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| 07:49.43 | VIad | you should be able to delete mail with items by confirming it by typing delete. I got tons of unique items from my class hall in my mail, lazy to manage so it stays for 30 days ,_, |
| 07:55.35 | Mr_Rabies | i mean it was just pages of troll swaet |
| 07:55.37 | Mr_Rabies | sweat* |
| 07:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | i shouldn't need to confirm to delete that |
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| 08:18.06 | VIad | of course! my case is blue unique(5) consumable items usable on the broken isles that it doesn't allow me to delete :D |
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| 10:01.22 | Funkeh`` | no one has a 26610 diff yet? |
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| 10:04.11 | Simca | no |
| 10:04.50 | Simca | it's not a build intentionally released, we only have bits and pieces we can pick up from the cdn and not a full picture; can't associate files automatically |
| 10:05.24 | Simca | technically 26610 is just an exe build, but they built it after building Tuesday's build (26608, apparently) |
| 10:05.37 | Simca | and 26608 was shipped along for the ride |
| 10:08.48 | Simca | (and... 26604 I think, maybe a failed test version of 26610) |
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| 10:12.35 | nevcairiel | 26604 was actually the version my client had all weekend |
| 10:12.42 | Funkeh`` | why you gotta ruin everything Simca |
| 10:13.00 | nevcairiel | only updated to 26610 this morning |
| 10:13.55 | Simca | ah yeah 26604 was posted earlier in the day |
| 10:14.01 | Simca | unrelated mostly |
| 10:14.09 | Simca | i was just asleep and didn't notice |
| 10:14.41 | Simca | oh, by earlier in the day i meant friday, yeah |
| 10:14.47 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:14.52 | Simca | well i was asleep at some point then too probably |
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| 11:59.21 | VIad | at some point after beta launched something changed and made it so when I play the beta (tried yesterday) after some time I have to tab out and in to re-focus the game, otherwise it starts to stutter oddly. I assume it's just quirks on beta client. |
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| 12:03.04 | Simca | i had a similar issue once that was fixed by updating graphics driver |
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| 12:26.49 | VIad | I will try it and check. I just expect issues while the engine is being changed and worked on. running SLI might have its own issues non-SLI users don't experience on the beta as well. |
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| 13:21.17 | Shooter_ | On beta, is there any way to get parent skillline for one returned by C_TradeSkillUI.GetTradeSkillLine(), other than matching localised name? For example, GTSL returns 2538 (Northrend Tailoring), and I need to get to 197 (Tailoring) that GetProfessionInfo(n) returns. |
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| 16:59.36 | Thunder_Child | Welcome back TheDanW. How was your vacation? |
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| 17:00.56 | TheDanW | it was good! thanks |
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| 17:05.15 | [TOM_RUS] | TheDanW: can we have SendAddonMessage "whisper" work cross realm just like normal whisper does? |
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| 17:20.53 | AcidWeb | AFAIK SendAddonMessage already working in connected realms. |
| 17:21.30 | Gnarfoz | (considering connected realms are really merged realms, it would have probably taken extra work to stop it from working? :D) |
| 17:23.35 | TheDanW | possibly, we've discussed it before, but there was some reason not to, i don't recall what that was off the top of my head |
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| 17:49.06 | VIad | weakauras can't send over non-connected realms if thats the issue, probably SendAddonMessage limitation |
| 17:49.39 | nevcairiel | thats probably a good thing =p |
| 17:49.56 | VIad | yeah. I mean I can't imagine how you control the data flow if its unlimited |
| 17:50.20 | VIad | can send (or try to) messages everywhere ,_, |
