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| 01:42.18 | Guill | waves |
| 01:43.46 | Guill | I'm probably not going to be able to make it to see anyone at BlizzCon this year, but I still miss you all <3 |
| 01:43.51 | Cairenn | Hey Guill |
| 01:43.57 | Cairenn | Awwww :( |
| 01:50.06 | Cairenn | We'll miss seeing you! Hope you are doing well? |
| 01:54.30 | Guill | Dealing with some health issues, but things seem to be getting better :) |
| 01:55.47 | Cairenn | Sorry to hear that, glad you are starting to get better! |
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| 02:18.09 | znf | oh hey, it's the previous guy we used to abuse here! |
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| 03:27.16 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/a7180zl8.jpg << This horse seems defective. |
| 03:27.36 | Torhal | Merely drunk. |
| 03:33.28 | foxlit | Based on the angle, I keep thinking it should fall over, but alas, it continues to defy gravity. |
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| 05:42.57 | Mr_Rabies | when did todd howard join blizzard, foxlit? |
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| 07:40.22 | emdub | hey all -- i have an idea for an addon, wondering if anyone might have some thoughts on how hard/easy it would be to do |
| 07:41.27 | emdub | i'd like to get item tooltips for items from m+10 that show the actual tooltip, not just the 340 version |
| 07:42.35 | emdub | right now in the adventure journal you can only select normal/heroic/mythic dungeon to scale the loot, i'd like another button to select the item level and have the items in the journal loot pane change to say 370, so i can more easily compare |
| 07:43.37 | emdub | i know how to generate the item strings, but it's not really clear to me how to "intercept" the loot journal when it's showing and change the item links (if that's even possible) |
| 07:49.36 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not an addon developer, but as a suggestion until someone that knows what they're talking about shows up to help you - you could check out the bonusrollpreview addon, it pulls stuff from the dungeon journal, specifically the loot section |
| 07:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | and see how they do it |
| 07:50.13 | emdub | ah, hadn't heard of that before, will check it out... thanks! |
| 07:50.17 | Mr_Rabies | not sure if it's even applicable to your proposed addon but can't hurt to look at it :p |
| 07:50.23 | emdub | yeah totally |
| 07:50.45 | emdub | was also poking through CanIMogIt which adds icons to the tooltips, to see if that was useful at all |
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| 11:02.44 | Chipzz | emdub: tried GameTooltip:SetHyperlink() ? |
| 11:13.39 | emdub | Chipzz: i have not, that sounds like what i need for making the tooltips, though i am not sure how to capture/modify the journal loot entries |
| 11:14.19 | emdub | i have been poking around at the Blizzard_EncounterJournal lua stuff trying to wrap my head around it |
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| 17:04.43 | Cairenn | If you are joining us for dinner at BC, I need a response for one aspect from you, please. https://bit.ly/2D8C1uq |
| 17:05.10 | Fisker | one aspect? |
| 17:05.26 | Cairenn | the bowling |
| 17:16.10 | jleclanche | Cairenn: is the blizzcon hearthsim hangout still in use? I cant find the link to it |
| 17:17.46 | Fisker | hangout lol |
| 17:17.49 | Fisker | Allo group this year! |
| 17:17.57 | Cairenn | no idea |
| 17:18.08 | Fisker | you left it |
| 17:18.57 | Fisker | Hope I didn't ping everyone with my humongous fingers there |
| 17:19.47 | jleclanche | Fisker Cairenn, what's the primary organizing medium for bc this year then? |
| 17:19.58 | Cairenn | no idea :p |
| 17:20.07 | jleclanche | pls |
| 17:20.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:20.11 | Fisker | I invited you again to the old chat |
| 17:20.18 | Fisker | But I still think Allo is 10/10 |
| 17:20.31 | Fisker | All the gifs and memes I can post |
| 17:20.48 | jleclanche | theres a wowi discord hint hint >.> |
| 17:22.08 | Fisker | What's with the hate for Allo? |
| 17:24.50 | jleclanche | Cairenn: I might try to bowl and blame blizzard for any mistakes i make. Is there still time to bring a +1? |
| 17:25.44 | Cairenn | no |
| 17:25.52 | Cairenn | errr, no, it isn't too late |
| 17:25.53 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 17:26.18 | Cairenn | so +1 for dinner and bowling? |
| 17:27.06 | jleclanche | Cairenn: I'm confirming it but yes most likely both |
| 17:27.14 | Cairenn | okay, lemme know |
| 17:27.32 | jleclanche | Cairenn: says 9pm, is that "9pm but we're all meeting 2 hours earlier" or "we gather at 9"? |
| 17:27.43 | jleclanche | Im used to the first one from previous years :D |
