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| 04:15.24 | Simca_ | today in: So You Think You Can Spell (Blizzard Edition) |
| 04:15.27 | Simca_ | Spells\7FX_DeathTitan_Pyshical_Scan.M2 |
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| 04:17.06 | Simca_ | also, Spells\7FX_RuneFire_Thicc.blp |
| 04:17.26 | Simca_ | i have no idea if that's a pop culture reference or just abysmal spelling |
| 04:19.52 | ls- | lmao |
| 04:19.55 | ls- | thicc :D |
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| 05:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | we finally got heroic kil'jaeden, jesus what a mess of a fight |
| 05:52.03 | nevcairiel | i like it |
| 05:54.06 | Mr_Rabies | i hate fights with really easy early phases that take forever and then like 8 minutes in it's punishing |
| 05:58.18 | nevcairiel | it took us longer to properly learn the first phases then the last one |
| 05:58.31 | nevcairiel | once we got to the last one with everyone alive a few times it was pretty much dead |
| 05:59.11 | Mr_Rabies | the final final phase isn't too bad, so long as enough people are up |
| 05:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | the whole fight being really unforgiving even after all the nerfs is pretty frustrating |
| 06:00.03 | Mr_Rabies | took us 98 wipes and we finally killed it |
| 06:00.17 | Mr_Rabies | avatar took 132, but we one-shot it almost every time now |
| 06:00.31 | Mr_Rabies | it's a much faster fight to iterate on, though, which contributes |
| 06:00.43 | Mr_Rabies | we had a lot of bad luck with avatar bugging out in weird ways, too |
| 06:01.03 | nevcairiel | avatar also much more benefits from more gear, the further you get him in p1, the easier it is |
| 06:01.24 | Mr_Rabies | suddenly spiking to 100 energy and phasing when he's had minimal beam exposure, him randomly swapping to melee and one-shotting them with both tanks in range and with much more threat, etc |
| 06:01.26 | ls- | we're wiping on M KJ >_> but 2/3 of our roster thinks about stopping wasting time on it and do other things instead |
| 06:02.30 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno if they're really that buggy or we're just that "lucky" but we see a lot of boss bugs |
| 06:02.48 | Mr_Rabies | more than once the 2nd boss of HFC jsut stood there for the whole fight after the first meteor thing |
| 06:02.53 | Mr_Rabies | just stood there, didn't even melee |
| 06:03.37 | ls- | wow, rngesus prob loves you |
| 06:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | we get a lot of "boss suddenly despawns" too |
| 06:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | probably 2-3 times per tier |
| 06:06.05 | ls- | well, that's kinda common, we had them too |
| 06:06.13 | ls- | esp on avatar and sisters |
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| 07:22.37 | AcidWeb | x = select(2, ...) vs _, x = ... |
| 07:22.52 | AcidWeb | There is any real performace diffrence? |
| 07:24.41 | nevcairiel | the second is probably faster, but i wouldnt worry about it and use what seems easier to understand for you |
| 07:25.08 | ls- | iirc, someone on wowi did some testing and there's no difference, so use whichever you like the most :p |
| 07:25.18 | AcidWeb | OK. Thanks. |
| 07:47.38 | VIad | ls-: oh really? even in a OnUpdate loop type situation? :o |
| 07:50.01 | ls- | I'm def not going to look for that thread... |
| 07:50.04 | ls- | it's years ago |
| 07:54.55 | VIad | heh its cool. I too remember talks about those :p |
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| 08:32.50 | Bluspacecow | i suppose you could run each one through a Lua profiler .... |
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| 08:44.21 | Gnarfoz | or you could spend your time on something useful :D |
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| 10:00.37 | VIad | you saying performance isnt important? |
| 10:01.01 | VIad | I know people that write hooks inside functions that are executed more than once ,_, |
| 10:01.48 | nevcairiel | there is high-level performance, and there is micro-optimization =p |
| 10:02.24 | Gnarfoz | VIad:Â that is almost precisely what I'm saying. very few people write addons where it actually matters... ' |
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| 11:45.05 | VIad | oh no bnet has emojis... soon it will invade our game chats too :( |
| 11:49.58 | ls- | I already know which emojis are gonna be the most popular :p |
| 11:50.23 | Gnarfoz | the same ones that are popular globally? |
| 11:50.24 | Andols | VIad: Easy fix in wow, replace the emoji function :p |
