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| 02:38.12 | nebula | Version numbers start at 3. Unless they're minor version numbers; those start at 02. |
| 02:38.15 | nebula | you monster |
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| 12:03.38 | foxlit | nebula: goblin scientists are still hard at work trying to determine whether more recent versions have larger or smaller numbers. So far, the evidence is inconclusive. |
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| 13:20.53 | VIad | hmm did blizzard add API to get the visual information from a link? like mythic/normal weapons use different skins but same item right |
| 13:21.29 | VIad | the model widget has :SetItem(itemID[, appearanceModID, itemVisualID]) but would need to extract the appearance/visual data ,_, |
| 13:22.53 | VIad | dressing room uses the tryout with link, works fine. but the weapon preview code in this addon doesn't and figures if it's impossible to feed it the correct data I guess :P https://i.imgur.com/oQzSFBq.png |
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| 14:44.03 | Ressy | Has anyone done an updated Global Functions list for 8.0, like https://wow.gamepedia.com/Global_functions ? |
| 14:49.15 | VIad | that hasnt been updated since pre legion |
| 14:49.47 | Ressy | Which is why I'm asking.... |
| 14:50.48 | znf | foxlit, any new release? |
| 14:51.49 | foxlit | "VIad: that hasnt been updated since pre legion" "This list is current as of patch 7.2.5.24367 (Jun 15 2017)" |
| 14:52.08 | VIad | hehe, but it wasnt fully updated |
| 14:52.11 | Ressy | How do I get the list? |
| 14:52.26 | foxlit | znf: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/war-plan |
| 14:52.41 | znf | ah, you published |
| 14:55.06 | Ressy | Is there an easy way of printing all the global functions out? |
| 14:56.49 | foxlit | No. |
| 14:57.12 | znf | They seem to have speed up the cycle of contributions |
| 14:58.02 | znf | Horde is at 74% |
| 14:58.39 | Ressy | Why am I not surprised... |
| 14:59.06 | Ressy | foxlit: Is there an easy way of getting all functions for anything to do with transmog |
| 15:00.49 | znf | Ressy, is there a +cooking speed enchant? |
| 15:00.59 | foxlit | Ressy: https://ghostbin.com/paste/sqhzk |
| 15:01.18 | znf | foxlit, god I hate thate fucking pastebin |
| 15:01.33 | Ressy | znf: Not a clue. Haven't been able to get ARL running yet, so haven't seen much of anything. |
| 15:01.33 | foxlit | (just grep'ed for Transmog) |
| 15:02.04 | Ressy | znf: There is stuff from Halfhill that'll do what you want. |
| 15:02.12 | Ressy | foxlit: Thank you!! |
| 15:02.13 | znf | fuck that |
| 15:02.18 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:03.37 | znf | I don't want to trade a billion items for that stupid apron |
| 15:03.41 | znf | or whatever it was |
| 15:03.43 | znf | chef's hat? |
| 15:06.39 | Ressy | Sorry.. That stuff is +cooking. |
| 15:07.27 | Mr_Rabies | there's a glove enchant that increases the crafting speed, but i think it only applies to primary profs |
| 15:07.40 | Mr_Rabies | as far as i know the cooking hat is your only option |
| 15:07.49 | Mr_Rabies | chef's hat |
| 15:08.29 | znf | Mr_Rabies, yup, that's what I was asking |
| 15:08.29 | Ressy | https://www.wowhead.com/item=134020/chefs-hat |
| 15:08.40 | znf | I found it, meanwhile, on wowhead, that it only applies to primary |
| 15:08.42 | Ressy | Not halfhill.. Dalaran stuffs |
| 15:08.48 | znf | and no, I'm not going back to WoTLK to get it |
| 15:08.52 | Ressy | lol |
| 15:09.13 | Mr_Rabies | at least it's a toy now |
| 15:09.17 | Mr_Rabies | you can use it on all chars |
| 15:09.22 | Ressy | nods |
| 15:09.53 | znf | still takes weeks to get it, afaik |
| 15:11.20 | Mr_Rabies | check and see if you have near 100 on any chars, they combined the wrath and cata rewards at some point |
| 15:11.22 | Mr_Rabies | into one item |
| 15:12.00 | znf | doubt I have them, I know I never had enough in WoTLK, but I'll check |
