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| 07:50.03 | pumba | whats going on wow people :D |
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| 08:32.25 | Guest31606 | I'm playing work atm, but maybe some wow later tonight |
| 08:34.15 | nevcairiel | work is a boring game |
| 08:34.31 | VIad | no progression system |
| 08:34.41 | VIad | stuck with one dungeon grind |
| 08:38.52 | VIad | why do people say "retcon" if its "retroactively cannon" shouldn't it be "retcan" ? |
| 08:39.02 | VIad | retconned > retcanned |
| 08:39.50 | VIad | could be retroactive continuity I guess |
| 08:40.01 | VIad | just "cannon" was the first thing I thought :x |
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| 09:38.09 | Andols2 | What did they change now? |
| 09:39.25 | nevcairiel | VIad: thats because it means "Retroactive continuity", not what you said =p |
| 09:40.53 | VIad | retroactive continuity, retroactive cannon, shrug |
| 09:41.16 | VIad | Andols2 a lot of small stuff I dunno the whole list :x they constantly apparently change stuff here and there |
| 09:52.38 | nevcairiel | hrm, is there a macro conditional now that corresponds to UnitTargetsVehicleInRaidUI, by any chance? |
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| 10:22.09 | VIad | I still want a way to do something like [@target,harm,@player,nocombat] do-something-when-target-is-attackable-and-the-player-is-not-in-combat |
| 10:23.33 | VIad | maybe dan can add it nev for 8.0 if its missing |
| 10:26.03 | nevcairiel | its not really needed, i guess |
| 10:26.06 | nevcairiel | can work around that |
| 10:32.48 | nevcairiel | just have to wait for 7.3.5 to arrive to actually test |
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| 11:32.21 | VIad | I got a us account :D |
| 11:32.43 | VIad | that reminds me, shouldnt my game update already today to 7.3.5 since I got a us starter account too? :o |
| 11:34.14 | VIad | my launcher says 7.3.2 but I have US account too https://i.imgur.com/UnBALBf.png |
| 11:34.31 | Maldivia | VIad: depends, do you have the EU or US client installed? |
| 11:35.22 | VIad | maybe I should install the US client :D |
| 11:35.26 | VIad | to get the patch a day earlier |
| 11:35.33 | VIad | since I can play with the same client both us and eu anyway |
| 11:35.52 | nevcairiel | not if you update early |
| 11:35.53 | Maldivia | you can't log onto eu then |
| 11:35.54 | VIad | though wonder if its backwards compatible, if I then login tuesday before the patch day on EU :d |
| 11:36.05 | VIad | I guess it's room for improvement here |
| 11:36.16 | VIad | if you happen to play on two regions with different patch dates |
| 11:36.27 | nevcairiel | i dont think they consider that a crucial problem |
| 11:36.30 | VIad | nah |
| 11:36.36 | VIad | would be a bonus :p |
| 11:36.45 | Maldivia | that's been a known issue since... well... beginning of WoW :D |
| 11:36.49 | nevcairiel | diablo 3 has global play and still suffers from the same thing, but its always only like half a day |
| 11:36.58 | VIad | yeah |
| 11:37.04 | VIad | tell me when US is patched |
| 11:37.11 | VIad | I'll try log my US account see what it says :x |
| 11:37.20 | VIad | unless the netcode changes I dont see why it wouldnt work |
| 11:37.32 | Maldivia | it will say you need to update, and then it will start to update, and t hen you can't log onto EU anymore |
| 11:37.37 | VIad | lol |
| 11:37.46 | Maldivia | until tomorrow when EU is patched |
| 11:37.48 | VIad | scary, dunno if I wanna test it since we got raid tonight |
| 11:37.59 | VIad | otherwise I'd 100% test it for fun |
| 11:38.10 | VIad | I expected "incompatible" error but not autopatch |
| 11:38.14 | Torhal | VIad: cannon and canon are two completely unrelated concepts, as well. |
| 11:38.24 | VIad | you got me there Torhal :D |
| 11:38.41 | VIad | I prefer my retroactive cannons myself |
| 11:38.49 | Maldivia | VIad: remind me later today, and I'll check for you :D |
| 11:38.57 | VIad | lol ok Maldivia :d |
| 11:39.09 | VIad | #F for willing to not play wow today |
