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| 16:13.36 | indil77 | hi all |
| 16:16.18 | indil77 | someone to get help for addons there? |
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| 20:28.08 | Simca | TheDanW: I think you've mentioned the .wtf / .wtf.bak file writing issue before (if computer suddenly loses power or wow crashes in certain ways, it can wipe all .wtf files because of the way it writes on exit + .bak files aren't updated properly, so there's no good backups) |
| 20:28.22 | Simca | do you know if that issue is still being looked into for a fix |
| 20:30.37 | Alram | yeah wow now ships with a free UPS |
| 20:30.44 | Alram | f i x e d |
| 20:31.36 | Simca | rofl |
| 20:31.47 | nebula | (battery not included) |
| 20:32.20 | Alram | well no cant ship those by air |
| 20:36.12 | Gnarfoz | relocation to a country with a first world power grid optional |
| 20:37.02 | Andols | Didn't he say a while ago that .bak files should update properly now? |
| 20:39.18 | Gnarfoz | that was probably about SVs |
| 20:39.32 | Gnarfoz | for which the .bak mechanism had been broken for just about... a decade |
| 20:39.32 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:40.46 | Andols | :D |
| 20:41.08 | Andols | Then what is wtf.bak? |
| 20:41.20 | Gnarfoz | probably a backup of a .wtf :D |
| 20:41.30 | Gnarfoz | I didn't realize they even made those? |
| 20:41.46 | Gnarfoz | perhaps it's all just Simca using the wrong terms |
| 20:41.52 | Gnarfoz | (since SVs end in .lua, not .wtf) |
| 20:42.10 | Simca | oh |
| 20:42.11 | Simca | yes. |
| 20:42.21 | Simca | .lua and .lua.bak, my bad |
| 20:42.43 | Gnarfoz | well, sounds like it's about the same situation as before, then |
| 20:44.08 | Gnarfoz | the "lose all SVs" thing has been around since release (although I haven't seen it for 10 years? maybe my PC is just stable), if the .bak files can be hit by it at the same time the .luas are... then... I guess nothing lost, nothing gained? :D |
| 20:45.14 | nebula | i thought i remembered dan saying something about fixing that (atomic sv writes), but i can't find it |
| 20:45.14 | nebula | where are the purl logs? |
| 20:45.24 | Simca | nah they aren't hit, they just aren't used for recovering, afaik |
| 20:45.24 | Gnarfoz | ~logs |
| 20:45.24 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 20:45.50 | nebula | bleh |
| 20:46.44 | Simca | you're right, .bak files are updated properly now, that's my mistake. i just had a friend have this issue yesterday though and it still wiped their SVs (maybe not the .baks, but if so then they weren't used for recovering) |
| 20:47.17 | Simca | maybe the change that needs made is as simple as 'if no .lua on login, look for .lua.bak and load that instead' |
| 20:49.08 | Andols | What is Wtf acronym of? Now when we are talking about it. |
| 20:49.29 | Gnarfoz | warcraft text file |
| 20:49.59 | Gnarfoz | anyhow: for backup in *.lua.bak; do mv $backup ${backup%.bak}; done |
| 20:50.15 | Andols | Oh, I see |
| 20:51.07 | Gnarfoz | a good choice of acronym, if I ever saw one |
| 20:51.59 | Gnarfoz | I mean, Doom's WAD isn't too bad, either |
| 20:52.05 | Gnarfoz | (Where's All the Data) |
| 20:52.46 | Gnarfoz | nebula: maybe he was talking about nuclear sv writes? :p |
| 20:53.15 | nebula | i think you made the same joke then |
| 20:53.37 | nebula | possibly involving planck |
| 20:53.46 | Gnarfoz | Planck? that's my keyboard! |
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| 21:58.19 | TheDanW | Simca: not sure on .wtf, the UI team doesn't deal with writing them, we made fixes for saved vars |
| 21:59.35 | Simca | yeah my bad, i meant saved vars (.lua, .lua.bak) |
| 22:00.26 | Simca | a friend had the issue happen yesterday on live client where her saved vars were wiped. curiously, it only seemed to be one set of them (either global or character specific, not 100% sure which, but it was only like half her addons) |
| 22:00.32 | Simca | (she lost power) |
| 22:06.02 | TheDanW | not sure, it could be at the os layer, was she in the middle of logging out/reloading UI, or just in-game when power was lost? |
| 22:08.06 | Simca | just in-game apparently |
| 22:08.31 | Simca | had been for a couple hours |
| 22:09.50 | TheDanW | yeah, that's pretty strange, we only touch them during UI unloading, we write to a separate file, if successful we ask the OS to rename current to .bak, and temp to .lua |
| 22:11.13 | Simca | yeah i don't understand how it happens exactly but i wonder if the power was lost in a way where it caused the computer to exit programs in an attempt to restart right before power was fully lost. idk if that's possible, but just one of the only things i can think of |
| 22:12.28 | Simca | have you considered having the game read from .lua.bak if .lua is missing for an addon? |
| 22:13.15 | Simca | i'm not sure if her .baks were intact or not, so not sure if it would have fixed the issue. |
| 22:13.37 | Simca | must be horribly frustrating to test/debug reliably given how inconsistently the problem rears its head |
| 22:15.03 | TheDanW | yeah, it actually does that already, if we can't find a .lua but a .bak we read that with the assumption writing the .lua failed |
| 22:16.00 | Simca | ah okay. well that sounds solved on your end to the best it could be then. something must have happened to both files in an extremely weird way. |
| 22:16.37 | TheDanW | possibly some other program that interacts with saved vars, cloud sync or something? |
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| 23:54.55 | foxlit | https://wow.curseforge.com/projects/tojansloottable/files/2533931 << a cool 79MB in a single lua file. |
| 23:56.37 | Simca | excellent |
| 23:56.57 | nebula | i've always wanted wowhead in wow |
| 23:57.34 | Funkeh` | "please downlaod ace3 as it's required" |
| 23:57.47 | Funkeh` | aka embeds are too difficult for me to understand |
| 23:57.59 | Funkeh` | aka you probably shouldn't read any of that code |