| 00:01.38 | nevcairiel | perhaps, but securecalls primary purpose is not being a convenient xpcall replacement, so it being supposed to do something else would give me worry |
| 00:05.03 | nevcairiel | but its pointless now anyway when we can just use xpcall in the future |
| 00:06.57 | foxlit | There's no convinient way to do that and redirect to the default error handler. |
| 00:18.52 | foxlit | (part of securecall's primary purpose is to isolate the caller from errors caused by the callee while still reporting those errors. The taint barrier is a pointless extra when called by addons, but it's still a lower overhead than CallbackHandler's dispatch gymnastics.) |
| 00:21.13 | TheDanW | part of the change was adding a helper function to call the current error handler, that you can just pass into xpcall |
| 00:22.16 | foxlit | that fixes the stack levels so the current error handler isn't off by one? |
| 00:23.13 | TheDanW | i believe that is already fixed |
| 00:27.19 | foxlit | on live? |
| 00:31.30 | foxlit | nah, it's still wrong -- DEBUGLOCALS_LEVEL = 5 gets you no locals at all, probably because it catches some weird C function at the start of the error dispatch. 6 works better for me without addons enabled, testing with e.g. /run local x = 5 x.x = 1 |
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| 00:33.20 | nevcairiel | the local var thing is often of questionable value anyway, so many times i want the locals of one scope up or such, to see what led to the call in question |
| 00:35.29 | foxlit | seems to be broken entirely around xpcall |
| 00:38.39 | foxlit | /run xpcall(function() local x=5 x.x=1 end, function() for i=1,10 do print(i, select("#", debuglocals(i)) end) just produces the 1 0 / 2 0 / ... / 10 0 |
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| 00:46.16 | foxlit | (I was going to suggest that doing something like xpcall(err, function(...) return geterrorhandler()(...) end) might cause the error handler to query the stack/locals one level higher than it would if you did xpcall(err, geterrorhandler()), so the new helper function would have to do something unusually clever) |
| 00:47.50 | foxlit | maybe that was silly and the tailcall already fixes things. |
| 00:52.27 | pompy | We still can't scrollwheel the Addon list in IO on live, huh? |
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| 01:20.17 | TheDanW | gotcha, will look at that |
| 01:28.10 | TheDanW | fixed for 8.x |
| 01:29.35 | Funkeh` | hey TheDanW get the game tooltip template not requiring the frame have a global name on your to-do :D |
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| 01:32.33 | TheDanW | many tooltip things are |
| 01:32.57 | Funkeh` | heh |
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| 16:59.39 | Gnarfoz | Affected by Curse's choice to enforce 2FA for the store (https://authors.curseforge.com/news/3132)? Want better 2FA options? Vote on any or all of these: https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/297558/suggestions/15947032 https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/310228/suggestions/11498085 https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/297558/suggestions/14373747 https://twitch.uservoice.com/forums/297558/suggestions/12287061 |
| 17:00.04 | Gnarfoz | (preferably the ones that already have a lot of votes, duh :D) |
| 17:04.40 | nevcairiel | why can i vote multiple times for some, and not for others |
| 17:05.08 | Funkeh` | keep clicking |
| 17:05.09 | Funkeh` | :D |
| 17:05.10 | foxlit | protip: not requiring 2FA for the store is probably a technically easier fix. |
| 17:05.57 | nevcairiel | rolling back something that you sold as better security is not likely going to fly with anyone =p |
| 17:07.46 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I'm sure everyone is aware of the /obvious/ options ;) |
| 17:08.07 | foxlit | is there a rampant curse point theft problem that relies on people stealing primary auth tokens? |
| 17:08.41 | Gnarfoz | there was enough of an issue for them to make the entire processing be manual, yes |
| 17:09.25 | foxlit | that is just... odd. |
| 17:09.32 | Gnarfoz | entering assumption land: clearly, going to back to an automated system saves them money, hence the additional security (correct me if I'm wrong, Flamegoat / Torhal / Zeldo) |
| 17:09.37 | Stanzilla | we already established its about curse |
| 17:10.02 | Funkeh` | going back to 2FA doesn't automate the process "it will be future" i.e. in 10 ears |
| 17:10.14 | Funkeh` | minus "back" |
| 17:10.37 | Funkeh` | I asked Torhal if it would be automated now |
| 17:10.57 | Gnarfoz | certainly, forcing 2FA is not the same thing as it being automated, but clearly, they treat that as a prerequisite |
| 17:11.16 | nevcairiel | all Torhal keeps telling me is that he doesnt know anything whats going on with the website anymore :D |
| 17:12.09 | Gnarfoz | being against 2FA because it's 2FA seems nonsensical; what's terrible is the lack of 2FA options and going forward with it regardless |
| 17:13.57 | foxlit | it seems like it should be *your* choice whether you want to use 2FA or not. |
| 17:14.27 | nevcairiel | it is your choice, you just dont get no money if you make the wrong one |
| 17:14.52 | Funkeh` | lol |
| 17:14.57 | Gnarfoz | yeah, this is for the store only, it's not like they're requiring it everywhere |
| 17:15.27 | nevcairiel | it seems understandable that dealing with money makes that mandatory |
| 17:15.48 | Gnarfoz | the fraud with gift cards probably jeopardizes their ability to even offer them |