| 11:50.40 | ls- | yeah |
| 11:50.42 | Gnarfoz | (wow just shows replacement characters, i.e. ?) |
| 11:50.43 | VIad | I am no emoji person so this to me is just bloat :p |
| 11:50.49 | ls- | eggplant and peach :p |
| 11:51.20 | VIad | maybe unicode fonts for wow in 7.3.5 or 8.x? #hpye |
| 11:51.22 | VIad | #hype* |
| 11:51.34 | Gnarfoz | you mean "shrug" and XD and Heart? |
| 11:52.24 | VIad | :eggplant::eggplant::eggplant::eggplant::eggplant: |
| 11:52.25 | ls- | nah, :eggplant: and :peach: :D |
| 11:52.41 | VIad | need to google why eggplant/peach is a thing |
| 11:52.44 | VIad | damn the 10 year olds |
| 11:53.44 | ls- | lf big :eggplant: dps m+15 low kara |
| 11:54.24 | ls- | also new era of anal spam, but w/ emojis |
| 11:54.35 | Gnarfoz | https://emojipedia.org/ "most popular" :shrug: |
| 11:54.37 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 11:56.07 | ls- | idc, ððftw |
| 11:59.06 | VIad | oh the m+ got me thinking... maybe blizz will make official C_CombatLog API soon? |
| 11:59.31 | VIad | they used details and it wasnt properly showing specs and such, maybe some new API might show up to make it easier for blizz to show m+ info for casting and for us to make addons :d |
| 12:00.40 | VIad | people wanna see casts, combat data, healing numbers, interrupts, CD usage and such |
| 12:06.23 | Gnarfoz | uh |
| 12:06.25 | Gnarfoz | what |
| 12:06.37 | Gnarfoz | that didn't look like Details! at all |
| 12:06.54 | Gnarfoz | and Details! doesn't have issues with display accented characters, last I checked |
| 12:07.43 | Gnarfoz | (their meters showed Démonhunter as "D é monhunter") |
| 12:07.50 | Bluspacecow | TIL Blizzard used XMPPFramework and Fabric.io to build the battle.net chat app. As well as a few other public APIs / tech |
| 12:08.37 | Gnarfoz | also, how were their meters not showing specs correctly? seemed to work fine |
| 12:08.43 | Gnarfoz | also what is "and such"? |
| 12:08.53 | Gnarfoz | no idea what a C_CombatLog API would do |
| 12:09.13 | Bluspacecow | I try not to look at meters. Cause it's always - DPS 1 , DPS 2 , The Tank , Healer then ME |
| 12:09.48 | Gnarfoz | "casts, combat data, healing numbers, interrupts, CD usage" is all already doable right now (and if they actually used existing addons in their spectator UI, then they'd have plenty of options to choose from) |
| 12:10.10 | Gnarfoz | Bluspacecow:Â except when it's The Tank, The Healer, DPS, DPS, DPS |
| 12:10.28 | Gnarfoz | (as happens in M+, particularly at the MDI ^^) |
| 12:10.54 | VIad | I just saw one run 2 resto druids but one was actually balance on the meter and it looked to me like detailsd :d |
| 12:10.54 | Gnarfoz | (and if you're last in DPS, as a DPS, maybe you should look at meters more often. :D) |
| 12:11.18 | Gnarfoz | if you saw a group with 2 resto druids, you should check your eyesight? :P |
| 12:11.27 | VIad | but yeah I dunno, just inspecting talents always been like fiddly/slow and in m+ talents lock so maybe when m+ starts you could have quicker inspect related API |
| 12:11.39 | Gnarfoz | when M+ starts, you get ENCOUNTER_INFO |
| 12:11.48 | Gnarfoz | which has all the info |
| 12:11.49 | VIad | the meter icon showed resto but he wasn't and I know no one ran 2 resto druids :d |
| 12:12.11 | Gnarfoz | it showed whatever form the druid was in at the time, AFAIK |
| 12:12.23 | Gnarfoz | just check the team with Hippo in it or what his name is |
| 12:12.27 | Gnarfoz | the feral druid |
| 12:22.23 | Gnarfoz | https://www.twitch.tv/videos/177189277?t=05h55m36s |
| 12:22.33 | Gnarfoz | you can see it in action there (different team than I thought, but 3 druids) |
| 12:23.04 | Gnarfoz | seems to check every X seconds and updates, when the resto goes into cat form to dps, it switches (and back, and forth, etc) |
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| 12:47.41 | alestane | Okay, since when has C++ allowed multiple statements in if and while conditions? |
| 12:48.08 | nevcairiel | with the comma operator? no clue, ever? |
| 12:48.52 | alestane | No, with semi-colons. |
| 12:49.11 | alestane | while (string input; getline(cin, input) && input != "") is apparently legal. |
| 12:49.42 | alestane | Okay, looks like it's a C++17 thing. |
| 12:49.52 | alestane | I feel less bad about being ignorant of it then. |
| 12:51.36 | alestane | The comma operator I knew about. |
| 12:52.41 | nevcairiel | this seems useful tho, happens often enough that you would split this into two lines to declare the variable above hte loop |
| 12:56.52 | alestane | It is a handy construct, Go offers it too. |
