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| 00:37.38 | TentacledOne | TheDanW: I can't wait to see what you've done. :) |
| 00:45.51 | Simca | guess retail WoW doesn't need allied race music |
| 00:46.31 | Simca | 26755 is live with bug intact, https://paste2.org/BsVIICZd |
| 01:32.42 | TheDanW | Chipzz: i fixed it for upcoming beta build |
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| 04:43.52 | Gethe_ | TheDanW: I found a really odd interaction with SetHorizTile when using SetTexCoord where it seems to rotate the final texture. I made a simple repro script: https://hastebin.com/siniyonuzo.bash |
| 04:51.00 | TheDanW | Gethe_: the tiling flags aren't very intuitive, if you ask it to tile you're basically giving up all texture coord control, as that's what it uses to tile |
| 04:51.25 | TheDanW | using repeat wrap mode and then setting your own texture coords is probably the way to go |
| 04:51.52 | Gethe_ | ah ok |
| 04:51.55 | Gethe_ | thanks |
| 04:52.36 | Gethe_ | it was just wierd cuz this only came up just recently |
| 04:52.57 | Gethe_ | on beta that is |
| 04:53.10 | TheDanW | i don't think anything has changed with the way tiling works |
| 04:56.20 | Mr_Rabies | i blame directx 12, recode the ui to only work in Glide imo |
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| 10:19.46 | VIad | I wonder how dx12 games that use exclusive fullscreen work differently than wow version for fullscreen. is dx12 incapable of exclusive fullscreen? if so has to mean dx12 just changed how it works and made exclusive fullscreen option obscolete :) |
| 10:24.51 | nevcairiel | On windows 10, the only platform where dx12 works, you dont really need fullscreen exclusive mode, since proper windowed fullscreen has all the same benefits |
| 10:25.28 | AcidWeb | on paper |
| 10:25.44 | nevcairiel | actually on the screen, you should not print your games |
| 10:26.13 | AcidWeb | i got 60 pages per second printer |
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| 11:40.34 | VIad | in legion I experienced huge performance loss compared to exclusive fullscreen. this appears to not be a issue in dx12 bfa edition (except early alpha that didnt properly support the new dx12 "fullscreen" option) |
| 11:41.11 | VIad | seems they fix issues related to exclusive fullscreen and not in bfa build that you had in legion so I am not too worried |
| 11:42.22 | VIad | I hope the new communities will work cross faction too if you make a wow community. |
| 11:42.57 | VIad | since you got more game specific communities, and more general communities cross platforms |
| 11:44.48 | VIad | if anything it would be very cool if you could take your guild and like, force hook it up to a community instead, and make a more cross realm guild system and just force the guilds to use that channel for communication instead |
| 11:45.00 | VIad | so if you /g you would auto type into the community the guild is hooked up to instead |
| 11:45.21 | VIad | you'd only use the guild for ranks, gbank stuff at this point |
| 11:50.35 | Chipzz | VIad: I would be happy if the game had some common sense and remembered the /g in the guild tab so I don't have to type it once every time I log in |
| 11:50.50 | Chipzz | same for other tabs like /raid etc |
| 11:51.58 | Chipzz | especially for the instance/party/raid tab, annoying as hell when you forget, try to say sth to the party and you accidently type with /say :S |
| 11:55.56 | nevcairiel | thats trivial for an addon to fix, anyway |
| 11:56.09 | nevcairiel | VIad: wow communities are character based, they are not cross-faction |
| 11:56.36 | nevcairiel | wow communities are for ingame things, you couldn't really do anything with other faction players ingame |
| 11:56.47 | nevcairiel | if you want to just talk, make a b.net community, they also show up ingame |
| 12:03.32 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: but it shouldn't be up to an addon to fix, should just work by default IMO |
| 12:04.07 | Chipzz | I see very little reason not to do so by default, feels like a bug more than a lack of feature to me |
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| 12:06.50 | VIad | reason for a faction mixed community would be to be able to see just ingame stuff, events, chats, easier. so if you do have some guildies on their hordies they would still be part of the stuff going on, would only have to log their ally characters to participate |
| 12:07.45 | VIad | dont the default UI btw have sticky chats? |
| 12:08.01 | VIad | thought they added that a while ago. maybe not at login but during the session. |
