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| 20:18.51 | [TOM_RUS] | world quests in legion were forced by blizzard at least for first half of expansion |
| 20:20.40 | [TOM_RUS] | that kind of design sucks |
| 20:21.01 | [TOM_RUS] | raiders should not be forced to do quest/dingeons whatever other shit blizzard comes up with |
| 20:25.09 | foxlit | raiders will claim they're forced to do any kind of content with a reward that increases character power. |
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| 20:37.42 | [TOM_RUS] | ofc they will |
| 20:38.09 | [TOM_RUS] | that's why you should not create such content to begin with |
| 20:38.21 | [TOM_RUS] | or make it not work in raids |
| 20:40.31 | [TOM_RUS] | like for example "when you enter raid, you get all your artifact traits automatically maxed out" |
| 20:41.10 | [TOM_RUS] | this way raiders won't be forced to do random shit outside of raiding |
| 20:41.31 | [TOM_RUS] | and those who don';t do raids will still get theirs power increase |
| 20:43.11 | foxlit | should make raid drops unusable outside raids, too. |
| 20:43.23 | Alram | heh |
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| 20:46.14 | [TOM_RUS] | raid drops already unusable in for example pvp due to garbage template system |
| 20:47.08 | nevcairiel | character progression is part of any RPG, if you are not willing to progress your character, maybe you need to find a new genre to play |
| 20:48.16 | [TOM_RUS] | i'm ok with progressing through content I enjoy |
| 20:48.28 | [TOM_RUS] | not through content that blizzard forces on me |
| 20:49.17 | nevcairiel | enjoyment is subjective, and there are a lot of alternative ways to obtain AP, but people will always claim t hey are forced to do all the ways, instead of viewing it like the alternative avenues that they are |
| 20:50.02 | [TOM_RUS] | that's why so many competive guilds stopped playing in legion, cost of raiding become too high that it no longer worth it |
| 20:52.48 | [TOM_RUS] | nevcairiel: you can't count other sources as alternative if your primary source is capped, while other sources isn't |
| 20:53.29 | nevcairiel | WQs that you detest so much are also capped, eventually there just are none anymore |
| 20:54.03 | [TOM_RUS] | they respawn every few hours |
| 20:54.19 | [TOM_RUS] | raid resets weekly and rewards barely any AP at all |
| 20:54.29 | nevcairiel | at the end of the week however there is still only a limited number of WQs you can do |
| 20:54.30 | [TOM_RUS] | and m+ is completely uncapped |
| 20:56.09 | [TOM_RUS] | and those wq's that you can do over a week still reward much more AP than completing a raid |
| 20:57.49 | [TOM_RUS] | blizzard even nerfed AP from old raids when new raids released, but not from WQ's or M+ |
| 20:57.57 | [TOM_RUS] | logic... |
| 21:00.35 | mukunda | i agree that i didnt like how legion went, like, before i could just log on to raid, but in legion i had to do upkeep, especially at the start to keep ahead those few % on my weapon for mythic |
| 21:00.44 | mukunda | but off topic ._. |
| 21:01.26 | nevcairiel | i hated how many other expansions degraded to just logging on to raid and nothing whatsoever to do outside of it |
| 21:01.49 | nevcairiel | and "something to do" also needs to have some sort of meaning to it, ie. rewards |
| 21:01.55 | [TOM_RUS] | i'm perfectly ok with just logging for a raid |
| 21:01.57 | mukunda | i got tons of shit for my weapon being a few levels lower than the others; sure it didnt -really- matter, but people would still complain to you about it |
| 21:02.15 | mukunda | and theres still stuff to do, but you just need to figure out what rather than legion feeding you |
| 21:03.33 | mukunda | and maybe it did matter sometimes, like on chronomatic anomaly i was almost kicked from the raid for not having enough stamina |
| 21:03.49 | [TOM_RUS] | most of the time it's not raiders who complain about lack of content, but casuals that aren't good enough to access all available content |
| 21:05.05 | [TOM_RUS] | so give them something and don't fucking touch raiders |
| 21:06.02 | mukunda | yea.. we're happy with our x hour grind every week in the instance x) |
| 21:07.00 | mukunda | even if there isnt something to do, and you dont have any friends on currently to goof around with, you can always ... do something aside from wow |
| 21:07.02 | [TOM_RUS] | raiders only complain if raids last too long, but that's wasn't a case in legion, may be raids were a bit short even... |
| 21:08.40 | mukunda | probably due to massive scaling problems where the designers will have a nightmare balancing things with such a vast gear range |
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| 21:39.33 | mukunda | this bnet stuff is really confusing... bnetIDGameAccount, bnetIDAcount |
| 21:57.10 | foxlit | one battle.net account can own multiple wow accounts, and those multiple wow accounts can be logged in at the same time. |
| 22:21.44 | mukunda | right, i mainly mean that these arent unique ids |
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| 22:22.43 | A-KO | omg |
| 22:22.46 | A-KO | it's so nice having my PC again |
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| 22:24.16 | mukunda | that helps me to understand it though, so bnetIDGameAccount are per wow account (and thats why BNSendGameData uses that one, so you can target a character) |
| 22:24.29 | mukunda | and bnetIDAccount is what whispers use since theyre global |
| 22:28.30 | mukunda | i hope i have this right... BNGetFriendInfo is for querying the basic data (which only has one game), and then BNGetFriendGameAccountInfo is to get all of their game accounts theyre currently running |
| 22:35.14 | pompy | A-KO: what did you do with your pc to begin with? |
| 22:36.08 | Justwait | <[TOM_RUS]> raiders only complain if raids last too long, but that's wasn't a case in legion, may be raids were a bit short even... |
| 22:36.15 | Justwait | with exception of ToS. |
| 22:37.06 | Justwait | ToV, NH and Antorus were all great in terms of 'lenght' |
| 22:44.04 | A-KO | pompy: the cpu cooler died |
| 22:44.08 | A-KO | but, I've got a replacemtn now |
| 22:44.08 | A-KO | so |
| 22:44.11 | A-KO | it's all good |
| 22:45.39 | mukunda | i wonder if `faction` from BNGetFriendGameAccountInfo is localized :/ |
| 22:49.49 | nevcairiel | Torhal: i'm trying to use some curseforge api webservice call (importing localization to be precise), and all i'm getting is 500 errors, who do i talk to about that? |
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| 23:00.33 | nevcairiel | well i made a ticket just in case |
| 23:00.48 | nebula | probably would he would have said anyway :p |
| 23:00.55 | nebula | what he* |
| 23:03.46 | nevcairiel | i should probably change my script to just export strings for the time being, dont really expect quick resolution |
| 23:04.55 | nevcairiel | and the new website is full of anti-scripting shit with csrf tokens left and right =p |
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