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| 00:08.25 | nevcairiel | you know that doesnt actually remove them from the spell book |
| 00:08.38 | nevcairiel | sure they dont glow anymore, but a careful reader might still find them |
| 00:16.18 | foxlit | https://i.imgur.com/a8fSypH.gif << go home, spellbook, you're drunk. |
| 00:20.21 | nebula | page 3: 12x sidewinders |
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| 02:05.21 | Simca_ | 8.0 hit content servers; over 100 new api documentation files |
| 02:06.15 | Funkeh` | nice |
| 02:16.45 | Funkeh` | wtb diff |
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| 02:40.03 | Funkeh` | looks like they are adding overwatch style voice support |
| 02:42.12 | Funkeh` | GXAPI_D3D12 >> DirectX 12 |
| 02:42.13 | nebula | they showed that at blizzcon |
| 02:42.15 | Funkeh` | and there you go |
| 02:42.25 | nebula | (the voice support stuff) |
| 02:43.00 | Funkeh` | it does ring a bell |
| 02:43.25 | nebula | https://cdn.blizzardwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/community-UI.jpg |
| 02:43.58 | Funkeh` | no, that's the communities |
| 02:44.12 | nebula | well yes, but it's integrated with a lot of systems |
| 02:48.34 | Simca_ | it looks like some hero went back and did API docs for every old system in the game |
| 02:49.08 | Funkeh` | I bet TheDanW did that instead of holding a gun to the head of the person responsible for sound |
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| 06:29.26 | A-KO | I like how this isn't lit up for anyone yet :P |
| 06:29.35 | A-KO | I guess team 2 published the binaries/data? |
| 06:29.39 | A-KO | and people are just datamining? |
| 06:35.14 | Simca_ | yop |
| 06:36.53 | Semlar | are you hacking again simca |
| 06:37.02 | Semlar | where are these docs |
| 06:37.21 | Torhal | He's always hacking. How do you think you come up with half the weird shit you do to the WoW client? |
| 06:38.41 | Semlar | it would be nice if the LFG list had some kind of an indicator that you've already signed up and been rejected from a group before |
| 06:39.27 | Semlar | i think i'll make an addon that adds an icon to the entry |
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| 06:41.38 | A-KO | I love the new Jaina model so much |
| 06:41.46 | A-KO | now, to update Sylvanas to the BFA cinematic model |
| 06:41.46 | A-KO | mmmm |
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| 08:19.24 | Semlar | i just got my third legendary ring to add to my collection |
| 08:19.40 | nevcairiel | the quest one? that one doesnt count |
| 08:20.06 | Semlar | why doesn't the quest ring count |
| 08:20.15 | Semlar | also it was sephuz's secret |
| 08:20.26 | Varyak | because everyone gets it |
| 08:20.31 | nevcairiel | because everyone doing lfr gets it thrown after them =p |
| 08:22.06 | Semlar | i still have 3 legendary rings |
| 08:22.19 | nevcairiel | me too |
| 08:22.29 | nebula | #metoo |
| 08:22.35 | nevcairiel | actually i have 4 |
| 08:22.42 | nevcairiel | guardian druid has 3 without the quest |
| 08:23.44 | Simca_ | i've got all 5 now for paladin if i include quest |
| 08:23.45 | Semlar | i don't believe any of these are worth using for me |
| 08:24.13 | nevcairiel | i havent played for half a year or so, so the legendaries for offspecs are still low in number for me |
| 08:24.16 | Semlar | i'm currently using a healing legendary as a dps upgrade |
| 08:25.53 | Semlar | it makes FD heal me for 20% of my health |
| 08:26.05 | Constie | Sephuz's Secret was the second legendary I got, in EN, and I've been using it the whole time since then. It's going to be really weird to not get a speed boost after interrupting things in BfA. |
| 08:26.40 | Semlar | i do like moving faster |
| 08:26.49 | Semlar | but my interrupt is on an enormous cooldown |
| 08:26.58 | Simca_ | i built a speed set for my main and i love it |
| 08:27.04 | Semlar | i'm not sure if i can really make much use of this |
| 08:27.06 | Simca_ | 175% passive move speed |
| 08:27.12 | Simca_ | 205% with sephuz proc |
| 08:27.28 | Semlar | does the movement speed stack with your other movement speed buffs |
| 08:27.37 | Simca_ | 235% with a recent kill, 325% with nitros |
| 08:27.39 | nevcairiel | yay soothe and hibernate are back |
| 08:27.48 | Semlar | i have a talent that makes me run 30% faster when i'm not attacking |
| 08:28.11 | Semlar | but movement speed isn't in the character sheet any more |
| 08:28.29 | nevcairiel | i just have a snippet add it back |
| 08:28.45 | Semlar | i also love when i see something like "+500 speed" on a relic trait, but have no idea what that means |
| 08:28.53 | Semlar | what good is this number to me |
| 08:28.58 | Semlar | i couldn't even find the formula through google |
| 08:29.06 | Simca_ | it's a bit semlar. it's like: move speed = 1 + SUM(Move Speed Buffs that do stack) + MAX(Move Speed Buffs that don't stack) |
| 08:29.17 | Simca_ | that means you have 5 effects that do stack and 1 that doesn't |
| 08:29.22 | Simca_ | and the result is all 6 stack |
| 08:29.36 | Simca_ | but if it is the other way around, you'd have 2 stacking |
| 08:29.42 | Semlar | why the hell don't they just show what % speed this actually adds in the tooltip |
| 08:29.56 | nevcairiel | same reason they dont do that for crit or whatever |
| 08:29.57 | Semlar | when i'm trying to decide which trait to pick |
| 08:30.07 | nevcairiel | ratings are ratings |
| 08:30.16 | Semlar | saying it's because it depends on how much stat you already have is not an excuse |
| 08:30.25 | Semlar | the number is literally meaningless to me |
| 08:30.42 | Semlar | it could be 5% speed, it could be 20% speed |
| 08:30.45 | nevcairiel | you somehow know what +500 crit rating roughly means dont you |
| 08:30.49 | Semlar | no |
| 08:30.54 | Semlar | i have no idea how much 500 crit rating is |
| 08:30.57 | Simca_ | like 1%? ish |
| 08:30.58 | Simca_ | i think |
| 08:31.01 | Semlar | none of the numbers mean anything to me |
| 08:31.11 | Semlar | i would much prefer they all show % |
| 08:31.14 | nevcairiel | maybe you should use ratingbuster! |
| 08:31.17 | nevcairiel | is that still a thing? |
| 08:31.20 | Simca_ | no |
| 08:31.35 | nevcairiel | no addon anymore to show percentages? |
| 08:31.47 | Simca_ | there probably is, just not ratingbuster last i checked |
| 08:31.47 | Semlar | if it weren't such a pain in the ass to modify the tooltip to do this i'd throw a quick addon together |
| 08:32.01 | Shockah | isn't the addon to use now called Pawn |
| 08:32.12 | Semlar | pawn doesn't tell you what these numbers do |
| 08:32.16 | Constie | My character sheet says I have 7.08% speed from 750 speed rating. |
| 08:32.24 | Semlar | it just tells you whether something is an upgrade based on your stat weights you give it |
| 08:32.34 | Shockah | ah okay, misunderstood what RatingBuster did |
| 08:32.52 | Simca_ | i actually feel like pawn might have a ratingbuster-style option |
| 08:32.53 | Simca_ | i forget |
| 08:32.58 | Semlar | okay so 100 movement speed is sort of close to 1% |
| 08:33.14 | nevcairiel | the tertiarys scale quite well anyway |
| 08:33.15 | Semlar | that's good enough |
| 08:33.40 | Semlar | now if only i knew what value they capped out at and whether they have diminishing returns it would be great |
| 08:33.51 | Semlar | i know avoidance can't go over 20% |
| 08:34.22 | Semlar | which it also doesn't tell you in the tooltip |
| 08:34.45 | Constie | +1% movement speed is +1% DPS if you think about it, and stop thinking about it quickly enough. Pretty good. |
| 08:34.48 | nevcairiel | no DR as such, but it does cap |
| 08:35.37 | nebula | i mean, if you have to move speed gives you more uptime on mobs |
| 08:35.50 | Semlar | that depends on whether you can attack while moving |
| 08:35.57 | Semlar | which i sort of can |
| 08:36.00 | Semlar | sometimes |
| 08:36.11 | nebula | even if you can't, you can get into position where you can continue dpsing faster :p |
| 08:36.18 | Semlar | so movement speed isn't as valuable to me as other casters |
| 08:36.59 | nevcairiel | tertiaries are not something most people should be targeting for anyway, except for fun purposes |
| 08:37.03 | Semlar | i can't do my full dps while moving but it's usually just a few arcane shots before i stop moving anyway |
| 08:37.19 | Semlar | well, the problem is that you can get tertiary stats from traits that you choose in the crucible |
| 08:37.20 | nevcairiel | 20% aoe reduction can be useful in mythic progress, but outside of that i ts a perk and not something to look for |
| 08:37.22 | nebula | i remember my mop speed set, zoom zoom |
| 08:37.35 | Semlar | so you have to make an active choice about whether to choose it over another trait |
| 08:37.53 | Semlar | and i couldn't figure out what this one even did for me |
| 08:37.56 | nevcairiel | if thats all you get from that trait, i wouldnt pick it =p |
| 08:38.07 | Semlar | it was like 500 mastery and 600 movement speed or something |
| 08:39.00 | Semlar | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=252088/light-speed |
| 08:39.10 | Semlar | haste apparently |
| 08:39.38 | Semlar | it seems to be roughly 5% movement speed |
| 08:40.41 | nevcairiel | some of this BfA music is really quite awesome. Also, an alpha which already has music is always nice |
| 08:40.43 | Semlar | if that's accurate and doesn't have DR then you could get like 15% movement speed from relic traits |
| 08:41.03 | Semlar | no that has to cap out |
| 08:41.16 | Semlar | there's no way you just run 25% faster with those and sephuz's secret equipped |
| 08:41.22 | Semlar | that would be awesome |
| 08:41.27 | nevcairiel | you can |
| 08:41.36 | Semlar | really? |
| 08:41.47 | nevcairiel | 15% from speed rating is well within its cap |
| 08:42.06 | Semlar | what's the global cap on speed |
| 08:42.15 | nevcairiel | i forget |
| 08:42.28 | Semlar | i didn't see one on the wiki |
| 08:42.40 | Semlar | but its tertiary stat info isn't great |
| 08:42.57 | nevcairiel | as Simca_ explained its split in stacking and non-stacking categories now, so individual things can cap and then it can also stack or not stack, so multiple effects is a bit odd |
| 08:43.06 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:43.09 | nevcairiel | but he also got to 175% movement speed |
| 08:43.10 | nevcairiel | so.. |
| 08:43.19 | Simca_ | there isn't one |
| 08:43.32 | nevcairiel | most permanent thigns stack and temporary boosts dont, afaik |
| 08:43.47 | Simca_ | take aggramar's stride (boots that convert highest stat into speed), go to arcway normal mode and fight construct boss |
| 08:43.50 | Semlar | i thought temporary boosts always stacked with your passive bonus |
| 08:43.52 | Simca_ | pick up haste bubbles |
