| 00:04.12 | Crosshash | @foxlit When is grouplootcontainer remaining shown? |
| 00:05.27 | foxlit | I ran an m+ dungeon or three, noticed it in the middle of one of them, creating a dead zone beneath the personal name plate. |
| 00:06.02 | foxlit | At a complete guess, maybe if the bonus roll timer expires/is cancelled? |
| 00:19.51 | foxlit | (it's weird because OnHide for those frames calls GroupLootContainer_RemoveFrame which seems to remove it from the container's rollFrames, and GroupLootContainer_Update which hides the container if no rollFrames remain, but I can only really tell you what the framestack told me.) |
| 00:25.49 | znf | honestly, fuck those guys who run raider.io |
| 00:26.13 | foxlit | that sounds constructive. |
| 00:26.23 | nebula | znf's gearscore is too low |
| 00:26.30 | znf | nah, my "raider.io" score is too low |
| 00:26.44 | znf | but I can't get it higher because, well... it's too low |
| 00:26.55 | znf | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 00:27.08 | Stanzilla | find friends |
| 00:27.12 | nebula | the joke was m+ score is the new gearscore |
| 00:27.14 | znf | also, I'm Shadow |
| 00:27.23 | znf | Stanzilla, all my friends stopped playing |
| 00:27.52 | foxlit | meh, it's the same "to get into this raid, you must first link the 'I've cleared this raid' achievement" problem with a different tool. |
| 00:28.20 | znf | yupm pretty much |
| 00:28.37 | znf | the only place I keep getting into, as a higher key level, is King's Rest |
| 00:28.47 | znf | 3 runs today, all failed on 1st boss |
| 00:30.43 | znf | I keep getting declined, because "lol shadow", even tough wherever I get invited to, I'm usually top dps |
| 00:30.55 | znf | (when there's no monk dps, that is, those fuckers are insane) |
| 00:32.01 | foxlit | unrelated anecdote time: my last m+0 group for the weekly had a rogue in gear that I'm pretty sure wasn't enough to use the group finder for heroic dungeons. |
| 00:34.19 | foxlit | (I guess the point is that more casual groups with respect to gear, dps, or class choices do exist, but as a DPS you're competing with way too many other people to get in them.) |
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| 00:35.53 | foxlit | So I guess the recommendations are: (a) find like-minded people to group with outside the group-finder system (b) start your own groups, with blackjack and stuff, or (c) respec for m+, keeping your loot spec set to whatever you actually want if that makes any difference for your class. |
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| 00:40.45 | znf | 1) no friends, all quit |
| 00:40.59 | znf | 2) my key for this week was Shrine +8, nobody wants to do that |
| 00:41.04 | znf | 3) can't heal for shit lol |
| 00:41.48 | znf | basically, my option is to 4) re-roll to fotm |
| 00:41.59 | znf | at which point, I'd rather just delete the game |
| 00:43.07 | foxlit | er, you could make more friends, de-level your shrine key and re-roll it to something else, start bring-your-own-key groups, or learn to heal. |
| 00:43.24 | znf | yeah, it de-leveled to shrine +7 |
| 00:43.24 | znf | ... |
| 00:43.51 | foxlit | that's how that works, yes. It doesn't change unless you complete the dungeon. |
| 00:44.29 | foxlit | I think you might be able to delete it and run another mythic to get another random key, but I'm not sure if that was special treatment for the first week of botched keys or not. |
| 00:44.48 | znf | well, it's not gonna be useful in this state anyway :P |
| 00:46.24 | znf | community perception is a bitch |
| 00:58.11 | Arrowmaster | I swear this project is going to drive me insane |
| 00:58.42 | Arrowmaster | how is the documentationf for setting up a kubernetes cluster so bad |
| 01:00.59 | tz | it's a "young project" (tm) |
| 01:01.19 | tz | nobody knows wtf they're doing with k8s but they pretend they do |
| 01:01.29 | Gnarfoz | maybe you should attend a mass |
| 01:01.45 | Gnarfoz | I hear that's what religions do |
| 01:01.58 | Arrowmaster | im about to give up and just try regular docker |
| 01:02.28 | Gnarfoz | go one step further and use regular VMs :D |
| 01:02.35 | tz | bare metal! |
| 01:03.21 | foxlit | but is bare metal web-scale? |
| 01:03.23 | Arrowmaster | im doing it all in VMs on proxmox, i could just switch to everything in seperate lxc |
| 01:03.40 | foxlit | mongodb is web-scale! |