| 11:39.16 | nevcairiel | retroactive cannon doesnt kill you, but kills your parents before they had you |
| 11:39.24 | Maldivia | I don't have an active sub anyway :) |
| 11:39.51 | Maldivia | and can always just reinstall if it comes to that |
| 11:40.51 | VIad | I like starter edition, makes it easier to check stuff without sub |
| 11:41.20 | VIad | would be cool if you login a high lvl without sub, you get force TPed to stormwind and cant leave it or something |
| 11:41.30 | nevcairiel | what i need to test requires going into antorus, no starter edition solves that =p |
| 11:41.37 | VIad | yeah |
| 11:42.28 | VIad | I hope you don't need to test covenant on heroic in a pug |
| 11:43.11 | nevcairiel | i hope lfr is enough |
| 11:43.16 | VIad | yeah :d |
| 11:44.28 | nevcairiel | need high command to test some vehicle changes for the pods |
| 11:46.20 | VIad | ah right |
| 11:47.15 | VIad | the pots damage I think was applied to the player |
| 11:47.26 | VIad | unsure if its just dmg meter not properly reading the pod as vehicle/pet flag or what :D |
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| 14:47.27 | TheDanW | Semlar: yeah, i just try to break your addons |
| 14:48.33 | Thunder_Child | I approve. |
| 15:17.32 | Maldivia | patch time it seems |
| 15:18.02 | Maldivia | VIad: and yep, log in to us, and now bnet patches :) |
| 15:49.48 | Varyak | they patches eu too |
| 15:50.01 | Varyak | for a while, rolling back now. quality blizzard |
| 15:52.11 | Shockah | yeah great, can't login now |
| 15:52.17 | Shockah | because it already patched to 7.3.5 |
| 15:52.23 | Shockah | but the servers didn't :S |
| 15:52.26 | nevcairiel | mine updated too, not that I care |
| 15:52.40 | Maldivia | Shockah: try to start it, it will say "ups", exit, and bnet app will roll it back |
| 15:53.01 | Shockah | [ Attachment: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/337179640852643840/402852753048731648/unknown.png ] |
| 15:53.03 | Shockah | VIad ^ |
| 15:53.21 | Shockah | you wanted to check a similar thing, so here you go |
| 15:54.13 | nevcairiel | it doesnt actually say anything, but when you quit it still does the rollback |
| 15:54.50 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: well, it will list all realms as incompatible :) |
| 15:58.03 | ls- | TheDanW: sup, could you add PetHasActionBar to secenv and/or macro conditionals? ):3 |
| 15:58.26 | ls- | at some point in the future :D |
| 15:58.38 | nevcairiel | 2022 ok? |
| 15:59.04 | ls- | you're mean :'< |
| 16:00.00 | nevcairiel | that fullfills all your requirements |
| 16:00.05 | nevcairiel | its some point in the future |
| 16:00.28 | nevcairiel | ready for wow 10.0! |
| 16:03.05 | ls- | I hoped for 8.0 or something :p |
| 16:09.48 | VIad | wow 12.x the return of the lichgeras finally adds the last engine tweaks to support scalable cpu cores and gpu cores especially in sli/crossfire setup |
| 16:09.54 | VIad | + PetHasActionBar |
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| 17:11.05 | TheDanW | ls-: it's already on the list, along with better totem conditionals |
| 17:11.20 | ls- | TheDanW: noice <3 |
| 17:13.07 | nevcairiel | Totems are dead, long live totems? |
| 17:13.55 | TheDanW | totem api ~= totems |
| 17:14.34 | Constie | Normal things to hear while playing WoW: '"Orb. Orb!" "Kill the orb."' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYDxHh15lo |
| 17:17.26 | pompy1 | many whelps |
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| 17:20.23 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: is there good stuff coming in 8.0? |
| 17:27.56 | Simca | 64-bit, supposedly! |
| 17:28.03 | Simca | or maybe that's further down |
| 17:28.19 | Funkeh` | i meant for addons |
| 17:28.52 | Simca | i mean, that is a big deal for us considering all of the things recently that have been added that make our life harder are for 32-bit clients to stay under 2GB |
| 17:29.51 | Simca | with that restriction gone, maybe things won't improve persay but they probably won't have to do any more overly complicated projects to defer loading of parts of DB files |
