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| 09:13.23 | VIad | Semlar: do you know if you can hide HP bar only on friendly nameplates using cvars? |
| 09:13.41 | Semlar | i don't think so |
| 09:13.45 | VIad | #rip |
| 09:14.33 | VIad | would be nice if in raids I could show friendly nameplates without the healthbars :P |
| 09:14.43 | Semlar | they should probably just remove friendly nameplates |
| 09:15.09 | VIad | the nameplate name is readable from any distance |
| 09:15.16 | VIad | but the world name over the character isnt |
| 09:15.31 | Semlar | that's because their name system sucks and needs to be fixed |
| 09:16.25 | VIad | we need like 200 nameplate cvars for proper customization atm :p |
| 09:17.28 | Semlar | i tried to explain to people how useful it was to be able to have friendly nameplates on in raids quite a long time ago and literally everybody i talked to said friendly nameplates were useless and got in the way |
| 09:18.01 | Semlar | and then some guild attached some stuff to them for some raid video and suddenly people were a lot more interested in them |
| 09:19.28 | VIad | I modded mine to only show names for raiding, easier to see who is where, but with the blizz changes in instances, no more :( |
| 09:24.28 | Semlar | i think me asking them to add the ability to resize the nameplate hit-boxes separately made it less of an issue to have friendly nameplates on because you could click on something behind them without them intercepting your mouse |
| 09:24.58 | Semlar | and this made it less detrimental to have them on in a raid |
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| 10:07.28 | Gnarfoz | Semlar:Â of course people are more interested in cheating. also, they'd be even more interested if you could do the cheating stuff without showing the actual nameplate (which was possible back then, oif course) |
| 10:07.38 | Gnarfoz | -i |
| 10:08.08 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, overhead names being unreadable at basically any distance but melee is a bug from what, 2003? :P |
| 10:14.11 | AcidWeb | Vlad: Try replace textures used in bars. |
| 10:16.24 | VIad | but it will affect the enemy hp bars too :d |
| 10:16.40 | VIad | and there is a cvar to hide the hp bar on all the nameplates :3 |
| 10:16.51 | AcidWeb | There is? |
| 10:17.01 | AcidWeb | Well i handle enemy nameplates with addon. |
| 10:17.05 | AcidWeb | Frienly one are problem. |
| 10:21.39 | VIad | I am going to start upscaling my 1080p to 1440p just for the sake of having the option to view the 1440p video and avoid artifacts :p |
| 10:22.05 | VIad | like even if its only upscaled you still get rid of a lot of artifacts in the video and thats nice. |
| 10:23.03 | nevcairiel | that makes no sense. what do you think your player does when playing a 1080p video on a 1440p screen? right, upscale it! :D |
| 10:24.22 | VIad | the bandwidth available on 1080p isnt enough to properly render the scene as I see it on my 1080p resolution screen |
| 10:24.58 | VIad | but if I stream it 1440p it has more bandwidth available and that helps avoid artifacts on the screen, the player on a 1080p screen would downscale it to 1080p yeah but you also avoid the artifacts :d |
| 10:25.57 | Gnarfoz | bandwidth.... resolution? |
| 10:25.58 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 10:26.07 | Gnarfoz | you're clearly confusing things |
| 10:26.13 | VIad | recording and spinning my camera fast in a graphically dense area like a lot of different things to render that pop in and out, on just regular 1080p stream when I replay it in the browser I see artifacts, those arent in the game ofc. if I did the same by telling OBS to upscale the broadcast to 1440p that is gone when I then play it on 1440p in the browser too |
