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| 00:22.48 | Simca | damn, i could have helped Yoshimo |
| 00:22.56 | Simca | too bad he left |
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| 01:33.07 | Thunder_Child | Hooks I assume. |
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| 05:08.50 | Fisker | hug hugs Cairenn |
| 05:09.43 | Cairenn | hugs Fisker |
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| 05:15.00 | netameta_ | VARIABLES_LOADED doesnt seem to work |
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| 07:59.18 | Shockah|Work | New Affix: Quaking (level 7) - Periodically, players will Quake, inflicting damage of 20% of the playerâs maximum health and interrupting spell casts of themselves and nearby allies. |
| 07:59.28 | Shockah|Work | seems like no one will bring any ranged dps on Quaking weeks... |
| 07:59.59 | Shockah|Work | unless they actually stay at range, eh |
| 08:01.11 | nevcairiel | having only melees doesnt sound that appealing if they just explode when the quake procs =p |
| 08:02.36 | nevcairiel | presumably you get a second to react to the quake coming so you can stop casting and avoid being locked |
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| 08:32.07 | znf | <Shockah|Work> New Affix: Quaking (level 7) - Periodically, players will Quake, inflicting damage of 20% of the playerâs maximum health and interrupting spell casts of themselves and nearby allies. |
| 08:32.09 | znf | that's cancer |
| 08:32.14 | znf | I get having to move |
| 08:32.20 | znf | but having interrupting spellcasting? |
| 08:32.24 | znf | fuck you :-| |
| 08:32.29 | Shockah|Work | that's my main concern yeah |
| 08:33.19 | Shockah|Work | that's PTR though |
| 08:34.30 | VIad | btw new 4/7/10 affixes: Interrupting (hostiles frequently interrupt players) / Quaking (as described by znf) / Silencing (hostiles have a silence aura that requires movement to cancel) |
| 08:34.37 | VIad | wtb* |
| 08:35.53 | VIad | what about an affix where using interrupt mechanics on something that is not casting something you can interrupt, to give the mob a 100% attack and cast speed buff for theduration of the interrupt? |
| 08:36.56 | nevcairiel | thats rather irrelevant on a majority of mobs, so kinda silly |
| 08:37.25 | Shockah|Work | irrelevant? |
| 08:37.35 | Shockah|Work | what if 2 people try to interrupt |
| 08:37.36 | Shockah|Work | :S |
| 08:37.45 | nevcairiel | what if a mob never casts anything |
| 08:37.48 | nevcairiel | like the majority of them do |
| 08:37.53 | nevcairiel | suddenly, noone cares |
| 08:38.09 | Shockah|Work | "majority"? are we even playing the same game? |
| 08:38.59 | VIad | you'd apply the beneficial buff to anything not being properly interrupted, i.e. interrupt misses or missclicks :D |
| 08:39.28 | nevcairiel | its practically impossible to kick everything |
| 08:39.39 | nevcairiel | consider those caster guys in darkheart that do nothing but cast |
| 08:39.49 | Shockah|Work | VIad, also make it stack and work on bosses |
| 08:40.00 | Shockah|Work | Maw of Souls without coordinated interrupts... |
| 08:40.04 | Shockah|Work | (Helya) |
| 08:40.05 | Shockah|Work | :S |
| 08:40.08 | VIad | the idea was if players use interrupt mechanics uncordinated and punish |
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| 08:40.19 | nevcairiel | if you mess up interrupts on helya, its arleady quite painful |
| 08:40.21 | VIad | any kick on something not doing something kickable in the first place :D |
| 08:40.31 | nevcairiel | spells worth interrupting should be punishing on their own if they dont get interrupted |
| 08:40.39 | Shockah|Work | nevcairiel, i'm just thinking how funny it would be if all 5 people tried interrupting |
| 08:40.51 | VIad | 500% attack speed for 15 sec :D |
| 08:40.54 | nevcairiel | then your group sucks |
| 08:41.04 | nevcairiel | because there is a follow up cast at least one of those would need to kick |
| 08:41.15 | Shockah|Work | VIad, attack speed and cast speed as you said |
| 08:41.36 | nevcairiel | also my lockout is 4 seconds |
| 08:41.40 | nevcairiel | when i kick someone |
| 08:41.46 | Shockah|Work | yeah i'm not sure where you got the 15 sec |
| 08:41.50 | Shockah|Work | unless you want the time to stack |
| 08:41.56 | VIad | would be amazing right? |
| 08:41.58 | VIad | stacking :d |
| 08:42.02 | Shockah|Work | i only meant stacking the speed |
| 08:43.26 | VIad | tbh stacking speed would be too cruel :( |
| 08:43.31 | VIad | like one mishap and you die in +15 |
| 08:43.38 | VIad | because boss oneshot tank in 2 sec |
| 08:44.57 | VIad | what about a interrupt A.D.D. where the mobs and bosses, if interrupted by multiple people, require them to be interrupted in the same order until dead |
| 08:45.20 | VIad | like if I interrupt, then someone else does it too, I need to be next, then that person again, then me/someone else, then we need to keep that chain going, same order :p |
| 08:45.22 | nevcairiel | impossible to track on the fly without addon help |
| 08:45.35 | VIad | only way to add new people is to append at the end before the loop |
| 08:45.48 | VIad | with 4 interrupts in a group (healers dont have any) shouldnt be that hard :p |
| 08:45.58 | VIad | most even have macroed /s in their interrupt |
| 08:46.07 | VIad | coordinations yo |
| 08:46.34 | VIad | failing that rotation gives the group +10 sec CD On their interrupts :D |
| 08:46.50 | znf | meh, more reasons to NOT do mythic+ |
| 08:46.56 | VIad | isnt that the point of affixes? |
| 08:47.04 | VIad | to discourage people from doing m+ |
| 08:47.41 | nevcairiel | would be rather boring if it was just flat increases until the end |
| 08:48.05 | nevcairiel | some affixes are more cancer then others, but overall it keeps it fun to approach thigns differently every week |
| 08:48.07 | VIad | tbh I hope they look into the alt-unfriendly ness with the AP grind for 7.2 and legendary swap out or something system |
| 08:48.33 | VIad | considering the more legendaries you have, the less chance for next, a lot of people feel they need to reroll their class just to get the first 3 legendaries quicker and hope its bis dmg once |
| 08:48.34 | nevcairiel | you get instant AK20 right now, you can get your alt to 35 in like a couple days |
