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| 01:48.41 | Gnarfoz | heh, that's pretty much where I left off with the audiobook of that |
| 01:49.57 | Gnarfoz | (it's great, and the author is eerily good at doing the various different voices for the characters -- which was already evident with his previous 3 books) |
| 02:17.30 | Kaelten | nevcairiel yeah things should be fine now |
| 02:17.43 | Kaelten | spotted one issue where the new repo host was timing out |
| 02:18.53 | Kaelten | so like cloning dbm was timing out a good chunk of time because git pack-objects was taking too long |
| 02:20.00 | Gnarfoz | no loss there ;] |
| 02:23.58 | Kaelten | I think it's indicative of the problem though. |
| 02:24.04 | Kaelten | we'll get performance back up though :) |
| 02:36.35 | Gnarfoz | ð |
| 02:42.00 | Kaelten | been trying to future proof the hosting, was mostly successful it looks like |
| 02:42.07 | Kaelten | repos is just a tricky beast :( |
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| 03:05.50 | Simca_ | 25901 was deployed an hour or two ago |
| 03:06.37 | Simca_ | i just tested it in raid; sound is still broken |
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| 03:08.47 | Funkeh` | well, I think that basically means they want us to force on dialog and start using that |
| 03:09.13 | Funkeh` | right TheDanW ? :D |
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| 05:01.22 | Funkeh` | Simca_: there are 2 sound related notes in the hotfixes though... |
| 05:01.50 | Simca_ | i played for 2 hours on it, it's not remotely fixed |
| 05:02.36 | Simca_ | actually those two hotfix notes could be fixed, idk |
| 05:03.08 | Simca_ | but what isn't fixed is DBM counting down like 'BEW...... ... 4 ... ... 1 .....' |
| 05:03.45 | Funkeh` | it get cuts out as if you're hitting max channels but there's no way there's 64 playing |
| 05:04.13 | Funkeh` | or well, I assume you're set to 64 |
| 05:06.03 | Simca_ | yes |
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| 07:46.39 | nevcairiel | does it take something special to even make the sound cut out happen, i've not once experienced it |
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| 09:17.17 | VIad | will we get a macro conditional in 8.0 for the target combat state, not just ours? :x |
| 09:17.47 | nebula | doubtful |
| 09:18.04 | VIad | just annoying as nameplates can dance around, suddenly you dot something nearby :P |
| 09:18.21 | nevcairiel | so stop sucking |
| 09:18.47 | VIad | I don't struggle with it, just would be super sweet if unitcombat was like a thing just to make it even better :x |
| 09:22.14 | Varyak | I just wanna cast my AoE damage/heal on my target. Nice that meeles can do @player, somewhat useless for healers and ranges |
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| 09:25.21 | nevcairiel | you can do @cursor at least now to save one of the clicks if you're confident in your targeting abilities |
| 09:25.39 | VIad | I usually target stuff on my camera with @cursor |
| 09:26.11 | VIad | like my camera is inside something or near it, using targeting stuff like my sigils suddenly I see it spawn on the wall and shit :P so annoying |
| 09:26.29 | Varyak | Yeah I know, but @target or @focus would be even better |
| 09:26.31 | nevcairiel | as a healer i do actual 3d targeting, probably wouldnt use @target either even if it worked, often have an idea of an area i want my ground heal to sit, not quite sure which player would stand right in the middle of it =p |
| 09:26.37 | VIad | I wish things on the camera itself and nearby was ignored by the game |
| 09:26.55 | Varyak | depends on the encounter obviously, but probably mostly at the tank |
| 09:26.59 | nevcairiel | like often want to put it smack right under a boss so the tank and the melees stand in it |
| 09:28.15 | VIad | I still WTB so these angles https://i.imgur.com/rcK388z.png become like https://i.imgur.com/Ctq0Ozq.png |