| 17:30.09 | Funkeh` | yeah because a 64bit client is a guarantee they won't continue trying to reduce memory is dumb ways right |
| 17:32.14 | Simca | that new spell stuff might be permanently shelved rather than just pushed to 8.0 |
| 17:32.18 | Simca | if they go 64-bit |
| 17:33.07 | Funkeh` | Yeah I didn't really ask him this question to receive random speculation of what could and couldn't be, I just wanted to see what he'd say |
| 17:36.54 | TheDanW | Funkeh`: yes |
| 17:37.02 | Funkeh` | :D |
| 17:39.45 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: I will prepare my code for nameplate customization and a better/personal replacement for speech bubbles! |
| 17:42.20 | Funkeh` | TheDanW: on a more serious note, will that issue with combat log flags I reported a while back be worked on? |
| 17:45.34 | TheDanW | it's on the list |
| 17:45.56 | Funkeh` | sweet |
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| 17:48.24 | Thunder_Child | I'm starting to wonder if this magical list can be printed out on less than one ream of paper at this point. |
| 17:48.41 | Thunder_Child | Double sided. |
| 17:48.47 | Thunder_Child | In 8pt font. |
| 17:48.53 | Funkeh` | heh |
| 17:49.40 | Funkeh` | oh TheDanW and owner flags for pets for normal combat log, not jsut advanced, so damage meters can finally be consistent and not have to take guesses sometimes |
| 17:49.53 | Funkeh` | the beast mastery hunters that get raged at for low dps will thank you |
| 17:56.21 | Simca | my pet request of GameTooltip:GetGameObject() would also appreciate attention but knows it is so low on the totem pole you might have to crawl on the ground to see it |
| 18:45.43 | Varyak | do you know by any chance if there is some api or whatever to get the used glyphs? I guess GetGlyphSocketInfo wont work with the legion changes |
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| 18:51.41 | TheDanW | GetCurrentGlyphNameForSpell(spellID)? |
| 18:52.23 | foxlit | icky localized return. |
| 18:53.06 | TheDanW | not sure why it doesn't just return a spell id :/ |
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| 19:06.03 | Varyak | Hm better than nothing I guess |
| 19:06.32 | Varyak | I hope they change it for BoA again, way better UX having an extra frame for it |
| 19:07.11 | Semlar | TheDanW: i couldn't find a way to get the real item level of someone's inspected artifact if they had used the netherlight crucible to upgrade their relics |
| 19:07.45 | Semlar | it doesn't seem to show up in the tooltip or the item link |
| 19:11.00 | Thunder_Child | Magic. |
| 19:11.32 | Simca | i think that's a bonus too just the get item level stuff doesn't support it properly |
| 19:12.11 | Simca | but that's been broken since 7.3 so idk maybe it's broken as intended |
| 19:12.35 | TheDanW | yeah, doesn't surprise me too much :/ |
| 19:13.02 | Semlar | does it actually show up in the link? |
| 19:13.28 | Semlar | i could decipher the bonus IDs on the end of the item link beyond them having something to do with the relics |
| 19:14.13 | Semlar | i assumed it wasn't in the item link because the normal ui isn't displaying the right item level on the weapons |
| 19:14.19 | TheDanW | my guess is that the data isn't encoded into the link at all |
| 19:14.40 | nevcairiel | luckily weapons return to their former glory soon-ish |
| 19:14.51 | nevcairiel | also the overload animation looks rather cool |
| 19:14.54 | TheDanW | i didn't work on that part of the system, so i'm not certain |
| 19:15.08 | Semlar | so you're saying it wasn't your fault |
| 19:15.21 | TheDanW | probably Guill's |
| 19:15.25 | Semlar | i knew it |
| 19:15.48 | Simca | artifact instability is purely visual i think tho nevcairiel |
| 19:15.56 | nevcairiel | yeah i assumed as much |
| 19:16.03 | nevcairiel | but it would be fun if something crazy happened |
| 19:16.08 | nevcairiel | but you know, whiners everywhere |
| 19:16.11 | nevcairiel | cant have crazy things |
