| 00:00.23 | Simca | my advice is: don't parse it by reading records consecutively. blizzard doesn't. they use the lookup table later in the file that has position and length information for every record |
| 00:01.44 | foxlit | the lengths in that table seem to include the inconsistent padding. |
| 00:01.55 | nevcairiel | isnt that a good thing |
| 00:02.10 | foxlit | no. I don't have a problem finding the row data, I have a problem interpreting it. |
| 00:02.21 | Simca | hm. |
| 00:02.55 | Simca | i mean, the way i do my thing, i seek to end of record when i'm done reading what i've been told exists by the file, so i would be skipping bad padding that way. |
| 00:05.51 | foxlit | essentially, how do you decide which fields are intended to be inlined strings? |
| 00:10.18 | Simca | advance knowledge of structure from executable. |
| 00:10.24 | Simca | but there might be another way |
| 00:10.53 | Simca | there's a lot of minor quirks that you can use to intuit some information in WDC1 |
| 00:14.36 | foxlit | Simca: advance knowledge of structure from executable. << cheating. |
| 00:15.22 | Simca | pre-WDC1, it was required for many files. |
| 00:16.10 | mserrano | I don't see how that would be cheating :P |
| 00:16.51 | mserrano | if you have a file in a weird custom format, and a compiled parser for that format |
| 00:17.06 | Simca | he's joking |
| 00:17.31 | Simca | in WDC1, I think it may only be required for 3 files (ItemSparse, UnitTestSparse, and SceneScriptText) |
| 00:17.41 | mserrano | I am idly curious though |
| 00:17.44 | Simca | those are the only ones that use that weird lookup table format and have inline strings |
| 00:17.47 | mserrano | do you bindiff the different builds |
| 00:17.53 | mserrano | or does that produce too much noise to be useful |
| 00:19.16 | Simca | it would be mostly noise since 7.3's binary changes. in either case, the db2 structure data is separate (outside the area of the binary that is encrypted) and is fairly static, so it's easy to diff/analyze just that. |
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| 00:19.48 | Simca | s/encrypted/obfuscated/ |
| 00:20.42 | Simca | if it makes you feel better foxlit, they haven't added a string field to item sparse in the history of the game |
| 00:20.56 | Simca | so you're relatively safe assuming those fields will not change. |
| 00:21.51 | Simca | and WDC1 db2s are built with the string columns all pushed to the beginning, so the first columns in the file are int64 (if they exist), then string, then everything else |
| 00:22.28 | foxlit | well, that makes things hilariously easy. |
| 00:23.17 | foxlit | though I'm sure that the moment I rely on that assumption someone will decide "hah, enough of that, we'll now put strings in random places!" |
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| 00:27.31 | Simca | it may annoy you in SceneScriptText if you use that one, since its structure contains only strings |
| 00:27.55 | foxlit | that already works fine. |
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| 08:12.25 | VIad | nevcairiel: I think I saw a C_Item on the alpha, might be adding more stuff for better link parsing and such |
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| 08:48.46 | nevcairiel | it just consolidates the existing item api, there is barely anything interesting new |
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| 09:06.42 | VIad | #boring |
| 09:07.14 | VIad | but at least makes room for additions, maybe they can add C_Item.GetUltimateItemInfo and C_Item.ParseItemString :x |
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| 12:07.28 | bluspacecow | *walks in and out of zone boundaries on Alpha* |
| 12:07.51 | bluspacecow | weather intensity. |
| 12:07.55 | bluspacecow | y u no go above 0 ? |
| 12:07.57 | bluspacecow | :( |
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| 12:14.18 | ls- | :'< |
| 12:38.35 | VIad | no alpha still, not that I need it either, but weird how so many around me got it :o |
| 12:39.01 | VIad | also blizz likes to spam me about stuff that are 2 week old news, got one to buy the new dog from the shop, they didnt check that I already had it >_> |
| 12:39.14 | VIad | love the dogo |
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| 14:36.42 | foxlit | ... I've inserted an additional key into the table while iterating over it, which took three hours to find :( |
