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| 00:14.11 | Chipzz | TheDanW: I know I'm bothering you a lot today, but one more separate thing. What I was trying to build before SimpleHTML started crashing on me was build an API Browser (so basically a more user-friendly version of the /api commands). It would be nice if I could take over the handling of api: links, but AFAIK that's hard-coded in SetItemRef. Any option to removed the hardcodig frmo SetItemRef? I was think |
| 00:14.18 | Chipzz | ing removing it there, moving the slash command functionality in a separate add-on which could hook SetItemRef and having the actual documentation in a seperate addon possibly? although there could be other solutions too I guess... |
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| 00:19.31 | Chipzz | good suggestion :) |
| 00:20.37 | nevcairiel | one future expansion I wish we get pluggable link handlers |
| 00:21.03 | Chipzz | I'm actually surprised noone has beaten me to that idea. Not very hard to do. Modulo SimpleHTML bugginess, that is :P |
| 00:21.18 | foxlit | Chipzz: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_APIDocumentation |
| 00:21.51 | nevcairiel | there are some projects that add a gui |
| 00:22.11 | Chipzz | nice :) |
| 00:22.38 | nevcairiel | https://github.com/Gethe/wow-api-docs is also a thing, no clue how it looks though, never really wanted this to be in-game |
| 00:22.50 | Chipzz | (foxlits link, that is) |
| 00:23.47 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: yeah, in-game isn't the ideal place. but it's a fun little project :) |
| 00:24.22 | Chipzz | you're still writing the code in an editor outside of the game |
| 00:25.59 | TheDanW | i've wanted to make link handling more like a signal/slot system for some time, no idea when i'll get the time :) |
| 00:27.26 | Chipzz | TheDanW: other question: why are the spells in the pet combat log links, but not the spells in the normal combat log? and could the spells in the normal combat log be made into links? |
| 00:27.49 | TheDanW | your guess is as good as mine |
| 00:28.14 | Thunder_Child | Ideally your guess would be better.... |
| 00:28.40 | Chipzz | that would be a HUGE quality of life increase IMO. |
| 00:28.54 | Chipzz | s/increase/improvement/ |
| 00:28.58 | TheDanW | i'd blame Guill, especially since he's not in here |
| 00:29.28 | Chipzz | TheDanW: would patches to add links to the normal combat log be accepted? |
| 00:31.53 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: he seems to like _G. quite a bit. not sure why that's needed though |
| 00:32.38 | nevcairiel | some people like using it to clearly indicate a global lookup, its just personal style |
| 00:32.53 | Chipzz | or a lack thereof :D |
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| 00:54.33 | Torhal | slaps Chipzz around a bit with _G. |
| 01:06.18 | TheDanW | you can probably avoid the crash by hiding the simple html frame before you settext |
| 01:06.42 | TheDanW | or just not using it |
| 01:06.48 | Chipzz | TheDanW: if this would help, 93E82360-7DB8-4CCD-A7DC-0D57D0B80B76 is the id of a crash that just happend (on my own laptop) |
| 01:06.51 | TheDanW | that's probably what i'd recommend |
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| 01:08.14 | Chipzz | I'ld recommend making SimpleHTML into an intrinsic. Seems like a good candidate |
| 01:32.51 | Semlar | what is SimpleHTML |
| 01:35.43 | TheDanW | if you have to ask that question you're not ready for simple html |
| 01:36.41 | Semlar | it sounds like something that would definitely break the game if i tried to use it |
| 01:39.08 | Semlar | i have literally never heard anyone make a reference to this or seen it used for anything, has it really been in the game for more than 10 years |
| 01:39.30 | foxlit | yes. |
| 01:39.36 | Semlar | but why |
| 01:40.12 | Chipzz | would I be a total idiot if I were to say that I would kill for a GetURL function that only works out of combat (one that works in combat is obviously out of the question, but not sure if it's that harmfull out of combat. except maybe for gathering?) |
| 01:40.58 | Chipzz | Semlar: Quest dialogs use it, so you use it on a daily basis :) |
| 01:41.20 | Semlar | show me a frame that uses this |
| 01:41.21 | Chipzz | mail also does |
| 01:43.01 | foxlit | text rendering in mail, Semlar. |