| 08:48.37 | nevcairiel | hardly unfriendly |
| 08:48.51 | VIad | 7.2 comes around with AK40 and millions more AP to farm on each alt |
| 08:49.07 | Shockah|Work | oh noes |
| 08:49.11 | nevcairiel | and there will be AK catch up again =p |
| 08:49.11 | Shockah|Work | go come up with a better system |
| 08:49.17 | VIad | unlike before where gear was the only RNG factor, now its legendaries and AP too |
| 08:50.04 | VIad | one of our mages got support legendaries and wants to reroll if he cant trade in for dmg legends because our fire mage with the legends actually does fine, but the other one is severely behind on meters |
| 08:50.28 | nevcairiel | one of our moonkins keeps using that excuse, but i have it on good authority that he is just a baddy |
| 08:50.32 | VIad | makes you enjoy your class less when doing progress raiding if you see you arent helping out enough |
| 08:50.51 | VIad | no they have looked in the logs and seen rotations, cast amounts and such |
| 08:51.20 | VIad | believes its heavily because the legendary is a large jump on dmg, sims also suggest that when simming those |
| 08:51.29 | znf | I'm more pissed about the relic system tbh |
| 08:51.38 | VIad | thats just part of loot RNG though |
| 08:52.01 | VIad | I'm also pissed about tank trinkets and having only really weird and bad once :p |
| 08:52.41 | znf | yes and no |
| 08:52.49 | znf | before: wait for 1 weapon drop |
| 08:52.59 | znf | now: 3 "relics" that increase my weapon ilvl |
| 08:53.24 | znf | I've been at the same ilvl weapon since 1st week of heroic emerald nightmare :D |
| 08:53.42 | nevcairiel | maybe you just suck |
| 08:53.59 | nevcairiel | much more bosses drop a potential weapon upgrade now then before |
| 08:54.06 | nevcairiel | so the chances of getting one are also higher |
| 08:54.16 | znf | I haven't gotten a 865+ one in ages |
| 08:54.27 | znf | the last one I think I got from LFR Nighthold |
| 08:54.31 | znf | or a mythic dungeon |
| 08:54.43 | znf | but it was the same ilvl as the ones I got from EN HC |
| 08:54.51 | nevcairiel | i have two from heroic nighthold, but only use one because i have m+ ones in the other slots |
| 08:55.33 | nevcairiel | would love a 900 from the weekly cache |
| 08:55.36 | nevcairiel | but no such luck =p |
| 08:55.42 | VIad | I got a 920 relic that is bis from krosus, I was happy |
| 08:55.48 | VIad | heroic titanforged |
| 08:58.12 | VIad | looking at dps with and without legendaries adds/removes like 100k from their baseline numbers, it's insane |
| 08:58.37 | VIad | and you can be unlucky and not get any of the good once, and each one you get your chance is lowered and so on |
| 08:59.02 | VIad | not to mention if you have a class with more than dmg specs, doesnt mater, already used up your "free" legendary drops |
| 08:59.26 | ls- | they don't boost dps by that much :p |
| 09:00.19 | ls- | as I said earlier, iirc, the best wombocombo of legendaries for some classes boosts dps by ~12% or so... |
| 09:00.47 | nevcairiel | dont compare no leggys to 2 leggys, there is a lso a huge ilvl boost in there |
| 09:01.07 | VIad | some leggys give like 3-4k primary stat, for mage at least, int |
| 09:01.17 | VIad | the epic items for those slots are like 2k max |
| 09:01.20 | ls- | nevcairiel: tell VIad about that :p |
| 09:01.45 | VIad | prim stat plays a huge role these days, upping the baseline |
| 09:02.07 | VIad | on a happy note |
| 09:02.16 | nevcairiel | even prydaz is extremely good for many DPS classes because of all the stats on it |
| 09:02.18 | VIad | I got my 4p recently and swapped some of my talents for a more dps tank style |
| 09:02.25 | VIad | so I can dps more when offtanking :p |
| 09:03.34 | ls- | VIad: are you comparing ilvl820 to ilvl940 gear or what? :D |
| 09:03.39 | VIad | kek, no |
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| 09:05.46 | VIad | seems mage with waist gets to execute better when mobs are at lower health than mages without |
| 09:05.56 | VIad | creating a huge dps diff between our two mages |
| 09:09.31 | VIad | they look even, both have about same gear only diff legends, but towards end of fight you see the execute legendary equipped does a lot better :p |
| 09:09.58 | VIad | imagine using the wrists for pyro and the waist for scorch, that must be insane |
| 09:10.57 | nevcairiel | the scorch thing isnt that strong, unless you have a special boss thats like in execute range the entire fight, like EoA final boss |
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| 09:13.34 | VIad | there is a visible diff on the comparison graph, I'd say it matters. nothing like 2x the damage but enough. like just execute phase adds a bunch more pyros to the mage with scorch legend, and if he also had the wrists that buff pyro the diff would just be even higher |
| 09:16.11 | nevcairiel | whatever buff the waist gives is only for 30% of the fight, so even at 100% extra (ie. 2x) it would only be 30% more dps, and its definitely much less then 100% extra |
| 09:18.21 | VIad | I still think it matters to people, otherwise the mage wouldnt be complaining :p |
| 09:19.12 | VIad | I personally feel as long boss dies whatev, but many tie in their feeling usefull with their performance and most heavily look at dmg numbers and their peers and compare |
| 09:19.43 | VIad | doesnt exactly help having legendaries further modify numbers >_> |
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| 09:20.08 | nevcairiel | people would complain if they were 1% behind |
| 09:20.13 | VIad | loot rng alone with AP grind is enough variation between people, having legendaries on top that are very rare ,_, |
| 09:20.34 | VIad | I won't argue against perhaps changing mindset is the healthier way to go :p |
| 09:21.22 | nevcairiel | having access to practically all legendaries would take any meaning out of the system as there is always a BiS you just use |
| 09:21.23 | VIad | but what the f to do if guild master starts to emo? I look at loggs, I see some fights some diff yes, some very equal, I cant really see his "pain" either :P |
| 09:21.44 | VIad | could make it so you trade in 1 legend + 10 curios coins for a new random legend? |