| 17:16.08 | Gnarfoz | not everyone is nevcairiel and has enough "revenue" to warrant using the paypal option :D |
| 17:16.59 | foxlit | what sort of fraud, Gnarfoz? |
| 17:18.27 | Gnarfoz | I used that word to refer to the case of people who are not the account owners requesting them on behalf of the account owner. Maybe "theft" is a better fit. |
| 17:18.50 | Gnarfoz | (what is commonly, but clearly wrongly, referred to as "being hacked" these days) |
| 17:19.35 | nevcairiel | obviously only curse knows the full extend of why they suddenly switched to manual and rushed out https requirement basically over night, but one doesnt do that for nothing |
| 17:20.45 | foxlit | it's $CURRENTYEAR, if you're not using https for login sessions, you're just bad. |
| 17:21.03 | Gnarfoz | you'd be surprised how many people are bad |
| 17:21.09 | foxlit | ahem, wowi. |
| 17:21.15 | Gnarfoz | well. |
| 17:22.15 | Gnarfoz | but https doesn't protect against people using terrible passwords, the same passwords everywhere, etc. people, in general, are terrible at these things. ^^ |
| 17:24.22 | foxlit | In my opinion, "if your credentials are stolen (from you, not our website), better luck next time" is sufficient for this sort of thing; I wouldn't think of your CF balance as a bank account. |
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| 17:25.48 | Mr_Rabies | in the end this is probably simply cheaper than support |
| 17:26.06 | Funkeh` | foxlit: wowi uses https |
| 17:27.46 | foxlit | Funkeh`: for what? |
| 17:28.00 | Funkeh` | everything |
| 17:29.23 | Funkeh` | the only thing it doesn't use it for is downloads but afaik dolby is working on that |
| 17:29.37 | foxlit | Funkeh`: the new user registration form is served over http and posts to http |
| 17:30.00 | Funkeh` | https://www.wowinterface.com/forums/register.php no? |
| 17:30.11 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.23 | foxlit | maybe you're redirected because you have auth cookies. |
| 17:30.41 | Funkeh` | no, i'm just using https everywhere like a normal human being |
| 17:31.31 | bluspacecow | *eats Funkeh's cookies* |
| 17:31.46 | Funkeh` | but they were expired |
| 17:32.41 | Mr_Rabies | old mythic raids still use the same lockout system, the "classic" lockout system, right? |
| 17:32.52 | Mr_Rabies | i know the new ones do, wondering if they relaxed them for legacy stuff |
| 17:33.19 | Mr_Rabies | stuck in BRF with no help, maidens are just a bit too tough to solo at the moment lol |
| 17:35.14 | foxlit | just barely managable for me. |
| 17:35.53 | foxlit | heroic Amber-Shaper seemed impossible, though :( |
| 17:35.53 | Mr_Rabies | feral's just a bit too squishy |
| 17:36.19 | foxlit | (HoF) |
| 17:36.31 | Mr_Rabies | and guardian is a bit too weak dps wise to get to phase 2 before dreadnaught |
| 17:40.28 | foxlit | Funkeh`: without browser addons, I have a sneaking suspicion that https is only used for the login form. |
| 17:41.02 | Funkeh` | better than nothing |
| 17:45.01 | foxlit | yes, but a far cry from adequate. |
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| 21:01.18 | MentalPower | Hey dolby, are you around? |
| 21:08.43 | dolby | Whatâs up MentalPower |
| 21:12.23 | MentalPower | I´d like my hostmask back, are you authorized to request those or only Cairenn? |
| 21:13.22 | Funkeh` | who stole it from you |
| 21:14.04 | dolby | Only Cairenn |
| 21:14.29 | dolby | She is online if you email her. She is having trouble with her new computer |
| 21:15.50 | MentalPower | No one, my account got reaped cause I was offline too long |
| 21:16.48 | MentalPower | Ok, will do |
| 21:37.50 | MentalPower | Gnarfoz, personally I´d prefer yubikeys :) |
| 21:39.04 | MentalPower | Alright HexChat officially sucks, any suggestions for IRC clients on Windows? I use Textual on my Macs |
| 21:40.25 | Funkeh` | kvirc, but the "dev" build |
| 21:43.10 | Gnarfoz | Quassel \o/ |
| 21:44.19 | Funkeh` | https://ci.appveyor.com/project/DarthGandalf/kvirc |
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| 22:40.24 | MentalPower | Alright, going to try kvirc for a bit, so far its better than HexChat |
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| 22:43.39 | MentalPower | never mind, it crashed as soon as I tried to do anything useful with it :P |
| 22:44.11 | Funkeh` | can't say i've ever had it crash |
| 22:44.20 | Funkeh` | and i'm on latest dev |
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| 22:45.58 | MentalPower | Yeah, it just up and crashed a few times in a row |
| 22:46.07 | MentalPower | no warning, just closed all the windows |
| 22:46.25 | Funkeh` | did you download the debug build or something |
| 22:46.58 | MentalPower | release |
| 22:47.08 | MentalPower | https://ci.appveyor.com/project/DarthGandalf/kvirc/build/job/69hos5mopmcsynca/artifacts |
| 22:47.11 | MentalPower | From there |
| 22:49.29 | Funkeh` | https://ci.appveyor.com/project/DarthGandalf/kvirc/build/0.0.0.0.1-branch-master-build-2523/job/8ko2ui4566hcraqp/artifacts try that and see if you have any success, its a little older |
| 22:50.29 | MentalPower | I´ĺl give it a shot, it definitely looks better than HexChat |
| 22:51.16 | MentalPower | Nope, as soon as I try to configure settings, it just closes |
| 22:53.40 | Funkeh` | oh well |
| 22:54.01 | Stanzilla | #kvirc |
| 22:54.09 | Funkeh` | maybe you fucked up something with your settings, can always delete them |
| 22:59.41 | MentalPower | Yeah, I´ll try that once this Overwatch game is over :) |
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