| 08:43.59 | nevcairiel | Semlar: yes, but not with each other |
| 08:44.10 | Simca_ | you can get 3500%+ move speed |
| 08:44.14 | Semlar | what! |
| 08:44.20 | Simca_ | it's so fast when you press W you hit a wall somewhere else in the instance |
| 08:44.25 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 08:44.48 | Semlar | i must strive to be the fastest hunter alive |
| 08:44.51 | nevcairiel | that sounds like that one mage that managed to get so much haste that the spell system fell apart |
| 08:45.06 | Semlar | i'm so tired of somehow being one of the slowest classes now |
| 08:45.28 | Semlar | i'm not sure what happened to our mobility |
| 08:45.44 | nevcairiel | you can still dps while moving, at least partially, so you dont need extra mobility |
| 08:45.46 | Torhal | Your pet stole it. |
| 08:45.50 | Semlar | i can barely keep up with people running to the next pull in mythics |
| 08:45.52 | Constie | You can jump like a million feet away whenever you want! |
| 08:45.59 | Semlar | it's like 5 feet |
| 08:46.06 | Semlar | disengage has a ridiculously short jump |
| 08:46.17 | Semlar | unless you're jumping down a ramp, then it's enough to kill you |
| 08:46.58 | Semlar | my disengage button is right next to multishot now and i keep pressing it when i'm trying to hit multishot |
| 08:47.44 | Semlar | this is why i liked sidewinders, because i didn't have to have a separate key for arcane shot and multishot |
| 08:47.50 | Semlar | it just replaced both of them |
| 08:48.02 | Shockah | jump up + Disengage + Posthaste is very good though |
| 08:48.13 | Semlar | posthaste is almost mandatory because of the root break |
| 08:48.24 | Semlar | i wish it just did that passively |
| 08:48.39 | nevcairiel | in pvp, but how o ften does one need that in pve |
| 08:48.44 | Semlar | a lot |
| 08:48.49 | Shockah | there are some encounters |
| 08:48.56 | Shockah | like, Botanist in Nighthold |
| 08:48.57 | nevcairiel | guess i'm just not aware, i have a baseline root break in my class |
| 08:49.07 | Semlar | you know when the spiders jump on your face in the arcway and you can't move |
| 08:49.10 | nevcairiel | i do it instinctively |
| 08:49.11 | Shockah | or that |
| 08:49.29 | Semlar | you can disengage out of that with posthaste |
| 08:49.38 | Constie | As Shadow I can have +40% movement speed for 3 seconds with a cooldown of 5 or so depending on current haste. It's pretty nice. |
| 08:50.09 | Semlar | and in vault of the wardens, when that one jailer ghost guy casts his jail on a random target you can break out of that |
| 08:50.19 | Semlar | it also breaks all slows |
| 08:50.25 | nevcairiel | thats true, always nice when classes can do that |
| 08:50.29 | nevcairiel | that jail does some serious damage |
| 08:50.36 | Semlar | yeah it avoids a lot of damage |
| 08:50.58 | Semlar | but the problem is, the talent is so good i don't even know what else is on that tier |
| 08:51.20 | Semlar | okay i do know one of the other talents |
| 08:51.37 | Shockah | [ Attachment: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337179640852643840/406370582825795586/unknown.png ] |
| 08:51.37 | Semlar | i've been using the one that passively makes me run 30% faster when not attacking for 3 seconds, because i can't keep up with the groups otherwise |
| 08:52.02 | Semlar | but it's objectively worse during actual encounters |
| 08:52.34 | Semlar | it's like they took aspect of the cheetah and then required us to spec into it just to have something to put on the talent list |
| 08:52.39 | Constie | The "Your ability critical strikes have a 15% chance to reset the remaining cooldown on Disengage." one seems kind of bad. |
| 08:53.16 | Semlar | i have literally not even tried to see how that does in an actual fight because the vanilla disengage is not very good |
| 08:53.20 | Constie | Although I guess on average that just means its reset every trash pack, maybe. |
| 08:53.31 | Constie | s/its/it's/ |
| 08:53.38 | Semlar | disengage without posthaste's speed buff is pretty lackluster |
| 08:54.00 | VIad | I disengage on argus because I am lazy and its easier to dodge the death cone |
| 08:54.15 | Semlar | there used to be a glyph that made disengage go farther |
| 08:54.23 | Shockah | if you need to disengage on Argus, you're standing in a bad spot to begin with |
| 08:54.23 | Semlar | and that made it a little more useful |
| 08:54.46 | Semlar | well, it's faster to reposition yourself using disengage than running, so it's less dps downtime |
| 08:54.55 | Constie | Does it really not go far enough if you jump first? I feel like it goes pretty far then. |
| 08:55.02 | Shockah | i'm BM, i don't know what downtime means |
| 08:55.36 | VIad | it's lfr :P |
| 08:55.45 | VIad | doubt there are any good spots to stand in on arugs lfr |
| 08:56.18 | Constie | More like Arghus. |
| 08:56.41 | VIad | druids got moonkin disengage + flap that pretty much makes the old hunter disengage+nitro+parachute |
| 08:56.51 | Semlar | sephuz's secret isn't even given a ranking in the legendary list in the hunter guide on icy veins |
| 08:56.59 | Semlar | that's a good sign |
| 08:57.04 | VIad | I wouldnt trust icy veins too much, hunter discord go! |
| 08:57.10 | Shockah | wait what, Flap can be used for something useful? |
| 08:57.22 | VIad | jupp |
| 08:57.38 | Semlar | uh the hunter guide is written by the hunter god-king azortharion, so i just blindly accept everything it says |
| 08:57.43 | VIad | :D |
| 08:57.52 | VIad | think boots are bis |
| 08:57.55 | Semlar | i know enough not to question his advice |
| 08:58.12 | Semlar | also i've been in the hunter discord |
| 08:58.19 | Semlar | and it's exactly what you would expect |
| 08:58.35 | Shockah | Sephuz is still love on Eonar and Hasabel though |
| 08:58.37 | VIad | hunters that spam screenshots of their pets and cute names? |
| 08:58.53 | Semlar | hunters being hunters |
| 08:59.26 | Constie | Wowhead has a thing showing top builds including legendaries used from Warcraft Logs data in the talent calculator now. |
| 08:59.31 | Semlar | do you have to actually win your first battleground of the day to get wakeful essences or not |
| 08:59.37 | Shockah | yes |
| 09:00.00 | Semlar | they should double the bonus |
| 09:00.15 | Semlar | also they should put it somewhere in the interface, because you literally can't see the reward, as far as i can tell |
| 09:01.39 | Semlar | also the honor bonus is ridiculously low for doing pvp, how do people prestige like this |
| 09:01.47 | VIad | arena 10 wins giving special rewards isnt even visible :P |
| 09:02.00 | VIad | blizzneeds to make the UI show like reward panel and show what you need to do to get those rewards |
| 09:02.11 | Semlar | you would need to win like 200 battlegrounds to prestige once? |
| 09:02.13 | VIad | like how you got in heartstone the cards to indicate progress to a free pack |
| 09:02.20 | Semlar | this would take forever |
| 09:02.26 | Constie | There's a person in my guild who's gotten all the prestige mounts or whatever so far from just the "PvP" world quests. |
| 09:02.43 | Semlar | that's honestly more appealing than spamming random battlegrounds |
| 09:02.57 | Semlar | they give about as much honor as the first win of the day |
| 09:03.29 | Semlar | rated pvp MUST give a lot of honor or i can't see how you could ever grind this in a reasonable timeframe |
| 09:04.21 | Constie | I imagine the idea is that it doesn't seem so bad if you actually enjoy doing the BGs or whatever, though. |
| 09:04.23 | Semlar | if all i did was pvp all day every day it would take months and months to unlock the artifact skin that requires prestige 11 |
| 09:04.43 | Semlar | ain't nobody got time for that |
| 09:05.04 | Semlar | and then there's one that requires prestige 15 i think |
| 09:05.19 | Semlar | hey i enjoy pvp |
| 09:05.39 | Semlar | but not what appears to be an endless grind to get the reward i'm after |
| 09:06.47 | Semlar | i also have better gear than the top ranked arena players after being back for like 2 weeks |
| 09:06.51 | Semlar | from pve |
| 09:07.06 | Semlar | so i go into these arenas with better stats than like everyone i've faced |
| 09:07.18 | Semlar | this seems horribly unbalanced |
| 09:07.24 | Constie | But do you have honor? No. |
| 09:07.29 | Semlar | no i do not |
| 09:07.31 | Torhal | Shots fired! |
| 09:08.21 | Semlar | alright i need some advice about hot to kill a demon hunter |
| 09:08.34 | Semlar | because i have faced demon hunters in battlegrounds that appear to be unkillable |
| 09:08.52 | Semlar | i mean like one guy will attack a node with 5 people defending it, by himself, and not die |
| 09:09.03 | Semlar | so i'm wondering what the trick is to kill them |
| 09:09.33 | Semlar | how do they heal |
| 09:10.17 | Semlar | it's like trying to kill a training dummy |
| 09:11.40 | Semlar | also where is seat of the triumvirate because i just signed up for a +15 and if i ask them where it is i'm going to get kicked |
| 09:12.05 | Semlar | i'll just wait for a summon |
| 09:12.17 | mitch0 | in the secret tunnel in Ironforge |
| 09:12.27 | Semlar | i totally know what i'm doing |
| 09:12.31 | mitch0 | ;) |
| 09:12.50 | Constie | Northwest Mac'Aree? Somewhere around Argus. |
| 09:12.52 | Constie | I think. |
| 09:13.22 | Shockah | west actually |
| 09:13.35 | Shockah | right near the Shadowguard Incursion teleporter |
| 09:13.40 | Constie | I'm a genius expert at getting to the raid (relative to the rest of my guild), but I've only been to the dungeon once. |
| 09:15.38 | Semlar | how hard could this be |
| 09:17.06 | Constie | You're going to do great. I believe in you 100%. |
| 09:17.21 | Semlar | don't worry, i found the instance |
| 09:47.10 | Semlar | we successfully completed the instance |
| 09:47.26 | nevcairiel | and noone flamed you for being a newb? |
| 09:47.55 | Semlar | it turns out i don't actually have to know any of the fights to be an amazing hunter |
| 09:48.09 | nevcairiel | guess the bar is low for hunters |
| 09:48.11 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 09:48.17 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 09:48.39 | nevcairiel | i'm a tank, everyone always expects me to know everything |
| 09:48.50 | Semlar | why do you think i play a hunter |
| 09:49.07 | nevcairiel | also that hunter boss with his pets in seat is so annoying |
| 09:49.09 | Constie | Poor judgement? |
| 09:49.10 | Semlar | underpromise, overdeliver |
| 09:49.12 | Kalroth | "Semlar you can stop feigning dead the boss is dead now" |
| 09:49.35 | Kalroth | "No Semlar you cant have that epic it is for paladins only" |
| 09:50.17 | Semlar | if they didn't want us equipping 2 handers they wouldn't have given us the ability to do it |
| 09:50.29 | nevcairiel | didnt they take that ability again |
