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| 00:39.33 | Stanzilla | hey Funkeh` I'm changing my privacy policy |
| 00:39.54 | Funkeh` | don't excite me |
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| 01:28.50 | nebula | he's keeping all your infos and you can't do shit about it |
| 01:30.29 | Stanzilla | yeah, Paul. nothing you can do about that! |
| 02:11.50 | Simca | i like how steam waited to update theirs until the day after |
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| 15:13.53 | Arrowmaster | why the hell does the twitch 'email us' page just give me a support artile without a way to email? |
| 15:16.55 | nevcairiel | isnt that pretty normal, noone wants you to actually email them |
| 15:17.29 | nevcairiel | although i get a simple contact form after i pick out the topic its about |
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| 15:18.48 | Arrowmaster | I dont, I wanted to ask for my old justin.tv account to be recycled so i could use the username |
| 15:19.12 | cogwheel | I tried that but they said they couldn't anymore because Databases |
| 15:20.18 | Arrowmaster | "Legacy justin.tv usernames will eventually be recycled as part of this process." |
| 15:20.23 | Arrowmaster | on the artile they give me |
| 15:23.32 | Arrowmaster | twitch was really stupid when they created twitch and decided to share a user database with justin.tv but not actually share accounts |
| 15:24.02 | Trela | ??? |
| 15:24.12 | Trela | My Justin.tv account moved over to Twitch.tv. |
| 15:24.23 | cogwheel | that was opt-in |
| 15:24.29 | cogwheel | and i didn't notice |
| 15:24.47 | Arrowmaster | i dont have access to the email on my justin.tv account anymore |
| 15:24.49 | cogwheel | actually, i found my email chane where i was very upset about not being able to have my old name, and bitched to one of my friends at twitch. this article is a couple months later |
| 15:24.58 | cogwheel | and it just let me reclaim cogwheel42 |
| 15:25.01 | cogwheel | so i'll accept credit |
| 15:25.02 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:25.39 | Trela | My account moved in without any opt-in process. :O Maybe because it was an API used account? Who knows. |
| 15:25.54 | Arrowmaster | mine probably moved but i cant reset the password |
| 15:26.23 | Trela | What is the account name? |
| 15:26.29 | cogwheel | "Unfortunately, as we have long since passed the cutoff date which allowed users to move their old JTV accounts to Twitch, this account is not able to be recovered and used on Twitch at this time." -- from jul '16 |
| 15:27.48 | Arrowmaster | its just Arrowmaster |
| 15:33.15 | Trela | July 2016 was when Twitch halted any recovery due to the Curse buy out. Lots of tied up names now. :( |
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| 16:32.35 | nevcairiel | so they block the name but then dont let you use it, or what? |
| 16:48.26 | Mr_Rabies | <cogwheel> that was opt-in |
| 16:48.39 | Mr_Rabies | there was an opt-in period, but then eventually they did it to all of them when they shuttered justin.tv |
| 16:48.58 | Mr_Rabies | i thought |
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| 21:48.00 | Gnarfoz | [23:32:40] <nevcairiel> Not sure any half-serious guild I would be looking for uses the ingame tool <-- we're pretty much exactly half-serious and we use it... half of the time! :D |
| 21:48.40 | nebula | Gnarfoz: get any quality recruits with it? |
| 21:49.00 | Gnarfoz | half-quality |
| 21:49.01 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 21:49.29 | Gnarfoz | I don't actually remember which avenue anyone came in through, so I couldn't really say |
| 21:49.38 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:50.08 | nevcairiel | my old guild leader for some reason didnt think it was worthwhile to list our recruitment needs on wowprogress, but i did it anyway, and everytime we asked recruits how they found us |
