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| 03:14.20 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully they fix the lfr tool, it stil uses the old zone levels for wrath stuff at the very least |
| 03:14.33 | Mr_Rabies | er lfg |
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| 04:01.09 | Torhal | Making a copy of live before installing the alpha saved about 32GB of download. |
| 04:22.11 | Simca_ | that is one of the nice things about CASC, although it was mostly-ish true of MPQ too |
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| 05:01.25 | nimhfree | You mean the alpha has really a lot of stuff from live? |
| 05:03.35 | nebula | it's an expansion, not a stand alone game |
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| 16:12.22 | Gnarfoz | most things that are not 8.0-relevant should be the same, indeed :P |
| 16:12.49 | Gnarfoz | (also, data caps are so 2004) |
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| 17:37.14 | Simca_ | there's actually a decent number of changes to old files. some would patch properly though, still greatly reducing overall required download. |
| 17:38.59 | Simca_ | the live build will be even better though - it'll be built against the previous live build and have direct patch paths for every file (CASC does not support indirect patching - i.e. a file that changed twice in BFA can't patch; if you are patching from 7.3.5 to 8.0.1.25902 to 8.0.1.26310) |
| 17:39.21 | Simca_ | (, then that doesn't work) |
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| 17:51.05 | Simca_ | nevcairiel: you would know the answer to this - nimhfree needs a lookup between WorldMapAreaID and AreaTableID ingame, does such a thing exist? |
| 17:51.32 | Simca_ | I know you can go from WorldMapAreaID<->MapID (InstanceID if you prefer) but not sure about AreaTableID |
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| 18:06.28 | nevcairiel | dont think AreaTableID is exposed anywhere |
| 18:06.51 | nevcairiel | but why would you need it, its not like an API takes it either |
| 18:06.53 | Simca_ | drat. i thought it might be in some subzone related thing |
| 18:07.21 | Simca_ | he's matching it up against mined questdata, and quest categories are done by AreaTableID |
| 18:07.46 | nevcairiel | you could translate on the mining side instead of hoping to do it ingame |
| 18:08.54 | Simca_ | yeah but considering the values in question are WorldMapArea.ID and WorldMapArea.AreaID, neither of which exist in BFA, he'll have to remap them very soon and the entire thing will be very complex. |
| 18:09.08 | nevcairiel | yeah well |
| 18:10.02 | nevcairiel | on values that are going away, mapFile is also gone, the relevant tables now use file IDs, i wonder if i should even bother to try to migrate that one or just let it die a quick death |
| 18:11.24 | nevcairiel | basically, there is no single ID that survives the change |
| 18:11.31 | nevcairiel | except MapID, which is too broad for most cases |
| 18:11.34 | Simca_ | actually UIMap has a string column with a name i think |
| 18:11.42 | Simca_ | idk if the new API will expose it though |
| 18:11.49 | Simca_ | there's a lot of questions around that |
| 18:11.50 | nevcairiel | its the display name |
| 18:11.57 | nevcairiel | with spaces and all |
| 18:12.18 | Simca_ | oh right, mapFile would have been Map.Directory |
| 18:12.45 | Simca_ | i mean they could still expose that, there's still a link. could bug Dan for it if it was useful enough |
| 18:12.46 | nevcairiel | WorldMapArea had AreaName which was the mapFile |
| 18:12.56 | Simca_ | oh hmm |
| 18:13.17 | nevcairiel | or so i think |
| 18:13.25 | nevcairiel | at world WorldMapOverlay had the column as well |
| 18:13.34 | Simca_ | yeah you're right |
| 18:13.34 | nevcairiel | different col name, but should be matching values i think |
| 18:13.42 | Simca_ | both of those are dead now |
| 18:14.21 | nevcairiel | WorldMapOverlayTile has a file id col now |
