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| 00:11.07 | nebula | what do you mean? it handles mentions, expanding that to custom words doesn't seem like a big stretch |
| 00:12.00 | Funkeh` | irc notifications are handled by the client, discord notifications are handled by the server |
| 00:17.32 | nebula | what? you're saying the server doesn't push messages unless requested? that seems...awkward |
| 00:19.54 | nebula | the server handles push notifications for mobile and shit, sure, but the client should work just like an irc client and be able to parse messages as they happen |
| 00:19.55 | Thunder_Child | But that means you either have the server store the flagged notifications or rewrite the client. |
| 00:20.21 | Thunder_Child | or rather, add to the client. |
| 00:26.06 | Funkeh` | "i don't think" it's an assumption based on the way it seems to behave when swapping to a tab that seems to be sleeping |
| 00:26.34 | nebula | just because it renders like that doesn't mean it's received like that |
| 00:28.47 | Funkeh` | if that was the case it would be a pretty simple addition |
| 00:29.11 | Funkeh` | however, having to upload a list of you keywords to the server, not so much |
| 00:33.52 | nebula | wonder why no one has made a third-party client, api seems robust enought to make that possible |
| 00:35.02 | Ammako | i dont think demand for 3rd party desktop discord client would be high enough to justify the time spent on it |
| 00:36.03 | Funkeh` | rofl https://torrentfreak.com/narcos-cali-cartel-threatens-to-kill-illegal-downloaders-170912/ |
| 00:36.23 | nebula | there are frameworks for bots, just slap a gui on it and call it done |
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| 11:18.54 | Infus | TheDanW: NaN handling in 64bit is wrong. 0/0 == 0/0 returns false in 32bit, but true in 64bit |
| 11:19.15 | Infus | TheDanW: and 0/0 == 0.5 => false in 32bit, true in 64bit |
| 11:26.43 | foxlit | you keep that up and they'll make 0/0 throw errors again, Infus. |
| 11:32.09 | foxlit | For whatever reason, the way 64-bit bit client handles nan has always beeen amusingly non-standard; now it just seems insane. |
| 11:32.31 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.07 | Infus | oh, that's a awesome example |
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| 11:43.36 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/GOkuXrt.png |
| 11:43.36 | znf | lol |
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| 12:49.19 | znf | this week's quest/progress is delicious as Shadow |
| 12:49.25 | znf | <3 Xal'atath |
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| 14:56.31 | znf | TheDanW, comparing relics (shift+mouseover) drops the clients FPS from ~100 to ~80 and makes the camera stutter; tried with addons and with the default UI |
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| 17:24.38 | TheDanW | Infus: not sure why that would be :/ kind of want to start with a clean VM again; just don't want to re-implement taint |
| 17:26.36 | Infus | well, NaN are tricky to handle |
| 17:26.47 | TheDanW | znf: not ideal, but somewhat expected, tooltips are amongst the most expensive thing the UI does; some improvements are coming later - anchors will be considerably faster in general, especially in the case of anchor chains |
| 17:28.20 | znf | Semlar will be happy |
| 17:37.41 | Stanzilla | does taint need to exist? |
| 17:38.21 | TheDanW | i'd love to say no, but as addons in classic proved, we probably do need something like it |
| 17:39.10 | znf | can't it just not break everything around? |
| 17:39.28 | znf | I mean, is there no better way to implement restrictions? |
| 17:40.53 | TheDanW | it's complicated, when i worked on ESO i built a system that didn't allow taint to spread; however, it required more discipline to make sure an addon couldn't intercept or redirect secure calls |
| 17:41.39 | TheDanW | the taint system in wow lets us do whatever we want an addons have to deal with the fallout ;p maybe there's a middle ground |
| 17:41.49 | TheDanW | and* |
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| 17:46.12 | Ammako | can "Interface action failed because of an AddOn" message be made a bit more detailed in-game? |
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| 17:55.03 | TheDanW | probably not, most players couldn't care less and as we know the taint source isn't always "correct", it's what taint log is for |