| 09:29.01 | Varyak | yeah stuff like this is annoying AF, to have to zoom in or use other angles can be sooo annoying |
| 09:29.44 | VIad | my personal favorite https://gfycat.com/PeskyAcceptableCoelacanth |
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| 09:30.32 | Varyak | Well for this you can now use the macro! |
| 09:30.55 | VIad | the issue still persists - if I wasnt trying to leap but to cast a sigil, it would :P |
| 09:30.59 | VIad | and waste it on the ceiling |
| 09:31.19 | Munk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.24 | Varyak | Hm yeah true |
| 09:31.43 | VIad | fine if I wanna leap on myself, but in the video what if I wanted to leap away, could potentially have the same issue :P |
| 09:31.44 | Munk | ...is what I use as a duplicate just for stomping on mobs |
| 09:31.54 | VIad | where it thinks I wanna leap on the ceiling while trying to get away |
| 09:31.57 | VIad | sure :d |
| 09:32.02 | Munk | I just have them both on my bars. Same for sigils. |
| 09:32.08 | VIad | just the base mechanic how camera interaction goes is so annoying |
| 09:32.24 | Varyak | Yeah especially "indoors" they could improve a lot |
| 09:32.25 | VIad | wtb like a hybrid camera system that ignores ceiling when your camera clips inside it |
| 09:32.50 | VIad | and fades out foliage crap like from trees and ceiling crap to make the camera more comfortable indoor areas or in woods |
| 09:33.02 | VIad | I've seen other games do it and it was great :P |
| 09:33.19 | VIad | seat last boss room is like worst shit ever |
| 09:33.29 | nevcairiel | stuff like that is complicated though, what if you're in a house with multiple floors, and you clip through the first ceiling and suddenly see the floor above you including any potential npcs standing around there |
| 09:33.30 | VIad | ceiling has stuff on it and camera goes nuts |
| 09:33.39 | VIad | I agree |
| 09:33.46 | VIad | it would have to fade out the 2nd floor in that case |
| 09:33.54 | VIad | like pretend its not there |
| 09:34.25 | VIad | but houses and bosses dont happen that often :D |
| 09:34.38 | VIad | most issues are like caves or low ceiling boss rooms |
| 09:34.49 | Varyak | What if you get invited for cake and tea by Argus? |
| 09:34.52 | VIad | :x |
| 09:35.22 | VIad | some objects should be flagged for no aoe targeting and just have it target the floor - like portals on portal keeper, it tries to place my sigils on top of the portals, like makes no sense :x |
| 09:35.24 | nevcairiel | the same problem really happens in caves, when your camera suddenly leaves the defined geometry of the world, there needs to be a lot of extra magic to ensure you cant suddenly look through the world to other places |
| 09:35.48 | VIad | can't remember if it was guild wars or some other mmo |
| 09:38.59 | VIad | but they handled it pretty nicely |
| 09:39.04 | NuSuey | uh, so how long is it to unlock the void elves stuff, does anyone know? been working on trying to do the nighborne stuff so when they add the allied races I'm ready.. was just wondering about void elves :) |
| 09:39.10 | VIad | thing they rendered the outside world black around the indoor area |
| 09:39.30 | VIad | so you enter the house, tilt camera up and zoom out max, the outdoor areas rendered black except what you can see out the door |
| 09:39.43 | VIad | and 2nd floor I guess wouldnt render until you go on the stairs and head up :p |
| 09:40.22 | VIad | makes sense in that case when you start going up that 2nd floor covers the 1st floor, though nameplates would still appear I guess so it could work |
| 09:40.49 | VIad | but realistically doesn't sound like a easy fix to implement so I doubt we'll ever see it in wow |
| 09:40.51 | Varyak | weren't void elves, argussian reach exalted and the argus storyline? |
