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| 17:33.05 | znf | [19:32:44] Dungeon Difficulty set to Event. |
| 17:33.09 | znf | first time I notice this |
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| 19:01.00 | Gnarfoz | Dungeon Difficulty set to Elite. <-- that was fun back then |
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| 21:23.11 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.45 | nevcairiel | that would appear to be what the text on the button suggests it would do |
| 21:26.55 | foxlit | Yes, but the mental checklist is: "checkboxes? unchecked. Submit button? Orange. Click!" -> "Fuck." |
| 21:27.37 | nevcairiel | i like how they made an animation to really emphasize that last step in your mental flow |
| 21:31.44 | foxlit | "Confirm, but don't select all" button is like miles away from where you'd expect it to be. |
| 21:32.11 | nevcairiel | I have seen that on various websites lately, where all the opt-out options are really quite well hidden |
| 21:46.13 | foxlit | for extra fun, "Select all and confirm" changes to "Confirm" if you check and then uncheck a box. |
| 21:46.27 | nevcairiel | does it also stop doing its evil |
| 21:46.55 | foxlit | who knows what it does, really. It stops playing the nice check-everything animation, though. |
| 21:53.03 | foxlit | honestly, should just legislate a browser-managed consent UI for websites. |
| 21:55.10 | foxlit | "If the browser implements this webConsentAPI, you *must* use it to ask for consent or pay us all of your money." -> and then have the browser implement default consent settings + a toolbar button to modify them per-website. |
| 22:12.20 | Semlar | â |
| 22:14.50 | Semlar | foxlit: what's the difference between "comfort settings" and "personalization" |
| 22:17.09 | Semlar | and why would your settings be tracked through cookies separate from the ones "necessary to run this website" |
| 22:17.35 | foxlit | mabe you'd like to register your preference for personalized discomfort. |
| 22:17.44 | Semlar | ah good point |
| 22:18.17 | Semlar | i hadn't thought of the potential for personalization settings to make the user experience worse |
| 22:20.29 | foxlit | (I assume the necessary/tracking split is a legal one: if you do use the cookies you claim to be strictly necessary for your website to personally track your users, you will eventually be fined.) |
| 22:27.19 | Semlar | they're almost certainly tracking all of these or wouldn't feel the need to ask you to "opt in" to them |
| 22:28.04 | Semlar | and it seems like that could be simplified to one option |
| 22:28.46 | Semlar | i don't understand how your settings on a website could be considered anything other than part of its normal operation |
| 22:29.57 | foxlit | It's okay, we legislated consent for those things too. |
| 22:30.09 | foxlit | "The ePrivacy directive â more specifically Article 5(3) â requires prior informed consent for storage or for access to information stored on a user's terminal equipment. In other words, you must ask users if they agree to most cookies and similar technologies (e.g. web beacons, Flash cookies, etc.) before the site starts to use them." |
| 22:33.05 | foxlit | (there are exceptions, but mostly for short-lived things -- you wouldn't want to reset user "preferences" on each visit) |
| 22:33.53 | Semlar | surely they can't require consent to keep track of which view the user was looking at the last time they were using your web app so it can resume from that state |
| 22:34.27 | foxlit | across a closed browser window? Sure you can. |
| 22:34.37 | foxlit | s/you/they/ |
| 22:34.40 | Semlar | local storage that never even leaves their machine? |
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| 22:35.57 | foxlit | sounds like you need "consent for storage" to me. |
| 22:43.53 | Gnarfoz | (also, fuck "web apps") |
| 22:44.32 | Semlar | oh you better get used to them because that's where we're headed |
| 22:44.33 | foxlit | (there's no exception for "nice to have website features which require us to store information outside the equivalent of browser session cookies", so you really should ask, which is why the "user preferences" checkbox is usually separate from "personalization/advertising" checkbox in reasonable consent forms. Using those preferences for advertising would be a violation of those directives, since you did not obtain consent to use those features for that purpose |
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| 22:49.29 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:00.07 | foxlit | I wonder if curseforge localization thing will happily import the same phrase into multiple namespaces |
| 23:01.11 | nevcairiel | i dont see why not |
| 23:01.17 | foxlit | that's... unfortunate. |
| 23:02.00 | nevcairiel | anything else would be rather confusing for users |
| 23:02.32 | foxlit | I kind of painted myself into a corner where the thing I use to generate localization phrases produces a single list for the entire addon, but I actually want to split the thing into multiple localization files based on namespace. |
| 23:02.53 | nevcairiel | but your script has no clue about those? |
| 23:04.09 | foxlit | exporting is fine, I can limit that by namespace. It's the code-to-curseforge import that doesn't distinguish what should go where. |
| 23:08.01 | foxlit | so it'd be helpful to have a "if this phrase is already defined anywhere, please don't create another copy" checkbox on import. |
| 23:08.50 | nevcairiel | i can see how this might prevent duplicates from being created, but if you add any new phrases, wouldnt they end up in the first namespace or wherever, and not the one you might actually want them in? |
| 23:09.35 | foxlit | Yes, I'd essentially have to go through and check that anything newly created is in the right place. |
| 23:10.36 | nevcairiel | I would suggest revisiting the code that tries to automate that process and actually making it automatic :) |
| 23:10.58 | nevcairiel | if you have to manually fix new phrases anyway, you might as well manually import them |
| 23:11.14 | foxlit | Can't remember what's new, though. |
| 23:11.51 | nevcairiel | the tool that you use to upload now could tell you by cross-checking with the stuff that exists, or something! |
| 23:12.21 | nevcairiel | of course if you make the tool smart enough to figure out w hats new, it could only upload that |
| 23:12.25 | foxlit | the tool I'm using now doesn't really understand that previous versions exist :) |
| 23:14.17 | nevcairiel | in any case the chances of getting such a option implemented in curseforge seem low to nil, so working on your own tooling is a better chance :) |
| 23:27.50 | foxlit | clearly the secret to happiness is to re-implement the entirety of curseforge, with blackjack and stuff. |