| 14:40.15 | foxlit | Rather than throwing an error, Lua decided to skip over some keys in the iteration, which ended up subtly insane output. |
| 15:01.23 | Funkeh` | but the real question is, does townlong yak have 8.0 yet? |
| 15:02.48 | Thunder_Child | I think foxlit said he is not doing it. |
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| 15:03.10 | Thunder_Child | He does live and PTR and his stuff tips over if he tries to do 3. |
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| 15:11.02 | Stanzilla | foxlit not taking a challenge? that's new :D |
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| 15:17.37 | nevcairiel | i told him to solve that by shoving ptr =p |
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| 15:26.18 | Thunder_Child | Well, at some point BfA will go the PTR route. |
| 15:26.33 | Funkeh` | no it won't, it will go beta |
| 15:26.54 | Thunder_Child | It will never hit ptr before release? |
| 15:26.59 | Funkeh` | actually |
| 15:27.14 | Funkeh` | i think? they had ptr as a mirror of beta at one point instead of giving everyone beta |
| 15:27.18 | Funkeh` | for legion |
| 15:27.50 | nevcairiel | it usually always goes ptr |
| 15:27.55 | nevcairiel | but the "pre-patch" state |
| 15:28.02 | Funkeh` | ah yeah |
| 15:28.42 | Justwait | ptr will be for those without access to the alpha/beta and they can check out the non-leveling zone stuff |
| 15:28.51 | Justwait | at least the last few expansions |
| 15:29.07 | Justwait | and it's the same servers even? |
| 15:29.34 | Stanzilla | silly Funkeh` |
| 15:30.33 | nevcairiel | different servers afaik |
| 15:31.25 | Funkeh` | my point was that beta is a separate channel |
| 15:31.36 | Funkeh` | so that would still be "3 separate" |
| 15:31.45 | Funkeh` | and ignoring beta isn't a good idea |
| 15:31.51 | nevcairiel | ptr 8.0 and beta 8.0 patch the same tho |
| 15:32.01 | nevcairiel | UI wise its identical |
| 15:32.03 | Funkeh` | err, i don't think so, if you mean the same time |
| 15:32.12 | nevcairiel | ptr 8.0 just starts much later |
| 15:32.16 | Funkeh` | yeah |
| 15:32.45 | Funkeh` | since authors will be getting beta keys, that's what we care about |
| 15:32.59 | Funkeh` | not waiting months for ptr |
| 15:35.43 | nevcairiel | thats why i suggested to just scrap ptr if he only wants to do two |
| 15:39.46 | Thunder_Child | But he could just be waiting till beta then when most people can actually use the information. |
| 15:40.02 | Thunder_Child | s/most/more/ |
| 15:40.04 | nevcairiel | its not like ptr provides any information right now |
| 15:41.10 | Thunder_Child | Ah. |
| 15:41.51 | Funkeh` | unless they're planning on some interim patch |
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| 16:14.25 | foxlit | nevcairiel: https://www.townlong-yak.com/casc/1.9/ |
| 16:15.59 | nevcairiel | yay |
| 16:16.03 | nevcairiel | will try it later |
| 16:19.26 | Stanzilla | foxlit: any reason you did not put it on luarocks |
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| 16:23.05 | foxlit | Stanzilla: sounds like work. |
| 16:25.50 | Stanzilla | well |
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| 17:32.01 | Semlar | stanzilla someone is complaining that AIO needs an update because it hasn't been updated in a while |
| 17:33.36 | Stanzilla | I disagree |
| 17:33.50 | Semlar | i should set up a script that increments the version number every other week and pushes it to github |
| 17:34.27 | Semlar | "Can you please update the mod just to show new people it is still active?" |
| 17:34.47 | Stanzilla | "no." |
| 17:35.30 | Semlar | there are probably things to fix, but that would be effort |
| 17:35.56 | Stanzilla | yeah some stuff shows twice in the cvar browser |
| 17:35.58 | Semlar | i should revert the change away from using the cvar api to find new cvars |
| 17:36.03 | Stanzilla | we dont dedupe our own table + api |
| 17:36.21 | Semlar | that would make everything show up twice |
| 17:36.27 | foxlit | protip: flag the last release for 7.3.5 without uploading anything. |
| 17:37.07 | Semlar | i was pretty sure i made the cvar browser in a way that it couldn't show the same thing twice, but i may need to take a look at it |
| 17:38.27 | Semlar | i need to pack though, i have to move to a new place |
| 17:38.44 | Stanzilla | Semlar: yeah but you did not do that case insensitive |