| 09:41.18 | Varyak | But obviously still could still change |
| 09:41.20 | nevcairiel | NuSuey: if you didnt do any argus stuff yet, probably three weeks max with the increased rep gain |
| 09:41.30 | nevcairiel | of course its not officially confirmed that the rep is really needed |
| 09:41.33 | VIad | I thought prepurchase would grant you access |
| 09:41.43 | VIad | isn't $$$ king? :p |
| 09:41.49 | Varyak | Well you need that too |
| 09:41.58 | Varyak | but also achievements |
| 09:42.08 | nevcairiel | thats all conjecture as well, nothing about this was officially confirmed in any way or form :) |
| 09:42.22 | NuSuey | nevcairiel: damn.. too much, since I only have 8 days left on my sub :D |
| 09:42.28 | Varyak | Of course, but at this current point in time |
| 09:42.40 | nevcairiel | they might just have put in the requirements for the rep to troll people into playing argus |
| 09:42.42 | Varyak | You need the prepurchase of BfA and Achievements |
| 09:42.47 | NuSuey | well I'll at least unlock argus stuff, and will see :) |
| 09:43.13 | Varyak | Well its not even available so "need" is maybe the wrong word |
| 09:43.18 | VIad | buy BfA and go back to Legion to farm exalted to access the sweet new races! |
| 09:43.37 | VIad | save azeroth from the alliance/horde by grinding argus rep |
| 09:43.42 | VIad | makessense |
| 09:43.44 | Varyak | I'm still crying daily for the dreanor pathfinder |
| 09:43.56 | Varyak | should never have stopped playing |
| 09:46.56 | Varyak | or at least after that |
| 09:46.56 | nevcairiel | if those reps are required, they'll probably only be required during the pre-launch time |
| 09:46.56 | VIad | I hope so |
| 09:46.56 | VIad | otherwise it's retarded |
| 09:46.56 | nevcairiel | but the story lines will remain to be necessary, so you still have to come back and play legion anyway |
| 09:46.56 | VIad | for those that buy BfA to play void elf but can't :P |
| 09:46.56 | nevcairiel | you need a 110 at least anyway to do the quests |
| 09:46.56 | VIad | BfA comes with free 110 boost |
| 09:46.56 | VIad | then you make your void elf |
| 09:46.57 | VIad | then you pay for another 110 boost because you reach lvl 30 and realize you just wanna void elf in the 110+ content |
| 09:46.57 | VIad | and 20-60 takes like a week or two :P |
| 09:46.57 | VIad | or 20-80 unsure like what lvl ranges are super slow now, think it was up to 60 |
| 09:46.57 | nevcairiel | it really doesnt take that long |
| 09:46.57 | VIad | makes no sense why heirlooms are so gimped since you buy them to make leveling quicker but it's still super slow with them now :/ |
| 09:46.57 | VIad | glad all my alts are 110, dodged a bullet |
| 09:48.02 | VIad | I tried to play a bit with a friend, was level 26 |
| 09:48.12 | VIad | trying to quest in stonetalon as horde was a grave mistake :D |
| 09:48.21 | VIad | had to wowhead the breadcrumb in the end |
| 09:48.33 | VIad | roamed all the zone and each FP area, no quests xD |
| 09:48.42 | nevcairiel | you should go to the mission boards and pick up the breadcrumbs to any active story zone |
| 09:48.52 | VIad | does breadcrumbs appear in shift+j? |
| 09:49.08 | VIad | since it scales so much, I think all the eligible breadcrumbs should appear in shift+j all the time tbh |
| 09:49.20 | nevcairiel | i have no idea what that is |
| 09:49.21 | VIad | like a list of zones you can start with breadcrumbs, would be ideal |
| 09:49.23 | nevcairiel | opens my guild frame =p |
| 09:49.25 | VIad | its the journal |
| 09:49.56 | nevcairiel | the mission boards in the cities have those breadcrumbs |
| 09:50.17 | VIad | yea, but the journal is nice since its with you always :D |
| 09:50.28 | VIad | only issue is back then you only had only so few zones you can do |
| 09:50.33 | nevcairiel | but how would you know something is going on if noone told you?!? |
| 09:50.34 | VIad | but at level 30 you probably have like 20 zones |