| 01:04.04 | Arrowmaster | but I wanted to be able to learn to automate this stuff |
| 01:04.14 | tz | does proxmox do more than 8 vCPUs as well as PCIe passthru? kinda annoyed with VMware's free license in that respect |
| 01:04.33 | Arrowmaster | i believe so |
| 01:04.38 | tz | I should probably do some investigation, hmmm |
| 01:05.10 | Arrowmaster | ive only got a single socket quad core host |
| 01:06.07 | tz | fair enough, mine's a 16-core and I need to rebuild yocto shit relatively frequently, kinda annoying only using half the hardware |
| 01:06.52 | Arrowmaster | r210ii w/ e3-1240v2 |
| 01:08.12 | Arrowmaster | my gns3vm runs great that i converted from the esxi image |
| 01:08.36 | Arrowmaster | all kinds of trouble getting a rancheros cluster working |
| 01:09.13 | tz | mmm, I've been wondering which base OS to use for some of my own personal shit |
| 01:09.18 | tz | for containers |
| 01:09.29 | tz | sounds like rancher isn't worth pursuing? |
| 01:10.11 | Arrowmaster | i honestly have no idea, i just have no fucking clue what i'm doing trying to install rke and rancher2.0 on it i guess |
| 01:10.31 | tz | fair enough |
| 01:11.30 | Arrowmaster | now should i try k8 on coreos or just go for plain docker which i could try on rancheros vm, coreos vm, debian vm, or a debian lxc |
| 01:12.22 | Arrowmaster | i tried a 3 node cluster of debian lxc's earlier today and couldnt get docker to run on more than one of them at once, suspect thats an lxc limitation |
| 01:12.56 | Arrowmaster | this is what i spent most of my work day on which is not at all related to my job |
| 01:13.41 | tz | at least it's not powershell |
| 01:13.51 | tz | that's my day atm |
| 01:15.10 | Arrowmaster | ive been half tempted to learn powershell so script an inital setup everytime i login to one of our pci rdp boxes, all accounts are setup as guest accounts and default on logout |
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| 01:19.55 | znf | tz, you can use as many vCPUs as you want |
| 01:20.08 | znf | but you'll probably have to fickle around with the PCIe pass-trough |
| 01:20.32 | znf | as in, there's no point-n-click for it :P |
| 01:20.44 | znf | meanwhile, in WoW land |
| 01:20.50 | tz | grumble grumble |
| 01:20.56 | znf | we were doing fine on Freehold+9 |
| 01:20.58 | znf | we were doing fine on Freehold+8 |
| 01:21.00 | znf | making time |
| 01:21.04 | znf | tank went poof |
| 01:21.22 | Arrowmaster | proxmox cli isnt that bad |
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| 01:27.05 | znf | foxlit, you're right, I still got a new key from a different cache |
| 01:28.34 | znf | I got a WM+7 |
| 02:44.47 | Simca | protip, blizzard never changed their hotfix on how key deletion works |
| 02:45.04 | Simca | this means you can delete your key to regenerate a fresh one 1 lower than your highest key of the week |
| 02:45.12 | Simca | i.e. do a 10, have a 3 key, delete it, get a 9 |
| 02:56.08 | Motig | think just not having it in your bags also works, my bags are always full and I kept getting stones mailed to me |
| 02:56.50 | Simca | lol really? |
| 02:56.52 | Simca | multiple keys? |
| 02:57.50 | Motig | yeah I even had multiple in my bags |
| 02:58.32 | Motig | (when I eventually did take them from my mailbox) |
| 02:59.17 | znf | geez |
| 02:59.29 | znf | finished a SoB+7 1 minute and 30 seconds before server shut down |
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| 03:13.45 | jaxdahl | Simca, will it be a different dungeon |
| 03:14.05 | Simca | random, so 7/8 chance to be a diff one yeah |
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| 14:58.05 | ls- | tortollans are super creepy in general |
| 14:58.08 | Andols | While on the subject of macros. Is it possible to put a On Use trinket in a normal spell macro without having the "Can't do that yet" error appearing when it is on cooldown? |
| 15:05.06 | ThiefMaster | Andols: yeah, just clear the error frame with a /script command in the same macro |
| 15:05.26 | Andols | will that also prevent the audio error? |
| 15:05.36 | ThiefMaster | people don't disable that? :p |
| 15:05.54 | ThiefMaster | https://eu.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/3313065586 |
| 15:06.10 | ThiefMaster | something like that might work |
| 15:15.50 | foxlit | (Add #mute on a line preceding the slash command(s) in OPie or M6) |