| 17:27.44 | Cairenn | 9 pm at the restaurant |
| 17:27.48 | jleclanche | aight |
| 17:28.01 | Cairenn | but yeah, we usually all meet up before hand ;p |
| 17:28.11 | Cairenn | just need folks to be at the restaurant by 9 |
| 17:29.10 | jleclanche | Cairenn: where we meeting? |
| 17:29.26 | Cairenn | I don't know! :p |
| 17:29.30 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:29.35 | Fisker | btw does the route even work? I thought there was a road on that side of the park? |
| 17:29.38 | jleclanche | ð I'll be there! |
| 17:29.54 | Cairenn | there is, that's the road we walk down |
| 17:30.17 | Cairenn | walk down that road, enter at that side of the park |
| 17:30.30 | Fisker | I am suspicious of that claim |
| 17:30.45 | Cairenn | rather than walking the other way and having to walk all the way through the park with its crowds |
| 17:31.10 | Cairenn | my god you guys are being a pima ;p |
| 17:31.21 | Cairenn | <3 |
| 17:32.06 | Fisker | I don't see a way in |
| 17:32.13 | znf | hey Fisker |
| 17:32.14 | znf | take me with you |
| 17:32.23 | Fisker | Sure |
| 17:32.25 | Cairenn | offs, we've gone that way before, it's fine |
| 17:32.30 | Cairenn | sheesh |
| 17:32.33 | Fisker | I haven't :( |
| 17:33.05 | jleclanche | Cairenn: Being a pita is just a hobby for me, but I'm thinking of turning it into a career |
| 17:33.23 | Cairenn | you should, you're bloody good at it ;p |
| 17:34.01 | Cairenn | You owe me your hat for the duration of BC to make up for it! |
| 17:35.11 | jleclanche | Deal |
| 17:35.17 | Cairenn | ! |
| 17:35.30 | Cairenn | Usually I have to steal it! |
| 17:36.09 | jleclanche | I always make a fake copy and keep the original hidden away |
| 17:36.14 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 17:36.21 | Fisker | That's what I do with my passport |
| 17:36.39 | jleclanche | fun fact Fisker |
| 17:36.46 | jleclanche | I would wait until you're past customs to make joke |
| 17:36.52 | Fisker | Doesn't matter |
| 17:37.10 | Fisker | I'm already flagged with all the satirical shows I watch on youtube |
| 17:37.19 | Cairenn | heh |
| 17:37.20 | Fisker | That's why I was stuck in a small room last year |
| 17:37.41 | Mr_Rabies | what if you guys all accidentally bought tickets to blizzcorn and it's just a cornfield |
| 17:37.52 | Cairenn | hugs her Nexus card |
| 17:38.11 | Cairenn | Mr_Rabies: lol |
| 17:39.05 | Mr_Rabies | i would probably go to something called Dragon Corn just to see what it was |
| 17:39.16 | jleclanche | when's everyone leaving btw? I intend to spend a little more time in CA |
| 17:39.19 | Fisker | What's a nexus card Cairenn ? |
| 17:39.23 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 17:39.23 | Fisker | Wednesday |
| 17:39.36 | Fisker | Might actually arrive at my hotel wednesday too if I'm lucky |
| 17:39.49 | jleclanche | anything still going on on the 4th/5th? |
| 17:40.06 | Cairenn | I'm flying in on Wed and out on Mon, but I am crashing on Kaelten's couch for the extra nights |
| 17:40.28 | Cairenn | Some folks are talking about Disney on Sunday, as frequently happens |
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| 17:41.18 | Cairenn | Fisker: trusted traveller card, less hassle crossing the border |
| 17:41.26 | Fisker | oh |
| 17:42.39 | jleclanche | disney on sunday sounds fun! Who's organizing? |
| 17:42.46 | Fisker | Last year was the first time I didn't bother to bring my Visa Waiver documentation |
| 17:43.00 | Fisker | Because each time I have it out they're like "lol why did you bring that?" |
| 17:43.15 | Cairenn | jleclanche: no one specifically organizing, it'll get sorted out when we're there |
| 17:43.22 | jleclanche | aight |
| 17:43.26 | Fisker | Last year: "It says here you're not in ESTA, do you have the papers" |
| 17:43.28 | Fisker | rip |
| 17:43.30 | Cairenn | typically meet up ~10am |
| 17:43.52 | Cairenn | over near the arena section of the convention center |
| 17:54.05 | pompy | if you didn't get the email... they added metal detectors before entering the conv center floor |
| 17:55.45 | Funkeh` | were you planning on showing people your coin collection pompy |
| 17:55.47 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 17:59.26 | Fisker | They're gonna see my computer collection |
| 18:01.23 | Fisker | probably for the best, better not have some manbaby shoot up a convention anyway |
| 18:01.52 | Cairenn | Well, it actually probably is because of the con that did get shot up :( |
| 18:02.29 | Fisker | the synagogue |
| 18:02.31 | Fisker | ? |
| 18:02.46 | Cairenn | no, the con earlier this year |
| 18:03.10 | Fisker | oh |
| 18:03.17 | Cairenn | https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/26/us/jacksonville-madden-shooting/index.html |