| 17:38.55 | Stanzilla | we have nameplatexXX and api has NameplateXXx and it shows twice |
| 17:39.00 | Semlar | :( |
| 17:39.07 | Stanzilla | https://i.imgur.com/uVyzFFV.png |
| 17:40.26 | Semlar | i was finally able to reproduce the issue that some people were reporting, where it would somehow save and re-apply things like the index of the last character you logged into |
| 17:40.44 | Semlar | which made it highlight the wrong character at the login screen every time |
| 17:41.31 | Semlar | i had it happen when i installed the game to a much slower hard drive than i normally use |
| 17:41.48 | Semlar | i think it must somehow change the order things get loaded in |
| 17:42.35 | Semlar | those cvars shouldn't even be in the list, but it's inconvenient to manually filter them out |
| 17:43.26 | Semlar | so it's easier to just remove the code that pulls new cvars in from the api |
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| 20:01.38 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: Stop getting kicked out of places. |
| 20:02.24 | Semlar | what |
| 20:07.35 | Thunder_Child | You said you have to move. |
| 20:29.16 | nebula | Stanzilla: https://pastebin.com/6y0htSja :p |
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| 20:30.06 | Stanzilla | thx |
| 20:30.22 | [TOM_RUS] | Stanzilla: have you tried dx12 yet? |
| 20:30.26 | Stanzilla | no |
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| 20:31.42 | Stanzilla | [TOM_RUS]: the login screen renders but no input boxes |
| 20:31.54 | [TOM_RUS] | Stanzilla: dont run from bna |
| 20:32.00 | [TOM_RUS] | run exe |
| 20:32.07 | [TOM_RUS] | and it will be ok |
| 20:32.23 | Stanzilla | oh indeed |
| 20:34.10 | Stanzilla | yeah works |
| 20:34.28 | Stanzilla | until https://i.imgur.com/q32I1TX.png :D |
| 20:34.52 | [TOM_RUS] | yeah I had a lot of those on sandbox :D |
| 20:35.19 | [TOM_RUS] | max graphics settings are instant crash after loading screen :D |
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| 21:33.12 | Andols | Is it possible to make the client (twitch) to only update certain files/folders and not everything? |
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| 21:34.05 | nevcairiel | within one addon? i doubt it |
| 21:35.40 | Andols | That is my guess to, but better to ask :) |
| 21:46.16 | ls- | nevcairiel: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2379588-People-still-using-bartender-despite-it-s-high-cpu-usage :p |
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| 22:05.14 | nebula | i don't even know what bt would be using to use cpu |
| 22:05.21 | nebula | be doing* |
| 22:07.04 | Funkeh` | the distance filter |
| 22:07.53 | nebula | i mean, atleast it batches it instead of running 50 OnUpdates like the base ui |
| 22:08.11 | Funkeh` | but dominos uses the base ui and moves it around, no? |
| 22:08.17 | Funkeh` | so it skips on all teh cpu blame |
| 22:08.18 | nebula | i have no idea |
| 22:08.49 | Funkeh` | last I recall dominos wasn't a full action bar implementation but i could be wrong |
| 22:09.57 | Simca | i like how that thread assumes that people outside like... us... actually run with cpu usage mode enabled |
| 22:10.08 | Simca | considering how it hurts your cpu usage to have it enabled. |
| 22:10.24 | Funkeh` | i don't think anyone here has it enabled permanently |
| 22:10.42 | Funkeh` | Although I do laugh at all the cpu measurement addons that don't warn the user they've left it on |
| 22:11.16 | Funkeh` | >Reuse as much standard blizzard action button code as possible. |
| 22:11.21 | Funkeh` | first line of dominos |
| 22:11.31 | Funkeh` | as if reusing blizz code is a good thing :D |
| 22:11.45 | Funkeh` | can't efven get away with reusing the fucking tooltip now |
| 22:16.32 | nevcairiel | yeah cpu usage is neatly hidden away when you do that =p |
| 22:16.58 | nevcairiel | i should throttle distance checks for 0.1s more and claim much improved cpu usage |
| 22:18.11 | nebula | damit funky, i already post |
| 22:18.12 | nebula | ed |
| 22:19.02 | nebula | :p |
| 22:19.19 | Funkeh` | k deleted it |
| 22:19.33 | nebula | i mean it was fine, lol |
| 22:19.48 | Funkeh` | not typing it again, didn't see your edit |
| 22:20.44 | nebula | had to defend bw first, then decided to actually respond to the op |
| 22:21.00 | Stanzilla | the bigwigs warriors |