| 01:43.37 | foxlit | http://townlong-yak.com/framexml/go/OpenMailBodyText |
| 01:44.55 | Semlar | i don't understand what this offers over just using font strings |
| 01:45.07 | Chipzz | simplicity |
| 01:45.15 | foxlit | It spares you from having to set up fontstring layout |
| 01:45.20 | Chipzz | not having to brew your own |
| 01:45.23 | Semlar | it supports an extremely limited number of html tags and html isn't used anywhere else in the interface |
| 01:45.41 | Semlar | it seems out of place |
| 01:46.09 | Chipzz | actually again, html is used in the quest dialogs ;P |
| 01:46.16 | Chipzz | but I kinda get your point |
| 01:46.20 | foxlit | questchoice is something else. |
| 01:46.46 | Chipzz | but regardless, it was a reasonable fit for what I was trying to do |
| 01:47.05 | foxlit | (the normal thing people think of as quests is basically the gossip infrastructure, which *is* pretty much just a fonstring in a scroll frame) |
| 01:47.13 | Semlar | they appear to load an external html file with it here https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/c9d5cf53f3165beb2850dfde793d531e4b9dbaec/Interface/GlueXML/CreditsFrame.xml#L327 |
| 01:47.14 | Chipzz | FrameXML/ItemTextFrame.xml |
| 01:47.21 | Semlar | which makes some sense |
| 01:47.39 | Chipzz | but that's not quest idd |
| 01:48.39 | Semlar | i'm gonna be honest, i wrote an addon that automatically accepts quests within a year of starting the game and haven't turned it off since |
| 01:49.01 | Semlar | so saying it's used in quest dialogs doesn't really do much for me |
| 01:50.06 | foxlit | the frame you picked your [first/second/etc] artifact weapon in. |
| 01:50.27 | Semlar | it looks like they support hyperlink events, so i could see it useful for that |
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| 01:51.05 | Chipzz | Semlar: I was planning on using it like a limited mini-browser |
| 01:51.24 | Chipzz | Semlar: but so do FontStrings I think |
| 01:52.09 | Semlar | "hyperlinks cannot be colored a different color" |
| 01:52.14 | Chipzz | the OnHyperlink scripts just run on the FontStrings parent Frame instead of on the FontString |
| 01:52.52 | Chipzz | Semlar: yes, but you can use the FontString syntax for links too instead of <a href="..."></a> |
| 01:53.13 | Semlar | seems like that would pretty much defeat the purpose of using an html string |
| 01:53.15 | Chipzz | so you can get diferently colored links that way |
| 01:54.12 | Chipzz | you just do that for the speical cases where you need diff color and use <a> everywhere else? :) |
| 01:54.32 | foxlit | Semlar: simplehtml's image support predates |T probably by around a decade. |
| 01:54.50 | Semlar | doesn't the game have the ability to render entire html documents with its built-in browser |
| 01:54.55 | Chipzz | but that's basically there because lots of places in the API return it that way and by allowing that you don't have to first convert to a <a> tag |
| 01:54.59 | Chipzz | which would be silly |
| 01:55.32 | foxlit | the built-in browser is also more than a decade newer than the widget, and frankly always seems to look terrible. |
| 01:55.32 | Chipzz | Semlar: yes, but the built-in browser only allows a number (around 40) of preset URLs |
| 01:55.47 | Chipzz | Semlar: that doesn't allow arbitrary HTML nor arbitrary URLs |
| 01:56.17 | Semlar | yes i'm aware we can't actually use it, but the ui evidently has the ability to render html |
| 01:57.00 | Chipzz | I'm gonna guess they embed webkit or sth other engine, so you don't want to instantiate a Browser object unless *really* needed |
| 01:57.15 | Semlar | they should just turn the game into an electron app |
| 01:57.22 | Chipzz | SimpleHTML is a LOT more lightweight than ghtat |
| 01:57.32 | Semlar | then we can all write addons in javascript |
| 01:58.12 | Chipzz | but I would seriously kill for a GetURL function out of combat |
| 01:58.24 | Chipzz | grab data from wowhead and display in-game |
| 01:58.36 | foxlit | Chipzz: why do you think it would be unreasonable in combat? |
| 01:58.40 | Semlar | i'm gonna go out on a limb here and say they are never goign to allow addons to make web requests at any point |
| 01:59.30 | Chipzz | foxlit: ability to transmit data out of the sandbox which could theoretically be used to coordinate large raids |
| 01:59.31 | Semlar | you can't even write data to the disk in realtime |