| 21:50.15 | nevcairiel | he learned better :p |
| 21:50.32 | Gnarfoz | we've used any combination of in-game tool, trade chat spam, realm forum post, wowprogress, and good old fashioned "anyone know anyone?" in the past, and it has kept us just above the waterline |
| 21:51.01 | nevcairiel | make room for a tank spot yet? =p |
| 21:51.18 | Gnarfoz | (wowprogress has been noticeably helpful for us as well) |
| 21:51.59 | Gnarfoz | we've actually not discussed roster for BfA yet at all, except "hopefully some of the baddies will disappear" :D |
| 21:52.06 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:52.41 | nevcairiel | i should bring the discussion up to the small group of people left in my old guild and see what everyone is interested in doing, if that even includes playing :p |
| 21:52.50 | Gnarfoz | I'm certainly open to welcoming competent players who're not massive dicks, allowing them to naturally replace worse people ;p |
| 21:53.14 | nevcairiel | august isnt that extremely far away anymore |
| 21:53.23 | Gnarfoz | that's certainly true |
| 21:55.10 | Gnarfoz | I think I've explained before that we have one dedicated player who's a good tank and communicates well (all of which made us turn to him to fill an officer spot, unsurprisingly), the other tank is not great, doesn't communicate particularly well and only does "just enough" :P |
| 21:55.19 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 21:55.28 | nevcairiel | and you wondered how to get rid of him without being an ass about it :D |
| 21:55.42 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:57.08 | Gnarfoz | I'll certainly remember to bring this up when we get un-lazy and talk about BfA plans |
| 21:57.29 | Gnarfoz | usually that entails making a forum thread and asking everyone "who's going to play, and if so, what" |
| 21:57.46 | nevcairiel | we made a poll thing in google forms or how its called for legion |
| 21:57.47 | Gnarfoz | ...which, this time, is probably dependent on me making the forum usable again :D |
| 21:58.05 | nebula | who needs forums when you have discord, pfft |
| 21:58.31 | Gnarfoz | discord, kek |
| 21:58.43 | Gnarfoz | it may be many things, but it's not a forum ;) |
| 21:58.59 | nebula | you just need more channels, obviously |
| 21:59.08 | nevcairiel | did your guild ever actually use the forum in the last ten years or so? |
| 21:59.15 | Gnarfoz | in the last 10? definitely |
| 21:59.20 | nevcairiel | back in classic or BC, we really did use it a lot |
| 21:59.26 | Gnarfoz | activity has dramatically dropped off, though |
| 21:59.28 | nevcairiel | but somehow it totally died along the w ay |
| 22:00.52 | nevcairiel | in wod and legion the maximum we used it for was for signing up to the guild meetup probably |
| 22:00.54 | Gnarfoz | part of it has been through an active effort on our end to reduce administrative overhead (getting rid of dkp; class leaders and such things); also reduced team size |
| 22:01.41 | Gnarfoz | some things now live in a shared google doc, like which particular way to do certain things in boss encounters (where you have a choice), so we don't end up doing a different thing each week |
| 22:01.44 | nevcairiel | blizzard killed any loot-management overhead now anyway, or at least so i hear |
| 22:02.13 | Gnarfoz | I've actually not kept up with any BfA news at all over the last months |
| 22:02.15 | nevcairiel | but yeah dkp was quite a chore, i did it for many years for the guild back then |
| 22:02.32 | nebula | i'm sure people will over engineer some personal loot trading manager |
| 22:02.54 | nevcairiel | things like that already exist i'm sure |
| 22:03.09 | Gnarfoz | we had already decided mid-way through Legion to go full personal loot, because as it was right now, loot management was the biggest chore and biggest source of drama |
| 22:03.09 | nevcairiel | but clear upgrades you cant trade anyway |