| 19:16.22 | Varyak | maybe with the prepatch |
| 19:16.33 | Simca | i mean if people suddenly lost their artifacts before a raid, it would be upsetting, yeah |
| 19:17.16 | nevcairiel | not lose, but the animation has like the AP fluctuate by a lot, so it could be randomly adding concordance levels and taking them or something, just for fun :D |
| 19:17.31 | nevcairiel | or even disable random other traits occasionally |
| 19:17.38 | Varyak | how would it work if you level up a new char with bfa? do you still get the weapon and then have to give it up after you hit 110? |
| 19:17.47 | nevcairiel | by the time that event starts the raids have been beaten sideways anyway |
| 19:17.54 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 19:18.03 | nevcairiel | the weapon is quite linked to legion content |
| 19:19.06 | nevcairiel | i doubt the weapon actually goes away as such though, since you are supposed to still be able to unlock further visuals etc, would be kinda awkward if you didnt actually have the weapon anymore |
| 19:19.10 | Varyak | also how are we getting new weapons? I mean like the first one after the artifact? Does Sylvanas give me one "Here boi, fight with me"? |
| 19:19.53 | nevcairiel | i could see a quest that gives us powerful weapons from our class leaders or something |
| 19:20.28 | nevcairiel | until we go back to green ones at 115 or so =p |
| 19:20.36 | Varyak | It would feel awkward if we would have the artifact for a while leveling in BfA and then just replace it after a while |
| 19:20.55 | Varyak | So a transition would be good |
| 19:21.28 | Semlar | the weapon explodes in your hands and you have to level your unarmed skill to quest in the next expansion |
| 19:21.38 | Varyak | hell yeah bring back weapon skills |
| 19:22.01 | Varyak | "miss" "miss" "miss" "miss" "hit" "miss" "miss" DEAD LOL |
| 19:22.03 | nevcairiel | i had unarmed maxed, at the previous max level when it was removed, does that count for something? |
| 19:23.01 | foxlit | for approximately 400 swings. |
| 19:24.01 | nevcairiel | weapon skills was one of those typical things that didnt really make gameplay better and you dont really miss having it gone, but it definitely added some depth |
| 19:24.46 | Varyak | yeah but personally i think they took it too far with removing the hit rating |
| 19:24.59 | nevcairiel | hit rating was the worst |
| 19:25.13 | nevcairiel | such a binary stat is just super annoying |
| 19:26.03 | Varyak | yeah but it made equipment choices more important |
| 19:26.22 | nevcairiel | not really, it flat out made some equipment choices impossible, no matter how good otherwise |
| 19:26.35 | nevcairiel | a stat should not be able to reach a point where it literally benefits you nothing |
| 19:27.14 | Varyak | okay yeah thats true |
| 19:27.46 | nevcairiel | people hate on versatility how its "useless" for them and whatnot, but that doesnt even come close to the uselessness of any hit rating over cap :D |
| 19:28.13 | Varyak | i want spirit back |
| 19:28.38 | Varyak | wanna feel like a real resto druid again |
| 19:28.57 | nevcairiel | i can agree to that, it was nice to be able to decide if you want to focus more on throughput or on sustainability |
| 19:29.19 | nevcairiel | you dont really get that choice at all anymore |
| 19:30.09 | Varyak | i guess what i liked at the existence of hit rating and def rating for that is that you really had to think about what to equip, enchant, gems and couldn't just use the best always |
| 19:30.13 | Varyak | but yeah overcapping is stupid |
| 19:30.51 | nevcairiel | a bit more thought process would be nice, but these days people just go to websites or addons anyway |
| 19:31.28 | Varyak | yeah simcraft tells me i need more versatility, every guide says haste or mastery |
| 19:31.53 | Varyak | Thankfully I don't really care |
| 19:32.24 | Varyak | Often higher ilvl is better regardless of the stats (more or less) |