| 01:59.47 | Chipzz | foxlit: but basically: the ability to break out of the sandbox |
| 02:00.29 | foxlit | emphasis on *out*: it's not like you can actually do anything. |
| 02:00.40 | Chipzz | Semlar: yeah I'm afraid of that too... but one can dream :P |
| 02:01.24 | Chipzz | foxlit: the remote URL could be CGI so could get data back in to teh sandbox too |
| 02:01.40 | foxlit | combat lockdown should prevent your addon from doing anything useful with incoming information |
| 02:02.19 | Chipzz | in theory, assuming they haven't overlooked a function |
| 02:02.34 | Chipzz | which I guess is why they don't allow it (just in case) |
| 02:03.11 | foxlit | that seems like a silly strategy. |
| 02:03.52 | Chipzz | how so? |
| 02:04.07 | foxlit | if it turns out that lockdown isn't doing its job, fix the lockdown. The same argument is basically "better not enable any addons at all, maybe we forgot some bot-enabling API, can never be too safe!" |
| 02:04.10 | Chipzz | remember early days of wow where you could basically do anything? :) |
| 02:06.12 | Chipzz | and then you have addons that just dump data from the web into a lua file and push multiple updates/day :P |
| 02:06.12 | foxlit | (and in general, allowing API flexibility and fixing the lockdown whenever anything came up is how things worked since then) |
| 02:06.21 | Chipzz | what's that mythic score one called again? |
| 02:07.13 | foxlit | Personal opinion: external communication will never happen because it'd enable functionality that is outright toxic, like that mythic score addon. |
| 02:07.36 | Chipzz | that already happened unfortunately |
| 02:07.51 | Chipzz | and they just work around it with hourly updates to their addon |
| 02:08.06 | Chipzz | (might be lower frequency but you get the picture) |
| 02:16.14 | foxlit | Let's put it this way: it's impossible to prevent it completely without killing all addons. However, if maintaining and updating such addons is sufficiently inconvinient, there's less of that sort of thing appears. |
| 02:16.44 | foxlit | s/there's/there's a chance that/ |
| 02:34.44 | foxlit | (then again, maybe that particular addon isn't viewed as that much of a problem, since battle.net API expanded keystone scoreboard visibility instead of purging the thing with cleasing fire) |
| 02:55.44 | Iriel | Thunder_Child: Re: 27K - hell no. |
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| 05:21.18 | Mr_Rabies | and also amazon's favicon randomly changes to twitch (at work, in a non-logged in incognito window, so it's not some kind of weird cache issue with me linking my accounts |
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| 11:50.58 | Shockah | is it safe to assume any info regarding connecting more realms together will appear along with the pre-patch date info? i'd really like to know which realms are getting connected, EU Ghostlands-Dragonblight is pretty much dead :S |
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| 11:56.02 | nevcairiel | i would not assume that those necessarily coincide |
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| 13:32.10 | jinxybob | Trying to test some comms between my addon. The second account is starter. I presume the addon comms channel doesn't work even with /w? |
| 13:37.51 | Shockah | addon comms literally use the chat channels |
| 13:37.56 | Shockah | so nope |
| 13:38.19 | Shockah | i think party chat works on a starter account though? |
| 13:38.40 | Shockah | the non-starter account has to send a party invite though |
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| 13:43.03 | jinxybob | So if I can normal /w it should work? |
| 13:44.11 | jinxybob | Because normal /w works but I know starter can't send to /raid and KB mentions: Whisper your friends <- Character added only (Blizzard and RealID friends will not show and chat won't appear from them) |
| 13:47.15 | Gnarfoz | huh? addon comms use the chat channels since when? he's talking about SendAddonMessage, I assume |
| 13:47.21 | [TOM_RUS]|2 | battle.net chat restriction on starter wow feels weird considering this is only game with such restriction |
| 13:50.30 | jinxybob | Yeah, it looks like you can't use SendAddonMessage at all on starter. |
| 14:08.25 | Andols2 | You can send to raid/party with Sendaddonmessage on a starter edition |
| 14:08.41 | Andols2 | At least last week when I tried :p |