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| 12:09.43 | nevcairiel | VIad: you can easily just make a b.net community for your guild if you want to be able to participate across all your characters |
| 12:09.53 | VIad | would be cool if the general purpose communities just hybridly acted like wow communitieis while logged in wow, and so on with the other games .) |
| 12:10.13 | nevcairiel | wow communities are more for more loose groups were you may only want to be in with one char |
| 12:10.32 | nevcairiel | like one might imagine a huge cross-realm PUG community |
| 12:10.42 | VIad | we got our old realm with tons of alts, and new realm with tons of mains. wanted to make a community for it but with the wow benefits like calendar and such |
| 12:11.03 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: but that would imply handing over your b.net tag to the GM/Officers, which some people are very unconfortable with doing |
| 12:11.33 | VIad | yeah would be better if you could connect guild to a community and force the guild members to use it instead of communications and such |
| 12:11.40 | VIad | kind of phase away the old guild chat system |
| 12:11.45 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: some people have alts they want to play to be away from guild obligations some times etc |
| 12:11.59 | nevcairiel | maybe their guild sucks if it makes them feel like they have to hide =p |
| 12:12.16 | Chipzz | or maybe they're just introverts who appreciate private time? |
| 12:12.37 | VIad | atm people add each other on bnet to make it easier to play cross realms and guilds |
| 12:12.45 | VIad | so I just hope communities gets rid of that thing |
| 12:12.51 | VIad | my bnet is kind of getting full |
| 12:13.23 | VIad | github bought by microsoft? |
| 12:13.25 | nevcairiel | if you have those people on b.net anyway you might as well shove them into a b.net community |
| 12:13.45 | Chipzz | VIad: welcome to last week :P |
| 12:13.56 | VIad | been too busy working and havent readm uch new |
| 12:14.13 | VIad | was it 10k repos per hour moved away from github |
| 12:14.21 | Chipzz | VIad: and they also managed to bring it down within the first 3 days of acquisition ;P |
| 12:14.28 | VIad | I wonder why and what microsoft plans to do with github |
| 12:14.59 | Chipzz | they say they care about developers - but I wonder how deluded they are to think that developers also care about them |
| 12:15.35 | VIad | I know they have taken steps to be more open source friendly, opposite of what steve balmer said back in his days |
| 12:16.00 | VIad | would hope for more trendy changes how microsoft does things |
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| 12:47.12 | Tentacled | Oo, tooltip on quest blobs doesn't adjust in size - https://i.imgur.com/CXnTCGh.png |
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| 12:51.33 | nevcairiel | there were a lot of tooltip changes in the last build, i assumed it was due to that |
| 13:49.38 | VIad | Tentacled: seen that behavior like 2 or 3 weeks now |
| 13:50.02 | nimhfree | did live 26755 come down today? |
| 13:56.05 | Industrial | Hi. I made a Lua syntax error, and I can't spot it :S https://gist.github.com/Industrial/73383795a7c88db14dbaca1225a5f804 |
| 13:57.13 | Industrial | It's on line 22 |
| 13:57.23 | Industrial | oh,right. |
| 13:57.25 | nebula | function UnitFramesModule.size.setWidth = |
| 13:58.02 | Industrial | yeah removed the function there, thanks |
| 13:58.24 | Industrial | And it works too, helper functions \o/ |
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| 14:03.26 | VIad | poll: CamelCase -or- camelCase? |
| 14:08.23 | VIad | CC seems to be most popular when I read bfa UI code by blizz, and cC used for storing variables on tables probably just to differenciate between other functions |
| 14:13.00 | VIad | this is a bit odd... does this refer to AuroraUI or? :P https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/SharedBasicControls.lua#77 |
| 14:14.45 | VIad | just haven't noticed LogAuroraClient before and it's odd how it's called if not nil by the error mixin |
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| 14:25.39 | nevcairiel | its probably some internal tool |
| 14:33.26 | nebula | VIad: functions are capitalized, vars are not, pretty common convention |
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| 15:59.55 | Sapu94 | Sorry if I missed it - don't have access to my typical bouncer which is lurking in here, but seems like GetAutoCompleteRealms() is busted since the maintenance this morning? |