| 09:51.03 | Shockah | isn't it back in because of survival hunters |
| 09:51.15 | nevcairiel | hunters are in a odd place, being the only class where different specs use entirely different classes of weapons |
| 09:51.36 | Semlar | i agree, i should be able to transmog my bow into a sword |
| 09:51.53 | Semlar | i also think it's total bullshit that i can't use enchant illusions on my weapons |
| 09:52.01 | nevcairiel | but of course they're also the only class using a ranged weapon |
| 09:52.06 | Semlar | everyone else gets a glowy weapon |
| 09:52.07 | nevcairiel | which is always annoying on loot tables |
| 09:52.21 | Constie | At the very least you should get to have glowy enchants on your arrows. |
| 09:52.25 | Semlar | why can't i enchant my bowstring or something |
| 09:52.33 | nevcairiel | you cant put enchant illusions on artifacts period, but what if you mog it to something else, still no? |
| 09:52.45 | Semlar | ranged weapons can't display enchants |
| 09:52.53 | Semlar | except like one, which was a bug |
| 09:53.08 | Semlar | and they fixed it by not allowing us to even attempt to apply the illusions any more |
| 09:53.12 | Shockah | i just realized we're going back to having weapons drop from raid bosses in BfA, which will suck due to guns/bows/crossbows |
| 09:53.25 | nevcairiel | yeah screw hunters |
| 09:53.29 | nevcairiel | taking up space in loot tables |
| 09:53.45 | Semlar | you could briefly apply enchants to the wolfslayer sniper rifle and it would actually glow |
| 09:54.00 | Constie | At least personal loot is a thing now. |
| 09:54.04 | nevcairiel | rifles are probably ok-ish to display that, they usually have a more solid body that can glow |
| 09:54.07 | nevcairiel | not like bows |
| 09:54.14 | Semlar | i could enchant my arrows |
| 09:54.27 | Semlar | they could explode into a cloud of enchanty stuff |
| 09:54.29 | Shockah | we're still doing master loot with our own loot distribution system in my guild |
| 09:54.57 | Semlar | i'm gonna be honest, i much prefer raids where they just set the loot mode to personal |
| 09:55.10 | Semlar | epgp and loot council are dumb |
| 09:55.29 | Shockah | it's not even epgp nor loot council, the system is just extended need/greed/pass |
| 09:55.43 | Constie | I think we were going to switch to a loot system in WoD, but never got around to it or something. Personal's been working fine. |
| 09:56.03 | Semlar | you don't have to deal with someone handing out the loot either |
| 09:56.09 | Semlar | you can just keep going |
| 09:56.18 | Shockah | 2-set > 4-set > major > minor > transmog > warforged > offspec > pass/disenchant |
| 09:56.48 | Shockah | aren't tier pieces an issue when doing personal loot? |
| 09:57.09 | Semlar | so far i've gotten the chrono shard trinket and an actual legendary out of the arcway, but not the bracers i'm after |
| 09:57.10 | Shockah | if you don't want your piece, you can only trade off to the same class |
| 09:57.32 | Semlar | that's easily solved by only inviting hunters |
| 09:58.23 | Shockah | well at least the problem is non-existent in BfA |
| 10:03.05 | Semlar | what does +14 ND DPS & TANK mean |
| 10:03.16 | Semlar | specifically ND |
| 10:03.25 | Constie | No Deaths run. |
| 10:03.36 | Semlar | isn't that typically what you aim for |
| 10:03.57 | Constie | Or No Druids. |
| 10:04.21 | Semlar | when a group wants someone who can lust, i'm supposed to just sign up as a marksmanship hunter without a pet right |
| 10:05.19 | Semlar | hey it worked |
| 10:07.49 | VIad | "ND" run kek never seen that |
| 10:08.02 | VIad | is it relevant if someone dies or not except if doing the helyja achievement? :p |
| 10:08.54 | Semlar | well it was for maw of souls |
| 10:12.21 | VIad | mos+14 nd run is weird tbh |
| 10:12.37 | VIad | not even +15 nor is it achievement related so I dunno |
| 10:12.55 | VIad | dont see the appeal dropping a healer on a instance where you got ton of aoe dmg or stuff targeting dps |
| 10:16.18 | Simca_ | it's skittish week |
| 10:16.39 | Simca_ | unless semlar is misdirecting like a boss and melee are watching their threat closely |
| 10:16.40 | VIad | ah ok, and fortified. like no healer on last boss or harbaron, really? :P |
| 10:16.42 | Simca_ | people will die |
| 10:16.51 | Simca_ | and it won't even be the healer's fault |
| 10:17.13 | VIad | get a DH tank for massive aoe dmg and get a hunter to MD him and a rogue and done |
| 10:20.53 | VIad | ofc pug world is different |
| 10:24.33 | Simca_ | in pug world, the DH will spin in circles hitting nothing, the rogue won't know what tricks of the trade is, and the hunter will misdirect his pet because that's how he set up his macro 10 years ago |
| 10:24.39 | VIad | :D |
| 10:24.47 | VIad | 10/10 |
| 10:25.04 | VIad | portal keeper btw has obstruction view issues :/ |
| 10:25.17 | VIad | players on the platform sometimes can't cast on the miniboss |
| 10:29.35 | VIad | "Your vision of the target is obscured" :( #rip |
| 10:29.38 | Shockah | at least you don't have pet stupidity issues |
| 10:29.45 | Shockah | with pets staying on platforms randomly |
| 10:29.47 | VIad | rip BM :D |
| 10:33.03 | VIad | blizz needs to like code in navpaths for hunter pets in encounters, so they can walk up/down spots people need to dps :) |
| 10:33.07 | Shockah | i still refuse to run Upper Karazhan m+ |
| 10:33.19 | VIad | upper this week is pretty okay with fortified |
| 10:33.25 | Shockah | it's never okay as BM |
| 10:33.30 | VIad | :D |
| 10:33.37 | VIad | does pet trigger flame wreath? |
| 10:33.44 | Shockah | nah |
| 10:33.47 | Shockah | but gets stuck everywhere |
| 10:33.48 | VIad | phew |
| 10:33.56 | VIad | pathing is bad in there yes |
| 10:34.01 | VIad | a lot of jumps and crap |
| 10:50.42 | Semlar | will flame wreath go off if you move after the boss dies |
| 10:51.28 | Semlar | because i was standing them for 15 seconds after the fight ended |
| 10:51.36 | Semlar | there |
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| 11:00.56 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt risk it =p |
| 11:02.32 | Simca_ | what i think is weird that they changed is that flame wreath goes off if you die |
| 11:02.35 | Simca_ | it didn't in old kara |
| 11:02.59 | Simca_ | you'd think losing a group member is enough of a punishment |
| 11:05.02 | nevcairiel | your corpse falls into it and explodes it, clearly |
| 11:06.39 | VIad | Semlar: the dot ticks but it wont blow if you move out of it :) |
| 11:07.12 | Simca_ | maybe they thought nobody would die, but that fireball shit really really hurts if you get targeted multiple times through sheer RNG and so does the flame wreath dot itself |
| 11:07.21 | Simca_ | on high m+ anyway |
| 11:07.40 | VIad | interrupt fireball if the target has the debuff already, and especially if he is also in flame wreath :D and tyrannical |
| 11:08.10 | Simca_ | yeah we've switched towards that more |
| 11:08.31 | Simca_ | interrupting fireballs and letting missiles go off on tank, at least as long as he has CDs |
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| 11:14.33 | Semlar | what if i just interrupt nothing and cast aimed shot repeatedly |
| 11:15.36 | Semlar | is there an addon that tracks everyone else's interrupt cooldowns in the group so i know when i actually need to use mine |
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| 11:17.26 | Simca_ | probably |
| 11:17.52 | Simca_ | but the solution is pretty easy, if there is a cast going off and it has reached 0.5 sec left and nobody has gotten it, use yours |
| 11:18.09 | Semlar | that's how everyone's interrupts end up on cooldown |
| 11:18.15 | Simca_ | nah |
| 11:18.26 | Simca_ | most people snipe interrupts the second they see the spell (a mistake) |
| 11:18.53 | Simca_ | i almost never run into another person's interrupt hitting it at the last second |
| 11:19.06 | Semlar | i save my interrupt because it has a huge cooldown until it doesn't look like anyone else is going to get it |
| 11:19.28 | Semlar | but i'd like to know if people's interrupts are actually on cooldown and can't get it |
| 11:19.35 | Semlar | or are just waiting to use theirs |
| 11:19.59 | Semlar | but i don't want to look up every interrupt for every class and make an addon to do this |
| 11:20.12 | Semlar | maybe if there were already a convenient list |
| 11:20.37 | Simca_ | actually, hold on |
| 11:20.45 | Simca_ | let me try something for you, just for the lols |
| 11:21.00 | Semlar | come to think of it i think i did look up every interrupt for every class to make an addon that tracks interrupts |
| 11:21.02 | Simca_ | there's this weird categorization db2 for spells nobody uses |
| 11:21.14 | Simca_ | i wonder if it's got a thing for interrupts |
| 11:21.16 | Semlar | but it's probably outdated now |
| 11:21.39 | Semlar | i know there is a flag to mark whether a spell is an interrupt in the db but you also need to filter it by player spells |
| 11:22.02 | Semlar | also i can't extract that data any more because my scripts are probably way out of date |
| 11:23.24 | Semlar | what is weakauras.online |
| 11:25.25 | Semlar | https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20752065800 i found at least one WA script for this |
| 11:26.03 | Semlar | "Note: This was originally written back in Legion" what expansion are we on |
| 11:29.17 | Simca_ | wrath of the lich king |
| 11:29.39 | Semlar | stupid time travel |
| 11:31.51 | Semlar | well i know enough to know that this doesn't look like a complete list of spells |
| 11:32.33 | Semlar | the one i made for my interrupt tracker was enormous |
| 11:33.17 | Semlar | although that included stuns and knockbacks and things |
| 11:48.29 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.14 | Simca_ | stuns and knockbacks and stuff is somewhat less useful for the purpose of boss interrupts |
| 11:49.36 | Semlar | yeah this was for an addon that tracked when people interrupted something, not for tracking their cooldowns |
| 11:50.08 | Semlar | and this is also almost certainly outdated because i wrote it years ago |
| 11:50.54 | StephenLynx | what is the current profession meta? I read they stopped giving bonus on wod |
| 11:51.22 | Semlar | alchemy still has double flask duration |
| 11:51.55 | StephenLynx | so, fuck all? |
| 11:52.08 | StephenLynx | you just do stuff and sell them or equip? |
| 11:52.34 | Semlar | i have enchanting and engineering |
| 11:52.47 | StephenLynx | do they increase your dps/healing/survivability? |
| 11:53.13 | StephenLynx | what about consumables? is it still flask/elixir and food? |
| 11:53.32 | Simca_ | flask, potions, food, and augment runes |
| 11:53.57 | Simca_ | and optionally vantus rune but that's a guild-wide decision on difficult progression bosses usually since you only get 1 per week |