| 19:32.33 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:33.10 | nevcairiel | on the one hand thats "ok", its a bit odd when a higher item is basically worse, but on the other hand you rarely think about the stat distribution anymore, since you like only get 2 items per slot at most anyway, if even that |
| 19:33.34 | Varyak | i get that blizz wants to simplify it but you don't really have anything anymore really |
| 19:33.46 | Varyak | talents, equipment, glyphes, reforging |
| 19:34.01 | Varyak | professions, racials |
| 19:34.51 | nevcairiel | i'm a nelf, my racials havent changed in forever, and i still wouldnt trade shadowmeld against anything that increases dps or whatever =p |
| 19:46.43 | Andols2 | I have gone Nelf->Tauren->Worgen think I will go back to nelf soon, I want shadowmeld back.... |
| 19:46.57 | Constie | I was going to say I prefer the Human CC break one, but I see it was changed to only break stuns in Legion. RIP. |
| 19:49.24 | Simca | arcane torrent is sooooooooooooooooooooo good in m+ |
| 19:49.34 | Simca | i just know it's gonna get gutted in 8.0 :( |
| 19:50.12 | Constie | I'm hoping to maybe try mythic+ out in BfA. It sounds like my kind of thing on paper, but I've been too busy with raids. |
| 19:50.13 | Semlar | can we make it so pandas don't lose their food buff when they die |
| 19:50.14 | Simca | having 5 more sets of aoe interrupts for imp packs and other crazy groups is so key |
| 19:54.19 | Semlar | actually, can we just change the panda racial to be a permanent buff for whatever the last food we consumed was |
| 19:55.10 | Simca | i guess if they gut arcane torrent it will give me a reason to go nightborne though |
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| 19:55.14 | Semlar | same effect, just without losing our racial buff every time we die or aren't eating every 60 minutes |
| 19:55.25 | Simca | since i'd like to race change but can't because i'd lose a ridiculous amount of utility |
| 19:55.53 | Semlar | nonsense, you're already playing the wrong race |
| 19:56.32 | Simca | (also for some reason it seems like everyone else i play with is bad at aoe interrupts) |
| 19:56.44 | Semlar | what's stopping you from becoming a panda today |
| 19:57.12 | Constie | I'm switching my Rogue to Nightborne because aesthetics. Those earring options. |
| 19:57.28 | Simca | teach my group members how to watch castbars on nameplates and press their arcane torrents when the bars are almost full, Semlar |
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| 19:57.47 | Simca | people interrupt too early into the cast and then the mobs just start casting again and they've accomplished nothing |
| 19:57.50 | Semlar | i'm going to recommend they all race change too, that would solve that problem |
| 19:58.20 | Semlar | they won't have to worry about watching castbars if they don't have arcane torrent |
| 19:59.02 | Semlar | nobody tries to get me to use my aoe interrupt |
| 20:00.01 | Simca | it would be kind of neat if there was a minigame for using interrupts in WoW |
| 20:00.04 | Simca | for a quest or something |
| 20:00.18 | Simca | like they'd give you one, so you could do it regardles of spec |
| 20:00.19 | Semlar | how about just giving me a damage buff for interrupting something |
| 20:00.25 | Simca | regardless* |
| 20:00.26 | Semlar | that would give me a reason to do it |
| 20:00.46 | Semlar | i mean aside from everyone dying |
| 20:00.53 | Simca | nah that just makes everyone blow their interrupts 0.1 sec into the cast which is doing it wrong |
| 20:01.06 | Semlar | not if i'm first |
| 20:01.06 | Simca | maybe if it was conditional on timing |
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| 20:06.24 | nevcairiel | some classes had that |
| 20:06.34 | nevcairiel | a small advantage when they interrupt successfully |
| 20:06.36 | nevcairiel | warriors i think |
| 20:06.42 | nevcairiel | but single only, ofc |
| 20:07.34 | Simca | they killed it for everyone i think and then readded it for Demon Hunters this expansion because consistent design |
| 20:07.42 | Simca | idk why |