| 09:50.36 | VIad | :D |
| 09:50.53 | VIad | goldshire sends you to darkshore, worst journey ever if you just started to play xD |
| 09:51.32 | VIad | the breadcrumb quest could start when you enter the zone too |
| 09:51.46 | VIad | just to help you get going :) |
| 09:56.07 | VIad | I still think heirlooms and RAF should give you significant advantage, as using those is supposed to give you a substantial boost in leveling speed, and how things are now with full heirlooms it's not bad but could be better. the heirlooms vs no heirlooms combat wise is pretty much even, only quest XP is higher with heirlooms but dunno if that feels good enough for players now |
| 09:56.35 | VIad | you get to high level, you farm the gold, you buy all the heirloom for your alt, and still stuff die super slow and only benefit is like +50% xp meh :P |
| 09:56.45 | nevcairiel | +50% is quite significant =p |
| 09:56.55 | Kalroth | its like fifty percent more |
| 09:57.12 | VIad | but the combat feels slow :( |
| 09:58.09 | VIad | tbh I'd be okay with them removing the xp buff but adding double stat on the pieces to make it feel like stuff die quicker :D |
| 09:59.36 | VIad | I'll let reddit and forums dictate what should happen, I luckily am 110 on the alts :x |
| 10:01.10 | Varyak | I'm fine in principle with their RAF change, as I share their "official" reasoning and intention. But even they acknowledge that it's a pretty shit experience for players with alts after 14 years of the same lowlvl content |
| 10:01.14 | nebula | is the zone scaling is based on item level or player level? |
| 10:01.32 | Varyak | Not that they will reduce the lvl boost costs or change anything, at least they are aware why people were abusing RAF |
| 10:01.39 | Varyak | player lvl |
| 10:04.54 | Munk | I feel like what ultimately made leveling atrocious is listening too much to players and their cries for convenience. |
| 10:06.24 | Munk | My biggest complaint with the low level content right now is that it isn't timeless. Most of it is built around Cataclysm, which feels a bit strange if you actually pay attention to the story. |
| 10:08.10 | VIad | maybe the journal should tell you about the expansion content you are doing :P |
| 10:08.30 | nevcairiel | its really not that bad though, if you skip the few classic zones that had a huge cataclysm impact - most are largely unaffected story-wise |
| 10:08.31 | Munk | RAF always felt like some private server bullshit that had no palce in the game. Having that said, I did buy 3 of those battle chests a couple of years ago. |
| 10:08.32 | VIad | short summary so you see where in the timeline you are, who the baddie is, why he is bad, what youre doing in the zone you are in :x |
| 10:09.42 | VIad | RAF was a tool to inv new players to play with you and level quicker to max lvltogether |
| 10:09.50 | VIad | its still quick since you can gift levels |
| 10:10.07 | nevcairiel | leveling is typically removed from the main story line of an expansion anyway, often its just "help these locals with their meaningless chores so we make friends" |
| 10:10.39 | VIad | mop had vale change and you can't go back in time to level properly in the zone either |
| 10:11.05 | VIad | think the newer expansions do it better by using phasing so you can watch the world change a bit as you progress |
| 10:11.11 | nebula | i hated doing raf shenanigans, even though i used it, can you still do the stupid wod exp potion leveling nonsense? |
| 10:11.25 | VIad | blizz removed a lot of xp pot drops from the game I read |
| 10:11.30 | VIad | so unsure how well that works now |
| 10:11.41 | VIad | they just ninja removed them from the drop tables :P |
| 10:11.48 | nevcairiel | xp potions have been removed |
| 10:11.49 | VIad | anything to make that 110 boost worth the â¬60 |