| 18:03.19 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:03.46 | Fisker | As I understood he was mad that he lost right? |
| 18:03.52 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 18:04.11 | Fisker | at Blizzcon everyone is a winner though \o/ |
| 18:04.20 | Fisker | Except the crew that's on Blizzcon duty |
| 18:04.23 | Fisker | :D |
| 18:04.41 | Cairenn | but it made the rest of the gaming companies aware that even there we aren't safe |
| 18:04.53 | Cairenn | tbh, I'm surprised it took that long |
| 18:04.59 | Fisker | Yeah |
| 18:05.03 | Fisker | me too |
| 18:05.13 | Fisker | gaming is filled with self-entitlement |
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| 18:05.18 | Cairenn | sad, but not surprised |
| 18:05.27 | Cairenn | just surprised it hadn't happened sooner |
| 18:05.35 | Cairenn | ya think? |
| 18:05.53 | Thunder_Child | So the time to get inside just doubled? |
| 18:06.05 | Cairenn | at least |
| 18:06.30 | Cairenn | if not tripled |
| 18:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | i mean it's the same as any other grouping of people, unfortunately there's unchecked mental illness everywhere |
| 18:07.18 | Cairenn | omfg, please don't do that! |
| 18:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | metal detectors are security theater, nothing else |
| 18:07.51 | Cairenn | way to perpetuate the fallacy that mass shooters are all mentally ill |
| 18:07.59 | Mr_Rabies | if some person with violence on the mind wants to do something, they will |
| 18:08.06 | Mr_Rabies | most of them are, absolutely, Cairenn |
| 18:08.19 | Cairenn | >< |
| 18:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | the one exception would probably be accomplices, like dylan klebold |
| 18:09.50 | Cairenn | offs |
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| 18:09.57 | Mr_Rabies | who simply had very bad judgement |
| 18:10.06 | nevcairiel | for someone to do something like that, there has to be something seriously wrong with them. if you want to call that illness or whatever, "mental illness" is a very flexible definition |
| 18:11.28 | Mr_Rabies | is she really throwing a fit because someone had the incredibly bold claim that maybe most of these people wouldn't have done what they did if they were properly cared for mentally? |
| 18:11.49 | Mr_Rabies | she should probably just entirely ban discussion of anything politics-adjacent in here if that's gonna happen |
| 18:12.43 | Mr_Rabies | i try to stay out of political discussions in here bcause i know my opinions aren't allowed in here, but i don't really think this stance is at all controversial |
| 18:13.19 | nevcairiel | the problem is of course that many people dont view mental illness as just being sick, but as a direct insult against them, and as such would never actually accept treatment |
| 18:13.26 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not saying "mentally ill people are dangerous", that's a fallacy |
| 18:13.37 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying "dangerous people are mostly mentally ill" |
| 18:14.06 | Fisker | That's not true though |
| 18:14.33 | Fisker | You're just spouting the same NRA nonsense that keeps guns on the table in the US |
| 18:15.02 | Fisker | It's not a scientific fact you're pulling but a political opinion |
| 18:15.20 | Mr_Rabies | i can't tell if you're being facetious or not fisker :( |
| 18:16.27 | Fisker | Part of most criminal proceedings in this country, and hopefully around the world, includes a psych evaluation in order to determine if the person should be incarcerated or treated for mental illness |
| 18:16.35 | Fisker | most of these evaluations turn up negative |
| 18:16.42 | Fisker | i.e. the person is not mentally ill |
| 18:16.50 | Fisker | just a fucking vile and repulsive person |
| 18:17.50 | nevcairiel | thats often just a matter of defintion of mental illness |
| 18:18.09 | Mr_Rabies | someone who is otherwise fine can definitely have a moment where something temporarily snaps, and i almost guarantee this is where some of that comes from |
| 18:18.24 | Mr_Rabies | i had a day where i was super stressed because i kept getting to work late |
| 18:18.32 | Fisker | Having something temporarily snap does not make you mentally ill |
| 18:18.37 | Mr_Rabies | and you know what i did? i drove 95 miles per hour to work |
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| 18:19.15 | Mr_Rabies | i 100% believe until i calmed down that on that day i was absolutely mentally ill |
| 18:19.28 | Mr_Rabies | during that brief period i would have been admissable |
| 18:19.43 | Fisker | Trying to escape responsibility for ones own actions is not a mental illness lol |
| 18:19.53 | Mr_Rabies | because i was willing to endanger myself and others because i was late to work |
| 18:20.03 | Mr_Rabies | i genuintely did not care if i died or killed someone that morning |