| 20:08.12 | nevcairiel | we never had big problems with those imp packs etc though, usually ran with warrior and lock, so we had two aoe stuns, and my emergency typhoon for interrupt |
| 20:08.37 | Simca | they're a problem on 17 explosive fortified |
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| 20:18.00 | Simca | explosive imp packs are so bad. 'quickly, aoe the imps, interrupt and silence them in groups, oh wait, actually now there's suddenly 8 orbs, make sure you single target down all 8 within 4 seconds or you wipe' |
| 20:18.18 | Simca | and the orbs can spawn more orbs, sometimes in weird spots |
| 20:20.28 | nevcairiel | i kinda like the concept of the orbs |
| 20:21.02 | nevcairiel | if you have like a strong tank and a strong melee, they can basically take care of even 8 orbs tho |
| 20:23.26 | Simca | it's pretty nuts but yeah |
| 20:23.44 | Simca | but if the imps get one cast off on 17 you're going to have at least 1 dead party member, if you're lucky |
| 20:47.08 | VIad | nevcairiel: any tests you want me to do on command? |
| 20:47.17 | VIad | we are doing it I can do some /dump when the guy goes into pod |
| 20:47.28 | VIad | if you wonder if the api returns what |
| 20:50.24 | nevcairiel | nah |
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| 22:53.39 | Mr_Rabies | any specific type of addon likely to break in 7.3.5? |
| 22:54.52 | Constie | https://i.imgur.com/fTTBLia.gif |
| 22:57.32 | Mr_Rabies | https://i.imgur.com/9gaSC.gif |
| 22:58.13 | Mr_Rabies | any specific type of server want to come online before the heat death of the universe? |
| 22:59.12 | foxlit | eu servers are up |
| 22:59.17 | Semlar | the ptr is up |
| 22:59.39 | Funkeh` | :D |
| 22:59.57 | Mr_Rabies | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/017/372/ClmrSzk.jpg.jpg |
| 23:08.15 | TheDanW | i think addons will be mostly safe in 7.3.5, we tried to avoid breaking changes |
| 23:08.57 | Mr_Rabies | welp was not expecting an official response, thank you :D |
| 23:12.42 | nevcairiel | especially with the spell info thing shelved, it should be mostly fine i expect |
| 23:24.26 | schlumpf | aka: "shit will break _everywhere_ in 8.0 :)" |
| 23:24.42 | nevcairiel | its an expansion, i would hope so |
| 23:24.57 | nevcairiel | i still fondly remember the days when they even forcefully disabled all addons without a toc update |
| 23:25.01 | nevcairiel | long gone are such days however |
| 23:28.18 | Semlar | good, if my addon works why shouldn't they be able to load it |
| 23:29.25 | nevcairiel | if your addon works, why cant you be bothered to notify users of said fact |
| 23:30.04 | Semlar | because nobody is paying me to waste time bumping a version number on a file for a video game? |
| 23:30.39 | nevcairiel | you should put your addons on curse, then you would get paid for uploading new versions once in a while |
| 23:30.41 | nevcairiel | i sure am! |
| 23:32.47 | ThiefMaster | <TheDanW> i think addons will be mostly safe in 7.3.5, we tried to avoid breaking changes <-- great! :) |
| 23:33.05 | ThiefMaster | out of curiosity, have you ever considered providing some kind of dev realm where you can invite dummies to a group/raid etc? |
| 23:33.41 | nevcairiel | thats what you have guildmates for |
| 23:33.44 | ThiefMaster | (would also be pretty nice to setup raid addons etc. without actually bothering random people to join a raid group just to see the frames) |
| 23:33.44 | nevcairiel | or lfr |
| 23:33.44 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 23:33.48 | Semlar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.14 | Semlar | this must add up to pennies a day |
| 23:34.53 | nevcairiel | thats like $7 a month, dont be greedy! |
| 23:35.29 | Semlar | what is minimum wage |
| 23:35.45 | nevcairiel | (you get more points if you update your addons regularly, at least once every few month or so) |
| 23:35.57 | Semlar | why would they need to be updated |
| 23:36.05 | Semlar | they just work the first time |
| 23:36.07 | TheDanW | "- added extra newline" |
| 23:36.25 | TheDanW | "- removed extra newline" |