| 14:09.52 | Andols2 | Not sure if RAID autoconverts to PARTY since I didn't try it in a raid group |
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| 14:17.12 | Funkeh` | it does |
| 14:17.44 | Funkeh` | but you need a check for instance groups |
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| 14:47.13 | Ellypse | I donât know what you are doing, but I can assure you starter accounts can use SendAddonMessage, at least in whispers and custom chat channels. Install a RP addon and go to goldshire on an RP realm if you need proof. |
| 14:48.38 | Ellypse | (You might have to burn your eyes after doing that) |
| 14:49.51 | Gnarfoz | risky advice of the day |
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| 14:58.40 | [TOM_RUS] | Stanzilla: it seems that C_LFGList search works when you have group listed |
| 14:59.15 | [TOM_RUS] | so you can do both at same time, just blizz UI can't do that |
| 15:05.56 | Chipzz | TheDanW: I tried adding :Show()/:Hide() around the SimpleHTML:SetText() call, but still crashes. Which TBH didn't surprise me, as the crash didn't happen in :SetText(), it happens in response to mouse movement (the mouse entering the area of a link) |
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| 16:14.43 | Stanzilla | [TOM_RUS]: nice, thanks |
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| 16:57.19 | TheDanW | Chipzz: was worth a shot |
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| 17:37.37 | Ellypse | TheDanW: Hi :) Did you get some time to ask around for having SendAddonMessage via the whisper channel work cross servers, or if that's not possible do you have the reason why? ^^ |
| 17:41.19 | Ssateneth | that sounds very noisy |
| 17:41.35 | Ssateneth | imagine oqueue but on steroids |
| 17:42.00 | Ssateneth | imagine all the addon chatter |
| 17:42.21 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure that's not how the song goes. |
| 17:42.50 | Ssateneth | theres a song? |
| 17:43.14 | foxlit | https://www.google.com/search?q=imagine+all+the |
| 17:43.25 | Ssateneth | huh. well i wasn't doing the song. |
| 17:43.27 | Ellypse | Why would that be anymore noisy than when we didn't have cross server zones and you could send via whispers to people around you anyway? |
| 17:45.38 | Ellypse | And I have seen people try alternatives (have people group with each other and broadcast on raid channel) which ends up being even more noisy (acting like a networking hub instead of a peer to peer switch, having everyone receive messages that are not for them) |
| 17:45.47 | Ssateneth | i think I missed the word "whisper" |
| 17:45.57 | Ssateneth | i was thinking the message would be broadcast EVERYWHERE |
| 17:46.10 | Ellypse | That would be noisy indeed ^^ |
| 17:46.41 | Ssateneth | send a cross realm addon message and every client connected to US region would get the message |
| 17:47.02 | Ellypse | *every client that registered the addon prefix |
| 17:47.08 | Ssateneth | yeah that. |
| 17:47.42 | Ellypse | But still, yeah ^^ I don't need that. I just need P2P communication between people (for displaying RP profiles in CRZ and groups) |
| 17:50.52 | foxlit | don't group channels work in groups? |
| 17:51.00 | Ellypse | They do |
| 17:51.21 | Ellypse | What I need is >>whispers<< ^^ |
| 17:51.47 | foxlit | why? |
| 17:52.14 | Ellypse | I can't ask every roleplayers to group up with each other, especially since some events have more than 40 people |
| 17:53.30 | Ellypse | Also, as I said, sending on group channels acts as a broadcast, the 40 people in raid receive messages intended for 1 person. That's super inneficient, especially when you are sending the RP profile (sometimes 20 messages) of 40+ people. RP profiles use whispers as P2P communication is obviously better |
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| 17:56.57 | foxlit | 20*40*250 -> 200 kB seems rather trivial. |
| 17:57.48 | Ellypse | That's for one profile broadcasted to 40 people. You have 40 people with profiles in the raid. |
| 17:58.47 | foxlit | that number would only be relevant to blizzard, and surely they have sufficiently fat pipes. |
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| 17:59.27 | Ellypse | It's also not secure, it requires workarounds, it takes up ChatThrottleLib bandwidth on reception, and I also sometimes need to send advanced creations which are way bigger |