| 11:54.27 | StephenLynx | and pvp gear? you still start from crafted gear and get upgrades doing arenas and bgs? |
| 11:54.33 | Semlar | there is no pvp gear |
| 11:54.39 | StephenLynx | huh |
| 11:54.50 | StephenLynx | interesting. |
| 11:54.54 | Simca_ | no, there is. it just doesn't matter exactly, at least for instanced PvP |
| 11:55.01 | StephenLynx | so the meta is do anything and roll gear all the time? |
| 11:55.30 | Simca_ | it's similar to the Guild Wars 2 system where instanced PvP only considers the 'level' (itemlevel in this case) of your gear and then gives you stats based on your ilvl and your character's spec |
| 11:55.51 | StephenLynx | hm |
| 11:56.06 | StephenLynx | and the general meta? is how I described? |
| 11:56.11 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 11:56.18 | StephenLynx | well, thats interesting. |
| 11:56.22 | Simca_ | the change between low ilvl and high ilvl on pvp template stats is not very large either, like maybe 20% |
| 11:56.45 | Simca_ | you can't 1shot people in BGs just because of they have bad gear really |
| 11:56.53 | Simca_ | (though you sure as hell can in world pvp, LOL) |
| 11:57.05 | StephenLynx | I can't say I really liked to grind for specific stuff, like some faction for that epic piece. |
| 11:57.10 | StephenLynx | what about enchants? |
| 11:57.14 | StephenLynx | did that change? |
| 11:57.28 | StephenLynx | aside from player-made, you still have to get some faction to sell you it? |
| 11:57.46 | Simca_ | all of the ones that increase player power are player-made now |
| 11:57.53 | StephenLynx | i see. |
| 11:58.04 | StephenLynx | i noticed all my gems vanished from my cata gear. |
| 11:58.09 | StephenLynx | what happened to that? |
| 11:58.19 | Simca_ | that'ssss a good question |
| 11:58.33 | [TOM_RUS] | https://paste2.org/9zsvtZ9V live vs beta UI diff |
| 11:58.34 | Simca_ | it's possible they were in a stat that no longer exists |
| 11:58.42 | StephenLynx | ah yeah |
| 11:58.46 | StephenLynx | thers no more hit |
| 11:58.47 | StephenLynx | right? |
| 11:58.54 | StephenLynx | I noticed nothing gives that anymore. |
| 11:59.10 | StephenLynx | and I was probably stuffing everything on that. |
| 11:59.37 | StephenLynx | and reforges? |
| 11:59.43 | StephenLynx | did that change? |
| 11:59.50 | StephenLynx | I noticed gear have some flexible stats now. |
| 12:00.21 | Simca_ | so most (but not all) gear has a flexible primary stat between Str/Agi/Int, so it's always what is more useful for you |
| 12:00.26 | Simca_ | reforging does not exist now |
| 12:00.30 | StephenLynx | ok |
| 12:01.13 | StephenLynx | glyphs are still there ,right? |
| 12:01.19 | StephenLynx | doing some minor stuff |
| 12:01.37 | Shockah | mostly appearance stuff |
| 12:02.21 | StephenLynx | RIP people who got inscription |
| 12:02.31 | StephenLynx | their profession got 100% shit canned |
| 12:03.23 | StephenLynx | so useful professions are jc, enchant, alch |
| 12:03.33 | StephenLynx | since they make consumables |
| 12:03.58 | StephenLynx | and herblore |
| 12:04.05 | StephenLynx | how useful is anything outside that? |
| 12:04.37 | Simca_ | i mean engineering is cool for nitros |
| 12:04.45 | StephenLynx | cool, but useful? |
| 12:04.59 | Simca_ | you probably named the top 3 |
| 12:05.14 | StephenLynx | well, before they revamped profs any profession would give you a stat. |
| 12:05.15 | Shockah | i don't remember anything good being added to engi in Legion |
| 12:05.26 | StephenLynx | most even give a choice. |
| 12:05.44 | StephenLynx | except for herblore, I think it only gave you some shitty heal |
| 12:05.46 | Varyak | yeah getting rid of the profession boni was stupid |
| 12:06.00 | StephenLynx | guess ill drop skinning+leather on my hunter then |
| 12:06.30 | StephenLynx | and yeah, Varyak I can't say I dig their decision. |
| 12:06.36 | StephenLynx | they pretty much made most professions useless. |
| 12:06.49 | StephenLynx | if they don't even give you a stat, why bother? |
| 12:07.09 | StephenLynx | did that impact the economy? |
| 12:07.52 | StephenLynx | i mean, the least they could have done is to make all professions useless |
| 12:07.55 | StephenLynx | that would balance things out. |
| 12:09.22 | StephenLynx | also, is it just me getting awful framerates because of my old-ass 4core cpu |
| 12:09.32 | StephenLynx | even with a nvidia 970 |
| 12:09.39 | StephenLynx | or is it because im running it on wine |
| 12:09.49 | StephenLynx | or did they fucked it up on the engine? |
| 12:09.53 | Simca_ | well wine certainly doesn't help |
| 12:10.11 | Simca_ | but some people have reported some fps issues after the latest patch |
| 12:10.27 | StephenLynx | also, im annoying opengl was completely bananas to me |
| 12:10.32 | StephenLynx | fubar rendering |
| 12:10.36 | StephenLynx | annoyed* |
| 12:10.47 | StephenLynx | settled on dx11 |
| 12:11.13 | StephenLynx | almost installing windows and making it a wow machine |
| 12:11.28 | StephenLynx | which is a shame, 1.12 runs so fine on it |
| 12:11.31 | StephenLynx | :| |
| 12:12.09 | Shockah | yeah, i think VIad was saying something about OpenGL being completely broken |
| 12:12.43 | StephenLynx | when did that happen? because I found videos of people running legion on wine. was it 7.3.5 wrecking everything? |
| 12:12.56 | StephenLynx | running legion using opengl* |
| 12:15.00 | StephenLynx | can't wait for classic. |
| 12:15.17 | Simca_ | opengl is not fully dead yet but it will be in 8.0 |
| 12:15.27 | StephenLynx | what did they mean by "metal"? |
| 12:15.42 | Simca_ | Mac's graphics API |
| 12:15.44 | Shockah | Metal is the macOS API |
| 12:15.46 | StephenLynx | ah |
| 12:15.52 | Shockah | think DirectX but macOS |
| 12:16.00 | StephenLynx | well, fuck, I thought it was some weird term for opengl |
| 12:16.12 | Simca_ | i mean, it basically is |
| 12:16.28 | Simca_ | but they apple'd it enough that it's too different to use natively on linux |
| 12:16.29 | StephenLynx | well, not exactly opengl, but OSX fork |
| 12:16.31 | Simca_ | yeah |
| 12:16.47 | Simca_ | that's what it is basically, an OSX fork of OpenGL with their own additions |
| 12:17.08 | StephenLynx | thats a bummer, and here I was hoping devs would get on board with opengl and vulkan |
| 12:17.11 | StephenLynx | instead of doubling down on dx |
| 12:17.45 | StephenLynx | btw, what does those weird keystones give you? |
| 12:17.56 | StephenLynx | what do you get for completing those challenges? |
| 12:20.16 | Simca_ | quite strong gear, and an extra strong piece of gear at the end of the week based on the highest you did |
| 12:20.39 | StephenLynx | i see. you get roll on a higher ilvl? |
| 12:21.07 | Simca_ | yeah the one at the end of the week is always at least 10 ilvls higher than what you could have gotten out of the dungeon you completed |
| 12:21.13 | Simca_ | usually 15 |
| 12:21.37 | StephenLynx | consequently they also ended that currency fuckery |
| 12:21.37 | Simca_ | at least in my PvE guild, i try to get most people to do one mythic+ per week, just for that |
| 12:22.11 | StephenLynx | now that I look at it, I can say Im on board with most of their changes. |
| 12:22.38 | StephenLynx | things were getting convoluted and turning in an endless series of checklists. |
| 12:23.33 | StephenLynx | I remember gearing 4 or 5 chars for raids on wotlk and 1 on cata |
| 12:23.36 | StephenLynx | and that wasn't exactly fun. |
| 12:24.10 | StephenLynx | specially on the first patch, where you'd have to farm a shitload of reputation. |
| 12:24.21 | StephenLynx | and couldn't just buy stuff with currency |
| 12:24.46 | StephenLynx | even the talents, I see that now you get less options, but they are more meaningful. |
| 12:24.53 | StephenLynx | fewer options* |
| 12:25.33 | Shockah | actually there was usually *the one* option back then |
| 12:25.47 | Shockah | now there's multiple viable options, depending on the specific content you plan on doing |
| 12:25.59 | StephenLynx | I mean, not viable options, just raw options. |
| 12:26.48 | StephenLynx | I also fucking LOVED shit stacking to 200 and having extra shitload of bank slots for them |
| 12:27.14 | StephenLynx | back in wotlk I created a guild on an alt just to use its guild bank to hoard stuff |
| 12:27.59 | StephenLynx | what about garrisons? |
| 12:28.19 | StephenLynx | whats their relevance currently? |
| 12:28.24 | Shockah | none |
| 12:28.37 | StephenLynx | great. |
| 12:28.45 | Shockah | they nerfed the gold rewards to the ground with the release of Legion |
| 12:29.14 | StephenLynx | aside from gear and levels, is there anything to unlock that gives you a competitive advantage? I remember some weird thing |
| 12:29.23 | StephenLynx | i guess it was artifacts? |
| 12:29.30 | StephenLynx | that had a shitload of levels to obtain |
| 12:29.48 | Shockah | you get your artifact right after reaching the Dalaran over Broken Isles |
| 12:29.57 | Shockah | the third relic slot gets now unlocked right after hitting 110 |
| 12:30.03 | StephenLynx | ok, and |
| 12:30.08 | Shockah | and everyone's artifact knowledge is at max level now |
| 12:30.14 | Shockah | meaning you basically get one artifact power item |
| 12:30.15 | StephenLynx | how does that work? how you get lvl cap on it? |
| 12:30.20 | Shockah | and it gets you all the traits |
| 12:30.58 | Shockah | the only thing that will take a while is getting it to high enough level to get Netherlight Crucible traits on relic |
| 12:31.01 | Shockah | *relics |
| 12:31.34 | Shockah | but it doesn't make much difference whether you have them or not |
| 12:32.04 | StephenLynx | can it increase your dps? |
| 12:32.12 | Shockah | yes |
| 12:32.14 | Shockah | but barely |
| 12:32.39 | StephenLynx | it seems you just have to quest. |
| 12:32.41 | StephenLynx | is that right? |
| 12:33.12 | Shockah | that's what i did - do world quests awarding loot, do some heroics, get into LFR, get into low mythic+ dungeons |
| 12:33.27 | Shockah | and boom i'm 940 ilvl |
| 12:33.35 | StephenLynx | so you just do stuff? |
| 12:33.53 | StephenLynx | like droping gear? |
| 12:34.06 | StephenLynx | you do a bunch of stuff, dice get rolled and stuff happens? |
| 12:34.15 | Shockah | yeah. it's pretty easy to gear now |
| 12:34.25 | Shockah | at least from my experience |
| 12:35.07 | StephenLynx | ok, seems pretty stupid-proof |
| 12:35.28 | StephenLynx | any relevant dailies? |
| 12:36.08 | Shockah | you may want to do your emissary quests (each one is 4 world quests of the specific faction) - you can clear all of them once every 3 days, so semi-daily |
| 12:36.24 | StephenLynx | what do you get from it? |
| 12:36.29 | Shockah | other than that just look out for any world quests with good gear that may pop up |