| 10:26.37 | Gnarfoz | are you talking about bitrate |
| 10:26.44 | VIad | probably yeah :p |
| 10:26.49 | Gnarfoz | because if you are, then just increase the bitrate of your 1080p stream? |
| 10:26.50 | nevcairiel | you are clearly delusional. artificially upscaling never increases quality =p |
| 10:26.50 | Gnarfoz | wtf |
| 10:27.06 | VIad | it doesnt have the same effect, like I tried that too |
| 10:27.21 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't have the effect you described either, unless today is opposite day |
| 10:28.12 | Gnarfoz | why would 1440p be better quality by itself? it's just... bigger. |
| 10:28.41 | Gnarfoz | the bitrate is not tied to the resolution, just increase it for your current resolution |
| 10:28.55 | VIad | it might be youtube related :p |
| 10:29.17 | VIad | https://i.imgur.com/g3q12tU.png |
| 10:29.58 | VIad | I just noticed by sending the video 1440p with the exact same settings I used for 1080p by selecting the 1440p option on youtube the artifacts were reduced when spinning the camera :p |
| 10:32.08 | Gnarfoz | if anything, you're decreasing the quality of what you send to youtube |
| 10:32.32 | Gnarfoz | since 1440p @ 20 Mbit/s can't look better than 1080p @ 20 Mbit/s |
| 10:33.01 | Gnarfoz | https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en |
| 10:33.10 | Gnarfoz | so you're not imagining things, but the reason is terrible. |
| 10:33.18 | Gnarfoz | (i.e. youtube limitations) |
| 10:33.22 | VIad | yeah |
| 10:33.25 | Gnarfoz | better than Twitch, I guess |
| 10:33.46 | AcidWeb | FYI next ElvUI release will allow to display blizz friendly nameplates and custom enemy nameplates at once in restricted instances |
| 10:33.47 | VIad | so 1080p is capped at 12 and 1440p at 24 |
| 10:34.07 | Gnarfoz | AcidWeb:Â like... every other addon? |
| 10:34.07 | nevcairiel | AcidWeb: you mean like every other nameplate addon out there? =P |
| 10:34.37 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â 8 Mbit/s for 30fps, 12 for 60 (you decide if that's a fair scaling) |
| 10:34.58 | nevcairiel | its actually not too bad, double the fps doesnt really double the information |
| 10:35.01 | AcidWeb | I'm aware about other addons. Just talking about ElvUI. |
| 10:35.07 | AcidWeb | There was no option to do that. |
| 10:35.16 | Gnarfoz | more points in the ElvUI is terrible bucket |
| 10:35.24 | VIad | for 1080p screens I can go 1440p upscale and 24 mbps :d |
| 10:35.26 | nevcairiel | you just make it sound like its a ground breaking enhancement, while it should be the most basic of things |
| 10:35.28 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â that was actually the wrong link, https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2853702?hl=en has streaming limits |
| 10:35.43 | VIad | ah nice |
| 10:35.44 | Gnarfoz | clearly, you should stream in 4K@60fps and use 68 Mbit/s. |
| 10:35.48 | VIad | :D |
| 10:35.52 | VIad | oh yes |
| 10:35.59 | VIad | upscale my 1080p to 4k |
| 10:36.06 | Gnarfoz | (err, that's the non-stream limit again. stream is 51M?) |
| 10:36.09 | VIad | will look nice if you show it on a 1080p screen though |
| 10:36.26 | AcidWeb | Well most basic thing should be customising friendly nameplates everywhere ð |
| 10:36.33 | Gnarfoz | that is a thing of the past. |
| 10:36.54 | Gnarfoz | until we get secure nameplates, which might be never. :D |
| 10:37.28 | VIad | the nighthold nameplate change felt like a hotfix change |
| 10:37.30 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â your screenshot doesn't show fps |
| 10:37.43 | VIad | I am doing 60fps |