| 10:11.51 | Munk | If you have no idea what the cataclysm is, the worgen starting zone is really strange. You're in the midst of this battle against the curse and the forsaken, and all of a sudden the whole landscape shifts for no apparent reason. |
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| 10:12.34 | nevcairiel | i'm sure those worgen there actually felt exactly like that |
| 10:12.36 | nevcairiel | so seems fitting? |
| 10:12.36 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 10:12.58 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:13.12 | VIad | siddenly someone attacks you over your wall that kept you isolated for so long |
| 10:13.32 | Munk | Probably, but isolated from everything else it's like a five year old added his two cents to the narrative. |
| 10:13.59 | VIad | its silly but :p |
| 10:14.09 | VIad | like trump building a wall between mexico to keep people out |
| 10:14.28 | VIad | can literally swim around or in wow case, see tolbarad right across the shoreline :D |
| 10:14.43 | VIad | so perhaps not isolated enough just because there is a wall |
| 10:14.45 | Munk | At least the goblins get to see Deathwing swooping in |
| 10:15.37 | nebula | just goes to show horde is always better |
| 10:15.53 | nevcairiel | if you like being roasted by a big dragon |
| 10:16.17 | NuSuey | I love questing.. but I'm not a fan of the legion performance :( |
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| 10:20.16 | VIad | hardware or the actual game performance? |
| 10:20.23 | VIad | at this point it can be both :p |
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| 10:22.19 | NuSuey | VIad: meaning the game performance.. but I'm a bit of a special case.. too.. |
| 10:22.33 | NuSuey | since I play/stream the games I play on linux :P |
| 10:23.11 | nevcairiel | didnt threy break linux entirely in 7.3.5 |
| 10:23.14 | nevcairiel | i heard such things |
| 10:23.20 | NuSuey | no.. o.O |
| 10:23.39 | NuSuey | the stopped supporting the opengl renderer longer time ago.. ~ 7.1 I think.. |
| 10:23.47 | NuSuey | but dx9 or dx11 works.. |
| 10:24.05 | nevcairiel | presumably both opengl and dx9 are getting removed in 8.0 though |
| 10:24.09 | nebula | someone in here was complaining about wine stuff |
| 10:24.26 | VIad | isn't mac using opengl or something else now? |
| 10:24.35 | nevcairiel | mac is moving to metal exclusively |
| 10:24.41 | NuSuey | metal.. also installed a hackintosh recently.. just to see the metal performance.. |
| 10:24.56 | NuSuey | it's similar to mine performance which is quite meh in legion :| |
| 10:25.04 | NuSuey | ryzen 1600 & rx 560 |
| 10:30.26 | Varyak | Didn't wine just released an update to support dx10 & 11 at least partially? |
| 10:34.44 | NuSuey | lol dx11 was already working in 2.XX .. we have had overwatch working for quite some time already.. |
| 10:35.44 | NuSuey | it's just about implementing dx11 calls .. lots of work, takes time.. it's just getting better each version.. |
| 10:37.17 | NuSuey | so also WoW dx11 .. works, ofc performance is a biiiiiiitt worse than dx9 .. |
| 11:14.29 | VIad | if you force opengl game spends like 10 times longer to load and looks horrible xD |
| 11:15.04 | VIad | I wouldn't mind if they used opengl for potato users or something, or just ofc like fix the issues in the default rendering engine :D |
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| 21:56.18 | VIad | Semlar: can I put something in my function to track what addon calls it? |
| 21:56.23 | VIad | I think you talked about it sometime ago |
| 21:56.40 | VIad | basically wanna stop something from running if called externally |
| 21:56.44 | Semlar | yes, but it wouldn't be particularly efficient |
| 21:57.21 | Semlar | why not just provide two different functions |
| 21:57.31 | Semlar | a local and a global one |
| 21:57.36 | nevcairiel | just make the function internal to your addon if you dont want anyone calling it |