| 12:57.13 | alestane | But I probably won't start teaching with it any time soon, if it's that recent an addition. |
| 12:57.49 | alestane | Automatically restricts the variable's scope to the loop or conditional bodies too. |
| 13:05.03 | nevcairiel | i would've expected that |
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| 13:27.42 | ls- | alestane: tbf, if I were you I'd at least mention it and c++17 in general. this summer we had quite many interns who weren't aware of c++14, which is quite shocking, they simply weren't taught it or even told about it |
| 13:28.32 | ls- | raise awareness among future c++ devs, pls |
| 13:28.38 | alestane | ls-, I am making the effort to update them, although sometimes that requires that I update myself first. |
| 13:29.40 | alestane | I make a point of describing emergent features when appropriate. However, most of my students are beginners, and are not at the level yet where the advantages of these features are perceptible. |
| 13:30.23 | ls- | ty for trying though :p |
| 13:31.20 | alestane | In my second-year course, I do start covering C++14 features; closures, constexpr and auto. |
| 13:31.53 | alestane | That's about the point where they both have the foundation to use them and are approaching the sorts of problems where they become useful. |
| 13:32.25 | alestane | First-year students get ranged-based for loops, mostly. |
| 13:32.50 | alestane | Second- and third-year students also start getting exposure to rvalue references. |
| 13:33.00 | alestane | Now that I'm finally getting the hang of them myself. |
| 13:33.18 | ls- | yeah, that's what I meant, people should at least know that this stuff is out there and those of them who're interested in becoming c++ programmers will learn about it themselves :D |
| 13:34.01 | ls- | but this summer guys were like, "c++ what? 14? o_O" |
| 13:34.37 | ls- | ofc few of them knew about it and 17 too, but they're srsly into it |
| 13:41.55 | alestane | A lot of the 17 stuff seems inspired by the changers going on in newer languages; tuple decomposition, inline control declarators, etc. |
| 13:42.50 | alestane | When I started learning Go, one of the comments from the creators was that a lot of programming in older languages had started to feel like the programmer having an argument with the compiler. |
| 13:43.29 | ls- | yeah, c++ was stale for quite a long time |
| 13:44.07 | nevcairiel | as long as someone knows c++11 all is good anyway, that was the big push, 14 and 17 are only bolted on random features |
| 13:45.29 | nevcairiel | at work we've been slowly upgrading all build environments on all platforms we support to compilers with c++11 support (and beyond), it should finally be ready to be used |
| 13:48.13 | ls- | well, yeah, knowing c++11 is essential now, but being aware of 14/17th features is quite good, esp if your environments at work support these standards, 14/17 refine a lot of things that were added in 11 |
| 13:50.37 | ls- | we already use 17th features, be I work in rnd, so that's to be expected >_> our lead is hyping c++20 now, there's only drafts, but he already has raging boner for new toys, lel |
| 13:51.23 | Thunder_Child | alestane: Do you teach Go as well? |
| 13:51.34 | ls- | at least he's enthusiastic, worked under leads who couldn't care less about new/updated stuff, that's pathetic T_T |
| 14:13.35 | alestane | Thunder_Child, not currently. I teach programming in a game development curriculum, and we haven't found much use for it. I wouldn't mind doing an advanced topics class on alternative languages though. |
| 14:15.19 | alestane | The only times I've heard people talk about using Go for games was to run a back-end. |
| 14:15.58 | Thunder_Child | alestane: Might work as a game launcher. |
| 14:16.13 | Thunder_Child | Yea, all of my Go is web back-ends. |
| 14:17.57 | alestane | My students get mostly C++ and C#, for Unity. |
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| 14:50.36 | alestane | Some of my students have developed the habit, which I do not teach, of using forward declarations so that they can put their other function definitions after main. Do other people have opinions about this? |
| 14:55.15 | nevcairiel | i usually dont see the point |
| 14:56.43 | nevcairiel | i would do it if it helps readability for some reason, but not just to have main on top |
| 14:56.48 | Thunder_Child | That's how I was tought in the CS50 class I took at the begining of the year. |
| 14:57.00 | Thunder_Child | taught* |
| 14:57.12 | nevcairiel | as long as main isnt somewhere in the middle of the file |