| 22:03.26 | Gnarfoz | (decided to go PL for BfA, I mean) |
| 22:03.29 | nebula | the dreaded "[player] got [item] but it wasn't an upgrade" spam in lfr |
| 22:03.38 | nevcairiel | our loot council thing was working pretty fine on the drama side for us, but still some management |
| 22:04.35 | nebula | we went from dkp to epgp to suicide kings to just personal loot |
| 22:04.50 | nevcairiel | i never used one of thoe new-fangled things |
| 22:04.55 | Gnarfoz | having a whatsapp group as extended guild chat has also basically removed any need for chat threads of any kind |
| 22:05.00 | nevcairiel | classic dkp and then zerosum dkp, and then nothing |
| 22:05.33 | Gnarfoz | derp, almost forgot about my salad |
| 22:05.43 | Gnarfoz | time to go finish watching Counterpart |
| 22:05.43 | nevcairiel | indeed, we used whatsapp a lot as well |
| 22:05.54 | nevcairiel | any good? |
| 22:05.57 | nebula | suicide kings was just shuffle a list at the start of the tier, when loot dropped whoever was highest got it and dropped to the bottom, was less effort than point systems :p |
| 22:06.06 | Gnarfoz | yeah, pretty nice! thanks again, Alram :) |
| 22:07.28 | Gnarfoz | it's also not afraid to have people speaking German where it makes sense, considering it's set in Berlin |
| 22:07.50 | nevcairiel | actual german or american-german? :P |
| 22:08.12 | Gnarfoz | actual German in more places than I've come to expect |
| 22:08.43 | Gnarfoz | fun side-project to notice who's either accent-free or native and who's barely scraping by :P |
| 22:08.47 | nevcairiel | its always so bad when they get american actors to play germans and then speak in some terrible accent |
| 22:09.19 | nevcairiel | most of the world probably wouldnt notice or care |
| 22:09.20 | nevcairiel | but hey |
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| 22:09.30 | Gnarfoz | I know what you mean, heh |
| 22:10.20 | Gnarfoz | they seem to have been aware and tried not to fall into that category |
| 22:10.27 | Gnarfoz | (a rare sight indeed) |
| 22:10.50 | Semlar | i feel that the loot point systems are a way to obligate people to continue showing up for raids when they don't particularly want to |
| 22:11.11 | Gnarfoz | that's pretty much what they're designed for, yeah |
| 22:11.22 | nevcairiel | its definitely part of it |
| 22:11.27 | nebula | yar |
| 22:11.33 | Semlar | that's not what i play a video game for |
| 22:11.36 | Gnarfoz | less of an issue now with flexible raid sizes, but these systems are far older |
| 22:12.15 | nevcairiel | although classic dkp was a bit silly with that, since you got points for boss kills, so people might show on loot nights but not on hard progress nights |
| 22:12.17 | Gnarfoz | (you can still *make* it an issue by having a small enough pool of players of appropriate roles, though) |
| 22:12.21 | nevcairiel | (same with zerosum) |
| 22:12.58 | Gnarfoz | inb4 adding more complexity by also making kill attempts on new bosses worth dkp |
| 22:13.20 | nevcairiel | we eventually used time-based tracking |
| 22:13.22 | Gnarfoz | and then adding a cap. and decay. etc |
| 22:13.33 | nevcairiel | which was annoying for standby people |
| 22:13.40 | nevcairiel | so much crap to deal with |
| 22:13.45 | Semlar | they should add a game mode where you have to play with the stock ui |
| 22:13.53 | Gnarfoz | it's called alpha! |
| 22:14.08 | Semlar | oh that's a good point |
| 22:14.14 | Gnarfoz | ;} |
| 22:14.43 | Gnarfoz | that reminds me of wanting to make some kind of writeup about all the things annoying me about the MDI streams... so much wasted screen real-estate |
| 22:14.43 | nevcairiel | my one-bag addon is still the one thing that i missed the most in alpha |
| 22:14.58 | nevcairiel | individual bags are just so annoying |
| 22:15.10 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I wonder how they haven't stolen that particular concept for the base UI, yet |