| 21:57.49 | Semlar | i think he wants it to do two different things based on who's calling it |
| 21:58.03 | VIad | it's a bit awkward since the addon modules need a internal way to talk to the main addon |
| 21:58.15 | VIad | so I had to expose something in _G for the module to access |
| 21:58.20 | nevcairiel | no you dont |
| 21:58.25 | nevcairiel | use the addon table the game gives you |
| 21:58.34 | VIad | each addon has its own table |
| 21:58.34 | Semlar | why do you need to prevent other addons from calling it? |
| 21:58.40 | VIad | well dont HAVE to stop them |
| 21:58.53 | Semlar | does it matter? |
| 21:59.02 | VIad | worst case it breaks my addon :D |
| 21:59.04 | nevcairiel | thats the entire point, if each addon has its own table, then your own addon with its modules can just share one =p |
| 21:59.24 | VIad | Addon_Core, Addon_Plugin1 |
| 21:59.31 | nevcairiel | dont do that shit then |
| 21:59.31 | Semlar | two separate addons don't share the same table |
| 21:59.34 | VIad | :P |
| 21:59.36 | VIad | exactly |
| 21:59.49 | VIad | the modules are huge thats why they are split up |
| 22:00.00 | VIad | so the user can avoid loading them at all |
| 22:00.00 | Semlar | but i don't see the point of going out of your way to prevent another addon from calling it if it really wants to |
| 22:00.08 | VIad | nono was just curious :) |
| 22:00.22 | Semlar | the only way to do this would add a decent amount of overhead to the function |
| 22:00.39 | VIad | it's called like max 6 times at login, most common 2 times :p |
| 22:01.13 | Semlar | you can run a stack trace in the function call and go up the chain to see what called it |
| 22:01.59 | nevcairiel | unless your folder structure is too deep, since it shortens file names |
| 22:02.16 | nevcairiel | and if you ever rename stuff, it breaks :D |
| 22:02.17 | Semlar | it does, but if he just wants to prevent other addons from calling it he could just check his own path |
| 22:03.13 | Semlar | AIO actually does this to identify who's changing cvars |
| 22:03.40 | VIad | ah right. I'll take a peak at some point if needed. atm no one messing with it, but if someone does, then. |
| 22:05.34 | Semlar | i wouldn't bother unless you have a compelling reason to do it |
| 22:05.51 | Semlar | it's more likely to cause problems than leaving it alone |
| 22:15.45 | Funkeh` | i thought someone said 128 sound channels doesn't work, why are people saying it does now |
| 22:16.09 | nevcairiel | 128 always worked, but presumably it didnt resolve the problem last week |
| 22:16.21 | Semlar | maybe they fixed it and it doesn't actually matter how many channels you use |
| 22:16.45 | nevcairiel | (although at 128 it complains in the log that you might suffer performance problems) |
| 22:17.08 | Funkeh` | what do you mean it always worked, who said it fixed thbe issue for them? |
| 22:17.51 | nevcairiel | well who knows about always, thats a long time, but you could manually set the channels to 128 for quite a while, but last week people said this didnt help their cut out issues, at least |
| 22:18.25 | Funkeh` | i wasn't stating 128 sound channels wasn't something you could toggle |
| 22:18.35 | Funkeh` | I was stating that someone said it didn't fix the sound issue |
| 22:20.27 | nevcairiel | you didnt exactly say that =p |
| 22:21.43 | Funkeh` | ok, it was a bit out of the blue without context |
| 22:22.20 | nevcairiel | apparently some people even get cut outs standing in town and starting a pull timer, i could never reproduce anything noticeable myself |
| 22:25.15 | Funkeh` | see that alone would make me think there's no way it's filling up so how would 128 help |
| 22:26.44 | Funkeh` | i think we will end up just forcing dialog on, better than forcing 128, and no one at Blizz seems to want to talk about the issue, and TheDanW seems MIA atm |
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