| 09:22.13 | nevcairiel | blizzard wants to do something, we'll see what comes of it |
| 09:22.15 | VIad | and what about those that wanna have 2 specs active, maybe some legends on the other spec? |
| 09:22.24 | VIad | yeah |
| 09:22.25 | ls- | VIad: http://www.darklegacycomics.com/558, miji is your mage |
| 09:22.57 | netameta_ | How do you disable UIDropDownMenu |
| 09:23.08 | VIad | wat, netameta_? |
| 09:23.28 | netameta_ | Normal button you do button:Disabled) |
| 09:23.53 | VIad | first, I'd stay away from UIDropDownMenu |
| 09:23.55 | netameta_ | that however doesnt work with UIDropDownMenu |
| 09:24.09 | netameta_ | VIad, Why ? |
| 09:24.15 | ls- | taiiiiiiiints |
| 09:24.33 | VIad | second, that system uses a button to trigger the menu to appear, if you wanna disable the button and hide menu, you would have to disable button, but also hide the menu from visibility if it was already open |
| 09:24.58 | VIad | if you disable button but the click still fires then you probably hooked the script to show it to some other event and enabled those events to fire on disabled buttons :d |
| 09:26.02 | VIad | and yes taint is the first reason |
| 09:26.28 | netameta_ | what does taint means ? |
| 09:26.44 | netameta_ | VIad, I dont do anything special to the dropdown http://pastebin.com/FqcBTYSC |
| 09:27.22 | netameta_ | just just wont cancel, i think i will just put a shadow frame overit to disable it |
| 09:27.23 | VIad | using blizzards code in your code, sometimes their code isnt designed to be used by others except their own code, so it taints and breaks, worst case, breaks blizzards other things using that template |
| 09:28.04 | VIad | uidropdown template specifically is coded to work with blizz only, if you use it yourself in addons users will start to experience other things stop from working :p |
| 09:28.19 | netameta_ | Ah so UIdropDownMenu is not meant to be used ? |
| 09:28.33 | VIad | strickly speaking none of blizzards templates are made for us to use |
| 09:28.42 | VIad | it just happens to be that we can use most of them without breaking anything :p |
| 09:29.00 | netameta_ | I see |
| 09:29.05 | VIad | except the secure templates they made specifically for addons, and the uidropdown that just is old, outdated, and coded to easily taint and break stuff |
| 09:29.07 | netameta_ | What alternative do i have ? |
| 09:29.18 | VIad | libraries out there provide the functionality |
| 09:29.44 | VIad | you even have a clone of uidropdown lib that lets you use same function calls as blizz uidropdown :p |
| 09:30.10 | VIad | like http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info22630-NoTaintUIDropDownMenu.html |
| 09:30.27 | VIad | its a copy paste of blizz code with a prefix :P |
| 09:31.00 | ls- | I dunno why but I dislike that lib T_T |
| 09:31.15 | ls- | wish someone wrote a proper DD lib :p |
| 09:31.28 | VIad | I just suggested it, seing netameta_ is new at this and already uses blizz uidropdown :p |
| 09:31.37 | VIad | I bet Ace has some dropdown lib |
| 09:31.50 | VIad | only downside is aceoptions lib stuff are huge if you only need one specific thing |
| 09:32.45 | VIad | also fun bugs https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5uigzp/elisande_cheats/ |
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| 09:33.48 | netameta_ | VIad, Actually i love this ALOT |
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| 09:36.00 | netameta_ | well still wont fix the disabled issue though hmmm |
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| 09:43.50 | VIad | well |
| 09:43.59 | VIad | I only see a OnShow |
| 09:44.04 | VIad | disabling button doesnt disable OnShow :P |
| 09:44.11 | VIad | what you want is a OnClick to show the dropdown menu |
| 09:44.34 | VIad | disabling only disables the OnClick and similar scripts that are called when user clicks with their mouse on button |
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| 09:58.59 | netameta_ | i see |
| 09:59.08 | netameta_ | well i will continue looking for options |
| 10:08.42 | netameta_ | Ah.. so dropdownmenuNameButton is the one i need to disable |
| 10:17.41 | VIad | oh you mean like that >_> |
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| 10:18.22 | VIad | to disable a dropdown option you'd have to define it on the Lib_UIDropDownMenu_CreateInfo() table |
| 10:19.20 | VIad | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/UIDropDownMenu.lua#151 |
| 10:19.25 | VIad | do you even read docs bro? |
| 10:19.39 | VIad | info.disabled = true will disable the option |
| 10:19.52 | VIad | if menu is showing you have to re-show it to apply the change ofc |
| 10:33.52 | VIad | netameta_: ^ |
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| 13:08.58 | ls- | The most common issue w/ my ls: Toasts is people trying to use /ISTOASTS instead of /LSTOASTS command T_T |
| 13:10.07 | znf | puts avocado on ls-'s toast |
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| 13:13.31 | ls- | do they read my nick on curse as Iightspark? eye-eye-t-spark... T_T |
| 13:20.21 | VIad | ls-: it's hard to see difference between l and I in many fonts :p |
| 13:20.32 | VIad | mine it's literally the same, maybe a pixel off |
| 13:21.21 | ls- | "Use /LSTOASTS (el ess toasts) command to open config panel" It's literally written in caps w/ pronunciation in parenthesis. |
| 13:22.08 | VIad | or do like suggested, inject the header, make the click inject the UI options when user clicks the header in addon options frame xd |
| 13:23.19 | ls- | why would I want to do that? |
| 13:23.28 | VIad | to drop the / :P |
| 13:23.50 | ls- | how about no? compact raid frame taint can eat my dick, mate |
| 13:24.18 | VIad | topkek |
| 13:25.43 | ls- | I always run my test addon that simply creates an empty config entry w/ nothing inside, it occasionally taints compact raid frames :p |
| 13:28.00 | VIad | thats why I use grid |
| 13:28.11 | VIad | because something I used ended up tainting that motherfucker |
| 13:28.27 | VIad | I really like the default raid frames, but can't use if tainted: p |
| 13:28.37 | VIad | dont wanna drop my pitbull or whatever else that might be to blame :< |
| 13:28.48 | ls- | I use default raid frames, so I get rid of everything that can taint them :p |
