| 00:00.05 | Semlar | well there aren't any players in my rfc |
| 00:01.32 | nevcairiel | your pet might get one if you turn it on in Names -> Friendly Players -> Minions |
| 00:02.55 | Semlar | i'm not that kind of hunter |
| 00:03.00 | Semlar | i think |
| 00:03.03 | Semlar | i can't tell |
| 00:03.08 | nevcairiel | every hunter can have pets =p |
| 00:03.13 | Semlar | that doesn't sound right |
| 00:03.30 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> beast master ð® |
| 00:03.43 | Semlar | i'm actually pretty sure your own pet can't have a nameplate |
| 00:03.56 | Semlar | if i remember correctly |
| 00:05.19 | nevcairiel | you dont |
| 00:05.32 | Semlar | prove it |
| 00:05.34 | nevcairiel | my hunter has two pets right now, and they have both n ameplates |
| 00:06.12 | nevcairiel | i'm in the garrison, which counts as an instance, and they look rather default-y |
| 00:06.19 | nevcairiel | but i dont know if Kui doesnt even try |
| 00:06.44 | Semlar | alright it does have a nameplate now |
| 00:06.50 | Semlar | i'm like 99% sure it didn't used to |
| 00:07.35 | Semlar | you could see other player's pets but not yours |
| 00:09.56 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Semlar what server are you on? |
| 00:10.02 | Semlar | i have no idea |
| 00:10.10 | Semlar | the second one? |
| 00:10.27 | Semlar | can i even check without logging out |
| 00:10.30 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> add Azilroka#1448 I'll jump in an instance with you |
| 00:11.36 | Semlar | well i don't see friendly nameplates |
| 00:11.54 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> yea I'm seeing the protected plate |
| 00:12.04 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.55 | Semlar | i'm trying to figure out if i can fix crosshairs |
| 00:13.15 | Semlar | it doesn't seem to want to anchor to it with the way i have it set up |
| 00:13.22 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> that sucks it's still protected |
| 00:13.37 | Stanzilla | they forgot GetBoundsRect |
| 00:13.40 | Stanzilla | but probably just an oversight |
| 00:13.48 | Semlar | getboundsrekt |
| 00:14.15 | Stanzilla | you are not the first one to do that joke today :D |
| 00:14.55 | Semlar | are you trying to say i'm not original |
| 00:15.29 | Stanzilla | I would never |
| 00:15.41 | Semlar | good |
| 00:16.58 | Simca_ | semlar is the most original person i know named semlar |
| 00:18.30 | Semlar | fix my addon for me |
| 00:21.11 | Semlar | oh i fixed it |
| 00:21.12 | Semlar | thanks |
| 00:21.21 | Simca_ | i do what i can |
| 00:21.44 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:22.08 | Semlar | it looks a lot worse when i can't align it to a pixel boundary |
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| 00:32.16 | Semlar | did they add anything to help with pixel perfect lines? |
| 00:32.59 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> I doubt it |
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| 00:35.04 | Semlar | alright, well if you don't call ClearAllPoints() on your frame before trying to anchor it to the unanchorable frame it just silently fails to anchor to it |
| 00:35.26 | Semlar | even when you only have one point set and you're overwriting that point with the new frame |
| 00:42.46 | Simca_ | i bet that's what threatplates is doing |
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| 00:43.51 | Cairenn | @all - Please contact me if you are doing addons for Classic WoW - compilations don't count, as always |
| 00:48.46 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Are addon's enabled on Classic, yet? That's why I been hesitant to ask.. I been wanting to get on to test to see what's broken in oUF, ElvUI and Tukui. I'd have to message you on WoWI because of the discord bridge. |
| 00:49.05 | EsreverWoW | They are. |
| 00:49.18 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Oh nice |
| 00:50.30 | EsreverWoW | I got ShestakUI running (as far as I had the opportunity to test prior to launch). Though I am sure there are plenty of issues left, it wasn't too bad. |
| 00:50.47 | EsreverWoW | Uses a lot of the same guts. |
| 00:51.34 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Shouldn't be too bad. |