| 10:37.44 | AcidWeb | For now people who want just custom them - can't. And people who used that to cheat still can. |
| 10:37.56 | AcidWeb | Great success. |
| 10:38.11 | Gnarfoz | obviously, the solution is to roll it all back? |
| 10:38.18 | nevcairiel | before it was forbidden, it wasnt exactly cheating at all |
| 10:38.24 | Gnarfoz | no, the solution is to fix the loophole, Blizz is aware of it |
| 10:38.47 | Gnarfoz | right, it was "extreme hand-holding team sports" :p |
| 10:39.28 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â hmm 9 Mbit/s should be ok-ish... for 30fps :D youtube limits are dumb |
| 10:39.37 | VIad | its not optimal example but take a look https://i.imgur.com/5J5hVKg.png |
| 10:39.53 | VIad | one of them has a bit more artifacts when I spin around than the other |
| 10:40.23 | Gnarfoz | if you showed them in full size, the difference might be more obvious :D |
| 10:40.23 | VIad | and only difference is I ticked option to send 1440p upscaled from 1080p and the players just use the two different qualities :d |
| 10:40.39 | nevcairiel | thats why video usually has motion blur, rapid motion is extremely hard to encode in full detail =p |
| 10:40.53 | VIad | the shadows near the light, the green prison effect color on the left (book platform) |
| 10:40.56 | Gnarfoz | sure, but clearly, the left picture is better |
| 10:41.03 | VIad | thats the 1440p one |
| 10:41.10 | Gnarfoz | no surprise |
| 10:41.39 | Gnarfoz | this is an interesting, albeit annoying "discovery" :( |
| 10:41.42 | VIad | :p |
| 10:41.53 | nevcairiel | youtube doing dumb shit to encodes is news to you? :) |
| 10:42.04 | Gnarfoz | well, no |
| 10:42.13 | VIad | its as you linked only to get more bitrate available to make it look nicer even if you view it on a 720p screen, gets rid of artifacts in high moving scenery |
| 10:42.18 | Gnarfoz | but that you can get around it *this* way ^^ |
| 10:42.39 | nevcairiel | you could also downscale to 720p |
| 10:42.54 | nevcairiel | still 6mbit! |
| 10:43.22 | Gnarfoz | not the worst solution |
| 10:43.27 | nevcairiel | clearly you should just game in 1440p and not have any issues |
| 10:43.51 | Gnarfoz | I'm more annoyed that, whenever I decide to stream something, once a year, my 16:10 screens make this annoying |
| 10:44.32 | nevcairiel | i replaced my 16:10 screen when i went to 1440p |
| 10:44.38 | VIad | managed to snap the exact same frames in the comparison too https://i.imgur.com/qlMhqnA.png |
| 10:45.36 | VIad | wonder if my network can deal with 25k instead of 20k :( |
| 10:45.42 | VIad | or if it will end up in buffering hell |
| 10:45.47 | Gnarfoz | why do you need to wonder about that |
| 10:46.04 | Gnarfoz | subtract 25 Mbit/s from your available upload bandwidth, done! |
| 10:46.14 | VIad | in theory I got 100 mbit/s :P |
| 10:46.21 | Gnarfoz | so... yeah? :p |
| 10:46.31 | VIad | but I think its more like 70 in practice but yeah probably should be fine |
| 10:49.37 | VIad | we'll get host down next raid, in p3 we need to get used to going further away when the stacks are high because it gets dangerous, fast :p |
| 11:00.44 | VIad | Gnarfoz: https://i.imgur.com/8zA44fG.png |
| 11:00.49 | VIad | last test I did using 30 mbps :P |
| 11:01.44 | VIad | upscaled my 1080p to 1440p like before, spinning my camera holding down the left-arrow. left is 1440p60 in youtubes config wheel, the right is 1080p60 :d |
| 11:02.15 | VIad | under the right situation it is very noticable, even if not a screenshot it can still be visible under the "right" situation |
| 11:04.16 | VIad | I just wanted to mention this to those that might youtube stream. like I do it mostly for myself, to see past raids, what we did wrong, good, and so on |