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| 17:54.30 | Ellypse | OH MY GOD, yes, please!!! RP addons cannot send RP profiles cross server even if the person is right in front of you. |
| 17:54.45 | Ellypse | Please, pretty please *makes some kind of puppy eyes* |
| 17:55.33 | VIad | let's ddos the servers |
| 17:56.56 | VIad | hmm. on the other hand, anyone done any work, or knows if there are any logs over the building times on the broken shore? wanted to make a weakaura estimate completion time, but might have to log data myself for a while first if none exist |
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| 17:57.13 | Alram | i mean, that is a pretty good usecase Ellypse has |
| 17:57.29 | nevcairiel | thats an extreme niche case, but sure :p |
| 17:59.37 | Ellypse | Dont tell the RP community they are niche, youâll never hear the end of it. |
| 18:00.26 | nevcairiel | thats fine, they'll try to talk in all sorts of flowery language that is easy to ignore |
| 18:01.20 | [TOM_RUS] | let addon messages work cross faction too, faction language barrier be gone! |
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| 18:02.34 | Alram | shut up tom |
| 18:02.35 | Alram | jeez |
| 18:03.00 | Ellypse | I would like it to be cross faction, but I could understand if it never happens, it makes some sense. Being able to send whispers to someone but not addon whispers makes less sense :/ |
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| 18:23.26 | Shooter | TheDanW: C_TradeSkillUI.GetTradeSkillLine() on beta returns localised parentSkillLineName. Any chance to add parentSkillLine ID as one of returns, with id matching that of parents GetProfessionInfo(n)? |
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| 18:36.10 | TheDanW | Shooter: yup, that was just an oversight |
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| 18:44.27 | Gnarfoz | when were forbidden objects introduced? |
| 18:44.34 | Gnarfoz | 7.2.5? |
| 18:44.41 | Gnarfoz | ~seen aezay |
| 18:44.42 | purl | i haven't seen 'aezay', Gnarfoz |
| 18:44.46 | Gnarfoz | u wot |
| 18:48.56 | TheDanW | forbidden was added around cata |
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| 18:49.37 | Gnarfoz | huh? |
| 18:49.58 | Gnarfoz | I guess I should have asked when were friendly nameplates made forbidden in instances, then |
| 18:50.07 | Gnarfoz | (also, are they the only forbidden objects?) |
| 18:50.53 | Gnarfoz | 5.4.0, wowpedia says, btw |
| 18:52.30 | Gnarfoz | 7.2.0, apparently |
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| 18:54.26 | Gnarfoz | are PMs on wow.cf and cf.com the same nowadays, Flamegoat? |
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| 18:59.38 | nevcairiel | before that mostly forbidden was only the store |
| 19:00.18 | Gnarfoz | (I somehow thought that wasn't part of the regular UI, Glue or some such) |
| 19:00.46 | nevcairiel | glue is the login screen etc, once you are ingame its all accessible |
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| 19:07.00 | sylvanaar | Anyone know if the API CreateColor is optimized in any way? Or is it just Lua code we don't have source to |
| 19:08.26 | sylvanaar | Seems like a nice wrapper - though I have a similar one, there isn't much point to switch unless its implemented in C or something |
| 19:09.37 | sylvanaar | Wow Color Object https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Jyzon9Ke/ |
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| 19:10.14 | sylvanaar | It has an OnLoad - that is interesting |
| 19:11.06 | nevcairiel | its in Lua and we have the sources to all of that |
| 19:12.25 | sylvanaar | Oh i see |
| 19:12.42 | Gnarfoz | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Util.lua#568 ff |
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| 19:13.20 | Shooter | TheDanW: Glad to hear that. I was not looking forward to matching them by names. |
| 19:16.16 | Shooter | TheDanW: One more question - during legion intro, there is a part where Dalaran is over Deadwind Pass as map 32 floor 21. Is that questline going away, as there is no uimapid corresponding to that combination in mapping csv. |
| 19:16.18 | sylvanaar | thanks, guess my IDE go to definition didn't work on it for some reason - thanks for the link |
| 19:19.52 | TheDanW | Shooter: not sure, there were some special cases that weren't handled in the automatic conversion (where the csv is sourced) |