| 16:00.46 | Chipzz | VIad: and mixins (which could be considered an equivalent of classes) are also CC |
| 16:01.23 | VIad | Chipzz: technically it's just all tables though isn't it? :D |
| 16:01.45 | Chipzz | yeah, sure, but on a conceptual level they're like classes |
| 16:02.08 | VIad | I do have a mixin question though, so the base mixins functions are just referenced from whatever the mixin is applied to, both from xml and the Mixin() |
| 16:02.25 | VIad | but if you hooksecurefunc the base mixin, you won't hook the "copies" |
| 16:02.34 | nevcairiel | it basically works just how we did embedded library mixin |
| 16:02.42 | nevcairiel | it just copies the function refs into your table |
| 16:02.57 | nevcairiel | if you hook the base before someone uses it, then your hook will be everywhere |
| 16:03.00 | Chipzz | mixin is very simple, you have 2 tables, the widget and the mixin, everything from the mixin (whatever that is) gets added to the widget |
| 16:03.10 | nevcairiel | if you hook it afterwards, you wont get into it |
| 16:03.19 | VIad | yeah so I do have to hook before, can be hard with baseline mixins that load before addons |
| 16:03.23 | Chipzz | if that thing happens to be sth you can call as a "method", than so be it |
| 16:03.45 | Chipzz | it simply depends on how you write your mixin |
| 16:03.55 | nevcairiel | hooks are not really "magic", it basically just replaces the function with a different one that has the hook attached |
| 16:04.20 | VIad | at first was just thinking how to hook blizzards own mixins where they are used in the default UI to do stuff afterwards on the cloned objects :D |
| 16:04.39 | nevcairiel | most of the time you probably c ant do that, you would just hook the finished objects instead |
| 16:04.44 | nevcairiel | or in some cases both |
| 16:04.47 | VIad | I guess the current strategy to iterate and post-hook the objects that load before my addon as the only way |
| 16:05.02 | Chipzz | yeah, it's a one-time copy |
| 16:05.05 | Sapu94 | https://imgur.com/a/ylkxNDP :( |
| 16:05.30 | Sapu94 | (since this morning's maintenance) |
| 16:06.46 | nevcairiel | surprise: your realm got disconnected |
| 16:07.24 | VIad | I also found out non-connected realms might have several servers for offload that aren't part of the known list of realm names :D |
| 16:07.52 | VIad | UnitGUID dumping on Ravencrest reveals at least 1 more server ID that's not the main server. just fun stuff. |
| 16:08.36 | Sapu94 | or blizzard created a new realm called "" :P |
| 16:09.02 | Sapu94 | and "a" |
| 16:09.04 | VIad | probably not in your case :x |
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| 16:22.57 | VIad | would there have been a significant performance hit if mixins used metatables to refer to their baseline functions (so if you defined functions with the same name you'd overwrite, otherwise fallback to the original function) |
| 16:23.13 | VIad | just curious if that would even be usefull though, probably not. |
| 16:25.35 | nevcairiel | the only "advantage" would be that you can hook into the base, dont think the added complexity and calling overhead makes it worth it |
| 16:26.21 | nevcairiel | you would also get into complexity issues if you have multiple mixins in one object |
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| 17:07.59 | Industrial | Hi. I have included LibSharedMedia-3.0 with my addon (idTweaks) and I have unit frames now (http://prntscr.com/ju4n10). I'd like to use LibSharedMedia to provide fonts and statusbar textures to use, but I'm not sure how. What I would like is to have a dropdown where you can preview the textures. |
| 17:08.54 | MuffinPvEHero | @TheDanW You might already be aware - but the GetAutoCompleteRealms() API seems to have broken in today's maintenance. |
| 17:08.55 | MuffinPvEHero | https://i.imgur.com/IqpgBZP.png |
| 17:09.35 | Industrial | Do I use :HashTable(mediatype) |
| 17:09.44 | Chipzz | MuffinPvEHero: @nick is twitter-speak; use "Nick: " :) |
| 17:10.14 | MuffinPvEHero | lol habit from Discord |
| 17:10.16 | MuffinPvEHero | sorry |
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| 17:20.10 | Ellypse | UnitFullName("player") no longer returns the realm name either apparently (I got a bug report from a user). The realm name is required to use my addon, so its completely broken today ^_^ |
| 17:23.42 | foxlit | UnitFullName has always been an abomination that doesn't even work for the one purpose it was designed for :/ |
| 17:27.29 | Ellypse | Yeah, I have it wait for player login events before trying to get info from it |