| 12:37.12 | Shockah | do you know about Legion legendaries? |
| 12:37.26 | StephenLynx | I know you get legendaries like fucking candy and they mean fuck all |
| 12:37.46 | Shockah | actually from my experience they've been pretty rare |
| 12:37.47 | Shockah | anyway |
| 12:38.11 | Shockah | since 7.3.5 there's this currency called Wakening Essence, which you can spend on getting a random legendary |
| 12:38.27 | StephenLynx | how rare? up to cata you had to be pretty hardcore to get any legendary. |
| 12:38.35 | Shockah | you get it from the first random heroic, from emissaries, LFR, weekly m+ chest and pvp |
| 12:38.46 | StephenLynx | its the new top currency, right? |
| 12:39.14 | Shockah | if you do everything but pvp, you get about 900 per week; the cost of a new legendary is 1000 |
| 12:39.38 | StephenLynx | and you think thats rare :| |
| 12:39.44 | Shockah | because it used to be |
| 12:39.57 | Shockah | i mean, not Cata-rare |
| 12:40.04 | StephenLynx | thats what I meant. |
| 12:40.18 | Shockah | but it's pretty annoying when everyone else has their 2 legendaries and you just started out having none |
| 12:40.28 | StephenLynx | thats because they are legendaries |
| 12:40.33 | StephenLynx | you are not entitled to it. |
| 12:40.41 | StephenLynx | you have to bust your balls to get it. |
| 12:40.48 | StephenLynx | thats their whole point. |
| 12:40.49 | Shockah | Legion is the expansion of "everyone gets them legendaries" |
| 12:40.59 | StephenLynx | yeah, pretty lame. |
| 12:41.11 | Shockah | and they're 1000 ilvl |
| 12:41.28 | Shockah | so even stat-wise they are a pretty big boost |
| 12:41.46 | StephenLynx | there is no actual hardcore gear anymore. back in vanilla it was epics, then it was legendaries up to cata |
| 12:42.26 | Shockah | well, unless you count the one legendary which is pure random drop from Argus, 0.5% chance or so to get it per week |
| 12:42.40 | StephenLynx | see |
| 12:42.46 | StephenLynx | even if the stats were the same |
| 12:42.57 | StephenLynx | they could have called all of the welfare legendaries just epics |
| 12:43.05 | StephenLynx | and keep those really rare and powerful ones legendaries. |
| 12:43.24 | Shockah | tbh i'm not a fan of the current rarities in WoW |
| 12:43.29 | StephenLynx | then legendaries would still have a meaning. |
| 12:43.32 | Shockah | everyone is all epic geared |
| 12:43.45 | StephenLynx | but people are fucking obsessed with pixels for some reason. |
| 12:43.56 | StephenLynx | even at the cost of any form of flavor the game had. |
| 12:44.03 | StephenLynx | and yeah, even epics dont actually mean epics. |
| 12:44.16 | StephenLynx | if its trivial to get the,. |
| 12:44.56 | StephenLynx | the whole wow paradigm is kind of fucked, tbh. |
| 12:45.06 | StephenLynx | the chew and spit content mentality. |
| 12:45.26 | StephenLynx | its so, so inefficient from a development perspective. |
| 12:46.14 | StephenLynx | imagine if they designed the core of the game in a way that even vanilla raids were relevant |
| 12:46.36 | StephenLynx | how much more variety people would experience. |
| 12:47.07 | StephenLynx | I went from 85 to 90 in a couple days, I cleared on area and did a few quests in pandaria. |
| 12:47.14 | StephenLynx | I finished 2 dungeons |
| 12:47.18 | StephenLynx | went to a third |
| 12:47.19 | StephenLynx | and thats it. |
| 12:47.28 | StephenLynx | thats everything ill ever see from the whole expansion. |
| 12:47.53 | StephenLynx | cleared one zone and did a few quests in another* |
| 12:48.47 | StephenLynx | all I know is that theres some magic bullshit where people's fee fees manifest, something about a dragon that is disguised as an insufferable girl and the people who wrote it are shit |
| 12:49.03 | StephenLynx | ah something about turnips and carrots |
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| 14:05.06 | StephenLynx | i also like how you have to earn flying from wod. |
| 14:05.23 | StephenLynx | first thing I can say wod improved. |
| 14:05.48 | StephenLynx | i seriously hope they don't start removing this requisite after a while. |
| 14:05.58 | StephenLynx | like, removing from wod when bfa releases. |
| 14:22.09 | ThiefMaster | i hope they do remove that silly restriction |
| 14:23.18 | ThiefMaster | besides the rep grind i liked it in legion (i hate rep grinds) - having to do all the quest chains etc. but as someone who didn't play since cata i really cba to do dailies etc to get flying in old-content areas |
| 14:25.47 | StephenLynx | i like that people can't fly |
| 14:25.54 | StephenLynx | I enjoy the casual questing pvp |
| 14:26.01 | StephenLynx | got a 2-1 score on a dk yesterday on pandaria |
| 14:26.03 | StephenLynx | :v |
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| 14:26.19 | Semlar | thankfully they're removing pvp in the next expansion |
| 14:26.24 | StephenLynx | lmao |
| 14:26.32 | StephenLynx | youre not serious, are you? |
| 14:26.49 | StephenLynx | at this point you can't tell what is a joke and isn't on wow |
| 14:27.06 | Semlar | i believe they are getting rid of all pvp servers |
| 14:27.20 | StephenLynx | now I know its a joke |
| 14:27.25 | StephenLynx | since they don't remove servers. |
| 14:28.51 | StephenLynx | good lord, toggable world pvp? |
| 14:30.16 | ThiefMaster | yeah seems lame. i mean i hate getting ganked and corpse-camped, but one "friendly" kill and then letting each other keep questing does add some fun and is a reason why i'm on a pvp server |
| 14:31.24 | StephenLynx | yeah, they could do something like, preventing people over X levels from attacking others. |
| 14:31.30 | StephenLynx | to prevent cowardly ganking. |
| 14:31.30 | Semlar | there is quite literally no reason to be on a pvp server other than to gank people who are trying to do something other than pvp and don't have a chance of fighting back |
| 14:31.53 | StephenLynx | but giving an option to play like its a pve server is ridiculous. |
| 14:34.54 | Constie | You won't be able to toggle at any time, so it seems like it shouldn't be too much different from the current PvP server experience. |
| 14:35.16 | StephenLynx | also, what is this "class fantasy" meme I an seeing a lot lately? |
| 14:36.13 | VIad | class fantasy, you mean like BM pets getting stuck everywhere? :D |
| 14:36.36 | Simca_ | blizzard justified some weird design choices with the phrase |
| 14:36.38 | Simca_ | so it's a meme |
| 14:37.04 | VIad | wheelchairs should be part of the retridins toolkit to better suit the new class fantasy standards |
| 14:37.34 | StephenLynx | kek |
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| 14:38.25 | Constie | It should only be better, in fact, because you won't have PvP toggled on if you're not really into it, unlike now when some people are on PvP servers because that's the only way they could raid with friends who happened to be there. |
| 14:38.47 | StephenLynx | cant you group with anyone from any server now? |
| 14:39.02 | Simca_ | yeah but you couldn't always |
| 14:39.08 | Simca_ | and transfers are expensive |
| 14:39.11 | Constie | Well, either you want PvP or you think the risk of PvP is worth the extra XP or whatever. |
| 14:39.31 | Semlar | you also can't do mythic raiding cross-realm for reasons |
| 14:39.35 | Semlar | or trade |
| 14:39.40 | StephenLynx | welp |
| 14:39.51 | Semlar | or join a guild on another server |
| 14:39.57 | Simca_ | idk, i'm mixed on it |
| 14:40.14 | Semlar | i don't feel like servers should even exist any more |
| 14:40.16 | VIad | look at wowprog, 80% realms are dead realms in terms of pve :P |
| 14:40.26 | Simca_ | maybe because i had a bad history of following friends around i sort of look down on it now because my old friends led me into shitty situations |
| 14:40.38 | VIad | we had to xfer to ravencrest from a dead realm for recruitment, like 20 times more raiding guilds on here now |
| 14:40.38 | Simca_ | but if your friends lead you into a pvp server and you are really against it |
| 14:40.39 | StephenLynx | Semlar, tbh, I also think thy could use a system similar to runescape |
| 14:40.45 | Simca_ | maybe you should find new friends instead |
| 14:41.08 | StephenLynx | you just log in wherever you want |
| 14:41.16 | Semlar | they aren't physical servers any more, they're all virtual, so the only reason we still have them is because they want them separated |
| 14:41.21 | StephenLynx | problem is with character names. |
| 14:41.46 | VIad | solution use battletags for names :D |
| 14:41.55 | Simca_ | (they are still physical servers fwiw, just some of them have merged character pools with other physical servers) |
| 14:42.00 | StephenLynx | yeah, they would need to come up with something for that. |
| 14:42.11 | Semlar | Simca_: every realm is definitely not on a single server |
| 14:42.15 | VIad | ravencrest consists of multiple virtual servers like its own connected realms |
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| 14:42.28 | Constie | It's a bit weird because of how concentrated player activity is. If all realms were merged on Argus you'd never get anything done. Less of a problem at lower levels. |
| 14:42.30 | VIad | but the weird thing is their IDs are like borrowing unused EU realm names but that exist on US :D |
| 14:43.06 | Semlar | when you're out running around in the world you run into players from other servers that get dumped into the same phase to populate it |
| 14:43.07 | Constie | Although I guess there's the sharding stuff now. |
| 14:43.13 | StephenLynx | also, any idea if blizzardchanged how brazilian servers work? |
| 14:43.26 | Simca_ | they didn't |
| 14:43.31 | Simca_ | NA is still linked with them |
| 14:43.59 | StephenLynx | i remember they had better latency |
| 14:44.03 | StephenLynx | but i was getting about 200ms |
| 14:44.14 | StephenLynx | while I get less than 100 to ping 8.8.8.8 |
| 14:44.54 | StephenLynx | so either they were never that great or they got moved from here |
| 14:45.26 | Simca_ | all of the above |
| 14:48.25 | StephenLynx | also jesus christ http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/682768-varimathras.jpg |
| 14:48.41 | StephenLynx | matty fell into a vat of pure edge |
| 14:48.43 | StephenLynx | :| |
| 14:49.01 | Simca_ | yeah... |
| 14:49.14 | Simca_ | when you meet him he's in a dungeon in the process of being tortured |
| 14:49.52 | StephenLynx | why? wasn't he working for the legion all along? |
| 14:50.01 | Simca_ | yes, but he failed |
| 14:50.11 | Simca_ | twice |
| 14:50.21 | Simca_ | they weren't happy |
| 14:50.24 | StephenLynx | gee, just fire the dude, no need to be dicks v: |
| 14:50.30 | nevcairiel | not very forgiving those legion people |
| 14:50.47 | Funkeh` | anyone made an 8.0 diff? |