| 13:29.36 | VIad | :d |
| 13:29.46 | VIad | technically my addon options has like 20 addons on there |
| 13:29.55 | VIad | meaning everyone of them probably breaks my CRF :p |
| 13:31.08 | ls- | that taint is so fucking random... |
| 13:32.06 | VIad | it would be a godsent if blizz redid their templates that they use across features to be taint-proof |
| 13:32.09 | ls- | if you use dropdowns it'll 100% taint CRF, but if you don't use them then it's random af... |
| 13:32.17 | VIad | exactly |
| 13:32.56 | VIad | I suspect interface options and dropdown to be the 99% reason for taint |
| 13:33.03 | ls- | :D |
| 13:33.19 | VIad | everything else I use basically uses secure templates like units and such |
| 13:33.28 | VIad | dont see how that would break blizz own code |
| 13:33.47 | VIad | maybe we need a community driven addon checker |
| 13:33.57 | VIad | to help warn "your addon will create problems" kind of things |
| 13:34.03 | VIad | and run all the top 1000 addons through it :p |
| 13:34.11 | VIad | dmg meters, ui addons, nameplates, bags, so on |
| 13:34.23 | VIad | bet many will trigger using drop downs or at least the interface options panel |
| 13:36.50 | ls- | hm, instead of creating an empty entry, I may create a button and place it somewhere on interface options panel :p |
| 13:37.40 | ls- | I'll test it. |
| 13:38.31 | VIad | yeah |
| 13:38.32 | VIad | some do that |
| 13:38.40 | VIad | they just have the entry and clicking it shows a button |
| 13:38.49 | VIad | that opens ace type options ui :D |
| 13:39.07 | ls- | nah, that's not what I'm talking about |
| 13:39.10 | VIad | oh |
| 13:39.21 | ls- | that's exactly what I don't want to do :D |
| 13:39.32 | VIad | I vote for a community made addon options system like blizz did only minus the taint issues :p |
| 13:39.58 | ls- | no entry whatsoever, just a button floating somewhere around options panel |
| 13:40.29 | VIad | classy |
| 13:42.01 | ls- | so basically that button will be a button w/ /LSTOATS macro :p |
| 13:42.10 | ls- | i may even go fullretard and make it secure :p |
| 13:42.26 | ls- | literally a macro button :D |
| 13:43.50 | VIad | do you taint if you ONLY add a header in the interface panel? |
| 13:43.55 | VIad | like just the text on the left side? |
| 13:48.53 | VIad | like? https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/InterfaceOptionsFrame.lua#585 |
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| 13:53.12 | ls- | that's what I was talking about when I mentioned my test addon |
| 13:54.01 | VIad | ew |
| 13:54.43 | ls- | hm. wait... |
| 13:55.00 | ls- | you can add a category w/o a frame? O_o |
| 13:55.09 | ls- | hm... never tried doing so... |
| 13:55.49 | ls- | nah, you can't... I'm just tired T_T |
| 13:55.53 | ls- | misread code |
| 13:57.00 | VIad | wtb passing function ref instead that is called when user clicks the header so it opens external dialog or does whatev, taint-proof style |
| 13:58.07 | nevcairiel | and a function ref c ant taint things? =p |
| 13:58.47 | VIad | :( |
| 13:59.04 | VIad | maybe blizz needs API to use to call functions in such way it doesnt taint |
| 13:59.12 | VIad | or functions that clear taint from the path, I dunno |
| 14:00.56 | nevcairiel | they have that, and use it |
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| 14:09.08 | VIad | then why is ls- whining about taint when just inserting empty frame to the interface addon options panel thingy? |
| 14:09.31 | ls- | cuz it's been this way since forever :p |
| 14:13.37 | VIad | but nevcairiel questions your findings by saying blizz already have that, yet you still experience taint by just <255 char of code injection :P |
| 14:14.01 | nevcairiel | just because the function exists and is used doesnt mena it magically makes any and all taint go away |
| 14:14.03 | ls- | did he? :p |
| 14:14.44 | VIad | no, but would expect the interface system to be more taint durable esp if inserting empty stuff :p |
| 14:14.46 | nevcairiel | the function is called securecall, check for yourself where its used =p |
| 14:15.23 | nevcairiel | it does error handling like pcall and resets the execution taint when returning from the function |
| 14:18.02 | VIad | so why does it break the compact raid frame, as ls- said he tested? :p |
| 14:18.30 | ls- | I said it occasionally breaks... |
| 14:18.40 | nevcairiel | taint is too complex to explain it to someone like yourself |
| 14:18.41 | ls- | at least it gets blamed for tainting :p |
| 14:19.11 | Semlar | if you get blamed for tainting it means you're tainting something somewhere |
| 14:20.00 | Semlar | running your addon through globe should make it relatively easy to identify |
| 14:20.11 | nevcairiel | you would think so |
| 14:20.14 | nevcairiel | but no |
| 14:20.30 | nevcairiel | you can of course avoid calling any outside functions |
| 14:20.36 | nevcairiel | but sometimes you want to call them on purpose =p |
| 14:20.54 | VIad | ls-: said he made one addon that only injects empty panel in addon options and it taints and breaks CRF :p |
| 14:21.13 | Semlar | what is crf |
| 14:21.26 | ls- | he means compact raid frames :p |
| 14:22.02 | Semlar | nobody's raid frames would work if that were the case |
| 14:22.15 | VIad | dont think blizz uses their own templates though |
| 14:22.22 | VIad | that addons use to make their raid frames |
| 14:23.26 | Semlar | i use the default raid frames and never had a problem with them |
| 14:23.52 | ls- | my test "addon" is just a .lua file w/ one couple of lines in it that do "local panel = CreateFrame("Frame", "TEST_PANEL", InterfaceOptionsFramePanelContainer); panel.name = "TESTING_TEST"; InterfaceOptions_AddCategory(panel)" |
| 14:24.09 | ls- | it occasionally gets blamed for combat raid frame taints :p |
| 14:24.16 | ls- | like couple of times a week :p |
| 14:24.24 | Semlar | getting blamed for something does not mean your addon was the source of the taint |
| 14:24.40 | Semlar | only that your addon is tainting SOMEHING in the interface, which adding to the interface options will do |
| 14:24.46 | Semlar | something |
| 14:24.47 | ls- | 9:18:41 PM: ls-: at least it gets blamed for tainting :p |
| 14:26.02 | VIad | if he only uses his addon, nothing else |