| 18:00.03 | Ellypse | Or, I could just have proper P2P communication working :) |
| 18:00.24 | TheDanW | Ellypse: almost certainly not for bfa launch |
| 18:00.43 | Ellypse | Okay, thanks :) But it's not a definitive no? |
| 18:03.30 | Ellypse | foxlit: Also the size is one concern, but more importantly, as I said, I can't ask the users to group with each other for every single person they see. There is a lot of "walk up" RP where people spontaneously interact with each other because they saw the other person had an RP profile through the add-on. |
| 18:03.49 | Ellypse | And in bigger events it's just not possible to have groups of more than 40 people anyway. |
| 18:04.06 | foxlit | those seem more compelling reasons, it's just that "groups" sounded weird. |
| 18:09.26 | foxlit | (also YELL/SAY might've been interesting for ambient broadcasts) |
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| 18:16.09 | nevcairiel | Are people in the same crz also in the same custom channel version? |
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| 18:20.11 | Ellypse | No |
| 18:20.34 | Ellypse | Only connected realms share channels (and auctions houses) |
| 18:20.43 | Ellypse | But youâre able to whisper them |
| 18:40.41 | [TOM_RUS] | https://i.imgur.com/ckDq9Gq.jpg nice work blizz, perfect timing for realm crash :D |
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| 19:15.03 | [TOM_RUS] | TheDanW: https://i.imgur.com/qUmh1rq.png bug? |
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| 19:28.14 | TheDanW | [TOM_RUS]: what am i looking at? |
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| 19:46.31 | Ellypse | Hi guys. I hope it's okay to share this here: I'm organizing a beta keys giveaway specifically towards addon devs (I ask to link your project to enter) over on the WoW AddOns Discord server https://discord.gg/J9VUQ5g The server itself has many devs that answer questions to new comers :) |
| 19:48.15 | nevcairiel | its a sad day when addon devs need random giveaways |
| 19:48.23 | nevcairiel | what ever happened to WoWI keys, Cairenn?!? :) |
| 19:49.00 | Ellypse | Yeah, sadly as there are no easy process to get in line as of now, I asked if I could get a giveaway like those high profile streamers. It's better than nothing ^^ |
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| 19:51.12 | [TOM_RUS] | TheDanW: I mean those tmp files that appeared since new build |
| 19:52.08 | Thunder_Child | Hah, your screenshot looked like a diff with identical sides. |
| 19:52.28 | Thunder_Child | I was trying to figure it out as well. |
| 19:52.41 | [TOM_RUS] | not really a diff, just same folder on both sides |
| 19:53.14 | Cairenn | I'm still trying |
| 19:59.42 | zenzelezz | they've had enough of these rascals making addons compatible before release |
| 20:00.53 | Simca_ | I'll poke Setec9 on twitter (politely) about the DBCache stuff. he's a server guy but this is related enough he can pass it on. |
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| 20:54.18 | Elmoe | Ellypse: I'd be interested if you can see any patterns in the add-on devs that still don't have access |
| 20:55.01 | Elmoe | Anecdotally it felt like in recent xpacs the beta keys were given our much more generously and so I kind of just assumed (perhaps erroneously) that add-ons devs were just getting in without the need for special channels |
| 20:55.43 | Andols | I guess i got my access in one of the random waves. Or maybe they can see that i had "addon dev" keys the last 3 betas |
| 20:55.51 | Andols | and added me |
| 20:56.19 | Ellypse | "Known" ones does, even in early stages like alpha when add-on aren't enabled. But since there is no way to "register" oneself as being an add-on developer I don't see how Blizzard could get a list of all the add-on devs. |
| 20:58.08 | Elmoe | Ellypse: good point, Cairenn's lists from past years probably help with that but new devs would be left out |
| 20:58.30 | Ellypse | Elmoe: I don't know what kind of pattern I should be looking for, but since I ask the participants to link their project to enter the giveaway I can give you that list if you want |
| 20:59.26 | Elmoe | Ellypse: not sure either, was just curious if you anything had jumped out to you |
| 21:02.04 | Elmoe | hey can only help me to understand, or point me to documentation, about how loading of libraries works across add-ons? |