| 15:13.24 | znf | oh |
| 15:13.24 | znf | You can buy Small Spice Bag which has 1 Epicurean's Award from Auzin now as well. They go for 25 Timewarped badge per bag. Makes getting them a lot faster than just doing the dailies. |
| 15:15.03 | znf | and I have 2515 badges, neat |
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| 15:20.16 | foxlit | znf: if you want to transfer mission history data, you need to log in with both versions loaded, and /run WarPlanDataPC = ProtoDataPC on each character whose data you want to preserve. |
| 15:20.47 | znf | ah |
| 15:20.49 | znf | it's fine |
| 15:21.09 | znf | not that important :D |
| 15:57.30 | foxlit | So it turns out that you can send missions with negative success chances. |
| 15:58.12 | Mr_Rabies | if a negative success chance mission fails does that mean you passed |
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| 15:59.44 | foxlit | I think the most straightforward implementation is if math.random() > successChance then failMission() end, which unfortunately does not explode the universe if faced with impossible probabilities. |
| 16:06.43 | znf | how the hell do I find out what's doing this to my plates? https://i.imgur.com/2rYBsFD.png |
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| 16:52.17 | foxlit | find out what that texture is, then hook its show/hide/settexcord/setalpha methods to figure out who touched it last. |
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| 17:27.22 | znf | I'm gonna ask again |
| 17:27.39 | znf | Do Mythic Raids still follow the instance lockout or it's flexibile as normal raids? |
| 17:27.50 | Stanzilla | lockout |
| 17:28.02 | znf | :( |
| 17:28.40 | znf | So I can't go kill MOTHER with a different team/lockout :( |
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| 17:34.18 | nevcairiel | nope |
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| 18:10.19 | ls- | foxlit, I wanted to ask one thing, why did you add underscores to _initialAttributeNames and _initialAttribute? I mean, initialConfigFunction doesn't have one, so style-wise it makes no sense o_O |
| 18:10.43 | ls- | soz, my ocd is triggering me a bit >_> |
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| 18:23.25 | foxlit | ls-: it's mainly about whether you're able to change those attributes from the RE during lockdown. |
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| 18:25.44 | foxlit | the underscore prefix makes that impossible, which makes it a little easier to argue that we're not changing existing limits in any significant way. |
| 18:26.18 | ls- | yeah, makes sense |
| 18:27.56 | foxlit | it's also possible, but a bit harder, to reach the same conclusion without the underscore prefix. |
| 18:28.55 | foxlit | (but I didn't have a use case requiring being able to change those things from the RE in lockdown, so I opted for the simpler-to-reason-about option.) |
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| 18:34.42 | ls- | better safe than sorry, I guess, and that prob helped in your negotiations w/ Tom |
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| 18:38.36 | foxlit | well, it didn't land yet, so who knows :) |
| 18:39.38 | ls- | let's hope for the best :D |
| 18:42.29 | foxlit | on the bright side, 8.1 has a proper fix for https://www.townlong-yak.com/bugs/afKy4k-GetSelectedIDTaint |
| 18:43.36 | znf | WoW has no support for .OTF right? |
| 18:45.57 | MiRai | I have an OTF font in my SharedMedia folder that works |
| 18:46.33 | MiRai | Well, it's at least worked in the past - I guess I can't tell you whether it works right at the moment |
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| 20:34.44 | znf | why isn't foxlit's addon showing up when searching? https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/search?search=war+plan |
| 20:34.45 | znf | :-? |
| 20:47.04 | Funkeh` | brand new addons take days to show up |