| 11:04.40 | VIad | but I'd like to do it over 1440p60 now knowing I get more cleaner videos for me to maybe download later if I need them, or wanna edit :d |
| 11:05.11 | VIad | my 3 hour raids are like 40 gb files, but its great if I wanna tap into the source and edit from those ofc :d |
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| 11:07.46 | VIad | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvi0sSB-4WA |
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| 11:09.48 | VIad | oh youtube auto-tags your stream with the game you play, but they put WOD on the info, not legion .x |
| 11:11.11 | nevcairiel | that stands for warcraft on demand |
| 11:11.20 | VIad | hah |
| 11:17.30 | Gnarfoz | if you just want to record it for later watching, why not just record to disk |
| 11:17.45 | Gnarfoz | you wouldn't be constrained by youtube's bitrate limitations ^^ |
| 11:18.14 | Gnarfoz | also, I wonder if youtube molests your video if you're within the bitrate limits for your rez/fps |
| 11:18.47 | Gnarfoz | (because clearly at 30 Mbit/s, they have to re-encode it, but do they at 17? |
| 11:18.58 | Gnarfoz | I wonder how much of the terribleness is because of their re-encoding |
| 11:19.06 | Gnarfoz | and how much because of the low bitrate ceiling |
| 11:20.30 | nevcairiel | if you do everything right, they might keep it |
| 11:20.55 | Gnarfoz | good luck, I guess |
| 11:21.00 | nevcairiel | although with a proper encoder you could probably make it half the size at the same quality |
| 11:21.02 | Gnarfoz | and hard to tell if they did anything to it, as well |
| 11:21.08 | nevcairiel | but thats not for realtime |
| 11:21.11 | Gnarfoz | true, but who's got CPU for that |
| 11:21.34 | Gnarfoz | me=tesa :D |
| 11:21.55 | nevcairiel | he probably even use gpu encoding |
| 11:22.14 | Gnarfoz | he did |
| 11:22.30 | Gnarfoz | which I would recommend to anyone not having a lot of CPU to spare :P |
| 11:22.46 | nevcairiel | sure, but thats extra inefficient bitrate wise |
| 11:22.52 | Gnarfoz | using the VPU at higher settings seems like a no-brainer |
| 11:23.05 | Gnarfoz | because it just idles otherwise ^^ |
| 11:23.15 | nevcairiel | if you have the upload to spare to just throw more bits at it, its fine |
| 11:23.53 | Gnarfoz | guess you'd need to do some extensive testing to find exactly where x264 would be better, if you have a good bitrate ceiling to work with |
| 11:24.14 | Gnarfoz | Twitch plebs only get 3.5 Mbit/s to work with, so x264 is probably the way to go there |
| 11:24.32 | Kalroth | 265?! |
| 11:24.46 | Gnarfoz | doesn't really help |
| 11:24.49 | Gnarfoz | vp9 might |
| 11:25.37 | Kalroth | AV1 supercedes vp10, so it might be even bettererer |
| 11:25.55 | Kalroth | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOMedia_Video_1 |
| 11:26.08 | Gnarfoz | it also doesn't exist, yet |
| 11:26.32 | nevcairiel | and it will be years before you can reliably use realtime encoding in any of those named codecs =p |
| 11:26.36 | Kalroth | minor detail |
| 11:26.44 | nevcairiel | also vp10 never existed either |
| 11:26.48 | Gnarfoz | not to mention playback in browsers |
| 11:26.50 | Kalroth | "As of late August 2017, 29 of 99 experimental coding tools are enabled by default in the developmental software codebase." |
| 11:27.02 | Gnarfoz | quoting the wrong thing |
| 11:27.04 | Gnarfoz | "The bitstream format is projected to be frozen in Q4[7][8] of 2017." |
| 11:27.10 | Kalroth | "VP10 was announced on 12 September 2014," liar nevcairiel |
| 11:27.22 | Gnarfoz | I hereby announce VP11. take note. |
| 11:27.48 | Kalroth | https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Libvpx-VP10-Starts |
| 11:28.08 | nevcairiel | just because someone announces something doesnt mean it actually exists |