| 17:30.00 | nevcairiel | if you really need the realm of the local player, why not specifically ask for that info |
| 17:30.29 | foxlit | does something else return it in that form? |
| 17:30.44 | nevcairiel | not sure what form that is exactly, but GetRealmName is a thing anyway |
| 17:32.25 | Ellypse | It returns a version with spaces, brackets and everything. I could have some custom function to get a version formatted for unit ID but I can already see the edge cases and UnitFullName used to work perfectly. |
| 17:32.46 | nevcairiel | UnitFullName just worked this second on live for me tho |
| 17:33.02 | Ellypse | Apparently after a /reload it works but not on first launch |
| 17:33.03 | foxlit | I thought GRN returned the pretty version, while UFN returned the ConcatenatedForChatOmittingStrangeCharacters version. |
| 17:33.13 | nevcairiel | so does GetAutoCompleteRealms() for that matter |
| 17:33.31 | Ellypse | Maybe they already fixed it? |
| 17:33.35 | nevcairiel | (this was initial login, too) |
| 17:34.42 | Ellypse | Or it might be only on some specific servers? |
| 17:35.33 | nevcairiel | maybe its only broken on US |
| 17:36.17 | Ellypse | Well yeah, " in today's maintenance" :P |
| 17:36.34 | nevcairiel | the same patch was applied to the EU tho |
| 17:36.51 | Ellypse | But no maintenance and no realm restarted |
| 17:37.22 | Alram | serverside updates for US happened 2.5h ago |
| 17:38.31 | nevcairiel | UnitFullname still works on US tho |
| 17:39.15 | Alram | guess it might be a serverside thing then? |
| 17:39.27 | Alram | since EU realms are still on the older version on the server end |
| 17:39.34 | Alram | but this sounds very much clientside |
| 17:39.50 | nevcairiel | the info has to come from the server |
| 17:40.23 | Alram | then its probably fixed tomorrow for EU as well i guess |
| 17:40.41 | Alram | but idk MuffinPvEHero is in the US i think sooo whonose |
| 17:40.49 | Alram | his stuff also broke |
| 17:41.12 | nevcairiel | US are beta testers anyways |
| 17:41.22 | Alram | good guy americans |
| 17:41.31 | Alram | beta testing everything from wow to presidents |
| 17:41.44 | Ellypse | I have people reporting to me that it doesn't work for them, but it work for me and for you. So I guess it's fair to say that there is an issue, but it only affects some people |
| 17:42.19 | MuffinPvEHero | lol |
| 17:42.24 | MuffinPvEHero | ya US |
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| 17:50.17 | Industrial | I got a L120 item at L111 :o |
| 17:50.34 | Industrial | Nazmani Golem's Greathelm |
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| 17:53.30 | Ellypse | Hmm, so it seems the info is no longer available after ADDON_LOADED. I added an ugly C_Timer.After(1) to call my init function later and the info from UnitFullName("player") are available then (hopefully) |
| 17:53.40 | Ellypse | It doesn't explain the auto complete function issue |
| 17:54.20 | nevcairiel | didnt you say something about waiting for login events anyway, addon_loaded is before that =p |
| 17:56.44 | TheDanW | i'll take a look, thanks for the heads up |
| 17:57.30 | TheDanW | UnitFullName has never been guaranteed to work by ADDON_LOADED, it's just very likely it would - it's a race condition |
| 17:58.36 | nevcairiel | PLAYER_LOGIN or maybe even PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD is probably safer for that |
| 17:59.27 | Ellypse | Iâm using AceAddon so itâs checking more events I think |
| 17:59.46 | nevcairiel | OnEnable is PLAYER_LOGIN, OnInitialize is ADDON_LOADED |
| 17:59.49 | nevcairiel | its really all thats to it |
| 18:00.11 | Ellypse | So I meant player_login then :) |
| 18:03.02 | Ellypse | It worked since MoP for every user, so I guess we were winning that race until todayâs maintenance that changed something somewhere :P |
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| 18:40.10 | Industrial | What was the function for DevTools Debug again? to print a table |
| 18:41.11 | nevcairiel | DevTools_Dump |
| 18:41.59 | Industrial | ah right thanks |
| 18:43.57 | Chipzz | this may be a stupid question, but I'm not sure I've seen an answer to this yet... What happens in the pre-patch wrt artifacts? If I understand correctly, there's a quest where you hand them in, but is there anything forcing you to do that? Can you just ignore that quest? |
| 18:44.13 | Chipzz | And can you still obtain new artifacts on alts after prepatch? |
| 18:44.18 | Industrial | nevcairiel, uh, this isn't the addon DevTools right? It's built in now? I don't have a function named DevTools_Dump |