| 14:26.15 | VIad | makes no sense to blame other things for the taint that breaks CRF if that happens :p |
| 14:26.19 | Semlar | somehow i doubt that's the only addon he's running |
| 14:26.32 | ls- | that's why I don't add my addons' entries to interface options panel on load, but do so only on demand, even if they don't break anything, I hate being blamed for taints, and users used to report them :p |
| 14:26.41 | ls- | I never said that I run only that addon O_o |
| 14:29.42 | VIad | lol |
| 14:29.53 | VIad | then I don't find your findings valid :p |
| 14:30.09 | VIad | the only real way to see if blizzards code breaks, is to only load your test addon alone :P |
| 14:30.53 | ls- | idk :p |
| 14:30.58 | VIad | then you can definetly add your panel thing and a button to show your UI without breaking anything |
| 14:31.17 | VIad | if you wanna test for real you have to only load your test addon and nothing else, then see if stuff break :p |
| 14:31.21 | ls- | no? |
| 14:31.45 | VIad | taint is blamed on anything, thats not any real evidence or indicator |
| 14:31.50 | VIad | thats the only way to be sure |
| 14:31.56 | VIad | just ask nevcairiel |
| 14:31.56 | ls- | if I add it, it'll eventually get blamed for taint |
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| 14:32.04 | ls- | and users will start reporting that shit |
| 14:32.25 | VIad | well, it was, you used the dropdown remember? :P |
| 14:32.32 | VIad | now that you removed it, you wont be |
| 14:32.53 | VIad | since nevcairiel just said the interface options panel thing wont taint and break with just your code |
| 14:33.02 | VIad | adding header and empty panel with button on it |
| 14:33.12 | ls- | mate. you're confused af... |
| 14:33.31 | nevcairiel | VIad: i never said such a thing, you should visit reading classes :D |
| 14:34.00 | VIad | even you nev, use the panel options |
| 14:35.14 | Semlar | just hook the error and if it blames your addon hide it |
| 14:35.17 | VIad | was maybe fox, anyway, opie too has options category and if it was a problem with taint I bet he wouldnt use it either right? and his addon is probably also blamed for things on others behalf |
| 14:35.28 | VIad | can you hook taintlog logging? :p |
| 14:35.46 | Semlar | you think anyone reporting taint is going through their taint log |
| 14:36.13 | Semlar | they're reporting an error because something popped up in game |
| 14:36.30 | ls- | VIad: it's his choice... I use them too, but I add my settings on demand, even if I added a frame w/ only one button to load the rest of my config, it'll eventually be blamed for tainting something... even if it didn't :p |
| 14:36.41 | Semlar | if you just hide all errors, you'll never have any issues |
| 14:37.59 | ls- | I simply don't want "eventually be blamed for tainting something... even if it didn't" part to happen :p |
| 14:38.03 | ls- | chill |
| 14:38.17 | Semlar | or better yet, replace the name of your addon with another one |
| 14:38.23 | ls- | :D |
| 14:38.47 | Semlar | that's basically what the taint reporter does anyway |
| 14:39.26 | Semlar | then you have a non-zero chance that it'll blame the right one |
| 14:40.20 | Semlar | well, unless your addon actually is breaking something |
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| 14:43.19 | VIad | well thats my point |
| 14:45.02 | VIad | if you dont actually break anything I wouldnt care either |
| 14:45.10 | VIad | taintlog will blame whatever in the end |
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| 15:40.32 | ls- | VIad: http://i.imgur.com/tuOIi2u.png kek |
| 15:52.05 | Poke64 | What is the best source of documentation on the WoW UI and Script API? |
| 15:54.29 | ls- | 1) http://wowprogramming.com/docs; 2) http://wow.gamepedia.com/Widget_API; 3) http://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft_API :p |
| 15:55.38 | Poke64 | ls-, Thanks! |
| 15:55.45 | ls- | <3 |
| 15:57.01 | Poke64 | I'm considering improving my WeakAuras and want to get into custom scripts. I'm a dev by trade but haven't done any LUA scripting. Figure WeakAuras are a good jumping off point. |
| 15:59.27 | VIad | ls-: topkek |
| 15:59.43 | VIad | Poke64: got any experience with coding in general? |
| 16:00.31 | Poke64 | Lots, I'm a software engineer for an AV company. I specialize in the Windows Kernel. |
| 16:01.20 | VIad | foxlit has a mirror of blizzards interface code on his site at https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live |
| 16:01.36 | VIad | you should be covered with the links ls- posted too |
| 16:01.41 | Thunder_Child | Note that it is Lua not LUA. It's a word, not an acronym. |
| 16:01.44 | Semlar | are you ready to accept lua as the One True Language |
| 16:02.00 | Poke64 | Thunder_Child, noted, thanks. |
| 16:02.11 | Poke64 | haha I'm not sure - I'm pretty faithful to C and C++ |
| 16:02.18 | VIad | maybe he yelled lua like "LUA!" |
| 16:02.27 | Poke64 | :P |
| 16:02.50 | ls- | C++ brother!! |
| 16:02.52 | VIad | Poke64: weakaura addon is nice, and powerful. yet, depends what you want it to do :p |
| 16:03.11 | Poke64 | VIad, thanks for the fork of Blizzard's UI - I'm sure that will prove very useful! |
| 16:03.46 | VIad | weakaura dont have much docs on this I believe, but you can access "aura_env" a special table only for that one plugin |
| 16:03.57 | VIad | just a major tip if you plan to customcode :p |
| 16:05.19 | VIad | you can use it to store anything you need for your plugin, I often use it to temp store or function store, often code in a init-bit on the trigger, I mean I havent found better ways to keep the code organized, weakaura as said is awesome yet limiting in some aspects |
| 16:05.54 | VIad | https://github.com/WeakAuras/WeakAuras2/wiki/The-Aura-Environment |
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| 16:14.08 | Poke64 | VIad, thanks for the tip. I took a quick look at it the other day and it wasn't clear to me the order the script triggers are called or if that even matters. TBH I need to spend more time looking into it. |
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| 16:22.32 | znf | I seem to have very shitty luck with the NH caches http://i.imgur.com/V25R5TH.png |