| 11:28.19 | haste | phoronix :( |
| 11:28.26 | Kalroth | "Google engineers working on VP10 have started pushing code into the public libvpx repository where VP8 and VP9 video encoding support resides. " |
| 11:28.31 | foxlit | for instance, Semlar announces addons all the time. |
| 11:28.32 | Kalroth | they've pushed actual code |
| 11:28.48 | foxlit | and I have it on good authority that someone has actually seen Semlar-written code! |
| 11:28.53 | foxlit | yet, no addons. |
| 11:29.01 | Kalroth | Semlar doesn't count tho, he's likely not even real |
| 11:29.42 | Semlar | rude |
| 11:30.35 | Semlar | i like to think i exist |
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| 11:37.17 | Kalroth | how can you be sure we're not a figment of your imagination |
| 11:40.35 | Bluspacecow | >_> |
| 11:40.38 | Bluspacecow | <_< |
| 11:40.50 | Bluspacecow | I AM A BANNANA! |
| 11:42.47 | Kalroth | ring ring ring bananaphone |
| 11:43.18 | Gnarfoz | haste:Â did you really close Kemayo's pull request after 5 years |
| 11:43.36 | haste | Gnarfoz: No, he/she did it |
| 11:44.19 | haste | It probably fell between a crack :( |
| 11:45.52 | haste | Or actually, that was around when real life started hitting pretty hard |
| 11:48.40 | VIad | I only kept the gpu encoding only because wow doesn't even use it :/ |
| 11:49.25 | VIad | havent seen a diff using gpu or cpu for that. also only reason I do youtube is because I dont have HD space for all of it :D |
| 11:49.45 | VIad | 4 hour raid all recorded is big and I dont have anywhere to keep storing such sizes |
| 11:53.19 | VIad | I am open for suggestions if you saw some inadequate settings, Gnarfoz :p |
| 11:53.38 | VIad | but often combining the settings and what youtube does isn't always that easy |
| 11:53.52 | VIad | like the silly upscaling trick for better video quality on youtube >_> |
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| 14:36.51 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â I think nevcairiel was referring to using VPU encoding at all |
| 14:38.25 | Gnarfoz | with x264 you could do stuff like increasing the motion estimation range, limiting (or increasing) number of b-frames, pick a different motion estimation algorithm, and many other things I barely understand |
| 14:57.40 | Bluspacecow | VPU ? wat dat ? |
| 14:59.06 | Thunder_Child | VIad Processing Unit. |
| 14:59.26 | VIad | yeah I am running an old vlad :( |
| 15:11.58 | Torhal | Are you sure you aren't running _from_ an old VIad? |
| 15:27.42 | Bluspacecow | super saiyan freiza. this show really has jumped the shark |
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| 15:59.21 | Gnarfoz | Bluspacecow:Â vidya prozessink u-knit |
| 15:59.40 | Bluspacecow | interesting |
| 15:59.42 | Bluspacecow | is that french ? |
| 16:00.42 | Gnarfoz | not unless nvidia moved |
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| 19:30.26 | Semlar | does anyone know how to actually trigger a "script ran too long" error |
| 19:31.43 | Semlar | running an infinite loop in combat doesn't seem to |
| 19:33.05 | Gnarfoz | if anyone knows, it's Funkeh` |
| 19:33.49 | Semlar | is it only active inside of instances or something |
| 19:34.31 | Gnarfoz | I think instances have tighter limits, hence his particular exposure |
| 19:46.57 | Funkeh` | the limit is universal, it applies in combat or when falling |
| 19:47.58 | foxlit | 7.3 changed thins. |
| 19:48.04 | foxlit | s/ns/ngs/ |
| 19:48.43 | Funkeh` | it fixed some legitimate usage triggering it, such as loading an addon |
| 19:50.25 | foxlit | basically, same observed behavior as Semlar: I can't trigger it now. |