| 00:54.47 | EsreverWoW | Main things will be in relation to threat events/functions (there are none), reimplementing cast bars for non-player targets with CLEU since there is no UnitPlayerCasting or related anymore, getting a Pet Happiness module in, and making sure there's nothing focus unit/frame related. Probably a few minor things with combo points. Have to rely on HealComm4 or similar for predictive heals and that sort of thing. |
| 00:55.46 | EsreverWoW | But most of oUF works, including nameplates. Can make most of the changes in your layout without modifying oUF itself. |
| 00:56.48 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Hmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:10.14 | Elmoe | Anyone know if there is some kind of list to get on for add-on devs for the beta? Like what WoWUI has done for past retail betas |
| 01:10.49 | nebula | Elmoe: tickle Cairenn and she'll put you on a list |
| 01:11.17 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> I don't know if she likes being tickled |
| 01:11.22 | Elmoe | hah |
| 01:11.28 | nebula | i didn't say what list |
| 01:11.41 | nebula | but yea, pm her :p |
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| 06:05.38 | Alram | Simca_: @marlamin won't highlight me here but the slugs are _classic_ and _classic_beta_ by default but can theoretically be anything |
| 06:05.59 | Simca_ | gotcha |
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| 08:35.05 | Andols | Is player locations in instances also blocked in classic? |
| 08:35.58 | nevcairiel | I would assume so. In general I wouldnt expect any limitations to be relaxed |
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| 11:46.46 | Chipzz | but... but... #NOCHANGES! :p |
| 12:10.19 | Andols | Let's re-enable AVR then ;) |
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| 15:48.26 | TSquare | Good Morning |
| 15:48.44 | TSquare | I see the new anchor restriction made it to PTR. |
| 15:49.06 | TSquare | I wanted to discuss this, but I thought it better to wait until it was up on PTR so that you can play with it |
| 15:49.29 | TSquare | It is a new system, but I think it might allow us to lift the restriction on friendly nameplates |
| 15:50.10 | nevcairiel | That would probably make some people happy |
| 15:50.12 | TSquare | The general concept is to create an anchor "family" and restrict anchoring to only those in the family |
| 15:51.03 | TSquare | there were some behaviors with nameplates that were making us discuss shutting down nameplate addons |
| 15:51.19 | TukuiDevs | <Merathilis> Thanks to the russian? ð |
| 15:51.32 | TSquare | we are trying to see if this new system will help |
| 15:51.58 | TSquare | @Merathilis I don't know about russians specifically |
| 15:52.31 | TSquare | @Merathilis I'm pretty sure it's wider spread than just one country |
| 15:52.45 | Stanzilla | TSquare: you probably already know but you forgot about GetBoundsRect |
| 15:52.58 | TSquare | yea, I read that in the IRC |
| 15:53.01 | Stanzilla | <3 |
| 15:53.01 | TSquare | thanks for catching that |
| 15:53.14 | TSquare | This is specifically what I wanted to discuss |
| 15:53.31 | TSquare | If those who are interested could find any holes before we ship that would be awesome |
| 15:53.44 | Stanzilla | it looks like a very surgical change to just break those line auras/addons that came up |
| 15:53.46 | nevcairiel | we should unleash the foxlit on it |
| 15:53.47 | Stanzilla | pretty good imo |
| 15:54.10 | Stanzilla | not the usual sledgehammer method :D |
| 15:54.35 | TSquare | we ran into *several* problems that caused us to re-architect it over the past month or so |
| 15:54.51 | TSquare | so we are really worried that we missed something |
| 15:55.18 | TukuiDevs | <Merathilis> There where some rumors that the protection to the Friendly Nameplates and Chat Bubbles in Raid/Instances/Garrisons where the result some guilds (especially a big russian guild) are using AddOns for there advantages. |
| 15:55.33 | TSquare | @Stanzilla our hope is that we won't have to resort to the sledgehammer :P |
| 15:56.46 | Stanzilla | ;D |
| 15:56.50 | Alram | i'd like to see you try, i gave the sledgehammer to fisker to hide |
| 15:57.30 | Stanzilla | unprotecting friendly nameplates would be lovely |