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| 16:59.28 | znf | hate volcanic... |
| 17:00.50 | Thunder_Child | Hate ssl in a docker cluster. A much better use of hatred. |
| 17:01.05 | Semlar | haters gonna hate |
| 17:01.27 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/D7KFXHY.png |
| 17:01.27 | znf | ??! |
| 17:01.49 | Semlar | odyn doesn't leave until you stop attacking him |
| 17:01.58 | Semlar | that's been bugged forever |
| 17:11.19 | znf | Stanzilla, that premade addon filter is nice |
| 17:11.27 | znf | now I get declined 10 times a minute for Mythic+! |
| 17:12.28 | foxlit | If it makes you feel any better, you get like 50 applications for the last dps slot in a party in 30 seconds. |
| 17:12.34 | znf | I know |
| 17:13.20 | Ketho | ls- isn't that the cancel button taint when you add add an options panel https://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=20880 |
| 17:13.23 | Ketho | or something else |
| 17:13.29 | znf | at least I don't spent 30 minutes scrolling |
| 17:14.43 | Ketho | nvm ls is offline :s |
| 17:15.03 | foxlit | Ketho: your homework is to check whethet those repro steps still work |
| 17:15.44 | Ketho | but but I did half a year ago! http://cdn.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53726#8 |
| 17:17.07 | foxlit | that predates 7.0 |
| 17:17.46 | Ketho | just tested and still seems to happen when i press the cancel button twice while in combat |
| 17:18.40 | znf | there's a lot of CoS groups |
| 17:18.44 | znf | but I have a weird problem |
| 17:18.49 | znf | I can't make that initial jump |
| 17:19.10 | znf | to skip that guardian |
| 17:19.12 | nevcairiel | what jump |
| 17:19.20 | nevcairiel | through the canal? |
| 17:19.21 | znf | you know people avoid the first bridge by jumping |
| 17:19.22 | znf | yeah |
| 17:19.29 | nevcairiel | what are you, half a gnome? =P |
| 17:19.37 | znf | I've no idea if it's because my undead female model |
| 17:19.55 | nevcairiel | i'm sure its just you |
| 17:20.02 | nevcairiel | try mounted then :p |
| 17:20.06 | znf | I did, same shit |
| 17:21.00 | znf | gonna go try to do that solo |
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| 17:21.13 | nevcairiel | you can probably go try in the outdoor version |
| 17:21.39 | nevcairiel | but i've literally not seen people fail that, and some in my guild are really bad at jumping things |
| 17:22.47 | znf | I can do the jump in the outdoor portion |
| 17:23.16 | znf | version, I mean |
| 17:24.02 | foxlit | Ketho: I don't actually think anything has changed in 7.x, but the reason I ask is that I tried to get it to occur a few days ago, and no amount of cancel-button-clicking would do anything. |
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| 17:27.24 | znf | and ofc the first time I try, I get the jump |
| 17:27.37 | znf | but from side to side |
| 17:27.42 | znf | I still can't make the jump from the water |
| 17:27.45 | mckenziemc | jumps znf. |
| 17:28.26 | foxlit | can't you just pull the bridge construct instead of the other one and walk over normally? |
| 17:29.06 | nevcairiel | you dont necessarily have to pull the other one either, but the path is better if you do |
| 17:29.12 | nevcairiel | have to do all these humanoid packs otherwise |
| 17:29.53 | nevcairiel | just get a toy to transform you into some other race, maybe it works then =p |
| 17:30.20 | nevcairiel | in volcanic weeks i try to transform my big bear ass so i can see potential volcanos better |
| 17:31.19 | znf | https://gfycat.com/ReliableMessyEstuarinecrocodile |
| 17:33.35 | foxlit | walk up to the wall and jump. |
| 17:34.15 | nevcairiel | i wonder if i have a undead transform toy |
| 17:34.16 | znf | tried that too |
| 17:34.38 | foxlit | (or at least that's what I tend to do; jumping form a distance seems dodgy) |
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| 17:35.25 | nevcairiel | yeah that works for me reliably |
| 17:35.30 | nevcairiel | just walk agains the wall and jump |
| 17:35.50 | znf | that doesn't work... |
| 17:36.13 | Hazal | Hey guys, is there a way to get the name of the owner of a pet from the combatlog? |
| 17:36.24 | znf | https://gfycat.com/WhimsicalHonestCooter |
| 17:36.57 | mckenziemc | half-gnome confirmed |
| 17:36.59 | kullervo | Hazal, look at BadPet |
| 17:37.42 | znf | funny thing is |
| 17:37.42 | Hazal | I'll give it a look, thanks kullervo |
| 17:37.45 | znf | on the left side I can jump |
| 17:37.48 | znf | I can't do it on the right |
| 17:38.24 | nevcairiel | i managed to transform me into a female undead and i can still make the jump |
| 17:38.34 | foxlit | alternatively, get someone with a vehicle mount to hoist you up |
| 17:39.09 | znf | yeah, that's what I usually do, but pugs are not exactly happy to do that |
| 17:41.53 | nevcairiel | should find some other female undead and ask |
| 17:41.57 | nevcairiel | i still doubt its a generic problem |
| 17:42.37 | foxlit | might be affected by movement speed |
| 17:42.56 | Semlar | jump over the other side mount up and jump across |
| 17:43.23 | znf | I pulled half the instance doing that now :D |
| 17:44.20 | znf | see? proof that I'm not a complete retard https://gfycat.com/FirmFluffyGannet |
| 17:44.59 | foxlit | i wonder if swapblaster works |
| 17:45.24 | Semlar | they've nerfed all the fun out of the swapblaster |
| 17:46.29 | Ketho | foxlit: I can repro it https://gfycat.com/LeafyThickAegeancat but when I go to the addon's panel I can |
| 17:46.34 | Semlar | also transforming into a different model doesn't actually change your original hitbox |
| 17:46.35 | Ketho | ...'t get it to taint |
| 17:46.54 | znf | yeah, I had that suspicion, Semlar |
| 17:47.01 | nevcairiel | Semlar: doors would disagree |
| 17:47.03 | Semlar | my friend couldn't get to a treasure back in WoD because they were a tauren and using a toy didn't help |
| 17:47.36 | znf | Undead males don't have the issue (if there is an issue) |
| 17:47.46 | znf | I couldn't find any other undead female to test |
| 17:48.01 | Semlar | you'd think levitate would be the same as jumping |
| 17:49.51 | znf | granted, the left-side jump is not a 100% hit rate for me |
| 17:49.56 | znf | but still |
| 17:50.11 | foxlit | well, that at least explains why it didn't break for me; was testing against an addon-opened panel. |
