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| 16:18.04 | Thunder_Child | haste: Were you talking about the comic or the software? |
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| 16:33.13 | haste | software :D |
| 16:35.14 | ls- | "Players that are part of really good heroic and even fair 5/9 mythic guilds are going to have a difficult time with bosses like Ragnaros." |
| 16:35.23 | ls- | omg, some people are delusional... |
| 16:35.39 | Funkeh` | well for starters they will need twice the amount of players |
| 16:35.59 | Funkeh` | so yeah, if you want to do it with 20 it will be difficult xD |
| 16:36.19 | ls- | MC/BWL could be cleared w/ 20+ people who are good by 2005 standards... |
| 16:36.38 | Funkeh` | wat |
| 16:36.57 | ls- | the rest was dead weight |
| 16:37.14 | Funkeh` | I think someone has the rose tinted glasses on |
| 16:37.16 | ls- | but you really needed 40ppl in AQ and naxx |
| 16:38.07 | ls- | if I had them, I'd say that BWL was a pinnacle of Vanilla raiding or something like that |
| 16:39.02 | Funkeh` | I don't recall anyone saying that |
| 16:39.07 | Funkeh` | BWL was a buggy PoS on release |
| 16:42.40 | nevcairiel | BWL was also strongly gated at the second boss already |
| 16:44.15 | nevcairiel | what was that, 1 hour of attempts every 12 hours or something |
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| 18:33.14 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
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| 22:57.24 | Gnarfoz | VIad: which bitrate did you end up feeding Twitch in your upscale bonanza? |
| 22:59.47 | Gnarfoz | for Primer =) |
| 23:03.05 | Esamynn|Work | Funkeh`: yes, MC could be cleared with a lot fewer players by the end of Vanilla, but only if they had mostly full gear from BWL/AC and even Naxx |
| 23:03.31 | Esamynn|Work | hell, I even remember clearing MC in like 90ish minutes if we pushed |
| 23:03.43 | Esamynn|Work | but we did those runs to gear alts, new members, etc. |
| 23:07.38 | Funkeh` | "at the end of vanilla" |
| 23:08.04 | nevcairiel | farming old raids with gear from higher raids, clearly you can use less people =p |
| 23:08.10 | Funkeh` | :D |
| 23:08.16 | Gnarfoz | I don't think we ever did "half the raid missing", but even in BWL we could certainly have done with some of the people at the bottom of the dps meter |
| 23:08.29 | Gnarfoz | (that is in MC/BWL gear, before AQ) |
| 23:08.44 | nevcairiel | sure, 40 man has some leeway |
| 23:08.58 | nevcairiel | but not like half the raid |
| 23:09.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah no, not half the raid |
| 23:09.06 | Gnarfoz | half the raid was healers! |
| 23:09.08 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:09.10 | Funkeh` | I just find this idea that everyone is suddenly "more skilled" amusing |
| 23:09.21 | nevcairiel | i think thats probably true, tho |
| 23:09.22 | Funkeh` | if anything they'd give up after 5 tries and say "this needs fixed" |
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| 23:09.45 | nevcairiel | at least for those dedicated to raiding, not the lfr crowd |
| 23:09.53 | Gnarfoz | the best of the best will just bash their heads against it until the US holiday of the month is over and US blizz people come back to the office |
| 23:10.49 | Funkeh` | people were far more used to grinding and things taking hours and weeks back then |
| 23:11.02 | Funkeh` | there are far less people like that in todays instant gratification world |
| 23:11.18 | nevcairiel | that is the thing, raiding was much more about the logistics back then, not necessarily the skill required in the raid itself |
| 23:11.22 | Gnarfoz | hence the inevitable "half a server full" population for wow: classic |
| 23:11.30 | nevcairiel | so the raids are relatively easy mechanically |
| 23:11.36 | nevcairiel | you just need to grind your ass off to sustain that |
| 23:11.38 | Gnarfoz | (but they said they'd still be fine with that, so whatever) |
| 23:13.16 | Funkeh` | logistics still apply when you're 40 people, it doesn't suddenly get easier because its 2017 |
| 23:13.41 | Gnarfoz | exactly |
| 23:14.10 | Funkeh` | the only thing that would make it easier is experience with the bosses themselves |
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| 23:25.11 | nevcairiel | the bosses are also totally researched, every possibly strategy has been discovered, that certainly helps |
| 23:28.42 | Gnarfoz | wait until they find entirely new approaches to Lucifron, 15 years later! ^^ |
| 23:29.24 | zenzelezz | "Who brought water?" "..." "..." "..." "..." |
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