| 19:51.19 | foxlit | It seems to have no problem letting you hang the renderer for multiple seconds while falling or in combat. |
| 19:55.06 | Funkeh` | doing what, that seems like a bug |
| 19:55.12 | Semlar | TheDanW: do you know if the "script ran too long" thing is currently functional? |
| 19:59.23 | foxlit | hey, I'm not going to look this gift horse in the mouth; a world where that error doesn't exist at all is preferable. |
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| 20:30.47 | TheDanW | its more targeted for what its intended to prevent, it is was working as expected afaik |
| 20:33.41 | Thunder_Child | TheDanW: 'It is was'? Does that mean both? |
| 20:34.20 | TheDanW | bleh, it is working as expected afaik |
| 20:56.26 | Semlar | what does it target |
| 21:09.11 | TheDanW | things |
| 21:09.42 | Semlar | is there a way i can intentionally trigger the error |
| 21:09.57 | TheDanW | i'd rather you didn't |
| 21:10.55 | foxlit | error("hi Semlar") would be about equivalent. |
| 21:11.15 | Semlar | i was just curious how it actually worked |
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| 21:14.16 | Thunder_Child | "Can I exploit WoW? I'm just curious how it actually works." |
| 21:16.02 | foxlit | my impression is that if you hit the time limit, every operation becomes error("hi Semlar") until the Lua stack is completely unwound. |
| 21:21.13 | Semlar | what if i'm already unwound |
| 21:22.10 | pompy | TheDanW: the "client" return for the friends that are logged into the new mobile app is "BSAp"? support for that hasn't been added to BNet.lua yet? |
| 21:22.20 | foxlit | are you a Lua stack, Semlar? |
| 21:22.24 | foxlit | that might explain some things. |
| 21:22.32 | Semlar | i might be |
| 21:30.06 | Torhal | pompy: API name might be helpful in what you're describing. |
| 21:30.25 | TheDanW | it'll just use the standard battle.net icon |
| 21:32.25 | pompy | ^ |
| 21:32.28 | pompy | Torhal: |
| 21:32.48 | Torhal | I think the problem he isn't accurately describing, TheDanW, is it's returning "BSAp" instead of a number such as BNET_CLIENT_APP. |
| 21:33.09 | Torhal | But I'm assuming that's a problem on the Android side. |
| 21:35.15 | pompy | Torhal: it's a string not a number iirc |
| 21:36.16 | Torhal | pompy: You're right. |
| 21:36.30 | Torhal | But BSAp isn't any of what's in BNet.lua :) |
| 21:36.35 | pompy | indeed |
| 21:38.14 | [TOM_RUS] | TheDanW: any change C_LFGList.GetApplicantMemberStats could return some actually useful information about applicants, like for example number of M+15 clears, number of KJ kills per difficulty and so on? |
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| 22:00.38 | TheDanW | pompy: is it actually causing a problem? it should just have the standard battle.net display |
| 22:00.50 | TheDanW | [TOM_RUS]: that's a question for design, not me |
| 22:12.20 | Torhal | TheDanW: It's just an inconsistency and makes them show up under "Blizzard App (Games)" in my AddOn. I'll just code around it. |
| 22:12.48 | Torhal | I have: if client == _G.BNET_CLIENT_APP or client == _G.BNET_CLIENT_CLNT then |
| 22:12.53 | Torhal | else - games section. |
| 22:29.50 | pompy | Torhal: and the icon doesn't show |
| 22:30.10 | Torhal | Yeah - doesn't have one for the games section. :) |
| 22:30.38 | pompy | in the friendsframe window it shows the "blue person" icon |
| 22:31.59 | Torhal | The app section straight-up uses the normal icon. The games section looks for a corresponding icon to the token. Since "BSAp" doesn't have an icon as far as my games section is concerned... |
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| 22:51.35 | TheDanW | gotcha |
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