| 22:15.33 | foxlit | nevcairiel: individual bags are just so annoying << noooooooo |
| 22:15.36 | Semlar | my ui looks mostly stock but there are some addons that i rely on pretty heavily and wouldn't want to play without |
| 22:15.44 | Gnarfoz | also, stuff like Gnomish Vendor/Inbox Shrinker |
| 22:15.55 | nevcairiel | i dont even know what they do |
| 22:16.00 | nevcairiel | change the vendor and mail frame i expect |
| 22:16.06 | Gnarfoz | turn paginated big icon thing into scrollable list |
| 22:16.11 | nebula | i like baggins, it's catergory based individual bags, just one big bag always looked weird to me |
| 22:16.33 | nevcairiel | i see |
| 22:16.38 | nevcairiel | vendors never really bothered me much |
| 22:16.47 | Funkeh` | guilds have forums? |
| 22:16.55 | nevcairiel | so rarely that you use them and most of them have the item you want on the first page anyway |
| 22:17.01 | Gnarfoz | old guilds do |
| 22:17.21 | Semlar | forums are a dying form of communication |
| 22:17.22 | nevcairiel | i'm sure most new guilds dont even have websites anymore |
| 22:17.49 | Gnarfoz | I'm sure most people running new guilds don't know how to even make a website :D |
| 22:17.50 | nebula | atleast we'll always have irc /wipes tear |
| 22:18.07 | Gnarfoz | nebula: https://xkcd.com/1782/ of course |
| 22:18.14 | Semlar | a discord server would probably suit most of the functionality a forum would perform for a guild better |
| 22:18.30 | Semlar | without the requirements of having to set up a website |
| 22:18.38 | nebula | thats what i always see now a days |
| 22:18.43 | Gnarfoz | except it's ordered the wrong way around and would need many rounds of "scroll up to the limit to get more" |
| 22:18.48 | nevcairiel | threaded discussion is better then plain chat rooms for m any things |
| 22:18.56 | nebula | when some topic comes up that needs input, you just create a channel for it |
| 22:19.10 | nebula | then delete it when its not longer relevant |
| 22:19.54 | Gnarfoz | we like to be able to dig into our own history by searching our archive forum ^^ |
| 22:20.09 | Semlar | almost every discord server i'm in has half a dozen more channels than it needs |
| 22:20.25 | nevcairiel | like mentioned above forums are mostly dying out even for old guilds though, there is just not as much to discuss anymore due to various factors |
| 22:20.25 | Gnarfoz | maybe you just use Discord too much :p |
| 22:20.30 | nebula | it's like joing a teamspeak server with 1387912386719 channels |
| 22:20.36 | nevcairiel | the game has been streamlined, guilds are streamlining themselves |
| 22:20.40 | Funkeh` | yeah i tend to see guilds using discord for everything |
| 22:21.03 | Gnarfoz | nebula: good point, I could get rid of some of the channels on ours, nobody does arenas anymore, for example :p |
| 22:21.10 | Justwait_ | we havn't used the method forums in like 3 years now |
| 22:21.12 | nebula | our forums just turned into people bantering in the shoutbox |
| 22:21.37 | Gnarfoz | hah, shoutbox, what a throwback |
| 22:21.46 | Justwait_ | but we are using slack instead of discord since we started using online chats before discord was popular <_< |
| 22:22.01 | nevcairiel | our teamspeak always had a load of channels. i mean we could just have 5 or so generic channel and call it a day, but people liked to go into a channel appropriate for what they were doing, so others might know right away if you're playing another game or whatever |
| 22:22.30 | Gnarfoz | that seems like a German thing to do |
| 22:22.45 | Gnarfoz | (just like using TeamSpeak in the first place, because reasons) |
| 22:22.51 | Justwait_ | teamspeak > discord |
| 22:22.54 | nevcairiel | all the guilds i've ever been in or even visited had their TS setup like that |
| 22:22.59 | nebula | yea |
| 22:22.59 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I agree |
| 22:23.01 | nevcairiel | granted, all german guilds |