| 21:02.31 | Elmoe | My add-on depends on a lib, I package this up in the Libs/ subdir and then load it via LibStub:GetLibrary |
| 21:02.56 | Elmoe | Another add-on includes a lib with the same name and major version, registered in LibStub but it is a different implementation |
| 21:03.24 | Elmoe | When both my add-on and this other add-on are enabled, LibStub seems to give me an instance of the other add-ons lib |
| 21:04.06 | Elmoe | Hopefully that makes sense |
| 21:07.36 | Elmoe | looking at LibStub my guess is that the order in which the add-ons are loading means this other add-on loads second, register the same lib name and major version which overwrites the LibStub reference to the version registered when my add-on loads? |
| 21:10.13 | foxlit | if you notice that something is wrong, the implementor of the library you're using didn't do their job properly |
| 21:11.37 | Elmoe | foxlit: hmm could you help explain that in a little more detail? |
| 21:12.15 | Elmoe | It looks like there are two libraries who register themselves with the same name and major version via LibStub. Which library's implementation is wrong in this case? |
| 21:14.16 | foxlit | whoever wrote theirs second |
| 21:14.32 | Elmoe | Correct, because they should have used a different name and/or major version? |
| 21:14.43 | foxlit | libstub doesn't have a major version concept |
| 21:14.48 | Elmoe | This was my thinking but wanted to verify with those more experienced than me as I'm still an add-on dev newbie |
| 21:14.49 | foxlit | but they should've used a different name |
| 21:15.07 | Elmoe | got it thanks |
| 21:16.12 | Elmoe | whats even more odd is that this other addon basically reimplements base64 |
| 21:16.28 | Elmoe | and I read the implementation and compared it to LibBase64 from Wowace and there are no meaningful improvements I could see in the impl |
| 21:16.52 | Elmoe | so no clue why this author choose to rewrite it in a way that was incompatible and then use the same name with LibStub sigh |
| 21:42.27 | foxlit | you could just increase your minor version until libstub resolves the name to your library instead of theirs. |
| 21:51.51 | Elmoe | foxlit: I'm not sure I follow, both libraries are called LibSub:NewLibrary with the same major and minor |
| 21:52.18 | Elmoe | foxlit: so which library I get when my add-on calls LibStub:GetLibrary is simply which ever lib called LibSub:NewLibrary last and overwrote the reference |
| 22:02.23 | foxlit | so change your newlibrary call to have a higher minor version |
| 22:03.08 | Elmoe | Yeah I'd prefer not to fork LibBase64 just to work around a conflict in some other random addon which clearly did the wrong thing |
| 22:03.22 | Elmoe | This is ckknight's LibBase64 not my own lib |
| 22:03.48 | Elmoe | and the conflicted lib is some new base64 impl used only in tdPetBattleScript |
| 22:04.02 | Elmoe | also I'll admit to some bias as I really find tdPetBattleScript distasteful |
| 22:04.18 | Elmoe | example of the type of add-on that should not exist in my not so humble opinion heh |
| 22:22.59 | Simca_ | i'm surprised it took so long |
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| 22:24.29 | Simca_ | i did a proof of concept of the idea back in 5.1 (slightly different, mine made its own decisions instead of using a script - more like a pet battle AI) but it took until Legion for somebody to actually make something similar |
| 22:25.18 | Elmoe | I just always have to wonder about stuff like that, especially for a purely optional mini-game like pet battles |
| 22:25.52 | Elmoe | At what point does someone just say, why am I even doing this activity if I just want to hit 1 button and have the add-on determine everything for me? |
| 22:26.08 | Elmoe | Reminds me of why secureframes were introduced in the first place |
| 22:26.25 | Simca_ | yeah it would not be hard to break |
| 22:27.08 | Elmoe | I thought the philosophy post 2.0 was that add-ons should not be automated decision making during combat |
| 22:27.09 | foxlit | Elmoe: I don't think anyone actually does NPC pet battles for the challenge. |
| 22:27.29 | Simca_ | that's the rub, pet battles are not combat |
| 22:27.38 | nevcairiel | npc pet battles are just a nuisance that one does for the rewards, whatever they are, not because its that great fun =p |