| 22:21.30 | Funkeh` | defend bw against someone that will spout something like "but it tells me what to do" |
| 22:21.43 | Funkeh` | "ok it's best you just use that" |
| 22:21.54 | nevcairiel | i stopped caring a long time ago if users actually use my addons. i make most my curse points with libraries anyway, just gotta be nice to authors :p |
| 22:22.48 | nebula | cheats |
| 22:23.49 | Funkeh` | the majority of people that swap over prefer it, not really concerned about the one or two that want unacceptable changes |
| 22:25.30 | nebula | wish curse shared installed numbers, would be interesting to watch those trends |
| 22:25.54 | Funkeh` | the discord posts is a decent metric |
| 22:26.46 | nebula | i mean, it's not like someone is going to join bw discord and go "i switched but i hated it, fuck you guys /leave" |
| 22:27.17 | Funkeh` | true |
| 22:27.24 | Funkeh` | but that would be fucking hilarious |
| 22:31.44 | mukunda | is there an easy reference to a dropdownlist button's parent? i.e. the arrow button that opened up the submenu? |
| 22:32.08 | nebula | there should be a global for it i think |
| 22:33.28 | mukunda | would you just mean DropDownList1Button<index> and keep track of that index? |
| 22:34.34 | nebula | i was thinking something like UIDROPDOWNMENU_OPEN_MENU:GetParent() |
| 22:37.18 | foxlit | it's a weird thing to want, mukunda. |
| 22:38.09 | mukunda | it is a bit of a weird thing yeah |
| 22:38.31 | mukunda | arrow button with a checkbox, where the checkbox is the 'all or nothing' switch |
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| 22:44.21 | foxlit | put a "toggle all" entry in the submenu |
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| 23:37.31 | TheDanW | in BfA, xpcall now supports arguments, similar to 5.2+ |
| 23:39.17 | Funkeh` | but the important question is, did you fix UnregisterAllEvents |
| 23:40.12 | nevcairiel | TheDanW: neat, can delete those weird wrappers we created :D |
| 23:40.21 | nebula | Funkeh`: just xpcall it |
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| 23:40.30 | Funkeh` | sounds like a plan |
| 23:41.59 | Funkeh` | btw TheDanW does it work by looping every event and unregistering it or does it have a table of registered events it loops |
| 23:47.11 | TheDanW | there's no way for you to test UnregisterAllEvents on BfA, seems like a non-issue, right? ;p |
| 23:47.50 | Funkeh` | in theory |
| 23:48.13 | nevcairiel | should insta-ban everyone doing client hacks |
| 23:48.25 | nevcairiel | also, i'm surprised thats not a thing that automatically happens anyway |
| 23:48.30 | Funkeh` | i guess i should just profile it and see what the difference is between looping my own table |
| 23:48.47 | nebula | ui uses it a few times, i'm sure you could find a way to trigger it! |
| 23:49.43 | foxlit | nevcairiel: should be using securecall anyway. |
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| 23:50.45 | nevcairiel | it has several shortcomings though |
| 23:50.56 | nevcairiel | cant specify an error handler, and you dont get told if execution failed |
| 23:51.14 | nevcairiel | and I imagine the secure handling stuff may have an overhead |
| 23:51.22 | foxlit | I haven't yet encountered a case where I'd /want/ to specify an error handler. |
| 23:52.51 | foxlit | securecall(function(f, ...) return true, f(...) end, f, ...) if you really need to know whether the callee finished, but that's also a rare concern. |
| 23:53.24 | nevcairiel | if i need to create a closure, i can also use xpcall =p |
| 23:53.55 | Funkeh` | what's wrong with creating a closure for every single callback, sounds perfect |
| 23:54.09 | foxlit | you clearly don't need to create a closure for every single call. |
| 23:54.34 | nevcairiel | and neither do we currently with some magic |
| 23:55.26 | foxlit | that's a single helper function for an uncommon use case versus... what, a table caching a function for every possible number of arguments? |
| 23:56.25 | nevcairiel | in theory, in practice has our use typically only 1-2 arguments anyway |
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| 23:57.08 | foxlit | so you're only a little bit worse. Grats! |
| 23:57.24 | nevcairiel | and you call a function where you dont really know what it might try to do |
| 23:57.28 | nevcairiel | that doesnt seem better |
| 23:59.37 | foxlit | ... that holds for every C-implemented API function ever. |
