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| 08:04.32 | foxlit | https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/opie/issues/165 << I wonder. |
| 08:06.53 | nevcairiel | wouldnt they probably need to re-bind |
| 08:07.00 | nevcairiel | doesnt sound like something you can do anything about anyway |
| 08:08.12 | foxlit | it does sound like I'm screwed, but that workaround sucks. |
| 08:09.27 | nevcairiel | how often does one change their keyboard layout |
| 08:09.29 | foxlit | (people switch layouts to communicate in groups, getting them to rebind things would be awkward) |
| 08:11.22 | foxlit | russians especially, since their native layout includes no latin letters, and the internet kind of runs on those. |
| 08:12.04 | nevcairiel | wouldnt they have the same problem with every keybind ingame and be kind of used to it |
| 08:12.23 | nevcairiel | i mean, it surely isnt an opie-exclusive problem, right? |
| 08:12.53 | foxlit | I haven't actually tested, but that's my feeling as well. |
| 08:14.02 | foxlit | maybe blizzard does something clever for some keys but not others. |
| 08:20.37 | nevcairiel | so many people with unsupported hardware on the alpha forums, didnt the live client start yelling at you when you run it on that |
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| 11:03.03 | Phixion | lol just wanted to reply so something and saw your post nevcairiel |
| 11:03.07 | Phixion | ..the vulkan thing |
| 11:03.21 | Phixion | smh |
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| 14:17.53 | Funkeh` | vulkan thing? |
| 14:33.55 | nevcairiel | some guy was talking about how with vulkan they should just simply release a linux client, and i only informed him that WoW doesn't actually use vulkan and it would therefor still be a significant effort to make it so |
| 14:36.36 | nevcairiel | (also that apple doesnt support vulkan natively, so they would not even be able to get rid of one backend, making the excercise mostly futile) |
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| 15:27.58 | [TOM_RUS] | pretty sure vulkan runs on mac too |
| 15:28.39 | [TOM_RUS] | https://www.khronos.org/news/press/vulkan-applications-enabled-on-apple-platforms |
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| 15:39.10 | nevcairiel | not natively, that talks about a translation layer to metal |
| 15:39.17 | nevcairiel | beause apple is being dumb |
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| 15:48.58 | nebula | moltenvk has been around since 2016, and now suddenly everyone is gonna use it because they worked with valve to support it? yea ok |
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| 16:47.07 | [TOM_RUS] | nevcairiel: don't matter if native or not as long it as same performance which they claim it does |
| 16:48.46 | Funkeh` | google claims to do no evil and facebook claims to respect your privacy |
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| 19:35.15 | AcidWeb | Any less known alternatives for Adibags and Arkinventory? |
| 19:35.24 | AcidWeb | Bags with categories. |
| 19:38.34 | schlumpf | adibags would be a fine alternative |
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| 19:50.24 | Shockah | except the author is no longer updating it |
| 19:52.46 | AcidWeb | Well technically only critical bugs are fixed. |
| 19:53.08 | AcidWeb | Just probing if anything new appeared. |
| 19:54.07 | schlumpf | Yeah, that's the sad part. It still feels like the best variant out there imho. |
| 19:58.41 | Shockah | i kinda want to write my own, but i barely play WoW anymore and don't even have the time to do it |
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| 21:39.24 | Simca_ | mischanix found something interesting in 8.0 - "Discovered something fun in TOC format parser⦠SavedVariablesMachine" "no hits on Google so I guess it's new" |
| 21:39.59 | Andols | Ooh |
| 21:40.55 | Simca_ | possibly used for multi-account saved variables |
| 21:46.02 | mischanix | Looking further, it is locked down to only Blizzard addons |
| 21:47.07 | mischanix | And Blizzard_Console currently uses it |
| 22:32.17 | nevcairiel | seems like a slightly odd thing to invent just for the console addon |
| 22:32.53 | nevcairiel | but maybe they want the console to be able to save shit on the login screen |
| 22:32.56 | nevcairiel | no account there yet |
| 22:33.08 | nevcairiel | it currently savea a message history |
| 22:35.06 | Stanzilla | so bnet chat history across the account instead of per character |
| 22:35.53 | nevcairiel | account-wide SVs arent exactly new dumbo |
| 22:35.56 | nevcairiel | this is machine-wide SVs |
| 22:36.06 | Stanzilla | your mom is dumbo |
| 22:44.28 | TheDanW | harsh |
| 22:45.00 | TheDanW | the console persists its history across accounts too |
| 22:45.13 | nevcairiel | yeah thats what we just found, the new SV type |
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| 23:19.02 | nimhfree | anyone have any word on the alpha servers and what is up/down with them/ |
| 23:19.26 | nevcairiel | its tuesday evening, likely patch time |
| 23:20.43 | nimhfree | oh, time zoneâ¦.do you know where those servers are located? |
| 23:21.02 | nevcairiel | in blizzard time obviously |
| 23:21.07 | nevcairiel | pacific time |
| 23:21.08 | Funkeh` | in dalaran |
| 23:21.32 | nimhfree | hey all I know is Alleria is in US Central time |
| 23:28.28 | nevcairiel | build just popped up on the CDN, so yeah |
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| 23:35.48 | nimhfree | yeah i am now on build 26310 |
| 23:41.16 | Simca_ | new map system is in. |
| 23:41.38 | Simca_ | i know because every single map db2 except Map.db2 is now gone |
| 23:41.49 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 23:42.07 | nevcairiel | hope not too much data has gone missing |
| 23:42.41 | Simca_ | just rearranged probably, there's a whole new series of files starting with UIMap* |
| 23:42.49 | [TOM_RUS] | and bunch of new db2 added related to map |
| 23:43.17 | nevcairiel | the map itself looks unchanged though, guess thats a good thing? |
| 23:43.52 | Simca_ | wowhead/wowdb devs will be thrilled i'm sure... lol. |
| 23:54.02 | nevcairiel | in before all related map ids got totally scrambled and everyone handling any map data persistently is screwed |
| 23:55.18 | nevcairiel | from a quick look the continent/zone/level triplet is gone and entirely replaced by mapIDs |
| 23:55.24 | nevcairiel | or at least unused now |
| 23:57.39 | TheDanW | just a heads up on the map stuff, not everything has been transitioned yet and some of the API is still WIP |
| 23:59.18 | nevcairiel | the api documentation file is suspiciously absent |
| 23:59.42 | nevcairiel | but without addons enabled, its hard to probe it anyway |