| 22:28.06 | nevcairiel | in Legion i often did some for the WQ reputation rewards that you got from them, just to have done everything I could to finish this sooner |
| 22:28.26 | nevcairiel | since i cba to figure out pet battles i would look up recommended comps and strategies and follow those |
| 22:28.34 | nevcairiel | so might as well make an addon that tells me what to press |
| 22:28.38 | nevcairiel | or even press it for me :D |
| 22:28.45 | nevcairiel | (although i didnt do that) |
| 22:29.08 | nevcairiel | pet battles are not timing sensitive, worst case the addon just tells you what to do |
| 22:29.14 | nevcairiel | you can never prevent that |
| 22:29.32 | Elmoe | Sure but there is a difference between pre 2.0 decursive/healbot and DBM/bigwigs no? |
| 22:29.46 | foxlit | the difference is that the game cares about raiding integrity. |
| 22:29.48 | nevcairiel | actual combat is time sensitive |
| 22:29.51 | foxlit | and doesn't care about pet battles. |
| 22:30.24 | nevcairiel | an addon that tells you to cast spell X on player Y is quite a bit slower then just smashing one key all the time |
| 22:30.43 | nevcairiel | pet battles .. you can take breaks in those if you wanted to :p |
| 22:30.54 | Elmoe | is there actually no timer in pet battles? |
| 22:30.59 | foxlit | not in PvE ones |
| 22:31.02 | Elmoe | ah |
| 22:31.07 | foxlit | and really, not a meaningful one in PvP ones either |
| 22:31.08 | nevcairiel | so an addon that just makes the button glow that you need to press would be fine |
| 22:31.16 | foxlit | I mean, you're choosing to press one of four buttons. |
| 22:32.17 | foxlit | nevcairiel: well, you could make the *entire pet battle ui* forbidden, and move all of the API into the secure capsule. |
| 22:33.13 | nevcairiel | you could, but this is npc fights, all it needs is a text box that tells you the order to press buttons in, its not like it varies much |
| 22:36.12 | foxlit | yeah, can't stop you from running through a script in your head, but could at least insist that you do *that* yourself instead of pressing x/highlighted buttons. |
| 22:36.20 | foxlit | (does not seem worth it) |
| 22:36.54 | nevcairiel | basically all you can do is make it less and less convenient, since the system is so simple you can never stop it |
| 22:41.35 | foxlit | Simca_: got any accurate battle simulation code? |
| 22:42.12 | Simca_ | super incomplete stuff somewhere maybe |
| 22:42.31 | foxlit | (it might be amusing to have an implementation where you can submit teams + AI logic and have that go through a tournament bracket against others) |
| 22:44.10 | Elmoe | foxlit: robocup but for pet battle tournaments hah |
| 22:44.46 | Elmoe | or I guess rocket league might be a more modern and accurate comparison |
| 22:44.52 | nevcairiel | what ever happened to the SC2 AI thing |
| 22:44.56 | nevcairiel | i never heard of that again |
| 22:45.01 | foxlit | it exists, I think |
| 22:45.16 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: still going I believe |
| 22:45.19 | foxlit | https://deepmind.com/blog/deepmind-and-blizzard-open-starcraft-ii-ai-research-environment/ |
| 22:45.26 | foxlit | https://github.com/Blizzard/s2client-proto |
| 22:45.49 | nevcairiel | yeah that blog post is soon a year old |
| 22:46.35 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: well AIIDE 2018 is this month so maybe they are doing a context again there? |
| 22:46.42 | Elmoe | s/context/contest/ |
| 22:47.18 | Elmoe | yep |
| 22:47.27 | Elmoe | 9th annual SC AI competition at AIIDE '18 |
| 22:48.05 | nevcairiel | 9th already? its not been that many ears |
| 22:48.10 | nevcairiel | years* |
| 22:49.02 | Stanzilla | good idea for the next old god, 9 ears |
| 22:49.13 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: its based on SC1 Brood Wars and not SC2 apparently |
| 22:49.36 | nevcairiel | oh so not using the new API |
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| 22:49.46 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: don't know much about it myself, just reading the conference description |
| 22:50.48 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: it looks like maybe there are two contests, a SC1 AI context that has been going for years and then last year they did the SC2 one? |
| 22:51.32 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: also there is a whole r/sc2ai, cool! |