| 15:57.34 | TSquare | oh, I have a room full of sledgehammers :) |
| 15:57.40 | Alram | dammit. |
| 15:57.45 | TukuiDevs | <Merathilis> Atleast allow to skin them ð |
| 15:57.55 | TSquare | The room is called "This is why you can't have nice things" :P |
| 15:58.26 | Alram | is that the room with wall walking, gm island and unobfuscated clients? |
| 15:58.45 | TSquare | it's the room filled with crying addon authors |
| 15:58.53 | TukuiDevs | <Merathilis> lul |
| 15:58.53 | Alram | oh |
| 15:58.53 | TSquare | :D |
| 15:58.59 | Alram | well dont forget to feed them every once in a while :( |
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| 16:20.49 | Semlar | TSquare: can you describe some of the behavior you're trying to prevent with the new anchoring system? |
| 16:21.32 | Semlar | it would help us judge whether it's something that's still possible |
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| 16:28.54 | TSquare | I think the main behavior is "lines" |
| 16:29.03 | TSquare | ie; giving directional information |
| 16:30.00 | TSquare | I'm curious about the crosshair addon. What is that trying to do? |
| 16:30.20 | Semlar | make my target stand out |
| 16:32.03 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.51 | TSquare | so you can do this with the new system? |
| 16:33.09 | Semlar | not the movement |
| 16:33.16 | Semlar | only the crosshairs on the nameplate |
| 16:33.48 | TSquare | you are doing this by making large texures that just anchor on the cardinal points? |
| 16:33.57 | Semlar | yep |
| 16:34.32 | Semlar | they're just long textures attached to the nameplate |
| 16:34.36 | TSquare | I think that should be fine |
| 16:34.52 | TSquare | since you aren't getting "relational" direction |
| 16:35.09 | TSquare | we were thinking about similar things |
| 16:35.32 | TSquare | but they were about anchoring to the bottomcenter |
| 16:35.50 | TSquare | so that you could draw a line from your character to a mob |
| 16:36.24 | TSquare | yours is (in essence) just a way to emphasize the target frame |
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| 16:39.32 | Semlar | you don't want people doing this https://gfycat.com/glumunawareindianelephant |
| 16:39.44 | TSquare | correct |
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| 17:48.44 | Justwait | If anyone wants to help me with seeing if we can keep NameplateSCT alive that´d be cool |
| 17:48.58 | Justwait | I´m not great with textures, animations and nameplates <_< |
| 17:49.23 | Justwait | I´m afraid it wont be as it used to be though ;( |
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| 17:53.40 | Semlar | eheheh |
| 17:54.22 | Semlar | TSquare: https://gfycat.com/composedwidebabirusa |
| 17:54.47 | Vardex[m] | shhhhh delete that |
| 17:54.57 | Justwait | haha |
| 17:55.38 | nevcairiel | we want stuff fixed now rather then have them hotfix the sledgehammer later |
| 18:01.07 | Funkeh` | did you really have to use the mushroom to draw the line |
| 18:01.17 | Semlar | i don't understand the question |
| 18:04.44 | TSquare | Thanks Semlar: do you have code that shows how you did that? |
| 18:06.40 | Semlar | i'll trade it for one classic beta invite |
| 18:07.07 | Justwait | lol |
| 18:21.34 | TSquare | Sorry, I don't have any invites to give |
| 18:22.06 | Semlar | well, i tried |
| 18:25.31 | TSquare | Thanks Semlar |
| 18:25.36 | Kalroth | geez, another classic beta? the last one was in 2004 |
| 18:26.18 | TSquare | FYI: if you havn't seen, Cairenn is asking for people who are planning on working on addons for Classic |
| 18:33.27 | Semlar | so you're saying i'm trying to bribe the wrong person |
| 18:35.31 | Vardex[m] | You have already lost your bargaining chip need to find a new way to draw line |
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| 18:37.41 | Semlar | but where do i draw the line |
| 18:39.21 | Alram | from the center of the screen to a nameplate |
| 18:43.12 | Semlar | https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info24779-weizPVP.html i see someone really liked my crosshair addon, i'm flattered |
| 18:49.30 | Stanzilla | Semlar: did you use GetBoundsRect? |
| 18:49.34 | Semlar | no |
| 18:50.01 | Stanzilla | what else then? |
| 18:55.38 | Justwait | anyone able to explain to me |