| 20:47.56 | Funkeh` | he could also have just merged it into master plan instead of making a separate addon? iirc it's all the same API. |
| 20:48.33 | Stanzilla | the new addon makes its own frame while the old one augments the original one |
| 20:48.49 | Funkeh` | so update the old one |
| 20:53.49 | foxlit | Clearly the amazon cloud is not fast enough to index 300 words in 24 hours. |
| 20:56.42 | Funkeh` | 24 hours? |
| 20:56.49 | Funkeh` | good luck if it shows up in 7 days |
| 20:58.01 | foxlit | I think it's been like 24 hour since the upload. I don't feel like making up an estimate for how often the index is updated. |
| 20:59.56 | Funkeh` | just speaking from experience |
| 21:00.33 | Funkeh` | but curse stuff is generally trash so I don't expecting anything other than continual downgrades every time they "upgrade" something |
| 21:05.28 | foxlit | I don't like the "merge it into master plan" approach for several reasons |
| 21:06.10 | foxlit | one is that there's very little addon-level API intersection, so this would basically ship two independent addons in one download. |
| 21:09.18 | foxlit | another is that adding an expansion-level feature in a random update feels weird -- it's odd to go from maintaining "this addon only handles garrisons" for an entire expansion to "oh, by the way, it now also handles this other mission type." People might already have stuff that does what they want to it, so just replacing it entirely without asking is a bit meh. |
| 21:13.14 | foxlit | and I probably don't want to commit to promptly updating MP in future patches. |
| 21:14.45 | Funkeh` | missions are missions no matter what the display frame looks like from expansion to expansion. create a generic API and then every expansion can be made into a LoD content addon. |
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| 21:16.38 | foxlit | If you zoom out far enough, everything looks the same. |
| 21:19.41 | foxlit | but they aren't, really. 6.0 had no troops or bonus rewards. 7.0 had temporary follower abilities. 8.0 has no inactive followers. |
| 21:21.18 | Funkeh` | so? :D not something that can't be handled |
| 21:23.47 | foxlit | I don't see the benefit. |
| 21:41.19 | Ressy | If a function returns 2 sets of info, how do I use just the first set? |
| 21:41.36 | foxlit | use, Ressy? |
| 21:41.50 | Ressy | C_TransmogCollection.GetAppearanceSources |
| 21:43.33 | Ressy | It can return multiple sets of data, for each item which provides the appearance. I just want to grab the first return. |
| 21:43.44 | foxlit | so local x = whatever()? |
| 21:43.59 | Ressy | mmmhmm |
| 21:46.58 | foxlit | Funkeh`: I suppose that plan makes more sense if you're a boss mod, where your core functionality ("display some text and status bars") hasn't changed for 7 expansions. |
| 21:50.48 | Funkeh` | It makes just as must sense for a missions addon no matter how much you try to simply the process of keeping boss mods running, but I'm not really interested in arguing |
| 21:51.00 | foxlit | mission tables are *mostly about the UI*, and what makes sense in terms of UI is rather volatile across each iteration of the mission table. War Plan's layout wouldn't quite work for order halls, and would just be ridiculous for garrisons. Master Plan's layout would be rather boring for 7.x or 8.x missions. |
| 21:51.06 | nebula | he skipped legion, it makes no sense to add bfa support to a wod addon |
| 21:52.39 | Funkeh` | if by "makes no sense" you meant "skipping legion doesn't mean anything" then yeah |
| 21:52.57 | Funkeh` | for all you know the next expansion implementation of missions will be another legion |
| 21:53.51 | Funkeh` | considering he still seems to update master plan despite it's irrelevancy, having support for legion isn't exactly a jump |
| 21:53.56 | nebula | i mean that people moved on but the addon didn't, it would be silly to change it suddenly to add things that people don't expect or possibly want |
| 21:54.10 | Funkeh` | it's a missions addon... |