| 22:23.02 | Justwait_ | I don't like discord voice :/ |
| 22:23.12 | Gnarfoz | which is funny, since it should be basically the same, Justwait_ :P |
| 22:23.22 | Justwait_ | well no, you don't have the same functions! |
| 22:23.33 | Gnarfoz | I mean, there's more to it, but in the end, they all use Opus now |
| 22:23.38 | nevcairiel | I use teamspeak for a few other gaming thigns anyway, and I basically don't use discord at all |
| 22:23.45 | nevcairiel | so i'm partial to keep using teamspeak :p |
| 22:24.16 | Gnarfoz | same, and I prefer being able to run the server myself, instead of some nondescript, VC funded company in the US :P |
| 22:24.41 | nevcairiel | i was surprised to see a new teamspeak server release the other week |
| 22:24.48 | nebula | your infos are safe, we promise |
| 22:24.49 | Gnarfoz | hm, I wonder if I have a config backup somewhere of the "group channel" setup we once had |
| 22:24.51 | nevcairiel | a major one too, but the changelog seemed uninteresting |
| 22:25.06 | nebula | with ipv6 support?! |
| 22:25.15 | nevcairiel | it has had that for a while now |
| 22:25.24 | Gnarfoz | pigs also fly now |
| 22:25.31 | Gnarfoz | Windows supports Linux |
| 22:25.34 | Gnarfoz | etc |
| 22:25.40 | nebula | damn, the world is a strange place now |
| 22:26.18 | nevcairiel | i still keep ipv6 turned off in my router because some random things just break :/ |
| 22:26.25 | nevcairiel | the internet, its not ready |
| 22:26.34 | Gnarfoz | I think that was for some of the Hyjal boss fights, where you're spread all over the place... we actually used the feature where you can have sub-channels hear what a parent channel says, but not the other way around |
| 22:26.44 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 22:26.46 | Gnarfoz | (or maybe we did that differently somehow, I don't really recall) |
| 22:27.00 | nevcairiel | we used separate "whisper" buttons for the officers to talk to multiple channel |
| 22:27.05 | nevcairiel | or just talk among themselves |
| 22:27.15 | Gnarfoz | that might have been it |
| 22:27.16 | nevcairiel | which was a lot of fun, we could rant about the raiders in our officer whisper channel |
| 22:27.34 | Gnarfoz | anyhow, the ts3 permissions concept is very flexible (and thus, complex, possibly) |
| 22:28.03 | Gnarfoz | I wish Mumble didn't feel so "off" :P |
| 22:28.15 | nevcairiel | mumble is basically nonexistant in germany |
| 22:28.19 | Justwait_ | Mumble, such an American thing to mention |
| 22:28.36 | nebula | that's what i said ts, even though i use mumble :p |
| 22:28.38 | nebula | why* |
| 22:28.41 | nevcairiel | i wonder if discord is catching on more |
| 22:28.56 | nevcairiel | like a year ago you would see most pugs that even had voice still using TS3 |
| 22:29.02 | Funkeh` | err, no |
| 22:29.06 | Funkeh` | that's fro the german realms only |
| 22:29.07 | Gnarfoz | when we were evaluating possible stuff to replace ts2 with, Mumble/Murmur was still in the horribly "need to generate x509 certificates for everyone" state, hence basically unusable |
| 22:29.09 | Funkeh` | lul |
| 22:29.16 | nevcairiel | Funkeh`: obviously thats where we play, so shoo |
| 22:29.21 | Funkeh` | xD |
| 22:29.48 | Justwait_ | I miss ventrilo and the great voice equalizer |
| 22:29.49 | Gnarfoz | the new in-game voice chat is the same one they have in Overwatch, isn't it? |
| 22:29.56 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 22:30.11 | nevcairiel | and the same one as in the b.net client etc |
| 22:30.14 | Justwait_ | it's pretty good |
| 22:30.20 | Gnarfoz | is it even in-game or is it just the bnet app? I suddenly realize not keeping up with news results in feeling out of the loop |
| 22:30.22 | nevcairiel | its quality is ok and for pugs it'll be entirely adequate |
| 22:30.25 | Justwait_ | leveled with it on alpha, was not disapointed |
| 22:30.28 | nevcairiel | its fully ingame in BfA |