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| 15:37.58 | s_e | @znf what ui skin do you use? looked familiar but couldn't remember which one it is |
| 15:39.16 | znf | Aurora |
| 15:40.28 | s_e | thanks, I'm going to ditch realui so I need something to just replace the modal frame skinning |
| 16:04.52 | TSquare | Good Morning |
| 16:08.34 | Funkeh` | morning |
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| 16:34.48 | jaxdahl | ThiefMaster VA is a 92 year old woman |
| 17:06.02 | ThiefMaster | wtf, the m+ chest item is 10 ilvl lower if it's azerite?! |
| 17:06.14 | ThiefMaster | (just got some 340 garbage from a +2 chest) |
| 17:06.40 | Semlar | azerite can't normally warforge, so possibly |
| 17:07.02 | Semlar | i wouldn't know since the only thing i've gotten out of my mythic cache is bracers |
| 17:08.13 | ThiefMaster | well the ingame info (in the mythic leaderboard ui) said it'd be 350 |
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| 17:13.49 | foxlit | yes, the in-game info lies in this respect. |
| 17:14.08 | znf | ThiefMaster, Azerite has fixed ilvls 340, 355, 370, 385 |
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| 17:14.28 | znf | and if you don't "qualify" for the next level, guess what? :P |
| 17:14.45 | foxlit | azerite gear tends to lag the normal chest reward ilvl, because fuck you. |
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| 17:22.52 | Semlar | i don't really understand why they decided azerite gear shouldn't drop from mythics |
| 17:23.40 | foxlit | or why its item level needs to be bucketed. |
| 17:23.42 | Semlar | and then made the only weekly source for them from mythics have a rather substantial chance of not dropping it |
| 17:25.39 | Semlar | i'm kind of salty about the chest, which would have given me an upgrade in literally any other slot, giving me the same item it gave me last week |
| 17:26.06 | ThiefMaster | yeah, same.. and i'd surely have done a +3 had i know that +2 has a higher risk of giving me crap |
| 17:26.30 | znf | foxlit, because they need to keep it in check so they can balance it! |
| 17:26.31 | znf | lol |
| 17:26.36 | foxlit | ThiefMaster: +4 |
| 17:26.50 | Semlar | just do a 10 every week np |
| 17:27.01 | nevcairiel | 4 7 and 10 are the breakpoints, anyway |
| 17:29.00 | znf | oh we have Quaking this week |
| 17:29.02 | znf | fuck. that. |
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| 17:30.09 | Semlar | as a tank, quaking is more of a mild irritant compared to the fortified + teeming combination |
| 17:31.54 | znf | when did your hunter start tanking? |
| 17:32.15 | Semlar | he's a demon hunter now |
| 17:32.30 | znf | change of profession, I see |
| 17:32.35 | Semlar | got into the demon hunting business |
| 17:33.09 | Semlar | sacrificed everything |
| 17:33.15 | Semlar | you understand how it is |
| 17:34.43 | foxlit | so last week was skittish? how did that end up working out? |
| 17:35.04 | znf | the groups I was in didn't have much problems |
| 17:35.31 | foxlit | harder question: how much of a threat reduction is it really? |
| 17:35.49 | Semlar | skittish was barely noticeable but i also tend to do a decent amount of aoe damage |
| 17:36.02 | Semlar | i'm not sure how other tanks fared |
| 17:36.21 | Semlar | i've also been tanking since BC, so i know what generating no threat really feels like |
| 17:37.37 | znf | I barely saw one or two mobs break away from the packs, to be honest |
| 17:37.45 | nevcairiel | only time i noticed skittish was with some bursty warriors in the group |
| 17:37.45 | Semlar | last week's modifiers were great, except for tyrannical, because people kept getting hit by boss mechanics |
| 17:37.50 | znf | And I "fixed" those by quickly fading :P |
| 17:38.00 | znf | and yes, tyrannical was a bitch :( |
| 17:38.02 | znf | fucking shrine |
| 17:38.20 | znf | that knock-back from the 1st boss was pretty much a one-shot |
| 17:38.31 | Semlar | i much prefer tyrannical over fortified as a tank, but not when playing with people who can't dodge mechanics |
| 17:39.30 | Semlar | fortified trash can hit too hard to actually tank on my DH so i have to resort to kiting a lot |
| 17:40.58 | Semlar | on some pulls that isn't an option, so i have to rely on bursting down harder tarets |
| 17:41.01 | Semlar | targets |