| 19:20.11 | TheDanW | it's not going to be perfect, but it should be 99% |
| 19:20.56 | Shooter | Ok. Guess I'll wait for char copy to be active, and move a char that is on that part of quest. |
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| 19:45.18 | nimhfree | Shooter: If you get updates for map/floor combinations that are not part of that list for conversion, it would be great if you could post them someplace :-) |
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| 19:58.25 | Tentacled | The Danster is back! |
| 19:59.54 | Tentacled | I have a case where I'd really rather not make a bandaid on Lua end. GetItemInfo(12345) -- something that doesn't exist. on event GET_ITEM_INFO_RESULT try to GetItemInfo(id) - returns nil and requests another G_I_I_R. Loooopy. |
| 20:00.19 | nevcairiel | does the event actually report success? |
| 20:00.29 | Tentacled | The event doesn't report anything but an ID. |
| 20:00.40 | nevcairiel | i think i saw it have a second arg |
| 20:00.40 | TheDanW | it reports two values, the id and success |
| 20:00.53 | TheDanW | if success is false then you probably don't want to keep trying |
| 20:01.03 | Tentacled | Oh. Then either I'm blind, or /eventtrace didn't show the false. |
| 20:01.14 | TheDanW | i think i added it somewhat recently |
| 20:01.43 | Tentacled | Is it possible that for some item IDs the G_I_I_R event could be fired instantly, synchronously (the way I don't like it :P)? |
| 20:02.15 | Tentacled | Reason I'm asking: I've had GetItemInfo/G_I_I_R go into C stack overflow, and I've yet to discover if it's a specific item, or what. |
| 20:03.12 | TheDanW | i added the success payload around the start of the year on alpha |
| 20:03.25 | Tentacled | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:03.37 | Tentacled | https://i.imgur.com/SkVISe1.png |
| 20:03.39 | TheDanW | it should on beta |
| 20:04.26 | Tentacled | Unless /eventtrace isn't so good at telling nils from falses..? |
| 20:04.39 | TheDanW | not sure, haven't looked at that code |
| 20:04.48 | TheDanW | it's possible to receive the event multiple times for one item, which is pretty annoying |
| 20:05.05 | TheDanW | but it handles the case where you have sockets or other linked items |
| 20:05.28 | TheDanW | child items like artifacts with offhands for example |
| 20:05.35 | Tentacled | Would any of that cause an instant G_I_I_R, though? |
| 20:05.37 | jinxybob | TheDanW: (first time questioner, long time something) - Am I right in thinking there is no way to cross relate engageId (BOSSKILL event etc.), encounterId (from EJ) and/or creatureId (from combatlog)? |
| 20:06.06 | Tentacled | And by instant I mean synchronous, same execution stack, of course. |
| 20:06.54 | TheDanW | Tentacled: i wouldn't think so, but it gets pretty complicated |
| 20:07.43 | TheDanW | in general you should prefer using continuable item loads, the system has more guarantees built into it |
| 20:07.45 | Tentacled | I'm trying to find out if - aside from checking for success - there's anything that could cause a loop of G_I_I_R and me trying to retrieve results with GetItemInfo in the event handler, causing yet another event... |
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| 20:09.40 | Tentacled | Ideally, I'd love a GetItemInfo variant that ONLY returns the payload of a G_I_I_R, like the combat_log event has it done, and doesn't risk re-requesting it... :> |
| 20:10.25 | Tentacled | And maybe a variant that only checks the cache, and doesn't request data unless explicitly stated... |
| 20:10.38 | Tentacled | And maybe a backrub... since the wishlist is getting long... XD |
| 20:11.31 | TheDanW | jinxybob: doesn't look like it |
| 20:12.29 | TheDanW | you can use C_Item.IsItemDataCachedByID(itemID) |
| 20:12.35 | Tentacled | Oooooh. |
| 20:12.36 | jinxybob | Thanks, that's what I thought. I've had to use creature name but that obviously is bad and doesn't work on Eonar for example. |
| 20:12.41 | Tentacled | That's better than a backrub! |
| 20:12.57 | Thunder_Child | Lies. |
| 20:13.13 | TheDanW | but it won't consider item links, so if there's additional information that needs to get loaded as part of the item instance it may not work as expected |