| 18:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | once i calmed down and let normal though processes back in that was obviously incredibly stupid and dangerous |
| 18:21.33 | Mr_Rabies | many of these people have similar moments where they snap, their empathy and sympathy turn completely off, and they do whatever feels good |
| 18:22.09 | Fisker | objection, speculation |
| 18:22.49 | Mr_Rabies | once it's all over many of them 100% regret everything that happened in that period in time, and the rest are genuinely narcissistic, sociopathic people that simply labeling them mentally ill will not please the families or the court of public opinion |
| 18:22.59 | Mr_Rabies | it's better to say they're sane so you don't feel bad locking them up for the rest of their life |
| 18:24.13 | Fisker | It's cute that you try to prove your political opinion with a sweet little anecdote, but it doesn't really hold up any further than that |
| 18:24.16 | Mr_Rabies | realistically the prison system is full of hundreds of thousands or more of people who, if they had a fair evaluation, would be declared mentally ill |
| 18:24.40 | Fisker | citation needed |
| 18:25.46 | Fisker | Also "mentally ill" would usually be the preferable outcome for anyone here, sentence-wise |
| 18:25.52 | Mr_Rabies | http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/evidence-and-research/studies take your pick |
| 18:25.59 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/GXUa7Lp.png |
| 18:26.02 | Fisker | For the victims obviously |
| 18:26.04 | znf | would be helpful if I knew WHICH app crashed |
| 18:26.06 | znf | because my game is running |
| 18:26.47 | Fisker | nah Mr_Rabies, your claim, you do the legwork and find the "pick" that proves your anecdotal bullshit |
| 18:27.32 | Mr_Rabies | i'm going to go to the store and get some stuff for my car instead, but feel free to get informed |
| 18:27.41 | Fisker | uhuh |
| 18:27.48 | Fisker | bye o/ |
| 18:28.05 | Mr_Rabies | the lack of diagnosis on the mentally ill is a symptom of america's bloodlust for criminals |
| 18:28.57 | Mr_Rabies | these people are declared perfectly fine because you feel better killing or caging a perfectly healthy person who is "just bad" |
| 18:29.23 | nevcairiel | Fisker is just hung up on some legal/political nonsense instead of common sense. No sane person would go shoot up some convention, therefor, they must be insane, temporarily or whatever, and of course they need to be locked up. but after the fact thats always easy. But the real question is, could it have been prevented with psych help beforehand? Perhaps it could, but many of those people would likely never accept help. |
| 18:29.24 | Fisker | Weren't you going to the store? |
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| 18:30.42 | Fisker | sane people do a lot of bad stuff nevcairiel, you're putting humanity on quite the high pedestal there |
| 18:30.56 | nevcairiel | or maybe your definition of sane is off |
| 18:31.11 | Fisker | Or maybe yours is |
| 18:40.35 | Funkeh` | "<Fisker> You're just spouting the same NRA nonsense that keeps guns on the table in the US" < Yeah because guns are the only threat requiring metal detectors. Thats why every other country has 0 security checks for public events... oh wait. |
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| 18:41.35 | Funkeh` | If anything the fact that public events in other countries being even stricter with entrance security checks should make you wonder wtf took Blizzcon and other cons that long to implement them |
| 19:05.40 | znf | https://gfycat.com/FeminineDarkArmadillo when you're waiting for the last orb guy |
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| 20:10.01 | Fisker | Hey Seerah I hear you're coming to Blizzcon |
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| 21:03.00 | pnorman | mentally ill is different than not criminally responsible |
| 21:04.39 | Stanzilla | I only read the first letter of your name and assumed it was pompy and thought holy shit man, that's the deepest thing he said in years |
| 21:04.46 | Stanzilla | now disappointed though :( |
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| 22:09.09 | foxlit | what returns the localized faction group name for a specific faction group (i.e. how do I figure out what the "Horde" is called for the current locale?) |
| 22:20.53 | nevcairiel | UnitFactionGroup not enough i take it |
| 22:22.35 | AcidWeb | global string? FACTION_HORDE |
| 22:23.12 | foxlit | it's the opposite-faction problem: I can figure out what your own faction is called (well, Pandaren), but not resolve a saved unlocalized token to a localized name |
| 22:28.21 | foxlit | AcidWeb: yeah, that works. |
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