| 14:50.58 | Simca_ | yeah tom posted one |
| 14:51.08 | Constie | His Winter Veil outfit was pretty cute. https://i.imgur.com/wmGweBj.jpg |
| 14:51.09 | nevcairiel | just moan at foxlit until he adds it |
| 14:51.12 | Funkeh` | can you re-link please |
| 14:51.19 | Simca_ | <[TOM_RUS]> https://paste2.org/9zsvtZ9V live vs beta UI diff |
| 14:51.19 | StephenLynx | kek |
| 14:52.16 | nevcairiel | sure a lot of docs added |
| 14:52.25 | Simca_ | yep |
| 14:52.40 | Constie | Look at this adorable little pig. http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/695940.jpg |
| 14:52.42 | Simca_ | just at a glance, looks like they renamed and moved a lot of functions into C_ stuff |
| 14:52.51 | Simca_ | then did docs |
| 14:52.55 | StephenLynx | jesus fucking christ, why the fuck is azralon on chicago? |
| 14:53.00 | StephenLynx | no surprise I get 200 fucking ms |
| 14:53.04 | nevcairiel | i hope they skipped the deprecation shit |
| 14:53.09 | nevcairiel | i l ike seeing the world burn |
| 14:55.11 | StephenLynx | also lmao, TIL azralon is 91% horde |
| 14:56.06 | StephenLynx | and 0.4% panda |
| 14:56.19 | Constie | Oh, they'll apparently also be able to make it so populations will be balanced for people who opt into PvP. |
| 14:56.55 | nevcairiel | of course, that was a key premise of making pvp opt-in, so people that basically played pve on a pvp realm because they were 100:1 on their faction dont get pissed off |
| 14:57.24 | StephenLynx | but isn't world zones already mixed and matched? |
| 14:57.29 | StephenLynx | couldn't they fix it there? |
| 14:58.00 | nevcairiel | it is mixed, but not entirely random or balanced |
| 14:59.26 | StephenLynx | so, couldn't they work that system to balance that? |
| 14:59.41 | nevcairiel | clearly thats what they are doing |
| 14:59.52 | StephenLynx | without an opt-in |
| 14:59.58 | nevcairiel | they dont want that |
| 15:00.03 | StephenLynx | fuck them tbh |
| 15:00.09 | StephenLynx | i pay their salary :| |
| 15:00.11 | nevcairiel | besides they are changing it all anyway soon, no reason to start messing with it now |
| 15:00.17 | Funkeh` | a lot of the churn with docs is renaming files and adding events |
| 15:01.10 | Constie | I don't know why you wouldn't want it to be opt-in, unless you're mainly interested in ganking people. |
| 15:01.57 | nevcairiel | a bunch of events seem to get renamed |
| 15:01.58 | StephenLynx | breaks immersion |
| 15:02.07 | StephenLynx | fewer people to pvp with |
| 15:02.22 | StephenLynx | if the issue is level imbalance, make it so you can't attack people too below your level |
| 15:02.30 | nevcairiel | how does that not break immersion |
| 15:02.54 | nevcairiel | its best for immersion if all in your current phase are of the same mind as you, hence everyhting will be better |
| 15:03.16 | StephenLynx | if you can't see them at all, it doesn't break immersion, its transparent. |
| 15:03.18 | Constie | The sharding stuff should make it so you have more to PvP with, since it puts everyone who does want to do it together. |
| 15:03.36 | StephenLynx | or |
| 15:03.42 | StephenLynx | they could just put everyone on pvp servers there. |
| 15:04.07 | StephenLynx | thats what you enlisted for. |
| 15:04.09 | nevcairiel | there will be no such thing as a pve or pvp server in the future |
| 15:05.33 | Funkeh` | ^makes room for more merging |
| 15:05.43 | Funkeh` | less people complaining of dead servers |
| 15:06.06 | nevcairiel | i dont think that was a real problem for linked realms |
| 15:06.11 | nevcairiel | there is plenty of both categories |
| 15:06.43 | Semlar | how about they make it so if someone tries to engage you in world pvp it equalizes your stats so you have a fighting chance of defending yourself |
| 15:07.02 | StephenLynx | or that |
| 15:07.17 | nevcairiel | then why would i farm gear |
| 15:07.24 | StephenLynx | i dunno, toggling it off seems to just kills the spirit of what was a pvp server |
| 15:07.36 | nevcairiel | the spirit died years ago |
| 15:07.40 | Simca_ | i can't disagree with that |
| 15:07.53 | Simca_ | i dunno i can see both sides of it |
| 15:08.03 | nevcairiel | 90% of all pvp servers are unbalanced and there is a majority of people that just play there because of their friends/guilds that dont want to pvp |
| 15:08.14 | Simca_ | that's true. |
| 15:08.29 | Simca_ | imagine if you actually made those servers pvp |
| 15:08.34 | Constie | You're still stuck with PvP on for as long as you're out on a quest run or whatever, so the element of danger is still there. |
| 15:08.43 | Funkeh` | TheDanW how I wish the gossip stuff would have some form of ID so we didn't have to translate a fuckton of strings |
| 15:08.49 | Simca_ | like if you linked a super heavy alliance PvP server and super horde heavy PvP server |
| 15:08.55 | Simca_ | imagine the forums |
| 15:09.03 | nevcairiel | Yeah its not like you can just toggle pvp off willy-nilly, not even an Inn is supposed to be enough, needs a major city |
| 15:09.11 | Simca_ | people who hadn't pvped in 10+ years crying into the forums |
| 15:09.19 | Constie | I'd rather not imagine the forums under any circumstances. |
| 15:10.16 | nevcairiel | Personally I have actually restricted myself to pve realms exactly because I do not want to PvP when its not my choice, despite there being some people that I might have considered joining, but they are on pvp realms, so i'm absolutely happy about the changes |
| 15:12.18 | nevcairiel | uh nice they seem to have fixed the mess with the secondary status watch bars (ie. rep, ap, what have you) |
| 15:18.51 | ThiefMaster | regarding translation, it would also be nice if addons could rewrite /say messages (maybe only those originating from other addons?). now with mixed gruops it's extremely annoying to have a russian /say message from someone's bossmods |
| 15:19.01 | ThiefMaster | with french etc you can at least guess that it's about, but with russion? no chance |
| 15:19.04 | ThiefMaster | *russian |
| 15:19.21 | Funkeh` | no it wouldn't |
| 15:19.25 | ThiefMaster | why? |
| 15:19.38 | nevcairiel | you can absolutely write an addon to translate that at least in the chat box |
| 15:19.46 | Funkeh` | because instead of manipulation say messages they should just give us a personal-based "over head" frame |
| 15:19.47 | nevcairiel | but how would your addon know how to translate russian |
| 15:19.59 | ThiefMaster | indeed, that'd be even nicer |
| 15:20.06 | Funkeh` | so you don't have to polute people that don't want it |
| 15:20.19 | Funkeh` | or abuse the chat system |
| 15:20.25 | nevcairiel | the problem remains, if addon X is in russian, there is no way for you to translate that anyway |
| 15:20.27 | ThiefMaster | nevcairiel: the addon wouldn't translate it but the bossmods would already have its own translated messages so it'd just lookup the english message based on the russian one |
| 15:20.42 | Funkeh` | no it doesn't remain, if you addon is russian, you show russian over everyone |
| 15:20.48 | ThiefMaster | of course it wouldn't work for addons you don't have, but at least for bossmods i guess everyone uses dbm/bigwigs anyway |
| 15:22.04 | ThiefMaster | anyway, being able to show over-head messages locally instead of having the other player's bossmod send them would indeed be much better |
| 15:22.23 | Funkeh` | and faster re: latency |
| 15:22.40 | Constie | I mean, generally if you know how a boss fight works and you see a speech bubble pop up over someone's head you don't really need to understand their language to figure out what to do. But it would be nice. |
| 15:23.04 | ThiefMaster | btw, i wonder why the API to place a world marker is protected - doesn't this require a click in the world to actually place it anyway? |
| 15:24.24 | Funkeh` | Constie: that's basically the only thing that has carried us through shadow priest text nonsense |
| 15:24.52 | Constie | Isn't that fun? |
| 15:25.15 | Funkeh` | major fun |
| 15:26.18 | Constie | If I understand correctly a feature in other MMOs is certain special text strings being automatically translated by the game, like WoW's emotes. That kind of thing would be nice for the above. |
| 15:28.36 | Funkeh` | I wonder who had fun nuking all these global _ |
| 15:30.25 | nevcairiel | overall not many major changes spotted so far, a few event changes (ie. UNIT_POWER -> UNIT_POWER_UPDATE probably being the biggest one) |
| 15:30.46 | Funkeh` | yeah it's like 90% renaming docs and adding events to docs |
| 15:30.58 | nevcairiel | its easy to skip over those =p |
| 15:31.07 | Constie | Oh no, I think I use that event somewhere. I don't want to have to do work. |
| 15:31.18 | nevcairiel | although i'll have a more thorough read when foxlit im ports it into his website, its a bit hard to read as a huge long diff |
| 15:31.21 | Funkeh` | but then you see your excitement fade away as you review the tiny portion left |
| 15:32.05 | Funkeh` | at least DX12 confirmation provides some excitement |
| 15:32.42 | nevcairiel | we'll see how much it helps |
| 15:32.55 | nevcairiel | with the general single-threadedness of wow, one can hope that it helps to solve that at least somewhat |
| 15:33.17 | Funkeh` | however this somewhat concerns me: |
| 15:33.18 | Funkeh` | +function Class_LootCorpseWatcher:COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED(timestamp, logEvent) |
| 15:33.18 | Funkeh` | + local logEvent, _, _, _, _, unitGUID = CombatLogGetCurrentEventInfo(); |
| 15:42.37 | VIad | will this be fixed in 8.0? put follow on someone, double jump and glide as DH, disconnect |
| 15:42.58 | Funkeh` | is the disconnect when you hit land? |
| 15:46.28 | Funkeh` | function UIDropDownMenu_AddSeparator(level) |
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| 15:55.01 | VIad | Funkeh`: yes :d |
| 15:55.07 | VIad | spinning camera disconnects in general |
| 15:55.17 | VIad | 2 friends fly up, dismount, glider, put follow on each other |
| 15:55.20 | VIad | spinfest, hit floor, DC |
| 15:55.26 | Funkeh` | who knows, it's a problem for everyone not just DHs |
| 15:55.34 | VIad | DH follow + glide someone that doesn't move so you spin around and land on them, DC |
| 15:55.35 | Funkeh` | it was quite a problem for people doing Eonar boss |
| 15:55.42 | VIad | hunter disengage turn around too quick sometimes DC too |
| 15:55.46 | Funkeh` | I was hoping that would force them into investigating it but ehhh |
| 15:55.54 | VIad | felrush into slopes that are connected WMO sometimes DC |
| 15:55.56 | VIad | so annoying |
| 15:56.06 | VIad | server solution to "I am not sure if you are cheating or not" is to DC |
| 16:00.28 | StephenLynx | quality game development |
| 16:00.44 | StephenLynx | but tbh, running a mmo and not frying servers figuring that stuff out is hard. |