| 20:13.48 | TheDanW | you can use C_Item.IsItemDataCached, but that requires an item instance in your bag/bank/equipment etc |
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| 20:24.45 | Justwait | TheDanW, did anyone poke you regarding boss frames being not interactable, resulting in addons being unable to make a frame for it unless they code their own? |
| 20:24.48 | Justwait | see: https://i.imgur.com/BUxjAUl.png |
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| 20:25.27 | Justwait | this has been an issue for raiding for some time now. not sure what would be needed from your side for it to be better though. nebula nevcairiel ? |
| 20:26.05 | Justwait | having to leave standard frames on to see if I dont miss anything is great :) |
| 20:26.43 | nevcairiel | i once found out which check in the headers broke it, but i forgot |
| 20:27.48 | nevcairiel | those non-interactable units dont qualify in one of the checks in the group header, and thus dont get shown |
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| 20:30.23 | nevcairiel | i think it was from the unit watch |
| 20:34.38 | Tentacled | Looking at C_Item... Am I correct that GetItemInfo is, more or less, if not C_Item.IsItemDataCached(...) then C_Item.RequestLoadItemData(...) ? |
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| 20:36.51 | TheDanW | Justwait: i fixed something related to that, but apparently not that |
| 20:39.05 | nevcairiel | i think it was in SecureStateDriverManager_UpdateUnitWatch or more specifically unitExistsCache, because those units report some unusual flags for exists etc |
| 20:40.03 | TheDanW | Tentacled: sort of, GII has been around a lot longer and has some legacy requirements, C_Item is brand new to wrangle the complexities, for the most part you should look at Item.lua and prefer ContinueOnItemLoad or ContinueWithCancelOnItemLoad; those are the best methods to handle async moving forward |
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| 20:40.47 | Tentacled | I definitely will, thanks a ton. :) |
| 20:44.20 | TheDanW | nevcairiel, Justwait: i think it's always worked this way, it must be that design is using that flag more often now |
| 20:44.39 | nevcairiel | yeah its definitely been happening for a long time |
| 20:44.48 | nevcairiel | its just annoying that custom unit frames cant properly deal with that |
| 20:46.13 | TheDanW | yeah, it's missing the check against ShowBossFrameWhenUninteractable |
| 20:46.25 | TheDanW | which is somewhat recent, 2015 |
| 20:47.30 | Justwait | we never really noticed until Kil'jeaden, when they hit us up with the portal being up there and part of the encounter on mythic. |
| 20:47.55 | Justwait | then in Antorus it was there on Eonar, and now on Ghuun :) |
| 20:48.15 | Justwait | I'm sure there are more places, but it likely wasn't too important then. |
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| 20:56.54 | Elmoe | Anyone manage to score any extras for Blizzcon? Need 2 for this friendly add-on maintainer and his fiance :) Sadly we did not get through the line in either round |
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| 20:57.09 | Tentacled | Oh. Interesting. ITEM_DATA_LOAD_RESULT isn't the same as GET_ITEM_INFO_RESULT. |
| 20:57.21 | Elmoe | Justwait: wrt the boss frames, isn't the problem only an issue if you use RegisterUnitWatch because the unitExistsCache only checks UnitExists() and not ShowBossFrameWhenUninteractable()? |
| 20:57.34 | Elmoe | Justwait: I think it was the same issue with the adds on Coven when they weren't active but still casting spells |
| 20:58.18 | Justwait | I'm not the unit frame expert, I just know that it's not easy for addons to deal with it :) |
| 20:58.22 | Elmoe | Justwait: for VuhDo there is an option where you don't actually use RegisterUnitWatch this means you have to keep a placeholder frame always visible for the NPC but I think it solves for the non-interaction problem if you can stomach that |
| 20:59.30 | Elmoe | I think the issue is here: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/beta/SecureStateDriver.lua#58 |
| 21:00.10 | Elmoe | Justwait: yeah even after almost 4 years maintaining VuhDo I'm still no expert in this space either hah! |
| 21:00.54 | Justwait | tbh I thought VuhDo was healer magic raid frames only |