| 17:50.48 | znf | I'm gonna go try on my tauren druid |
| 17:50.52 | znf | oh wait |
| 17:50.59 | znf | do I still need attunement? |
| 17:51.05 | znf | they made that account wide, right? |
| 17:51.32 | nevcairiel | yes its account wide |
| 17:51.52 | znf | I bet I can make the jump most of the time as a big cow |
| 17:52.05 | Semlar | everyone knows undead females can't jump |
| 17:54.56 | nevcairiel | rotted leg muscles? |
| 17:56.20 | Thunder_Child | Is that the zombie remake of "white men can't jump"? |
| 17:56.33 | znf | crap, no progress in suramar on my druid |
| 18:01.21 | znf | obviously |
| 18:01.25 | znf | big cow jumps just fine |
| 18:01.41 | Semlar | cows are built for jumping |
| 18:02.19 | znf | 0 effort required |
| 18:02.30 | Ketho | Semlar when are you releasing tooltipplates? it'd be great for putting in boss abilities or for RP when you walk into goldshire inn |
| 18:03.14 | znf | https://gfycat.com/BrightBountifulBorzoi |
| 18:03.19 | znf | see? not a retard! |
| 18:03.48 | Semlar | should have been a tauren priest |
| 18:04.46 | znf | like, absolutely 0 effort as a druid |
| 18:04.56 | znf | I can even do it backwards |
| 18:05.01 | Semlar | now you're just showing off |
| 18:05.03 | znf | with my back to the wall |
| 18:05.16 | znf | EVEN IN CAT FORM |
| 18:05.28 | Semlar | well of course cats can jump |
| 18:05.43 | Semlar | they have a move called leap |
| 18:05.45 | znf | I tell you there's something wrong with the undead female model |
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| 18:06.28 | Semlar | the fact that it's not normalized between all of the races is ridiculous |
| 18:06.30 | znf | and Semlar was correct about the hitbox change, or, rather, no hitbox change when you use a toy |
| 18:08.09 | znf | using the night elf disguise has no effect on my jump ability when on my druid |
| 18:08.14 | Semlar | there's a treasure chest in the ogre tower thing in the frosty zone in WoD that you can't loot at a tauren because it has a crate above it and when you try to jump up there you hit your head and fall down |
| 18:08.34 | Semlar | at/as |
| 18:08.50 | znf | _ZERO FUCKING EFFORT_ |
| 18:08.52 | znf | now I'm pissed |
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| 18:09.06 | znf | I actually hoped there was something wrong with me not being able to do the jump |
| 18:09.31 | Semlar | gamon will save you |
| 18:09.48 | Semlar | just kidding |
| 18:09.54 | znf | oh |
| 18:09.55 | znf | gamon toy |
| 18:10.05 | mckenziemc | overwrites Semlar. |
| 18:10.07 | Semlar | i'm sure it won't work |
| 18:11.04 | znf | what's the gamon toy called? |
| 18:11.09 | Semlar | gamon's braid |
| 18:11.13 | znf | thx |
| 18:11.54 | Semlar | or mr smite |
| 18:13.09 | Semlar | the funny thing is i think your forms have the same hitbox as your humanoid form as a druid |
| 18:13.12 | znf | *smashes computer* |
| 18:13.26 | Semlar | and the female model is taller than the male one |
| 18:14.11 | Semlar | i had a female druid and there was something i couldn't run under and shifting into cat form didn't help |
| 18:14.36 | Semlar | but my male tauren friend could walk under it just fine |
| 18:15.04 | znf | there is ONE specific point where I can reliably make the jump |
| 18:15.17 | Semlar | just don't fall into it |
| 18:15.34 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/3BqGVCh.png |
| 18:15.51 | znf | that's where I can make the jump with ease, as being a tauren, for example |
| 18:16.25 | Semlar | i'm pretty sure they design these to be just the right height to torment people |
| 18:16.47 | Semlar | they must spend hours on it |
| 18:16.56 | znf | I swear the female undead model is the only one that bashes it's head on that block |
| 18:23.15 | mckenziemc | it's its, znf |
| 18:23.24 | znf | wat |
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| 18:28.01 | znf | let's see https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5unqvr/female_undead_i_need_your_help/ |
| 18:28.10 | znf | maybe there's one damn undead female which can replicate this |
| 18:31.34 | mckenziemc | my female undead is 85 |
| 18:32.26 | znf | :( |
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| 18:33.21 | VIad | Semlar: can you get a unit based on role? like raid tank? :( |
| 18:33.30 | VIad | bet I gotta iterate the roster |
| 18:33.41 | Semlar | iterate |
| 18:34.06 | mckenziemc | also since when has znufflessd been female |
| 18:34.33 | znf | always? |
| 18:34.38 | znf | since I made her? |
| 18:35.07 | mckenziemc | o.o |
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| 18:42.27 | znf | well, this wasn't a complete time-waster |
| 18:42.32 | znf | I guess I can jump on the left |
| 18:42.49 | znf | and try my best to keep right |
| 18:45.46 | VIad | Semlar: think UnitIsUnit("Bob-Realm", "target") works? |
| 18:46.05 | Semlar | if they're in your group |
| 18:46.09 | VIad | ye |
| 18:46.16 | VIad | its guldan reminder :p |
| 18:47.15 | znf | pft |
| 18:47.17 | znf | 2 downvotes |
| 18:47.20 | znf | sons of bitches |
| 18:47.29 | znf | like, who downvotes that... |
| 18:47.31 | VIad | znf: where? |
| 18:47.36 | znf | on reddit |
| 18:47.40 | VIad | oh :'( |
| 18:47.42 | VIad | lemme upvote |
| 18:47.48 | znf | I had 6 upvotes! |
| 18:48.00 | znf | and now 2 downvotes have appeared! :( |
| 18:51.12 | Semlar | the points are made up |
| 18:51.52 | Seerah | "Welcome to Who's Line Is It Anyway?", where the rules are made up, and the points don't matter." |
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| 19:06.35 | znf | I joined a Nighthold pug |
| 19:06.36 | znf | 10 mages |
| 19:09.14 | VIad | Semlar: do you know how I can detect if a ress worked or not? http://www.wowhead.com/spell=164729/defibrillate#comments |
| 19:09.37 | Semlar | you might be able to check for a pending resurrection |
| 19:09.43 | VIad | hmm |
| 19:09.53 | Semlar | there's an api to show whether someone is waiting to accept a rez |
| 19:11.17 | Semlar | UnitHasIncomingResurrection(unit) |
| 19:11.36 | VIad | wonder how long I gotta wait after using my ress for the api to return valid data |
| 19:11.51 | Semlar | although that might actually be to check if someone is casting a rez on them |