| 21:54.15 | Funkeh` | it handles... missions |
| 21:54.15 | nebula | FOR WOD |
| 21:54.29 | Funkeh` | oh my bad I didn't see "MasterPlan for WoD" in the name# |
| 21:54.44 | nebula | people switched to ordercommander or whatever addon came after |
| 21:55.02 | Funkeh` | "people switched to blabla addon so why update this addon?" |
| 21:55.06 | nebula | yes |
| 21:55.06 | Funkeh` | lul |
| 21:55.08 | nebula | basically |
| 21:55.18 | Funkeh` | daft logic my man |
| 21:55.23 | nebula | the ui is completely different |
| 21:55.27 | nebula | if you want it you can get the new addon |
| 21:55.31 | nebula | whats the fucking big deal |
| 21:55.37 | Funkeh` | the functionality is the same, the display is different |
| 21:55.46 | Funkeh` | I didn't really make it a big deal, you did |
| 21:56.52 | nebula | because you're being stubborn about something silly, which makes it impossible for me not to argue for the opposite side |
| 21:57.45 | Funkeh` | [22:50:48] <Funkeh`> It makes just as must sense for a missions addon no matter how much you try to simply the process of keeping boss mods running, but I'm not really interested in arguing |
| 21:57.53 | Funkeh` | BUT OMG FUNK YOURE SO WRONG |
| 21:57.58 | Funkeh` | KEEP ARGUING PLS |
| 21:58.31 | nebula | pffft, i got involved way farther back in the log |
| 21:58.43 | Funkeh` | get a grip, he doesn't make the other addon, theres absolutely NOTHING wrong with updating master plan and completing with that addon |
| 21:59.08 | Funkeh` | competing* |
| 22:02.31 | foxlit | Funkeh`: oh my bad I didn't see "MasterPlan for WoD" in the name# << to be entirely fair, that's in the first sentence of the description: "Master Plan modifies the Garrison Missions UI..." |
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| 22:28.12 | Stanzilla | I'm just glad foxlit finally wrote the addon :) |
| 22:28.40 | nebula | all those poor goats |
| 22:31.10 | Thunder_Child | It was a worthy cause. |
| 22:35.04 | Ketho | but can it do "Mission Accomplished" every time https://i.imgur.com/LDVbt12.jpg |
| 22:38.26 | foxlit | actually got "Mission Failed" recently. 10/10, would recommend. |
| 22:38.47 | Simca_ | I just noticed Gello (author of Rematch) is fighting some pretty severe bug where the Mac client crashes fairly consistently while running the addon |
| 22:39.01 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.02 | Simca_ | i wonder if that is on the UI team's radar |
| 22:39.33 | nebula | they hid the entire time out of range of the team, no exp for them |
| 22:39.58 | Simca_ | that does seem like a bug foxlit |
| 22:41.52 | foxlit | I think they might've been on the failed mission. |
| 22:54.42 | Semlar | evidently they didn't learn much from their experience |
| 23:01.50 | znf | Some mobs in the island expeditions hit incredibly hard for a Heroic difficulty |
| 23:02.45 | Maldivia | znf: have you done any cata timewalking this week? |
| 23:03.09 | nevcairiel | island mobs that hit especially hard are usually using a dodgeable attack |
| 23:03.47 | znf | Maldivia, yes, why? |
| 23:03.52 | Maldivia | which ones? |
| 23:03.54 | znf | nevcairiel, not this bear thing |
| 23:04.02 | znf | Maldivia, dunno, I've done 5 for the weekly |
| 23:04.17 | znf | I got end of time twice |
| 23:04.41 | Maldivia | hmm, ok, because talking about hitting hard; some of the mobs seems a bit out of tune :D |
| 23:04.56 | nevcairiel | end time was particularly broken the early days |
| 23:05.00 | nevcairiel | but they hotfixed that |
| 23:05.15 | Maldivia | ok, I was healing end of time wednesday... that was painful |
| 23:06.57 | znf | I did it after hotfix, afaik |
| 23:07.00 | znf | was a walk in the park |
| 23:08.51 | znf | longer queue times than the dungeon itself |
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| 23:09.11 | znf | who was the sadistic fuck that made the stuns/cc's so long in island expeditions |
| 23:13.46 | Semlar | don't get hit |