| 21:03.45 | TheDanW | i put in a fix for beta, but i don't have a great way to test it, you guys will have to let me know if it fixes it |
| 21:04.58 | Justwait | okay will let you know when we had more raid testing. Zekvoz is also a boss where it works with the same flags I believe. |
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| 21:20.45 | Chipzz | Stanzilla: postal is yours? thx for writing it, great addon! |
| 21:20.56 | Stanzilla | no, Xinhuan did that |
| 21:21.03 | Stanzilla | I just commit sometimes |
| 21:21.19 | Thunder_Child | Commit to breaking things? |
| 21:21.25 | Chipzz | ah k I saw you in the changelog |
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| 21:39.00 | Stanzilla | I always commit to break things, yeah |
| 21:39.11 | sylvanaar | That is the only way to commit |
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| 21:52.14 | Elmoe | Justwait: I added boss frames to VuhDo at the start of WoD because you had to heal those mushrooms on Brakenspore hah |
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| 22:20.54 | Elmoe | sigh got to love the blizzcon tickets already up for 500+$ each :( |
| 22:25.21 | Ssateneth | you'd think they would be tied to the buyer? |
| 22:26.25 | Elmoe | no you can switch the names till ~july or something |
| 22:26.53 | Elmoe | just always disappointing to see people scoop up extras only to try and flip them for double or more the face value, nothing new of course but still sad heh |
| 22:26.59 | Ssateneth | isnt blizzcon in november or am i missing something |
| 22:27.05 | Ssateneth | tickets for an event 6 months from now? |
| 22:33.53 | Gnarfoz | yes? what do you think you're missing? |
| 22:35.16 | sylvanaar | I have never been - I still kinda want to go sometime - but the moment has really passed for me |
| 22:35.35 | Ssateneth | Just thought it was sooner than that |
| 22:35.43 | Gnarfoz | Elmoe: something something reselling tickets above face value is illegal in California (not sure if/how that helps, but it's where Blizzard is) |
| 22:36.39 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: I went in 2013, before Torhal turned from Gandalf into Saruman, it was fun =p |
| 22:37.56 | Mr_Rabies | <Elmoe> no you can switch the names till ~july or something |
| 22:38.10 | Mr_Rabies | this actually is part of the problem |
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| 22:40.51 | Mr_Rabies | they should just let you get your money back in the form of bnet balance if you cancel within x days of the event, and check ID before issuing badges on-site |
| 22:41.04 | Mr_Rabies | no transfers |
| 22:43.00 | Gnarfoz | I might remember incorrectly, but I thought there was an ID check at badge pickup |
| 22:43.45 | Mr_Rabies | they just need to not let you transfer badges anymore, then |
| 22:44.34 | Mr_Rabies | if you can't make it, cancel and get a refund for bnet balance, and then have a final run on tickets that were refunded |
| 22:46.39 | Elmoe | Mr_Rabies: yeah many better ways to do it, there was actually an interesting podcast I read a transcript of recently which discussed why the scalping industry is thriving so much |
| 22:47.19 | Mr_Rabies | most other conventions i go to let you transfer your badge to next year if you do it before a certain date, but obviously not viable for a limited-badge convention |
| 22:47.21 | Elmoe | we've been the past 4 years, haven't had to scalp since the first year but sadly ebay it will be this year |
| 22:47.45 | Mr_Rabies | so the bnet balance thing works in lieu of that, especially if you can use bnet balance to buy tickets |
| 22:48.29 | Mr_Rabies | so i couldn't transfer my tickets from Mr_Rabies to Elmoe, but i could just move mine to Dragoncon 2019 if i can't make this years' con |
| 22:48.53 | Mr_Rabies | also can't just get a refund, so i think it's fair |
| 22:49.12 | Elmoe | http://freakonomics.com/podcast/live-event-ticket-market-screwed/ if anyone is interested |
| 22:49.44 | Mr_Rabies | hell, cut a portion of the refund and call it a digital ticket downgrade or something, and give them a digital ticket, lol |
| 22:49.53 | Mr_Rabies | so they can still get some of the goodies |
| 22:50.12 | Elmoe | all the goodies really, pretty bummed that there are no exclusive goodies for in-person attendance anymore |