| 22:30.42 | Gnarfoz | who did they buy/licence that from? I recall it's not their own |
| 22:30.56 | nevcairiel | i forget the name |
| 22:31.15 | Gnarfoz | (I wish they added support for TS's and/or Mumble's 3D positional audio :D) |
| 22:31.25 | nevcairiel | vivox was it |
| 22:31.53 | nevcairiel | we've been using b.net voice for M+ the last couple weeks |
| 22:31.59 | nevcairiel | its a bit clunky being out of game but otherwise works fine |
| 22:32.05 | nevcairiel | if its in-game it'll be just fine |
| 22:32.47 | nevcairiel | also they implemented my request of customizable voice activiation levels in BfA \o/ |
| 22:32.52 | nevcairiel | b.net client doesnt have that yet :) |
| 22:32.53 | Gnarfoz | oh, used in EVE, Second Life, EQ, etc, guess that's how they ended up with that |
| 22:33.50 | Gnarfoz | missed chance for TeamSpeak, they've had an SDK version for ages as well... ^^ |
| 22:34.11 | Gnarfoz | but they still seem like the "don't give a shit" kind of people :P |
| 22:34.14 | nevcairiel | i'm not sure i would go to them as a company, to be honest :D |
| 22:34.36 | Gnarfoz | certainly not based on the conduct of the people who communicate for them on their forums, yeah |
| 22:35.10 | nevcairiel | with all the free voice chat everywhere, they must be fearing for their jobs at this point, wouldnt you think |
| 22:35.18 | Gnarfoz | I would |
| 22:35.47 | nebula | they're hard at working adding value-add emoji and sticker packs |
| 22:36.03 | nevcairiel | isnt that about the same shit you get for discord premium? |
| 22:36.03 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:36.12 | Funkeh` | no |
| 22:36.21 | Funkeh` | premium gives you shit like 1080p screen sharing |
| 22:36.29 | nevcairiel | that must be new |
| 22:36.35 | nevcairiel | back when i last checked it gave you nonsense fluff |
| 22:36.40 | Funkeh` | few months old |
| 22:36.55 | Gnarfoz | I seem to recall it was all about being able to use custom emoji everywhere instead of just on the server they're from, or some shit |
| 22:36.57 | Justwait_ | 1080p screensharing |
| 22:37.02 | Justwait_ | just stream on twitch (: |
| 22:37.12 | Gnarfoz | or on a better platform, like youtube or mixer ;p |
| 22:37.41 | Gnarfoz | why is it that Twitch still has these stupidly low bitrates anyway, I can't figure it out |
| 22:37.50 | nebula | https://discordapp.com/nitro still mostly fluff |
| 22:37.52 | nevcairiel | because they can |
| 22:38.56 | Gnarfoz | and their whole gamification system ("affiliate" "partner") was at one point tailored around it as well, but I think at this point everyone has the same 6 Mbit/s limit? ^^ |
| 22:39.16 | nevcairiel | also wasnt youtube bitrates also a bit terrible? |
| 22:39.27 | Gnarfoz | better than Twitch, at least |
| 22:39.50 | Gnarfoz | 4K 60 fps up to 50 Mbit/s? can't do that on Twitch :D |
| 22:40.02 | nevcairiel | sure no 4K support |
| 22:40.12 | nevcairiel | but yeah btirates at 1080p are also 50% higher |
| 22:40.20 | nevcairiel | 9mbit for 1080p60 instead of just 6 |
| 22:40.44 | Gnarfoz | (https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853702?hl=en for reference) |
| 22:40.55 | Gnarfoz | I haven't actually looked into beam since it became mixer |
| 22:41.05 | nevcairiel | is that the microsoft thing? |
| 22:41.17 | nebula | pretty sure non affliiated streams are still capped at 3500 |
| 22:41.25 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 22:41.28 | nebula | but it's pretty easy to afflilated |
| 22:41.29 | Gnarfoz | https://twitter.com/watchmixer/status/941422742489960448?lang=en well |
| 22:41.51 | nevcairiel | that doesnt seem very true |
| 22:42.34 | nevcairiel | Mixer supports up to 10000. It is possible to go above this, but you risk dropping stream entirely. It's an industry standard, and may change in the future, but for now, it's safest to stay below this cap. |
| 22:42.37 | nevcairiel | wtf industry standard |