| 18:55.45 | Justwait | why my ragebar is on a different nameplate than my target |
| 18:55.51 | Justwait | with standard blizz frame lol |
| 18:56.10 | Justwait | https://streamable.com/94y84 |
| 18:56.12 | Justwait | D: |
| 18:56.59 | Semlar | i sent it to TSquare but i'm not sure if they care if i post how to do it here |
| 18:57.32 | Vardex[m] | I can confirm that GetBoundsRect works to make line |
| 19:08.56 | Justwait | https://pastebin.com/raw/awSTCjig |
| 19:09.05 | Justwait | :( |
| 19:09.17 | TukuiDevs | <Merathilis> rip |
| 19:09.39 | Justwait | anyone else getting them when enavling Show special resources on targets under Interface > Names? |
| 19:09.44 | Justwait | enabling* |
| 19:20.08 | Vardex[m] | https://gfycat.com/kaleidoscopicfriendlybear |
| 19:27.11 | nevcairiel | already reported that function earlier |
| 19:54.28 | foxlit | a cautionary tale of how I clobbered some data: io.open(path, "w"):write(require("serializer")(stuff)) |
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| 21:32.01 | Semlar | why did you clobber your data foxlit |
| 21:33.12 | nevcairiel | sometimes its just clobbering time |
| 22:13.21 | foxlit | I failed to re-install the serializer library, so that require threw an error just late enough to replace path with an empty file. |
| 22:14.44 | nevcairiel | well you wanted to write to file anyway, so one might assume its content was not important at that point |
| 22:15.58 | foxlit | the exact flow was "1. Read that file. 2. Update the data in memory. 3. Write updated data back to the same file." |
| 22:16.30 | nevcairiel | well that might then be a problem! |
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| 22:20.59 | nevcairiel | gah the new ItemButton intrinsic isnt in classic yet |
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| 22:40.51 | Stanzilla | TSquare: https://i.imgur.com/LTdr9fi.png does this crash mean anything to you? |
| 22:46.50 | Crosshash | Can you reproduce it? |
| 22:47.06 | Stanzilla | Crosshash: yes but not in a minimal example sadly |
| 22:47.18 | Stanzilla | it happens when someone with tons of WeakAuras opens the options menu |
| 22:47.35 | Stanzilla | thinking maybe too many textures that get loaded? |
| 22:48.26 | VIad | I fear classic will reduce the nameplate range to 10yd and we will be back in the dark ages where nameplates were not used in vanilla because they were useless :P |
| 22:48.48 | Stanzilla | VIad: https://i.imgur.com/P2gPJB1.jpg |
| 22:49.24 | Crosshash | Is it 100% in the case of tons of WeakAuras? |
| 22:49.24 | VIad | inb4 they change the nameplates to better represent vanilla, that range is too far :p |
| 22:49.33 | Stanzilla | Crosshash: yes |
| 22:49.51 | Stanzilla | you could provide you with a set of SVs if that helps |
| 22:51.48 | Stanzilla | *I could |
| 22:51.50 | Crosshash | SVs? |
| 22:52.06 | Stanzilla | savedvariables |
| 22:52.23 | nevcairiel | the nameplate range definitely feels low in classic |
| 22:52.53 | VIad | I remember as a hunter when I went in melee range basically the nameplates covered the 800x600 screen and werent helpful :D |
| 22:52.59 | Crosshash | Yeah, that might work. |
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| 22:55.35 | nevcairiel | VIad: https://imgur.com/a/zq1EqON not sure if there are cvars to increase it :D |
| 22:55.58 | Stanzilla | Crosshash: PM'd you |
| 22:56.27 | VIad | maybe if blizz dont nerf it back to legit vanilla state that is, but a lot of the benefits from the nameplate revamp is a thing in the client so far blizz lets it stay :P |
| 22:56.50 | VIad | just having GUID as a thing is something you didn't in vanilla so detecting specific mobs is doable in the current client |
| 22:57.16 | VIad | remember back when combat log was text printed in the chat you had no idea what mob you did attack, just that you did attack something by that name :D |
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| 23:40.35 | Stanzilla | VIad: those are the values https://i.imgur.com/l3voKKe.jpg |
| 23:41.18 | VIad | will be interesting to see if they stay like that tho, or if blizz will do more tuning for the authentic vanilla feel |
| 23:41.42 | VIad | all those could end up read only and hardcoded to maximum vanilla experience :p |