| 14:57.12 | Thunder_Child | beginning* |
| 14:57.17 | nevcairiel | on top or bottom would be fine with me |
| 14:57.55 | nevcairiel | although personally I would probably go with main on the bottom without forward decls |
| 14:58.12 | nevcairiel | function order goes a bit out the window when you switch to actual C++ anyway, with classes and whatnot |
| 14:58.58 | nevcairiel | you start ordering things for entirely different reasons then just call dependency order |
| 15:04.17 | VIad | didn't blizz add cvars to toggle friendly nameplates healthbars and such? |
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| 15:35.32 | znf | "Is sombra heal?" asks my teammate before switching to Sombra |
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| 16:02.34 | VIad | :d |
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| 16:13.56 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/NkFaslx.png |
| 16:13.59 | znf | this is retarded |
| 16:14.14 | znf | I had 2 games in a row that a player has left and it was cancelled |
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| 16:14.27 | znf | (I had already had 2 loses and 1 win) |
| 16:14.33 | znf | so now it demoted me because 2 games cancelled |
| 16:14.33 | znf | lol |
| 16:15.05 | Thunder_Child | I don't think you are using 'lol' correctly. |
| 16:15.32 | Sharparam | lots of love |
| 16:15.48 | znf | Thunder_Child, it's so bad that I'm laughing |
| 16:15.52 | znf | you understand? |
| 16:15.52 | VIad | why are you being punished for someone elses leaving? |
| 16:15.55 | VIad | doesn't make sense |
| 16:16.05 | VIad | I expect that if YOU kept leaving :p |
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| 16:16.39 | Sharparam | to teach you not to play with those people, obviously |
| 16:18.09 | znf | VIad, yup |
| 16:20.46 | znf | the punishment is that if you play 5 games under your bracket's SR |
| 16:21.14 | znf | but apparently getting 2 games cancelled count as "played" |
| 16:24.59 | VIad | thats very uncool tbh |
| 16:25.04 | VIad | didnt think blizz would do it like that |
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| 17:59.51 | Stanzilla | 19:26:26 â nevcairiel: on top or bottom would be fine with me |
| 17:59.57 | Stanzilla | TIL |
| 18:03.17 | Simca_ | Mr_Rabies: speaking of H KJ, we had a hilarious bug on him yesterday |
| 18:03.43 | Simca_ | one of the felguards that Illidan mock battles on the stairs teleported into the middle of the fight |
| 18:04.00 | nevcairiel | mock no longer |
| 18:05.04 | Simca_ | yeah, it teleported straight to the middle of the room (prob cause no path available) and slew about 3 melee with 1shots before tanks got it |
| 18:05.10 | Simca_ | so ded attempt |
| 18:05.22 | Simca_ | after the fact, we traced how it got pulled to Terror From Below |
| 18:05.33 | Simca_ | the greatest troll trinket in WoW |
| 18:05.59 | Simca_ | KJ was flying around and I think the Terror From Below procs follow him; it must have hit exactly when his hitbox was over the adds |
| 18:06.02 | Simca_ | and splashed on them |
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| 19:43.10 | foxlit | can you force-show nearby friendly NPC nameplates? |
| 19:49.14 | foxlit | ^ 'nameplateShowFriendlyNPCs is read only or secure.', so it has to be changed through wtf. |
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| 21:23.57 | Primer | I updated Opera today. Before today, if I left a tab parked on wowhead.com, it'd crash the tab. Today, it crashes the entire browser. |
| 21:28.12 | schlumpf | It is art. It is called "the web, 2017". |
| 21:42.38 | Industrial | http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/7252209/35d4be74/zo_irriteer_je_je_moeder.html |
| 21:42.39 | Industrial | :') |
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| 22:15.21 | TheDanW | foxlit: it can also be set via SetCVar outside of combat |
| 22:15.45 | foxlit | TheDanW: /console failed to touch it, didn't set SetCVar. |
| 22:15.51 | foxlit | wasn't in combat. |
| 22:15.56 | TheDanW | yeah, console won't work |
| 22:16.07 | TheDanW | has to be the function |
| 22:16.09 | foxlit | s/set/try/ |
| 22:23.31 | Simca_ | oh, /console can't touch combat-restricted functions? makes sense i guess |
| 22:25.50 | schlumpf | TIL |
| 22:26.22 | schlumpf | Is that really desired behaviour though? |
| 22:27.11 | foxlit | seems more like who-uses-/console-anyway behaviour. |
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| 23:41.26 | Gnarfoz | considering the far easier syntax, almost everyone |
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