| 18:45.31 | nevcairiel | Chipzz: leveling experience is unchanged, just when you hit max level |
| 18:46.19 | nevcairiel | Industrial: make sure the blizzard addon that has it is actually loaded? |
| 18:46.33 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.47 | nevcairiel | DevTools_Dump is definitely part of Blizzard_DebugTools |
| 18:47.08 | nevcairiel | maybe you typoed it then =p |
| 18:47.17 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: but I'm unclear on why I can't just say, screw this stupid quest, I'm keeping my artifact. What's stopping me from doing that? |
| 18:47.18 | Industrial | I only have BugGrabber, BugSack and idTweaks loaded |
| 18:47.41 | Industrial | oh hmm, maybe I did |
| 18:48.11 | nevcairiel | Chipzz: you'll keep it anyway but the traits just get turned off, i reckon it'll somehow force you eventually, or maybe right away (or you know, just turn them off anyway) |
| 18:48.33 | nevcairiel | we wont know exactly until the PTR, on beta you start with it turned off =p |
| 18:49.06 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: so the reason I don't know is that no information has been released about it, not that I missed it? :) |
| 18:50.06 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 18:50.31 | nevcairiel | we know that there will be a quest that drains the power to heal azeroth and that you keep the weapon and the ilvl, just not the traits |
| 18:50.43 | Chipzz | ok. slightly frustrating since I'm leevling alts to get the artifacts (and bonusses/mounts etc) before prepatch |
| 18:50.57 | nevcairiel | i would imagine it gets immediately turned off once 8.0 lands, everything else would be weird |
| 18:52.20 | [TOM_RUS] | "Thanks for the feedback. While we have to limit the SendAddonMessageLogged to UTF-8 that is viewable in WoW, we are adding a CHAT_MSG_ADDON_LOGGED event." what |
| 18:52.22 | Industrial | nevcairiel, The Blizzard_DebugTools is loaded when you use /dump but not on login. This means I can't use it in my addons :-( I'd have to trigger /dump and then my addon functionality every /reload |
| 18:52.49 | nevcairiel | you could just load the addon |
| 18:53.16 | Chipzz | Industrial: you could ## RequiredDep: or LoadAddon it |
| 18:53.20 | Industrial | I'm using the blizzard loader; it doesn't show the blizzard addons. Is there one for 8.0 that works? |
| 18:53.23 | Industrial | Chipzz, ooh, ok |
| 18:53.38 | nevcairiel | yeah just put LoadAddOn("Blizzard_DebugTools") somewhere or something |
| 18:53.45 | Chipzz | actually not 100% if RequiredDep works for LoadOnDemand addons |
| 18:53.52 | nevcairiel | it should |
| 18:57.48 | Chipzz | TheDanW: thanks for the fix to SimpleHTML! #nobetaclub here unfortunately so can't test yet |
| 19:01.18 | Industrial | nevcairiel, I did something wrong with LibSharedMedia; https://prnt.sc/ju63jg |
| 19:01.46 | Industrial | I just did `values = function() return LibSharedMedia:HashTable('statusbar') end` |
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| 19:03.10 | Industrial | oh, I see, AceOptions reverses it. |
| 19:03.26 | nevcairiel | its meant to be used with LSM-Widgets tho |
| 19:03.49 | nevcairiel | https://www.wowace.com/projects/ace-gui-3-0-shared-media-widgets |
| 19:04.00 | nevcairiel | then you actualyl get a visual representaiton of the texture etc |
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| 19:18.01 | Industrial | oh <3 |
| 19:18.08 | Industrial | that's exactly what I was looking for |
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| 19:24.57 | Industrial | http://prntscr.com/ju6eud |
| 19:25.10 | Industrial | dope, 7 mins lol :D |
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| 21:44.31 | Torhal | Interesting. The realm/name thing is happening to me, as well. |
| 21:44.34 | Torhal | foxlit: 2x OPie\Meta\RingKeeper.lua:438: attempt to concatenate local 'realm' (a nil value) |
| 21:45.28 | Simca_ | new build hit servers literally 1 min ago, may fix issue |
| 21:46.18 | Torhal | A reload made it work. |
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| 22:08.22 | nevcairiel | did they re-add the sounds Simca_? :d |
| 22:08.29 | Simca_ | no |
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| 23:39.31 | Industrial | Can I decide wether a unitframe needs an AdditionalPower bar based on the UnitClass(unit)? Or should I have three bars on all unit frames? |
| 23:40.14 | nevcairiel | you should obviously hide it when its not needed |
| 23:40.19 | nevcairiel | but you can usually decide based on the spec |
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