| 22:42.39 | Gnarfoz | https://watchbeam.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/210090606-Stream-Settings-the-basics says something about 10 Mbit/s |
| 22:43.08 | Gnarfoz | their link goes to a netflix speed survey, so I assume they mean something like "most people don't have more bandwidth that this anyway"? |
| 22:43.44 | nevcairiel | 10 for 1080p is probably OK anyway, but that statement is just weird |
| 22:43.53 | Gnarfoz | which seems a bit ridiculous, maybe those are the speeds Netflix streams at, but that's certainly not what most people interested in streaming stuff have access to? |
| 22:44.18 | Gnarfoz | "that" being slightly below 4 Mbit/s in Germany, for example |
| 22:44.34 | nevcairiel | the survey numbers are weird |
| 22:44.57 | nevcairiel | whats that supposed to express, an average? a minimum? |
| 22:45.06 | Gnarfoz | "a measure of prime time Netflix performance on particular ISPs" |
| 22:45.18 | nevcairiel | i'm not smarter now |
| 22:45.26 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 22:45.26 | Gnarfoz | https://ispspeedindex.netflix.com/about/ |
| 22:46.04 | Gnarfoz | which also means that most people watch Netflix in garbage quality |
| 22:46.04 | nevcairiel | reading that text it makes it sound like thats the actual speed people stream at, not what they have available |
| 22:46.51 | Gnarfoz | yeah, my interpretation as well, and it also in no way corresponds to the 10 Mbit/s number. :D |
| 22:46.56 | nevcairiel | which totally doesnt express anything meaningful then? |
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| 22:47.30 | Gnarfoz | I'm about as confused as you are |
| 22:47.54 | nevcairiel | ok then! |
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| 22:48.40 | nevcairiel | i dont even know what netflix bitrates are, i'm just repeatedly told that they cheap out on them |
| 22:48.45 | Gnarfoz | anyway, 1080p60 at 10 Mbit/s is about on par with YouTube for that resolution |
| 22:49.48 | Gnarfoz | I could look at some of my Netflix-based WEB-DL stuff, but... the fact that *most* of it is actually from Amazon since they use far better bitrates/settings overall basically paints the picture already ;p |
| 22:49.58 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 22:50.05 | nevcairiel | amazon stuff has nice quality |
| 22:50.21 | nevcairiel | it also results in the files being sizeable but yeah |
| 22:51.16 | nevcairiel | i wish those services would allow me to stream through a proper client, i even pay for amazon prime anyway, but alas I don't want a website as my player |
| 22:51.47 | Gnarfoz | my smart TV has an app, but I dare not call that a proper client, either ;P |
| 22:52.46 | Gnarfoz | [00:05:27] <Gnarfoz> derp, almost forgot about my salad <-- somehow, this still hasn't solved itself. laters :P |
| 22:52.56 | nevcairiel | my sound setup is a bit exotic so that it just doesnt work with anything but a proper player |
| 22:53.01 | nevcairiel | gutn' |
| 22:53.20 | Gnarfoz | danke |
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| 23:12.08 | leothar | I have the weirdest issue |
| 23:12.33 | leothar | one of my addons resets its savedvariables whenever I switch account |
| 23:12.44 | leothar | it only happens with this addon |
| 23:13.35 | leothar | (I use a symbolic link so both accounts have the same WTF folder) |
| 23:13.49 | leothar | I can't figure out why this is happening |
| 23:14.09 | foxlit | defect in addon code? |
| 23:14.37 | nevcairiel | i would try making a copy and avoid the symlink to rule that out as being weird |
| 23:15.19 | leothar | I don't think anything is wrong with the symlink, all other addons are behaving like usual |
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| 23:21.29 | leothar | I think it's because it was using the VARIABLES_LOADED event |
| 23:22.36 | leothar | yep |
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