| 23:17.49 | Semlar | also the reason things seem like they hit so hard in the timewalking dungeons is because that's what cataclysm dungeons were like |
| 23:19.19 | Semlar | mobs in trash pulls had mechanics that you needed to handle or potentially make use of CC |
| 23:20.22 | znf | nevcairiel, I'm not sure how auto-attack for 25k could be dodged |
| 23:20.47 | Semlar | why are you even tanking, aren't you a priest? |
| 23:21.14 | znf | or Shadowbolt for 20k |
| 23:21.40 | nevcairiel | dont pull the hard hitting elites if you cant deal =p |
| 23:22.07 | Semlar | i go in there as havoc and have never taken substantial damage from anything that wasn't avoidable |
| 23:22.24 | znf | it's an island expedition, I'm not supposed to NEED a tank |
| 23:22.41 | Semlar | you don't need a tank but you aren't the only person there |
| 23:22.42 | nevcairiel | yet you may play differently if you d o |
| 23:22.50 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/AZ7GYnv.png |
| 23:22.51 | Stanzilla | just play disc |
| 23:23.31 | nevcairiel | the problem with that misconception is that people play as if they have a tank to protect them, instead of adjusting their playstyle to match the group |
| 23:23.56 | Semlar | i literally just pull everything, stun it and then aoe it down |
| 23:25.14 | znf | yes, you're an OP class |
| 23:25.37 | Semlar | you can fear and fade and heal can't you |
| 23:26.17 | znf | like I have mana for heal lol |
| 23:27.13 | znf | wish I knew how the fuck those arbitrary loot shit works in Island Expeditions |
| 23:28.16 | znf | Stanzilla, I told you I can't play a healer |
| 23:28.20 | znf | I wouldn't know what buttons to press |
| 23:28.26 | Semlar | smite |
| 23:28.32 | Stanzilla | practice |
| 23:28.51 | znf | for what? for island expeditions? |
| 23:28.52 | znf | are you nuts? |
| 23:28.59 | Semlar | i mean it sounds like you can't play a dps either, ohoho |
| 23:29.12 | Stanzilla | booom |
| 23:29.47 | znf | my logs say otherwise |
| 23:29.51 | Semlar | are you soloing it though |
| 23:30.00 | Semlar | what are your other group members doing |
| 23:30.09 | znf | killing crocolisks |
| 23:30.25 | Semlar | just stick together |
| 23:31.44 | znf | great, got kicked for not killing crocolisks... |
| 23:31.47 | znf | oh god, I hate people |
| 23:31.55 | znf | why can't I queue alone for this shit |
| 23:32.04 | nevcairiel | its you, not them |
| 23:32.18 | znf | well, I don't want to fucking kill crocolisks |
| 23:32.26 | nevcairiel | because the vast majority of people are doing just fine :p |
| 23:32.46 | znf | I want to get more than 225 fucking azerite at the end |
| 23:35.23 | znf | I usually go search a stupid Altar so I can do more damage... I left them killing some normal crocolisks to find an altar, poof, removed... no word, no anything |
| 23:35.24 | znf | geez |
| 23:38.58 | znf | Honestly, horrible piece of shit feature of this expansion. They put cosmetic loot in a system that can't be farmed at all, by standard methods. If you go using the group finder, everyone wants to "go go go", and just complete the instance as fast as possible. If you form a group, I found out that you can be too efficient and after killing all the rares, there's no more time for the invasion/event. |
| 23:39.11 | znf | Getting a 30 minute deserter buff from a shit that takes 10 minutes to complete is incredibly retarded. |
| 23:39.31 | znf | Especially since the shit bugs out all the time and you randomly get the debuff when you get ported in. |
| 23:41.17 | znf | I still can't believe they shipped an expansion so fucking incomplete. |
| 23:41.39 | nevcairiel | you should quit |
| 23:41.43 | nevcairiel | preferably both the game and irc |
| 23:43.11 | znf | nah, you'd miss me |
| 23:43.25 | nevcairiel | like a rash |
| 23:45.16 | Stanzilla | be nice, boys |
| 23:52.15 | znf | Torhal, could you flag this addon? https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/noob-blocker |