| 22:50.44 | Mr_Rabies | they should give everyone a goldfish that attends in person |
| 22:50.53 | Mr_Rabies | can't mail a goldfish |
| 22:51.04 | Elmoe | haha or one of those little turtles :p |
| 22:51.16 | Mr_Rabies | god don't remind me about the turtles |
| 22:51.38 | Elmoe | yeah my fiance bought one several years ago, he'll outline us both :p |
| 22:51.46 | Mr_Rabies | oh |
| 22:51.52 | Elmoe | s/outline/outlive/ |
| 22:51.58 | Mr_Rabies | i thought you meant the turtles they sold in china that were in sealed plastic containers |
| 22:52.10 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know why i thought that |
| 22:52.14 | Mr_Rabies | but that's where my brain went |
| 22:52.31 | Elmoe | no I mean the little red-eared sliders they always sell you on the street illegally for like 10 bucks |
| 22:52.46 | Mr_Rabies | can't say i've seen that, but i'm sure it's a regional thing |
| 22:52.47 | Elmoe | which everyone buys and takes home and then doesn't know wtf to do with and releases not realizing they are an invasive species |
| 22:53.03 | Mr_Rabies | instead we get wal-mart puppies out here |
| 22:53.05 | Elmoe | yeah in big cities like NYC you see this a lot |
| 22:53.18 | Mr_Rabies | go to any walmart on the weekend and see puppies melting in the heat |
| 22:53.23 | Elmoe | :( |
| 22:53.25 | Mr_Rabies | in a cardboard box |
| 22:53.36 | Elmoe | you in the mid west? |
| 22:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | southeast |
| 22:53.50 | Elmoe | ah cool, grew up in Illinois and Ohio and that rung a bell heh |
| 22:54.17 | Mr_Rabies | i don't have much of a problem with it if they're caring for the puppies and do at least some minimal vetting on people getting them |
| 22:54.39 | Elmoe | yeah I've seen ugly results in rural areas with animal breeding though |
| 22:54.56 | Elmoe | of course where I grew up cock fighting was also huge so... |
| 22:55.03 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, puppy mills and stuff are bad, honestly the paid dogs are often worse than the free ones |
| 22:55.34 | Mr_Rabies | free ones are probably a mutt from when the neighbor's dog got into the kennel somehow, which hopefully means stronger genes |
| 22:55.49 | Elmoe | yeah in fact we stopped getting "pure bred" cats for exactly that reason |
| 22:56.01 | Elmoe | got a nice healthy rescue kitty now |
| 22:56.13 | Mr_Rabies | our current dog is a mutt and he's the best |
| 22:56.23 | Elmoe | :) |
| 22:56.26 | Mr_Rabies | he's mostly a retriever of some sort, with a ton of some kind of spitz |
| 22:56.54 | sylvanaar | My rescue kitten is unfriendly |
| 22:57.04 | sylvanaar | well - not kitten - shes 4 now |
| 22:57.15 | sylvanaar | friendly, but not |
| 22:57.22 | Mr_Rabies | he's got the soft palate thing that retrievers have |
| 22:57.34 | Mr_Rabies | he can pick up a raw egg and not break it |
| 22:57.41 | Elmoe | sylvanaar: yeah mine was flagged as high risk and basically is a scared of anyone but myself and my fiance heh |
| 22:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | unless he just decides to eat a raw egg, i guess |
| 22:58.16 | Elmoe | Mr_Rabies: was watching videos of that the other day actually, pretty cool how they can carry an egg without breaking it |
| 22:58.17 | Mr_Rabies | he used to pick small tomatoes off our tomato plants, not to eat but to play with |
| 22:58.24 | Mr_Rabies | (pretty sure tomato isn't the best thing for dogs) |
| 22:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | they were bred to carry game without damaging the meat, so they have a lot of jaw control |
| 22:59.24 | Elmoe | yeah my friend has a german short haired pointer and actually uses him for bird hunting its pretty incredible |
| 23:14.38 | nimhfree | Blizzard should sell tickets by lottery. You register your desire for a ticket in game, and then random people are assigned tickets on a specific date. Those that choose not to take their ticket have it put back into the pool and random assignment again. Sort of like WWDC. |
| 23:23.36 | Arrowmaster | Current system works fine |
| 23:24.20 | Corrodias | the world is fine. obey. |
| 23:24.29 | Corrodias | also hello |
| 23:34.28 | nimhfree | Arrowmster: current system does not work fine. look at all the scalpers. |
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