| 17:55.56 | Ammako | so the info in taint.log is correct? |
| 17:58.02 | TheDanW | as near as it can be given the way taint works |
| 17:58.31 | Ammako | yeah so i guess having the in-game message be vague is probably better for everyone lol |
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| 18:00.16 | Ammako | people already send bug reports to the wrong addons just because UI says that addon blocked an action even though it's not that addon's fault |
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| 18:35.41 | foxlit | Ammako: I'm always disappointingly short on examples of it being the "wrong" addons being blamed for things. |
| 18:35.59 | Ammako | reminds me of the omnicc thing in here just like... yesterday |
| 18:36.35 | foxlit | but there's no reason to think that was wrong? |
| 18:36.47 | Ammako | not saying that was wrong |
| 18:37.49 | Ammako | but any time UI blames an addon people wont be able to agree on whether or not it really came from that addon |
| 18:38.00 | foxlit | I mean, people like to say "No way that's my addon, it doesn't touch anything near that api call!", but that's just an unfortunate lack of understanding that taint can spread and a missing willingness to investigate. |
| 18:41.51 | foxlit | ("It blamed X, I disabled X, it now blames Y, so it clearly wasn't X!" is also a common thing, but what it probably means is that it's both X and Y.) |
| 18:44.09 | foxlit | ("I have X and it works fine for me, so it can't be X!" is also meaningless, as those reports seldom have any reliable steps to reproduce the error, and there's a decent chance that they simply didn't run into the exact sequence of events required for disaster to occur) |
| 18:44.26 | Ammako | best we can do is educate people on the matter, but unfortunately people love to pretend they know better when someone tries to correct them |
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| 18:46.36 | foxlit | Even just collecting those reports in a systematic way would be helpful, I think. |
| 18:51.13 | foxlit | (vs just dismissing people with the equivalent of "taint is a lie, blizzard sucks!") |
| 18:52.31 | Ammako | I see people report that kind of taint-caused lua error as bug report to blizzard on their forums lol |
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| 18:53.30 | Ressy | I got tired of the taint blame.. ARL would get it all the time.. PVP or user frames.. |
| 18:59.00 | foxlit | the slightly more serious answer to those issues is "fuck that, I'm not re-implementing dropdowns and the InterfaceOptions container because Blizzard can't get their act together," which is at least honest in terms of acknowleding that an issue exists. |
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| 19:48.32 | semlarcane | where is my power neffi |
| 19:48.57 | Thunder_Child | At your home, or your grandmothers? |
| 19:49.33 | semlarcane | my house |
| 19:50.13 | semlarcane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.55 | Thunder_Child | There is your answer. |
| 19:51.22 | semlarcane | this only explains where it isn't |
| 19:51.52 | semlarcane | i want to know where my power is |
| 19:51.55 | bshelden | I'm hoarding it. |
| 19:52.04 | semlarcane | give it back |
| 19:52.25 | bshelden | Never! |
| 19:52.37 | bshelden | You'll have to wait for them to give you new power. I'm keeping this stuff. |
| 19:52.56 | Thunder_Child | That map is poorly designed. |
| 19:53.01 | semlarcane | i should probably go home and throw everything out of the refrigerator before it molds |
| 19:53.11 | bshelden | Not a terrible idea |
| 19:53.26 | bshelden | I have a friend currently hiding in TN. Hopefully you all get power soon. |
| 19:53.26 | Thunder_Child | Or eat it. |
| 19:53.48 | semlarcane | i think we're far past the point of eating anything |
| 19:54.03 | bshelden | Did your place weather things alright? |
| 19:54.26 | Ammako | your power is everywhere outside of the marked areas |
| 19:55.04 | semlarcane | i think a large branch fell on the house but i haven't actually been there to assess the damage |
| 19:55.10 | bshelden | mmm |
| 19:55.20 | bshelden | Hopfeully nothing structural then. Bad news all around, obviously. |
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| 22:51.33 | Kraps | hi |
| 22:53.13 | Ammako | hello |
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