| 23:36.34 | Semlar | alright dan's convinced me |
| 23:36.34 | nevcairiel | yeah i dont really like that they added the update thing to point distribution, but its the way it is |
| 23:36.39 | Semlar | i'm going to start publishing updates |
| 23:36.54 | foxlit | what is that amateur hour? |
| 23:37.00 | schlumpf | mfw leaks from blizzard repo history |
| 23:37.14 | nevcairiel | pros like foxlit only add spaces, not entire lines |
| 23:37.15 | Semlar | in fact, i'm going to create an entire ecosystem based around a new website |
| 23:37.19 | foxlit | "Enjoy our latest update where we have fixed some bugs and improved our app to provide you a seamless experience." |
| 23:37.26 | foxlit | "Minor bugs are fixed." |
| 23:37.35 | Semlar | that requires me to publish new updates every day containing a copy of the database |
| 23:37.37 | foxlit | "Bug fixes and performance improvements." |
| 23:37.53 | nevcairiel | more updates dont generate more points Semlar |
| 23:37.53 | foxlit | "We gave the app a few tweaks to keep it humming along nicely" |
| 23:38.10 | Semlar | you literally just said the more i update my addon the more points i'll get |
| 23:38.11 | nevcairiel | sounds like curse client .. err, twitch app, update notes |
| 23:38.43 | foxlit | "General fixes and stability improvements." |
| 23:38.50 | Semlar | i'm going to call it GearScore2.0 |
| 23:38.55 | Semlar | um |
| 23:38.57 | Semlar | dot com |
| 23:39.12 | schlumpf | Actually claiming fixes is so 2005. Check your mobile device's app update log. "Stability improvements". "minor bug fixes". "less errors, more power", "improvements and bug fixes", "thanks for using google maps", "a little update making twitter even more interesting". |
| 23:39.28 | schlumpf | You can literally push a uuid as commit message these days, I guess. |
| 23:39.40 | TheDanW | i was at least honest |
| 23:40.02 | Semlar | since i can't get the correct average item level for a player in game, i'll just scan the entire armory into a database that i ship with my addon |
| 23:40.15 | schlumpf | reasonable approach |
| 23:40.16 | Semlar | and push out updates once a day |
| 23:40.34 | schlumpf | there are auction house addons doing exactly that |
| 23:40.35 | Semlar | no, listen, i'm onto something here |
| 23:40.36 | foxlit | I care deeply about other people's item levels and would like to subscribe to your mailing list. |
| 23:40.38 | nevcairiel | but what if i change my gear |
| 23:40.49 | Semlar | my downloads are going to be through the roof |
| 23:41.10 | Semlar | because it will just keep auto-updating through the twitch client |
| 23:41.15 | nevcairiel | doesnt someone like package the wowprogress m+ data for like everyone into an addon? that was a horrible idea already |
| 23:41.19 | foxlit | but seriously, Semlar, you're out of touch |
| 23:41.31 | Semlar | it's not my fault, i've been away for a while |
| 23:41.39 | foxlit | mythicwebsitethingy.io scores are where it's at, and someone already packages those daily. |
| 23:41.58 | schlumpf | given the modern world, being out of touch is actually desirable |
| 23:42.03 | Semlar | are you trying to say someone stole my idea |
| 23:42.05 | nevcairiel | in a modern world you should just abstract the numbers away and show emojis as indication of their skill |
| 23:42.36 | Semlar | yeah but my gearscore system is better than their gearscore system for a number of reasons |
| 23:42.59 | Semlar | and if you don't have 5000 semlarpoints i'm not inviting you to my mythic2 maw of souls |
| 23:43.33 | Semlar | i take these runs very seriously |
| 23:43.58 | nevcairiel | you should, its a hard world for hunters |
| 23:44.16 | Semlar | yes, my hunter guide is now telling me not to use sidewinders or barrage |
| 23:44.22 | znf | Semlar, wait - I have my own system, mushroom points; should we establish an exchange rate? |
| 23:44.24 | Semlar | i don't know what's real any more |
| 23:44.46 | foxlit | meanwhile, my strategy for getting groups is to join the first group which doesn't have "dicks" "rating" or "link stuff" in its description. |