| 17:42.18 | Semlar | oh and the last boss of siege of boralus with tyrannical had too much health to actually kill with one of my groups |
| 17:43.12 | Semlar | we didn't have enough dps to kill the demolishing tentacle to have any time to dps the gripping tentacle before another demolisher spawned |
| 17:43.33 | Semlar | so we had to just quit that one |
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| 20:39.59 | znf | geez |
| 20:40.06 | znf | car crash on my street, I had the window open |
| 20:40.13 | znf | noise was insane |
| 20:40.20 | znf | now the whole area smells like burnt rubber |
| 20:47.07 | foxlit | can you query old profession skill without having the trade skill UI open? |
| 20:48.07 | foxlit | e.g. your "blacksmithing plans" skill bar while you have a blacksmithing skill from a later expansion, like pandaria blacksmithing |
| 20:54.03 | foxlit | or, like, determine if you have any outland fishing skill or not. |
| 21:00.40 | foxlit | let's go with "no". |
| 21:02.33 | foxlit | so it's C_TradeSkillUI.OpenTradeSkill(id), C_TradeSkillUI.GetCategories(), C_TradeSkillUI.GetCategoryInfo(), C_TradeSkillUI.CloseTradeSkill(), and hope nobody noticed that you just flicked through 5 different trade skills and probably aborted whatever the player was crafting. |
| 21:09.06 | foxlit | ... and of course GetCategories() isn't available immediately, turning this into a multi-frame affair. |
| 21:09.48 | foxlit | meanwhile, TRADE_SKILL_DATA_SOURCE_CHANGED fires before TRADE_SKILL_DATA_SOURCE_CHANGING. |
| 21:16.56 | TheDanW | that's about right, there can only be one tradeskill set a time and the API requires one to be set |
| 21:17.36 | TheDanW | i believe most addons remove the open/close event registrations from the default UI |
| 21:18.45 | foxlit | the net effect is that there's no easy way to answer "Do I have the right skill to use the Anglers Fishing Raft?" |
| 21:20.25 | foxlit | "... or the Magnificent Flying Carpet?" |
| 21:21.14 | Crosshash | For the carpet, can't you use the Mounts API? |
| 21:22.39 | foxlit | The mounts API doesn't distinguish between "no, you can't use this mount because you don't have the skill" and "no, you can't use this mount in this cave" |
| 21:23.11 | Crosshash | Why is the distinction important? |
| 21:23.58 | foxlit | It makes sense for an contextual bar to show you a mount you can use once you get out of the cave, but not a mount that your character can't use, ever. |
| 21:26.23 | foxlit | (the toy box usability api, meanwhile, is confused by reputation requirements -- it checks the reputation required to *learn* the toy, even though using the toy doesn't require the rep.) |
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| 21:29.51 | foxlit | I have an addon that people can use to display a list of mounts from which they can select one to use upon pressing a key binding -- ideally, they can add all the mounts they're interested in, and any profession-specific ones would be hidden from characters that don't have the skills. Typically, you'd want to open that list just as you're exiting the cave, so if nothing appeared because you hit the button too soon and none of the mounts are |
| 21:29.52 | foxlit | usable, it'd be silly. |
| 21:30.37 | foxlit | on the other hand, showing a non-engineer (or newbie engineer?) character an engineering mount doesn't really make sense -- there's nothing they can do in the short term to fix the usability issue. |
| 21:48.45 | Stanzilla | TSquare: GetLFGDungeonInfo(1888) which is Uldir returns expansion level 6 which is Legion |
| 22:18.56 | Crosshash | @foxlit How do you know what profession you need to query for a specific mount? |
| 22:20.05 | foxlit | some are hardcoded by mount/spell ID, but users can also enter something like "don't show me this thing unless I have 425 engineering skill" |
| 22:24.22 | Crosshash | Would the mount tooltip error text that's in red be enough? |
| 22:27.34 | foxlit | probably (i.e. could probably match it against a list of conditions that imply you won't be able to use that mount for a while), but I haven't checked too closely how it determines which error to show when multiple error conditions apply. |
| 22:28.35 | foxlit | having some function return that error text without having to populate a tooltip would be nice. |
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| 23:58.14 | znf | Talk about a carrot on a stick with that mount :D |