| 16:01.02 | VIad | just TP me back where it thinks I should be |
| 16:01.04 | VIad | dont DC me :P |
| 16:01.36 | StephenLynx | i once played on a privater server where I could get rooted if I charged and did some other stuff because they didnt know if you were speed hacking |
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| 16:05.53 | Resike | does anyone knows whats the new :IsRectValid method checks for? |
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| 16:44.18 | Simca_ | VIad: yeah they're collision checks to prevent Z-axis hacks and speed hacks. goblin glider, glide, and fel rush are the most frequent offenders, but i have a shaman friend who triggers it all the time just with weird jumps |
| 16:44.22 | Simca_ | it's kind of hilarious |
| 16:45.02 | Simca_ | he's like 'fuck i dc'd again' and we have to respond 'dude you know you're not allowed to jump while on stairs. clearly an illegal move' |
| 16:47.55 | StephenLynx | kek |
| 17:01.34 | Resike | jumping when the goblin glider fades has a 65% change to trigger this |
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| 17:15.42 | Simca_ | I believe it |
| 17:21.21 | StephenLynx | btw, I notice asmongold have some drums on his hotkeys, are those the tbc LW drums? |
| 17:23.17 | StephenLynx | i think its this http://www.wowhead.com/item=120257/drums-of-fury |
| 17:23.31 | nevcairiel | they add new drums every expansion |
| 17:23.55 | StephenLynx | i dont remember them replacing bl tho |
| 17:24.15 | nevcairiel | most recent ones from legion: https://www.wowhead.com/item=142406/drums-of-the-mountain |
| 17:24.46 | nevcairiel | its a poor mans BL, its only 25%, BL is 30, but still much better then not having one in group |
| 17:25.13 | nevcairiel | (Drums of Fury are the WoD drums, btw, not TBC) |
| 17:25.41 | StephenLynx | for some reason only tbc ones stuck on my memory |
| 17:25.58 | Semlar | bloodlust drums didn't exist in bc |
| 17:26.14 | StephenLynx | I was thinking of something else entirely different then |
| 17:26.39 | nevcairiel | they had drums in TBC for the first time, but they did different things |
| 17:26.42 | Semlar | i think they could craft something but it wasn't to replace bloodlust |
| 17:26.51 | nevcairiel | not sure when the first BL drums appeared, definitely in MoP, not sure if before that |
| 17:26.55 | StephenLynx | http://wowwiki.wikia.com/wiki/Drums_of_War |
| 17:27.01 | StephenLynx | i think this is what I was thinking of |
| 17:29.06 | Semlar | there were drums that feared, drums that made you run faster, and drums that restored health and mana |
| 17:29.43 | Semlar | i don't remember anyone ever using any of these |
| 17:30.40 | nevcairiel | i'm sure we did, as a raiding guild you used all the things |
| 17:30.44 | nevcairiel | but its been a long time |
| 17:31.07 | StephenLynx | hm, I wonder what are those drums he got. it might be a macro with just their icon |
| 17:31.20 | StephenLynx | maybe he uses on solo content |
| 17:31.27 | StephenLynx | or dungeons when theres no bl |
| 17:31.31 | Semlar | probably the current drums |
| 17:31.32 | Constie | The haste drums are useful for mage tower challenges. |
| 17:31.48 | nevcairiel | I carry a stack of BL drums with me for dungeon runs without mage/shaman |
| 17:31.58 | nevcairiel | although i routinely forget to use them |
| 17:32.02 | StephenLynx | f |
| 17:32.04 | Semlar | i'm a hunter and i use the drums over taking a bloodlust pet |
| 17:32.15 | StephenLynx | https://i.imgur.com/r0xagMH.png |
| 17:32.25 | StephenLynx | shit, they got bl pets now? |
| 17:32.27 | nevcairiel | is pet 25 or 30% |
| 17:32.31 | Semlar | 30% |
| 17:32.32 | StephenLynx | I got samba, so yeah |
| 17:32.33 | StephenLynx | I can feel you. |
| 17:32.39 | StephenLynx | no way I gonna use a different one |
| 17:32.43 | nevcairiel | bl pets existed since basically forever |
| 17:32.49 | nevcairiel | not sure,when did exotic pets get added |
| 17:32.54 | Semlar | BC |
| 17:33.03 | Semlar | i don't remember if the corehound came with bloodlust or not |
| 17:33.15 | nevcairiel | wowpedia claims 3.0 |
| 17:33.21 | StephenLynx | http://www.wowhead.com/spell=90355/ancient-hysteria claims 4.0 |
| 17:33.48 | Simca_ | i think stephen is right on cata |
| 17:33.48 | Semlar | i'm fairly confident hunters didn't have it in BC |
| 17:34.01 | StephenLynx | actually, it seems it was on 3.0 |
| 17:34.06 | nevcairiel | yeah i only looked up when exotic pets were added |
| 17:34.11 | nevcairiel | not the actual HT spell |
| 17:34.56 | nevcairiel | 4.0 seems right for that |
| 17:35.27 | StephenLynx | its odd that I see comments for 3.0 on that spell |
| 17:35.29 | Semlar | i remember taming a corehound in BC because there was a hilarious feature where it shook everyone's screen and made loud stomping noises when it ran around |
| 17:35.33 | nevcairiel | .. i really need to decide what class to level when void elves get unlocked |
| 17:35.39 | Semlar | but that might have been during the prepatch event |
| 17:35.46 | Semlar | for the next expansion |
| 17:35.54 | nevcairiel | StephenLynx: they probably commented when the spell was datamined in beta or such, it often happens |
| 17:36.07 | nevcairiel | Semlar: doesnt it still do that |
| 17:36.10 | nevcairiel | f'ing core hound |
| 17:36.17 | Semlar | no, it was fixed almost immediately |
| 17:36.25 | Semlar | it was preeetty bad |
| 17:36.33 | nevcairiel | but yeah those were in during BC |
| 17:36.38 | nevcairiel | they just couldnt BL yet |
| 17:36.41 | StephenLynx | ah |
| 17:36.43 | StephenLynx | makes sense. |
| 17:36.55 | Semlar | i distinctly remember stomping around shattrath |
| 17:38.38 | Constie | If the http://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/695967.jpg outfit or similar will be available for transmog I'm probably going to stay Shadow Priest with a race change to Zandalari, because that aesthetic is just too powerful. |
| 17:38.56 | StephenLynx | a zandawat |
| 17:39.53 | StephenLynx | jesus |
| 17:40.00 | StephenLynx | they really hit rock bottom now |
| 17:40.12 | StephenLynx | >so, we gonna add new races, what do we do? |
| 17:40.24 | Constie | The new expansion features have been announced for a while. |
| 17:40.26 | StephenLynx | >i dunno, reskin some vanilla races or some shit |
| 17:41.59 | StephenLynx | my god, why 6 races? |
| 17:42.35 | Semlar | i'm really loving losing my panda racial every time i die in a high level mythic, so if they could just never change how this works that would be great |
| 17:43.05 | StephenLynx | what happens? |
| 17:43.11 | StephenLynx | i dont know dick about pandas |
| 17:43.24 | Semlar | their racial is getting double stat bonus from food |
| 17:43.31 | StephenLynx | lmao |
| 17:43.40 | StephenLynx | but |
| 17:43.48 | StephenLynx | wouldn't you need to eat again anyway? |
| 17:44.00 | Semlar | you do not have time to do that |
| 17:44.11 | StephenLynx | ah yeah, theres a timer |
| 17:44.16 | Semlar | wait i have a solution, let pandas eat faster |
| 17:44.21 | StephenLynx | but |
| 17:44.27 | StephenLynx | aren't you in the same position any other race? |
| 17:44.31 | Semlar | no |
| 17:44.34 | StephenLynx | you can't get any food bonus at all if you die. |
| 17:44.43 | Constie | That wouldn't fit the Pandaren culture. "Slow down"! |
| 17:44.47 | StephenLynx | kek |
| 17:44.57 | Semlar | losing the food bonus doesn't remove other race's base passive racial bonus |
| 17:45.15 | StephenLynx | also, why fucking 6 half-assed races when wod didn't even had neither a class or a race? |
| 17:45.33 | Constie | Probably just to annoy you. |
| 17:45.36 | StephenLynx | ikr |
| 17:45.40 | Semlar | if i die during a fight i lose my stat bonus |
| 17:45.59 | Simca_ | only a couple of them are reskinned |
| 17:46.02 | StephenLynx | you are lucky to have any stat bonus at all. most races only have some pvp utility |
| 17:46.06 | StephenLynx | all of them are reskinned |
| 17:46.09 | StephenLynx | what you talking about? |
| 17:46.23 | StephenLynx | trolls, draenei, 2 elves, dwarves, tauren |
| 17:46.26 | Semlar | every race has something |
| 17:46.31 | StephenLynx | what does undead have? |
| 17:46.38 | Simca_ | i mean, it's not an entirely new race concept |
| 17:46.42 | Semlar | they deal extra shadow damage on attacks |
| 17:46.47 | StephenLynx | wait |
| 17:46.49 | StephenLynx | thats new |
| 17:47.18 | StephenLynx | oh shit |
| 17:47.19 | StephenLynx | neat |
| 17:47.20 | StephenLynx | v: |
| 17:48.01 | StephenLynx | get rekt, panda boi |
| 17:48.10 | Semlar | i'm mostly just annoyed that i have the only racial that 1) isn't passive in the first place and 2) removes itself even if i have eaten, if i die |
| 17:48.15 | StephenLynx | f |
| 17:48.56 | Semlar | on the plus side, i do take less falling damage |
| 17:49.09 | StephenLynx | kek |
| 17:49.12 | Semlar | which is the real reason i play a panda |
| 17:49.35 | Constie | Did you know Subtlety has an artifact trait that removes falling damage? So OP. |
| 17:50.08 | Semlar | i can also just disengage before i hit the ground, usually |
| 17:50.38 | Semlar | unless i disengage off a cliff |
| 17:50.48 | Constie | But then you have to press a button and not get a lag spike at the exact wrong time. |
| 17:50.48 | Semlar | and then i'm out of luck |
| 17:51.16 | Constie | And you can only safely jump off a cliff every 30 seconds or whatever. |
| 17:51.19 | Semlar | for some reason you can't use the goblin glider in instances any more |
| 17:51.28 | Semlar | i assume people were somehow exploiting that |
| 17:51.38 | Funkeh` | they should remove disengage too, and jumping |
| 17:51.42 | Funkeh` | then you can't dc |
| 17:51.42 | Semlar | and hunters |
| 17:52.05 | StephenLynx | kek |
| 17:52.20 | Simca_ | sort of Semlar (re: glider exploits) |
| 17:52.27 | Semlar | undead aren't big enough to show off my transmog |
| 17:52.36 | Simca_ | there were a couple boss skips that were possible with it |
| 17:53.02 | Simca_ | normals only but maybe that was enough |
| 17:53.05 | Semlar | i think i've actually seen fewer undead hunters than pandas |
| 17:53.17 | Semlar | but that could be because they're less obvious |
| 17:53.31 | Constie | They just all take Camouflage. |
| 17:53.51 | Semlar | you can't get me to race change |
| 17:54.09 | Semlar | pandas are the best |
| 17:54.50 | Constie | I want to change my Monk into one. It turns out I don't like how BEs look in leather gear. |
| 17:54.54 | StephenLynx | disney race |
| 17:56.01 | Funkeh` | you know pandas existed before disney |
| 17:56.12 | Semlar | i don't know, disney has been around for a long time |
| 17:56.18 | StephenLynx | whole pandaria seems like some suit came in and said >marketing shows focus group loves cute shit and zen crap with witty humor, make it on wow |