| 18:14.27 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 18:14.53 | Simca_ | the game used to NEED those columns because it actually constructed the strings for the map texture names |
| 18:15.07 | Simca_ | now that it has filedataID and doesn't require them i guess they're gone and not coming back |
| 18:15.17 | nevcairiel | when we get the WorldMapAreaID -> UIMapID mapping, i could generate an additional mapFile mapping to go with that from the live data |
| 18:15.21 | nevcairiel | but not sure if its worth it |
| 18:15.27 | nevcairiel | will have to think on that |
| 18:15.31 | Semlar | my map-sense is tingling |
| 18:15.54 | Simca_ | man that will be a huge pain for some old addons lol, but like what are you going to do? they wouldn't work forwards with BFA maps properly unless you like... invented your own names |
| 18:16.19 | Simca_ | or wasted your time mapping out the ids to files and then pulling the directory names |
| 18:17.01 | nevcairiel | if it would only be addons, i would be fine saying let the authors update their shit |
| 18:17.10 | nevcairiel | but my concern is with user-generated data in SVs |
| 18:17.19 | nevcairiel | which needs a migration part or it just goes bad |
| 18:17.25 | Simca_ | that's true. |
| 18:18.14 | Semlar | what if they just got rid of the map and people had to navigate by looking at the game |
| 18:18.41 | Simca_ | what if this was Ultima and they had to play the game by the map |
| 18:18.58 | nevcairiel | maps are as old as the land itself, its not exactly a concept some fantasy game invented =p |
| 18:19.28 | Simca_ | stick a player and enemy health bar over the map frame, put some enemy dots on that shit, overlay action bars, bam |
| 18:19.38 | Simca_ | World of Warcraft 1990 edition |
| 18:22.28 | Simca_ | i think the migration idea is good; i didn't consider that. |
| 18:22.41 | Simca_ | i know several addons save by mapFile for SVs |
| 18:25.51 | Simca_ | Semlar: your addon code for the 'Trash it!' addon works flawlessly. |
| 18:26.03 | Simca_ | i hadn't tested it until now |
| 18:26.13 | Semlar | good |
| 18:26.33 | Simca_ | wait, i lied. i doesn't unfavorite the item |
| 18:26.39 | Simca_ | it doesn't* |
| 18:27.14 | Semlar | i didn't factor that in |
| 18:27.29 | Simca_ | yeah i will rq |
| 18:30.08 | Simca_ | do you mind if I post this with you as a coauthor or something |
| 18:30.46 | Simca_ | or do you want to post it as author; i'm modifying it a bit to consider some other cases |
| 18:32.08 | [TOM_RUS]|2 | just wipe SV, problem solved |
| 18:33.02 | Simca_ | people with thousands of archaeology nodes will love you for that |
| 18:34.25 | nevcairiel | Currently my plan is to create a small sub-library in HereBeDragons with the migration data, possibly compressed until accessed the first time, or something |
| 18:34.46 | nevcairiel | but it'll probably be some time until we get addons anyway, so time to make plans is plenty |
| 18:36.38 | nevcairiel | (also, re-write HBD basically entirely to only consume BfA data, if you want to feed old data, you need to migrate manually using a separate API, to encourage proper addon migration) |
| 18:41.38 | Semlar | Simca_: feel free to upload it, if i were releasing it as an addon i probably would change it to just show some icon on the dialog instead of the test button i made |
| 18:42.26 | nevcairiel | thats a thought pattern you have? releasing addons? |
| 18:42.40 | Simca_ | he means as a zip file on his website |
| 18:42.59 | Simca_ | kek |
| 18:43.02 | Semlar | other people can release addons for me |
| 18:43.18 | Semlar | in situ |
| 18:43.59 | Semlar | maybe there's a different phrase i'm thinking of |
| 18:44.16 | Semlar | my latin is a little rusty |
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| 21:28.09 | nimhfree | nevcairiel: if you are going to rewrite HBD for 8.0, can you change the PI2 to tau instead? :-) |
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