| 19:18.40 | netameta_ | VIad, Hey, you asked if i read docs, Ah yea, i read the implementation several times, in the part you linked there isnt a way to disable the list |
| 19:25.32 | VIad | I thought you wanna disable ONE item in the list :) |
| 19:25.36 | VIad | like inside the dropdown |
| 19:25.40 | VIad | info.disabled = true should be the way to go |
| 19:32.09 | Andols2 | Semlar: I think that returns true if there is a pending ress OR someone is casting a ress |
| 19:32.41 | Andols2 | If that is what triggers the icon in Blizzard raid frames |
| 19:33.27 | Semlar | i think it is, but i don't know if that actually gets triggered when you rez someone with the jumper cables |
| 19:33.48 | Fisker | I should hey Seerah |
| 19:34.04 | Seerah | I should hey Fisker back |
| 19:34.22 | Fisker | Not necessarily but I appreciate the gesture |
| 19:34.25 | Fisker | <3 |
| 19:34.36 | Andols2 | It does not trigger even casting a mass ress |
| 19:34.55 | Andols2 | s/even/when/ |
| 19:35.15 | Andols2 | It worked :o |
| 19:36.53 | znf | uhm |
| 19:36.54 | znf | http://i.imgur.com/THwIJk5.png |
| 19:37.26 | znf | how was I not aware it has wings? |
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| 19:39.34 | Semlar | redbull would be a good name for a tauren |
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| 20:04.36 | mckenziemc | bad if you consider how many servers it and variants are already taken on |
| 20:07.17 | mckenziemc | anti-heys Fisker. |
| 20:27.27 | znf | https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/5unqvr/female_undead_i_need_your_help/ddvk5ts/ |
| 20:27.34 | znf | I AM NOT CRAZY!!! |
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| 21:04.00 | mckenziemc | or there are two crazies |
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| 21:17.38 | Semlar | you could still be crazy |
| 21:25.35 | Kinesia | I'm feeling crazy... I'm robocopy /MIR my Warcraft install to a backup, but somehow battlenet thinks it's consistently breaking and is repairing it. But it shouldn't be being touched... |
| 22:06.03 | Semlar | maybe it's locking the files while it's copying them and the game can't access them and starts panicking |
| 22:06.05 | Alram | battle.net doesnt like files getting locked |
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| 22:39.23 | Semlar | should i be worried about one of my hard drives occasionally not being detected |
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| 22:48.13 | Gethe | TheDanW: With windows XP/Vista being dropped, is this a step towards dropping 32bit? |
| 22:55.50 | Kinesia | Ah, interesting, thanks |
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| 22:56.43 | kullervo | in licensing, what's the word for something that's based on something else |
| 22:57.13 | Gethe | a derivative work |
| 22:57.24 | Gethe | iirc |
| 22:57.24 | kullervo | thanks, I completely forgot the word in every language |
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| 23:05.55 | znf | Gethe, doubt it |
| 23:06.07 | znf | doubt that they'll drop 32bit |
| 23:06.15 | znf | 32bit is here to stay for at least 10 years, imho |
| 23:08.11 | Gethe | maybe, but MS has been nudging people toward 64bit since vista |
| 23:10.28 | TheDanW | Gethe: we can only hope |
| 23:10.48 | Gethe | <3 |
| 23:12.48 | Kinesia | Heh. At might work we've still been building the 32 bit stuff but only testing 64, we're about to stop even building it. |
| 23:14.29 | znf | killing 32bit support is the easiest way to terminate a lot of wow bots |
| 23:19.52 | Kinesia | ~purl s/might/my/ |
| 23:19.59 | Kinesia | hmm, don't know syntax |
| 23:20.18 | kullervo | sntax |
| 23:20.21 | kullervo | s/sntax/syntax/ |
| 23:20.37 | Kinesia | s/might/my/ |
| 23:20.44 | Kinesia | too slow! |
| 23:20.57 | tz | terminate the bots for a few days, probably |
| 23:22.24 | znf | tz, not really |
| 23:24.17 | tz | depends on whether they've got any decent RE'ing people |
| 23:24.37 | tz | arguably the x64 abi is easier to deal with than x32 |
| 23:25.13 | tz | in all honesty I'm surprised the bot makers haven't already swapped, complacency perhaps? |
| 23:25.24 | tz | shrugs |
| 23:26.11 | tz | was super happy when we migrated from x32 to x64 at my old work, meant things we had to do for regulatory purposes were easier to implement |
| 23:26.17 | tz | slot machines ftw |
| 23:27.31 | znf | I'm not sure if I'm correct, as I don't really dabble in reverse engineering |
| 23:28.17 | znf | but the basic reverse engineering that most bots are based on comes from some wow.exe's that have leaked unobfuscated or something like that |
| 23:28.20 | znf | those were 32bit |
| 23:28.32 | tz | that makes sense I guess |
| 23:28.35 | znf | ofc, I could be talking crap, because I have no idea about reverse engineering |
| 23:28.44 | tz | I *hope* they weren't accompanied by pdb's, lol |
| 23:30.05 | znf | "Release Assertions"? |
| 23:30.12 | znf | does that make any sense? |
| 23:30.34 | tz | debug logging most likely |
| 23:30.34 | znf | also, apparently there was some alpha which leaked the PDB, eons ago |
| 23:32.47 | tz | oopsies, lol |
| 23:33.07 | [TOM_RUS] | latest useful leak was WoD Internal OSX x64 Binary build 6.0.1.18179 |
| 23:33.24 | tz | it's one of the big things I bitch about at my current job, people forget to rip out pdb's when making a new installer project |
| 23:33.49 | tz | hmm, nonstripped binary I'm guessing? |
| 23:34.35 | znf | ^ tom knows his shit :P |
| 23:37.00 | Alram | (most of the time) |
| 23:37.25 | [TOM_RUS] | tz, yes, but unlike previous OSX leaks it had dev/gm stuff as well |
| 23:37.46 | tz | interesting |
| 23:37.51 | Alram | yeah that was a pretty big cockup that is unlikely to happen again |
| 23:38.19 | tz | that's a "fix the fucking process or heads will roll" kinda problem ;) |
| 23:38.57 | Alram | well, seeing the only files purged from all blizzard CDNs are files from that build (and one other build), yeah.. |
| 23:45.57 | znf | ok, reddit has positively confirmed that I'm not crazy for not being able to make that jum |
| 23:46.25 | Thunder_Child | p |
| 23:48.38 | znf | the P jumped |
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| 23:51.35 | tz | yikes, that's a fair whack of info |