| 17:56.24 | Semlar | how long could pandas have been around for |
| 17:56.31 | Funkeh` | too long |
| 17:56.34 | StephenLynx | hell, pandas were a fucking april jokes |
| 17:56.38 | Semlar | so long? |
| 17:56.45 | Gnarfoz | pandas were in wc3, yo |
| 17:56.46 | StephenLynx | how come they make a whole damn expansion around it? |
| 17:56.49 | Funkeh` | we keep them from going extinct for some reason |
| 17:57.04 | Semlar | tsulong? |
| 17:57.18 | Gnarfoz | a focus group just reported StephenLynx is a bitter cynical person who should probably play Eve instead |
| 17:57.31 | StephenLynx | kek |
| 17:58.09 | StephenLynx | i swear to got, I almost cringed to death when I had to show around that dragon that morphs into a girl |
| 17:58.21 | StephenLynx | >how do I call you, worm butt squeezer? teehee XD |
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| 18:00.43 | Funkeh` | i like how hotmail is still pure garbage, who thought that clicking an email in spam to click "not spam" should then auto open the next (obviously spam) email |
| 18:00.47 | Constie | Disney was founded in 1923 and WC3 came out in 2002. Checkmate, Blizzard. |
| 18:01.12 | StephenLynx | http://bfa.wowhead.com/quest=29950/li-lis-day-off this one |
| 18:01.42 | Funkeh` | or when you click the checkbox to send multiple email to spam, it opens the first one you click |
| 18:01.56 | StephenLynx | why don't you use a client, like thunderbird? |
| 18:02.08 | Gnarfoz | firm believer in stupid web shit |
| 18:02.08 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 18:02.22 | Funkeh` | because other people make better stupid web shit |
| 18:03.28 | Gnarfoz | OTOH: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/mfsa2018-04/ |
| 18:03.54 | Funkeh` | indeed, "stupid web shit" is sandboxed |
| 18:03.59 | Gnarfoz | (not like those websites have any less vulnerabilities, they just don't publish them because for them, publishing a fixed version is silent - if they fix them, that is) |
| 18:04.56 | Gnarfoz | yeah, those sandboxes people repeatedly break out of at every cracking competition ;p |
| 18:05.26 | Funkeh` | you're right, lets not use them |
| 18:06.08 | Gnarfoz | unless you're djb, your software (regardless of your runtime being an OS or a browser) is probably insecure ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 18:06.59 | Funkeh` | ok |
| 18:08.38 | Gnarfoz | just because they're not perfect doesn't mean you shouldn't use them ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 18:08.55 | Funkeh` | is that right |
| 18:09.00 | Gnarfoz | (and you apparently don't know who djb is or you would have gotten the joke) |
| 18:09.47 | StephenLynx | i assume is some old-school gnu guy |
| 18:10.38 | Gnarfoz | his choice of favourite licence is even worse: public domain |
| 18:10.50 | Gnarfoz | which doesn't even exist in half of the world :D |
| 18:10.54 | StephenLynx | absolutely mad man |
| 18:17.49 | Gnarfoz | anyway, he wrote the qmail MTA, which, for an internet facing program, has probably the least security issues found, in over 20 years (a grand total of 0) |
| 18:20.39 | Constie | Sounds like he's using cheat codes. |
| 18:24.44 | Gnarfoz | perhaps... djbdns, has 1, after 17 years... |
| 18:26.25 | Gnarfoz | also, if you're browsing Wikipedia at the moment, your connection is probably secured by his ChaCha20/Poly1305 encryption/authentication scheme |
| 18:27.28 | Gnarfoz | must have gotten those "freakishly productive" genes from the lottery ^^ |
| 18:28.09 | nevcairiel | the math for ChaCha20 uses odd symbols |
| 18:28.17 | Gnarfoz | also sued the US government which resulted in source code being classified as free speech, crypto export restrictions being abandoned |
| 18:31.20 | Constie | It seems like math notation is generally optimized much more for writing quickly on paper/blackboard than reading. |
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| 18:32.17 | nevcairiel | 32-bit addition mod 2^32 â |
| 18:32.27 | nevcairiel | not sure thats a recognized symbol in traditional math |
| 18:33.09 | nevcairiel | constant-distance rotation operations (<<<) |
| 18:33.12 | nevcairiel | odd stuff :) |
| 18:35.10 | Constie | I've definitely seen the symbol before, but possibly just from looking at Unicode tables and not from reading about math. |
| 18:35.21 | Constie | Or maybe I'm just thinking of windows. |
| 18:36.11 | Gnarfoz | (to round things off, in true early bird fashion, his website is http://cr.yp.to/) |
| 18:36.58 | Gnarfoz | so we have to wait for https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/patch/4_2 to hit before BfA alpha? :P |
| 18:37.41 | nevcairiel | i think everyone is expecting word during the Q&A |
| 18:38.12 | nevcairiel | but unless they invite everyone and the kitchen sink, its not going to disrupt any other games launch anyway |
| 18:39.07 | Gnarfoz | (Q&A is on that date as well) |
| 18:39.17 | Gnarfoz | probably for the same reason ;p |
| 18:39.42 | Constie | I feel like if anything the Q&A being on the same day would make me more likely to ignore it if I were playing FF14 right now. |
| 18:39.43 | Gnarfoz | and I doubt any of these "curious" timings have ever had a particular effect, yet, someone has to be responsible for picking these dates :p |
| 18:40.03 | nevcairiel | could just be coincedence |
| 18:40.26 | nevcairiel | most of the time i only read such rumors before the launches, and then forget to check if it actually happened on the same day |
| 18:41.19 | Gnarfoz | sure, 365 days is not a particularly big pool to work with, but... I bet someone has a list of these coincidences |
| 18:41.25 | Constie | I've been assuming mostly coincidence with some smaller nudges to put things a day or week earlier or later here and there because of marketing reasons. |
| 18:41.39 | nevcairiel | I had contact with a CM for legion beta, i wonder if he put me on a more permanent "invite this guy" list or just once for legion =p |
| 18:41.47 | elvador | a lot of past wow announcements have lined up with final fantasy releases |
| 18:42.52 | nevcairiel | also can someone that knows how youtube works make a playlist from all the BfA music tracks for me? |
| 18:43.42 | nevcairiel | i feel like totally buying the CE just for the OST =P |
| 18:46.31 | nevcairiel | mm i should probably start packing |
| 18:46.40 | Constie | Too many clicks for me, but press this button on each of the video pages: https://i.imgur.com/YhZCPqZ.png |
| 18:47.07 | Gnarfoz | or download them all as mp3s: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2371290-Battle-for-Azeroth-Alpha-Build-25902-Music?p=48761307#post48761307 |
| 18:47.53 | Gnarfoz | actually |
| 18:47.54 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMWrWvOt0I8&list=PLar4nrXN3ddpueCMlT2UnIO8S5tAU2tLp |
| 18:48.07 | Gnarfoz | wowhead already put them in a playlist ;) |
| 18:48.15 | Gnarfoz | https://www.youtube.com/user/Wowhead/playlists |
| 18:49.02 | Gnarfoz | the mmoc post seems to have more files than those 16, though |
| 18:49.56 | nevcairiel | I found https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMrxZj4JCCQ which I was using now, which has like 21 or so |
| 18:50.15 | nevcairiel | the numbered ones are concatenated i assume |
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| 19:00.39 | VIad | Shockah: if you override with args to force opengl it looks horrible, super bad performance, bad rendering :D |
| 19:00.53 | VIad | loading screens super long and slow |
| 19:08.24 | StephenLynx | which is a shame, opengl works great on 1.12 |
| 19:08.49 | nevcairiel | thats nice, only like 13 years worth of development between then and now |
| 20:15.55 | Resike | my Amaani Warbear does not roar on mount special |
| 20:15.57 | Resike | unsubbing |
| 20:16.39 | Resike | srsly this patch seems like a child of a very drunken xmas party |
| 20:17.41 | zenzelezz | I never got the Armani bear |
| 20:18.33 | Resike | feelsbadman |
| 20:18.45 | Resike | same thing with the retarded version too tho |
| 20:18.58 | Resike | Amani Battle Bear or wut |
| 20:22.46 | harl | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDsR1JJCeG0&index=491&list=FLOTs5zJZ4-ASphry9NaG3iA |
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| 20:37.21 | Resike | wait it actually does roar |
| 20:37.28 | Resike | just utterly quietly |
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| 21:24.44 | Funkeh` | probably related to sounds issues that will be fixed any day now |
| 21:24.53 | Funkeh` | any day now |
| 21:25.37 | foxlit | every time you mention sound issues they postpone the fix by a day. |
| 21:25.49 | Funkeh` | seems legit |
| 21:43.20 | VIad | noooooo |
| 21:43.23 | VIad | Funkeh`: why |
| 21:50.11 | Thunder_Child | Why not? |
| 21:50.25 | VIad | don't mention the s o u n d issue or we'll never get a fix! |
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| 21:52.58 | Thunder_Child | Meh, I stopped playing. Besides, I always play WoW with all sounds off. |
| 21:55.20 | Semlar | how do you know you're standing in fire without an addon blaring an airhorn in your ear though |
| 21:56.13 | bshelden | Bigwigs seems to override ctrl-s. |
| 21:56.19 | bshelden | So that's about *all* I hear. |
| 21:56.46 | Funkeh` | isn't ctrl-s SFX only? |
| 21:57.51 | bshelden | Yep. Music is usually off as well, so the game is pretty quiet. |
| 21:58.14 | bshelden | I do that so I can hear discord. I'm not very good with picking voice out of a din, so the game sounds just make it harder. |
| 21:59.15 | Thunder_Child | Semlar: mad skill. |
| 22:00.16 | foxlit | Funkeh`: no, it also kills ambiance and dialog. |
| 22:00.36 | Semlar | is it possible to get even just your own player position on the map inside of an instance any more |
| 22:00.59 | VIad | vulpera race new neutral race - calling it! |
| 22:01.01 | Semlar | my custom minimap relied on being able to draw the world map under it |
| 22:01.03 | foxlit | silly Semlar, if you could get your own position, you'd spam it to /raid |
| 22:01.16 | Semlar | :( |
| 22:02.03 | Semlar | but i liked having the zone map to expand beyond the edges of the minimap |
| 22:03.59 | VIad | the mmochamp list is very verbose, wonder if you filter the tooltips that simply adjust the damage numbers, and just look at actually revamped spell tooltips, wonder how many there will be |
| 22:07.11 | Stanzilla | Funkeh`: there was a patch just now |
| 22:07.13 | Stanzilla | your next chance |
| 22:07.42 | Funkeh` | doubt it |
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| 23:16.25 | Simca_ | that build is live now, so testable if you're willing to LFR it |
| 23:16.34 | Simca_ | otherwise there'll probably be hotfix notes |
| 23:16.37 | Simca_ | later |
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