| 23:44.48 | schlumpf | I'm mostly impressed there still is no gearscorecoin |
| 23:45.32 | Semlar | alright what if i just create an addon that removes every mention of raider.io from the group finder |
| 23:45.51 | znf | I think you just hit gold there, schlumpf |
| 23:46.21 | znf | git clone dash && sed -i'' 's/dash/GearScoreCoin' |
| 23:46.33 | znf | *preps up ICO announcement and exchange discussions* |
| 23:47.11 | schlumpf | be sure to do a good whitepaper |
| 23:47.16 | nevcairiel | regulators have stoped ICOs of fraudulent coins before =p |
| 23:47.22 | pnorman | wipepaper? |
| 23:47.35 | znf | pft, just edit a PDF already |
| 23:47.35 | schlumpf | I would suggest having a $0.2 value per coin in the first offering. |
| 23:47.37 | znf | sed the stuff |
| 23:47.46 | znf | I was thinking $0.01, no pre-mine, no genesis |
| 23:47.59 | znf | and ask for 1.000.000 coins for a masternode |
| 23:48.21 | znf | also add words like "privacy", "stealth", "untraceable" in the whitepaper |
| 23:48.43 | Semlar | i can't help but notice Pawn overwrites the IsContainerItemAnUpgrade function and taints everything in the interface |
| 23:49.14 | nevcairiel | what you gonna do |
| 23:49.31 | znf | we're calling it "Hybrid PoS + PoW", but make it sha256 so we discourage mining directly |
| 23:50.00 | foxlit | znf: more wow-related concepts or riot. |
| 23:50.01 | nevcairiel | that function is only called in very few places, does it really break all the things |
| 23:50.11 | znf | foxlit, proof of Orc? |
| 23:50.26 | foxlit | proof of loot would be the obvious thing. |
| 23:50.37 | znf | nah, we're calling it Proof of Raid |
| 23:50.50 | Semlar | it's called from the bag slot buttons, so it's probably not great |
| 23:51.11 | nevcairiel | its funny though that IsContainerItemAnUpgrade hasnt been purged from the game yet, the default function never returns any data as far as I could determine |
| 23:51.12 | Semlar | and when is overwriting a blizzard function ever a good idea |
| 23:51.49 | znf | because everyone liked WoTLK, masternodes will have 4 "levels"! 10/25/10H/25H "raids"? |
| 23:51.50 | nevcairiel | its the cheap way to get instant support in a variety of bag addons |
| 23:51.55 | znf | lots of stuff to do here |
| 23:53.41 | foxlit | wts hookinsecurefunc([table,] "name", hook) |
| 23:54.05 | nevcairiel | why |
| 23:54.24 | nevcairiel | its not like hooksecurefunc cares that its actually secure |
| 23:54.40 | Funkeh` | probably better off calling it hookfuncinsecurely |
| 23:54.55 | foxlit | on second thought, hook is a bit of a misnomer; the intention is a pre-hook (replacement) rather than a post-hook (what hooksecure does) |
| 23:55.51 | nevcairiel | replacements require some sort of pre-defined syntax to be able to call the original function somehow, so that might get tricky with a single function call |
| 23:56.13 | Semlar | i don't even care about replacing what a function does, i just want to be able to run a function before another function is called |
| 23:56.29 | foxlit | you can grab the original before creating the hook, or you can pass the original as the first arg |
| 23:57.15 | nevcairiel | well for the first, why do you still need that when you can just do local foo = func; func = function() .. do stuff .. foo(); end |
| 23:57.31 | Semlar | it would also be nice to get the return value from the function you hooked |
| 23:57.33 | nevcairiel | i dont see it saving anything then |
| 23:57.38 | foxlit | I don't want to taint the global. |
| 23:57.56 | nevcairiel | but how is that then insecure |
| 23:57.58 | foxlit | (=> replacement hook would only be called from tainted execution paths) |
| 23:58.12 | nevcairiel | now thats stretching it =p |
| 23:59.10 | foxlit | simple to implement, though, and it'd let you replace API functions for other addons without annoying framexml. |
| 23:59.40 | Funkeh` | On another note, it would be great to have a way to grab a guaranteed unhooked version of a function like blizz can |
