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't very long, maybe a year or two |
| 00:18.27 | Mr_Rabies | but i could be wrong |
| 00:19.03 | Semlar | what we need is a third warcraft wiki |
| 00:19.52 | foxlit | Nah, curse just took a bit of time to set up gamepedia as its own thing and add ads. |
| 00:22.54 | foxlit | In any case, while there are obviously limits to what you could expect individuals to cover out-of-pocket, I don't think hosting the ui docs portion of wowpedia would require significant resources. |
| 00:24.31 | Mr_Rabies | just run adblock turned all the way to wumbo and do what you can to make ads not profitable |
| 00:24.39 | Mr_Rabies | that's what i do, at least |
| 00:24.44 | Mr_Rabies | well, ublock but you know |
| 00:28.37 | Mr_Rabies | unfortunately i think both mozilla and google banned that one extension that fed ad companies bogus data too :< |
| 00:29.48 | foxlit | "colloquy-nav://foxlitIt's easier not to visit websites which insist on serving crap." |
| 00:32.12 | Mr_Rabies | i'd rather cost them money and also still use their content for having the gall to serve crap |
| 00:33.23 | Mr_Rabies | also your colloquy is throwing some weird extra stuff out i think |
| 00:37.40 | foxlit | Yeah, the input box renders html links properly, but it can't actually send them. |
| 00:39.29 | foxlit | So you get to see the anchors it uses to display context menus if I copy/paste too much. |
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| 01:15.31 | tuller | yay ChannelInfo and CastingInfo appear to be just closures around UnitCastingInfo("player") and UnitChannelInfo("player") |
| 01:30.46 | EsreverWoW | Yep. |
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| 02:09.15 | Cairenn | MunkDev: it wasn't a general callout. If I put it up on WoWI, I get completely swamped. |
| 02:09.25 | MunkDev | Thanks for clarifying |
| 02:09.32 | Cairenn | It was put up here and in the Discord channel |
| 02:09.53 | Cairenn | If I get another chance to get more folks in, it'll be announced in those 2 locations again. |
| 02:10.11 | Cairenn | It's not like the usual expansion betas, ya know? |
| 02:10.17 | MunkDev | Do you have a discord link? |
| 02:10.21 | Cairenn | I only had like a dozen keys |
| 02:10.38 | MunkDev | I log in here every now and then but I don't have a bot to stay on here |
| 02:10.57 | Cairenn | https://discord.gg/Wyqb8T |
| 02:11.34 | MunkDev | Yeah, I don't really want to play the beta. ConsolePort has quite a few issues to solve though before release since action bar usage is entirely different in classic |
| 02:12.12 | MunkDev | I'll keep an eye out, thanks. You can delete my whiny post if you want to |
| 02:12.18 | Cairenn | I did |
| 02:12.25 | Cairenn | and sorry, but thanks for understanding |
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| 02:30.05 | sylvanaar | I wanna get an invite to classic |
| 02:30.38 | sylvanaar | looks like I am not the only one |
| 02:31.04 | Cairenn | I had it listed in here for ~a week ;p |
| 02:31.15 | sylvanaar | :( |
| 02:31.34 | sylvanaar | I have been sick for a week and a half :( |
| 02:31.40 | Cairenn | Just keep an eye out, if I get more chances I'll be posting it in here again |
| 02:31.45 | sylvanaar | ok |
| 02:31.46 | Cairenn | Sorry to hear that :( |
| 02:31.52 | Cairenn | Nothing too serious, I hope |
| 02:31.57 | sylvanaar | bad cold |
| 02:32.02 | Cairenn | bleh |
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| 02:33.01 | sylvanaar | wish they did a mod dev one - and just invited us like normal |
| 02:50.15 | Elmoe | sylvanaar: make sure you are explicitly opted in to classic beta, I wasn't but got in the day after I checked that box |
| 02:50.44 | sylvanaar | I did that. Found out I wasnât |
| 02:51.02 | sylvanaar | Yeah |
| 03:08.28 | Mr_Rabies | same |
| 03:08.38 | Mr_Rabies | signed up day before yesterday, got the invite yesterday |
| 03:08.54 | Mr_Rabies | well, opted in |
| 03:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | i kind of want to play to test stuff out but i don't really want my experience to be marred by a character i won't get to keep |
| 03:10.53 | Mr_Rabies | idoubt they'll bother, but if they do premade 60s to test ony or MC or something i will definitely get on board for that though lol |
| 03:11.41 | Gethe_ | would it really be classic if the raids weren't buggy on release? |
| 03:12.21 | Gethe_ | #nochanges |
| 03:12.40 | Mr_Rabies | i don't remember ony or mc being too buggy other than ragnaros himself |
| 03:12.48 | Mr_Rabies | but bwl was a nightmare lol |
| 03:13.02 | Mr_Rabies | it was the first time raids were complex enough to noticably break i guess, and there was no ptr |
| 03:13.39 | Mr_Rabies | zg and aq40 had their share of bugs too, if i recall |
| 03:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | but i don't much remember many from mc other than weird trash pull stuff |
| 03:14.00 | Mr_Rabies | like pulling one mob and having half the instance bum rush you suddenly |
| 03:14.14 | Gethe_ | lol |
| 03:14.38 | tuller | I do hope for premade 60s so that I can verify all the various class features |
| 03:16.05 | Mr_Rabies | i can't wait to verify that i should just just played a rogue in vanilla again |
| 03:16.16 | Mr_Rabies | instead of getting in my stupid brain that feral was viable |
| 03:16.22 | Mr_Rabies | then again it's starting at 1.12 |
| 03:16.38 | Mr_Rabies | feral was a lot more viable at that point, but mostly because loot got a bit better for them |
| 03:24.14 | Mr_Rabies | also, who is up for doing a shot-by-shot hd remake of the entire roguecraft film series? |
| 03:25.21 | Mr_Rabies | well, actually, looks like Mute popped back up recently, so maybe he will :v |
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| 05:11.32 | Mr_Rabies | i juuuuuust replaced the gun sounds with the old ones and i can't beleive how much better they are |
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